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10-1 H3: 12th Man Roundtable · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: As part of our nonstop coverage of the NFL, this
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  Speaker 1: is Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with the 12th
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  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and Greg Bell. Brought to
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  Speaker 1: you by the Evergreen Council on Problem Gambling. The 12th
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  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable is on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: Great morning to you all. Welcome in on this Thursday
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  Speaker 2: edition of Chuck in the Morning. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR
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  Speaker 2: FM as we get our third hour, our 8 o'clock
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  Speaker 2: hour started on this day. You know by now during
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  Speaker 2: football season that means that we gather our Seahawks insider
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  Speaker 2: Greg Bell and our QB1, our top analyst around these
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  Speaker 2: here parts, Hugh Millen, on the program from 8 to 9. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we got a little bit of wrinkle. I like wrinkles.
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  Speaker 2: I like when you get surprised by something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Greg needed to take today off, and that gave us
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to reach out to the lead anchor on
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  Speaker 2: our Seahawks postgame show. And they do a fantastic job
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  Speaker 2: and have been for a number of years, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not listening to Hugh and Dick Fane. After the Seahawks game,
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  Speaker 2: you're making a criminal error. So Dick Fane today filling
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  Speaker 2: in for Greg Bell. He's got a Seahawks hat on.
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  Speaker 2: He got up early for us at 8 o'clock. Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have you on the roundtable here today.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you're looking for wrinkles, you came to the
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  Speaker 3: right place. I got plenty of them.
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  Speaker 2: How long have you guys been doing the postgame show together?
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  Speaker 4: I think since the opening of Jimmy's. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we're looking at early two thousands, Hugh. I mean, we're, we're,
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  Speaker 4: we're going on, we're going on pretty damn close to
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  Speaker 4: a quarter of a century. That seems to be a,
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  Speaker 4: that seems to be the answer to all the questions
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  Speaker 4: on how long have I been doing this or that
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  Speaker 4: in radio?
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  Speaker 5: We've been, we've had some raw moments too, because those
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  Speaker 5: are the memorable ones immediately after the game. And, and
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  Speaker 5: if Dick and I, You know, reasonable minds can differ,
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  Speaker 5: of course, on these things. But in that moment, neither
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  Speaker 5: one of us sees the other as reasonable if we
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  Speaker 5: happen to differ. So we've had a spark or two,
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  Speaker 5: but that's all part of the fun and the respect
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now that DK Metcalf's a stealer, you guys get
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  Speaker 2: along really well.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have Dick, and it's great to
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  Speaker 2: have you both on this morning as we roundtable it here.
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  Speaker 2: And we are talking about a loss for the first
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  Speaker 2: time after a Seahawks game in what, nine months? Twelve games?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's been like nine months. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: could have had a baby in the time that the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks last lost a football game that we broke down
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  Speaker 2: here on the radio program. And so... Hugh, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think the mood was like in Renton this week?
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  Speaker 2: I know that asks you to just sort of speculate,
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  Speaker 2: but coming off their first loss in a while, do
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  Speaker 2: you think Mike McDonald had them come in and run
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  Speaker 2: 1,000 laps like my coach used to do after losses?
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  Speaker 2: Or what was the mood like in Renton this week?
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  Speaker 5: No, they know they're a damn good football team, and
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  Speaker 5: there's no panic. They're going to be process-driven. It's okay.
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  Speaker 5: Let's clean things up. And I actually think in a way,
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  Speaker 5: if you said, if there was some all-knowing computer that
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  Speaker 5: could run a simulation a thousand times or a million times,
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  Speaker 5: and you say, okay, what gives you the best probability
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  Speaker 5: to win the Super Bowl this year, given all of
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  Speaker 5: the circumstances? I think when a team comes out and
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  Speaker 5: they're so red hot in September and everything is clicking,
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  Speaker 5: it can't sustain that. Let's say hypothetically. Let's say Seattle
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  Speaker 5: has started 6-0 and they're number one in everybody's power
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  Speaker 5: ranking and blah, blah, blah. Well, at some point, whether
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  Speaker 5: it's an injury or something falls off, somebody solves something,
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  Speaker 5: then you're in a mode like, oh, let's get back
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  Speaker 5: to where we were in September. What can we just
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  Speaker 5: do to fix and be like we were in September?
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  Speaker 5: That's a negative type of approach. I think if you
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  Speaker 5: get knocked around maybe a time or two, in the
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  Speaker 5: first half of the year and then you feel like
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  Speaker 5: you're reaching forward you're trying to like okay let's go
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  Speaker 5: get that let's let's let's fix that um that psychology
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  Speaker 5: i think gives you the best shot at it look
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  Speaker 5: at look at seattle that's what they did last year
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  Speaker 5: you know you have the this might mirror the tampa
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  Speaker 5: bay loss they had a couple of others and then
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  Speaker 5: they go on their what 10 game win streak and
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  Speaker 5: so uh i i think they're just fine i trust
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  Speaker 5: the people that they'll that they'll fix what they had.
