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Killer Dad Chris Watts Claims He Is A New Man · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, Oh my stars, Chris Watts.
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  Speaker 2: The killer Dad.
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  Speaker 1: Can you just be quiet, go away, go serve your
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  Speaker 1: life sentence and shut your pie hole.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, that's not possible.
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  Speaker 1: In the last days, so called killer Dad Chris Watts.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't to even say his name. It tastes like
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  Speaker 1: dirt in my mouth. I'll say his wife's name, Shenanne Watts, beautiful, loving,
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  Speaker 1: hard working, supporting the family, mother of two little girls,
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  Speaker 1: Celeste and Bella. They were murdered too, mother to be
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  Speaker 1: a baby, Nico, her first son. They're all dead thanks
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  Speaker 1: to Dad Chris watts motive to be with one of his.
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  Speaker 2: Many many lovers.
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  Speaker 1: But in the last Days, emerging in the headline again
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  Speaker 1: go Away and his twisted prison letters claiming he's a
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  Speaker 1: quote new man and that God has forgiven him for
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  Speaker 1: murdering his pregnant wife and both of his daughters.
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  Speaker 2: Did God tell him that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know? I mean, is he grace? This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories? Thank you for being with us. I ain't
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  Speaker 1: even look at him. Why do women think he's attractive?
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  Speaker 1: He looks like the devil to me, absolutely, the devil
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  Speaker 1: killer Dacris Watts now claims he is a quote new
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  Speaker 1: man and God has forgiven him this, as he writes
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  Speaker 1: in prison for really horrific crimes and the disposal of
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  Speaker 1: his wife and little girls. As I recall it, the
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  Speaker 1: Anna Darko oil well grounds where he worked, his wife
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  Speaker 1: endured coffin birth. I don't know if in dear is
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  Speaker 1: actually the right word. After she died, she gave birth
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  Speaker 1: and her makeshift grave to baby Nico, who of course
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  Speaker 1: also died. I'm all for forgiveness. Lord knows I need
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  Speaker 1: it to.
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  Speaker 3: Dear.
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  Speaker 1: Lord.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're listening to that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that if he seeks forgiveness, he will
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  Speaker 1: get forgiveness from God.
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  Speaker 2: I do believe that he can also.
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  Speaker 1: Right behind Mars at the same time, they're not mutually exclusive.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The killer insists he is a quote new creature in
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  Speaker 1: recent handwritten letters to a female pen pal, A new creature,
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  Speaker 1: A creature. Yes, I don't know how new he is.
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  Speaker 2: Quote.
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  Speaker 1: I have always taken full responsibility for what I did. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: right there, that is a lie. He did not always
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  Speaker 1: take responsibility. In fact, he lied about it and begged
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  Speaker 1: for his wife's return, knowing full well he had murdered
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  Speaker 1: her and the two little girls that Nico had been
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  Speaker 1: still born because of the murders, and he had disposed
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  Speaker 1: of their bodies and the worst way. You know what,
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  Speaker 1: let's have a little reality check. This is what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if he says I've taken full responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for what I did. I want you to hear the
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  Speaker 1: husband as he begs for help.
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  Speaker 2: I just want them back.
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  Speaker 4: I just I just want them to come back. And
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  Speaker 4: if if they're not safe right now, that's that's what's
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  Speaker 4: tearing me apart. Because if they are safe, they're come back.
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  Speaker 4: But if they're not, this this has got to stop.
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  Speaker 4: Like somebody has to come forward.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody come forward.
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  Speaker 1: The husband begging for help at that point, trying to
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  Speaker 1: find his wife. She's gorgeous, a million dollars smile, long,
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  Speaker 1: brunette hair, Shannon Watts. I'm looking at a photo of
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  Speaker 1: her right now with her two daughters, Celeste just three
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  Speaker 1: years old, Bella just four. Straight out to Ellen Calaura
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  Speaker 1: joining us with Crime online dot Com. Ellen, I want
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  Speaker 1: to start at the beginning, as this whole thing unravels.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Shannon's new job.
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  Speaker 2: I want to start with.
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  Speaker 5: That Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight
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  Speaker 5: loss patches through multi level marketing company, and part of
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  Speaker 5: what a multi level marketing job is recruiting more salespeople.
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  Speaker 5: So she was posting on Facebook all the time showing
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  Speaker 5: how well she was doing. She was getting a car allowance,
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  Speaker 5: so she's got a Lexus. She's going on work funtored
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  Speaker 5: vacations all the time. She's working really hard, but she's
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  Speaker 5: also having the time.
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  Speaker 6: Of her advice and xpos.
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  Speaker 5: This with what we later learned that the family had
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  Speaker 5: been having financial trouble and they had for bankruptcy in
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  Speaker 5: two thousand and five, and Chris had reportedly told some
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  Speaker 5: neighbors pretty recently that they were thinking about selling the whole.
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire
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  Speaker 1: life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella,
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  Speaker 1: and then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat,
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  Speaker 1: he's been working too, so they fall on hard times
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  Speaker 1: and they have to get out from under staggering debt
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  Speaker 1: by filing bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 2: She manages to land a.
