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Women and Happiness: Part 2 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't come a
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  Speaker 1: step I never told your production I high radio, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to us going on ransom about some of the
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  Speaker 1: articles we found our women happiness. Yeah, this is part two.
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  Speaker 1: It is a part two, and I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: could have a part three, part four. We're really hoping
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  Speaker 1: to hear from you listeners. Yes, we do want to
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  Speaker 1: part three with your opinions. Yes, yes, we're too for
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  Speaker 1: a listener mail segment, so send those our way to
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  Speaker 1: check out part one if you haven't already, Because apparently
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  Speaker 1: people have a lot of thoughts on women and happiness
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  Speaker 1: and it's not great. It's not great. So picking back up, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we did recently just read a couple of articles. One
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  Speaker 1: was specifically about the fact that feminism was killing happiness,
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  Speaker 1: essentially from a twenty one article written from a conservative perspective,
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  Speaker 1: and about why you know, happiness can be found through
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  Speaker 1: utilizing our bodies. So that's at the end of the article.
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  Speaker 1: And then we also talked about the fact that Dolan,
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  Speaker 1: who we did talk about this report, previously said the
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  Speaker 1: single women, single childish women, maybe what is the higher
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  Speaker 1: happier population, which, yeah, we talked about all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But we're continuing on with a couple more articles, and
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  Speaker 1: one's actually a comic. I believe Aubrey Hirsch, who uh
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  Speaker 1: spotlighted this article but then also did the illustrations and
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  Speaker 1: the writing for this comic. So uh, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to go look at it, you should again. It's written
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  Speaker 1: by Aubrey Hirsch in the vox. Uh, women are increasingly unhappy.
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  Speaker 1: This comic explains why or women happy, chores, gender gap okay,
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  Speaker 1: and it's part of the happiness issue of the highlight
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  Speaker 1: of Fox. Okay. So here we go. So hopefully I
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  Speaker 1: do this justice because it is a comic, you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be reading it as she gets it from different reports.
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  Speaker 1: So it starts with a science that says Women's Strike
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  Speaker 1: for peace and equality. American women have made progress since
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Women today are better educated and better paid
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  Speaker 1: than we were in nineteen seventy, so it has a
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  Speaker 1: well Graphs continues on. We have more support in our
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  Speaker 1: work at home as well as more opportunities outside the home.
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  Speaker 1: We've made real gains towards equal rights and reproductive freedom.
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  Speaker 1: And yet in the decades between nineteen seventy and two
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  Speaker 1: thousand five, women's self reported happiness scores have declined, both
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  Speaker 1: in the absolute and relative to men's scores. Um There
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  Speaker 1: isn't any more recent data on the phenomenon, but additionally,
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  Speaker 1: studies have shown trends and women's psychology that helped answer
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  Speaker 1: the troubling question If women have made so many substantive
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  Speaker 1: gains in the last fifty years, why are we less happy?
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  Speaker 1: One culprit might be the women's changing x difectations. As
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  Speaker 1: our opportunities in life and work increase, so did our
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  Speaker 1: opportunities to compare ourselves not just to other women, but
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  Speaker 1: to the men around us. Our expanding awareness of our
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  Speaker 1: persisting limitations might cause us to report feeling less happy.
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  Speaker 1: The growing complexity of women's lives may also be a factor.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy, a woman who was primarily a homemaker
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  Speaker 1: might judge her happiness based solely on her family life,
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  Speaker 1: whereas a woman fifty years later might be considering circumstances
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  Speaker 1: at home and at work. All of this is good news,
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  Speaker 1: since it suggests that is our frame of reference for
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  Speaker 1: happiness that may have shifted and the bar has been raised.
