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The Ex-Husband of Instagram Accused of Theft · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torver and coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, Tammy Hembrough's Vogue feature sparks copycat claims
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  Speaker 2: and Sammy Robinson's secret tattoo. But first, Olivia Rogers' ex-husband,
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  Speaker 2: Justin McKeon, has been accused of allegedly stealing close to
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  Speaker 2: half a million dollars from his former employer, I was
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  Speaker 2: shocked when I saw this story break in the Herald Sun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this story was a double page spread in Sunday's paper.
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  Speaker 2: It made page 12, which is high up there for
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  Speaker 2: a story on someone who's relatively unknown to mainstream readers. Now, ironically,
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  Speaker 2: the news broke the same day Olivia Rogers celebrated her
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  Speaker 2: first anniversary with her new boyfriend, Hugo. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: she wouldn't be impressed because her photo was splashed all
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  Speaker 2: over this new story. So there were photos of her
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  Speaker 2: and Justin together. not the photos you want to see
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  Speaker 2: on your one year anniversary. Well, this is really what
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  Speaker 2: beefed the story up, the inclusion of her name in it,
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  Speaker 2: because she obviously has a much larger profile than Justin McKeon.
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  Speaker 2: I actually think that the one year anniversary came at
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  Speaker 2: a good time, though, because It was her opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: remind her followers that she's been dating someone else for
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  Speaker 2: a year. Her relationship with Justin McKean is very much
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  Speaker 2: in the past and it is sort of distinguishing herself
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  Speaker 2: from the fresh allegations about him. See, I actually think
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  Speaker 2: she would have welcomed this coverage because When the news
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  Speaker 2: broke that she was breaking up with her husband, there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of speculation about whose fault it was.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when something like this happens, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of blame placed on the woman that they must
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  Speaker 2: have done something wrong. I mean, the marriage only lasted
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  Speaker 2: six months. Well, the general theme was that she got
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  Speaker 2: caught up in the wedding and it was all about
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  Speaker 2: the wedding for her. But as she slowly started speaking
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  Speaker 2: on podcasts, it became clear that the issue was with him.
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  Speaker 2: And I think now that this story has broken, people
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  Speaker 2: can see what was really going on behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: of what looked like a very perfect relationship. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's important to point out that this alleged theft took
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  Speaker 2: place after Olivia Rogers and Justin broke up.
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  Speaker 1: Years after. Yeah, years after.
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  Speaker 2: These are very recent allegations. And it was an interesting
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  Speaker 2: move by the Herald Sun because they had their entertainment reporter,
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  Speaker 2: Fiona Byrne, break this story. She has done a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stories in the past on Olivia Rogers, but technically
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  Speaker 2: this is a court story. But I think as you
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  Speaker 2: pointed out, Sophie, this has such large entertainment values. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was actually a good move of them to
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  Speaker 2: put Fiona Byrne on this story. Well, Amy, you originally
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  Speaker 2: said that it was quite a big spread for someone
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  Speaker 2: who is relatively unknown, but it's all about the prominence
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  Speaker 2: of his ex-wife, Olivia Rogers. And that's why we are
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  Speaker 2: hearing so much about it. Now, I think we should
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  Speaker 2: get into what Justin has been accused of. So in
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  Speaker 2: March this year, Justin started working for a company called
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  Speaker 2: Cosmic Sales, which trades as Rocket Brands. And the company
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  Speaker 2: helps launch pharmaceutical brands into the market and And according
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  Speaker 2: to their website, they provide branding, sales, and strategic direction.
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  Speaker 2: So Justin was employed as the head of finance at Rocket.
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  Speaker 2: And I know we're all into the juicy details here.
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  Speaker 2: So according to the Herald Sun, his salary was $ 200, 000
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  Speaker 2: a year. See, this didn't surprise me because from what
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  Speaker 2: I knew of Justin McKeon when he was dating Olivia Rogers,
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  Speaker 2: he seemed to have this high-flying CFO role at a
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  Speaker 2: company called Tribe. All I remember is that he was
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  Speaker 2: in charge of their budget for the wedding and she
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  Speaker 2: was saying.
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  Speaker 1: I was He's got a background in finance. He's very
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  Speaker 1: good at putting the figures together. So when all of
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  Speaker 1: this news broke, I was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, months into his role, staff allegedly notified Rockets managing
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  Speaker 2: director Matt Holmes that Justin was acting erratically. According to
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  Speaker 2: court documents, staff claimed Justin had been sleeping in the
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  Speaker 2: work toilet for up to four hours a day, as
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  Speaker 2: well as taking 90 minute lunch breaks and He was
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  Speaker 2: also accused of leaving the office regularly without finishing his work.
