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Halloween Week: Tromp Family Mystery · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. It's really hard to
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Speaker 1: explain or put a word on it. But they were
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Speaker 1: just fearing for their lives and then they decided to flee.
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Speaker 1: These other words spoken from a young man when asked
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Speaker 1: why his family suddenly fled their home in Australia, and
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Speaker 1: they are words of utter confusion. Ladies, gentlemen, Vays and dams,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the fifth episode of the third annual Halloween
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Speaker 1: Week with Wicked and Grim. My name is Jacko and
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Speaker 1: it is my duty to be your master of ceremonies
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Speaker 1: for the remaining three days now. Running in fear is
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Speaker 1: not a new concept for the human race. No. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it is a tactic that is instilled very deep in
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Speaker 1: the blood of your ancestors. In the midst of fear,
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Speaker 1: it has evolved into an almost reflex for humans to
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Speaker 1: run and flee. The only problem is in the case today,
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Speaker 1: the Trump family were running in fear, but they had
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Speaker 1: no idea what it was they were running from or
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Speaker 1: being so fearful of. Ladies and gentlemen, theys and thems.
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Speaker 1: Let me pass you to your ever so distinctinguished hosts
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Speaker 1: Ben and Nicole for the full details.
2:07
Speaker 2: How is this already Episode five.
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Speaker 3: I have no idea.
2:12
Speaker 2: Time is flying.
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Speaker 3: Time flies when you're having fun too, che I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, Halloween week is pretty much the best time of year,
2:20
Speaker 2: so of course it's going to go by it pretty quick. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's just Halloween. How is it that? That's pretty much
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Speaker 2: all that's on my mind right now. I don't really
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Speaker 2: have anything else that's talk about. I was just like,
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Speaker 2: Halloween's like, really, it's almost here. But I do want
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Speaker 2: to say I got the final piece to my Halloween
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Speaker 2: costume today.
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Speaker 1: You did.
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Speaker 3: I am pumped that you actually were able to find it.
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Speaker 2: And it looks phenomenal, phenomenal. WHOA, Sure, I look exactly
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Speaker 2: like what I'm trying, but you're supposed to exactly like.
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Speaker 2: I mean, like if I were standing next to the
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Speaker 2: thing I'm dressing up as, and then it's me dressed up,
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to all the difference.
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Speaker 3: Oh boy, I am. I still need to get one thing,
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Speaker 3: but I have some time because it won't be hard
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Speaker 3: to find, No, it won't.
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Speaker 2: It'll be super easy for you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am just need to show it out that
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Speaker 3: I am drinking a margarita and this is just like
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Speaker 3: a pre mixed margarita that you can buy from the store,
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Speaker 3: and it's actually like fan freakin.
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Speaker 2: Pastic, but not as good as a margarita that I
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Speaker 2: make right now, because I make damn good margarita.
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Speaker 3: You do.
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Speaker 2: I've said it before and I'll say it again. The
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Speaker 2: key to a good margarita is minute made limeade mix.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. Well, yeah, because you can buy that
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Speaker 3: other like frozen concentrate. That's specific for margarita. It's shit,
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Speaker 3: It's really shitty, terrible. Just get limeade and limaid is
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Speaker 3: like way cheaper too, mm.
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Speaker 2: Hm, way cheaper and way better. Yeah. I have had
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Speaker 2: a couple people actually send us pictures of not drinking margarita's.
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Speaker 2: We have gotten a margarita picture because we asked for
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Speaker 2: that early on, but we have had people sending us
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Speaker 2: pictures of drinks, being like, hey, I'm at work, you
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Speaker 2: can't drink that, or I don't drink or this is
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Speaker 2: my drinking choice. That's totally cool. We have some photos
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Speaker 2: being sent in, so I'm stoked to post some of those.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I where have I been because I haven't well,
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Speaker 3: I guess I know. I've been at a wedding.
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Speaker 2: So today anyway, Well, you've been I've been kind of
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Speaker 2: taking care of the social media at least few days.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been a little swamped.
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Speaker 2: I think most of them are coming in from like
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Speaker 2: being tagged or stories people putting.
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Speaker 3: In Hey okay, very cool.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've been taking screenshots.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, just have a bevery bevy. It
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Speaker 3: could be a hot chocolate, it could be a tea,
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Speaker 3: it could be coffee, it could be lemonade.
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Speaker 2: Could be margarita.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever you want, whatever floats your boat around here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Just on Halloween, that'll be the last day. We're
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Speaker 2: gonna be taking photos of pictures of people who are
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Speaker 2: tagging us in their drink picks, and we're gonna post
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Speaker 2: in a colage. So make sure you get us tagged
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Speaker 2: in your Instagram pic.
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Speaker 3: That's super fun with your drink. Yeah, that's super fun.
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Speaker 2: Super fun, super fun.
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Speaker 3: It's super funny. Wow, that was just me not thinking going.
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Speaker 2: I just stopped to see where you were going to
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Speaker 2: go because.
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Speaker 3: That was funny. Where would you have gone?
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Speaker 2: I don't know, because I was like, it's funny. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't really work, but I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Well, at least I said I had something.
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Speaker 2: Touche touche points for doing it, committing. I committed, you did,
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Speaker 2: So you're ready for this case today?
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Speaker 3: Actually yes, because we don't actually go over to Australia
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Speaker 3: very often. We don't, so I'm pumped.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we're gonna go over there today in
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Speaker 2: the story, not physically. I wish we could go.
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Speaker 3: Over the Oh yeah, that would be amazing.
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Speaker 2: Isn't there This might be speaking out of ignorance, but
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Speaker 2: isn't there summer like in our winter months, So it's
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Speaker 2: like swapped the seasons.
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Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think so.
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 3: But then they don't get like as harsh as winters
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Speaker 3: as us.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, they don't mean who does bucket? They're
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Speaker 2: they're like they're warmer days, their sunny days. They're long days.
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Speaker 2: It's like it's win ours or shit. So now that
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Speaker 2: ours is days are getting short and it's getting cold,
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Speaker 2: like minus thirteen celsius this morning. I could use some
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Speaker 2: Australian warmth in my life right now.
