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Dynasty Sports Life Ep 218 Marcus and the four sport startup · Dynasty Sports Life

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Speaker 1: The In This League Podcast Network.
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Speaker 2: This is Dynasty Sports Life, a podcast about playing fantasy baseball, basketball, football,
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Speaker 2: and hockey.
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Speaker 1: 365 days a year. Here's your host, Jesse Sevier. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the Dynasty Sports Life. Jesse Sevier here, ready to
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Speaker 1: talk to you about the wonderful world of Dynasty Fantasy Sports,
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Speaker 1: the NBA season. It's here. The day that you're listening
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Speaker 1: to this or the day that this should be dropping
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Speaker 1: should be the opening day of the NBA season starting
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Speaker 1: at weird hours of the day. And I hope everybody
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Speaker 1: is tuning in because that is going to be fun.
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Speaker 1: Starting to watch to see what happens in the post-tanking
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Speaker 1: NBA era. Quote unquote. Hockey rolling on. Football rolling on.
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Speaker 1: Baseball rolling on. my Lord, my Milwaukee Brewers are in
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Speaker 1: the World Series. I'm almost embarrassed. This is, yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is amazing. Of course, right after I move out of Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: But I went to a game this year, which I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure means that if they win, I get a ring.
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Speaker 1: And also today, we're going to go back to blender country.
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Speaker 1: If you don't remember why I play a blender sound,
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Speaker 1: if you think I just hate you by playing that,
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Speaker 1: it's because When we do episodes that cross the borders
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Speaker 1: of the four sports that we cover here, we call
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Speaker 1: it a blender because we're mixing things up. We're talking
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Speaker 1: multiple sports at once. So that's the sound about to
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Speaker 1: hit your ears with my man Marcus and the blender. Marcus,
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Speaker 1: you're wearing that. You've taken off the Cowboys hat. You
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Speaker 1: have the Marlins hat. It's a rip-off Brewers hat. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's very good of you to do. We
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Speaker 1: don't know, as of this listing, whether the Brewers have
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Speaker 1: advanced to the World Series. We're recording that right now.
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Speaker 1: But it's all right. This is timeless. This is timeless content.
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Speaker 1: So we can record it. The Marlins never make the
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Speaker 1: World Series, except when they do out of nowhere, and
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Speaker 1: then they always win the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: Until COVID, every time they made the playoffs, they've won
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Speaker 2: the World Series. So pretty good percentage there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that barely counts. You and I are, we're
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Speaker 1: brothers for life because three years ago, we went through
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Speaker 1: a formative experience of attempting to do the most massive
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Speaker 1: draft I'm sure either one of us has ever tried,
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Speaker 1: starting up this four-sport dynasty. And it was, in fact,
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Speaker 1: a 110-round, 18-team, pro draft followed by a 40 round
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Speaker 1: 18 team prospect draft. People have heard about the four
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Speaker 1: sport league before on this show. And I know some
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Speaker 1: people probably kind of want to tune it out when
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Speaker 1: we're talking about, no, nobody wants to hear about somebody
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Speaker 1: else's fantasy league. I get it, but this is the
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Speaker 1: N equals one for the real four sport dynasties that
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Speaker 1: I can talk about. And you can talk about And
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Speaker 1: one of the things when you're doing a draft in
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Speaker 1: a league like that is, or any dynasty draft, who
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Speaker 1: the heck knows how it came out. And we're kind
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Speaker 1: of going to talk from the perspective of three years later,
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Speaker 1: what we think about some of the things that happened.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know, Marcus. So this is a,
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Speaker 1: this is an exercise. I think you were interested in
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Speaker 1: putting yourself through for some reason.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what? Everyone kind of feels like they
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Speaker 2: know what is best, right? Everyone who plays fantasy and
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Speaker 2: plays it a lot as an expert, or at least
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Speaker 2: We feel like we're doing it and we're good most
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Speaker 2: of the time, right? And we don't make bad decisions.
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Speaker 2: And regardless of how many posts on Reddit about this
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Speaker 2: trade is league breaking, blah, blah, blah. Why would you
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Speaker 2: draft him? At the end of the day, we don't
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Speaker 2: really know what's going to happen, especially in Dynasty until
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Speaker 2: several years down the line. So what a treat taking
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Speaker 2: one of the most daunting things that I've ever done
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Speaker 2: fantasy-wise and being able to look back and I thought
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Speaker 2: I was successful, right? And to think I was successful
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Speaker 2: at the time. And then to look back and just
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Speaker 2: see what really happened and what it looks like today.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Spoiler alert for me. I am
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Speaker 1: just tortured by what I'm seeing here. I feel like,
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Speaker 1: oh no. Every time I look at what I picked
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Speaker 1: in the startup draft, I have forgotten and I have
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Speaker 1: shame and I feel like what in the heck was
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Speaker 1: I doing? But yeah, we're going to talk about a
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Speaker 1: few years on some of the things that may be
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Speaker 1: we thought we knew then and we know differently now,
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Speaker 1: or just some observations that we have a few years
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Speaker 1: out about how some of these dynasty decisions have aged
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Speaker 1: and what we thought about it. I know coming in,
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Speaker 1: you had, we've famously, a team of three and you
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Speaker 1: guys came in with a strategy. So what did you
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Speaker 1: guys think when you first started this out, Marcus? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So thankfully I have my co-GMs, Mick and Glenn. All
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Speaker 2: of us have one sport that we made sure to
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Speaker 2: dedicate like all of our research on. So that way
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Speaker 2: it didn't overburden anybody with feeling like, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what kind of psycho would want to do it all
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Speaker 2: by themselves, Jesse, but there are a few of you
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Speaker 2: out there that wanted to do it. But these are
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Speaker 2: two of my closest friends in the whole world. And
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Speaker 2: it was just a great way for us to reconnect
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Speaker 2: across the country and do something that we all do anyways, right?
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Speaker 2: And we all have fun with it. Our strategy was
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Speaker 2: two thirds, right? Two thirds of us, there's always a
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Speaker 2: majority to make the decision and how we approach the
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Speaker 2: draft was At every pick, we're going to place who
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Speaker 2: we thought were our top three best players available for
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Speaker 2: each of the sports. I did basketball. Mick did baseball.
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Speaker 2: Glenn did hockey. And then we all, everyone has a
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Speaker 2: pretty good knowledge of football for more or less. So
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Speaker 2: we all just threw whoever we wanted. We all picked
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Speaker 2: one person for football and just made our list of
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Speaker 2: 12 folks. When it came about five or so picks
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Speaker 2: before us, So that way we weren't stressed about making
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Speaker 2: some giant list or worrying about values, blah, blah, blah.
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Speaker 2: But we had a really good group of maybe five
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Speaker 2: or six guys to choose from once it got to
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Speaker 2: our spot. Once we got to our spot, we just
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Speaker 2: had an idea of, okay, what do we need? What
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Speaker 2: do we have so far? Sorry, Mick, I don't care
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Speaker 2: about baseball. So we're just going to keep pushing that
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Speaker 2: one down the end. And then Glenn was pretty confident
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Speaker 2: that he could figure it out in prospects and later
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Speaker 2: in finding value later with good contracts. So we really
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Speaker 2: prioritized football and basketball. When we approached it, I believe
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Speaker 2: we were the 15th pick or the 16th pick. And
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Speaker 2: we just made a commitment. We were going to pick
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Speaker 2: the best basketball player available at that point, the youngest,
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Speaker 2: best one that we felt. And then on the comeback,
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Speaker 2: we were going to choose between Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes,
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Speaker 2: whoever was there, because then we knew we'd be set
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Speaker 2: a quarterback for the next seven to 10 years. And
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Speaker 2: it was just something that we never had to worry about.
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Speaker 2: And after that, we were going to roll the dice
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Speaker 2: with our top, top 12 folks that every pick and
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Speaker 2: make a group decision on what we'd like to at
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Speaker 2: the moment. How about you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my strategy coming in, obviously I was prioritizing youth
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Speaker 1: and salary. So I was looking across the board. I
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Speaker 1: tried to rank everybody in the same set of ranks.
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Speaker 1: I had a huge spreadsheet of where I had my
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Speaker 1: rough projections for all four sports and fairly elementary projections
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Speaker 1: back in those times. But I was thinking in terms
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Speaker 1: of cynically felt like people coming into these leagues are
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Speaker 1: generally stronger at baseball and football, and especially baseball being
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Speaker 1: really deep. And I felt like hockey and basketball were
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Speaker 1: also sports where players seemed to age better. I liked
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Speaker 1: my basketball. prospect knowledge in baseball. So I went for
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Speaker 1: hockey and basketball. That was my plan. And ultimately, I've
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Speaker 1: been successful. I've won both of them. I don't know how.