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  Speaker 2: That line about Justin sleeping in the work toilets for
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  Speaker 2: four hours really demonstrates how much he must have been struggling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually very sad when you read these allegations.
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  Speaker 2: Now, these complaints prompted Justin's boss to call in two
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  Speaker 2: external accountants to investigate his work on the company's finances.
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  Speaker 2: And they allegedly discovered 114 unauthorized payments made to Justin's
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  Speaker 2: bank account, which totaled $ 481, 490.
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  Speaker 1: 33.
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  Speaker 2: So the company claims the payments began in late May
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  Speaker 2: of this year and continued on until the 6th of
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  Speaker 2: October and were allegedly disguised as transactions to other businesses.
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  Speaker 2: So on October 14th, Justin's boss, Matt Holmes, confronted him
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  Speaker 2: about the transactions and In an affidavit, he said, Mr
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  Speaker 2: McKeon told me that he had taken funds from Rocket
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  Speaker 2: to support a very serious drug habit. Mr McKeon admitted
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  Speaker 2: to theft of company money. Mr McKeon told me that
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  Speaker 2: he would do his best to return the money, but
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  Speaker 2: that he did not have any of the money from
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  Speaker 2: the impugned transactions in his bank account. Now, following that meeting,
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  Speaker 2: Justin was stood down and the incident was reported to
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  Speaker 2: Victorian police. The company also successfully filed a freezing order
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  Speaker 2: against Justin in late October. Now, a freezing order is
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  Speaker 2: often put in place to stop someone from disposing or
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  Speaker 2: hiding money that is suspected of being proceeds of crime.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to point out that at this stage, the
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  Speaker 2: case is still a civil case and not a criminal one.
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  Speaker 2: So Rocker is seeking the repayment of the $ 481, 000 and
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  Speaker 2: any profits made from the use of the money. They
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  Speaker 2: are also asking for damages, compensation and costs, which is
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  Speaker 2: the cost of their legal fees, which I'm assuming would
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  Speaker 2: be a lot of money. Now, this case is also
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  Speaker 2: being investigated by Victorian Police's Crime Investigation Unit. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is an ongoing matter and charges are yet to be laid. However,
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  Speaker 2: things could escalate very quickly. So embezzlement is an extremely
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  Speaker 2: serious charge, which can result in up to 10 years
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  Speaker 2: in prison. Justin is yet to publicly comment on the incident,
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  Speaker 2: and he has since shut down his Instagram account, which
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  Speaker 2: he previously had around 10,000 followers on. I think that
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  Speaker 2: would be the instruction of his lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: And this second high-profile influencer court case we've seen in
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  Speaker 2: the past year. There's been so much interest recently in
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  Speaker 2: Gracie Piscopo's former partner, Andre Ribello's case. He's been accused
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  Speaker 2: of murdering his mom. This is something he has denied,
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  Speaker 2: but this case is still in court and it has
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  Speaker 2: had so much media attention. I think we're going to
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  Speaker 2: see a similar media circus, especially if criminal charges are laid.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the big differences is that Olivia Rogers,
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  Speaker 2: who is the person with prominence that's linked to this case,
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  Speaker 2: a bit like Gracie Piscopo, wasn't actually involved with Justin
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 1: So she won't be appearing in court, I presume.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that worries me for Justin and more so
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  Speaker 2: Olivia is this court case is going to bring about
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  Speaker 2: a lot more interest in them as a couple and
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  Speaker 2: why they broke up.
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  Speaker 1: That is just how the media works.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's been a lot of chat online about whether
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  Speaker 2: it's fair to actually drag Olivia into this considering she's
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  Speaker 2: not with Justin anymore. I mean, to me, it's not
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  Speaker 2: surprising that she's been brought into it. She does make
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  Speaker 2: this a more newsworthy story. And we've also been sold
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  Speaker 2: as consumers this illusion of this extremely glamorous couple, not
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  Speaker 2: just on social media, but we've got to remember Justin
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  Speaker 2: and Olivia were a huge part of the social scene
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne. They've been in the paper a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times and this news has really shattered the illusion. And
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  Speaker 2: since marrying Olivia Rogers and gaining a profile, he actually
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  Speaker 2: has surrounded himself with a lot of influencers and well-known
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  Speaker 2: public figures like Nick Russian. He always seems to be
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  Speaker 2: socializing with him. He was in the news for dating
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of Bachelor contestants. Yeah, well, he was most
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  Speaker 2: recently dating former Bachelor contestant Tani Leeson. Now, she was
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  Speaker 2: also mentioned in the story and She started dating Justin
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  Speaker 2: in September 2023, but they reportedly split in June last
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  Speaker 2: year due to their values not aligning. However, in June
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  Speaker 2: this year, So Dramatic reported that Tani had reunited with
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  Speaker 2: Justin attending an AFL match together. And at the time,
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  Speaker 2: she told So Dramatic that they were just friends. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's nowhere to be seen on her Instagram account.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether he was scrubbed before or after.