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Speaker 3: I know my prompt right now for like my photo sessions,
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Speaker 3: because it's freezing out. I'm like, just imagine you're on
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Speaker 3: the beach. I'll postly warm, and everyone's like, oh, I wish.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's like to live in Canada for
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Speaker 2: about like, I don't know, great nine months of the year.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 3: No, No, it's not cold nine months of the year.
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Speaker 2: Well no, but you're wishing you were somewhere warmer for
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Speaker 2: nine months of the year.
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Speaker 3: Wishing that you were someone somewhere else for nine months
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Speaker 3: of the year when you live in Canada. That actually
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Speaker 3: sounds terrible.
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Speaker 2: Just warmer, Okay, that's all I said. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: somewhere else, just warmer or wishing it was warmer here,
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Speaker 2: you know, not just slandrizing, slanderizing a word it is now,
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Speaker 2: I'm not slanderizing Canada.
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Speaker 3: Slandering I don't know. Anyway, let's let's rock and roll here.
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Speaker 2: Let's do it. This case has been on my radar
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Speaker 2: for quite some time, and I wasn't quite sure how
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Speaker 2: to approach it because it's very different. But Halloween week
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Speaker 2: is the perfect time for it because there's not really
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Speaker 2: a crime that occurs per se. It's just very strange,
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Speaker 2: very bizarre and kind of creepy.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so interesting.
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Speaker 2: With that being said, this is the story of the
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Speaker 2: Trump family and how they fled their home.
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Speaker 3: The Trump family Trump t r M p Okay okay, okay, okay.
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Speaker 2: So by all accounts, this whole family, like the Trump family,
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Speaker 2: they're they're a normal family, right. It's just like, you know,
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Speaker 2: your average, everyday, hard working type people. The father, Mark
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Speaker 2: was fifty one years old. The mother, Jacoba or Kobe
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Speaker 2: sorry I'm Cody as she was called, was fifty three.
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Speaker 2: Together they ran a successful red current farm, like the
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Speaker 2: red current berries. Okay, So they ran a successful red
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Speaker 2: current farm on their eighteen acre property.
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Speaker 3: Nice.
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Speaker 2: So they had three children together, Rihanna who's twenty nine,
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Speaker 2: Mitchell who was twenty five, and Ella who was twenty two.
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Speaker 2: All three of these children of theirs work together hard,
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Speaker 2: mind you, on their family farm together on the farm
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Speaker 2: that was called Parkview Farm. And their property and where
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Speaker 2: they lived was in Sylvan, which was just in the
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Speaker 2: outskirts of the Victorian capital Melbourne, in of course Australia. Okay,
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Speaker 2: just kind of your you know, your blue collar, hardworking family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm impressed that all three kids wanted to continue
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Speaker 3: working on the farm because I feel like sometimes when
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Speaker 3: you're brought up with like a family business. When you're
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Speaker 3: of age, you're like, f that, I don't want to
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Speaker 3: work for that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you want to go do your own thing,
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Speaker 2: which I can coluely respect.
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Speaker 3: I can told like, I'm not bashing that at any means,
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Speaker 3: but I'm honestly also impressed that all three of them
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Speaker 3: are still involved's that's impressive.
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Speaker 2: Yeah to touche, But yeah, they were all there. They
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Speaker 2: all were described by neighbors as workaholics and devoted to
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Speaker 2: the farm. And Nicole just downed her mark Ry.
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Speaker 3: Well, no, I just actually spilt my margarita all over myself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was bottom up, like the bottom of
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Speaker 2: that cup was facing the ceiling. Make it's down the mice.
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Speaker 3: I can't really even drink it anyway. Sorry, what did
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Speaker 3: you just say?
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Speaker 2: You downed your market? Right before that, the neighbors described
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Speaker 2: the family as workaholics and devoted to the farm.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I like a good workaholic.
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Speaker 2: Kay. So their lives went on each day with hard work,
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Speaker 2: and on Monday, August twenty ninth of twenty sixteen, it
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Speaker 2: should have been a day just like that, hard work,
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Speaker 2: just like any other day, by all accounts, but it wasn't.
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Speaker 2: A day just like any other day. Instead, it was
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Speaker 2: a day that seemed to be filled with panic, fear,
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Speaker 2: and absolute paranoia. The entire family inexplicably left their farm
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Speaker 2: when little warning, got into their car and headed north.
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Speaker 2: So family members of the Trumps generally were you know,
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Speaker 2: easily able to get a hold of the family, the
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Speaker 2: parents however, you know, with this being much of a
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Speaker 2: different day, they tried phoning, messaging, there was no answer,
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Speaker 2: and they quickly became worried about not being able to
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Speaker 2: contact them, and they phoned the police for a wellness
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Speaker 2: check the day after.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: So the authorities would arrive on the Trump property to
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Speaker 2: look into, you know, the wellness check and what's going on.
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Speaker 2: And when they got there, it appeared as though the
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Speaker 2: family left in an absolute hurry, almost like they were
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Speaker 2: running from something or potentially someone.
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Speaker 3: Shit.
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Speaker 2: So in the mess of the home, police were able
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Speaker 2: to surmise that it seemed like they were looking for
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Speaker 2: something inside their files or their financial records. So, mind you,
10:53
Speaker 2: they own this business, right, so I'm assuming they got
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Speaker 2: quite a bit of records and papers, right. A lot
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Speaker 2: of these papers were found spread out in inside the
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Speaker 2: home rather neatly, mind you, in like little piles here
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Speaker 2: and there, almost like it's being pulled out of folders
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Speaker 2: and kind of sorted through.
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Speaker 3: Interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like they're trying to find
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Speaker 2: like maybe a particular document or something like that.
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Speaker 3: It seemed like, maybe, huh, okay, that's really bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this wasn't all though. It seemed like the family,
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, had left behind some valuables, which indicated
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Speaker 2: to authorities that they did in fact leave in a hurry.