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Speaker 1: After looking at the startup draft, I won both of
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Speaker 1: them once in three years. I've won each of them once.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought that good things had happened in
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Speaker 1: the startup draft. But that was my strategy coming in.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like I executed it. It's not that
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Speaker 1: I avoided it. all the other sports at the top.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about my first round pick, which
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Speaker 1: was baseball later, but it, it turned out to, to,
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Speaker 1: I executed according to my plan, by the way, if
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Speaker 1: you ever do a draft and you have a plan
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Speaker 1: and you come out of the, come out of the
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Speaker 1: draft and you don't feel like you have the best
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Speaker 1: team or one of the best teams, you must be
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Speaker 1: doing it wrong because you obviously are evaluating guys differently
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Speaker 1: from everybody else. So if you take the players, you
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Speaker 1: like more, you almost by definition are always going to
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Speaker 1: feel good about your draft. Otherwise you, You just can't
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Speaker 1: execute on your own thing, which is not great. Anyway, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that is how it started. And I felt pretty good
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Speaker 1: at the end of it. How did you feel at
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Speaker 1: the end of that startup draft?
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Speaker 2: We felt very confident. We felt very confident right out
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Speaker 2: the gate. Glenn is a math wizard, and he was
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Speaker 2: ready to rock and roll to the nearest dollar for hockey.
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Speaker 2: So we were really on task. We had already mapped
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Speaker 2: out the next three years of contracts for baseball. basketball.
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Speaker 2: Baseball was the last sport in the season. So we
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Speaker 2: figured we'd address it if we had to. And we
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Speaker 2: start off, we went essentially undefeated in football to start
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Speaker 2: off the league. So we knew right away that if
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Speaker 2: you're going to finish top three in football, you're already
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Speaker 2: in a really good chance to compete for the four sport.
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Speaker 2: So go for it. So it really worked out well
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Speaker 2: the first year. We tied with Kevin for the lead,
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Speaker 2: but unfortunately lost the tiebreaker. So that will always be
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Speaker 2: a little asterisks for us. But since then though, however,
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Speaker 2: not going as well, Jesse, not going as well. Great start.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's certainly teams have had different trajectories, which
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Speaker 1: you would expect in dynasty. So we wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about the, we're not, we're not my Lord. I just
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Speaker 1: described to you 150 round 18 team draft. What is that? Nine,
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Speaker 1: many thousands of players anyway. So we're not that nobody,
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Speaker 1: nobody is going to try to bore you with the
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Speaker 1: whole thing, but At the time, I think most people
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Speaker 1: going into this felt like there was a decent top
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Speaker 1: five picks that we would want between the sports. And
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Speaker 1: how did you feel about it? Was that the way
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Speaker 1: you looked at it coming into this draft? And if so,
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Speaker 1: how did you feel like we came out of it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, before we actually did the Was it the duck race? However,
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Speaker 2: we discerned all the hundred yard fight before we did
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Speaker 2: the hundred yard fight to figure out who drafted first.
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Speaker 2: We were like, man, I don't know. What do you think?
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Speaker 2: Let's put all the sports best players together. Let's do
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Speaker 2: their contracts. And we narrowed it down. Personally, we had
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Speaker 2: it to about three players on our end that we
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Speaker 2: thought were like, if we're in the top three, we
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Speaker 2: want these three and then we'll figure it out from there.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's, it played out exactly how we anticipated
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Speaker 2: maybe one really wasn't on our radar for the top five,
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Speaker 2: but the order wasn't the same, but I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to disagree with the order. All those players are phenomenal
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Speaker 2: players and they've been significant fantasy contributors at this point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The names are not unfamiliar. The top five went
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Speaker 1: Connor McDavid, Luka Doncic, Shohei Otani, Ronald Acuna Jr., Nikola
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Speaker 1: Jokic at the very top. So people were avoiding football
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Speaker 1: as one would expect in a dynasty startup where your
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Speaker 1: football players are only going to last for so long.
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Speaker 1: And we're really, yeah, there, but there's a split between
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Speaker 1: the other three sports and yeah, I don't know of
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Speaker 1: this five pack, which one do you think you guys
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Speaker 1: would have taken? You were in 16th pick, but if
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Speaker 1: you would have had the chance at any of these players,
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Speaker 1: who do you think you would have taken?
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Speaker 2: We did narrow it down to two where if we're
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Speaker 2: getting the top two, we really have to figure out
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Speaker 2: between these two players, which will have the most impact.
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Speaker 2: And ultimately we knew that there was going to be
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Speaker 2: a big contract coming for Shohei, but he, based on
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Speaker 2: the rules that we had, he was able to support
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Speaker 2: out both sides of the ball, which would have the
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Speaker 2: most significant impact for baseball. And it's shown because every
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Speaker 2: team that's had him essentially has been very successful in
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Speaker 2: baseball and, including we had a champion with Shohei as well.
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Speaker 2: And that 70 million contract didn't really matter a whole
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Speaker 2: lot in the end when you win the title. But
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Speaker 2: we had Shohei one, and then we had Nikola Jokic
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Speaker 2: two at the end of the day.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Shohei one and Nikola Jokic two. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: that was fair. Jokic is older than you might think,
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Speaker 1: obviously was three years younger then, and you would have
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Speaker 1: had the advantage of the baseball players that year. were
12:36
Speaker 1: we were drafted in the middle of baseball season. So
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to wait a whole year to
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Speaker 1: get your baseball players. So there was a little more
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Speaker 1: risk to them, but yeah, I got that. I know
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Speaker 1: I was not really looking at Shohei at the beginning
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Speaker 1: because I was afraid of that contract, just the way
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Speaker 1: that was going to involve my roster construction later. Now, subsequently,
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Speaker 1: I think I've learned that baseball's economics are so incredibly
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Speaker 1: messed up, man. And you see it in the playoffs
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Speaker 1: now that three of the four teams near the end
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Speaker 1: are constructed mostly of pre-arb and arb players. And the
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Speaker 1: same thing can happen in fantasy when you're doing salaries.
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Speaker 1: I almost regret that we did salaries because I don't,
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Speaker 1: but I do because there are just so many freely
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Speaker 1: available talents who are getting playing time that are such
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Speaker 1: small cap hits relative to our cap. Anyway, that's my problem.
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Speaker 1: I do McDavid. I probably would have taken McDavid first,
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Speaker 1: given his age and how much he dominates his sport.
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Speaker 1: Luca was right there. People forget Ronald Acuna Jr. has
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Speaker 1: been probably the least successful of these guys, but Ronald
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Speaker 1: Acuna had just come off a record fantasy season, like
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Speaker 1: one of the best fantasy seasons we'd ever seen. Just
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Speaker 1: because that has not worked out over the years, that
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Speaker 1: was absolutely within the range. So, yeah, I felt like
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Speaker 1: that makes sense as the top five. Things got shaky
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Speaker 1: right after the top five, in my opinion. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: not everything even worked out in this first round. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's where I would have been. I would have been
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Speaker 1: terrified of the Shohei contract, even though he's a cheat code.
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Speaker 1: Luka and Connor probably would have been my guys. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And when you said things got shaky, like when for
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Speaker 2: everyone who's not looking directly at the Excel sheet with
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Speaker 2: all the picks, a couple of them were shaky, right?
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Speaker 2: But for more or less, like for the most part,
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Speaker 2: for the first couple of rounds, these players were all
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Speaker 2: really high producing. They're still producing for the most part.
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Speaker 2: There wasn't a whole lot of risk involved in these players.
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Speaker 2: These were your sure things. And there's some stuff that
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Speaker 2: was unpredictable and then injuries and contracts became super inflated
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Speaker 2: in some sports. So three years down the line, it
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Speaker 2: looks a little more dangerous now than it did when
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Speaker 2: it was drafted. But yeah, it's hard to tell what's
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Speaker 2: going to happen at that moment. So that's why we
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Speaker 2: get to look back. But for more or less, this
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Speaker 2: group of folks did a really solid job out the gate.
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Speaker 2: Except for one.
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Speaker 1: The next few picks after that, Joel Embiid, Christian McCaffrey, honestly,
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Speaker 1: I thought neither one of them were ideal picks. Embiid,
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Speaker 1: I know, was a recent MVP at that time, but
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Speaker 1: the injuries had really started to hit. We've seen injuries
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Speaker 1: his whole career, and there was a huge contract hanging
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Speaker 1: over him that was going to be terrifying to have,
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Speaker 1: a max contract that was a couple years even from
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Speaker 1: kicking in. I wanted no part. Christian McCaffrey was a
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Speaker 1: running back on the wrong side of 25, but look
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Speaker 1: at us. It's four years later and he's still kicking butt.
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Speaker 1: So what do I know? And then the great one,
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Speaker 1: we have to talk about this. We're not going to
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Speaker 1: talk about the whole first round. We're going to make
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Speaker 1: it as far as me and my pick number eight
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Speaker 1: of Wander Franco in the first round. Like what was
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Speaker 1: this a month before it happened? And Wander Franco became
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Speaker 1: forever a pariah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was wonderful, Jesse. Not the fact that it happened,
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Speaker 2: that part of it, probably context matters. But yeah, you
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Speaker 2: know what? It happened. What are you going to do?