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  Speaker 1: But another explanation for the persistence of the male female
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  Speaker 1: happiness gap is that men may have reaped more than
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  Speaker 1: their share of benefits from the women's movement. Marriage economists
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  Speaker 1: Betsy Steveson and Justin wolf First speculate that wild men
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the spoils of sexual revolution. They are far less
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  Speaker 1: impacted by the decline of traditional families and rising economic inequality,
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  Speaker 1: and although men's contributions have increased, women still do, on average,
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  Speaker 1: more than twice the house work that men do, according
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  Speaker 1: to the leading family researcher Scott Coltrane. Because women's increasing
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  Speaker 1: participation in the workforce has not been met with a
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  Speaker 1: proportionally decreasing responsibilities at home, many women are now forced
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  Speaker 1: to work what sociologists Arlie Russell, hush Child, and and
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  Speaker 1: Machan called the second shift that cuts into our leisure time.
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  Speaker 1: This exposes some of the work we still need to
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  Speaker 1: do until we can enjoy real equality in every sphere.
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  Speaker 1: Women's happiness is bound to lag behind men's. And then
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  Speaker 1: if you go loy she has a little hierarchy of
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  Speaker 1: needs for women. Essentially at the bottom bodily autonomy, second
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  Speaker 1: of safety, the justice, then education, then work, then at
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  Speaker 1: the top home. M that's an interesting I've never seen this,
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  Speaker 1: especially now that we're finally close enough to see what
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  Speaker 1: we're missing. So that was the end of it. Um Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is twenty nineteen, and we talked about this in
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  Speaker 1: reference to the pandemic, and I found that interesting. And
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  Speaker 1: that again that hierarchy pyramid that they had created specifically
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  Speaker 1: for women's happiness, that was interesting. I've never seen that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think, again, if you haven't listened to part one,
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  Speaker 1: and go listen to it. But I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: really good point that has made in this comic, is
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  Speaker 1: that it's also maybe the bars shifting because as women
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  Speaker 1: moved into the workplace, we were like, wait, so now
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this job, but also still expected to do
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  Speaker 1: this thing from before, which is like the housecare and
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  Speaker 1: the child care and all this stuff. And and I
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  Speaker 1: we talked about it in a recent book club, but
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  Speaker 1: that the idea of men really reaping the benefits from
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  Speaker 1: the women's movement in terms of like the sexual revolution
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  Speaker 1: where they don't have to raise the children if that,
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  Speaker 1: if that happens, and that kind of being the impetus
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  Speaker 1: for why abortion became such a big hot button issue.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point to make too,
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  Speaker 1: because obviously it is important. It is kind of like
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  Speaker 1: our whole thing, but there's still use societal inequalities where
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  Speaker 1: men are benefiting. Oh, you're now, and also you'll still
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  Speaker 1: do the house so I can take care of the kids. Fantastic,
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  Speaker 1: but you're going to cook dinner. Yeah, And that found
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  Speaker 1: it interesting because we talked about this in previous episode
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  Speaker 1: when we were talking about the fact that the feminist
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  Speaker 1: movement was based on women going to work and leaving
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  Speaker 1: the home, but that is behind the women who do
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  Speaker 1: want to stay at home and having to shift both
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  Speaker 1: narratives and not being able to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: that movement because I'm no, no, no no, you need to
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  Speaker 1: get out. But it was also very like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is very classist as well as racist to to not
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  Speaker 1: think about all of these other underlying needs here. But
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of that same conversation of like the
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  Speaker 1: bar has been changed. What we have now focused on
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  Speaker 1: is important, leaves behind what needs to be addressed as well,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't want to focus on it because that's
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  Speaker 1: too much of an old school idea for us to
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  Speaker 1: look at, and that includes who does work at the
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  Speaker 1: home and how do you share it? And how do
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  Speaker 1: you become equal, not just out in the work place,
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  Speaker 1: which is what we could typically focus on, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: money and paychecks are measurable, right right. And I think
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  Speaker 1: also just the it's unfortunately been very effective the kind
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  Speaker 1: of anti feminism narrative and a lot of these things
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about, even any like strategic incompetence, where
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  Speaker 1: it's for a lot of women, the bar is just
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  Speaker 1: of success is just higher and expectations is just higher. Um.