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  Speaker 5: They had some very key injuries. You know, you're down
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  Speaker 5: literally to your fourth and fifth safety. And if you
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  Speaker 5: count Kobe Bryant from a year ago, you're down to
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  Speaker 5: your fifth and sixth safety. So they can't run the defenses.
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  Speaker 5: They can't fix problems on the fly. I said it Monday.
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  Speaker 5: I believe it today. I think if Julian Love was
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  Speaker 5: playing in that game, I'll take it to my grave.
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  Speaker 5: I think Seattle wins again. That's not to blame it
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  Speaker 5: on the other guys.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Take it however you want. These are all pros.
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  Speaker 5: That's just my thought. You are really hurt at, at
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  Speaker 5: safety and that, and the way Seattle wants to communicate,
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  Speaker 5: which is more than others. They want smart guys more
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  Speaker 5: than others. Everybody wants a smart guy. Mike McDonald wants
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  Speaker 5: a smart guy more than other guys because of all
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  Speaker 5: the adjustments they make on the fly to different formations,
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  Speaker 5: personnel groups, and what have you.
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  Speaker 2: So, At any event, I think they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: just fine. Yeah, and by the way, Julian Love is
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  Speaker 2: practicing this week, so we don't know for sure if
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be playing, but obviously we all want
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  Speaker 2: Julian Love on the field. He was fantastic in the
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  Speaker 2: first two weeks. He's just a really good football player. Dick, what,
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  Speaker 2: if anything, bothered you most about that game on Sunday?
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  Speaker 6: Twofold.
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  Speaker 4: One, we talked about disagreements with Hugh and others. I
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  Speaker 4: did not think that Jadarian Price should have been benched
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  Speaker 4: as long as he was. I think it potentially cost
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  Speaker 4: them the football game because they could get nothing going
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  Speaker 4: on the ground. I'm a full believer in a balanced attack.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, you're cutting off your nose
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  Speaker 4: to spite your face a little bit if you can't run.
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  Speaker 3: The football of what else you have.
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  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, if Zach Charbonnet was available and you want
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  Speaker 4: to bench Jedarian Price, cool. Bench Jedarian Price and give
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  Speaker 4: Zach Charbonnet the ball 15 or 20 times. I don't
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  Speaker 4: have a problem with that, even though Zach's not the
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  Speaker 4: type of explosive guy that the prices. And then the
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  Speaker 4: second thing that bothered me was, I mean, giving up
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  Speaker 4: two third and longs on that last drive. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that was stunning to me. I was talking about with
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  Speaker 4: softy yesterday. Like what, I mean, what odds would you
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  Speaker 4: have given the Seahawk defense to give up two third
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  Speaker 4: and longs to Marcus Mariota on the, on the final
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  Speaker 4: drive of the, of the game and never get the
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  Speaker 4: ball back.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, you know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Was completely convinced that the Seahawks win that football game
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  Speaker 4: with a field goal or even potentially a JSN touchdown, um,
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  Speaker 4: if they would have just gotten the ball back.
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  Speaker 3: So that was stunning to me.
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  Speaker 4: Part of that, and I totally agree with you, is
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  Speaker 4: that if Julian Love were playing in that game, the
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  Speaker 4: Hawks likely would have gotten the ball back.
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  Speaker 3: On that last drive.
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  Speaker 4: But just to echo what he was saying, I totally
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  Speaker 4: agree with him when it comes to when you want
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  Speaker 4: to peak in the season. And nobody has been better
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  Speaker 4: than that, than Mike McDonald. He even admitted it to
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  Speaker 4: Dan Patrick when he was interviewed over the offseason. He said,
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  Speaker 4: I don't like early games. Because early season games, I
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  Speaker 4: think you take Mike McDonald's greatest strength away when you
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  Speaker 4: don't have a lot of film on your opposition.
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  Speaker 3: And the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Show it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he is before November the 17th, kind of
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  Speaker 4: a demarcation line of halfway through the season.
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  Speaker 3: He's 13-9 as a head coach.
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  Speaker 2: He's 16-2.
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  Speaker 3: After that date.
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  Speaker 4: So you give Mike McDonald a second opportunity to play
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  Speaker 4: a team when it's a division game or just a
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  Speaker 4: lot of film on a team, and he is going
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  Speaker 4: to scheme you to wins at an almost 90% rate
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  Speaker 4: is what he's shown in the first two years.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh, anything you want to react to in that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think those are a lot of good points by Dick.
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  Speaker 5: That's true, and I think that the commanders showed some
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  Speaker 5: things that they weren't prepared for. Um, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you go back to the, uh, the, the third and
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  Speaker 5: nine play, uh, you know, obviously Seattle thought that the,
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  Speaker 5: the commanders were going to throw the football, allowed them to, to, uh,
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  Speaker 5: a change to a run. Now you've got to have
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  Speaker 5: Drake Thomas set the edge better, but there's no linebacker
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  Speaker 5: at the second level, um, to, to flow that if
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  Speaker 5: he does kick the ball in, um, you're still accounting
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  Speaker 5: for somebody to get off a block quick enough. So
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  Speaker 5: obviously Mike McDonald wouldn't be in that defense unless he
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  Speaker 5: thought they were going to throw.