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  Speaker 1: Job at about eighty thousand dollars a year, but part
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  Speaker 1: of that job is having to travel away from her children,
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  Speaker 1: which she hated. She would leave for work and I
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  Speaker 1: believe this country they call it health supplements. This eighty
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars job. She had a lot of trips to
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  Speaker 1: Mexico and Dominican Republic. Her work often took her away
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  Speaker 1: from home, and that leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at
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  Speaker 1: home with the two little girls. During this time, she
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  Speaker 1: gets pregnant and they are looking forward to the birth
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  Speaker 1: of the first boy in the family. Also with me
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  Speaker 1: renowned pathologist and medical examiner, doctor Michelle Dupree, and forensics
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  Speaker 1: expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville University and
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet To you, Ellen Kilaurn,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever noticed realtors, Okay, realtors always have beautiful cars.
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  Speaker 2: I'm convinced they're all leased by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: part of the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to go look at an apartment or
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  Speaker 1: look at a house, you don't want to get in
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  Speaker 1: a car that doesn't crank up. It's all ratty and
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  Speaker 1: disgusting insight a right, So so I'm not judging people
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  Speaker 1: on their cars, but it's a facade that they need
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  Speaker 1: to present. This Mom got this job and had to
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  Speaker 1: present this facade exactly.
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  Speaker 5: It's part of the job to make it. It's part
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  Speaker 5: of the presentation, to make the whole experience seem like
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  Speaker 5: something that you want to participate in. Her job isn't
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  Speaker 5: just selling the weight loss patches, it's also selling other
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  Speaker 5: people taking the kind of job that she has. She's
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  Speaker 5: recruiting as well, so she has to protect project an
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  Speaker 5: image that makes us look very, very enticing.
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  Speaker 1: So she starts this job, and even amidst the new
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  Speaker 1: job where she's really having to work and travel out
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  Speaker 1: of town away from her two kids, they still are
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  Speaker 1: considering selling the house.
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  Speaker 2: Ellen, Yeah, they.
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  Speaker 5: Ever told a reporter that just this week that Chris
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  Speaker 5: has kind of off handedly mentioned that they were considering
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  Speaker 5: selling the house. So it's really hard to say what
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  Speaker 5: their financial situation was like. It seems like obviously there
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  Speaker 5: had been some trouble in the past, but after they
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  Speaker 5: filed for BANKERCP is when Shandan got this job, and
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  Speaker 5: also Chris had been working at the petroleum company, so
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  Speaker 5: they're both working, but it's her. They've got two children,
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  Speaker 5: They've got another on the way. That's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: financial pressure. It's hard to know how easily they really
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  Speaker 5: were making nat because, like you said, a big part
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  Speaker 5: of Shannon's job was making the job look really, really
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  Speaker 5: attractive to other people.
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  Speaker 1: All we know is that, well, what was his job?
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  Speaker 2: What was his job? Christopher Wats's job?
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  Speaker 5: You work for a petroleum company. You've been working there
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  Speaker 5: since at least twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get back to her going missing Ellen.
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  Speaker 1: When did that happen? Give me the timeline. She had
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  Speaker 1: just gotten.
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  Speaker 5: Back from yet another work trip on early in the
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  Speaker 5: Monday morning hours.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I want to close something up.
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  Speaker 1: I want to clearse something up with me, Doctor Michelle Dupree,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, doctor Judith Joseph.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you have to travel
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  Speaker 1: for work, doctor Michelle Duprey. But it sounds so glamorous.
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  Speaker 1: It's not glamorous, like this woman went to New Orleans, Toronto,
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  Speaker 1: Punta Kinda, Dominican Republic, Puerto Valerta, Vega, San Diego. When
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  Speaker 1: you travel for work, doctor Michelle Duprie, it is not glamorous.
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  Speaker 1: I typically get off of a plane. I go straight
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  Speaker 1: to the work site, dragging my beat up suitcase behind me,
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  Speaker 1: and I get there.
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  Speaker 2: I work.
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  Speaker 1: I work late because I want to hurry and work
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  Speaker 1: as lady as I can so I can get back earlier.
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  Speaker 1: End up spending the night in a hotel, grab something
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  Speaker 1: on the way, and then I get up as quickly
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  Speaker 1: as I can, sometimes at three or four in the
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  Speaker 1: morning to get to the airport to get back home.
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  Speaker 1: That's not glamorous, doctor Michelle Duprie, You're.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: It is not very timing and you are worn out
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  Speaker 7: by the time you can hunt.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me this.
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  Speaker 1: She gets back Ellen from one of these trips, and
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  Speaker 1: what happens.
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  Speaker 5: She gets back late, early in the hours of Monday morning,
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  Speaker 5: he goes to work at five am. Apparently they stay
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  Speaker 5: up together for three or four hours talking, and he
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  Speaker 5: admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going
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  Speaker 5: to be a really big question in this case. What
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  Speaker 5: was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation. Well,
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  Speaker 5: so she wasn't seen again after that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, when one partner travels a lot. To
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrists joining us. That's
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  Speaker 1: very hard. As a matter of fact, doctor Judith went,
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  Speaker 1: my husband traveled constantly.