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  Speaker 1: That is something we feel ourselves because we were raised
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  Speaker 1: that way, but it's also put on us. And so
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a part of this too, is that
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  Speaker 1: whole like you can have it all, you can do
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  Speaker 1: it all, and then we'll give you like the most
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  Speaker 1: passing of smattering praise and then not give you any
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  Speaker 1: raises or anything, but like, oh wow, you were able
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  Speaker 1: to do all of that. I can't believe it. How
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  Speaker 1: do you do it anyway? Because you've done it, we
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  Speaker 1: expect it. Will be disappointed if you can't keep doing it, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: I won't keep doing it. And if you have children,
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  Speaker 1: it's so hard. It's just very effective to use children
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  Speaker 1: and against women in that argument of well, there are
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  Speaker 1: going to suffer if you don't step up, or if
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  Speaker 1: you don't do those things, or you're not fit for
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  Speaker 1: the workplace if you care too much about your children exactly,
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  Speaker 1: because then you don't care as much about your work. Right, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're just a woman thinking about babies. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: also really did like the idea as you were saying,
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  Speaker 1: is that mindset? And they do talk about that at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, about the fact that we put pressure on ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't necessarily it's that society puts pressure on us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the first article that we talked about
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  Speaker 1: in part one where they're like, oh, they just want
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  Speaker 1: to blame the patriarchy. But if a system existed in
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  Speaker 1: order to keep maintain power for one specific gender, one
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  Speaker 1: specific rays, then yeah, they're still to blame and we
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  Speaker 1: should call it out. So stop shaming that. And that
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  Speaker 1: is that conversation. Is that because we have to? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: god damn it. The fact that we're talking about Supreme
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  Speaker 1: Court us this nominee Katangi Brown Jackson and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that she's so overly qualified. Literally the people who oppose her,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham said, she's amazing, She's qualified, I'm going to vote.
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  Speaker 1: Note that tells you right there, right there, what kind
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  Speaker 1: of system is set up. And it's not just a mindset,
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  Speaker 1: because she has completely proven herself repeatedly with these obnoxious
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  Speaker 1: questions that have nothing to do with being a judge
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  Speaker 1: or Supreme Court justice. But yet, yeah, she's deemed as
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  Speaker 1: not qualified by a certain group of people who want
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  Speaker 1: to maintain a status quo. Yeah, And I think that
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  Speaker 1: that is part of what we're talking about here, because again,
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  Speaker 1: these are articles that sort of popped up early into
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  Speaker 1: Google Search when it's like women in happiness and like
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  Speaker 1: one of the first ones is like feminism is ringing happiness,
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  Speaker 1: and the other one it's like, oh, single women are
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  Speaker 1: more happy, and then this one is like happiness is
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  Speaker 1: going down. But here's why. And I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: I believe I said this in the last one too.
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  Speaker 1: Is it's worth seeing these interests we're seeing that we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing this very qualified woman being told like that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter essentially, And so we've talked about this in so
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  Speaker 1: many episodes because I think of gaming to where it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that will that women come in and play with us,
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  Speaker 1: but only if they play second stream. They play by
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  Speaker 1: our rules. They're still for us to look at there,
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  Speaker 1: still like we are in control of this. You're just
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  Speaker 1: for us, and it's so cute. You want to play
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  Speaker 1: in this like sandbox with us, but if you rock
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  Speaker 1: anything in this boat, you're out. We're gonna yell at
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  Speaker 1: you to go make a sandwich. Which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: every time I've seen a TikTok video of women gamers
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  Speaker 1: coming int and just destroying these dudes who were like,
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  Speaker 1: oh jeez, coming in all you know you hear the
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  Speaker 1: I guess is it uh? Twitch streamers who play with
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  Speaker 1: each other. I don't know games, y'all. Things I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: But at one point, you know you're here to do
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  Speaker 1: saying oh, here she comes, blah blah blah, and she
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  Speaker 1: may not say anything. Typically the women don't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: They just come in. You see a picture of our
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  Speaker 1: face smiling because she knows she's about to rip them.