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  Speaker 2: But they'll fix some things.
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  Speaker 5: As for the safeties, the communication piece, it's not– you
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  Speaker 5: watch Julian Love. Remember how he raved about how he
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  Speaker 5: was playing before? Mike McDonald used the adjective elite. He's
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  Speaker 5: an elite professional safeties. And you just watch it. And
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  Speaker 5: his reaction is so quick. His angles are always right.
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  Speaker 5: He's a tremendous open field tackler. But you see him,
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  Speaker 5: how he points and the communication that happens with him
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  Speaker 5: as the hub of the wheel in the secondary, all
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  Speaker 5: of that is a big part. And if they had
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  Speaker 5: Ty Okada, if they had just had one of them.
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  Speaker 5: But with both of the guys that were coming off
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  Speaker 5: the practice squad, it was a little too much.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Jadarian Price piece that Dick brought up.
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  Speaker 2: How should Mike McDonald have punished him? He wanted to
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  Speaker 2: send a message. Maybe it did. Didn't cost them the game.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he could have done it at practice this week.
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  Speaker 2: You know, done the old college thing where had him
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  Speaker 2: carry a football around with him everywhere or had to
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  Speaker 2: carry an egg around and it couldn't break. I maybe
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  Speaker 2: that was the time to send a message but um
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  Speaker 2: hugh in your experiences when uh a head coach a
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  Speaker 2: proven head coach with a rookie running back that's dropping
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  Speaker 2: footballs and has fumbled twice in three weeks he wants
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  Speaker 2: to send a message how should he have done it
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  Speaker 2: if not benched him for two quarters on sunday.
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  Speaker 5: I personally was okay with it. Again, reasonable minds can differ.
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  Speaker 5: I think that it's, it's important enough through his career. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's not like he benched him for the game. He
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  Speaker 5: still came back in the second quarter and he was
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  Speaker 5: getting carries. Uh, not a lot of them. Uh, you know, look,
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  Speaker 5: Dick has a fair point. Uh, we'll never know. Had
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  Speaker 5: he not been benched, whether or not that would have
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  Speaker 5: been enough. Um, but, uh, There's no doubt when you
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  Speaker 5: watch Emmanuel Wilson down on the goal line on that
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  Speaker 5: wide zone, he just doesn't have the burst. There's no
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  Speaker 5: explosiveness in the backfield in any other person than Jadarian Price.
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  Speaker 5: On that point, it cannot be debated. And right now,
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  Speaker 5: the Seahawks, similar to last year, their outside zone percentage
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  Speaker 5: is 46%. That's fifth in the league. The percent that
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  Speaker 5: actually go outside, which can mean some pin and pulls
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  Speaker 5: and others, 60.3%. That's number one in the league. So
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  Speaker 5: combine those two facts. Seattle is number one in some
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  Speaker 5: descriptions of trying to get outside wide. And they only
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  Speaker 5: have one running back that has the explosiveness to get
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  Speaker 5: outside in professional football.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say let's look this Sunday. I think
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  Speaker 5: they're going to ride this guy. And you might say
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  Speaker 5: this is Jadarian Price's first real professional football game. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: that's semantics and that's twisting. But if he comes back
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  Speaker 5: and we say he's north of 15 carries, then we
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  Speaker 5: could say, OK, now we can begin to assess him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was listening to your postgame show, Dick, when,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, your first impression of Jadarian Price. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you were just kind of blown away by what you
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  Speaker 2: were seeing in opening week. And now here we are
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  Speaker 2: in week number four wondering, do we have a guy
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  Speaker 2: with fumble issues here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's certainly concerning. And it was on the
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  Speaker 4: scouting report coming out of Notre Dame. And you can't have,
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  Speaker 4: especially with as few carries as he had in his
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  Speaker 4: Notre Dame career, it was a high percentage. So it's
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  Speaker 4: obviously something that he needs to work on. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I probably would have benched him for a series or two.
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  Speaker 4: But when you take a look at what he did,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, after he fumbled against Arizona, I mean, he
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  Speaker 4: came right back in and he gained 11 yards on
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  Speaker 4: the very next play.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he was right.
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  Speaker 4: There's just no comparison to the burst that this guy
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  Speaker 4: has versus the burst that Emmanuel Wilson has, George Helani has.
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  Speaker 4: And when you look at where this offense has struggled
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  Speaker 4: more than any place else, it's inside the four yard line.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, we saw a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 4: ago with, you know, three runs in a row. Just
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was just vanilla and slow developing and awful.
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  Speaker 4: And they have to be more dynamic inside the five.