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  Speaker 2: He would leave on.
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  Speaker 1: Sunday night and get back if I was lucky on
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  Speaker 1: Friday night. Our entire relationship. When we had the twins,
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  Speaker 1: I said, listen, son's got to give. I cannot work
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  Speaker 1: and be on call for crime related stories twenty four seven,
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  Speaker 1: three sixty five, and you be gone. It's just it's well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what. He started his own business so he
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  Speaker 1: could name his own hours. But doctor Judith, not everybody
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  Speaker 1: is that fortunate to be able to just go run
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  Speaker 1: out and start your own business.
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  Speaker 2: And it's hard when one.
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  Speaker 1: That's very stressful in a family with two taughts and
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  Speaker 1: another on the way, for one parent.
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  Speaker 2: To be gone all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they did have an emotional conversation.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard
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  Speaker 6: on anyone, to even people who don't have children. Stuff
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  Speaker 6: us on depression, anxiety, sleep disorders related to extensive traveling.
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  Speaker 6: And so then when you put that stress into the
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  Speaker 6: mix with two young children, a husband who's sharing the
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  Speaker 6: brunt of things, and you know, traditionally in our society,
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  Speaker 6: some parts of this country are still very very traditional.
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  Speaker 6: It's not common for the mother to leave the home,
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  Speaker 6: and so lot there probably were a lot of feelings there,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, sometimes people become in the community about
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  Speaker 6: about this, and so I'm not sure what was happening
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  Speaker 6: with this then in particular. However, you're absolutely right. Travel
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  Speaker 6: is stressful, and when one parent has to stay behind
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  Speaker 6: and one partner has to be behind, sometimes the imagination
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  Speaker 6: goes wild, and their accusations of jealousy and infidelity, and
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  Speaker 6: we don't know what was happening in this family.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Also in Chris Watts's letters, he says, as I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: I've always taken full responsibility for what I did the
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  Speaker 1: rest of that sentence, even though I was misled by
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  Speaker 1: a wicked woman. He seems to be blaming his mistress
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  Speaker 1: for him murdering his family. Now, is that taking full responsibility? No,
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  Speaker 1: it is not. And ps which mistress are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: There have been so many in their disappearance and murders.
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  Speaker 4: Her flight got delayed from Arizona because father storms around
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  Speaker 4: the nation. You're supposed to get home like a and
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  Speaker 4: then she got home at like one. If she came
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  Speaker 4: home from the airport two am and I left around
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  Speaker 4: five point fifteen. She was still here, and like about
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  Speaker 4: twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed up
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  Speaker 4: at the door. Like I had texted Shan a few
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  Speaker 4: times that day, called her say you know, but she
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  Speaker 4: never got back to me. But she wasn't get back
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  Speaker 4: to any of her people as well. And that's what
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  Speaker 4: really concerned a lot of people, is like she's not
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  Speaker 4: getting back to her Like if she doesn't get back
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  Speaker 4: to me, that's fine, Like she gets busy during the day,
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  Speaker 4: but she get back to her people, which was very concerning.
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  Speaker 4: And Nicole called me when she was at the door,
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  Speaker 4: and that's when they came home and then walked in
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  Speaker 4: the house and nothing vanished. Nothing was here. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, nobody
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  Speaker 4: was here.
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  Speaker 1: We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and
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  Speaker 1: Celeste little Toss, and to top it all off, Shannon
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  Speaker 1: is pregnant. I recall covering a case and I learned
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  Speaker 1: a startling statistics. I believe it was from the New
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  Speaker 1: England Journal of Medicine that the number one cause of
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  Speaker 1: death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide. The
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  Speaker 1: number one cause of death. It's not heart failure, it's
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  Speaker 1: not stroke, it's not anything you may imagine. It is homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Very disturbing, joining me, Doctor Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan
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  Speaker 1: doctored jud Joseph and Ellen Calaurin.
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  Speaker 2: So, Ellen, she goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for help
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  Speaker 1: to try to find her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking this, Sooth.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like she'd run away with another man and
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  Speaker 1: bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste with her. Also,
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  Speaker 1: she came home that night, she got home from out
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  Speaker 1: of town. She has this discussion, probably related to the
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  Speaker 1: out of town trips she had to take. The husband
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  Speaker 1: is her work at five am. She's alive and well. Then,
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  Speaker 1: so how does she turn up dead and where?
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  Speaker 2: Ellen?
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  Speaker 5: Far as I know, there were not any accusations of
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  Speaker 5: infidelity on her part, but apparently she did venture to
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  Speaker 5: a friend at one point that she was wondering if
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  Speaker 5: maybe her husband was being unfaithful.