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  Speaker 2: See, you were talking about whether it's fair to bring
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  Speaker 2: Olivia Rogers into this story, but you almost have to
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  Speaker 2: feel for him in a sense that, again, he's not
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  Speaker 2: the one that had the profile. He was just adjacent
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  Speaker 2: to someone with a profile. Like I'm guessing he wishes
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  Speaker 2: that he never had this type of profile now that
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  Speaker 2: this story has come out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's from Perth.
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  Speaker 2: And all I think about is because Olivia would always
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  Speaker 2: share their Christmas catch-ups with his family. It all looked
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  Speaker 2: very wholesome. And I just think about that poor family
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  Speaker 2: who's having to deal with this in the spotlight. It
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  Speaker 2: would just be horrendous. The bottom line is this is
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  Speaker 2: really just a sad case for everyone involved. The quotes
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  Speaker 2: that we did hear referencing Justin's behavior, it's clear that
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  Speaker 2: he was not in his right state of mind. He's
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  Speaker 2: struggling with addiction. And it's really sad that this is
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  Speaker 2: going to play out publicly for him.
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  Speaker 3: I've literally never spoken about this. I knew you guys
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  Speaker 3: were going to expose this.
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  Speaker 1: I said this to the girls.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, now everyone's going to know I have
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  Speaker 3: a tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: One Mile founder, Sammy Robinson's secret tattoo has been outed
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  Speaker 2: on the Happy Hour podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The OG beauty vlogger was.
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  Speaker 2: Forced to reveal she got inked at a Jagger and
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  Speaker 2: Stone after party with Tammy Hembrough immediately copying her design. Sophie,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I could love this story anymore. I
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  Speaker 2: want to say big props to Lucy Jackson and Nikki
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  Speaker 2: Westcott for dragging this story out of her because she
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  Speaker 2: has been hiding it for a number of years.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's clear she didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Actually want to tell this story. I didn't actually realize
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  Speaker 2: that Sammy had been friends with the Happy Hour host
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  Speaker 2: since the start of her YouTube days because Sammy first
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  Speaker 2: met Lucy through Princess Polly. And this was when Lucy
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  Speaker 2: was working for Princess Polly as a brand manager.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that she worked at Princess Polly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it gives her a bit more cred with
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  Speaker 2: Jagger and Stone. Obviously, she's worked in the industry before.
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  Speaker 2: It must be really weird for Lucy to have also
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  Speaker 2: been on both sides of the influencer space. And it
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  Speaker 2: was at this Jagger and Stone party where the infamous
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  Speaker 2: tattoo story happened. Yeah. And the girl said it was
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  Speaker 2: very early days for the brand. So they didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a huge budget for this launch. So they ended up
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  Speaker 2: booking a nice lunch at the casino and then they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have money for an after party. So they invited
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  Speaker 2: everyone back to Lucy and Nikki's hotel room. And to
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  Speaker 2: paint the picture, they said it was a very small
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  Speaker 2: room with two king single beds. And it's a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a tradition to have a tattoo artist at their
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  Speaker 2: Jagger party. So they arranged for her to come up
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  Speaker 2: to the room and all of the guests could pick
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  Speaker 2: whatever they wanted. Now, by this point, everyone was obliterated
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  Speaker 2: and Sammy was supposed to be catching a flight home
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  Speaker 2: that night, but instead canceled her flight and decided to
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  Speaker 2: get a tattoo.
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  Speaker 1: Which is not.
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  Speaker 2: Really part of Sammy's brand. I was surprised to hear
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  Speaker 2: that she even had a single tattoo. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I've seen one on her body. No, and I think
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  Speaker 2: her tattoo choice may shock some of her OG followers.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what they said.
