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Ep. 820: Skunks Ruin A Marriage and Colorado’s Wolf Plan In Trouble · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: you're gonna cover their ears because Randall's got a news item.
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  Speaker 2: We are gonna bleep it right feels gonna leep the
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  Speaker 2: whole good of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done this in the past. Yes, So Randall
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  Speaker 1: found us the Salacious Exchange on what platform?
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  Speaker 2: This is? On Facebook?
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  Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time there.
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  Speaker 2: No, I have no I was looking at I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at like you know.
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  Speaker 1: Facebook marketplace stuff, and this popped up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have no idea. I have no idea
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  Speaker 3: who this guy is. I did some research to find
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  Speaker 3: out where he is. We won't name him.
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  Speaker 1: But just set the scene.
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  Speaker 3: He's he goes on I didn't come through your feet
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  Speaker 3: like it was just algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: It knows that.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like this. That's not true. You're lying.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so I'll set the scene. There's a photo and
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a bunch of packaged deer meat, and his
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  Speaker 3: post reads I'll do a shortened version. Deer processors are
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  Speaker 3: the biggest ripoffs of twenty twenty five, one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: eighty five bucks for thirty packs of meat, which brings
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  Speaker 3: the price over six bucks a pack, and I supplied
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  Speaker 3: the meat. Then they want to get because you question
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  Speaker 3: them on it. Lucky I didn't slap the shit out
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  Speaker 3: of him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the.
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  Speaker 3: Process of processing my own, damn dear and the processor,
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  Speaker 3: and hope they all go to out of bat Hope
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  Speaker 3: they all go out of business, a bunch of ripoff bastards.
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  Speaker 3: Then they me on five packs of sausage that cost
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  Speaker 3: me fifteen dollars. Mind you, deer processing was eighty five
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  Speaker 3: dollars before, Sleepy Joe for the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Omit. Well, back up, I'm interested. He feels that that
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  Speaker 1: that he feels that the Biden administrations made me, made
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  Speaker 1: wild game processing go up.
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  Speaker 2: It's part of it. I think he also just thinks
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  Speaker 2: that they're they're greedy, and.
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  Speaker 1: They felt emboldened by greed. They felt emboldened by the
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  Speaker 1: Biden administration to charge more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the real like the real, uh,
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  Speaker 3: this is this is.
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  Speaker 1: That is true. I believe everything anybody tells me.
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  Speaker 2: And you think this is like, this is it.
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  Speaker 3: But there's two point nine k comments, so twenty nine
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  Speaker 3: hundred comments, and I realized that this man is responding
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  Speaker 3: to almost everyone that comments.
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  Speaker 1: So he just wants the public to know. Just so
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  Speaker 1: I'm understanding this, he just wants the public to know.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to do Yeah, he's been he's going to
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  Speaker 2: do it himself from.
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  Speaker 1: Now now on. He's doing it himself. And he just
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  Speaker 1: is putting this out to the public.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So one one person commented, grow some balls and process
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  Speaker 3: the deer yourself and retain all the meat for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: And he responded six hours later and he said, I've
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  Speaker 3: got some for you, Phil.
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  Speaker 1: Are you bleeping out? Listeners already know the answer to this.
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  Speaker 1: Are you bleeping out the balls? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I think I think I think the balls in the
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  Speaker 4: in the the initial comment, I will not bleep out
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  Speaker 4: the balls. In the second comment, I will I think
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  Speaker 4: the context is different. You know, No, that's not being bleeped.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get back to talk about of balls. We've let
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  Speaker 5: so much more fla so I'll just.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in it trying to get another they experience.
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  Speaker 3: Another gentleman commented, if you handle the work, you should
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  Speaker 3: have to pull out your wallet. Then, eleven hours later,
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  Speaker 3: the man responded, nobody asked the peanut gallery.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing, so you can.
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  Speaker 3: But but he did because he I know, I know
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  Speaker 3: he did. Humans are full of contradictions.
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  Speaker 1: How is putting? How is a Facebook post not asking
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  Speaker 1: the peanut gallery?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's fully. Yeah, you should reflect
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  Speaker 3: on your attitude before taking the life of another animal.
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  Speaker 3: You should be more grateful, to which he responds, I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't think twice to take yours.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's the one good one. That one got me.
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  Speaker 5: That's good. Your mind here, your mind here?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me find uh because I'm a sucker
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  Speaker 1: for a good year. Modjo Well, there's a couple threatened
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  Speaker 1: to punch me.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple of your modjoke.
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  Speaker 3: This This one says sleepy Joe is the problem? Question
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  Speaker 3: Mark sounds like the problem is leapy so and so
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  Speaker 3: who can't do his own deer. And he says, because
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  Speaker 3: I was busy your.
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  Speaker 1: Mom, that's good. What are you gonna bleep on on that?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna feel it out and just see what see
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  Speaker 4: what feels.
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  Speaker 5: It feels right.
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  Speaker 3: Then he brings his own profession while someone brings his
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  Speaker 3: own professions. He says, sounds like you yourself and brought
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  Speaker 3: it to the wrong butcher, just like when customers bring
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  Speaker 3: to you for bubblegum welding, to which he responds, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's a welder. He says, yeah, okay, let's see your
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  Speaker 3: weld smart ass, You nor nobody you know can do
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  Speaker 3: what I do.
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  Speaker 1: So it's turned into an indictment of his own welding.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's just rapid fire. Real men cut
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  Speaker 3: up their own deer. Hugh pal, watch out. We got
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  Speaker 3: a badass off. If you don't have time or knowledge
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  Speaker 3: to put what you harvest in the freezer, you shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be hunting for you. Sounds like you was being lazy
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  Speaker 3: and cost you more than you wanted to pay.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're mad.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to bitch, get off your ass and
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  Speaker 3: do it yourself. And he says, you nobody's lazy but
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  Speaker 3: your old lady.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it could be true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then the other one was my this is
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  Speaker 2: I'll end with this.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: He says, if you don't shoot a button buck, you'll
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  Speaker 3: get more meat. And he says, does this look like
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  Speaker 3: a button buck to you?
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  Speaker 6: Then he has a picture of him holding the cut
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  Speaker 6: off head in the back of the truck.
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  Speaker 2: It is a nice buck.
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  Speaker 7: Can I see that?
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  Speaker 5: Karin? Do you know what bubble gum welding is?
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  Speaker 7: It's I mean, is it just like doing a shoddy
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  Speaker 7: job and.
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  Speaker 3: Bubby gobby well gobby like gum stun on the other
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  Speaker 3: side of the table.
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  Speaker 7: Oh oh god, okay, thank you, thank.
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  Speaker 5: You for until I did a little bit of welding
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  Speaker 5: last year.
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  Speaker 3: I was out duck hunting with Cal and I was
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  Speaker 3: like a lull in the action and I just got
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  Speaker 3: on Marketplace and I saw that and I screenshot. I
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  Speaker 3: took like ten screenshots of the comments, and there's more there.
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  Speaker 2: It's a rich text.
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  Speaker 7: The guy exposed himself. I mean he exposed his face.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean it's a personal pacebook.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Can if you go to his have him on the show.
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  Speaker 2: He seems a little cantankerous.
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  Speaker 5: Uh maybe remotely.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's funny, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, the keep him my arms like.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get moving along. We had a lot
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  Speaker 1: to cover today. We're just so just so, ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: just so you know, we're gonna talk about Florida, Florida
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  Speaker 1: bear hunt, a lot of news Florida bear hunt. We
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  Speaker 1: got a heartwarming story from Canada. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about uh, Colorado wolf management, and and and the wrath
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  Speaker 1: of the Trump administration. We're going to talk about a
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  Speaker 1: lot of cractions. Oh, some stuff about jaguars and Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: some stuff about mountain goats in Alaska. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. What else is in here is
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  Speaker 1: a thing called a desperate plea about skunks. Oh, Massachusetts
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  Speaker 1: lobster hest Hmmm. I don't think we can get to
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  Speaker 1: the subsistence. That's a big bucket. Anyways, obviously, lots of
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  Speaker 1: stuff we got to cover. But real quick. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the the Bobcat Championship game, No, the local school team won.
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  Speaker 1: My buddy, very exciting. My kid's buddy was telling a story.
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  Speaker 1: His family's all huge Bobcats fans. It goes to overtime
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  Speaker 1: and so It's like very tense overtime moment and the
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  Speaker 1: bobcast dude makes a catch in the end zone, which
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  Speaker 1: ties the game up. It will then be decided by
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  Speaker 1: the extra point.
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  Speaker 8: Anyways, the minute he makes to catch his old man.
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  Speaker 1: I was watching this dude, and you know what's funny,
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching with my family, so I'm in the position
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  Speaker 1: of knowing more than anybody. It's like that old leg
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  Speaker 1: you know, I hate say it, but it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: an old term, like the blind leading the blind. I
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  Speaker 1: had a glimmer of vision leading a family of the
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  Speaker 1: blind because I'm like, oh no, what happens now?
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  Speaker 7: You know?
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  Speaker 8: Because my wife she all surprised because Katie's been.
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  Speaker 1: She's a big fan. She was on she was fired up.
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  Speaker 1: But I know more of the rules, and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: like better, I don't know, man, Like I'm better at
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  Speaker 1: like that figuring out what's going on in a football
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  Speaker 1: game than she is. Yeah, I just damn. She's more
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  Speaker 1: invested in it. She likes going to the to the
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  Speaker 1: the arena to watch the games. So anyways, my kid's
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  Speaker 1: buddy his dad. The minute the dude makes the catch,
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  Speaker 1: his dad in a moment of excitement curls his remote
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  Speaker 1: control across the room, and when the remote control hits
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  Speaker 1: the wall, it changes the channel and then dissolves. So
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  Speaker 1: he's just scribing as old man trying to frantically his
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  Speaker 1: TV back up and running. And by the time he
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  Speaker 1: got this, by the time he got it back up,
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  Speaker 1: the game was over.