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  Speaker 1: And then when she starts, they're like, oh man, what
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  Speaker 1: is she doing to do? What are you doing? And
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  Speaker 1: like yelling at her, and then she will say something
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  Speaker 1: along along the lines of oh, I thought you said
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  Speaker 1: that no one could do that. I'm here to help
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  Speaker 1: you out. And then go make us a sandwich and
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  Speaker 1: then essentially running away from her after she beats their ass.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that constantly need and like seriously that
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  Speaker 1: one phrase is continually set go make us a sandwich?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the key phrase that I don't know about.
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  Speaker 1: Is that supposed to be like a trigger button thing
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  Speaker 1: that where the boys come in pile on. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean because I remember when I was at Georgia
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  Speaker 1: Tech and there was like a hilly Clinton rallies. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: people came and showed up and said that like to
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  Speaker 1: go back to the kitchen, um, go make it is
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  Speaker 1: a sandwich. So I think that's a very like just
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  Speaker 1: trying to reduce women and make them kind of the
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  Speaker 1: subservient position. I mean, couldn't it be like go make
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  Speaker 1: us a pot roast. It's much more difficult. I guess
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  Speaker 1: it depends on the sandwich. But I do think I
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  Speaker 1: do think that that that kind of constant like you
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  Speaker 1: can't escape these things. Right If I go to play
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  Speaker 1: a video game, then it's always like a reminder to
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  Speaker 1: me that I'm viewed this way. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: also a piece of this puzzle of like why women
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  Speaker 1: aren't as happy because it's just a constant deluge of
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  Speaker 1: sexist nonsense that you have to like have the strength
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  Speaker 1: to combat it when even internally you might be dealing
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  Speaker 1: with imposter syndrome or whatever it is right in the
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  Speaker 1: face of all of this. On and again we talked
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  Speaker 1: about imposter syndrome and the fact that this imposter syndome
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  Speaker 1: is not necessarily just that we think that we can't
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  Speaker 1: do it. It's been that it's been ingrained into our
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  Speaker 1: minds and repeatedly told that we can't do it. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not just us pretending that we can't. It's because
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  Speaker 1: we've been told. So we need to lay it the
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  Speaker 1: responsibility where it needs to be laid. But you know something,
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  Speaker 1: on top of what we've been researching in this and
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  Speaker 1: as we're reading these articles, of course with that, it
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  Speaker 1: showed us a lot of articles about where people are happy.
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  Speaker 1: And there was one article and it wasn't just about women,
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  Speaker 1: but about just being happy. So we wanted to end
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  Speaker 1: with this article, which is titled want to make your
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  Speaker 1: country happier? Elect Women. This came out um and it
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  Speaker 1: was by Rhean Eisler and Robin Baker and I hope.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that correctly, um and it was in Miss magazine,
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  Speaker 1: So here's some quotes from that. Happiness has often perceived
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  Speaker 1: as an elusive feeling, a fleeting moment in a person's life.
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  Speaker 1: National happiness might sound absurd, but a recent study by
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  Speaker 1: the United Nations reveals that happiness can actually be a
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  Speaker 1: public policy with highly successful results. One World Happiness Report
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  Speaker 1: shows that high levels of government spending on human infrastructure,
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  Speaker 1: the services and systems that improve people's quality of life,
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  Speaker 1: are the key to happiness. The top ranked countries of
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  Speaker 1: the World Happiness Reports share this high level of public
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  Speaker 1: investment and human infrastructure. Finland came in first for the
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  Speaker 1: fourth year in a row, followed by Denmark, Switzerland, Iceland
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  Speaker 1: and the Netherlands. They have very healthy market economies precisely
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  Speaker 1: because they invest heavily in caring for people starting at birth.
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  Speaker 1: These countries are not socialists, they simply have more women
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  Speaker 1: in leadership positions. Finland, for example, past the Parliament Act
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  Speaker 1: to give women the right to vote and run for
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  Speaker 1: parliam nentry elections in nineteen o six, much earlier than
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  Speaker 1: the US, and today women are about half of Finland's
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  Speaker 1: national legislature. However, neither the World Happiness Report nor policymakers
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge the connection between the two. Human infrastructure is supported
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  Speaker 1: by women and leading government positions. This correlation can be
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  Speaker 1: explained by another still generally ignored fact that care works,
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  Speaker 1: such as caring for children and the elderly, has been
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  Speaker 1: devalued under a hidden gendered system of values that has
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  Speaker 1: gone along with the ranking of men masculinity over women femininity.