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Speaker 2: The valuables they did leave behind were passports, credit cards,
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Speaker 2: and cell phones, all of these which were still in
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Speaker 2: the home, and things like this are they're generally not
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Speaker 2: what people leave behind if they're like yeah, kind of
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Speaker 2: up and leave, Like if you're trying to get away
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Speaker 2: from someone or something, usually you're going to have a
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Speaker 2: passport to try and maybe get on a flight, leave
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Speaker 2: the country. You're gonna want a credit card because you
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Speaker 2: can need money to get somewhere, buy things a hotel, room, food, whatever,
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Speaker 2: cell phone for communication, right.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I feel like the most bizarre one out
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Speaker 3: of that is your cell phone.
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Speaker 2: Not because of these items being left behind, it also
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Speaker 2: seemed like they were wanted to wanting to be untraceable. Okay,
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Speaker 2: no cell phone towers means no cell phone pings. No
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Speaker 2: credit cards means no payment records to be traced back on,
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Speaker 2: you know, especially if they are going on a cash
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Speaker 2: only trip. You know they can just pay cash, no
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Speaker 2: paper trips.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, did these or oh this might be jumping ahead,
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Speaker 3: but did these their kids like have spouses of sorts?
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Speaker 2: As far as I'm aware, No.
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Speaker 3: They didn't.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so pretty much the authorities were left just
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Speaker 2: dumbfouted scratching their heads at this point. The family members were,
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Speaker 2: of course concerns for the loved ones and their safety,
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Speaker 2: but they too were just left stump without any indication
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Speaker 2: of what happened. They were just like what the fuck?
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Speaker 2: Except there was one thing they realized that would help
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Speaker 2: them out. Not all the cell phones were missing. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: we're at home.
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Speaker 3: One of them was missing, Okay, see because my thought
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Speaker 3: right now, for some reasons, I'm going with like that
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Speaker 3: they were taken. But keep going, because I'm like, I'm
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Speaker 3: really intrigued here.
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Speaker 2: One of the family vehicles was gone as well, so
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Speaker 2: it seemed like they took that family vehicle.
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Speaker 3: Okay, and one person's cell phone was gone.
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Speaker 2: One person's cell phone was missing. Okay, So meanwhile, the
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Speaker 2: day before the police arrived at the home, we're going
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Speaker 2: to start looking at this from the family's point of view. Here,
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Speaker 2: the family up and left the home. They hit the road.
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Speaker 2: They were not taken. They willingly left in their family
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Speaker 2: vehicle and for the Trumps had started leaving the house
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Speaker 2: in a hurry, exactly as it seemed. They hit the
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Speaker 2: road and they were driving north to New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: There was a bit of a problem. This wasn't just
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Speaker 2: a road trip. They were fleeing. They were running. They
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Speaker 2: weren't just like, hey, let's just up and leave and
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Speaker 2: forgot some stuff. No, they were running from something. But
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Speaker 2: they didn't exactly know what they were running from or why.
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Speaker 2: All they knew is that they had a strong feeling
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Speaker 2: that someone was watching them or even possibly coming for them.
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Speaker 3: So the family themselves didn't exactly know what they were
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Speaker 3: running from. You mean, correct, what the shit?
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Speaker 2: Correct? What? So now they're on the road with fear
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Speaker 2: chasing them as they drove, and it was only about
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Speaker 2: thirty two kilometers into the trip that Mitchell's cell phone
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Speaker 2: would be discovered in the family car and was subsequently
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Speaker 2: hurled out the window, where police would find it on
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Speaker 2: the side of the road.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: Yep. So Mitchell was the middle child, the son of
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Speaker 2: the family, and he was least convinced of any of
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Speaker 2: this paranoia or fear that was kind of shrouding over
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Speaker 2: the remainder of the family like a heavy dark cloud
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Speaker 2: sort of situation. He wasn't concerned of anyone tracking them
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Speaker 2: via his cell phone signal, but unfortunately the other members
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Speaker 2: of the family disagreed, so out the window his phone goes.
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Speaker 2: Now the next day, Tuesday, August thirtieth, Mitchell decided he
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Speaker 2: had enough. He's like, I don't know what we're running from.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on here. And when the
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Speaker 2: family reached Bathurst in New South Wales at around seven am,
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Speaker 2: he decided to abandon the frenzy and escape the road
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Speaker 2: trip and head back home. So he left his family
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Speaker 2: to head back home at seven am.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is wild.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just getting started.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of like a big deal just to like
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Speaker 3: up and leave. Yeah, like it would have to be
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Speaker 3: pretty big.
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Speaker 2: Well, think of it this way, in my opinion, like
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Speaker 2: your family, clearly your close knit. Right, you're working together
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Speaker 2: day in day out on this family business, like you
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Speaker 2: guys are. You have to be together in some way,
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Speaker 2: shape or form, even if you don't necessarily get along,
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Speaker 2: there has to be some sort of relationship there where
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Speaker 2: you guys are close.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, and now at this point at the east, some
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Speaker 2: of your family is terrified of something that there's up
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Speaker 2: and running and everyone's calling or hauling in the car together,
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Speaker 2: and you make the decision, Fuck it, I'm not running.
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Speaker 2: You guys go ahead and run if you want, but
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Speaker 2: I'm heading back home.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't mean necessarily him, but I mean, like
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Speaker 3: them all just leaving. But yeah, maybe he's like the
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Speaker 3: black sheep of the family.
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Speaker 2: Who knows. Now. Without Mitchell in tow, the family continued
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Speaker 2: their road trip to escape who knows what. A short
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Speaker 2: time later and the rest of the family would arrive.
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to try and say this right Jenolan Caves,
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Speaker 2: which is a popular popular tourist attraction in the area
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Speaker 2: near the Blue Mountains. The two sisters, Ella and Rihanna,
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Speaker 2: presumably unable to convince their parents to end the apparent
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Speaker 2: escape as well, decided to follow their brother's action and
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Speaker 2: head back home too.
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 2: Yes. So now the two girls on their own, they
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Speaker 2: came up with a plan of action to get themselves
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Speaker 2: back home. Now I'm not having a family vehicle. They
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Speaker 2: decided to steal a car together, okay, in which they did,
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Speaker 2: and then hit the road and made it to a
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Speaker 2: town just south of Goldburn.