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  Speaker 4: And then Sammy Robinson, like the most, you know, demure,
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  Speaker 4: like chic, elevated girl in the entire group is like,
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  Speaker 4: I know what I'm going to get.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get.
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  Speaker 4: You tell.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was like, I've always said if I was
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  Speaker 3: ever going to get a tattoo, I'd get like a
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  Speaker 3: jaguar up my spine, like something crazy. Obviously, I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: No, we didn't have the time.
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  Speaker 3: And so there was... I don't know if I want
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  Speaker 3: to say where it is, but the one place I
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  Speaker 3: got it.
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  Speaker 4: No, you will say where it is.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to put a cat where I got it.
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  Speaker 2: Because... Self-explanatory. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: It is on her pussy.
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  Speaker 1: Meow.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm like obsessed with tigers and cats and lions
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  Speaker 3: and things. That was the only thing I could think of.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, what's, something adjacent in power and
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  Speaker 3: like beautiful. I was like, let me get a dragon.
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  Speaker 3: Like no reasoning behind it whatsoever. So now I'm just
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  Speaker 3: the girl with the dragon tattoo.
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  Speaker 4: The girl with the dragon tattoo down there.
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  Speaker 1: It's really small as well.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that small, babe. I remember thinking that's not
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  Speaker 4: the smallest dragon I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: I love that Nikki had to point out that it
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  Speaker 2: actually wasn't that small. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it would have been more iconic though
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  Speaker 2: if Sammy had actually gotten the cat on her vagina.
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  Speaker 2: Like that would have been so funny. As you said, Amy,
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  Speaker 2: not on brand for her to get. Well, when I
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  Speaker 2: was listening to this interview, I was really curious as
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  Speaker 2: to what the dragon actually looked like, especially because Nikki
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  Speaker 2: said it was so big. And thanks to Tammy Hembrough,
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  Speaker 2: we have an insight into what it actually looks like.
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  Speaker 1: On Sammy's vagina.
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  Speaker 2: Because she decided to randomly get the same one. So
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  Speaker 2: she got this dragon tattoo design on her hip.
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  Speaker 4: I just love that you didn't even second guess it.
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  Speaker 5: You were like, yeah, I know what I'm getting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting a dragon on my pussy.
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  Speaker 4: And then I think it was Tammy who was like, what?
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I want. Yeah, Tammy.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to visualise it, Tammy has the same one.
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  Speaker 3: And now I have a matching one with Tammy. I
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  Speaker 3: love her so much.
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  Speaker 5: We're like.
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  Speaker 4: But that's random.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone else, I think everyone got like a red
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  Speaker 3: snake where everyone was getting like matching snakes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's the day I got this one. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: all got that snake. And Tammy was like, I want
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  Speaker 1: the dragon. I was like, Tammy, no, that's my tattoo.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, that's actually a funny story about Tammy. So we
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  Speaker 4: got a matching tattoo with me, Nikki, Em, Davies and Lily. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because we always used to say live your best life, L-Y-B-L.
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  Speaker 4: And this was at another Jagger party. And Tammy, who
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  Speaker 4: had never said that before in her life, just wanted
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  Speaker 4: to gym in on it. So she also got that
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  Speaker 4: even though she wasn't even like.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: She just loves getting tattoos.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like chill out. It's not like it's her
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  Speaker 3: only one or it's not like it's sentimental.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, it looks cool, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an issue with getting tattoos at these
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  Speaker 2: type of brand events because if you've seen the behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes videos, it's like there's a piece of paper
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  Speaker 2: and it's like pick one. Well, I just love it
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  Speaker 2: because here's Sammy who's wanting to be a bit edgy
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  Speaker 2: and and unique. And Tammy's like, I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: that one too.
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  Speaker 1: Like you'd just be like, oh, fuck off.
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  Speaker 2: And it's quite funny because it came out that Tammy
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  Speaker 2: is quite known for jumping on the tattoo bandwagon. So
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  Speaker 2: Lucy and Nikki revealed that at another Jacker and Stone party,
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  Speaker 2: Tammy got a matching tattoo with their friendship group. So
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  Speaker 2: this was before Lucy and Nikki had their big falling
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  Speaker 2: out with Lily Brown and they all got matching tattoos
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  Speaker 2: with M Davies, which said L-Y-B-L. So that stands for
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  Speaker 2: live your best life. But this is despite Tammy not
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  Speaker 2: being a part of the friendship group or having any
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  Speaker 2: affiliation with this term.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, I'm just going to get it.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've always known that Tammy Hembrough doesn't put
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  Speaker 2: a lot of thought into her tattoo. She got one
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  Speaker 2: for Matt Sikowsky after.