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  Speaker 1: Women in leadership positions understand this historic pattern and that
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  Speaker 1: its solution lies in providing more choices to families for
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  Speaker 1: access to public services that help nurture human development and
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  Speaker 1: balance the gender division of labor. Therefore, the presence of
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  Speaker 1: women and government leads to more caring policies that support
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  Speaker 1: human infrastructure for all, from high quality early education to
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  Speaker 1: universal health care. However, the participation of women in a
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  Speaker 1: government's policy making requires a pre existing high status of
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  Speaker 1: women in general. International studies show that the status of
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  Speaker 1: women is a powerful predict of a nation's general equality
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  Speaker 1: of life and economic success. Already in based on statistical
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  Speaker 1: data from eighty nine nations, the Center for Partnership Studies
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  Speaker 1: published report titled Women, Men, and the Global quality of life,
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  Speaker 1: demonstrating this exact correlation. Since then, other studies such as
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  Speaker 1: the World Value Survey and the World Economic Forums at
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  Speaker 1: Gender gap reports have also confirmed the correlation between a
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  Speaker 1: country's standards of living and economy and the statusfy women.
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  Speaker 1: The rise of women's status empowers women to run for government. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: little attention has been given to the economic success of
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  Speaker 1: the nations with the lowest gender gaps, such as Finland, Norway,
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  Speaker 1: Denmark and Sweden. In reality, a higher valuing of the
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  Speaker 1: stereotypical feminine caring, caregiving, and non violence is not only
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  Speaker 1: good for women, it is also good for men and
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  Speaker 1: children of both genders, as well as for business. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I had a moment of like
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  Speaker 1: having to hold it in when we talked about care work,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, I shouted again. But this is
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  Speaker 1: obviously a stark contrast from the first article that we
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  Speaker 1: read at the beginning of this two parter, when it
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  Speaker 1: does talk about the fact that from birth to death
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  Speaker 1: you expect us to take care of women and children,
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  Speaker 1: and this is like, oh yeah, seriously, that makes us
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  Speaker 1: happy from birth to death. And I will say this
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  Speaker 1: is also this magazine is a little is biased and
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  Speaker 1: that it is less leaning like us. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna say because the other one I did say is conservative.
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  Speaker 1: This is definitely less leaning as well as a fact.
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  Speaker 1: Though unlike the other report where I had to try
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  Speaker 1: to click on the research that they penned for us
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  Speaker 1: that went to another conservative article without the actual I
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  Speaker 1: could not get to the Pew research unless I just
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  Speaker 1: type it in by myself, this one actually does highlight
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  Speaker 1: the actual Like you click on it, it takes you
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  Speaker 1: to that actual statistics and study. So something to be
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  Speaker 1: said about that. But I love everything about this article. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It is an implication of where the U S is
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  Speaker 1: and and if you read the whole article, the bottom
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  Speaker 1: talks about the current administration and what they are doing,
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  Speaker 1: how they're trying to fix it. We're not talking about that.
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  Speaker 1: We're just talking about the study that they're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Finland has been the number one happiest country. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole other conversation about the intersectionality of it
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  Speaker 1: all and who is able to thrive in those areas. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: and we can come back to that, and we should
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  Speaker 1: come back to that. But the overall fact that yes,
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  Speaker 1: helping women and having women in leadership actually makes everyone happy.