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Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say there were hitchhiking,
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Speaker 3: which was going to alarm me more, which I don't know.
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Speaker 2: They just straight up stole a vehicle. That's just grand
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Speaker 2: theft auto right there, that is.
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Speaker 3: But also hitchhiking is terrifying too. But I was going
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Speaker 3: to say it's not illegal, but actually I think it
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Speaker 3: might be illegal. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: I think it's illegal in most places nowadays. Yeah, yeah,
17:31
Speaker 2: but yeah, here in Goldburn, for an unknown reason, the
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Speaker 2: two girls went their separate ways in this town. So
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Speaker 2: now we have the sun out on his own, the
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Speaker 2: two girls out on their own, and the parents now together.
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Speaker 2: So we have four separate parties.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the family's just completely divided.
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Speaker 2: Yes. So Ella continued to drive the stolen car back
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Speaker 2: where she would be the first one to arrive back home,
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Speaker 2: and she found herself face to face with some very
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Speaker 2: concerned and confused officers at their farm. I can't imagine
18:05
Speaker 2: how that conversation would have gone.
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Speaker 3: Wait, you just roll up in the stolen vehicle.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Yeah, what's up? Hey? What's up? My parents fled
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Speaker 2: and are terrified. I stole a car, came back home.
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Speaker 2: My siblings are somewhere on the road. I have no
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Speaker 2: idea where. Oh when you're looking for us because we're
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Speaker 2: apparently missing. Hi.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't really know actually why we fled? Yeah,
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Speaker 3: how can I help you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? That's honestly, that's pretty much what happened though. Wow,
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Speaker 2: when she arrived, that's basically what what happened. The police
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Speaker 2: are like, what's going on? What do you say that?
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Speaker 2: That's it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't even actually know how you would handle that,
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Speaker 3: like them getting that response, you know, like it doesn't
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Speaker 3: make any sense the officers. Yeah, you would wonder if
18:48
Speaker 3: if like she's okay, because it just makes zero sense.
18:54
Speaker 2: What do you mean if she's okay? I want you
18:56
Speaker 2: to expand on that, well, because there's something to that.
19:01
Speaker 3: Like is she is she mentally okay? Or is she
19:07
Speaker 3: kind of hiding something because she's scared?
19:11
Speaker 2: Okay?
19:12
Speaker 3: Fair enough would be my two thoughts.
19:14
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Well, mental stability and capacity and health is
19:20
Speaker 2: all a very big, big topic on this case. Oh okay,
19:27
Speaker 2: very much so, so keep that in mind as we continue.
19:30
Speaker 3: Forward, which is actually very alarming. Well, I mean, I'm
19:32
Speaker 3: gonna we'll hear more about it, but gosh, if the
19:35
Speaker 3: parents were mentally unstable and then they went about just
19:39
Speaker 3: fleeing their life, that's terrifle.
19:41
Speaker 2: Well it's not like they're like mentally and well, I
19:44
Speaker 2: don't know, it depends what you mean by unstable, but
19:45
Speaker 2: it's just mental health is a very big thing with
19:47
Speaker 2: this case. It's just clearly something is going on. And yeah, huh. Anyways,
19:55
Speaker 2: the other sister though, the one who is not at home,
19:59
Speaker 2: so Rihanna, on the other hand, she was found later
20:03
Speaker 2: that same afternoon. She was found in the back seat
20:05
Speaker 2: of a stranger's vehicle. Apparently she attempted to be a
20:12
Speaker 2: stowaway in someone's vehicle and hitch a ride somewhere, so
20:15
Speaker 2: when the driver wasn't looking, or whether she broke into
20:18
Speaker 2: the vehicle, that's unclear, but she crawled in at some
20:20
Speaker 2: point and the driver was manned by the name of
20:23
Speaker 2: excuse me, Keith Whittaker now he was driving mining his
20:28
Speaker 2: own business when suddenly he felt a kick on the
20:30
Speaker 2: back of his seat. And I have a quote directly
20:34
Speaker 2: from Keith here quote. I turned around and saw two
20:38
Speaker 2: legs stretched across my back seat, between my seat and
20:41
Speaker 2: the floor. She was lying on the floor. I got
20:44
Speaker 2: an extreme shock. Yeah, rightfully, someone's just sitting there, chilling,
20:48
Speaker 2: laying on the floor of your vehicle. What the fuck?
20:50
Speaker 3: I'd be like, the fuck? Yeah, you do one.
20:54
Speaker 2: So as if this case basically can't get odd enough.
20:57
Speaker 2: When this man found Rihanna, he described her as quote, catatonic.
21:04
Speaker 2: He asked her if she was okay, and she said, no, okay, yeah.
21:10
Speaker 3: What do you mean exactly by that? Like, what what
21:13
Speaker 3: do you mean by catatonic?
21:14
Speaker 2: Catatonic is just kind of like just blank, just nothing.
21:17
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, so kind of like almost empty ish.
21:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay. So he's like, do you need help?
21:22
Speaker 2: Are you okay? It's just like, no, I don't need help,
21:24
Speaker 2: just chilling in the back seat of his fucking vehicle, which.
21:26
Speaker 3: Is even more alarming.
21:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was on Because of her catatonic state, she
21:31
Speaker 2: was unable to provide any personal details or identify who
21:34
Speaker 2: or where she was Keith called the authorities, informed them
21:38
Speaker 2: of what just happened with this strange girl appearing in
21:41
Speaker 2: the backseat of his fucking vehicle, and then of course
21:45
Speaker 2: authorities came and they took Rihanna to Goldburn Hospital where
21:49
Speaker 2: she was treated for stress related issues.
21:52
Speaker 3: Huh okay.
21:55
Speaker 2: On Wednesday, August thirty first, first, Mitchell arrived at home
22:00
Speaker 2: via train, so just like a sister. When he made
22:04
Speaker 2: it home, he was met with a barrage of police
22:07
Speaker 2: and questions, and of course news by this time was
22:10
Speaker 2: really spreading around, so they're asking him what's going on,
22:12
Speaker 2: what's happening? Where were you were your parents? And he's like,
22:15
Speaker 2: I don't know.