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  Speaker 4: And I think he is the guy that can get
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  Speaker 4: you in the end zone if you give him the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Bradford's going on IR. I mean, do we now
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about not having Anthony Bradford? We spent
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  Speaker 2: part of last season worrying about having Anthony Bradford. How
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  Speaker 2: big of an issue could this be, Hugh?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I can just tell you, okay, Anthony Bradford, there
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  Speaker 5: is a physical nature to him, a violent nature. If
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  Speaker 5: he's got a three technique in front of him, he
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  Speaker 5: can come off the ball and he can move. But
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  Speaker 5: He also has issues out in space as an athlete.
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  Speaker 5: If he has to go to the linebacker level, any
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  Speaker 5: kind of screen or pin and pulls, that's not his game.
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  Speaker 5: In some metrics, the negative impact rate in the running
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  Speaker 5: game last year, 8.64%. That's 67th out of 72 qualifying guards.
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  Speaker 5: That's the bottom 10% pro football focus out of 85
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  Speaker 5: qualifiers in theirs. He was 61st out of 85 in
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  Speaker 5: run blocking, 83rd out of 85 in pass blocking. The
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  Speaker 5: year before, he was 56th out of 79 in run,
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  Speaker 5: 70th out of 79 in pass. And then in 2023,
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  Speaker 5: probably about the time we started talking about all this, hell,
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  Speaker 5: he was better then. It was 44th out of 83
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  Speaker 5: in the run and 74th out of 83 in the pass.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm not judging my evaluation of him. by pro
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  Speaker 5: football focus, I'm just trying to get somebody to ride
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  Speaker 5: shotgun in the car with me, uh, on this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And so, so if you think Anthony Bradford is going
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  Speaker 5: to be the, um, the, uh, the panacea, I'm fine.
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  Speaker 5: Knock yourself out. I, I, I, you know, it's, it's
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  Speaker 5: very hard to isolate variables and correlation does not mean causation.
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  Speaker 5: And so we'll see there, there, there, you know, Jadarian
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  Speaker 5: Price might get the ball more. They, you know, they're,
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  Speaker 5: they're working with Brian Flory and, and every team has
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  Speaker 5: to find its own way. So, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to sit here and say Anthony Bradford's the key to
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  Speaker 5: the offensive line success.
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  Speaker 2: Dick, did you like what you saw out of Sam
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  Speaker 2: Darnold in his first full game as a Seahawk this season?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he was less rusty than I imagined.
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  Speaker 4: I thought we'd see some instances where he's just kind
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  Speaker 4: of off and the receiver can't quite get to a pass.
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  Speaker 4: And we would have been thinking as he's walking back
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  Speaker 4: to the huddle, oh man, 100% Sam Darnold, that ball
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  Speaker 4: would have been on the money, but I didn't really
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  Speaker 4: see that.
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  Speaker 3: So that was.
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  Speaker 4: Really encouraging to me that we didn't look like he
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  Speaker 4: had any mobility issues. I will say there is a,
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  Speaker 4: There's a stress I feel at times when Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 4: drops back to pass and everything gets muddied a little
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  Speaker 4: bit because I do think that this gunslinger mentality that
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  Speaker 4: Sam has that, hey, let's face it, won us the
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  Speaker 4: NFC Championship game. So I don't want to take that
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  Speaker 4: necessarily away from him. The gunslinger mentality and the balls
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  Speaker 4: that get knocked down. I was doing some research yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Sam had 15 batted balls last year. Russell Wilson between
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  Speaker 4: 2018 and 2022. I think nine was the most he
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  Speaker 4: ever had in a season as the Seattle Seahawks quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: And he averaged four batted balls per season. So Sam
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  Speaker 4: likes to throw balls into tight windows.
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  Speaker 3: And if you need to win a.
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  Speaker 4: Game with your offense, like they did against the Rams,
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  Speaker 4: that's the type of quarterback I want in there. But
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  Speaker 4: if you can win a football game by scoring 15 points,
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  Speaker 4: which the Seahawks could probably do about 75% of the time,
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  Speaker 4: then I'm not as thrilled with trying to thread the
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  Speaker 4: needle all the time and get that tough completion in there.
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  Speaker 3: So overall, I thought he played well.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, the two mistakes and even the batted ball,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to kind of give that on Sam a
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  Speaker 4: little bit just because he does have a preponderance.
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  Speaker 3: The numbers say he has a.