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  Speaker 7: Hes overtime missed.
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  Speaker 1: He missed, you know, I mean, it was just this
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  Speaker 1: old man that was like just so overwhelmed. That was hilarious. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: heartwarming story to start. New York folks, here's a good
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  Speaker 1: one for you. On a recent show, we covered a
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  Speaker 1: We kind of dogged on him and goofed on him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but we we covered a young struggling
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  Speaker 1: Canadian hunter who lives in Alberta. Probably probably no, we
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  Speaker 1: know he's in Alberta. Yeah, talking all about how he
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  Speaker 1: he's hunted all these years and never sees nothing, never
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  Speaker 1: gets nothing where to go. He says, they'll tell him
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  Speaker 1: to go west, but then he sees a picture of
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  Speaker 1: them with a deer and it looks like they went
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  Speaker 1: the east. He thinks people lie to him, hunting all
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  Speaker 1: these years, never got anything but a grouse. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: covered him and goofed on him and with love. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote in to say, uh, no, no, no, no, he didn't.
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  Speaker 7: Right there, a bunch of Canadians.
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  Speaker 1: Canadians wrote us helping him out.
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  Speaker 9: That just goes to show you the difference between Canadians
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  Speaker 9: and Americans.
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  Speaker 1: Americans be like, here's my name is this letter there,
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  Speaker 1: here's a letter that came in. Hey there, my name
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  Speaker 1: is Steve van Brunt and I'm the treasurer of the
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  Speaker 1: Calgary Fish and Game Association. By the sounds of his email,
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  Speaker 1: I'd guess this hunter is in Calgary. Our group would
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  Speaker 1: love to take him in and help him out. Please
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  Speaker 1: forward him my info. I know the struggle. I also
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  Speaker 1: started hunting in my twenties and went a few years
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  Speaker 1: getting skunked at first. And he says, here's the for reference,
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  Speaker 1: here's a picture of my first year, which I out
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  Speaker 1: west in the mountains.
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  Speaker 7: And if you look, it's not connected. The initial writer
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  Speaker 7: in with this group and maybe we'll hear of his success.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, here's here's a deal. Now, this is this is
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  Speaker 1: pay we gotta do, we gotta do corrections now. Anyone
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  Speaker 1: alive today knows that everyone talks about how we're in
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  Speaker 1: this era of misinformation, right, We're like in this cultural
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  Speaker 1: moment of we're just misinformation. Does everybody know that if
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  Speaker 1: you're engaged in the national conversation and you're a news reader,
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  Speaker 1: you would know that there is a You would know
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  Speaker 1: whether you agree it or not, you would know that
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: there is a cophony of of like noise around fake
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: news misinformation, and it cuts both ways. During during during
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  Speaker 1: the pandemic, you'd say that, hey, maybe it was a
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  Speaker 1: lab leak, and you'd you'd be accused of misinformation, right,
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  Speaker 1: which wound up being probably true. So it cuts both ways.
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  Speaker 1: But there's this whole narrative of like there's no accountability, right,
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  Speaker 1: there's no accountability. You just say, you say a re
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  Speaker 1: you say a thing, and you could say something blatantly false,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't have the mechanisms out there to correct misinformation.
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  Speaker 9: And then it goes out there and does.
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  Speaker 1: Its thing and it cuts both ways.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever, But we have that mechanism here.
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  Speaker 1: We have that here. And I'll point this out when
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  Speaker 1: I participated in that, when I participated in the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times Daily podcasts, I've been on a lot of
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  Speaker 1: podcasts and I've hosted a lot of podcasts. Those suckers
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  Speaker 1: fact check. Yeah what the guest says, Yeah, that would
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  Speaker 1: shut down most podcasts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we started, they recorded you don't want me.
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  Speaker 1: They go, they go to me and they're like, you
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  Speaker 1: said X, you said why you said Z. We can't
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  Speaker 1: corroborate Z. And I had to go and be, well,
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  Speaker 1: give me five minutes and I'll show you right. And
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  Speaker 1: then later that day I had to be like I
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  Speaker 1: was wrong. I was wrong, and they caught it. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: no one does that. That would ruin. That would end
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  Speaker 1: podcasting in America today. However, what we'd like to do
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  Speaker 1: is we're going to create we want I want corrections
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  Speaker 1: so bad that we're going to create a system by
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  Speaker 1: which we reward corrections. So if we say something that's
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  Speaker 1: off or incorrect, or if we miss something, or if
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  Speaker 1: they're you know, but you know that thing that happens
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  Speaker 1: where you lie by omission. M h. We caught our
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  Speaker 1: kid lying by omission recently.
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  Speaker 9: Left out a key detail hill.
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  Speaker 1: The detail was so key, right the d He's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do blank.
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  Speaker 7: This is the oldest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go do blank. They're like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a problem, you know, And then like
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  Speaker 1: a while later we realized that he left.
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  Speaker 2: Off the other things he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Like let's say, you know, let's say let's say this
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. Let's say you were like, Hey, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: run down the road to the gas station, okay to
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  Speaker 1: rob it. Yeah, right, that's not it. But to be
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  Speaker 1: like a thing like that, and we're like, oh, that's what.
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  Speaker 1: At what point were you planning on including that detail?
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  Speaker 1: So he lied by omission, right, lied by omission. So
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  Speaker 1: if we say something that's off incorrect, if we miss something,
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  Speaker 1: if we if if we screw up by omission of
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  Speaker 1: a thing, right, sure everything you said was correct, or
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  Speaker 1: you the listener are thinking, you didn't say anything that
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  Speaker 1: was wrong, but you left off something of such impact
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  Speaker 1: that would have fundamentally changed the conversation you were having.
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  Speaker 1: Feel free to write in, but.
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  Speaker 9: They got to bring the receipts, right, They can't just
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  Speaker 9: disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: Gotta bring the receipts. You got to show your wor.
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  Speaker 7: Project concerning about it.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't just send a bunch of dumb garbage in.
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  Speaker 7: You can email the meat Eater podcast at the meadeater
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  Speaker 7: dot com and we're going to be accumulating a bank
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  Speaker 7: of this and corrections in a little while will formalize
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  Speaker 7: a segment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about formalizing a segment, and we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about rewarding the best correction.
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  Speaker 9: Bhili, you're gonna have to come up with a corrections jingle.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we can traditions.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I had an idea where in the room you
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  Speaker 4: all go one, two, three corrections and then I play
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  Speaker 4: a sound like corrections.
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  Speaker 5: Have like a combo deal. I don't know, we will
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  Speaker 5: figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Fidd around the roof, coming back.
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  Speaker 5: We've done this in the We've never.
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  Speaker 1: We've never systematic by acknowledging it, but we've never formalized.
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  Speaker 1: And what we're aiming toward doing is perhaps building a
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  Speaker 1: correction of the week.
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  Speaker 4: This is a live This is a live idea. I'm
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  Speaker 4: thrown out there. Feel free to shut it down immediately.
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  Speaker 4: Would you want people to send in like video clips
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  Speaker 4: of them saying like, hey, this is this is John
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  Speaker 4: from from Arkansas.
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  Speaker 5: I got a correction for you.
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  Speaker 1: We can play it. We can play it on.
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  Speaker 2: Depending on the delivery.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you could do that.
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  Speaker 1: That would be if someone did do that.
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  Speaker 9: We don't want Randall's guy doing that.
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  Speaker 1: From Facebook, Phil, get out with the corrections.
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  Speaker 5: I foresee. I just finished my thought. I foresee a
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  Speaker 5: show that is corrections, because.
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  Speaker 1: Then you got corrections to the corrections that's been a thing.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need to do them all, so the warner
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  Speaker 1: here's a cruestion.
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  Speaker 5: Just pick the good corrections that we like.
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  Speaker 1: No, the best correction is the correction that corrects the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: biggest wrong correct For instance, like if someone's like, oh,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you said that it became a state in eighteen forty eight,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it actually became technically it became a state on at
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: eleven fifty nine, you know PM, the New Year's Eve,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: eighteen forty seven, Like I don't care about that, yeah,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you know. But if it's like, hey man, you said
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: whatever that that that you know, I don't know. For example,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that we have some good trying I'll show here this
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: isn't a podcast correction, is a video correction, but it
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: has podcast tiens. We recently did a thing, a video
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: about our our Sandhill cranes, truly the Ribbin in the Sky.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: If you haven't watched it, go to YouTube.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And we're currently making a video called our merganzas really
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: as bad as they say. Okay, so in our Sandhill
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Crane video, we busted out our Warner Braxler sheer Force
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: test machine, which measures tenderness to this. Chris Calkins from
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the University of Nebraska, who is a meat scientist, wrote
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in to.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Say, wait, he was our guest.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on episode to seventy seven. He came
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: out to talk about meat science. The episode that was
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: back when we had good names for our episodes. That
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: episode was called Red Cutter before we caved and started
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: using dumb names. Now he's a meat scientist.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: So yeah, if you're going to go find this episode,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: don't search like mediator what to know about meat. You're
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: gonna have to type.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: In red red something you never think to write in.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Very difficult to find it, because something that no one
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: on the planet is searching.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Except for people who have already listened to the episode.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And remember every if they typed in meat Scientists, University Nebraska,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Wild Game, you won't find. You type in red Cutter,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you'll find this.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: It's an extremely educational episode.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Listen like every year, just to refresh.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all your questions about like all your questions, like
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, when someone hits a deer and it goes
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you hit a deer bad and it goes two miles
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: before you find it, and then people be like, well
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that deer will be no good to eat because it
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was stressed and the lactic acid. All those questions resolved.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Should you soak your meat and water? Should you soak
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it in saltwater? All those questions was out. He wrote
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in to say there's no Basically, he says, yeah, what
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: is he? Oh? Here it is, It's quick. This is
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Chris Calkins, the meat scientist. I saw a recent Instagram
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: posts showing use of the meat sheer machine being used
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on raw meat. Be aware there's hardly any relationship between
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: sheer force of raw versus cooked meat. For those who know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it's a glaring error. We were taking raw sand Hill
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: crane in raw ribbi and measuring the tenderness and the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: sand Hill crane blew away the ribbi in terms of tenderness?