22:18
Speaker 3: Okay, this is just like mind blowing to them. This
22:23
Speaker 3: is probably such a new concept that they've never even
22:26
Speaker 3: grasped like they do.
22:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so bizarre. Yeah. He tried to give all
22:31
Speaker 2: the information he could, like where his parents were when
22:33
Speaker 2: he left, where they were headed sort of thing, but
22:40
Speaker 2: there just wasn't much to go on. And I do
22:41
Speaker 2: have a quote from him. It's the same quote actually
22:46
Speaker 2: that Jacko using the intro, but I'll put it here
22:48
Speaker 2: as well because I do feel it's a good quote
22:50
Speaker 2: and important so quote. I've never seen anything like it.
22:53
Speaker 2: It's really hard to explain or put in put a
22:56
Speaker 2: word on it. But they were just fearing for their
22:59
Speaker 2: lives and then they decided to flee.
23:02
Speaker 3: So it's mostly just the parents then fully that, and
23:07
Speaker 3: they're trying. They were so worried. They're like, we got
23:09
Speaker 3: to take our kids and stuff, and the kids aren't
23:13
Speaker 3: buying what they're exactly fleeing from.
23:15
Speaker 2: It seems like it was primarily the parents. The daughters
23:19
Speaker 2: I think had some paranoia in them as well. Mitchell
23:24
Speaker 2: not so much. It seems like he just kind of
23:26
Speaker 2: like went along with it, like what's going on, Like okay,
23:28
Speaker 2: like we're fleeing, sure from what what's happening? And then
23:32
Speaker 2: he's like, this is I can't do this. This is
23:35
Speaker 2: just bizarre.
23:36
Speaker 3: But it obviously can't be from the house. It's itself
23:39
Speaker 3: really if all of them kind of went back there,
23:42
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah.
23:44
Speaker 2: We'll touch on a theory later, Okay. So police would
23:50
Speaker 2: of course make the way to search the Jenolan Caves,
23:53
Speaker 2: the area where Mark and Jacoba were last noted to be.
23:57
Speaker 2: Of course, with their paranoia and someone following them, they
24:00
Speaker 2: hadn't stayed at the caves. Very long, they two turned
24:03
Speaker 2: around and headed back south again, actually making their way
24:06
Speaker 2: about halfway home to the town of Wanjarretta genjarreda sorry
24:13
Speaker 2: terrible at pronunciation when jarreda. From there, they too became
24:17
Speaker 2: separated from one another, and it isn't clear how or
24:20
Speaker 2: why what The so Jacoba traveled alone north to Yas
24:26
Speaker 2: on public transport while Mark remained behind with the vehicle.
24:31
Speaker 2: A young couple in the area actually experienced and reported
24:34
Speaker 2: a rather interesting slash some say disturbing incident that night. Allegedly,
24:40
Speaker 2: they were being tailgated with a man in a silver
24:46
Speaker 2: station wagon on the highway, the same family vehicle that
24:50
Speaker 2: was described for them to own, and they were being
24:52
Speaker 2: tailgated so close that they couldn't even see the headlights
24:55
Speaker 2: in their rearview mirror at the vehicle behind them.
24:57
Speaker 3: Fricking tailgating pisses me on, Yeah, I get just raged
25:01
Speaker 3: when someone tailgates me.
25:03
Speaker 2: Well, they were not too happy either. They were confused
25:06
Speaker 2: on what the hell's going on, so they eventually stopped
25:08
Speaker 2: their vehicle and the driver of the vehicle behind them,
25:12
Speaker 2: the silver vehicle, got out of their car and ran
25:15
Speaker 2: up towards their vehicle.
25:16
Speaker 3: Oh gosh.
25:18
Speaker 2: Then he suddenly suddenly just stopped in the middle of
25:21
Speaker 2: the street, stared directly at them for a minute, and
25:25
Speaker 2: then ran off into a park nearby, a park called
25:28
Speaker 2: Mirwa Park, leaving the vehicle abandoned. What so it was
25:33
Speaker 2: the family vehicle and it is theorized that this of
25:36
Speaker 2: course was Mark.
25:38
Speaker 3: Okay, so they actually found this vehicle abandoned.
25:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was driving it at this incident and
25:45
Speaker 2: then just ran off into the park. Oh, leaving the
25:48
Speaker 2: vehicle behind.
25:49
Speaker 3: I would actually shit myself a little bit if.
25:52
Speaker 2: Someone just runs upstairs at you and then darts off
25:54
Speaker 2: in the park.
25:55
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think I would ever be okay after that.
25:58
Speaker 2: Nope. That's kind of like nightmare fuel. Yeah yeah. Yeah.
26:03
Speaker 2: On Thursday, September one, Jacoba was found by a passerby
26:06
Speaker 2: who spotted her wandering around the town in an agitated state,
26:10
Speaker 2: more than two hundred and forty kilometers from where she
26:12
Speaker 2: was last seen, and was taken to a hospital in
26:15
Speaker 2: Yas for stress related health issues.
26:18
Speaker 3: Which was the same was what her daughter was taken
26:20
Speaker 3: in for.
26:20
Speaker 2: Yes, correct now. Sergeant Mark Knight of the police department
26:26
Speaker 2: said that doctors at the hospital had assessed her and
26:28
Speaker 2: her mental health was quote wasn't of a good standard,
26:33
Speaker 2: and Sergeant Knight also referred to the case as the
26:35
Speaker 2: most bizarre thing he'd come across in three decades of policing.
26:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't say.
26:42
Speaker 2: Rightfully, So it seems very bizarre to me.
26:44
Speaker 3: Uh huh, I'm like confused as shit right now. So
26:47
Speaker 3: I get that.
26:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now Mitchell and uh, I've already forgot the
26:53
Speaker 2: two daughter's names, Rihanna and what was the other one again, Lakeisha?
26:57
Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't remember.
26:58
Speaker 2: Not Lakeisha, It's not what. But the other daughter has
27:01
Speaker 2: been found Ella.
27:02
Speaker 3: That was Ella. So that's pretty close to Lakeisha.