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  Speaker 1: That just makes so much sense to me. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, women are alf the population and they
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  Speaker 1: do have these historically different areas that they've been living
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  Speaker 1: in and in terms of like raising children and being
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  Speaker 1: the ones responsible for that largely, and the like undervalued
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  Speaker 1: care work which we were talking about is I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's huge. If you have somebody come in and be like, no,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: this is important and we need this, and that's going
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  Speaker 1: to help our economy and it's going to help happiness,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and that's going to just uplift all of the actions
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: of our country. To me, that just makes sense. Right.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And here's the other part to this, because that first
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  Speaker 1: article got me heated and the fact that it was
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  Speaker 1: one of the first things I could find. I was like,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: we talked about the unity, and this is talking about
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and and the article make sure to say
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: these countries are not socialists, because we know the word
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: socialism has really sparked a lot of anger and along
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: political lines. But when it comes to like the biblical
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: essence of community that has been disbanded in the conservative ideas.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: From what I've gathered, that whole conversation when she says
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the unintentionally dystopian portrait thought up during the Obama administration,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: which is hilarious, was meant to let us know that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: government is here to supply our every need from birth
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to death without placing any kind of demands on our behavior.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: So obviously it was like, you need to take responsibility
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: from birth to death. La da da. You don't need help,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: It's obvious what's being said. It's saying that you need
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to be able to take care of your own and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: take care of your responsibilities. We're not going to help you,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just deal with it, even though the Crisis Pregnancy Center
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: really you said they do help, but they don't. You
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: just said it will start you on a path. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they also say, you know, you need to take responsibility
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and not expect any kind of demands. Blah blah blah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And then we have this article showing an example where
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they say they have a very healthy market precisely because
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: they invest heavily and caring for people starting at birthright,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: which is a stark contrast and what she is saying.
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  Speaker 1: But we have an example here of what is working.
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  Speaker 1: And we know that this country was based on very
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: conservative religious ideas like what she just said. Yeah, And
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that we've talked before about in
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: this country specifically how we um really we really hold
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: up like capitalist ideas and work and making money and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you do it on your own, you pull yourself up
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: by your own boots chaps, and we've made that into
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: like a mid like an ideology, this is what you want,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and that we also kind of really centered masculinity and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: masculine traits and behaviors. And I've talked recently about like,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know that glorification that asked. I think that's at
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: play here. But then also there's just kind of related.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: There's just this narrative that I don't know. It's clear
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that we're rich people and capitalism have such a hold
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: on this country where we're like, yeah, it's more important
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that we give these like tax breaks and stuffusease to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: rich people who help people get elected, and everyone else
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: is just like making less and less than getting less
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and less and getting worse off, and the gap is
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: getting bigger, and so the happiness part, it's I mean,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I know I've said it before, but my mom told
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: me once money doesn't buy a you know what it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: makes it easier. So if we had the support from birth,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: where it's not it's just you know, being able to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: afford childcare or like anything like that that gives you
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the space to build a healthier society that is happier.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And some of that is also being able to afford
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: giving to your children. And I don't mean to spoil them,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about, because yes, those rich
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: people who give the kids like cars at age three
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: as a whole different conversation, But what I'm talking about
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: is like my family and my parents who couldn't give
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: me the teeth that I needed, you know what I mean,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: as a child, and feeling bad about that and coming
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: back and me like, I'm so sorry we couldn't provide
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that for you, you know, giving me a car so
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: that could do activities, not that that I was able
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to earn it, but like we're teaching our children that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the only way you can do this is to drive
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: yourself into the ground for a capitalistic idea at earning
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: minimum wage at this age and then trying to prioritize
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: money over education, prioritize money over love, and like all
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of these things as a whole different conversation, and can
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we do it? Yeah, we have, We've done it. Could
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: it be a different story if we didn't have to?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And are we saying all women in leadership is great?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: No prime examples of like why did you do this?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: What did you? We're talking about qualified women and qualified
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: men who support Again, though it's harder to find underqualified women.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: We can there's always exceptions to the rule, but it's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: harder to find underqualified women than it is to find
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: underqualified men. Just sort of a numbers game. But yeah, right, yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: um yeah, again, it just makes sense to me. It
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Oh, I'm feeling conflicted these happiness episodes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So it's not too negative the kind of negatives. Look,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm back and forth. It is, it is, And I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of just examining we need to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: do of the narratives we've been fed our whole lives
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: exactly of what happiness even is. Yes, well, speaking of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: listeners again, we need those happiness stories from you. Any thoughts,
• 25:20
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• 25:23
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