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  Speaker 1: Well, according to and Yes, yes, Mark Garrigos, my colleague
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney for Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Winona Ryder. He'll
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  Speaker 1: tell anybody a cheater a murderer does not make and
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  Speaker 1: he's absolutely right. But I can tell you this, when
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  Speaker 1: you have a happy family and a happy marriage, the
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  Speaker 1: husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the wife
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  Speaker 1: over a cliff.
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  Speaker 2: I know that much.
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  Speaker 1: I also know this problems allegedly servicing just in the
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  Speaker 1: past two months because a coworker of Shannon's mom said
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  Speaker 1: they may have been added for divorce. Right when they're
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  Speaker 1: turning the corner, Doctor Judith Joseph, the New York psychiatrist,
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  Speaker 1: is joining us. They yes, they went bankrupt in twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and alexis automobile.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to her new job.
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  Speaker 1: It took out of town a lot, and then problems
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  Speaker 1: began to surface at home. And looks like they're turning
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  Speaker 1: the corner on all their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I think that that's the statistic that you
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  Speaker 6: mentioned about pregnant women and homified being any more on
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  Speaker 6: cause of that. That's so significant and people don't realize
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  Speaker 6: this that partners, people who are not pregnant husbands, they
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  Speaker 6: also experienced post part of depression and stress. And it's
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  Speaker 6: not the same cause it's not hormonal. There's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of transitions that people have to see when they having
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  Speaker 6: multiple children, and you add the stress of finances, you
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  Speaker 6: add ertal pressure and maybe a third party as someone
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  Speaker 6: who's engaging in adultry, and then people explode. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know this family in particular, I haven't treated
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  Speaker 6: any of them. However, it sounds like they were trying
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  Speaker 6: to create this facade disappearance that things were okay, and
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  Speaker 6: clearly things were not okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, another thing, dot you the Joseph as due to Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: everybody has those problems. Everybody that is married with the
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  Speaker 1: family will have children to take care of, jobs, financial pressures.
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  Speaker 1: And she certainly was never accused of having a sex
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  Speaker 1: relationship with anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: So why does she go missing?
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  Speaker 1: And what does all of that have to do with
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  Speaker 1: her body being discovered?
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  Speaker 8: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you this much to Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I just don't think men do as
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  Speaker 1: well as good a job as women do raising she and.
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  Speaker 2: Here he is taking care of these two children.
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  Speaker 1: Ellen, how does it go from him taking care of
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  Speaker 1: the children and now she's dead and goes missing?
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  Speaker 2: Ellen, Come on fast forward.
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  Speaker 5: Ellen, this is a husband who had financially struggled in
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  Speaker 5: the past. He's at home alone with two daughters. His
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  Speaker 5: wife is having a lot of success. They have another
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  Speaker 5: baby on the way. He could have been under a
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  Speaker 5: lot of stress, and he may have felt that his
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  Speaker 5: role had been diminished in the family.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his
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  Speaker 1: male ego. Ellen. She's dead and now let me just
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  Speaker 1: Q and A with myself here.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true? Cops believed she was killed.
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  Speaker 1: In her home and then her body moved to and
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  Speaker 1: a Darko Oil and gas drilling properties?
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  Speaker 2: Who worked there? May I ask you that, Ellen?
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  Speaker 1: Who do we know work at Anna Darko Oil and
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  Speaker 1: Gas Drilling?
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  Speaker 2: Name one for Chris Watt? Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, Doctor Michelle, Do pre help
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  Speaker 1: me out here? Pathologists, medical examiner, you know what you
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  Speaker 1: and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very often
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  Speaker 1: will do it or dispose of the body in a
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  Speaker 1: place they are familiar. And I always point to Scott
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Peterson he's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San Francisco
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Bay all the time. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. It's like rents
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and repeat on the back of your shampoo. He fishes,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: he golfs, and he cheats. Where is lazy his dead
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: wife and unborn child Connor in San Francisco Bay because
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he's comfy there, he goes and dumps the bodies there,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle, you see it over and over.