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Speaker 2: You couldn't have foreseen that. There was no cameras that
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Speaker 2: you were aware of where it was picking up this information. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: the governments did not include you on what was being
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Speaker 2: investigated when you were making these selections, so we'll never know.
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Speaker 2: But whenever something like that happens, there's always piranhas chomping
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Speaker 2: at the bit to get those players and take the
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Speaker 2: risk on them. So at least we didn't have to
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Speaker 2: turn them into nothing, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So how did that work out for me? I
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Speaker 1: believe then I traded him for absolute scraps, by the way,
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Speaker 1: except for the fact that his contract still existed, which was,
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Speaker 1: it was, that was the other thing about Wander is
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Speaker 1: he was signed to such a reasonable contract for several
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Speaker 1: years in advance. In addition to being a first round
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Speaker 1: type talent who was peaking out at about then he
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Speaker 1: was going to be a locked in value for my
16:48
Speaker 1: baseball team for years. But yeah, there's always somebody and like,
16:53
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders of the 1970s, there's no outlaw that
16:56
Speaker 1: Team MGM didn't want on their franchise in that startup draft.
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Speaker 1: You guys wanted every bad citizen you could find, and
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Speaker 1: you took on Wander Franco. And how did you feel
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Speaker 1: about that transaction, Marcus?
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Speaker 2: It didn't go well, unfortunately. We knew it's a risk.
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Speaker 2: Anytime that you do that, it's a risk. However, you
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Speaker 2: know what? Sometimes a calculated risk is an okay thing
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Speaker 2: to take, especially when you know it's not going to
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Speaker 2: impact you financially. So it didn't cost a whole lot.
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Speaker 2: I think the most expensive part of that trade was
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Speaker 2: an NBA second, which you know what, I'm okay with it.
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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, unfortunately, he's still
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Speaker 2: sitting in our IR because he's on the commissioner exempt
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Speaker 2: list and we're not allowed to drop him until MLB
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Speaker 2: officially says he's no longer eligible to be returned. So
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Speaker 2: he's just going to sit there until it won't financially
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Speaker 2: hurt us, which in baseball, there's ways around that. But
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Speaker 2: not with the way that we constructed ours. Unfortunately, there's
17:49
Speaker 2: not a way around that one. Now his contract was
17:52
Speaker 2: getting to the more expensive parts of it and we
17:54
Speaker 2: just don't want to take the hit. So he will
17:56
Speaker 2: remain there until forever. Yeah.
17:59
Speaker 1: You could always burn a buyout on him if you
18:01
Speaker 1: had an extra one to go during a season, but
18:04
Speaker 1: otherwise you aren't stuck. And the problem is there's a
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Speaker 1: limited number of IL slots. So it does cost you something,
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Speaker 1: but the contract doesn't cost while he's on the IL.
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Speaker 1: For a while, you just had to carry him because
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Speaker 1: until He was put on the exempt list, which he
18:16
Speaker 1: was on admin leave for quite a while. He just
18:19
Speaker 1: counted toward your salary. But that was the part where
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Speaker 1: you kind of knew what you were getting. Anyway, that
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Speaker 1: gutted my baseball franchise. But we wanted to then. The
18:30
Speaker 1: thing with this draft is you hear what round guys
18:33
Speaker 1: go in. And you almost have to divide it by four.
18:36
Speaker 1: But you have to divide it by four for an
18:38
Speaker 1: 18-team league. You hear a guy went in the fourth round. Really,
18:41
Speaker 1: that's a first-round pick. Because in that person's respective sport,
18:45
Speaker 1: that could be one of the top round guys who
18:48
Speaker 1: went because they're all being interspersed here. In the first
18:51
Speaker 1: three rounds, I guess we're trying to identify a couple
18:54
Speaker 1: of guys who were like, wow, that was great value.
18:57
Speaker 1: That was a really good move. What did you find
18:59
Speaker 1: when you tried to look back on that?
19:02
Speaker 2: When I was looking back on it, I saw that
19:03
Speaker 2: every round that I went down, I made more and
19:05
Speaker 2: more mistakes as I went through because now I look
19:08
Speaker 2: at the names and go, wow, what was I thinking
19:11
Speaker 2: back then? So I kind of already brought up the
19:13
Speaker 2: whole Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes thing. So even when
19:16
Speaker 2: I was looking in the second round, we had narrowed
19:19
Speaker 2: it down. We just figured they were 1A, 1B. There
19:21
Speaker 2: wasn't a whole lot between them. And then Mick and
19:23
Speaker 2: I and Glenn all being from New York, we were like, man,
19:27
Speaker 2: is the New York bias? Do we have the bias
19:30
Speaker 2: to pick Josh Allen over Mahomes even though Mahomes has
19:33
Speaker 2: been the guy? Allen's had a couple of years right
19:37
Speaker 2: now in a row, but Mahomes has been the guy
19:39
Speaker 2: for many years and he will be. So we all
19:42
Speaker 2: were just like, all right, let's take off our New
19:44
Speaker 2: York blinders and just go with Mahomes. And then of course,
19:48
Speaker 2: terrible decision in New York. the end, because it would
19:51
Speaker 2: have been way different otherwise. But I think realistically, when
19:55
Speaker 2: we did our, when we did our blender for that
19:58
Speaker 2: area in New York, we had Josh Allen number one.
20:00
Speaker 2: And that's because he's been one of the best fantasy assets.
20:03
Speaker 2: And even though we felt like You said it yourself,
20:06
Speaker 2: the CMC one was something that you were surprised with.
20:09
Speaker 2: We did start to see football go off the board
20:11
Speaker 2: pretty early at the end of the first round around
20:13
Speaker 2: the turn. But Josh Allen might be one of the
20:16
Speaker 2: biggest steals at that point, mostly all the way through
20:20
Speaker 2: the second round. He's put up more fantasy points than anyone.
20:24
Speaker 2: I think like the top 10 highest scoring fantasy football
20:28
Speaker 2: players of the last 25 years, like six or five
20:31
Speaker 2: or six of them are Josh Allen players. It's like
20:34
Speaker 2: you've gotten the production that you needed. And if you
20:36
Speaker 2: were looking for that, that's the guy you want, right?
20:39
Speaker 2: If you're looking for someone early in a draft that's
20:41
Speaker 2: going to carry your team for years and years, that
20:43
Speaker 2: was one of them. So that was like the big
20:45
Speaker 2: one that stood out. Other ones that kind of stood
20:48
Speaker 2: out to me, looking back on it now, are Kyle
20:50
Speaker 2: Tucker at pick 39 or 49 in the third round.
20:55
Speaker 2: That one felt really good at the time. But now
20:57
Speaker 2: that the baseball contracts have gotten so elevated and He
21:01
Speaker 2: wasn't picked too far after Aaron Judge. And if I wanted,
21:04
Speaker 2: I don't think that I would put him in the
21:05
Speaker 2: same kind of realm as Aaron Judge right now, especially
21:08
Speaker 2: given Tucker's contract. So that was, they're not all good ones, right?
21:12
Speaker 2: But that was one specifically that I pointed out. And
21:14
Speaker 2: then one of the other ones that really hit me
21:16
Speaker 2: looking back was Jalen Hurts. I don't know how often
21:20
Speaker 2: everyone clowns on Jalen Hurts for not being able to
21:22
Speaker 2: throw the football. He has definitely put up a lot
21:25
Speaker 2: of rushing, which has helped, but That football team has
21:31
Speaker 2: never been any good, unfortunately, since they were drafted. And
21:35
Speaker 2: they're probably not going to be for a while. It
21:38
Speaker 2: hasn't really gotten any better, even though they just changed owners.
21:41
Speaker 2: But Jalen Hurts was a pretty big surprise to see
21:44
Speaker 2: that early in the draft.
21:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely a surprise. Yeah, so two
21:53
Speaker 1: guys I'm going to have, even at pick 20, I
21:56
Speaker 1: think Kiel McCarr ended up being a steal. We're talking
21:58
Speaker 1: about just the generational defenseman. He was still very young.
22:03
Speaker 1: Now he's on an absolute max contract now. Now that
22:06
Speaker 1: contract is going to hurt. But kudos to our man
22:10
Speaker 1: Jesse Brankin for taking him in the beginning of the
22:13
Speaker 1: second round. And really, he was several picks down the
22:17
Speaker 1: board on hockey players. Kudos to him for that. All right,
22:21
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a real jerk thing, but it's
22:23
Speaker 1: my show. I can be a jerk. In round three,
22:25
Speaker 1: I'm going to take my own pick, which is Kirill Kaprizov,
22:28
Speaker 1: because I really, I still feel good about that one.