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  Speaker 4: Propensity to get his passes batted down at a very
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  Speaker 4: high level. I think he was tied with fourth in
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: the NFL last year in batted balls. So I would
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: love to see those numbers come down a little bit
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: because this defense.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Is so good.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, get us to 17 and we're
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: going to get a win.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Hugh? Okay, so.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: First of all, okay, Sam Darnold, he had 15 batted
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: balls down. Jared Goff had 16. Caleb Williams, 16. And
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence, who's 6'6, had 18. The year before, when
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: he was a 14-3 quarterback for the Vikings.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: He was where the hell? He was 18th in the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: league with eight.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: I've I've been in quarterback meeting rooms with three different
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame players and three other pro bowlers that
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: are not in the Hall of Fame. I've never heard
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: a quarterback coach or an offensive coordinator blame a batted
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: ball at the line of scrimmage on the quarterback. That
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: is a totally different discussion about whether you're trying to
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: throw tight windows down the field. So the interception that happened,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: in my view, is not Sam Darnold's fault. The center's
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: getting walked into your face. If you get a ball
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: batted down at the line of scrimmage, tell me how
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: you coach around that. The guy who bats the ball
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: down doesn't know if it was a tight window behind
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: him or a guy was wide open. It just happened
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: to get batted down at the line of scrimmage. So
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I think it varies. Mostly now there are something, you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: sometimes like Bo Nix gets a lot of balls batted
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: down because he has one of the best offensive lines
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: and guys are taught. Well, if I can't get any penetration,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: then I'll just stand at the line and try and
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: bat the ball down. But then the converse can be– inverse, rather,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: can be true, where if a guy's right in your face,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: in your lap, you can get the ball back. There's
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: just a lot of variables. It changes from year to year.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: And so I think it would be a mistake to
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: assign any blame to Sam Darnold on the first interception.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: The second one, he can't throw. He's got to dirt it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: But I promise you that– we talked about it Monday.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Emmanuel Wilson took a lousy um track uh that you
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: know took it straight sideways which is either a double
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: pass or a fake so that was poorly executed A.J.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Varner balls on the right hash he has a down
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: flat he ended up stopping a yard on the other
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: side opposite side of the hash there's.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: No way A.J.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Varner didn't get a minus or a double minus on
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: his sheet so People have to be better around him,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: but he's got the ball in his hand. Again, I'm
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: not going to absolve him. Sam Darnold, you can't throw
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: that interception, the second one. But, you know, I didn't
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: know this until less than an hour ago. Sam Darnold
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: had an 85.6 pro football grade. Do you know how
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: hard it is to get over 85 and have an interception? Like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: that's an acknowledgment. The dude was lights freaking out. We
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: saw it with our eyes. We saw some of those
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: double coverage throws, stuffing it in a mailbox, throwing to JSN,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: 20 yards down the field on the sideline over the middle.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: He had a hell of a game except for one,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: repeat it, one interception. That's my assessment of Sam from Sunday.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Just an uncharacteristic game overall, I thought. It
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: just didn't feel like Seahawk football. I mean, they played
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: well on both sides of the ball. Defense played well.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Offense played well. And yet those little things that we've
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: just taken for granted that they do, like allowing touchdowns
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: instead of field goals, that felt a lot more important
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: than even Sam Darnold's two interceptions there. in the outcome
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of that game. But we deal with it. We advance.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: We move on to the next game with a 2-1 record.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And here come the desperate Los Angeles Chargers. We'll talk
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: about it next on our 12th Man Roundtable, Sports Radio
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: 93.3 KJRFM.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Now back to Chuck in the morning in the 12th
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Greg Bell and Hugh Millen, brought to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you by the Evergreen Council on Problem Gambling, on your
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: home for the 12th Man, Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, no Greg Bell today. He had to take the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: day off. Mike Benton will be filling in for him
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: during his show at 10 o'clock. And we have the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: pleasure of Dick Fain joining us here for our 12th
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Man Roundtable. Of course, Softie and Dick at 3 o'clock.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And if you've never heard, if you haven't, stick around.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't imagine that you haven't before.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Their post-game show, Dick and Hugh, after every Seahawks football game,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: outstanding post-game show. So we're bringing that energy, that magic
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to the roundtable here today. And for those of you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: out there that, man, I love Hughes breakdowns, but I
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: wish I could see visually him on a whiteboard or
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: something like that. Well, guess what? We're going to do
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: some chalk talk with you at Tulalip Resort Casino next
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Thursday at 5 o'clock. And all comers are welcome. Now,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: there are only going to be a certain number of seats.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So if you are interested in attending this next week
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: at Tulalip Resort Casino, send us a text at 49451.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And we'll see if we can reserve a seat for
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you and a friend for next Thursday at 5 o'clock.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And then we'll be doing our show from Tulalip next
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Friday as well. And that will also feature our QB1
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen. All right. Let's get to all of it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: By the way, Hugh and I are both going to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: be drunk because we're going to show up at Tulalip
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: at noon. Really tie one on next week. And then
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: drunk chalk talk from Hugh Millen is probably even more entertaining,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I would think. I would love that. Every time.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: You used to do this with Gasano.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: On the Garage with Gas-a-thon. Yes, I can confirm that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's good. Without exception. Perfect. Well, let's get a sober
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: take on what's wrong with Justin Herbert. Hugh, I know
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that you're a fan of Justin Herbert. I'm a fan
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of his talents. I think everybody thinks Justin Herbert has
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the capability to be as good as anybody in the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: world at playing quarterback, but... He is really struggling in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel's offense so far this year in what is
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: turning out to be kind of a prove-it year for Herbert.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: What are you seeing about our opponent's quarterback this week
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that is causing him to struggle so much?