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: Exactly, you really do.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: We love it when they're dumb.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And here we've got in a Darco Oil and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Gas drilling one of those properties where the husband christ
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: her wants works and want to come and Joe Scott Morgan,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I need expertise from you regarding how they might know
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the mom and the two little girls were murdered in
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: their own home.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I called her three texted her about three times just
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: to say, you know, what's going on? Like I didn't
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I could for that for the After I called her
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: and texted her once, it was like maybe she was
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: just busy, like she had just gotten back, you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: like everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: got back from Arizona, and I figured this she was busy,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: but when her friend showed up, that's what it was like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: it registered like, all right, this isn't.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Right right now.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: with the kids. But I mean, could she event could
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: she just taken off? I don't know. But if somebody
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: has her and they're not safe, like I want them
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: back now like that that that's with them. I like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: if they're safe right now, they're going to come back.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: But if they're not safe right now, that's the not
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: knowing part. Like if they're not safe. Last night I
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: was had everybody in the house on I was hoping
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: that I would just get just ran over by the
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: kids running in the door and just like Beryl rushing me.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: But it didn't happen, and it was just a traumatic
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: night trying to be.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Here Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He also says in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: these letters, quote, I know God does not see me
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: as a sinner who killed his family. I don't think
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you should be speaking for the Lord Almighty. He says,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I've confessed my sins, I am forgiven. Okay, that's between
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you and the Lord. But you are not getting out
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of jail again. You being forgiven by heaven is not
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: mutually exclusive, with you staying behind bars and rotting till
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the day you die. Let's have a little fat check.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: This is what happened to Shenan, Bella, Celeste and Nico.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Just remember his.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Two little girls, Bella four and Celeste three, were in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: his truck as he carried their mom's body to hide
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it at the oil fields where he worked. He suffocated
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the two little girls one by one as they begged
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: for mercy and stashed their bodies in oil drums. In
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: addition to multiple handwritten letters, mostly about himself, he shared
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: his thoughts with an inmate, Dylan Tauman, a president in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin who befriended Watts. Taman was in a cell next
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to wattson the two became friends jail buddies. Tauman actually
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: released a series of books titled The Cell next Door.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: He says, what's confided that his mariage to Shanan was unhappy. Really,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: then where did the three children come from? What's wine
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that Shanan was quote really busy with her job, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that he was often the quote primary caregiver to his daughters.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So Wats claims when he lost Wade and started working out,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: women started paying attention to him, and he quote met Nicole.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: She was quote everything my wife wasn't like with me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: She was just nice and not a control freak. What's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: also trashed Nicole Kessinger, claiming she Nicole quote became the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: death of me. He also called her a quote Harlot
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and a quote Jezebel who led him to destruction. Oh okay,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: so now he's blaming his mistress. Okay, it's her fault
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that Shannan, Bella and Celeste and the baby boy Nico
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: are all dead.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: He wrote a prayer of.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Confession, Chris quote, the words of a Harlot have brought
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: me low. Her flattering speech was like drops of honey
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that pierced my heart and soul. Little did I know
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that all her guests were in the chamber of death.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Can you believe this guy? What happened? I don't want
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: anybody to get some of those texts, like they have
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with this days and they're just.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Like between you and Chris, Yes, they're just they're just
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: so just tell me what you're they're just kind of
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: ron She okay, well need anybody.
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: Everybody's an adult. We're gonna somewhere.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I don't need that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want the papers to get that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: That's all I want.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: But the only one that we would be looking for
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: again is the same kind of questions we're getting to here,
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: is things about his children, things about his wife, the
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: questioning of did he ever you know, has he ever
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: said something to you that might indicate maybe not then,
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: but now that there was something like this in his mind,
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: or you know what we're looking for. I don't need
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: to come out and tell you that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: You are hearing the alleged mistress of killer dad Chris Watts.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And even in light of the fact that his wife,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: his pregnant wife, and two little girls were found dead,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the mom Shenan Watts buried in a shallow grave, the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: two little girls found in.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: That's of oil.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: She's still whining about how she doesn't want to hand
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: over her cell phone to investigators because there are quote
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: raunchy texts. Unless you want it on page six of
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the New York Post, do not put it in writing,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and really don't even say it. If it's something you're
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: ashamed of or something you don't repeat it, just don't
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: say it for Pete's sake.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And she is impeding a.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Homicide investigation because she doesn't.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Want the world to see her.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Raunchy texts like I care about her raunchy texts. Well,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: in the end, she did not the investigation. She handed
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: over the phone at Let's take a listen to Nicole Cassinger,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the girlfriend the mistress that finally comes forward two days
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: after Shania's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles.
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: Listen on Tuesday, which would have been the fourteenth of August.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: You had read some newspaper articles on the thirteenth and
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: the fourteenth.
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: Regarded this case.
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: You had also had a conversation with Chris at some
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: point during the day on Monday and on Tuesday because
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: of what you found. Specifically what you said was and
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: I don't know many put words in your mouth, but
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: you found out that his life whispering, and I yes,
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: and you did not know that prior, and you found
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: that out via the newspaper articles, and that caused you concern.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I just realized that he was lying to me,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and I was like, well, if you can lie to
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: me about this? What else do you lying to me about?
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: And it made me realize that maybe his wife was
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: in danger at that point and it was too and
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: she still wasn't home.
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: What did that cause you to do with your phone?
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Oh? When I deleted those, I was just kind of
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: grossed out by him, To be honest with you, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: was just like, I don't know what's going on right now,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: but you just lied to me, and I don't want
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: to see this come over my phone anymore, so I
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: removed it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: So you just you already said, but you reroot text messages.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it was.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: It was the hurt that made me delete it, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: then it was the lie that made me start questioning
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days.