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Did you do it cooked? Also, we never did it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And what was funny about it is I was noticing
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that in the sheer force machine, sand Hill crane is half.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's scoring like I can't remember the exact numbers. Basically,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: it's scoring like a one point five bite force and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the ribbi is scoring a three point zero bite force.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: But then when you cook them and eat them, there's
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: no discernible Like in my mind, there's no discernible difference.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He's saying, you can't do that, you gotta cook it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Then sheer force tested.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: So we did the wrong science.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: It is okay, that's a great correction. In future, this
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: gentleman would maybe be walking away with correction of the week.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: M M. For those Brody's going to visit your home
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and cook you dinner and.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: You can insult me or something and tell me I'm wrong.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Here's another correction. How game you are for that, Brady.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We recently had on an episode seven ninety six called
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Heart of the Jaguar. We had on the author James Campbell,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and we discussed, among many things, jaguars and jaguar recovery
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. In that episode, we mentioned the biologist one
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of the if not the leading servid researchers. He's gonna
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: he's not. He's gonna write a correction about that, saying
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: how he's not Amanda in regard to be one of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the leading servid researchers in America. I regard that to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: be true. We mentioned Heffelfinger in the show, and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: even mentioned saying something that Heffelfinger might not like to hear.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: In Heffelfinger we had a long conversation. Hefflefinger had some
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: very fair corrections. He was unhappy with references to the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Arizona Game and Fish Department not being supportive of jaguars
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: showing up in Arizona, and he had a mountain of
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: examples that he shared with me demonstrating quite the opposite
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that the Zona Game and Fish Department has been entirely
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: hospitable to jaguars in Arizona. He says his agency has
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: always been very active in both planning and implement implementation
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of jaguar conservation. The Arizona Game and Fish Department supports
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the US Fish and Wildlife Services Jaguar Recovery Plan, which
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: focuses on core jaguar habitat in South and Central America
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and Mexico, and that conservation efforts and funds for jaguar
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: conservation should be focused south of the border. He also
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: says although the Peripheral the peripheral habitat in Arizona doesn't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: contribute to recovery, his department remains committed to protecting and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: conserving those individuals that disperse into Arizona. Moving on to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a public service announcement. This doing this announcement goes against
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: my well being because I've already bought my raffles.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I was thinking.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: The Outdoor Heritage Foundation.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm about to knock your odds down because I
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: got the page open. I'm gonna get my credit card out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: The Outdoor Heritage Foundation of Alaska is raffling off a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: chew Gatch Mountain Goat tag that's G eight hundred. That's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the tag number, which will come with a fully guided
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: hunting experience and a travel stipend, as well as a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Delta Junction Bison tag which is s I four hundred.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: The money raise is it s I four hundred. I
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: think it's d I nless they changed it m I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: feel like it should be di I. It's d I c.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: I four oh three. That's what it says on the website.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Whatever. It's the Delta Junction Bison tag, so.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: You get two tags if you win.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: The money raise for these tags will go to fund
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a collaring study being launched on the Chewgatch Mountain goat
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: population by the Palmer Fish and Game Office and will
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: also be used to support the organization's endowment fund. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: this organization, the Outdoor Heritage Foundation of Alaska, is raising
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: money with a mountain goat draw that they will turn
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: around and use to do research on that population of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: mountain goats by going in and funding a collaring study
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: by Palmer Fishing Game. Now, of the many things I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: enjoy following in life, I like following fir markets, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I love following collaring studies. Looking at a map with
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: all the blips of where stuff goes. I like the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: normal stuff animals do wearing a collar, and I like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the weird stuff animals do wearing a collar. Love coloring studies.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: They're very enlightening about how things use habitat. Another great
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: thing about coloring studies is once you know how a population,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: so it's a native population of mountain goats, once you
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: know how that population of mountain goats uses the landscape,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: conservation efforts can be much more focused. Right. You might say, hey,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: if we're going to protect habitats or do habitat work,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like where do these things actually go and what do
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: they use? And it helps you'd be very targeted in
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: conservation efforts, so collering studies are great. Both the bison
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and the goat raffles are live. Now to back up
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to this goat deal. For the goat tag, if you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a not this is open to non residents. And the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: catch here is unless you have a relative in Alaska,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and if you're a non resident of if you're an
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Alaska non residence, so you don't live in Alaska, the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: only way you can go hunt goats is if you
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: have a relative in Alaska, and you can hunt goats
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: with that person. Oh ornette, you got to hire a guide.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So when you draw this tag, the win. It's a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: guided trip with the travel stipend to get you up there.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: This is all expense paid goat tag. When I draw it,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I won't need those services because I'm already familiar with
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the area. Oh ho, my brother, I don't need the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: services for this. So what you're saying, I apply for
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: this tag. Here's the catch. Here's here's the weird part.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I apply for this tag every year every year.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: Here's the crazy thing. These websites actually tell you how
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: many tickets have been sold, so you can look at
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: one of your chances. Is that right, now only two
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: hundred and fifty eight tickets for the goat.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: What dude, I'm in the mix.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I'm in the mix for now.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm in the mix. I bought seventy I bought four
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: for seventy five. I'm going to get back in there.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I'm getting I was just getting, like, I just made
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: an opening offer with my seventy five dollars.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: You can just tell them you don't need a guide.
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: You're like, I don't need that part.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the money. I'm going to donate it back.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna donate it back to the org. Gotcha. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: won't need it. I don't need the guide. Yeah, I'm
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: already in it. I'm already in the state draw.
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: Anyway, you're almost you're basically already hunting that goat.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so close. So how do people find this
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: if you want to participate? Well, oh, the Delta Junction
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Bison ticket package is like of the hunts in Alaska.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: There's Delta Junction, the Chittner Herd, the Farewell Burn Herd,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the Copper River Herd. The Delta Herd is the like
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: road accessible. It's it's a very achievable hunt. They do
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: some there's some farming. Oddly, you know, there's not much
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: farming in Alaska. Obviously, there's some agricultural production around Delta Junction.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys that have these ag
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: fields they charge a small trespass fee. It's like, if
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you want to go hunt a really wild, free ranging
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: bison population that has buffalo that are able to move
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: across jurisdictions, and they're just like wild free roaming animals
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: managed as a big game species. This is a This
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is an accessible hunt for people that don't know the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: ins and outs of a LAS. You don't need to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be like a logistics wizard to pull off a Delta
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Junction hunt. So we're forty tickets for five hundred bucks.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: One ticket for twenty five bucks, goat fourteen for two
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: hundred all expense paid, four for seventy five. God that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: makes me I just need I'm getting in there heavy
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: duty now. Yeah, keep bleep all that out, Phil, We'll
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: do so.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: Uh. For the goat raffle, you have until March sixth,
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: The drawing is going to be the next day. For
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: the bison raffle, you have until the fourteenth. The drawing
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: is going to be on March fifteenth, and if you
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: go to the Outdoor Heritage Foundation of Alaska's website o
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: h FA k dot org forward slash raffles plural, you
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: will find links to purchase tickets.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, don't buy, buy the bison ones. Moving on, we
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: got an email called a desperate plea. Advice needed now,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and I'll stay tu because we're gonna get to the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: hard hitting We're gonna get to the hard hitting political,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: politically devisive stuff down the road. Whenmber I was talking
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: about wolves and like the wrath of the Trump administration,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: that's all coming. But first, a desperate plea. Dear Stephen Krewe,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: this is someone writing in for help. Let me let
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: me begin by saying I love my wife and kids
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: very much.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: That's always a great setup, but hey.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Some guys don't. Now. If he wrote in, say, let
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: me begin by saying I don't love my wife and kids.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, changes the heart.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't cover the story.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't have put it in there, so I
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: would have read it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't have a problem if if he.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Was true, he wouldn't even have this problem.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Very titillating to start off a story with that, though, yeah, yeah, and.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You couldn't, he said, I don't love my wife. I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: would have read, but I would never cover it. Yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: because I wouldn't be able to support that. He says,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I also love trapping. As you may or may not know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: skunk prices are pretty good this year. We know it well, buddy.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: In fact, we covered it at on media or radio live.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: With the fur market being down the past few years,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I was excited to see that skunks are averaging twenty
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to thirty bucks in Oklahoma. Jeez, they were even higher.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Like here, sorry, it's a dog in the studio, excuse me,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: they were even higher. This happened like a couple years ago.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: There's like that spike in beaver. Prices for cowboy hats
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and dudes got so hard after Beaver's it's just like
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they dropped. And in the skunk, I don't think the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: skunk is like, I don't know that the skunk explosion
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is gonna hold up, so I think it's already dipping
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: from harvest. A lot of guys catching a lot of skunks. Anyways,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: twenty to thirty bucks in Oklahoma. That being back to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the letter that being said, my son and I have
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: started to target skunks more than usual. He says, Now,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I am no Jared Maya Johnson, but we're looking at
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a nice little payday with all the skunks we've been catching.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that reference.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He's doing pretty good.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He's really not, because there's no part of Jeremiah Johnson
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: where he's excelling at any sort of for harvesting.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: As Jeremiah Johnson. He feels like he's a great trapper Jeremiah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: and that he himself is not comparable to a great trapper.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: That maybe Jeremiah he's still doing well.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: If he said no, I'm no Craig O'Gorman.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: That would make sense to three people.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Or I'm no Slim Peterson, I'm no Hawbaker, I'm no
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Mercer long Seth Morrison, I'm no John Graham. Sure, I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: no Jeremiah Johnson. But to go on, he's no Jeremiah Johnson,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: but he's looking at a nice little payday with all
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the skunk he's been catching. Well. I came home last
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: night and sat on the couch after a good trap
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: line checking. My wife broke down in tears and proceeded
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to tell me she can't live like this. Anymore, Buddy,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I have gotten the same notes. She then says she's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: tired of my truck and the garage smelling like a skunk.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: He says, I didn't get spray, so it's not that bad.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: But she can just get a little whiff of it
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: here and there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I bet it's probably worth.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: Terrible.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, buddy, Let me finish up.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: He goes on, I am in a predicament. I love
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: my wife, but I'm not about to sell all my
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: trap and stuff and sign my son up for piano lessons.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: What should I do? Is there a happy medium in
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: my situation? Ps? If y'all need a new turkey spot
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, I'd love to take you out Bryce from Oklahoma. Here.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: That odor is one of the those odors. Let me
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: put to you this way. My dad always like to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: tell story. When he was a little boy, he lived
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: by a foundry an all day long. Don't from the foundry.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: People would say, they'd come to his neighborhood and people go,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: what is that noise, to which people in the neighborhood go,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: what noise? Mhmm, right, You, my friend, might be acclimated.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You might be getting acclimated to the skunk smelly?