27:05
Speaker 2: Oh damn, near identical. You're like one letter off. But
27:09
Speaker 2: they are both safe at home. Rihanna and the mother
27:13
Speaker 2: are both hospitalized at this point, Okay, And the search
27:16
Speaker 2: for the father, Mark is pretty much the only piece
27:23
Speaker 2: that they need to get held down here. I was
27:25
Speaker 2: going to say the only piece left, but I mean
27:27
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pieces here because it's bizarre.
27:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should they find him?
27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the search for fifty one year old Mark
27:35
Speaker 2: was underway and there was sightings of him that are
27:38
Speaker 2: being getting to pop up in the area, like the
27:40
Speaker 2: one of him tailgating running off for example. And then
27:45
Speaker 2: they were also breaking and enters and theft reported that
27:48
Speaker 2: may have been believed to have been committed by Mark.
27:50
Speaker 2: One being in a motel that was like it was
27:52
Speaker 2: broken into someone slept it in it overnight. They believe
27:56
Speaker 2: it was Mark who did that. Okay, So it was
28:00
Speaker 2: on Saturday, September third that Mark would finally be found.
28:05
Speaker 2: He was located running along the street on the outskirts
28:08
Speaker 2: of Wangarata near the local airport that evening. Police picked
28:12
Speaker 2: him up and released him to a family member several
28:15
Speaker 2: hours later after questioning. Unfortunately, Mark wasn't able to provide
28:19
Speaker 2: much information to the authorities either, and as they drove
28:22
Speaker 2: away with the family member, he subsequently flipped off the
28:26
Speaker 2: waiting media for questioning.
28:29
Speaker 3: What yeah, and he was found just running down the road?
28:34
Speaker 3: Correct anything? Said, he doesn't need to give an explanation
28:37
Speaker 3: on anything.
28:39
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like he was talking to authorities. It's
28:41
Speaker 2: the media that he flipped off.
28:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, but still like did not even have any explanation
28:47
Speaker 3: to them though.
28:47
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he doesn't. No one owes news anything.
28:50
Speaker 3: To the authorities.
28:51
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, he was talking to authorities.
28:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you said he doesn't really know what the
28:55
Speaker 3: shit's going on, which is so confusing.
28:56
Speaker 2: Yeah he doesn't.
28:57
Speaker 3: Oh god, okay, Well, if he does know what's going on,
29:00
Speaker 3: who the fuck does?
29:02
Speaker 2: No one does. That's the point. No one fucking knows.
29:07
Speaker 3: Oh okay, my brain can't comprehend this case.
29:11
Speaker 2: He basically has this paranoia over being followed, as if
29:15
Speaker 2: someone was after him, his family or money.
29:17
Speaker 3: Okay, well, and he's the one fucking taliating people, so
29:19
Speaker 3: I don't get that.
29:20
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, fair enough. But in a statement the following
29:24
Speaker 2: meet week, Mark had this to say, quote, and I
29:28
Speaker 2: do want to say this though. Some of the quotes
29:30
Speaker 2: I have here are pieced together quote, so it's not
29:33
Speaker 2: like a single paragraphed quote. It's kind of strung together
29:36
Speaker 2: different pieces that he said. Just heads up on that.
29:39
Speaker 2: So he said, quote without reservation. I apologize for the
29:43
Speaker 2: hurt and concern caused by these events on behalf of
29:46
Speaker 2: our family. I express deep gratitude to the Victoria and
29:49
Speaker 2: New South Wales police, as well as a healthcare professionals
29:53
Speaker 2: who looked after our physical and mental well being. More
29:57
Speaker 2: than anything, my family and I need time to rec
30:00
Speaker 2: cover and receive appropriate assistance, including mental health services. To
30:05
Speaker 2: this end, we request that the media organizations respect a
30:08
Speaker 2: request for privacy and without reservation. I apologize, sorry, I
30:12
Speaker 2: already read that part without reservation. I apologize for the
30:15
Speaker 2: hurt and concern caused by these events.
30:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, huh, okay, I'm shook right now. Like I have
30:25
Speaker 3: no idea what the fuck's going on.
30:26
Speaker 2: I can tell well, yeah, I can tell. Okay, trust me,
30:29
Speaker 2: I researched this. I have no idea what the fuck's
30:32
Speaker 2: going on. They went through it, they have no idea
30:35
Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on. There's literally no real answers
30:38
Speaker 2: that came out of this incident.
30:39
Speaker 3: My gosh, but what don't just a waste of like
30:42
Speaker 3: resources and money too with this?
30:44
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but you still need to go in
30:47
Speaker 2: like help someone, like oh.
30:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm not saying it's like but it's just
30:50
Speaker 3: so much money and stuff that and time and things
30:53
Speaker 3: and then and then it was everyone was found. But
30:56
Speaker 3: it's like, no one knows anything more. It's just weird.
30:59
Speaker 3: It's weird.
31:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. There were actually some reports that came out about
31:06
Speaker 2: those close to the family and the build up coming
31:08
Speaker 2: up to the big day of this event happening, reports
31:13
Speaker 2: of a little bit of paranoia in the months building
31:16
Speaker 2: up kind of came out. So whether there is much
31:20
Speaker 2: truth behind it or not, it's hard to say, especially
31:24
Speaker 2: because the family does has been like very private and
31:28
Speaker 2: wanting to keep it within themselves, So I totally understand that.
31:32
Speaker 2: But basically, everything did just get to a boiling point
31:34
Speaker 2: and the family just didn't know what they were running
31:37
Speaker 2: from or why. They just felt as though they needed
31:39
Speaker 2: to leave their home for their own safety.
31:43
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, oh man, I maybe shouldn't say this,
31:47
Speaker 3: but I almost just felt a feel in a sense
31:49
Speaker 3: too that it's like, because you said they were workaholics, right, yeah,
31:53
Speaker 3: just like burnout and possible, very possive, like they burnt
31:57
Speaker 3: themselves out and then they're just like in this delusional
31:59
Speaker 3: state of they don't know what's going on.
32:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very possible. I mean there are some theories.
32:07
Speaker 2: I mean, it's there's no doubt that mental health plays
32:10
Speaker 2: a massive role in this case one way or another.