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: And that's when you decided to come forward.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, you are hearing the voice Nicole Kessinger Killer Dack.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Chris Watson is the mistress during this time, joining me
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: right now in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill, Ashley Wilcott.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Also with me is Ellikilaur and Crime online dot Com
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and isn't it
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: true she has some very unusual computer searches as well.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly right, Nancy, and the computer searches are
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: what I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: her discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: with Chris as one where he was more serious about
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: her than she was about him. She says repeatedly she
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: encouraged him to try and save his marriage. She said,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: he has such a beautiful family, why not hold on
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: to this, this beautiful home. She says repeatedly that she
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: encouraged him to stay married and work on his marriage.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: But once there was a data review of her phone,
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: it looks like maybe there is some inconsistencies. She had
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: spent two hours online of doing a Google search for
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: wedding dresses.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: She wait, is this the same woman that searched for
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: anal sex preparation?
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: That is correct?
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny how you gloss over the hard
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: parts and you make me say them. Okay, in addition
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to blurt out the anal sex searches.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks Ellen, What else do we find on her searches?
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: She definitely she did a search related to terms marrying
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: your mistress.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, wha, wha, wha what? What did you say?
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: She did it? She did a Google search term search
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: of terms related to the phrase marrying your mistress?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: So she did a search on how much she could
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: make if she wrote a book like Amber Fry.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: She yeah, I don't think it was specifically how much
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: can I make if I write a book? But she
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: absolutely was interested in She did Google searches on Amber
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Fry and her book deal and oh.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Her Okay, let me remind everybody who is Amber Fry.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Amberfry was the miss stress of Scott Peterson. Amber Fry
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: did not know Scott Peterson was married to a pregnant woman.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Amberfry then cooperated completely with police and actually caught Scott
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Peterson in damning cell phone conversations, wire tapping.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Him and as a matter of fact, there was a.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Fear that Peterson would come kill her, but she stuck
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it out and she was a star witness at the trial.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It turned everything around into Scott Peterson prosecution and the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: murder of his pregnant wife. Lacey and their unborn child, Connor.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, here you hear Nicole Kessinger going, wow,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to find out to release my
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: rawchy text. Amber Fry put it out there and completely
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: cooperated with police. She volunteered to cooperate with police and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was a star witness. She then later wrote a book
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and I hope she made a lot of money.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Off that book.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: God bless her to Susan Constantine deception body language expert.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I've got to give it to Nicole Kessinger.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Without her cooperation, this case may not have cracked the.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Way that it did.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But according to Ellen Klora, and there's a lot of inconsistencies.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies. And the thing
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: is is that it needs they need to go back
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: and be able to verify the information that she's given them.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: But for overall, you know, when I'm listening to her, Nancy,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of truth in what she's saying.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: So the issue was.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Hard to come over is her lack of emotion. You know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: her emotion aspect is just completely off. She's very cavalier.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: Her tone of her voice can is really off putting.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: And so she really sets herself up for people to
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: really scrutinize her because her personality is shining through about
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: how she you know, how how she sees the entire
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: situation and she how detached that she is. The part
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: that bothers me the most is that she is trying
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in, I'm the savior,
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: work things out with your wife, but yet she's kind
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: of like pushing them away, but then kind of motioning
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: to come closer. So she's she's very manipulative.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: At one point, he told me that they sat down
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: and they talked about it, and he told her that
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: he wanted to either fix things or like to try
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to fix things, and if she didn't want to fix them,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: then they needed to move forward with the separation and
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: like actually file for a divorce at this point was
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: the impression that I got from.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: This and was what he told me.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: And so.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: He said that she was like pretty receptive to just
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: not trying. He was like, she seemed like she just
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: wants me to go. He's like, when she has her
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: mind made up, she has her mind made up and
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: that's what she wants. And he's like, she doesn't want
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: to try anymore, and he's like, and neither do I
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: really And he was like it's done, and he's like
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: and then and the next day, I don't even know
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: what daisies were. Sometime when he was out there, he
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: told me.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: We're putting the.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: House up her sale as soon as we get back.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, that was quick, and he
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: was like, it's her, she's ready to go, and I
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: was like, okay.
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: It's the dramatic moment tops confront Chris Watts's mistress after
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: a new life with her.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Why would you.
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: Why your family to be The just released video shows
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: thirty year old Nicole Kessinger being interrogated did you.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: Ever see anything with him about her or never? Anything
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: about his kids being a problem, or anything about his.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Wife being a pro never?
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: This shocked me just as much as I think get
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: shocked the rest of the world.
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: She breaks down sobbing over the gruesome fate of the children,
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: four year old Bella and three year old Celested.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Ugh, he's so disgusting. I'm so ashamed of why?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Whoa?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Why? Why?
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: How?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I don't even understand how you could bring yourself to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: do that somebody who's like that. Bit you are hearing
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, and you were hearing our friend at
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Inside Edition, Jim Murray Susan Constantine Deception of body language expert.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that where Nicole Kessinger the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Mistress breaks down in tears.