22:32
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'm going to insult my picks plenty during
22:34
Speaker 1: this episode, but I am, I'm very happy. I felt
22:37
Speaker 1: like he was a steal at pick 44. So young,
22:40
Speaker 1: so productive. He helped me win a championship already. And
22:43
Speaker 1: then I've traded him because of trying to keep churning
22:47
Speaker 1: salaries and keep remaining relevant in hockey. But he is,
22:51
Speaker 1: he's special. So I liked him. It, The thing is there,
22:55
Speaker 1: there's plenty of good picks. They're all, they're all guys
22:58
Speaker 1: who kind of should have been there. It's just a
22:59
Speaker 1: matter of who you can identify. If we're looking at
23:01
Speaker 1: the first three rounds who went below what they ultimately
23:05
Speaker 1: were able to produce. And I don't really see a
23:06
Speaker 1: guy who turned out to be like the number one
23:08
Speaker 1: overall guy in his sport, maybe Aaron judge, but then
23:11
Speaker 1: Aaron judges had injury issues too. So yeah. And I
23:15
Speaker 1: think it's, I think it was a pretty good early
23:18
Speaker 1: part of the draft couple stretches, but any other observations
23:22
Speaker 1: to make about the majors draft generally that we had there? Yeah.
23:28
Speaker 2: So when you're thinking about it, like you're going to
23:29
Speaker 2: look back now and realize that a lot of the
23:31
Speaker 2: younger players are going to be selected in the lower rounds,
23:34
Speaker 2: like as you're continuing to go. So as you go,
23:37
Speaker 2: you realize, man, I took this guy because I thought
23:39
Speaker 2: he was going to be really good. How did I
23:41
Speaker 2: not know this guy was going to be so much better?
23:44
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure we've all done that when you, I
23:47
Speaker 2: don't know how often everyone gets to go back and look,
23:49
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do that with draft picks for like a
23:51
Speaker 2: trade that I made in the past. Who was selected
23:54
Speaker 2: at that one? Who could it have been versus who did,
23:57
Speaker 2: which bum did I trade for at that moment? But
23:59
Speaker 2: for an example, for our listeners out there in the
24:02
Speaker 2: sixth round at pick number 93, unfortunately our team drafted
24:07
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, which wasn't terrible. There was a bunch of
24:10
Speaker 2: wide receivers that went off the board. We were trying
24:13
Speaker 2: to win in football immediately. We knew we were going
24:15
Speaker 2: to come around and have one of the top picks
24:17
Speaker 2: in in the prospect, and we had an idea of
24:19
Speaker 2: who was going to fall to us. So we knew
24:20
Speaker 2: we were going to bolster football that way. So we're
24:23
Speaker 2: just trying to fill out the roster with talented players.
24:26
Speaker 2: But unfortunately, right after him is Jose Ramirez, Kenneth Walker,
24:32
Speaker 2: Franz Wagner, and the list of great players continues to
24:35
Speaker 2: go on while DK Metcalf can hardly get a pass
24:39
Speaker 2: thrown in his direction from the current day Aaron Rodgers.
24:42
Speaker 2: So three years down the line, there's a bunch of
24:44
Speaker 2: other players right below them that are just far exceeding
24:49
Speaker 2: what we thought their expectations might be because we were
24:52
Speaker 2: trying to get something to win now. And that's that
24:54
Speaker 2: whole dilemma of are you drafting youth? What is the
24:57
Speaker 2: potential versus who are those guys that have been doing
25:00
Speaker 2: it right now and are going to be successful?
25:04
Speaker 1: And then, Marcus, we did have some later values in
25:08
Speaker 1: this 110% round almost 2000 player pro draft. So the
25:13
Speaker 1: rules by the way, were that anybody who met the
25:17
Speaker 1: rookie graduation qualification, 82 games in the NBA, a hundred
25:21
Speaker 1: games of skater in the NHL. I think it was
25:24
Speaker 1: like four games for the NFL and 130 played apparent
25:29
Speaker 1: 130 at bats or 15 years pitch for baseball. Anybody
25:33
Speaker 1: who was under those numbers or was prospect eligible could
25:36
Speaker 1: not be picked. among these 2000 players. So just to
25:39
Speaker 1: make it worse, we'll get to those guys later and
25:42
Speaker 1: how they went, but still later on down toward the
25:45
Speaker 1: bottom of that 2000 player draft, there were still valuable
25:50
Speaker 1: players going off for dynasty. Who have you found down
25:53
Speaker 1: there at those levels?
25:55
Speaker 2: So there are some really notable people that we could
25:59
Speaker 2: do in the middle, but I wanted to get the
26:01
Speaker 2: nitty gritty, right? So I wanted to say the best
26:04
Speaker 2: value pick, and I'll put this one on, The best
26:07
Speaker 2: value pick happened at pick number 1,349 by the other Jesse.
26:14
Speaker 2: And that was Kiefer Sherwood. Kiefer Sherwood. And ours, yeah,
26:19
Speaker 2: what a pick because that guy bangs like no other.
26:22
Speaker 2: That is the ultimate floor guy, especially since his contract
26:26
Speaker 2: was so low until this most recent year. That was
26:30
Speaker 2: just a solid pick that just keeps on producing year
26:34
Speaker 2: over year. And who would have thought I had that
26:36
Speaker 2: one starred on the whole list. When you look at
26:38
Speaker 2: value and point production based on their draft position, that
26:42
Speaker 2: was probably the most valuable late pick in the whole draft.
26:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't being paid much either. I'll say the
26:52
Speaker 1: next guy because I suspect you're going to have him too, Marcus,
26:55
Speaker 1: so we can both gush over this pick by the Sonics.
26:59
Speaker 1: Pick 1426. You know which one I'm going to talk
27:03
Speaker 1: about here? Kyron freaking Williams. When it picked 14-26, that
27:09
Speaker 1: was the 81st round. No, 80th round of this thing.
27:14
Speaker 1: 80th round, they take Kyron Williams, who's one of the
27:17
Speaker 1: best couple of running backs in the NFL now. He
27:19
Speaker 1: was already a pro. He was already on the Rams.
27:22
Speaker 1: This was not a rookie who we didn't know was
27:24
Speaker 1: going to break through. I don't know how that happened.
27:27
Speaker 1: How could that even happen at that point? What is
27:29
Speaker 1: wrong with us, Marcus?
27:31
Speaker 2: Wasn't Cam Akers the starting running back that year?
27:35
Speaker 1: He may have been. He may have been. I'll give
27:36
Speaker 1: you that. Obviously, if he was thought to be the
27:39
Speaker 1: starting running back, he wouldn't have been there. But picking
27:42
Speaker 1: Kyron Williams turned out to be a pretty good decision.
27:45
Speaker 2: As I overlooked these 2,700 picks that we reviewed over
27:48
Speaker 2: the last couple days, I overlooked Kyron Williams three years ago,
27:53
Speaker 2: and I overlooked him again when I was reviewing this list.
27:55
Speaker 1: What?
27:56
Speaker 2: That is... I'm going to have to take my star
27:58
Speaker 2: off of Kiefer.
28:00
Speaker 1: No, Kiefer is dirt cheap and he's produced like crazy.
28:04
Speaker 1: So there's nothing wrong with that. But who else did
28:06
Speaker 1: you find this down low?
28:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got another one that's low that had a
28:10
Speaker 2: one season that was absolutely dynamite. And that was pick
28:14
Speaker 2: number 1,534, Cole Reagans. What a season that he had
28:16
Speaker 2: in 2024. It looked like The sky was the limit
28:24
Speaker 2: there for a moment. He had over 200 strikeouts, ERA,
28:28
Speaker 2: that was just over three. And it just looked like
28:30
Speaker 2: he was going to be the guy there. And unfortunately,
28:33
Speaker 2: it looks like injuries have hit him. So I'm wondering
28:35
Speaker 2: that if he'll ever be able to reclaim that status.
28:38
Speaker 2: But he's playing again, which is a good news, right?
28:41
Speaker 2: And he's already done it once. Maybe he can do
28:44
Speaker 2: it again. But for at least one year, it looked
28:47
Speaker 2: like that was going to... We tried to trade for
28:48
Speaker 2: him immediately. And we were declining. We're like, there's no way.
28:51
Speaker 2: There's no way. So what a snipe by Foggy that
28:54
Speaker 2: late in the draft.
28:56
Speaker 1: Foggy is no fool. By the way, I heard from
28:58
Speaker 1: Foggy this week. You may remember that we talked about
29:01
Speaker 1: Foggy last week and the dilemma that he had. And
29:04
Speaker 1: I questioned whether he even realized where he was at.
29:08
Speaker 1: Foggy said he knew two weeks in advance and he
29:11
Speaker 1: obsessed about it every single day. And he still doesn't
29:15
Speaker 1: know if he regrets that decision or not. I respond
29:18
Speaker 1: to him with one word, capital I, Integrity. but I'm
29:22
Speaker 1: not sure that I cheered Foggy up with that. Anyway,
29:25
Speaker 1: what other guys did you see really late in this
29:27
Speaker 1: draft that caught you? I guess it's my turn. I'll
29:29
Speaker 1: give you one more. This is probably my last one,
29:32
Speaker 1: but you could go on. But Morgan Geeky at 1152
29:35
Speaker 1: to the Cox squad was excellent. It took a couple
29:38
Speaker 1: of years for that one to pay off. And I
29:40
Speaker 1: totally did not think that was going to be a thing.