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: Am I the only person and I have I'm not
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: in a household where skunks get trapped. If I drive
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: by it, I just never you know, pleas I never
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: think it's bad. It doesn't.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: By proximity road kills skunk is nothing but run over
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a road kills skunk and get a little bit of
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: it stuck up under your vehicle and it just stays
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: there for two weeks.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: But it doesn't smell like it doesn't smell rotten like
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: things that would turn me off. Is like something that's
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: like rotting.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: I had my cat come home at two in the
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: morning drenched in skunk, and that completely altered my brain,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: which rewired, and I hate I can't do it now
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: because my heart house smelled like it for a week.
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: This thing is it can like make something smell just
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: by being near. It goes the air and coats. Like
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: remember we were in that you were we were out
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: at Jake's place and you were skinning that skunk and
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: we had a couple of beaver thighs sitting like ten
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: feet away to eat, oh nowhere near, and you couldn't
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: eat those.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, years ago, Remember we auctioned off in the auction
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: house of bodies, that bottle of genuine skunk.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, since I do.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So. We were extracting that with hypodermic needles. You buy
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it murdocks like hard like large boarder cattle injectors. Ye. Well,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: we were like surgical about doing it, and all I did.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to throw my hyperdermic needle.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: Out, so you washed it and kept it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't. There was the one oversight. So I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: had the hypodermic needle in my garage and my wife
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: is having a shit fit about the skunk smell in
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: her car on everything. I had a whole embarrassing thing
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: happened at the barber shop. So I'm like, Katie, there
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: is no nothing in that garage. It's just like a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: residual smell that'll dissipate. But it wouldn't. And I eventually
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: realized that hypodermic needle. So she's probably right. You're probably
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: wrong if you had a way to take your whole,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: well all aspects of your skunk operation to an outbuilding.
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: He needs a skin and shed, Yeah, just build a shed.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Or but you might not have that. You might not
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: have that luxury It might just have to be the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: you teller. Trapping season don't last all year, I don't know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Or you take the whole entire operation and they don't
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: park your truck in the garage, the entire operation. When
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you walk out of your shed, you walk out of
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: your shed in your underwear.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's already in tears.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: So I think, I don't know if the trapping season
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: is only part of the year is going to work.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I think I think he needs to start looking at
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the shed, looking at the naked the more dramatic step here.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But he might not.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: My story about the hyper dermot needle is being you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: have to take entire operation boots, gloves, hat, clothes, truck, backpack.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: The entire operation has to move to where you When
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you walk away from skunk Land, you walk away in
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: your underwear.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: To be fair, you love your wife and kids very much,
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: but you haven't moved your operation off site.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not doing twenty skunks.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: True.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I'm good for like a skunk, I mean a skunk now,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: A handful of like you know, this guy, might you know,
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: be a little more thoughtful than you.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She is crying.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: I think he's a little bit hard on the piano lessons.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of value in piano lessons.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: He's making a point, but yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Point. You know, I'm just saying, maybe he could use
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: his proceeds pay for some piano lessons and say, look
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: what the kids getting out of it?
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: As long as that kid hasn't been handling a skunk.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: He's got the kid.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Skunks are black and white, pianos are black and white.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Good point, man, it all goes together. Yeah, I think
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: he was making a point. I don't. I don't think
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: skunk trapping and piano plant are totally incompatible. But I
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: think that you would find you would find that there
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is an inverse correlation to prowess on the piano and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: prowess as a skunk trapper. I think that you would
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: find that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Does Dale Brisbye know about these high skunk traps?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I told them about it, and he said, I'm not
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that broke. I didn't want to take it up with him.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want to argue about it. I thought he
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: was wrong. Here's some news from Massachusetts. This is fascinating
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: something I hadn't really thought about. Well, I have thought
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: about it. Listeners will know that in the past I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: had it was it remains unresolved. Unsolved. There's an unsolved
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: mystery where I there was a fish heist in our office,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: know how it's still it was in our last office. Yeah,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: there was a major fish heist in our last office
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and it was never solved. Someone stole a small fortune's
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: worth of seafood and we never called them, never caught them.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But check this out.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I thought I was allowed to take that stuff.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: There have been these like high profile, like organized crime level.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: So this is a story reported in Forbes from Massachusetts,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: these like well organized, high profile thefts of massive amounts
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of seafood, and the gist of the article saying, when
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you like these aren't these aren't things with barcodes and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: serial numbers.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: That's the reason they like them.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like you're stealing lobster. So like unmarked,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: like completely unmarked stuff. That's very easy. See it's something
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I never thought of. Like a big load of seafood
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: on a truck is very hard to track. Yeah, it's
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it's hard to track, and it's easy to move. It's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: easy to move. They got these guys that just stole
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: forty thousand like hear me out forty thousand pounds of
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: lobster meat from a warehouse in Massachusetts, estimated to be
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: worth four hundred thousand dollars. The lobster was supposed to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: go to costcos in Illinois and Minnesota.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: You think that's like king crab legs in the show,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: or do you think it's lobster? But then they're sorry lobster.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: So I keep seeing lobster meat, I feel like it
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: must be tail. Would you picture going to a cost
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: co and finding tails?
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Tails?
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: Sometimes it's not picked.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: They're not like the main lobster tails.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They're the no, these aren't rotic lives or tails, spine,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the spiny lobster tails. Yeah, when it keeps pointing out meat,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming they're not moving live lobster, but maybe like tails.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And they're like they're at the time it is reporting,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: they're pointing out that it's already gone on the black.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Market for half price, which that's what my takeaway, Yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: getting more black market lobster.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: They probably these thieves probably moved at two hundred thousand dollars.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: But this guy goes on to say that you're probably
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: seeing or you're probably seeing and when you hear about
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: how this stuff goes on. This analyst here is saying,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you're seeing old school organized crime intersecting with cybercrime. These
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: guys basically not basically, these criminals impersonated a legitimate trucking company. Okay,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they go to a warehouse with a truck, it's labeled
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and everything, and they know about the they know about
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the lobster being there, they know about the shipment happening.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: They pose as the legitimate shipper.
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: Well, they like it's like identity theft, Like they get
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: the account numbers and all the information.
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: It's both like physical on the trucks, and then like
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: on the back end with the communications.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: They've hacked all the delivery information.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: They have a fraudulent load listing. And then they got
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: their guy comes in, they got dispatchers.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Right, very sophisticated stuff.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: And then they drive off and they drive off and
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: then the actual truck shows up looking for the lobster
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: that they already took off.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That's a good part of the movie.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great part of the movie.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: It's just two hundred thousand.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Seems like, I know, it's like it's too risky for that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Right, it seems like, is it enough, I would say
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: if you were telling me, oh, well, they've done it
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: hundreds of times over which later we learned that there
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: was a crab that I think, what did you say annually?
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: What was the number annually? It was in the billions,
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: wasn't it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And they could be involved with all kinds. They
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: could be picking up televisions and computers, and they could
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: be doing this with all different kinds of stuff.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But this this being reported, like, this is going to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: make their lives more difficult. But yeah, there's been other
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: seafood heightsts. Yeah, but the part of it, I mean,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it's all interesting. The part of it was interesting to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: me is that you're just able to move huge that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you can just move black market huge quantities of seafood.
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: But if you said it, like you said, if it's
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: organized crime, they probably already have those connections, right, Like
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: they know they know how.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: To move forty thousand pounds lot.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: So this is all told.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Cargo theft is estimated to be a thirty five billion
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: dollar loss the National Insurance Crime Bureau. Yeah, that includes
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: that includes electronics, pharmaceutical.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: But point about the net unless you're doing this, unless
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: they're just doing this all the time. If you imagine
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that you're a one off criminal enterprise and you have
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: this where you got you got four people involved, six
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: people involved, and in the end you net two hundred
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: thousand bucks.