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: Well, it came on very sudden, so that's the one
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: thing that I look for, and also how quickly she
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: recovers after it. So that's what I'm looking at, is
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: that it's not unusual for someone just to break down,
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: But when you listen to her voice, there is there.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: I'm listening for these kind of breaks or pauses and
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: the voice, but I'm not really hearing that. I'm not
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: saying that she does not feel that way. I think
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: that she does. But what bothers me the most is
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: how quickly the onset of that emotion was and then
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: how quick it ended that because there should be remnants
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: of it throughout Once she has finished making that statement,
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: you should still hear her voice foil cracking up afterwards.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: So even though she's emotionally upset, she quickly gets over
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: it awfully fast.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: That's suspicious to me.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: To Ellenclaurincrime online dot Com investigative reporter, you mentioned inconsistencies.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: What other inconsistencies have you discovered? Because I think not
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: only was she genuinely upset about the best of the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: deaths of Belle and Celeste, but also was distancing herself
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: because if she had known anything about this murder plot,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: she would have been erupted in at doing jail time
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, One thing that I want to make clear is
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: that even though there are some inconsistencies in her story,
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: it's also very clear that Chris Wats lied to her.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: She did not know Shannan Wats was pregnant, and he
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: told her that Shannan was gritty ready to leave the marriage,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: when that is a one.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Hundred percent not true.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: We see that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: However, there's one other incident of the interrogation when Nicole
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: tells Poliefe that she never told any of her friends
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: or anyone about her relationship with Chris because it was
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: very early on and she was still, you know, working
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: through a separation. But that ended up not being the case.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: She did have a text message exchange with a girlfriend
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: about her relationship with Chris, but and she called investigators
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: the next day and told them.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: That alexis Terreschuk not just the girlfriend we've been listening
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to Nicole Cassinger, but also some other woman who played
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: these kinky sex games with killer dad Chris Watts.
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: There was a second mistress, a woman named Amanda, and
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: her name was secret. All during you know, his wife
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: took their children to both of their parents were in
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: North Carolina, so she went for six weeks in the.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Summer with her girls when they.
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: Were out of school, to stay with his parents and
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: her parents for a vacation. And that is when he
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: went wild. He was like a bachelor. Even his friends
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: had joked with him, and this was all the police report.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: Police report that the county has released that the friends
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: sent him a text and said, how is your life
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: as a bachelor? And he lied to his friends.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: He said, oh, you don't.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: I'm just working out.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything else.
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: He wasn't working out, working out there, working out.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I can make a lot of career jugs right now,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: but I'm not jumping.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Into a new relationship is a little quick. It's like
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I was in a relationship earlier this year, and I
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: think this is also a little quick, and I'm like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: so why don't we take our time? And I'm like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: if you guys end up doing a week on a
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: week off with your kids and like the week you
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: have your kids being with your children, and the week
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: that you don't, I'm like, I don't even want to
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: see you every day. I'm like, I think we should
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: spend like a few days of that together. I'm like,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: because I like my space and I think you need
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: your space. I think you need your space to like
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: develop your identity again and like get it back because
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I think he's just been like so wrapped up in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: this whole thing that he's got in his own life
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: and his life that he I mean, he doesn't remember
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: probably what it's like to be single or have time
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: where it's like just him.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And so I was just like, you know, like embrace that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing, and I really try to like
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: take it smart with all that. And it was the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: same thing with his kids. It was just like you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: like and I and we talk about things every once
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: in a while where you know, i'd be like, hey,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: if I ever meet you know, because like I have
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of houseplants. It's a good example so I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: have a lot of house plants, and I told I
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: told him, I was like, one day, if I ever
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: meet your kids, I was like, I'm going to show
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: these girls how to like paint, pottery and plants plants.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: It was like, I think they would love to see
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: something grow that they build. I think it would be
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: really really cute and like little stuff like that. But
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: it wasn't very frequent. It wasn't hey we should get married,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: and hey we should have babies, and hey I want
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: to live with but hey, me to meet your children now,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: and let's cut the mom out.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: It was never like that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: If there was never any conversation about, you know, we
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: can't do this with her around, you can't do this
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: with the kids around. He never said that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: You never said that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they didn't talk about the marriage and the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: moving in because there was a problem his wife, Shananne,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the pregnant wife. You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Nicole Kessinger. Were these statements like sa to Rustchuk before
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: or after the bodies were found?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Before?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she didn't yet know that the wife and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the children were dead. Okay, that's a little bit that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: alleviates some of this because I was wondering, how could
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: she talk about all that when the bodies had just
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: been recovered.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Another aspect to this is police were listening to her,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: but they were probably also looking at her as a
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: potential person of interest, potential. She did not have anything
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to do with these murders, let's just be clear about that.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So the wife and the children at this point are missing,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and she's just talking as fast as she can. She
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses to people.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Quote hate Amber Fry, who was Scott Peterson's mistress when
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Lacy's pregnant wife was murdered. How to prepare for anal sex. Oh,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: let's see, there's just so many to choose from.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I don't really know what to pick first.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Alexis Terschuk. I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to murder his wife and children, or that he had
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: another mistress.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Bring us up to date to Alexis to Restchuck.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: So I don't think she did know that he had
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: another mistress. There was a woman named Amanda, and she
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: we secretly interviewed her before her name became public, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: she told us that she met Chris on a dating
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: app and they had a really dirty one night stand.