32:13
Speaker 2: And also, what else is the internet good for other
32:16
Speaker 2: in situations like this if not for coming up with theories?
32:20
Speaker 2: Now there aren't really I mean, there's not a lot
32:22
Speaker 2: of theories, but they do range from psychosis caused by
32:26
Speaker 2: chemicals used on their farm, oh boy, perhaps leaking into
32:30
Speaker 2: water supplies or something who knows, to suggesting that they
32:35
Speaker 2: were actually running from debt collectors. Okay, but both of
32:39
Speaker 2: these particular theories investigators did rule out.
32:43
Speaker 3: Okay, both of those made a lot of sense to me, though, Yes,
32:46
Speaker 3: I was looking for them to be one of them.
32:49
Speaker 2: No, they both have apparently been ruled out by authorities.
32:55
Speaker 2: So yeah, it yeah, that's about it.
33:00
Speaker 3: Interesting.
33:01
Speaker 2: Now, there is kind of another theory. It's not really
33:04
Speaker 2: a theory, it's more of a health thing. I guess
33:08
Speaker 2: if you could say, there's a condition known as fully
33:12
Speaker 2: de duh fully a duh, which is madness of two
33:16
Speaker 2: in which people in a close knit relationship experience a
33:19
Speaker 2: shared psychosis essentially when they feed off one another's like psychosis, paranoia, stress,
33:25
Speaker 2: it builds up tension from one another to the other.
33:30
Speaker 2: So just building this and snowballing and like, you know,
33:33
Speaker 2: like one person's like say, for example, I think I
33:37
Speaker 2: hear footsteps down the hall, Nicole, did you hear that? Well,
33:41
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're listening for it. Oh, maybe
33:43
Speaker 2: I heard it. Too, and then now we're both terrified.
33:46
Speaker 3: Okay, I see, I've never heard of term of it,
33:48
Speaker 3: like the term that you said, but yeah, that makes sense.
33:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is a theory that this is particularly
33:54
Speaker 2: the case of what happened with this psychosis building up
33:57
Speaker 2: spilling over from just not only the parents but to
33:59
Speaker 2: the kids. So again though we just don't know. Okay,
34:08
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about one thing really quick,
34:10
Speaker 2: because there was technically a crime that was committed within this.
34:15
Speaker 2: The two daughters did steal a vehicle, right so Ella
34:19
Speaker 2: was charged for allegedly stealing the vehicle and Rihanna was
34:21
Speaker 2: also charged for the vehicle as well, but charges were
34:24
Speaker 2: later dropped under the Australia's Mental Health Act and the
34:27
Speaker 2: vehicle owners understanding the distress of the situation with the family,
34:32
Speaker 2: so all charges in that regard were dropped.
34:37
Speaker 3: That's actually really good.
34:38
Speaker 2: It is definitely I do want to end this one
34:42
Speaker 2: off with a quote from the daughter, Ella, and it's
34:45
Speaker 2: something that she said during a press interview. It is
34:48
Speaker 2: very confusing. I still feel very confused. I think our
34:52
Speaker 2: state of minds wasn't in the best place. And yeah,
34:56
Speaker 2: I can't even really there's no one reason for it.
35:01
Speaker 2: It's bizarre.
35:02
Speaker 3: Huh.
35:03
Speaker 2: So those arms and ohs, that's even directly quoting, right, Yeah.
35:07
Speaker 3: Okay, see, I actually, well I was going to say,
35:10
Speaker 3: so my thought was that they it was something that
35:13
Speaker 3: they were potentially like embarrassed about, right, so then they
35:17
Speaker 3: were like covering it up. But what you just said
35:20
Speaker 3: about how the paranoia can kind of be transferred to
35:23
Speaker 3: the family members and like this close knit situation makes
35:26
Speaker 3: like a lot of sense to me.
35:27
Speaker 2: It does, actually when you look on it and reflect
35:29
Speaker 2: on it, it does make a lot of sense.
35:31
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then also, I like because Ben and I
35:35
Speaker 3: are a little bit workaholics too, and there's been so
35:38
Speaker 3: much there's been times where I've just like had so
35:41
Speaker 3: much on my plate though that I'm just like I
35:43
Speaker 3: just want to run away, you know, I say that often. Yeah,
35:47
Speaker 3: But and it's like just want to like leave the situation.
35:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:51
Speaker 3: But I so I think that it's a small potential.
35:54
Speaker 3: But I think what you said, without the paranoia, it
35:56
Speaker 3: makes the most sense.
35:57
Speaker 2: M I think a stress does get to a certain
36:00
Speaker 2: boiling point. I mean it's gonna be it's gonna be
36:03
Speaker 2: a couple of many things. I think, Like, I don't
36:05
Speaker 2: think stress alone would generally do that. I don't think
36:09
Speaker 2: depression alone would generally do that. I don't think paranoia alone. Yeah,
36:15
Speaker 2: I mean imagine, like you're running a business and a farm.
36:17
Speaker 2: I'm sure maybe even lack of sleep put in with
36:20
Speaker 2: the stress, put in with the.
36:21
Speaker 3: Depression causes paranoia.
36:25
Speaker 2: Maybe the family, like I said, you might not get
36:27
Speaker 2: along working that close knit together. Maybe there is some
36:31
Speaker 2: fights within the family that's been causing a little bit
36:33
Speaker 2: more stress. They still love each other, but maybe there's
36:37
Speaker 2: just these high tensions because maybe the marriage is struggling
36:40
Speaker 2: and one of the kids is I don't know, maybe
36:43
Speaker 2: they're I'm just gonna make up a situation here. Maybe
36:46
Speaker 2: the family is a Christian family and then one of
36:48
Speaker 2: the kids decides that they're not Christian, they don't want
36:50
Speaker 2: to believe in that faith anymore. That could cause a
36:53
Speaker 2: struggle within the family, which builds these tensions, builds these
36:55
Speaker 2: pressures and feed into whatever their mental health state was.