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Well, man, this could be a long talk, but it
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: can't be. If I were to condense it, first of all,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: we know he's 6'7, he's a horse, great athlete, three-sport,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: ran for– Damn near 100 yards in a Rose Bowl
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: like like this guy is a freak athlete. And that's
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: why Jim Harbaugh has always described him as the freak.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: He was the academic Heisman as a biology major trying
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: to go pre-med. He's very book smart. My son was,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: you know, as a freshman. Um, my son at Oregon,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: you know, he was the number three quarterback. The number
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: two was Tyler Shuck and the, and Herbert of course
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: was the starter. So, so, um, in that room, you've,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: you've got a bright guy like Mike Florio. I have
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: a ton of respect for him. He came on with
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: soft and he said, he thinks there's a personality mismatch
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: with Mike McDowell. And I gave it a lot of
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: thought and I don't disagree because Mike McDaniels, the new
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, uh, You know, just seems to be kind
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: of one of these, you know, take a psychedelic and and,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: you know, take 15 minutes to get to the frickin
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: point type of guy wearing capri pants. And, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I think I think, you know, Justin Herbert's just a
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: little bit more buttoned up, a little bit more business
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: like now that what is the tape show? Mike McDaniels,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: who came from the 49er system with Brock Purdy with
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: a lollipop arm, has to play with anticipations. He goes
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: to Miami. He had Tua Tungvaluwa, lollipop arm, but Tua
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Tungvaluwa had Dan Fauci in type of anticipation. Throw the
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: ball early. Lay the ball into these holes. That's not
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert, he's legitimately 6'7. He crouched at
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: the combine to make himself 6'6, because he knew that
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: he can't be too tall. He can stand there and
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: rip balls into holes. Anticipation has never been his strong suit.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Now when you look at the interception reel, it's bad.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: He throws a post route deep down the field against
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: the Cardinals, just ignoring the fact that there's a free safety.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Against Buffalo down in the fringe red zone, three-step drop
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: from shotgun, takes two hitches late, late, late, misses a
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: post safety. The post safety just runs. He had a
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: post for a touchdown. The free safety intercepts the ball.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: He also doesn't have receipt. Lad McConkie is a good
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: number two. They have no number one. They have no
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: tight end. And so he is very void of weapons.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: He throws an interception on a deep curl and gets
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: cover three. As a quarterback, you're going, oh, I just know.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: the corner's going to get beat because he's got to
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: worry about the nine route, the go route. So I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: just worried about the underneath coverage. Well, sure enough, the
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: corner just drove from the top down to get the interception.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: That's on the receiver to me. So there's a lot
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: of things going on with the Chargers. None of it's good.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: He just got engaged to Amanda Beers. I think it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: a legitimate question to ask just how distracted he is,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: what have you, but things are very wonky with the Chargers.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good thing she's ugly. So that won't distract him
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: at all. Dick, does an 0-3 desperate charge... I mean,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: we're talking about Jim Harbaugh's Dockers being on the hot seat.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: That was a story yesterday at CBS Sports that he's
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: on the hot seat. I mean, he was the picture
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: used to drive people to click on the story, for
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: goodness sake. So does an 0-3 desperate charger team worry
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you at all coming into town with the Seahawks coming
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: off a loss?
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, it certainly does.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: It would have worried me more had the Hawks found
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: a way to play a D-plus game and still win
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: last week and be 3-0. But I think that the
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: loss in Washington is going to refocus this team a
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: little bit and they'll just be that much more hungry
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: to get a victory. I do think it's going to
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: be a tough game, though. I mean, they are playing
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: for their lives. There's been one team ever to go
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: 0-4 and still make the playoffs. That happened to be
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the Chargers like two decades ago, but that's not going
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: to happen. I mean, the Chargers are done if they
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: lose this football game, and they know they're done if
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: they lose this football game.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's been as big a surprise.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Them and the Texans have been the two biggest surprises
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: for me in the entire NFL season. this season, the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: negative surprises in the entire NFL. I thought after last year,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: how Jim Harbaugh with a team that just, it seemed
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: like every week we were reading about a new season
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: ending injury for another offensive lineman, whether it was Ray
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Sean Slater or Joe Alt or Abiy Adaz, the backup
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: that came in and then he was gone. I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: they just kept losing guys every single week and yet
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: they were able to finish 11 and six. And I
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, Everything went wrong last year. They went
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: 11 and six. Now they bring in Mike McDaniel and
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: to Hugh's point, he's an acquired taste. And Justin Herbert
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: obviously hasn't acquired the taste.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And maybe he won't.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: And they've now got these two guys back in Alton Slater.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: And maybe we find out that they're just not as
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: good at offensive linemen as we thought they were because
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: they've both been pretty bad this year. Rayshon Slater is
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: He's got a 76% pass block win rate.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: That's 57th in the NFL.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: So he is getting absolutely crushed. So yeah, I think
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: it's going to be a tough game. I think it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: going to be a game in the fourth quarter, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I do. think the Seahawks will find a way to win.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: And I think their guards are struggling more than the tackles,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: you know, the Alton Slater, you know, I mean, they
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: feel like, okay, if they're going to, if, if we're
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: going to go down with them, then we're, We're just
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: going to have to go down, but the guards have
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: really been a problem as well.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Eamon Worry expected to be back. That's good news for
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: all Seahawks fans. We haven't seen a lot of them
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: this year, and Mike McDonald's going to change that, it
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: sounds like, this week. Hugh, we might see a full
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Eamon Worry package on Sunday. How much can that change
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: things dramatically for the Seahawks?