29:42
Speaker 1: But boy, Morgan Geeky just broke out last year to
29:46
Speaker 1: an unbelievable degree. Kudos to the Cox boys for taking him.
29:51
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I got one more late. And then I had
29:53
Speaker 2: a couple of honorable mentions right there in the middle.
29:56
Speaker 2: The late one, I'm going to go with Matthias Samuelsson.
29:59
Speaker 2: a little late bloomer but he was picked number 1593
30:01
Speaker 2: that'll do yeah if you want a player who averages
30:07
Speaker 2: just over three points per three points per game and
30:11
Speaker 2: even at a high of over four last season that's
30:14
Speaker 2: a guy that i want right he was cheap you
30:16
Speaker 2: got him super late there's basically no attachment based on
30:21
Speaker 2: what you paid for him he was dropped actually kevin
30:24
Speaker 2: drafted him what a great pick kevin And then he
30:26
Speaker 2: dropped him almost immediately where Foggy picked him up for $ 1.
30:29
Speaker 2: And what a treat he was on Foggy's team. So
30:33
Speaker 2: that was my last late one.
30:35
Speaker 1: To give you a sense here, because you're likely as yourself, Blair,
30:37
Speaker 1: he was taken between Matt Collins, Atlanta wide receiver, and
30:40
Speaker 1: Connor Joe, first baseman for the Pirates. We were in
30:44
Speaker 1: that territory, but those seemed like very reasonable picks. Heck,
30:47
Speaker 1: Matt Collins was my pick. All right, let's take a break.
30:50
Speaker 1: Come back with some more guys. There is a feature
31:09
Speaker 1: in fan tracks. We don't sell fan tracks on the show,
31:12
Speaker 1: but one thing when I'm in the matchup tool there,
31:16
Speaker 1: it hides the bench and you can push the button
31:18
Speaker 1: to show your bench. And I call that the hate
31:21
Speaker 1: yourself button, because all you're going to see is the
31:23
Speaker 1: things that you could have done to be better in
31:26
Speaker 1: this matchup. This whole exercise is like a hate yourself
31:30
Speaker 1: button that you can see the guys you could have
31:32
Speaker 1: taken and did not. Now the rookie draft was a
31:36
Speaker 1: fascinating thing. type of exercise as well. It wasn't nearly
31:41
Speaker 1: as long. It was 720 picks, 40 rounds. And there
31:45
Speaker 1: was a requirement in this that you take a certain
31:48
Speaker 1: number of prospects from each sport. I wanted to do that.
31:53
Speaker 1: And I wanted to do that with the pros because
31:55
Speaker 1: I did not want somebody just absolutely laying out, ignoring
32:00
Speaker 1: a sport, completely tanking it and Also, the reason we
32:04
Speaker 1: did a separate prospect draft is I didn't want anybody,
32:06
Speaker 1: like we were saying last week, to draft just the
32:08
Speaker 1: quote win now team or just the, you know, for
32:11
Speaker 1: 10 years from now team. We all had to have
32:14
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. You could trade it, but
32:16
Speaker 1: you had to start with some kind of a mix.
32:19
Speaker 1: And so what did you think of that rookie draft?
32:22
Speaker 1: How did your boys over there at the MGM approach it?
32:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we approached it with the same thing that
32:29
Speaker 2: we did for the pro draft. However, we started the
32:32
Speaker 2: rookie draft, what was it, a couple of weeks after
32:35
Speaker 2: we started the pro draft. So we had already had
32:38
Speaker 2: a really good idea. We probably had 10 to 15
32:40
Speaker 2: picks done, probably more than that actually, 30 picks done
32:43
Speaker 2: in the pro draft. So we had an idea of
32:44
Speaker 2: where our teams were building out. So we had an
32:46
Speaker 2: idea of where we wanted to go to. We were
32:48
Speaker 2: going to focus heavy in the pros on basketball to
32:50
Speaker 2: make sure that we had a good enough team to
32:53
Speaker 2: compete right away. Basketball was probably the sport that collectively
32:57
Speaker 2: we knew the least about. So we thought we could
33:00
Speaker 2: combat that by spending the highest capital in that sport
33:04
Speaker 2: and we could figure out the rest, which is an
33:06
Speaker 2: idea that I've heard many others had as well in
33:08
Speaker 2: this league. Yeah, so we did that with basketball. And
33:10
Speaker 2: then we had an idea that within the top, we
33:13
Speaker 2: had the third pick in the prospect that we were
33:15
Speaker 2: going to get one of four people. The four top
33:18
Speaker 2: prospects at that time across all the sports seemed pretty chalk.
33:22
Speaker 2: We knew we would get one of them. We just
33:24
Speaker 2: weren't sure which one. And then we were going to
33:26
Speaker 2: dedicate the next couple of picks to bolstering hockey. After that,
33:30
Speaker 2: we did the same thing. We just lined up the
33:32
Speaker 2: players and then we gave Mick free range for baseball.
33:36
Speaker 2: So whenever he saw a baseball guy that he liked
33:38
Speaker 2: in that moment, he had the trump card since we
33:41
Speaker 2: told him he couldn't draft any baseball until we drafted
33:43
Speaker 2: Mike Trout in round 100 that we would figure out
33:46
Speaker 2: baseball later. So actually looking back on it, which I
33:49
Speaker 2: know I'm kind of already going into that way, but
33:52
Speaker 2: I actually shot Mick a message in our thread and
33:54
Speaker 2: was just like, man, look at your draft because Glenn
33:56
Speaker 2: and I were absolutely terrible. But if you look at
33:59
Speaker 2: this baseball team, like you put together, we have almost
34:01
Speaker 2: all those same players that he drafted. They're all producing
34:06
Speaker 2: for the most part, or we traded them for much
34:09
Speaker 2: better players once their value started going up. So we
34:13
Speaker 2: just had to give him a shout out because I
34:15
Speaker 2: didn't even know he really knew that much about baseball
34:17
Speaker 2: at the time. The prospect part of it, it's something
34:19
Speaker 2: that I learned I needed to learn more about compared
34:22
Speaker 2: to our peers. But it didn't go great for me,
34:24
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
34:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned basketball. So a structural thing about basketball
34:30
Speaker 1: in this four-sport league that I think everybody, several teams
34:34
Speaker 1: picked up on this, is that we allow baseball picks
34:39
Speaker 1: of anybody who's in a minor league system. And so
34:42
Speaker 1: there's a big pool of baseball guys, and a lot
34:44
Speaker 1: of guys are going to come up. And frankly, a
34:47
Speaker 1: lot of positions in the pro league that are going
34:51
Speaker 1: to be filled. In hockey, it's similar. People get drafted.
34:55
Speaker 1: They spend several years in the minors. They spend several
34:58
Speaker 1: years as a prospect in our system. And that kind
35:01
Speaker 1: of leaves football and basketball as the sports where the
35:05
Speaker 1: prospect player pool is pretty light, actually, because we only
35:09
Speaker 1: allow guys who would be allowed to be drafted by
35:13
Speaker 1: the professional sport. to be prospects. Basically, that means that
35:17
Speaker 1: in basketball, you just have that year's draft or a
35:20
Speaker 1: couple of guys who maybe were rookies last year and
35:23
Speaker 1: played short of 82 games, but it made basketball especially
35:27
Speaker 1: very shallow. And I think everybody came in with the
35:31
Speaker 1: idea of, I got to get one of these best
35:33
Speaker 1: basketball players at the beginning. Eight of the 12 teams
35:36
Speaker 1: in this first round took basketball because I think that
35:39
Speaker 1: was just structurally obvious to everybody who looked at it.
35:42
Speaker 1: I would say you'd mentioned there's kind of a top
35:45
Speaker 1: five here or top four here. I would even take
35:48
Speaker 1: that out to five. I think the guys who went
35:50
Speaker 1: at the top belonged at the top. At that time,
35:54
Speaker 1: it was Conor Bedard, Victor Wimbanyama, Bijan Robinson, Ellie De
35:59
Speaker 1: La Cruz, Cade Cunningham were all right there at the top. Boy,
36:03
Speaker 1: did I think that at pick 11, I was going
36:06
Speaker 1: to get a Cade Cunningham type or something. Oh no,
36:10
Speaker 1: nothing close to that. I ended up with Scoot freaking
36:12
Speaker 1: Henderson at pick 11. It was like that. So it was,
36:17
Speaker 1: it was a rough time there, but is that, you
36:20
Speaker 1: said you were going for, you were going, you were
36:23
Speaker 1: going for football here to try to boost it up.
36:26
Speaker 1: And you actually were the first team to take a
36:28
Speaker 1: football player in this round.
36:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. Back then we had the assumption that no matter
36:33
Speaker 2: what happened, it would be unlikely that Victor Ueminyama or
36:36
Speaker 2: Conor Bedard would be the third pick. Yeah, Elidio Cruz
36:41
Speaker 2: was the top prospect coming out at the time, but
36:44
Speaker 2: we just, baseball is baseball, right? So you never quite
36:47
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen there. And with football, Bijan
36:50
Speaker 2: had everything that you'd love to see. He was the
36:52
Speaker 2: number one asset. He was already climbing in the top
36:55
Speaker 2: 10 boards of all the football players before he even
36:58
Speaker 2: put on pads. It just felt like from a value
37:00
Speaker 2: standpoint and how we started building the team in our
37:03
Speaker 2: pro draft, that Bijan was going to work for us
37:05
Speaker 2: once the other two were done. However, we would have
37:08
Speaker 2: absolutely taken one of the other two above him. So
37:12
Speaker 2: when Tony drafted Conor Bedard, I was immediately messaging the
37:17
Speaker 2: other Jesse, telling him how awesome Eli De La Cruz
37:19
Speaker 2: was and that he would be a great addition to
37:21
Speaker 2: his team. So that way we could have Victor drop
37:24
Speaker 2: to us. Unfortunately, I didn't know Jesse was also a
37:26
Speaker 2: Spurs fan, so there was literally 0% chance of that happening.
37:30
Speaker 2: But yeah, Bijan really did help bolster it, and he
37:32
Speaker 2: was a big reason why we were so successful. I
37:35
Speaker 2: wish we never traded him, unfortunately.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It was a very uneven draft because I
37:44
Speaker 1: think my overall take from this prospect draft is, good Lord,
37:47
Speaker 1: does nobody know anything? I look at this and I'm like, yeah,
37:51
Speaker 1: all of these seem to make sense at the time.
37:54
Speaker 1: Rarely did I see somebody get taken and I was like, ah,
37:56
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That guy is never going to amount to anything.
37:59
Speaker 1: Because the truth is prospects will break your heart to
38:04
Speaker 1: quote the old Jason Park phrase. And most prospects either
38:09
Speaker 1: fail or they turn into the boring players in the
38:12
Speaker 1: league that you don't want anyway. So it's very rare
38:15
Speaker 1: that any of these guys turn out to be a
38:17
Speaker 1: whole lot. And boy, there's a lot of just heartbreaking
38:22
Speaker 1: selections that happened here. But the other thing is the
38:26
Speaker 1: other thing it lends itself to is if you think that,
38:29
Speaker 1: if you think that some of those late pro picks
38:32
Speaker 1: were surprises, good heavens, are there some later surprises in
38:37
Speaker 1: this draft that really pop for people? So I don't know. What,
38:41
Speaker 1: what do you think of this? What do you think
38:43
Speaker 1: of just this prospect draft and how, when, but when
38:47
Speaker 1: maybe identify some, some late round values, if you'd like
38:50
Speaker 1: to as well.
38:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think when we went back and looked
38:53
Speaker 2: at this, like you said before, everyone always feels like, man,
38:56
Speaker 2: I drafted well, right? That was a good draft. I
38:57
Speaker 2: got a lot of the players I wanted to. You're
38:59
Speaker 2: never going to get everyone you want to. It just
39:00
Speaker 2: doesn't work that way. But I felt really good about
39:04
Speaker 2: our prospect system until none of them were any good, right?
39:08
Speaker 2: And then we learned that, except for our baseball prospects
39:10
Speaker 2: ended up being pretty good. But when you look back
39:13
Speaker 2: upon this, you really get to see where you identify
39:15
Speaker 2: that some managers know their stuff. Some of them are
39:19
Speaker 2: really knowledgeable players. To the best that you can be, right?
39:22
Speaker 2: You're taking educated guesses, applying what you think can be
39:26
Speaker 2: true based on what you've seen or what you've heard
39:28
Speaker 2: from other professionals, right? But some of these folks have
39:32
Speaker 2: a lot of hits on here and I don't really
39:33
Speaker 2: want to say nice things about Kevin, unfortunately, but Kevin
39:37
Speaker 2: showed in the prospect pool that he made a lot
39:40
Speaker 2: of really good decisions and making one or two, like, yeah,
39:44
Speaker 2: everybody makes one or two, but he consistently made a
39:47
Speaker 2: lot of them. There was several good selections and Even
39:50
Speaker 2: to point out some other managers, like Grant is no
39:52
Speaker 2: longer with us in the league. He's probably still driving
39:55
Speaker 2: out there somewhere. But he had a lot of great selections,
39:58
Speaker 2: especially in the beginning into the middle. And then Fighting Figs,
40:03
Speaker 2: they had a really strong prospect draft as well. And
40:05
Speaker 2: they continue to grab some strong prospects throughout their every
40:09
Speaker 2: year draft processes. But you can see the separation. And
40:13
Speaker 2: that's what we talked about the lasting power is I
40:15
Speaker 2: felt like our pro draft was really good. But since then,
40:18
Speaker 2: we started to get a little bit worse drafts. year
40:21
Speaker 2: over year or up and down, those that can be
40:24
Speaker 2: good at identifying successful prospects will have much more longevity
40:28
Speaker 2: for greater sustained periods of time. So that's starting to
40:32
Speaker 2: show after these years.
40:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny that several of the best picks that
40:38
Speaker 1: I've identified are from managers who weren't in the league anymore.
40:41
Speaker 1: I think we're still like, I don't know, we're still
40:44
Speaker 1: like 75% the original managers. There's at least one team
40:48
Speaker 1: that's turned over a couple of times, but some of
40:51
Speaker 1: the guys who left actually did some amazing drafting. It
40:56
Speaker 1: was just, I think one of the things that we've
40:58
Speaker 1: learned from this is the difference between doing an above
41:03
Speaker 1: average job drafting and an above average job managing once
41:07
Speaker 1: your draft is done. Because there were teams who, when
41:11
Speaker 1: I look at their draft, modestly, my own team, not
41:15
Speaker 1: great looking back at who I drafted, but I'll talk
41:18
Speaker 1: about why I've been able to survive despite that in
41:22
Speaker 1: a little while. But, but yeah, Kevin, that's the thing
41:25
Speaker 1: with Kevin. Kevin does both. Well, he drafts and he
41:28
Speaker 1: manages well, and he trades well, and he's pretty much
41:32
Speaker 1: got this almanac from back to the future. So I
41:36
Speaker 1: don't know how he does that, but it makes it easy. Kevin,
41:40
Speaker 1: we're just jealous. I've said it before. He's the best.
41:42
Speaker 1: He's the best dynasty player I've ever played against. And
41:45
Speaker 1: he probably winces when I say that, because then people
41:47
Speaker 1: don't want to trade with him.
41:48
Speaker 2: But, Say it again. Say it again.
41:53
Speaker 1: He catches so much abuse. All right. And I never
41:56
Speaker 1: did make that theme song for this. Yeah. Maybe go
41:58
Speaker 1: on and give some observations on some individuals or other
42:01
Speaker 1: things you wanted to note here.
42:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I thought that you, one thing that you
42:06
Speaker 2: said is that there is going to be an excess
42:08
Speaker 2: of baseball and hockey. And specifically one thing that I
42:11
Speaker 2: noticed was hockey goalies based on the format that we
42:14
Speaker 2: have in the diesel is you can basically sit players
42:16
Speaker 2: in the minor squad for several years and And it's
42:19
Speaker 2: unlikely that even goalies with their requirements to become pros
42:23
Speaker 2: will become pros in their first season and sometimes maybe
42:26
Speaker 2: not even in their second season. So when I was
42:29
Speaker 2: going through this, I noticed how many prospect goalies were
42:31
Speaker 2: picked and how many were starting to get picked late
42:34
Speaker 2: and just how they're just starting to blossom now and
42:37
Speaker 2: they're good now. They're getting to be very good. So
42:41
Speaker 2: those picks were super valuable. The one that I wanted
42:44
Speaker 2: to point out specifically, which might be one of the
42:46
Speaker 2: more valuable picks in this draft, solely because of where
42:49
Speaker 2: he was picked, was at pick number 716. Victor selected,
42:55
Speaker 2: is it Jacob Dobesh from Montreal?
42:59
Speaker 1: Jacob Dobesh. Jacob Dobesh, I think is how they normally
43:03
Speaker 1: say it.
43:04
Speaker 2: Jacob Dobesh. He is blossoming into quite the fine goalie currently.
43:09
Speaker 2: I know he has some Jacob Fowler coming up behind him,
43:12
Speaker 2: who's also an excellent goalie who was drafted moderately in
43:16
Speaker 2: the middle of the prospect pool as well. But what
43:19
Speaker 2: a pick. What a pick that late in the draft.
43:21
Speaker 2: Almost Mr. Irrelevant.
43:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. Victor's no fool. And I think what he, in
43:28
Speaker 1: this draft also, because he felt very strongly about his
43:33
Speaker 1: hockey drafting skills, I think he and his partner Dolan,
43:38
Speaker 1: I think probably allowed hockey to slip a little bit
43:41
Speaker 1: down the board on the pro draft. And then he
43:44
Speaker 1: got every other pick for a while in the hockey draft.