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: That's not even net, that's not your retirement plan.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: It's so easy for them to do. I wonder how
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: much the crab heist was. And then there's other, you know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: seafood heist going on, so maybe they just have it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: And they can just quickly easy and is another big one.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I think we've even covered that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Well, this has covered the glass eel deal.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: This is how you get to the the classic film
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: trope of one last heist, because they need to do
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: one last heist so.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That they can finally ride off into the sunset.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the forty pounds of lobster was good, but
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: if we can get another forty thousand pounds of lobster,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Doing this anymore.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, you know, like.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: The town I've paid these oceans films. Yeah, exactly.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Florida bear hunt results, harvest results. We've covered this a
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: whole bunch Florida a decade ago. This is we always
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: tell the stories. Was one of my favorite kind of
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like I don't know wildlife policy stories of the last
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: decade or so is Florida ran a bear hunt a
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: decade ago and their first bear hunting forever, I can't
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: remember exactly how long, but their first hunt in decades,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: they ran a bear hunt. When they put together the
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: bear hunt, they decided on a quota system, so it
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: was an open hunt with a cap and it's like
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: anyone with a license can go out and hunt bears.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: And their plan was to shut the license, to shut
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the hunt down at three hundred bears, I think is
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: what it was, and they within a couple of days
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: hit their quota. In some of the units, they hit
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: their quota right away. When they built it in, they
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: built in that there was a twenty four hour window,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: so as they approached their bear quota, people have to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: report the bear as soon as they kill it. As
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: they approached the bear quota, their plan was to shut
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it down, but there was a twenty four hour window
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: to shut it down. During that twenty four hour period,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the hunters were killing so many bears in Florida that
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: during the twenty four hour shutdown period some units in Florida,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the bear harvest overshot the quota in a couple units,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and so in two days of this open hunt in Florida,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: in a two day span, they killed three hundred bears,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: all right, and the anti hunters, the animal rights folks,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: had a conniption about this. They felt like, oh my god,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: they botched the whole thing. They killed too many bears.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: On the flotside, that was half of the reality. The
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: other half of the reality was people said, man, we
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: must have a lot of bears. Right. There's two ways
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of looking at this whole story, but it was a
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: real black eye for Florida. Florida didn't do any bear
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: hunts now. They just did another bear hunt. And on
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: this bear hunt, they tried a new model. On this
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: bear hunt, they tried a tag draw model where they
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: did a lottery to give out a smaller handful of
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: bear tags. What happened, as we reported on previous shows,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: what happened is the animal rights people all come in
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and they start saying, Hey, we're gonna go apply for
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: bear tags and then not use them. So they're gonna
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: give out the requisite They're gonna give out the allotted
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: number of bear tags. Any you guys, They're gonna we're
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: gonna award one hundred and seventy two bear tags. And
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the animal rights people are like, yeah, but we're gonna
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: get all those bear tags and not use them. Prior
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to the hunt, the Fish and Wildlife Commission in Florida,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: their basic attitude was, go ahead, buddy, because you're just
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: buying licenses and funding our agency by buying licenses. Next year,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: we'll take the formula and we'll adjust if our objective
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: is to kill let's say whatever. Let's say their objective
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: is to kill a hundred bears. If you do your
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: little scheme and we give out a hunt, let's say
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: we gave out two hundred tags expecting to kill one
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: hundred bears, and we give out two hundred tags and
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: kill fifty bears, well guess what. Next year, we'll give
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: out four hundred tags and we're going to get it right.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Buy all the fake licenses you want. We thank you
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: for the money, was their attitude. Well, they did their hunt,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and lo and behold, they came in. They ran the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: season from December sixth to December twenty eight. They had
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a good hunt, but they came in below objective.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: But oh, is that clear that it's that the objective
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: was to kill one hundred and seventy two.
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: That's a bad number of tags issue.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they killed fifty two, and I think that they
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: had they had they were comfortable with a much larger harvest.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: What was the harvest they were comfortable with.
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: I don't know if they said they said a number.
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: They just said that they're they're like, the success rate
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: was lower than they had planned on, but it's still
• 51:26
  Speaker 9: pretty good.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Yep, they're pleased. But it was on the low end
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: of expected. So here's here's the grey irony. Here's what
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: always happens. This happened. Let me give you another verse. Well,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: let me tell you what happened. I'll give you another
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: example to happen. So the animal rights community says, we're
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: going to screw your bear hunt and we're going to
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: apply for all these tags and then don't hunt them. Okay,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: So they do the hunt, They issue one hundred and
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: seventy two tags, they kill, Remember me, Agan, how many
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: got round fifty? They killed fifty two bears? What is
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the animal rights community say? The lack of success these
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: hunters had goes to show there aren't enough bears to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: support the hunt. It's like in California. When California banned
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: using hounds to mountain lion hunt, the efficacy rate plummeted,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: So they ban the use of hounds. The Animal rights
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: or the group's petition, they banned the use of hounds
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to hunt. Then you see in the following years, efficacy
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: rate of lion hunting drops drops drops because you can't
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: use hounds to hunt. Where do they go and say,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, mountain lion efficacy rates are so low.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Now it must be there's no lions. So they create
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: a scenario and then they use that scenario turn around
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and use it against the wildlife manager. So here they're
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: making the case, jeez, it went so shittily thanks to
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: us doing what we did. That now we can turn
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: around and use that low harvest against the agency by saying,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: must not be that many bears. Success rates are very low,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: even though we're all sitting on tags that we didn't hunt.
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it'd be interesting to know how many of those
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: tag holders were deliberately not gonna hunt and then go
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: with a success rate based on that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: You know, yep, he goes. They go on to say,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: they go in their press release, they say Hey, the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: hunter's success rate was very close to other states with
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: similar hunt parameters.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Do you know if that's it? Good?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad for him. I mean, if they had
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: had a mistake again, right, let's say they had given
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy two tags, I don't know what
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: their objective was. If they gave one hundred and seventy
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: two and one hundred and seventy two people killed a bear,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: then I don't know. Then they'd be people would be
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: using that against them. It'd be another like what a slaughter?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: You know, So here's the moving forward.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Yep, can non reds apply for that tag?
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not aware. That's a great question, i'd assume.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm not positive. Man, I wanted to get all into.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: This is just you can probably hit it lightly because
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: public comments is open non resident.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump reviews federal subsistence program in Alaska. Now Here,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this is a doozy. I stated to get in this
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: because this is an hour long conversation and it's not
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: settled yet.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: Right, Maybe light touched a lot about how it's not settling.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Come back to sixty percent of Alaska's federal land. In Alaska,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: there is a thing called federal subsistence hunting, where people
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that live in rural communities in Alaska and in defined
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: rural areas in Alaska. Residents of defined rural areas in
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Alaska can often hunt and fish on federal lands under
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: different regulations than everybody else. It's the it's federal subsistence.
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: So on there's three tiers, right, there's native, then there's
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: like residence subsistence, and then there's like there's state's kind
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: of recreation.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Well, there's there's here's why it takes an hour because
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: there's state subsistence. So here here's an example. Let's say
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you're a resident of Alaska. There are some harvests that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: are state subsistence harvests, for instance, sablefish or black codon
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that's state subsistence. You could live in downtown Anchorage and
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: go and you can travel to an area that has
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: a state subsistence hunt or a state subsistence fishery and
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you can participate in the area. So you could be
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: from an urban area but participate in a state subsistence
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: hunt as long as you're in the area where the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: state subsistence hunt occurs. For federal subsistence practices, on federal lands,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: you have to be a resident of that area. Okay,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you can do federal subsistence activities in your area, and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: it might be increased bag limits, earlier hunting seasons, fisheries
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that aren't open to other people, and it's that's the
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: federal subsistence thing. What it allows is you can't the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: state can't go in on some issues. They can't go
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: in and make hunting seasons and fishing opportunities that are
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: applied solely to Native Alaskans. What they can do is
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: they can say on federal lands, they can say, if
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: you live in this area, and it might be a
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: predominantly Native area, if you live in this area, you
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: have different rules and regulations for hunting and fish certain
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing practices on federal lands. Many oftentimes and
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: this is this is my personal view, some of the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Federal Subsistence Board decisions are there's some areas where they
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: have some major overreach in my view as the outsider
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: looking in, you mean, like being.
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: Too liberal with what they allow some people to do.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: No, not as much that as they've They've created a
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: lot of controversy in Alaska by making certain things like
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: in Western Brooks Range that like caribou hunting, moose hunting
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: for big game, you know, whatever decision that says it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: it's federal subsistence only, meaning that people from other parts,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: not people from outside the state. Not only people from
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: outside the state, but people from outside of that area
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: can no longer hunt that area or taking sheep doll
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: sheep units in the range and the Federal Subsistence Board
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: coming in and saying only Federal subsistence people can hunt
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: this hunt, and it could be what they've allowed to
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: creep into their decision making process is not necessarily the
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: health of the species being hunted, but it's social considerations,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: meaning people communities in the western Brooks Range say hey,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: we're sick of people from outside of our area coming
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: in to hunt. So the Federal Subsistence Board saying, okay,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: we'll make it that they can't. That has caused an
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: enormous amount of controversy in certain areas. The Federal Subsistence
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Board just made a very strange decision. They came in
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: and declared catch a can Alaska to be Federal subsistence eligible.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: So now you have a town that has a Walmart
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and a Starbucks and.
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: A bunch of crappy gift shops for cruise people.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: And gift stores. It's a full on town with an airport.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: The Federal Subsistence Board shocked everybody, most everybody, and came
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  Speaker 1: in and said, ketch a Can is federal subsistence.
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  Speaker 7: On what grounds? But like from their perspective, if they're
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: putting forth this on serious grounds, what are they claiming?
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: There are there are people who could benefit.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Here's the here's the I'll give you the best argument.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know I tried to understand that they.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Can't because there's a there's a there are a lot
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: of Native Alaskans in ketcha Can, right, and you can't
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: grant They can't grant just Native Alaskans, right, yep. So
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you have indigenous people in ketcha Can, they can't grant
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: them these these honey fishing privileges on that you can
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: only grant it to the tribes right under federal subsistence.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: But the minute you do that for federal you can't.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: So you have to say the jurisdiction. Everyone living in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: this jurisdiction. So now that the guy I know that
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Walmart owns Walmart, but the guy that owns the grocery
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: store is now federal subsistence and they can do hunting
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: and fishing practices like.