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  Speaker 1: Dating him for two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: I want to confirm though for Sammy though, that this
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  Speaker 2: is her first and only tattoo because she actually ended
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  Speaker 2: up having a freak out the next day when she
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  Speaker 2: hopped in the shower. So the ink started running and
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  Speaker 2: she thought that she had permanently smudged it. So she
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  Speaker 2: rang Nikki in tears and Nikki was like, it's fine, baby.
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  Speaker 1: It'll wash off.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that was quite interesting too, is she was
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  Speaker 2: actually dating Nick at the time and she didn't know
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  Speaker 2: how to break the news to him.
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  Speaker 1: About the tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: She said she was really nervous and embarrassed for some
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  Speaker 2: reason because she was supposed to come home that night
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  Speaker 2: and she just randomly when he got a tattoo on
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  Speaker 2: her vagina she just returns with this dragon dragon tattoo
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  Speaker 2: she said that she just waited basically until they had
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  Speaker 2: sex to spring it on him and he ended up
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  Speaker 2: laughing and telling her that she was so weird it
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  Speaker 2: was really refreshing to hear sammy speak so candidly in
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: an interview And I feel like I got this whole
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: different perception of her.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's always seemed really cool, but she.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Seemed a bit more edgy in this interview. Yeah. And
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I think it helped that Lucy and Nikki are friends
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: with her because she felt more comfortable to sort of
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: tell some of these stories because she usually is one
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: of those influencers who's very well media trained. And she
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: seems to put up a bit of a guard, particularly
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: when questions turn to her past relationships. I think she
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: never really wants to be seen as being that person
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: who's weighing into the weeds, particularly when her brand One
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Mile is on the rise. She wants to be taken seriously. Yeah,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: but this is despite her ex-boyfriend, Jordan Simmer, who we've
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: discussed a number of times on this podcast. He's always
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: tried in the past to drag her name into the drama,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: but she's always stayed quiet on it.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: And respectful about it.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And this was until this interview where I mean, they
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: didn't mention Jordan by name.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: They referred to him as the boxer.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It was quite funny because Lucy said that she wanted
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: to reach out to Sammy at the time and ask
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: if Jordan was for real, but she was really worried
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: that she was.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Going to offend her.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And Sammy said that there was a lot of confusion
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: around the boxing match because she never actually publicly commented
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: on it. She tried to distance herself from it and
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: not give it any oxygen because she said she was
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: always very private about her relationship with Jordan, whereas he
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: was ultra public about it. But you could tell she
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: was trying to still defend him a little bit because
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I think the tone that Lucy and Nikki were using
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: was kind of like what everyone was thinking.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Why is Sammy Robinson giving him the time of day?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: But Sammy was trying to reiterate- he's very passionate about everything.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just that he was obsessed with her.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Well, she tried to explain the appeal of the relationship
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: with him. And she said that she started dating him
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: after her long-term relationship with Nick and she was craving
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: someone to give her attention. And she said that he
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: really taught her about how she wants to be adored
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: because she lost that with Nick. Yeah. Well, it was
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: also a COVID relationship. And I think a lot of
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: people have ended their COVID relationships now. Well, Lucy ended
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: up saying what we were all thinking and asked Sammy
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: if Jordan was a clout chaser. And Sammy basically said
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: that she didn't see any red flags early on because
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: as you said, Amy, they got together during COVID. So
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I think they spent six months in lockdown together and
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: neither of them were posting about, like he never posted
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: about her. She never posted about him. Wouldn't you think
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you'd have red flags if you were stuck in isolation
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: with Jordan Simi?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I suppose he.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Wasn't acting erratically in the public space.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: He was very chilled.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, she said that she's obsessive in relationship and
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: she attracts obsessive guys as well.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We even made sure to comment on this happy hour reel.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: So he ended up putting a gif of Ryan Gosling
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: from the notebook.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So is he still trying to chase her? I think
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: he just likes attention.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I just can't wait to see that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I'm so excited.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: English actress and fashion designer Betsy Blue English has accused
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Tammy Hembrough of copying her wedding cake. The allegations came
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: after Vogue released a spread of the mega-influencer's wedding to
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Matt Sikowsky. Now, Kate, before we get into the drama...