43:47
Speaker 1: I found myself in this hockey draft, just feeling like
43:50
Speaker 1: the hockey guys were values. A lot of those hockey
43:53
Speaker 1: prospects just kept slipping. I really wanted to get top
43:55
Speaker 1: football or basketball players, but every round I got to,
43:58
Speaker 1: I was like, how can I pass on this hockey
44:01
Speaker 1: player that I feel has such a higher ceiling than
44:04
Speaker 1: the players I'm looking at in other sports? I just
44:06
Speaker 1: need to take the talent and figure things out later. But,
44:09
Speaker 1: and some of them worked out, some of them didn't,
44:11
Speaker 1: but I probably had more luck in all near the
44:14
Speaker 1: top of the draft with my hockey players, frankly, than
44:17
Speaker 1: some of the other guys. But yeah, so yeah, I
44:20
Speaker 1: think that is an absolute home run. Jakob Dobish there
44:25
Speaker 1: in the last round. My number one, and I don't
44:29
Speaker 1: think this is one that you'd put on your list.
44:32
Speaker 1: In the 35th round, we haven't said his name yet
44:35
Speaker 1: on this episode. Our man Mummert, Dan Mummert, in the
44:38
Speaker 1: 35th round took Sal Stewart, who is a freaking monster
44:44
Speaker 1: in MLB now. I took Cam Collier in round three
44:48
Speaker 1: and I used to confuse those two guys. Nobody confuses
44:51
Speaker 1: them anymore because Sal Stewart is an absolute hero and
44:56
Speaker 1: Cam Collier is maybe not going to make it out
44:59
Speaker 1: of the minors. We don't know. But Sal Stewart in
45:01
Speaker 1: the 35th round is insane.
45:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, that 35th round actually might just have an asterisk
45:07
Speaker 2: on it because there's quite a few names. If you
45:09
Speaker 2: look at the 35th round randomly, Daniil Boot, Logan Malieu
45:14
Speaker 2: might come up. He's been up, but been out. But
45:16
Speaker 2: Brandon Boosie just had a great year, capped it off
45:19
Speaker 2: with a Stanley Cup. Sal Stewart, Portillo is a prospect
45:24
Speaker 2: that's coming up there for goalies. Like the 35th round
45:26
Speaker 2: actually looking nice right there. What an oddity right in
45:30
Speaker 2: the middle of that draft.
45:32
Speaker 1: Eduardo Quintero was in that round as well. He's turned
45:34
Speaker 1: out to be something else.
45:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, this round, put an asterisk on 35. If we
45:39
Speaker 2: ever do this again, we'll have to look at it again.
45:42
Speaker 2: This one, when you look at the pros, at least
45:45
Speaker 2: you remember the names when you were like, I'm going
45:47
Speaker 2: to pick this person. I can't believe these two people
45:50
Speaker 2: were on the other sides of them. When you look
45:51
Speaker 2: at the prospect round, there's a lot of people that
45:54
Speaker 2: I've never heard of before, and I'm sure that goes
45:57
Speaker 2: for everyone. But there were several really good prospect picks
46:00
Speaker 2: that were late. When you described how prospects work, you
46:03
Speaker 2: did mention that For football, they just have to be
46:05
Speaker 2: draft eligible. So there was a few draft eligible guys
46:08
Speaker 2: that weren't actually in the NFL or didn't get drafted
46:11
Speaker 2: at that time that now they look good. So for James,
46:15
Speaker 2: another poor one out manager for us, I picked 597
46:19
Speaker 2: in round 34, got Ladd McConkie. That was another good one.
46:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. That is quite the pick. At 330 and 332,
46:30
Speaker 2: we had Dylan Holloway and Brock Faber, two good. fantastic
46:35
Speaker 2: young they're still very young players now but that doesn't
46:38
Speaker 2: happen those are teenagers back then and now they're just
46:41
Speaker 2: entering the early 20s mid-20s and then like I hate
46:46
Speaker 2: to say it again but I felt like the best
46:48
Speaker 2: combo pick back to back given value Kevin really I
46:52
Speaker 2: know he said it was lucky he said it multiple
46:54
Speaker 2: times but drafting Rishi Rice and then Puka Nakua back
46:57
Speaker 2: to back at picks 118 and 135 those just they're
47:01
Speaker 2: staples of his team and he He was able to
47:03
Speaker 2: get Josh Allen and Amon Ra. That core group of
47:07
Speaker 2: wide receivers, they were all in their 20s. They're going
47:09
Speaker 2: to be there for a long time. He still has
47:11
Speaker 2: more years with them. There's some solid picks all around.
47:17
Speaker 2: There's a handful of them that just go round by round.
47:20
Speaker 2: There's just one person that sticks out. It's just like, wow,
47:22
Speaker 2: how did we miss that one? How did we not
47:24
Speaker 2: pick that guy earlier?
47:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the story of Puka Nakua in
47:29
Speaker 1: Dynasty Leagues really was like, when were you drafting? Because
47:35
Speaker 1: I felt like Puka Nakua, he was a guy who
47:37
Speaker 1: did not have a prospect pedigree coming out of the draft.
47:41
Speaker 1: I did not see him in a lot of big
47:43
Speaker 1: time draft coverage. And then in training camp, he popped.
47:49
Speaker 1: And it was one of those deals that was almost
47:52
Speaker 1: unfair if you were drafting during training camp, because one
47:56
Speaker 1: day Puka Nakua was not a thing. And the next
47:58
Speaker 1: day he was a thing. And if you happen to
48:00
Speaker 1: be on the clock, when that happened, This happened in
48:03
Speaker 1: multiple leagues where I felt like people took him then
48:05
Speaker 1: and ended up looking like geniuses. I don't know if
48:08
Speaker 1: that's what happened with Kevin, but it was right in
48:10
Speaker 1: that time period where a month later, he would have
48:14
Speaker 1: probably been a second round pick. But a month earlier,
48:17
Speaker 1: he might have gone undrafted. It was right in there.
48:19
Speaker 1: But still, the outcome was genius. A couple of other
48:25
Speaker 1: guys who I would point out in the 32nd round
48:28
Speaker 1: of this, the departed TC took Pavel Dorofeev. who now
48:33
Speaker 1: was being highly paid by the New York Rangers, but
48:35
Speaker 1: that was a pretty amazing pick. And in the 26th round,
48:40
Speaker 1: Thomas took Bo Nix. You got to love being able
48:43
Speaker 1: to take a starting quarterback, even a Broncos starting quarterback.
48:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, Marcus, should we hype up Broncos? You'd
48:50
Speaker 1: like to go to those Broncos games, right?
48:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love going to those games. I'll be going
48:54
Speaker 2: to the game where they play. They host the Chiefs
48:57
Speaker 2: this year, so I'll finally get to see the Broncos.
48:59
Speaker 2: Very excited.
49:00
Speaker 1: Wow. That's pretty cool. That is really cool. But yeah,
49:03
Speaker 1: Bo Nix from the 26th round of prospect draft. And
49:06
Speaker 1: this is when he was an outcast in the college ranks.
49:09
Speaker 1: I think it was between his Auburn and his Oregon season.
49:11
Speaker 1: And that's when he was worth nil in in dynasty. Yeah.
49:17
Speaker 1: So there were some pretty amazing picks. Any others that
49:20
Speaker 1: you want to mention here late in the game?
49:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. So let's go, we'll go one more here.
49:25
Speaker 2: We'll pull it out for James again, but Tucker craft
49:28
Speaker 2: in the 40th and final round. I picked seven Oh
49:32
Speaker 2: five Tucker craft back then was just an oversight on nobody.
49:36
Speaker 2: He had a Musgrove who started over him for a year.
49:40
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden Tucker crafts, like one
49:42
Speaker 2: of the top five tight ends in the league right now.
49:44
Speaker 2: So what a steal there, James, good pick, man. If
49:47
Speaker 2: you're out there listening. Yeah.
49:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I, and I'm still in a league with James.
49:52
Speaker 1: It's possible. Although I think James is getting real busy
49:55
Speaker 1: these days. He had to drop out of the four sport,
49:58
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, these, there were amazing values in this
50:02
Speaker 1: thing late, but mostly you look at it and it's
50:05
Speaker 1: an Island of broken dreams. And as I look at it,
50:08
Speaker 1: I'm like the, the, After I look at my draft,
50:10
Speaker 1: I'm like, how am I decent? I have a chance.
50:14
Speaker 1: I've been mid to slightly above the middle in the
50:17
Speaker 1: four sport ranks, pretty much in the league. Good in
50:22
Speaker 1: hockey and basketball, poor in baseball and football. But my
50:26
Speaker 1: football team this year is, I don't know, I'm like
50:29
Speaker 1: in second place right now, which is going to cause
50:32
Speaker 1: me to irrationally buy, I think, and do stupid things
50:35
Speaker 1: to try to succeed. My baseball team is a little
50:38
Speaker 1: on the rise. We've talked before about I'm just stockpiling
50:40
Speaker 1: prospects and hoping for the best. But I figured out
50:44
Speaker 1: why I've been okay. And that is that I have
50:47
Speaker 1: turned over everything. 16 of my top 20 pro picks
50:52
Speaker 1: in this draft are no longer on my team. A
50:55
Speaker 1: couple of them drops mostly trades and a lot more helpful.