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Well, okay, so you go to the game last week. Okay,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Seattle's in zone 82.5%. At that time, he was, Anders,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: can you write this down? So 82%, and then he
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: had the curl flat zone, 79%. Well, last year, 79%
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: of that 82%. Well, last year, it was 74% zone
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: and 76% curl flat as opposed to 79%. And this
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: is an important part because I heard it discussed that
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: that he's a backend safety. No, he's a Sino safety
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: in name only. He's a nickel Sam last year.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: There's an abbreviation for that safety and name only Sino,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: or did you just make that up? Well, I mean,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: we've heard a Rhino, right? I mean, uh, like the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: elections around the corner, right?
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: I'm just, you know, so I'm taking that I'm, I'm
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: modifying that, but, but last year, let me, let me see.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: He had seven snaps as a deep safety. five uh
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: on the right side one on the left.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: And one in the middle as opposed safety seven the
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: entire season counting playoffs he's not a like like any
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: discussion about playing him in the deep is safety like
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: last year it just doesn't square with the facts so
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: at any rate he's an incredibly versatile player that can
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: play man-to-man against receivers tight ends and running backs he
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: did he uh He led the rookies in pass breakups,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: and he had more pass breakups than any rookie of
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: this decade. So he's extremely versatile, but let's not talk
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: about him playing in the back end.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, Dick, who's Dixon if he has one jersey?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Is it Emanuari? Is it Spoon? Is it JSN?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, he has got a JSN jersey.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It's JSN.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: He was down to– End of the 2024 season, he
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: was debating between JSN and Witherspoon, and he decided he
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: wanted Santa to bring the JSN.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: All it's done is provided an Offensive Player of the
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Year award, so I think he chose Watson.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: He hasn't jinxed him. If he was worried about that. Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Everything's good. I've always debated when I'm watching the Seahawks,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: would I get 11-3? Because I don't even do jerseys.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Would I get 11-3 or 21? Which one would I get?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: We're going to get some scores, some keys, and Hugh's
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: final thoughts next. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Now back to Chuck in the morning in the 12th
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Greg Bell and Hugh Millen. Brought to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you by the Evergreen Council on Problem Gambling. On your
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: home for the 12th Man. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I just want to credit Dick Thane here today for
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: not mentioning my backdrop. on the Zoom call because everybody
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: always mentions, why are you out in space, Carl Sagan? Yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you are out in space. How about that? I didn't
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: do it. I didn't do it, Dick, but I like it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I do like it. I'm not going to change it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. I'm not going to figure out
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: how to change it. I like my own background.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: My backdrop is just a kitchen sink.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I saw your wife earlier behind you walking around.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, she's hanging out back there.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to our final segment of our
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: 12th Man Roundtable featuring Dick Fane this week, filling in
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: for Greg Bell. Anders, show Dick how this is done.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I need what the game's going to look like on
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Sunday and a final score.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: Well, I better have confidence in the Seahawks considering I
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: just picked it in Fact or Fiction.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So better pick.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: It by picking to win by eight points or more. Yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: I did pick Seahawks minus seven. Yeah, I just think
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: a lot of the same points that coming off a loss.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: It just feels like McDonald's going to have these guys
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: ready to go. I think they're going to have a
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: somewhat dominant defensive performance. The Chargers kind of feel broken
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: to me. Seahawks coming back home, I think after two
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: weeks on the road also does a lot of good
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: for this team. And there's, I know there's a desperation
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: with LA. I also think there's a, not want to
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: say desperation with the Seahawks, but a, an idea of, Hey,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: the next four weeks on our schedule are a gauntlet.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: We can't go into that being a two and two
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: football team. So getting this one would do a lot
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: of good. And Julian love coming back is going to
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: be a big help for this team. Hopefully that ends
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: up being the case. I think a 23, 13 victory,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: for your Seattle Seahawks.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And when you're taking the Seahawks minus seven, I thought
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: you were thinking 31 to 10.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I could see a lower scoring game. I mean,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: the Chargers haven't had any running game, right, at all
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: to speak of. And as you mentioned earlier, Justin Herbert's
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: kind of struggled a little bit as well in the
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: passing game. So yeah, I still think we're going to
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: see a very Seahawky win here.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: All right, Dick Fane, what do you got? What kind
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: of game you're expecting on Sunday? Give me a final score.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Well, until I see the Seahawks come out and do
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: something offensively in the first half of a game, I'm
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: not going to believe it's going to happen. And so
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to assume that we're going to walk
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: into halftime like we usually walk into halftime and be
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: up seven to three or down ten to seven or
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: it's going to be seven to seven. I'm just. you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I want to see an explosive offensive performance right off