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  Speaker 7: In practice, in practice, if that's lived out, will that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: still end up benefiting tribal members who they're seeking to.
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  Speaker 1: That tribal members were instrumental in petitioning, like Native Alaskans
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: from the area were instrumental in petitioning to get federal
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  Speaker 1: subsistence status, But the federal subs assistance status falls of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the whole town. And many people quite rightfully are looking
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: at the irony of taking a town that has chain hotels,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: a Super eight, a Walmart, cruise ship docks, Delta Airline flights,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Alaska Airline flights, United Airline flights, a ferry system, cars,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: like taking a full on city, a full on urban
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: center and saying you need to you Basically you're saying
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  Speaker 1: you people rely on a subsistence lifestyle and should be
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  Speaker 1: granted subsistence harvest authority, and other people looking at being like,
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  Speaker 1: how in the world can you live in a town
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: with a Walmart and an airport and be reliant on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: subsistence practices?
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  Speaker 5: And why I know you said earlier that they can't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: give it, just give it to the natives, and why is.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: That it's unconstitutional. I don't know the full legal history
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: of why that can't happen. It's unconstitutional. Here's what else
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: makes this story interesting. Where a lot of this subsistence
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: activity is going to wind up taking place is on
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: another town and another island that already has because another
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: island that very much is rural and is very remote,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and the people on that island have federal subsistence. So
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: now people out there are like, oh man, wait a minute,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: where do you think they're going to be doing all
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: this federal subsistence activity. It's going to be in our
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: federal subsistence area. So now you got one. You got
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: people from one federal subsistence area who are like, dude,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: you people aren't rural, and I know you're all coming
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: to our area to hunt. Yeah. So, for these various reasons,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: when I laid out about stuff from doll sheep units,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm not even fully like I have very complex
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: personal thoughts about this whole thing, I'm trying to as
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: much as possible lay out the issue that will cover
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: when we cover this. We're going to cover this big
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: time later.
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  Speaker 5: This is the light touch.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: This is the light touch. It's so complicated.
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  Speaker 9: The thing is where like if it goes through like
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: what's to stop like Anchorage or Fairbanks from you know
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 9: what I mean?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So sci Safari Club International has a thing they've asked,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: this has been put forward. They have asked the administration,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: the current administration, to do a review of Hey, what
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: is going on with the federal subsistence program in Alaska?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: And a couple of the questions are raising is they've
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: recently added new board members, So it's like, what is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: up with the what is up with who is on
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the board? Are we talking about health of wildlife species
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: or are we talking about social friction? What is the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: decision making process? What are some of the things that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: happened lately, and just basically doing a review of the process.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Native groups in Alaska are worried about this. What's that said?
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to hearing more.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do a full cover on it.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the timeline on this? Like as far as them.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: You read that from exacting up then we're gonna move
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: on other news stories.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, public comments by February thirteenth.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of February thirteenth and Safari Club hold on it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: What am I going down there? So I'm trying to
• 1:04:42
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• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:54
  Speaker 9: Where are they taking comments?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Is not?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 7: Oh you mean when you're going to.
• 1:05:00
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• 1:05:00
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• 1:05:24
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• 1:05:29
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• 1:05:37
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  Speaker 1: not me. Mountain lion kills women in Colorado. A hiker.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: They even give her name, Kristin Marie Kovach, forty six
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: years old, killed on New Year's Day in northern Colorado.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, brod, this is your neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 9: I was right outside Estes Park, which is right outside
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  Speaker 9: Rocky Mountain National Park, where you like kind of resorties,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: touristy town, popular hiking trail and some other fight hikers.
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  Speaker 5: Have you personally hiked that trail?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 9: I mean I may have back when, way back when,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 9: when I lived in Boulder.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I mean I've been in that area a bunch. But
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 9: either way, some other hikers founder and uh, it was
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: determined she had been killed by a mountain lion. They
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: went in and I think killed two juveniles. And I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 9: don't know where they're at with getting the.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: The lion that I heard from I heard through the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: grapevine that they were looking for the adult.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I haven't heard whether. I mean, you'd think they
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: would have got on that line pretty quick, but who knows.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I yeah, but yeah, of course it would be if
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  Speaker 1: it's like a predatory.
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  Speaker 9: But you know, like the whole thing kind of goes
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: to whether like lions attack more people in states where
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: they don't get hunted versus where they do. Like line
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 9: hunting is legal in Colorado, it might not take place
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: a lot in this particular area. But it's like when
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: you get into that whole thing, it's like it happens
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  Speaker 9: so rarely that it's.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Like it remains a non issue. Yeah, exactly, But it
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: remains a non issue. If we covered people getting zap
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: by lightning, like we always covered people getting killed by
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: wild if we covered people getting zapp by lightning, we
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: would have a lot we would there would be much
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: more coverage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: One thing I saw was that the on that same trail,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: a guy was attacked in the fall and he hit
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: it with a stick and managed to scare it off.
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  Speaker 3: But then I guess there have also been cases of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: people walking pets in that area that have had their
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: pets attacked, so it seems.
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  Speaker 9: It's probably a lion. That's just like, it's not like
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  Speaker 9: this is out in the middle of nowhere, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy was the guy was encountered encountered a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: lion in November when he was running and it rushed him,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: but he beat it off.
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  Speaker 1: So it seems like they're here. Here's the crazy probabi.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Thanks Phil, What are you gonna bleep out?
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  Speaker 5: Just just move on.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Here. Here's here's where this whole thing with mountaine attacks
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: gets weird. Is you had that you had that summer.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: This is a few handful of years ago now where
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Washington State had its first ever recorded human fatality from
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: a mountain lion attack. Yeah, and then right on the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: heels of that, I think it was in this order,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Oregon had its first one in something like ninety years
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: right together, and then a bunch of other high profile cases.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: We had a kid on who's sitting right where yann
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: he's sitting right now, who him and his brother were
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: attacking and his brother was killed in a mountain lion attack.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, it seems beyond seems like it it seems
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: as though you're seeing more and more there's different explanations
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: to be like, there's more lines on the landscape, there's
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: more people on the landscape, there's more recreation on the landscape.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: One of the more interesting things someone has mentioned to me,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: we have a friend who works in mountain lion depredation issues,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: works problem lines things, spent his whole career on mountain lions.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: He had like just an observation from throughout his career.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: He was in the Pacific Northwest, and it's like just
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  Speaker 1: an it's an individual, it's a very well informed individual's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: observation that early in his career, any mountain lion that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: brushed up against like the human lion barrier was was
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: a dead lion. He's like, in the old days, if
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: a lion came on someone's porch, it was a dead lion.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: If a lion came through town, it was a dead lion.
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  Speaker 1: He says, as tolerance has increased, and as people have
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  Speaker 1: been reluctant to they like, oh, look, that's so cool,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: there's a lion on my porch. Which he's not passing
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: judgment on it, but he's saying, as tolerance an acceptability
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  Speaker 1: of lions has increased as people have gotten comfortable with wildlife,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and people have gotten where it's not. You know, you
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: don't call the cops because you saw a mountain lion
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  Speaker 1: cut across your backyard. He says, I would expect to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: see more of this sort of thing happen. It doesn't
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: mean that it's becoming like a pandemic. It doesn't mean
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: it's becoming like anything other than a freak occurrence, because,
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  Speaker 1: like I would expect to see that with increased tolerance,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you're going to have increased interactions.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and those lions that are experiencing increased tolerance also
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 9: developed their own increased tolerance for being around people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know they're like, oh no, no, they're not
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  Speaker 1: a problem. You can go right up to them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they don't do anything.
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  Speaker 9: But to demonstrate like how rare it is. At first,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: when I read this sentence, I thought it was funny,
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  Speaker 9: but then I thought about it. It was the first
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: fatal attack in Colorado by a mountain lion in this century,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: And you're like, oh, wow, was it? But this century
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: is twenty five years so and.
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  Speaker 1: Where was the guy? Remember the guy that put that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: one in a stranglehold?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was a strangle babe. Wasn't that Colorado?
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  Speaker 5: I believe it was.
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  Speaker 9: It was that little It was a little line.
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  Speaker 5: It was like a juvie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Was it also Colorado where there are four old ladies.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Was Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Another thing bikes, bikes seem to have like a lot
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: of there. There seemed to be a lot of mountain
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: biking incidents with lions.
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  Speaker 9: I'm okay with that.
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  Speaker 2: And there was the one.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a grizzly bear up by glacier that ended
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: up killing a guy on a bike. But it's like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: as more and more people are traveling quickly and silently
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: in the woods, he hit that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was.
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  Speaker 1: A weird story because the dude hit it. Yeah, the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: dude behind him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really No, the dude.
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  Speaker 1: Behind him, I believe boogied. Mhmm, took off. The guy
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  Speaker 1: that hit the bear got killed by the bear. Also
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: in Colorado. Take it away, Brody.
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  Speaker 9: Back to the wolf desk in Colorado. Yeah, people think.
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  Speaker 1: The wolf where the wolf desk intersects with the raft
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  Speaker 1: of the administration.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, come on, it's not just a theory.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, here's the deal.
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  Speaker 9: Let's let's argue after we talk about.
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  Speaker 1: But you got to include the water deal. Oh, we will, Okay,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: So the FED, we talk about Colorado wolves all the time.
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  Speaker 9: They're kind of out of standstill right now with getting
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  Speaker 9: new ones to introduce because the FED said, you can't
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  Speaker 9: get them from Alaska, you can't get them from Canada.