51:02
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the best players on my teams
51:03
Speaker 1: are guys that I ended up trading for. I don't know.
51:06
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I ripped people off, but I
51:09
Speaker 1: gradually climbed through a series of trades, and I kept
51:14
Speaker 1: myself out of cap trouble that some other teams I
51:16
Speaker 1: feel like got themselves into with some picks and have
51:20
Speaker 1: been able to recover from this initial situation. How are
51:27
Speaker 1: you feeling about your draft now, looking back on it
51:32
Speaker 1: and where you're at?
51:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think looking back on it now, like we
51:36
Speaker 2: were pleased, right? As a group, we've had a lot
51:37
Speaker 2: of success. We've still had lots of success, even though
51:40
Speaker 2: we haven't been able to achieve what everyone's final goal is,
51:44
Speaker 2: which is just finish number one. We haven't won a sport,
51:47
Speaker 2: came close a couple of times, took second in basketball once.
51:51
Speaker 2: So we've had a lot of success. We're right there
51:53
Speaker 2: at the top of the middle for almost every sport
51:55
Speaker 2: most years. Having a little down part now, I think
51:58
Speaker 2: that's like our down part now, I think is a
52:01
Speaker 2: kudos and shout out to the rest of the league
52:03
Speaker 2: that now that we're entering our fourth season, everyone that's
52:06
Speaker 2: still here or that's joined, they have a much better
52:09
Speaker 2: understanding of how it all works. One of the primary
52:13
Speaker 2: examples of that is like football defense. I felt like
52:16
Speaker 2: a lot of it was just no one really cared
52:18
Speaker 2: about the defense, but now the league as a whole
52:21
Speaker 2: has really started to adjust. Now defense is much harder
52:24
Speaker 2: to acquire than it was for the first couple of seasons.
52:26
Speaker 2: It's much more expensive and they get drafted much higher
52:29
Speaker 2: than they were previously. So you just have to adapt
52:32
Speaker 2: with now everyone's general and better understanding or how they're
52:36
Speaker 2: going to change the same thing happened in baseball like
52:38
Speaker 2: you said the top three teams are all using guys
52:42
Speaker 2: that are on pre-arb deals or arbitration deals right so
52:46
Speaker 2: it's adapting and everyone's getting a lot better and everyone's
52:48
Speaker 2: starting to understand other people's tendencies and relationships have been
52:51
Speaker 2: built relationships have been burned maybe not too many but
52:56
Speaker 2: we felt fine i have a question for you who
52:58
Speaker 2: is the one guy when you did all this whether
53:01
Speaker 2: it's pros or prospects and you were like this is
53:03
Speaker 2: the guy I'm 100% certain that he's going to be amazing.
53:07
Speaker 2: And looking back on it three years ago, you were
53:09
Speaker 2: either right or you were wrong. And you were just like,
53:12
Speaker 2: this is the one I'm going to get no matter what.
53:16
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was that excited about anybody
53:20
Speaker 1: necessarily that I thought. Obviously, every time I picked one
53:24
Speaker 1: of these guys, I felt like I was above the consensus.
53:28
Speaker 1: I suppose the one guy who I'm just known to
53:31
Speaker 1: be irrationally good optimistic about has always been sal freelike
53:35
Speaker 1: and i took him in the eighth round pick 134
53:38
Speaker 1: in the minors and of course sal is just partly
53:41
Speaker 1: he's not been healthy a whole lot of the time
53:45
Speaker 1: but he's not turned out to do the things that
53:47
Speaker 1: i was hoping that sal would do so far in
53:50
Speaker 1: his career there's plenty to go and he's still a
53:53
Speaker 1: starting member of a very good brewer's team but maybe
53:56
Speaker 1: i would pick him I did get some good guys
53:58
Speaker 1: later on. This team was not bereft of talent by
54:02
Speaker 1: any means. I got Tariq Scooble in the 36th round
54:05
Speaker 1: of the pro draft. There were good things, but nonetheless, yeah,
54:09
Speaker 1: I don't know. Who was your guy that you thought
54:11
Speaker 1: was going to blow?
54:13
Speaker 2: How long did Scooble stay on your team before he left?
54:17
Speaker 1: Did I trade him to you?
54:18
Speaker 2: No, we thought about it. We thought about it, but
54:21
Speaker 2: it was too expensive at the time for our blood.
54:23
Speaker 2: Now he's way more expensive, unfortunately.
54:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. I held him to pretty high value. I traded
54:28
Speaker 1: him for pretty significant. And that's the thing is I said,
54:30
Speaker 1: these guys aren't on my team. That's because I traded
54:33
Speaker 1: them and they were still quite valuable, but I also
54:35
Speaker 1: traded them for other players who were valuable. So yeah,
54:37
Speaker 1: it's not that these were all busts, but yeah, Tariq Scooble,
54:41
Speaker 1: I turned a 36 round pick into, I forget, but
54:44
Speaker 1: it was a lot of nice things.
54:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. We had two specifically. We, when I say we,
54:49
Speaker 2: I say I did where I was absolutely stubborn and
54:53
Speaker 2: The first one was Jesper Wahlstedt. I was absolutely convinced
54:57
Speaker 2: that he was going to be the best goalie in
54:59
Speaker 2: hockey for zero reason. I had never seen him play.
55:02
Speaker 2: It was only based on what I heard and what
55:04
Speaker 2: I read. And I went, we're getting him to my,
55:07
Speaker 2: I traded for him at all of my hockey leagues.
55:09
Speaker 2: I have them everywhere that I can get him. And
55:12
Speaker 2: now he is one of the best goalies in hockey.
55:14
Speaker 2: So that one worked out. The one that didn't was
55:16
Speaker 2: John Meche. I was convinced he was going to be
55:19
Speaker 2: the next great wide receiver and the I remember Mummert
55:23
Speaker 2: specifically asked me, like we were working on a trade
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Speaker 2: and I was like, no, you got to give way
55:26
Speaker 2: more for him. And he's like, no, I don't think
55:28
Speaker 2: I will. I don't think I will. And he didn't.
55:31
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was a giant. Now I see like
55:33
Speaker 2: that was a terrible trade conversation. But my value was
55:37
Speaker 2: way higher than what anyone else probably on the planet
55:40
Speaker 2: thought he was going to be. So you can be
55:43
Speaker 2: right and you can be wrong and you can be
55:45
Speaker 2: very wrong. And John Meche was a very wrong.
55:49
Speaker 1: Oh, we all have those. We all have those, but yeah, no,
55:52
Speaker 1: I think this has been a good tour. Any last
55:54
Speaker 1: thoughts on this startup draft and looking back at a
55:58
Speaker 1: dynasty draft three years later?
56:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was really fun to go back and review
56:04
Speaker 2: because I remember walking out of my office at work
56:06
Speaker 2: to go draft at that time. I had just gotten
56:09
Speaker 2: back from parental leave. So I was right back into
56:12
Speaker 2: work when we started doing this thing and I was like,
56:14
Speaker 2: dang it, I can't just be at home. But it's
56:17
Speaker 2: just a good lesson to remember. Don't overreact in the moment,
56:20
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to trades or what happens or
56:22
Speaker 2: someone didn't follow you. And while I go through this,
56:25
Speaker 2: I remember all the trades, not all, but a lot
56:27
Speaker 2: of the trades that happened, a lot of the conversations
56:29
Speaker 2: that we had with our peers, those that are still
56:31
Speaker 2: with us and those that aren't with us anymore. And
56:33
Speaker 2: it's just been such a fun experience. And I can't
56:38
Speaker 2: tell you how much I've learned from every sport just
56:41
Speaker 2: by having the conversation with a lot of these folks
56:43
Speaker 2: in this league. So It's something that I always say
56:46
Speaker 2: is just embrace your league, embrace your teams, embrace your coach,
56:50
Speaker 2: like just embrace your, embrace all the managers. Like it's
56:54
Speaker 2: really great to build this community. And I've had nothing
56:57
Speaker 2: but an amazing time with everyone who's been involved with it.
57:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it is. It is a whole lot of fun.
57:03
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much people enjoyed hearing the
57:06
Speaker 1: blow by blow of a league that wasn't theirs. If
57:09
Speaker 1: you get nothing else, know that it's a lot of fun.
57:12
Speaker 1: And especially if you have the right group of people
57:14
Speaker 1: to play with. And I feel like we do. But Marcus,
57:18
Speaker 1: any last words that you want to give to the
57:19
Speaker 1: people before we get out of here?
57:21
Speaker 2: Just enjoy the seasons, folks. Have fun. Continue building those bonds.
57:25
Speaker 2: And you remember, fantasy is all about having fun. So
57:28
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thank you, Marcus, for coming on. And we'll be
57:33
Speaker 1: right back to close out the show. Off once again
57:44
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