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Who is Betsy Blue?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: That is a good question because I kept seeing her
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: name pop up everywhere and it was like, Betsy Blue
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: has said this about Tammy Hember. I'm like, who the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: hell is she? Now, she was.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Touted as this UK actress and a fashion designer, but
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: she actually found fame on the UK X Factor in 2014.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So since then, she's moved to LA and I found
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: an article saying that she's landed two lead roles in
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: new Netflix shows. I'm yet to know what those Netflix
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: shows are because there's not a lot of information out
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: there about it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: So she is 28.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Years old with 165,000 followers on Instagram and she owns
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: her own fashion label called Somebody. Now, the brand's Instagram
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: account advises that the brand is actually pronounced with a
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: French accent. Look, we're not even going to go there
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: because we get slammed for a lot of words that
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: we pronounce.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So let's move on.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So on Wednesday, just after the Vogue spread dropped,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Betsy re-shared a photo of Tammy cutting her wedding cake
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: on her Instagram story and wrote, I wish people would
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: get their own imagination sometimes.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So what is the go with the wedding cake? Do
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they look the same?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Look, I think she has a point because... Tammy's cake
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: looks almost identical to her. So both of them opted
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: for a white eight foot tall tiered cake in a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: vintage theme. Which is quite ironic because Tammy only had
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: 112 guests. That is a lot of cake for that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: amount of guests. All I could think was how expensive
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: was this cake?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Well, she had to.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Stand on a chair. in order to be at the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: top of the cake to cut it. It was such
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a good photo opportunity. Where was Matt in this photo?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this really is the Tammy show,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: isn't it? And I think most people enjoyed seeing the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: photo of just Tammy with the cake in the spread. Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: And this is the photo that has pissed Betsy off
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: because She has a very similar photo on her Instagram.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Her husband is actually in the photo. So she was
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: also standing on a very similar chair to Tammy cutting
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the cake. Now where the argument falls down is this
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: cake style is very on trend and it has been
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: for quite a few years.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: There's no way this was a new idea from Betsy.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Everyone copies each other. Everyone looks at Pinterest on what
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: is on trend. This is clearly a trend. For very
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: rich people who can afford that sort of cake-ish.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Look, I think perhaps this comes down to Betsy being
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit envious because she got married at the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Ritz in Paris in September this year and her wedding
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: looked like it belonged in vogue. Everything was curated perfectly
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: down to a T. Her bridal looks were stunning. The
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: location was picturesque. The theming was absolutely out of this world.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And despite nailing it, she didn't get a spread in
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Vogue while Tammy did. I think it's a bit of
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a stretch to say that Tammy copied this cake, particularly
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: because Betsy's wedding took place in September. Tammy's was in November.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: She would have had this concept for the cake locked
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: in well in advance. And this is something that we're
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: seeing on Pinterest at the moment.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's not like Betsy is the only person who's ever
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: done this cake.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I love how funny people get about weddings because if
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: you think about it, even if Tammy did copy it,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: it's quite a compliment because it's like, oh, she.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Obviously liked what she did.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I saw an Instagram post and they were comparing photos
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of Betsy and Tammy's wedding and they were pointing out
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: other similarities. For example, Tammy's hair was very similar to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Betsy's So I don't know whether it was just.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: The cake that then pushed her over the edge.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like Betsy wore an updo and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Tammy wore an updo. Like it's not out of this
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: world thing. And we've got to remember, Tammy had a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: team of prestigious wedding planners working for her. If anyone
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: copied it, it would have been them. Yeah, because Tammy
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: employed the nuptial collective who are known for doing high
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: profile influencers weddings. They recently did Zara and McDonald's. Mia
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Plesic claims that they did hers. What do you mean claim?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how much.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: They would have been involved because her wedding was definitely
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: not at the level of some of these other.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: They've got different packages, I'm assuming.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Now, to Betsy's credit, she has come out and apologized
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to Tammy. So on an update about this drama on
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So Dramatic's post, she commented, this was intended for close friends. Oops,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: not my style to post publicly. So apologies to Tammy
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: for that. There's no drama here. She looks really beautiful.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And to be fair, I think everyone needs a big cake.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And she added the crying with laughter, shrugging and love
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: heart emoji afterwards. What is with all these people getting
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: stung with the close friends feature? She did follow up
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: on her own public Instagram story writing, when you spend
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: an entire day thinking something was on your close friends
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: with an upside down smiley emoji. The worst thing about
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: social media is that in captions, you can't always get tone.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Like I know she said, I wish people would get