37:01
Speaker 3: And they probably didn't expect it to blow up kind
37:04
Speaker 3: of to the way it did night. I don't think so,
37:06
Speaker 3: where many people were looking for them, and like the
37:09
Speaker 3: press was involved in all this.
37:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and I do want to paint one final
37:15
Speaker 2: little picture here, because it was just kind of a
37:17
Speaker 2: thought that came to my mind. What if they weren't
37:21
Speaker 2: even intending on running in fear. What if they were
37:24
Speaker 2: intending on saying, Hey, like, stresses and everything is so high,
37:29
Speaker 2: we just got to get away for the weekend, Like
37:31
Speaker 2: you say, just run away from the situation for a bit.
37:32
Speaker 2: Let's just go up to a park or something. Let's
37:35
Speaker 2: just grab some cash, leave the phones and stress all
37:38
Speaker 2: this shit behind, just go on a fucking family day
37:41
Speaker 2: trip or something.
37:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:42
Speaker 2: And then just under that, just panic started building and
37:45
Speaker 2: just oh my god, let's just fucking get to the
37:46
Speaker 2: car and like, oh my god, we got to get
37:48
Speaker 2: out here, leave your shit behind. And it just that
37:52
Speaker 2: alone boiled up into feeding off each other and not
37:54
Speaker 2: knowing what's going on and just building into a paranoia.
37:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then when they were out on the road
38:01
Speaker 3: and stuff, they were maybe arguing and not getting along.
38:05
Speaker 3: Hence why they kind of divided, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Very much so, because I mean they don't know, no
38:10
Speaker 2: one knows. So if two people are arguing over something
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Speaker 2: that neither knows anything on, of course that's going to
38:17
Speaker 2: draw a line in the sand.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
38:19
Speaker 2: Well, why don't you just tell me? I don't know,
38:21
Speaker 2: why don't you just tell me? It's like, where are
38:23
Speaker 2: we going? I don't know where are we going? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that would cause a very stressful and very panic situation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because say, if they were just like if it
38:32
Speaker 3: was some sort of like paranor pair. What am I
38:35
Speaker 3: trying to see it here?
38:36
Speaker 2: Paranormal?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, incidence? Yeah, I don't know why that word left
38:41
Speaker 3: me for a minute. They would probably a not want
38:44
Speaker 3: to go back to their home and be say something
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Speaker 3: about it.
38:48
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So hm, wow, that is bizarre.
38:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the story of the Trump family and
38:56
Speaker 2: they don't even know why they fled their home.
38:59
Speaker 3: Well, I'm really glad that they're all safe and stuff. Yes,
39:01
Speaker 3: it could have ended it could have ended.
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Speaker 2: A law worse, Oh very much. So in mental health
39:07
Speaker 2: situations like that generally, I mean, it's sad to say
39:10
Speaker 2: people have gone to the extremes of taking their own
39:12
Speaker 2: lives over paranoida like that.
39:14
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and lots of times two families will take
39:16
Speaker 3: the lives of their loved ones too, if they're like
39:19
Speaker 3: to the extent of that paranoid right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So wow, So yeah, that's a very interesting
39:26
Speaker 2: case and one I thought was very worthy of Halloween week.
39:29
Speaker 2: Uh huh, So don't let all these ghosts and monsters
39:32
Speaker 2: and scary things get all up in your head and
39:34
Speaker 2: make you paranoid. This this Halloween.
39:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, jeez, this one, every single one we're doing this week.
39:40
Speaker 3: It just makes me like think too much. My poor
39:44
Speaker 3: little brain right.
39:45
Speaker 2: Now, just frying your noggin.
39:47
Speaker 3: Kind of my brain feels tired. And this one just
39:50
Speaker 3: like put it over the edge a little bit because
39:52
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the actual I.
39:54
Speaker 2: Just picture, like you remember those old school drug commercials
39:57
Speaker 2: where it's like they crack an egg and it's like,
39:59
Speaker 2: this is your this is your brain on drugs, and
40:01
Speaker 2: it's like sizzling in the hot pan.
40:03
Speaker 3: That's me right now, that's my brain. Yeah, because this
40:08
Speaker 3: one is just too bizarre. I like, because you know
40:12
Speaker 3: how I like answers. I like salt cases and like
40:16
Speaker 3: where you know, because my OCD if I don't know,
40:18
Speaker 3: just gets to me and I'm like thinking about it
40:21
Speaker 3: too much.
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Speaker 2: I love the ones where you just sit back and go,
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Speaker 2: what the fuck you do?
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Speaker 3: Love those yes I didn't notice, Well.
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Speaker 2: Just surprise, surprise only took you over one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty episodes and three years to figure it out. Well,
40:37
Speaker 2: thank you, I love you too. I can see that
40:40
Speaker 2: love glare happening right.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm head over heels for you mane.
40:44
Speaker 2: Oh definitely love you too. All right, Hopefully you guys
40:49
Speaker 2: enjoyed that one. Hopefully you guys are enjoying Halloween Week.
40:52
Speaker 2: We got some cool stuff coming down the pipes the
40:54
Speaker 2: next couple of days. Yeah, if you want to check
40:57
Speaker 2: out our links, they're all down below. Makes you end
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Speaker 2: us a photo of you and your drink listening, Please
41:03
Speaker 2: to the Halloween Week episodes and let us know your
41:05
Speaker 2: favorite one so far too, and let us know your
41:07
Speaker 2: favorite fearful episode as well.
41:10
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you.
41:11
Speaker 2: Haven't listened to it yet, it's our other podcast spin
41:13
Speaker 2: off where Jacko actually talks about a lot more stuff
41:17
Speaker 2: out of the scope of true crime, paranormal, supernatural, just
41:21
Speaker 2: some fucked up history. For example, he's got some.
41:24
Speaker 3: Interesting favorite episode of the New Five or of.
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Speaker 2: All the ten, all the ten out there, I think, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
41:32
Speaker 2: we're gonna just say yeah thirty times.
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Speaker 3: We'd be interested to know that. Yeah, okay, So on
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Speaker 3: that note, well done, Thank you and you know it's
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Speaker 3: Halloween week, so well
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Speaker 2: We'll chat tomorrow, you bet you, and until then, stay wicked.