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: the bat, but I haven't seen that yet until halftime.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And then we see the points come on the board
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: for the Seahawks. So I think it's going to be
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: a bit of a slog. I think the Chargers are
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: going to play, you know, pretty close to the vest,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: use the punt. They don't want to get into a
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: shootout with the Seahawks, I wouldn't think. So I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: it's going to be a more of a low scoring
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: game that the, you know.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: The Seahawks end up winning like a 23-17 type game.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: But I just don't think that it's going to be
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: solidified until the final four or five minutes of the game.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Hawks get that one big stop.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: That, you know, with the, with the charges, with the
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: ball down six opportunity to win the game. And they
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: get that big stop and are able to milk the
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: clock down. But I'd like to be wrong. I'd love
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: to be able to say that, yeah, we're going to
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: be walking out of that stadium after a, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: a 27 to seven blowout win like we did against Arizona.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: But I got to see it first to believe it,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: but it's kind of a, to, to Andrew's point, it's a,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: It's a big game. It's kind of disclosure day for
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks coming up on Sunday, because if you go
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: to two and two with wins over teams that had
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: not won previously until they played you. that's an issue
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: now i'm not going to say that's going to end
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the season they're not super bowl contenders if they go
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: two and two but there is a clear issue if
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: you lose two games in the first month of the
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: season to winless football teams.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Good point uh all right uh hugh uh we always
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: wrap up our round table with hugh's uh final thoughts so.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: What are we going to close with here today yeah
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: and on that point if you were two and two
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: and then you got the 49ers and broncos and things
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: you know you You know, so you could start to
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: feel like, Ooh, this is getting a little bit hairy,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: but I would just say, look, I love this team.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: The way a fan loves a team, love the coach,
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: the way a fan loves a coach wouldn't trade him
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: for anybody. So, so it's in that context, I'd say
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: the three turnovers and how it, okay. Points off turnovers. Now,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: obviously the pick six wasn't even points off turnovers. That's a,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: that's an offensive, you know, pick six and, and the
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: defense doesn't even get those points, but, I think the
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: first possession, the fumble from Price, the ball's on the
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: 21-yard line. That defense goes on, and defenses talk all
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: about a sudden change. And you've got to put the
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: field goal team on in four plays. And the way
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: they got gashed and the way they gave up that touchdown,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: if you take last year, not counting the Seahawks. What
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: I'm about to give you is for the last four years,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: these are all top five defenses of which we think
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Seattle is one of them, and how those defenses did
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: on a short field on a sudden change. That's the
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: ball between the 15 and 25-yard line. Everybody got me
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: on that? What should we expect from the Seahawks defense
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: when put in that situation? By the way, that includes
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: the 2023 Ravens, who were number one in scoring, where
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald's defense, he was the defensive coordinator, gave up
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: one touchdown out of three opportunities. So not counting the Seahawks,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: top five defenses since 2022, 14 of 38 touchdowns.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: That's 37%.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: The Seahawks, counting this year the game against the Commanders
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and then last year when they were three for four,
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: they're four for the last five. They're giving up 80%
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: touchdowns on those sudden turnovers. So as much as we
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: love this defense, and we're talking about how turnovers impact points,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: every team I've ever been on, you practice this, you
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: talk about it, and certainly when you're an elite defense,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: there's no way that in the rain, a backup quarterback
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: can go on there in the 21-yard line the first
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: quarter and get seven points out of that.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Can't happen.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: That's got to be a field goal. That's the expectations.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: It's a reasonable expectation. That's what recent history shows. So
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: if that were to happen again, come on, defense, you
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: guys are great, part of being great, is to be
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: able to handle a sudden change in a better fashion.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love that. Love that. Gentlemen, awesome job. Appreciate you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: joining us here for our roundtable. Love the post-game show.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: After every Seahawks game, we'll be tuned in again this week.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate you both for joining us here today. Hockey, though, right?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt you, Chuck. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Isn't it... I don't think we have a post game.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: You might be right.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: We get preempted due to a Seattle crack and hockey.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Let's go, baby. Oh, I'm glad you corrected that. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: just assumed it. I just assumed. All right. Yeah. Well,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: thank you for correcting me, gentlemen. Thank you. Appreciate it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: All right. Uh, Nick Vane joining us here for our
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: 12th man round table coming up next on our radio program.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: It is our final conversation of a lost season, uh,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Ryan Healy will be joining us for one more official time,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: so we'll recap the Mariners' year with the former Mariner
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: next on KJR.