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: their own imagination sometimes, but it could have had.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: A bit of a jokey element. I wish people would
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: think that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's gone and used emojis to convey tone
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in those messages. So I think the tone was quite clear.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're not really going to put a red
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: face with the swearing. Does it make it look worse
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: though that this was meant for close friends? Because it
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: almost makes it seem bitchier.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It's snarkier. But do we buy it?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Because Maybe she's just trying to piggyback off this.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Attention surrounding Tammy's wedding.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't buy it because I think she just didn't
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: like how it landed. I think that she thought people
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: would be quite sympathetic to her and say, that is
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: outrageous that she copied your cake. That was your idea.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And then when it didn't hit, I feel like it's like, sorry,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that wasn't intended for everyone else. I genuinely think it
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was a mistake because it's pretty off brand for her
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: to post something like that. Yeah, all her posts are
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: very polished. Now, as we predicted, Tammy and Matt signed
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: an exclusive deal with Vogue. Alongside an interview with Tammy,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Vogue shared 63 photos from the big day. And another
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: part of the deal was the announcement post. So interestingly,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it was just Vogue and Tammy who collaborated on the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: official first wedding post. Matt was not a collaborator or
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: even tagged in the post. His name was hashtagged. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: actually love that from Vogue. I think that that was
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the right move because they want to align with Tammy Hembrough.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: They don't necessarily want to align with Matt, particularly as
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: more stories are circulating.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: From his ex-partner about him.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Surely not a popular move as a couple because when
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you put up your wedding post, and this is the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: first post they've actually put up to say, hey, we
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: got married even though the Daily Mail got the photos
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: days ago.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It's a bit weird that he wasn't a part of that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: My husband wouldn't give a shit.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Like he'd just be like, well, look, if you have
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: this deal with Vogue and that's important to you, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: really don't mind about my own social media account.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, but Matt would.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of people are saying he's a clout
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: chaser and he's doing this. But if you're not a
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: clout chaser, you wouldn't care. Well, that being said, the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: first post I saw Matt share on TikTok about the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: wedding was just him dancing with his groomsmen.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he followed up.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Like, so he shared a few behind the scenes of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: his morning with the groomsmen. And then he said more
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: content to come. Now, Using the word content, it's a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: strange way to talk about your own wedding. Like, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I've noticed since that Tammy has been sharing a lot
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of TikTok content and yes, her job is a content creator,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: but it did give me a little bit of an
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: ick because I'm thinking how much time was put into
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: creating this content as opposed to actually enjoying the wedding day. Yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: but most people do that now. Like just normie people
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: will spend a lot of time doing TikToks. She might
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: find it enjoyable as well. I'm hoping that they actually
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: had a professional person there doing it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: She popped up straight after the wedding and it was
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: a TikTok of her asking her followers, what.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Should she wear to the wedding of the year?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And just saying how excited she was that Tammy reached
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: out to her.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I think I know who you mean.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: She's actually got a really big following on TikTok herself
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and she got famous from posting stuff about her own wedding.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: She's got a really unique voice. It's kind of like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I did this and it's perfect. Her stuff is absolutely beautiful.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Another thing I noticed from the Vogue photos was that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Sharni Grimmond was a guest.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: At the wedding.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea that they were friends.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that really surprised me because Tammy and Matt
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: had spoken about how they had really cut this list back.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: But there were a lot of big names that I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: didn't know were actually friends of her. People were asking
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: where was Lucy and Nikki from the happy hour? Yeah, well,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that was an interesting omission because of all the drama
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: going on with Tammy's ex, Matt Paul, and Nikki's husband,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Olly Frost.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And also Lily Brown was there.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Tammy Hembrough didn't look like she was at
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Nikki's wedding either.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting if they all go to M. Davies' wedding.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like for poor M. Davies, that's where a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: lot of shit's going to hit the fan.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And that's coming up. Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Now, the same day that the Vogue spread dropped, Tammy's ex-fiance,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Rhys Hawkins, shared some new designs for his clothing line, Molten. Now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: he posed in a very grungy photo shoot in Bali
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: wearing shirts with slogans that said, If it has tits
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: or wheels, you'll probably have a.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Problem with it. How charming.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Another said gaslighting, the narcissist's favorite tool of manipulation. But
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the slogan that attracted the most attention was one that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: said bonds of matrimony and had an image of a
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: woman tied up and gagged. And this was the feature
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: photo of the photo dump with the caption total confusion. Now,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: confusion was spelled wrong, which confused a lot of people
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: in our Facebook group. I did love the commentary in