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: She said that he was into he wanted to do
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: a rape fantasy, that he choked her out while they
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: had sex, and she.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I in the right fantasy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Was he the victim or was she the victim?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: He was the victim, so he was.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: He was the one that was raping her in their
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: sex fantasy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: That was consensual.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: She said, all that rage, all that hate towards women,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I just okay.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: And she said that she really she had a really
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: good time with it. She thought he was really attractive
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: and it was a really sexy one night's dancer. Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: So he started cheating on his wife, his pregnant wife,
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: basically the same minute she got pregnant, and then he
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: moved on to not just cheating her, but having a
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: full born relationship and a woman who thought they were
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: going to get married. This is somebody who he facetimed
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: with this mistress. He so he killed his wife and children.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Why are you acting so indignant that the mistress thought
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: they were going to get married. The mistress knew he
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: was already married, I guess, and she thought he was a.
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: Marry in type. But he would just bounce back from
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: one and marry her again. And so the night that
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: the women went missing. In the first night, I'm sorry
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: the daughters and his wife, he sat on his bed,
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: his unmade bed in his bedroom, on his phone, his iPhone,
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: and facetimed with her so she could see. He said
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: he was in bed where his wife had most likely died,
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: and that he.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Was just chatting with her.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: She said he was staring at her very intently, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: he wasn't crying about his children missing or his wife missing.
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: He was just carrying on like a flirty conversation with her,
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: knowing that his wife was He had killed his wife
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: and his daughters in that very house within the last
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: twenty four hours.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that people worry about the you, Alexis,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: let me be clear, worry about how the mistress was hurt.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: You know, to hey with the mistress, she knew full
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: well he was married with children, although although I don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: think she knew the wife was pregnant. Vincent Hill, private investigator,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: author of playbook to Murder. So often the defense will
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: be and I remember Mark Gerriges, who never agree with him,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: but he is a good defense lawyer would always say,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: an adulterer does not a murderer make, and that's true.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Just because you're having.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: An affair, it does not mean you're going to commit murder.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But in domestic homicides, very often you will find when
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the wife is murdered by the husband, there has been
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: an affair. So the converse to me is true. Very
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: often in domestic homicides, you will find the killer is
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: an adulterer. True adulterer doesn't mean a killer necessarily, but
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the reverse may very well be true. Vincent, He'll they
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: had to know they were going to dig up at
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: least one mistress.
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: Vincent, what's really disturbing Nancy. I think with this other
• 43:41
  Speaker 11: mistress that he met on Tender or whatever dating website,
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: it was the fact that he wanted to play out
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: this rape fantasy and strangle her. I think he was
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: kind of setting the tone of what he was going
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be surprised
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: if more women came forward at a later time, whether
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: it's from ten years ago, and say, yeah, he liked
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: to choke or strangle or something like that. So I
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: think all the signs were there this whole time, and
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: luckily for this other mistress. I think she got out
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: kind of lucky. To be honest with you, well, you.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Know what, You're right, You're right.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: And again, although we're giving her a hard time, she
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: is in no way implicated in his murderous plan. As
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: You, no, it wasn't fair to his family for him
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to have an affair.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: It wasn't fair.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: To me to have him lie to me and make
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: me think that Ivan is the plan. And still to
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: this day, I don't even know what's lie and what's not.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if they were like filing for divorce.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they were putting the house up.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't even know anymore what
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: is real and what it's not.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: But what I do know is it's just like, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that wasn't.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Fair to me either, because if I hadn't know him,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: the first place. I mean, and that's the part for me,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: just like on my personal level, outside of everything that
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: is happening, that is gonna affect me long term, It's like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna wake up every day and know
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: that like his mom and her unborn child and these
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: two little girls are not around anymore, and it breaks
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: my heart.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It is, oh my god, in any.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: And then I have to think about like the consequences
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: of his actions and how they affect everybody else, like
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: all of these her famili's impacted. My name is about
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: to be like slandered for probably a while.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Elsewhere in these letters, Watts continues to repeat his quote
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Jezebel mistress Nicole Kessinger is really responsible quote quote oh
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: why stars this idiot? Quote I have the appeals court
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: says this again, quote she was a harlot. Does somebody
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: actually still say harlot? I guess so she was a harlot,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a Jezebel who led me astray, who spoke sweet words
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of destruction. But I will let God have his justice
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: with her. I was weak, and I let her cloud
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: my morals and my judgment. Oh kay, she was never
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: implicated in any of this. She had nothing to do
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: with the murders. As he is quote taking full responsibility.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: He's blaming the woman he conned into an affair. One
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: of the many women he conned into an affair. Now
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: he's saying she's a Jezebel. Who is Jezebel? I think
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: he's talking about the biblical queen Jezebel, known for her
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: wicked and immoral and immoral actions. Oh this guy, Okay,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Nicole Passinger had nothing to do with these murders. He
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: did it all on his own. Chris Watts, you may
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: have gotten forgiveness by the Lord, but don't expect any
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: special treatment from Lady Justice. Goodbye, friends,