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  Speaker 9: Now they've stepped in and said, if you don't comply
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  Speaker 9: with certain like showing us certain like record keeping things
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: and and and certain practices, you're going to do down
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 9: the line and introducing more wolves. Like if you don't
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  Speaker 9: comply with what we say, we're just gonna shut down
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  Speaker 9: your whole reintroduction program and we're going to take over
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: management of wolves in the state of Colorado. So that's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 9: that's the uh, that's what's going on. Some of the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: reasons for stepping in where that Colorado knowingly introduced livestock killers,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: that Colorado released wolves last January without really letting anyone
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  Speaker 9: know when and where they were going to do it.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: So there's like tension between Colorado and the Federal the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: US Fish and Wildlife as far as management policies.
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  Speaker 1: And then they went outside the country to get the
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  Speaker 1: wolves yeh, which was not part of their management.
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  Speaker 9: They ultimately yeah, I mean they tried everywhere, and ultimately
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  Speaker 9: I think got some from British Columbia after the.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they brought in the state currently has twenty to
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  Speaker 1: thirty wolves, several new pups born in twenty twenty five.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Fifteen they brought in fifteen from Canada, and.
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  Speaker 9: I think they've I forget the exact number, like, out
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  Speaker 9: of the total number they've introduced, I think they've maybe
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: killed again, look it up real quick, but I think
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  Speaker 9: they've They've had to like lethally remove ten of the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: ones that.
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  Speaker 1: I know that they I know that they have, and
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I know that that was even done in a very
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: some of that was done in a pretty low key fashion.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: They had one boogie over to New Mexico.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, which is very close to a population of endangered
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: Mexican gray wolves.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: That one killed some that one killed some livestock, and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: they brought it back home.
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  Speaker 9: What'd your buddy cook think about that?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I haven't asked them anyway.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: So possible outcomes here a complete federal takeover where Colorado CPW,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: Colorado Parks and Wildlife has no authority to manage wolves
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: in their own state, and the Feds could come in
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: and kill the wolves. That are there, they could relocate
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: them like Colorado wouldn't have a say, the reintroduction could
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: be halted.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 9: So it's pretty interesting considering what else is going on
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: at the same time as this. There's a bill moving
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: through Congress right now, like the House just approved delisting wolves.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: It hasn't gone through the Senate yet, and I don't
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: know that it'll make it through the Senate. But that
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: would throw a wrench into this whole thing, true, because
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: then the Feds might not have the power to do
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: what they want to do here. But there's also like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: this big beef going on between Trump and Polis.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 9: You know, Trump has beefs with a lot of governors
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: from Democratic states. There was a water program.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: But he had that little hugathon with the new mayor
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: of New York.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Did they love each other?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Which if I think of like a threat to America,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I think of that dude. Yeah, a lot of threats
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: that he's not managing wolves anywhere though, ye.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: But yeah, so like what was their name, Tina Peters?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: Right, so there was the woman that what did she do? Randall?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: She was like she she was an elections clerk and she.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: After she certified the.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 9: Election, messing with stuff.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: She yeah, she lets someone come in and copy the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: hard drives off of their voting machines and gave them
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: passwords to the voting machines and did a bunch of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: So she some some random guy from the internet.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: She got convicted of that, like violating her charter as
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: an elections official.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: Trump pardoned her, but she was convicted under a on
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: a state charge, so it was like a symbolic symbolic pardon,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: and Polis is like, yeah, it doesn't mean anything.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Trump didn't like that, and then he blocked this water bill. Yes,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the Laura Bobart was behind Lauren. Yeah. Yeah. And then
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: she said, well, this is all about Epstein and other
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: people are like, no, it's all about Yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: Now I doubt Trump is like dig into like Wolf
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: management in Colorado, but.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all in Brody's mind. In Brody's mind.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: I think it all comes back to the they have beef.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: They have beef, for sure, Yeah, they have beef. And
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we're gonna make your life difficult. And
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: and Polis and Polus's husband are big Wolf supporters. They are,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: so it could be He's like, I'm gonna stick it
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: to young wolves too now. But he's got in that
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: way though. This has been the state has by and large.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: If they had called me, I would have said, here's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: what I think you'll do about wolves, and it would
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: not have been what they did. Yeah.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 9: That like, they bungled a lot of stuff badly unfortunately,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: because I have a lot of like love for Colorado
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 9: Parks and wildlife. They I think they do a lot
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: of great stuff. I just think this wolf thing was
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: but this wasn't them.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: You can't. You can't the architects of this.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 9: But they got there. They were in charge of of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 9: releasing the wolves.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: They liken underdress that look.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 9: The director of CPW resigned because he was going to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 9: get canned over the wolf thing.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: But they did just for you know, I'm telling listeners,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: you already know the story. There was a there was
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a ballad initiative. In the ballad initiative, I can't remember
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: the language, but the ballad initiative, when it passed, it
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: set in motion the state agency.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they were.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: They used to make a plan and execute on a plan,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: and they were very quick to do it. They were.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: When I talked about the bungling is the world got
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: very complicated for them as well. If you remember, because
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: wolves were walking in from Wyom. It like everything got weird.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: And then other states were like, and I don't know
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: why this is. Other states like I'm not giving you wolves.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: No one besides the state agency directors probably will ever
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: know why that decision was made. I think the wild Idaho,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Colorado would say I'm not giving you our wolves.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: Not Wyoming, Montana and Idaho.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Sorry what I said, now, if someone could come explain
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: to me, like what what phone conversation led to them
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: saying We're not helping you out by giving you wolves
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: which we're hunting.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean there had like there has been word
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: out of Wyoming. They're like, we're not gonna help you
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: put more wolves around our borders that can come back
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: and yeah, but like if you put more wolves in Colorado,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: more wolves go back into.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: What like sure they'll want to get back home. Yeah.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: So that's and then and then they tried to work
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: with they tried to work with tribal entities they did
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to get wolves, and then you know, I remember, you know,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: one was like, hey, you can have some of these
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: ones that were dealing death to cattle.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: But they also the tribal thing didn't work out because
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: they wanted the tribal like wildlife managers in Colorado to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: be able to have their own management authority over wolves
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: that would end up in Colorado on reservations there, and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: they didn't agree to that anyway.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Whether or not, it's like the vindictiveness of the administration
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: and they are I mean, they are some vengeful cats. Yep.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Like if that is driving this, I don't know, but
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: I like, sure maybe, but I could picture this becoming
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: an issue because this was a real This has been
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: a sore This has been a sore subject for a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: lot of agricultural producers in Colorado. And these are people
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: that will have the ear that will have the ear
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: of the administration yep. And basically they're saying, you need
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: to be you need the mandate to call Colorado is
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: you need to operate with a lot more clarity about
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: what's going on and what's your plan and whoever you moved,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: what wolves are you moved where? And what did they do?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and they've got to provide all that information and
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 9: those plan details by February eighteenth, So a little over
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: a month from now, we'll have some more information on this.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Here's the funny part. Here's like another part about why
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: this why their plan is peculiar. Colorado, So they got
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: what do they got right now? Twenty to thirty? I
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: think Colorado's goal is thirty to fifty. They have no
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: mechanism in place. They don't even have a prayer of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: a mechanism in place to do any population control on
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: wolves right thirty. When you say thirty to fifty, it's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: like you are just you are baiting. My kids use
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the term rage baiting, like for me to rage big
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: rand I don't know how about that rage band rand
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: say something to provoke, say sith, I know it's going
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to pay y'all. Yeah, it's easy to rage bait Randall.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I was rage baiting you recently about some issue. I
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: can't remember what it was. I think it was like
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: gender issues around sports participations. I was rage bait and
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Randall he was sitting right rare, sitting right now, very effectively.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I rage baited him. Now, I think when they go
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: and say like, oh no, we just want thirty to fifty,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you're like rage baiting wildlife managers because you're like, how
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: in the world, what do you mean you don't have
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: a pathway toward doing any kind of like control. There's
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: no way in the state of Colorado under current regular
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: rules and regulations, under the current administration, Colorado will never
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: stop it at that, will never have a hunt. These
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: are the same people that almost just damn near shut
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: down bobcat hunting, mountain lion hunting. Colorado is never gonna
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: have with this governor, Colorado will never have a wolf hunt.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: So when they're like, oh, we just want thirty.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 9: To fifty, they stop.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: But what stops it at fifty? Yeah, it's it's lunacy.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: It's like you're gonna have the way you have it
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: set up, You're gonna have whatever the carrying capacity of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the state is, which is way more than that.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 9: It's a lot. Considering how many in the state of College.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: It's like you have hundreds. When you say thirty to fifty,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, what would get what would give you that number?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 9: How many? How many are in Montana?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Do we know seven hundred or something?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 9: Eightndred, Colorado's got twice as many.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Elk as Man, don't say bleep that outfiit until we
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: get the right number over one thousand, Okay, that's pretty good.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Actually leave it in there. You make that louder.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 9: Sure, but we'll know more in the month.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, if they so a couple of things to watch.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Here is a again, and I don't know what this
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: will happen. Members of Congress are looking to dlist. This
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: is where it is all. All this stuff gets so tricky.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Members of Congress are moving to DLST wolves in the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: lower forty eight. So the House already has Yeah, so
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: how previous administrations, how wolves have been managed? They've been
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: managed by these distinct populations. So we talked about well,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Northern Great Lakes, so the wolves in northern Michigan, Northern Wisconsin,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: northern Minnesota. We've toyed with do we dlist that little
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: clump or not? And then we had this big conversation
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: do we dlist in.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: Well they did dlist, they did, but I'm saying we