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: our Facebook group because people were saying if they saw
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: anyone wearing one of these t-shirts, it would be a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: complete red flag. There was also a lot of confusion
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: because people took from it that maybe he was upset
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: that Tammy got married with the mention of matrimony. One
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: person wrote, it's giving absent father who hates women. I
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: definitely think this was aimed at Tammy because... There was
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a photo in the photo dump that was of a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: graffiti wall and it said sad generation with happy pictures. Look,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I more think that because Tammy's name was in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: mainstream media at the time and everyone was talking about
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: her wedding, he probably knew that people would be intrigued
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and go and see what he was up to and
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: also Matt Paul. So maybe he thought that this was
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a good time to drop this range of clothes when
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: there was interest, but he totally missed the mark. Yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: but the thing is, including the matrimony reference, that's going
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to get Daily Mail articles written about him.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's made a pot shot at Tammy.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone who'd be interested in Tammy and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Matt's wedding would be purchasing those misogynistic t-shirts. I cannot
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: believe it's already December 3rd. There is a special vibe
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: in the outspoken office at the moment. Amy, you have
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: this delicious candle going that smells like pine. It smells
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: exactly like a freshly cut Christmas tree.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I am going to go buy one of them. They're amazing.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: There's also presents on the table behind you that probably
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: should be wrapped.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I assume none of them are for us.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I bought so many presents in the sales and then
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I remembered I forgot to get wrapping paper. It was
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: definitely our favorite time of the year and we wanted
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to celebrate by dropping a special Christmas series. But There's
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: a bit of a twist because we are interviewing some
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of Australia's biggest influencers about their Christmas traditions, but also
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: just about their life generally. And I think you said
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: last week, Kate, you were quite surprised that some of
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the influencers agreed to be on the show because they
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: are people that we regularly discuss on the show. And
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: our first guest is Indy Clinton. Like I I'm ecstatic
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to have her on the show. It's funny because I
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: was the one that suggested reaching out to Indy about
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the Christmas episode and Amy was like, don't even bother.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: There's no way she's going to respond. She replied instantly.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And she didn't shy away from answering any questions either
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because we said if we're going to have influencers on
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the show, we want to ask them the questions that
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: we're all wanting to know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I love some of the responses that she gave. It
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was so interesting and gave such an insight into what
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: was going on during some of those big moments that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we've been speaking about over this year and past couple
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of years. Well, this is a little taste of what
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you can expect.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Seeing an influencer like post shit, you're just like, shut
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: the f * * * up. You're so tone deaf.
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  Speaker 1: And I get it.
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  Speaker 5: I think the same all the time. That for me
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: was a turning point. point because I was like, holy shit,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: people really do just make things up.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Holly May, she seemingly copied your baby name, Bambi.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think she did?
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  Speaker 1: See, I keep questioning myself because I'm like, she doesn't.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Know I exist. But I'm also like, what are the chances?
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: I knew if I just found a random small business
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: on Etsy that could make these beautiful little Santa sacks,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: they were not going to know who I am. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: then I get a message back, oh my God, Indy,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan. I can't believe you placed this order.
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  Speaker 5: I promise I'm going to keep this name a secret.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: I remember seeing things being like, I know Indy Clinton's
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: baby's name. I've been in this game for 11 years
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: and from every management I've had, I've always been taught
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: not to you know, it'll just blow over. Never talk
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: on anything ever, ever. Just be quiet, be quiet. I'm like,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: why do I have to be quiet for once? I've
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: been quiet my whole life on everything. Why do I
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: have to be quiet about this?
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  Speaker 2: Now, just to be really clear, because we don't want
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: any confusion, we are bringing out fresh content for our
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: listeners throughout December and January.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: There is a little bit of a change in our
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: programming though.
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  Speaker 2: So On Tuesdays, we will have our regular episode every Tuesday. However,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: on Thursday, our episodes are going to look a bit different.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: They will be our interviews with influencers. And then on Friday,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: we are going to have brand new subs episodes. I'm
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: so excited for these episodes to drop. I think that
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you will love them. That is all we have time
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  Speaker 2: for today, though. Thank you so much for joining us
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: for another episode.
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• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Podcasts and Spotify. Yeah, we really need some positive reviews
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: at the moment because some of the Sarah's Day stans
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and Pilates fans weren't too happy with our last episode.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That was a really wild side of TikTok that I've
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: not been across before. My goodness me.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But yes, that is all we have time for. Thank
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. This episode was recorded
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: on the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.