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 9: used to talk about the wolf habitat as chunks.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: So we've had this long argument about the Northern Great
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Lakes list or d list. Oh so sorry, d list
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: or not? And then the Northern Rockies d list or not?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: And it's been a ping pong. In the Northern Great Lakes,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: they were delisted. Then they were relisted in the Northern Rockies.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: They were delisted so you could still be fighting about
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: like what about this little chunk of ground, what about
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: this little chunk of ground. Now they're saying, you know what, bro,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: We're done talking about little chunks. We're talking about the
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: country and not argue anymore about the Northern Great Lakes
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Just like they're like done with it now,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and it's like, this is one of the things. This
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: is one of the things where people in wildlife politics,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: this is one of the things where people go wrong.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Is you know Maduro the president of Venezuela.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 9: I've heard of them right now.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: A few days ago he had a great offer, not
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: if you did prior to him getting detained. He was
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: like like, here, listen, you, your cronies, your family, your henchmen,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: can go will drop sanctions and you can leave the
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: country and you can go and do be in exile
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: in Turkey. Take it or leave it. He didn't take it. Now,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting in the legality all I'm saying, they
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: laid it out. He said, nope, not doing it. Now.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: He's sitting in jail in Brooklyn or Manhattan wherever. Hell.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: He is my message, my message to my message to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: people in wildlife politics. You screwed up by fighting the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Northern Great Lakes. You've screwed up by fighting those agencies
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: and not delisting in the Northern Great Lakes. You're screwing
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: up by not delisting grizzly bears in the Northern Continental
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Divide ecosystem and in the Yellowstone the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Because what's gonna happen next is you're gonna you have
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: a good offer on the table, you didn't take it.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: And what's gonna happen next is you're gonna wind up
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: in a jail in Brooklyn, yep. Because they're gonna be like,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I'm done dealing with you. Guys.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 9: No wolves are listening, blanket blanket.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Because you shoot yourself in the foot by being unreasonable
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: all the time. I don't even know who I'm talking to.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: There are so many.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Do you follow me?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: Oh, I definitely follow It's.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Just like you. They should have never they should have
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: never blocked the D listing.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: You're not gonna get into the legality.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: We talked about this already.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: No no legality, here's the deal. But what I meant
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: by that, the legality meaning like, uh, my kid was like, hey,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: is what they did in Venezuela illegal? And I'm like,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: anything that happens outside of the country, any conversation about
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: being illegal or illegal is like by what mecham right,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: by what mechanism, Like, as far as I know, Putin's
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: not incarcerated, right, people like the invasion of Ukraine was illegal,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, what are you doing? We have our
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: who's not in jail?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: Trump's Joe procedure for generally how we enter.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Into our jurisdiction. Are what the point I was making,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I said, the legality of it is like within the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: US we have a system when when you start talking
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: about global leaders we're like, oh, what what they did
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: in North Korea was illegal? It's kind of like it's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: just it's academic. It's academic.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: Well, we have international governing Melosovich.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell that to Maduro. What I'm saying is generally,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: when you're talking about institutional law.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: I know, but when you're talking about when you're talking
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 8: about global actions, when you're talking about global actions that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: like nation states that take global actions, and then pundits
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 8: start talking about.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is legal, I just
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: tune it out because I'm like, it's inconsequential. This isn't partisan,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: I would say. I would say it's like, it's inconsequence.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: I would say it no, not to make it. I'm
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: not making it partisan. But I would say, like a
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: nation that it that is sanctioned by international bodies and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: they can't feed people. They suffer consequences for doing things
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: that are illegal under international law. It's like there are
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: there are It's when the big guy on the block
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: does it and there aren't consequences, it might still be illegal,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: but you get away with it. Yeah, but we but
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: international bodies enforce international law all the time.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: When Saudi Arabia, whoever in Saudi Arabe, when they killed
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: the journalist Koshogi mm hmm, people loved pointing out, boy,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: that's illegal, Like do you think do you think they care.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: Whether something is illegal?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: I don't remember people saying that was illegal.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: It was, but I don't remember. I don't remember.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 9: We're talking.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: No, but I don't remember the main talking point being
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: that this is illegal.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: Send your correction.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Here about this, because I don't know this is listen.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: No one listens to the show for international I don't know.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at internationals. I'm good at wildlife.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: Talking about.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I was trying here's the deal. I just made a mistake.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I was trying to draw some parallels, and I tiptoed
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: out of my area of expertise by drawing some parallels.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: The comment I made about the legality is the whether
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: or not, like the legality of US nabbing someone that
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: we have under indictment who happens to lead another country,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't getting into that. What I was getting
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: at was I was trying to draw parallels between when
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: you when people and this this cut list is like
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: a widespread issue. You have a sweet deal going and
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: you don't take it, then you wind up getting stumng.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: My message to people who wolf preservationists and grizzly bear
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: preservationists is you've had some very reasonable efforts from your
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: own agency. The US Fish and Wildlife Service has moved
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: to delist wolves in the Northern Great Lakes and for
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: the US Fish and Wildlife Service has moved the agency,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: the federal agency in that's responsible for the management of
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: the species, has moved to dlist for a very good reason,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: like because it because they met the recovery objectives. The
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: animal rights organizations through legal action, block those delistings. That
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: generates an enormous amount of hostility. And what you will
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: then find is that people in the political world, people
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: in leadership, are going to say, I'm now done playing around.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going around, and I'm doing it this way because
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sick of these little mm hmm, petty, isolated instant arguments.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Agree leaved out of it.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: You make a great if we still had creative names
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: for podcast episodes, that could.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: Be and anybody wanting to know about Wolf de listing
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 6: could obviously type.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Because here's the deal man, Yeah, because here's the deal
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: I am. I am a very avid reader of the news,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: but there's news that I understand the news that I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: try to understand. I understand wildlife news in America, but
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. I just read it like I like
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: to follow along, but I don't have informed opinion about it.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: So when I start talking about Venezuela, I would advise
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: a listening to just tune out, don't change, don't listen
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: to something different, but just turn it down. When I
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: start talking.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: On the football, we're no football.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, turn it down, no football, turn it up.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: You were like you were on a roll earlier today
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 7: you're talking about over time.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I tiptoed into some areas I shouldn't. We should
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: beleeve it all out. I tiptoed into some arias where
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  Speaker 1: I don't belong. I was just trying to be helpful.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to be helpful some people. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to be helpful.
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  Speaker 5: It works.
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  Speaker 1: Is that it for news today?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah? We gotta stay tuned for all these things. These
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  Speaker 7: are continuing, ongoing issues.
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  Speaker 1: Let's make a plan then people can listen in on
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  Speaker 1: the plan making. How are we gonna really tackle the
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  Speaker 1: whole soup to nuts on federal subsistence programming history.
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  Speaker 9: We need to do a whole episode on it. You
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  Speaker 9: got plenty of people we could be talking to from Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: Like I didn't bring up the anachronism anilka, but a
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  Speaker 1: Milka ties into this. We're gonna tackle it because the
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  Speaker 1: reason I want this isn't just for people. Here's here's
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  Speaker 1: why I want to tackle this. A lot of the
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  Speaker 1: stuff we talk about on the show, it's like there's
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  Speaker 1: the thing, and then there's the sort of context of
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  Speaker 1: the thing, and so all these issues and Danger Species
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  Speaker 1: Act stuff, wolf delisting, you know, federal subsistence, Florida bear hunting.
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  Speaker 1: They're all these little they're interesting news stories. They're interesting
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  Speaker 1: events and occurrences that had happened. But by learning about them,
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  Speaker 1: you learn about how the hunting regulars that you live under.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe you live in Indiana, which we haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: about today, you'll start to go like, oh, that's why
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  Speaker 1: stuff is the way it is where I live. By
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  Speaker 1: watching these things come up, and so it's more than
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  Speaker 1: just voyeurism of looking in at what's happening in other states,
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  Speaker 1: but it's I feel that it helps you better understand
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  Speaker 1: wildlife management where you live or where you go. Like
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  Speaker 1: the mechanisms at play, the terminology at play, the way
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  Speaker 1: that the Feds rub against the states, and they rub
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  Speaker 1: against the non governmental organizations and they rub against the
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  Speaker 1: and the animal rights lobbying arms, right, it's all. It
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  Speaker 1: all helps you put together a national picture of you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you go down to a river and you cast
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  Speaker 1: a baiting there and a fish bites and you pull
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  Speaker 1: the fish in, you go like, oh, that's why that
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  Speaker 1: fish is there, or that's why I can't keep that
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  Speaker 1: fish m hm.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and some of these saying like the Florida bear hunt,
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  Speaker 9: like might not seem like it's a national issue, but
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  Speaker 9: it is, like after what's happened in New Jersey and
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  Speaker 9: Washington and other places with bear hunting, like I consider
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  Speaker 9: it a national thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's national news. Buddy, mm hmmm. All right, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: You know what else we didn't get into m the
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  Speaker 1: whole shootout in Michigan over Oh yeah, the whole shootout
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan over wild boards.
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  Speaker 9: Buddy deadly Tedy.
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  Speaker 1: Text about it, but we text a lot about c
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  Speaker 1: w D, and he knows that he and I don't
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  Speaker 1: agree on c w D, so he likes to inundate
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  Speaker 1: me with things arguing his perspective. But because he's he's like, he, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we don't see eyed eye on it.
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  Speaker 7: Is there any other Is there any hog news coming
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  Speaker 7: out of other states? I haven't looked into that yet,
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  Speaker 7: Like populations.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know nothing super we're hot that I'm
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  Speaker 1: aware of. But the Michigan. We're gonna tell the Michigan.
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  Speaker 9: Something happened up in Canada.
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  Speaker 2: We're not still recording, are we, Phil?
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  Speaker 1: You should probably turn it off, Phil, you turn it off.
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  Speaker 7: Back, okay, bye see.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if no one has their head set on,
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea