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Snub This · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Coming up on this week's episode of hip Hop Now Podcast, New Jay Electronica
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  Music is on the Way, hip Hop snubs and tantrums from the twenty twenty
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  four Grammy Awards, and remembering Jay Dillar on his fiftieth birthday. Pay your
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  respects, Let's do it. Welcome to jip Hop Now Podcast. If you
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  from the future, you know what you do? Show ass out about that,
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  so disrespect the elect hip hop is say this day es get right into
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  the business. What up, y'all? I am your host Vegas and this
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  is hip Hop Now Podcast, a podcast specifically designed to keep you caught up
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  on all things hip hop music and that happened throughout the week. Big shout
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  out to the supporters over at patreon dot com. If you would like to
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  know what that's all about, get a little insight a couple of links here
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  and now. I've been slackening a little bit, but I got y'all.
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  Visit the link in the description of this episode. Also, if you're done
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  now on the YouTube channel. Exclusively on the YouTube channel, I have a
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  new series called Tell of the Tapes. What I do is basically grab one
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  of my cassette tapes from out of my garage because the ones behind me,
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  that's not all of them. And I talk about them, talk about purchase
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  when it dropped, my feelings back then and my feelings today and people chiming,
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  you know, And I got a couple of joints, right, Like,
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  there's a couple of albums on cassette that you expect to see on cassette,
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  like, oh yeah, I had that, or we all had that,
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  blah blah blah. But there's a few deep cuts, including singles,
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  because remember back then MAXI singles, you know, you buy the single,
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  you get the radio version, the clean version, the thirty version, the
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  instrumental, the remix. A couple of those in there as well, So
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  check it out. So far, I've done everybody from the main ingredient with
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  p Rocket, Seal, Smooth Food, Snickings, Father MC right, illegal,
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  y'all remember them kids cussin all of that, So definitely check that out.
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  One of the episodes will probably be linked to this at the end of
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  this episode. But yeah, it's a nice trip down memory lane and cassettes
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  and stuff like that. And from when I heard some people collect them,
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  I don't because I still have them. So there you have it big shout
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  out to hip hopdx dot com, DJ Booth dot net, All hip Hop
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  dot Com, and a couple of places where I get these stories from.
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  Let's get right into the business. So if you don't know, and as
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  you can see if you're watching a video, you can follow me on social
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  media at Vegas World I N see right, that means Instagram, Twitter,
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  all of that, right, But I follow hip Boy on Instagram. And
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  what I like about following hip Boy is he's always teasing his work, right,
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  because he's always working. It's kind of weird because you wonder, like,
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  damn, he responds to everything, he teases all this stuff, when
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  is he actually working on it? Well, obviously he's working on music all
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  the time. He just dropped the joint with him and Alchemist that has been
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  on repeat for me only like three tracks, I think. But I found
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  it to be pretty dope. But he's like what people call a good follow
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  right, You're always going to get information, You're always gonna get something interesting.
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  He also will engage with you as well. Uh. But then I
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  saw something that caught my eye because it was an audio sample and he and
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  I you know, usually I don't turn the audio on right away because I
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  don't know what it is. You know, you might be outside, you
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  might be in church, you don't know where you are, and you know,
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  people start cussing and stuff like that. But I saw he had an
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  audio track, so I'm like, man, I know how hipoy get down?
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  Man Like, he just released his album with Larussell and the week before
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  that was with Alchemist. Week before that it was like Game and his pops
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  big hits, like so you gotta you gotta catch up with him. H
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  So I was like, I saw he posted like, oh, you know,
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  Jay elect just hit me and said this will probably be the intro to
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  his project. So I'm like, oh, so the Jay Electronica album that
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  he said you know is probably coming soon is a reality and the feature west
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  Side Gun. And I believe the last time I talked about this was probably
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  sometime last year, where I think Jay Electronica is now on Griselda or he's
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  just working with Westside Gun, not necessarily this song, but just as a
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  project. So I was like, well, let me see what it sounds
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  like, right, So I press play and you can do the same.
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  And I gotta tell y'all for somebody who is quasi a Jay Electronica fan,
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  maybe more of a fan back during the exhibit CE days than today. But
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  I'm still curious about his music because even though he dropped an album, The
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  Written Testimony with jay Z all over that joint, I still liked it.
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  Right, And even though he finally dropped the follow up to his Style Wars
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  released from what was at oh nine or whatever, it was entitled like Act
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  two, it was okay, but it was like, too little, too
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  late, right, we need something fresh. We need something fresh that you
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  made now, new beats, new perspective, more music. So I'm you
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  know, I was curious, and when I pressed blay, I didn't necessarily
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  like what I heard. And it's not because I felt like it was the
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  worst thing in the world. I just felt like the beat was like okay,
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  and then West Side Gun starts rhyming, but I know what to expect
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  this, so it's kind of like okay. Then Jay elect who I think
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  sounds a little bit better on the beat than Westside Gun does, started rhyming.
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  But even with his I was just like, oh, oh, okay,
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  it's just okay. And I haven't heard the whole thing, but I've
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  heard enough you're basically hearing two verses damn there, and it's just kind of
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  like, I don't know where this is going. You know. J Electronica
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  is difficult. It's difficult to nail down what your expectations should be for his
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  project. For one, of course, it took like ten years for him
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  to even drop a project, and then jay Z's all over that, and
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  even though I liked it, it was a collaborative album. And then when
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  he finally drops the project that he'd been holding onto forever that's actually his,
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  it's heavy on the skits and interludes, and you just don't know where you're
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  headed, right, Not that everything has to be linear and you know,
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  guiding me through, but sometimes you kind of have to, right because you're
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  just not You're not making it easy enough for people to consume your music and
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  get all of your concepts. So when I hear something like this, it
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  just sounds like a song, right, doesn't get me hyped, Like the
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  Hip Boy and Alchemist project being teased got me more hyped than hearing Jay Electronica
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  and Westside Gun on a hip boy beat. That it makes no sense I
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  should be just as excited, but it was kind of underwhelming. Now,
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  that doesn't mean the album's gonna be that. That doesn't mean that doesn't even
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  mean the album's coming anytime soon. Because Stove God just dropped a single,
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  so maybe Stove God got an album coming really soon. That was also underwhelming.
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  So even though in twenty twenty four so far, there are a couple
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  of projects I could point to and say this is dope. I think hus
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  Kingpin has a very dope project with Knife Wonder. I think Shaye Noir has
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  a very dope ep Alchemists and Hit Boy. That joint was on repeat.
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  And then there's a few others right who dropped projects that I'm like, yo,
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  I kind of dig this joint. But the ones I like anticipate,
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  like I'm highly anticipating, I'm not even that hyped. I'm just I want
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  to hear it. Like Benny the Butcher, I listen to it all the
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  time because I'm a Bennie the Butcher fan. I'm not disappointed all the time,
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  underwhelmed all the time. I wish it was a little bit better,
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  but what's there? I like? So it's cool, But for the most
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  part, the guys I like have been underwhelming. Now, one last thing
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  since we talk in previews, right, we already talked about Jay elect preview
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  and there's a new Stove Guide record out also teased, and this was teasing
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  the Twitter post, probably Instagram also, but I saw it on Twitter.
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  Freddy Gibbs and Mad Live with a new project. Now what I like most
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  about that they're two for two, two for two as far as them two
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  working together on the album, So third times to chum Freddy Gibbs. It's
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  been a while since he dropped, so I'm I'm ready. I do not
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  want that to also be underwhelming once we get there. I'm trying to temper
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  my expectations. But now I'm kind of worried because I'm like, well,
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  damn all the dudes who I would be hyped, like, yes, we
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  got a project from him and him and him. You kind of listen,
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  You're like, oh, this ain't this. Ain't it. It's not it?
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  So we shall see. What do you think? Did you hear the
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  Jay Electronica snippet? Did you hear the Stove God record? What are your
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  thoughts? Leave your thoughts in a comment section if you're watching this on YouTube.
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  I do read them and I do respond. So the twenty twenty four
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  Grammy Awards took place not that long ago from the future. If you are
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  from the future, get your punk ass out of here. But and that's
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  because you already know what I'm what I'm what happened, okay, but we
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  all know what happened, right, And I'm not gonna go in the years
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  past, I would kind of go through the categories as it released to hip
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  hop and say who won. But as y'all know, I just don't watch
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  award shows. I don't. It's it's they're too long. And half the
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  time it's really only like one or two really great, really great performances that
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  don't require a bunch of lights and pyrotechnics and stuff like that and a million
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  dances and stuff like that. I just really catch the results like the highlights.
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  To me, it's a shorter and I'm like, oh he won,
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  Oh she won, blah blah blah. We're just going to stick to one
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  thing, and that is the album of the hip Hop album, Best hip
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  Hop Album, right, that was the category of But it doesn't matter because
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  in a hip hop category, Killer Mike won all three I think it was
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  three categories, which is dope. If you've been watching this podcast, especially
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  last year when it dropped, I did an episode talking about this is the
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  top five album instantly. The name of the Killer Mike album is Michael by
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  the way, if he interested in listening. When it dropped, I was
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  like, oh, this is already one of the best of the year.
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  By the end of the year, it was right at the top. This
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  is hands down the best album of the year to me, and it beat
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  out Drake and twenty one Savage rightfully, so that album is trash. I
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  don't care what you say. Kids. There's one or two joints I like,
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  I Ain't go front, but also beat album NAS and Hip Boy Kings
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  Disease three, which I thought was the only other album deserving of the award.
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  Also, who else would beat out metro Booman's album and someone else who
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  I can't remember, because the only other album that was also in contention that
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  maybe some people, some kids or whatever felt especially him though I should have
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  won is Travis Scott's album. I think that's called Utopias. I forgive me.
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  I don't care that much, but I did listen to it. I
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  don't remember if I reviewed it here or gave my impressions I might have.
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  But what I do remember from that album it was that it wasn't bad at
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  all. I kind of liked it, especially musically, but it just wasn't
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  better than Killer Mike's Michael album. And the difference it's not the music,
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  because I felt like if you listen to the tracks or the beats on Killer
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  Mike's album and attracts on you even look at King's Disease, but specifically on
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  Travis Scott's album, production wise, quality and everything, concepts and instrumentation,
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  whatever, everything, it's comfortable because it's really good. Now, it's not
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  the same types of beats on both, but it's good. What separates them
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  is lyric. Is the lyrics Killer Mike's album Michael has way more impact on
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  a listener from a personal standpoint because it's his personal story. He has more
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  to say than Travis Scott says. Now, that doesn't discount what Travis Scott
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  had to say on his album that might have been personal. But unfortunately what
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  some artists of today, they tend to say a lot of the same things
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  all the time that have no real world implications. It just becomes redundant.
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  Whereas Killer Mike it's introspective. He's conscious, and I'm not talking about a
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  line or too. I'm talking about entire songs and concepts. Most rappers,
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  including Travis Scott, can do those things within a song, but there's no
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  consistency, there's no commitment to full songs and a full album telling the story.
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  Everything comes together on Killer Mike's album To Tell a Story. Travis Scott
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  has a lot of nice songs, but don't really add up to an entire
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  story. Sure you can find ways to words, salad your way through a
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  bunch of lingo to tie Utopia to the entire project. You can. I'm
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  not saying he's completely like. I'm not saying the album versus the title just
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  nothing connects. That's not true. It's just not better than Michael Now.
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  He basically at the show. Travis Scott during his performance through somewhat of a
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  tantrum right by talking about being by flipping one of the lyrics on his songs
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  and say, you know, being snubbed ten times? Now. I watched
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  I think it was Hip Hop DX. I watched the video where they kind
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  of went over the ten times he was nominated, and unfortunately for him,
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  I can only see one year where I was like, he was probably snubbed
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  for that for sure. But what he has to realize is he's kind of
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  like, I think it was Leonardo DiCaprio time or somebody, some major actor.
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  I think it was Leal And this was previously. I think things have
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  changed now, but where this actor had put in so many great performances,
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  but they was always up against something comparable or better, so they were never
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  going to be the clear winner. And that's kind of how I felt when
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  I looked at like, like, when I look at this, I'm like,
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  well, I don't feel like Utopia is better than Kingsley's East three.
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  It's just not. And it comes down to the cohesiveness of the subject matter,
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  right, it's the focus. I love a vibe too, but I
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  can't buy for like twenty four tracks straight after a while, you know,
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  the vibe, the vibe wears off and you let me go and pay this
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  mortgage. Joe, this paid his rent. You know, I had my
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  time. I bought my little bottle or something, you know, I smoked
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  those something or I went and bought up Starbucks, you know, spend all
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  my money in star Bucks. You know. But now it's time to get
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  back down to reality. And I kind of feel like you cheaping it.
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  I get his frustration and he can be frustrated, but you're kind of cheaping
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  it when you're not looking at I mean, I'm right, he was gracious
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  the other nine times. I get it. But you gotta keep pushing forward
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  because at the end of the day, you'll probably get a Grammy for something
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  that's not your best work. But he should have got a Grammy for sick
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  Oh Mode that year, like Cardi B won the Album of the Year,
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  so I think his album Astro World was up, but it was Cardi B
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  Mania. You wasn't gonna get it, Jack, because there were some other
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  people deserving on that list and you just wasn't gonna get it. But he
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  should have got that at least, and maybe that went to Cardio, so
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  I don't know. But nevertheless, I thought it was lacked a little class.
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  But I get he wanted to make a statement with the snub. They
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  tried to say that, you know, him slamming the chairs all around was
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  also him being frustrated with being snubbed. But when I look at that video,
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  I think the chairs smashing was always planned because what are you going to
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  do, Like, you know, you see you lost and then you're like,
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  y'all give me, y'all give me ten chairs out the back, like
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  who does that? And all black? So it matches everything on the set.
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  No, I think that was planned now, the way he was swinging
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  them joints, it just so happens, like, oh yeah, I got
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  a chairs slamming segment. I'm about to take some frustration down on these speakers
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  in the floor and the stage at me. So I don't mind it as
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  much because I don't really dislike that dude. I think I think he's pretty
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  cool when you hear from him, and I get his frustration and he can
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  be mad and he could talk ish and all that. But what I didn't
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  like were the fans now just a sidebar. Also with the Grammy's jay Z
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  said some stuff. He said some stuff that was true, he said some
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  stuff that was said before, but speaking out saying, you know, Beyonce
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  got snugged. I kind of agree, but I don't know, because I
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  feel like that Renaissance album, if we could sidebar real Quick, was everywhere
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  and it wasn't just black folk, Like I feel like that's all I heard
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  Drake had dropped the album and Beyonce just covered that because she was like,
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  I'm doing this and his anthems and there's a TikTok dance and white and black
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  people everybody doing it. So that's why I felt like with Beyonce, definitely
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  gonna win something for that album because my god, it dominated. But I'm
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  not that familiar with Taylor Swift to know how dominating her music is. I
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  mean, you see it, right, The NFL is more than happy to
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  show that she's at games and stuff like that because they want a different audience
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  to tune into their games. Well, it just all equals more money.
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  So I can't say like Beyonce should have won versus Taylor Swift, but her
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  husband obviously would think that, right, But that's besides the point. What
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  I really didn't like. We're the fans, you people who just really every
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  award show, it don't matter what it is, if it's sports, whatever
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  it is. It's like you don't even appreciate the winner because you're so ready
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  to talk about snubbing. Everybody ain't getting snubbed. You just didn't win.
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  You just didn't win, right. A snub is when there's a consensus that
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  this person had the best thing or best season or whatever, and they go
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  for somebody who didn't even come close to it or were not better. Right,
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  Lamar Jackson deserved to be NFL MVP. But what if they would have
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  gave it to somebody else like Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes we know has super
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  Bowls, but he didn't have a better season than Lamar Jackson. He just
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  didn't. So if Lamar Jackson didn't get it, get the MVP and they
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  gave it to Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson was snubbed. But just because you
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  know an album you preferred, or like some weird people you know who don't
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  who don't know who Killer Mic is, which is crazy because Run the Jewles
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  probably has a younger fan base than people liking Killer Mike from back in the
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  days or from the underground side of it and saying, y'all don't know who,
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  y'all don't know Run of Jewels. This is your first time seeing this
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  dude. This dude's already been high profile before the solo album. But it's
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  not about that. They don't care. All they know is Metro Booming didn't
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  win and Travis Scott didn't win, and that's what they liked, and that's
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  what they loved, and they never took the time to even listen to They
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  might've listened to NAS, but they never took the time to even acknowledge Killer
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  Mike's solo album Michael, when if you're paying attention to hip hop. Just
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  in December, Mad List had Killer Mike's Michael at the top damn then of
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  their Best of twenty twenty. The writing was on the wall. So again,
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  the only album, in my opinion, that was nominated there that could
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  have won or should have won, it's Kings Disease three. But I'm not
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  saying NAS got snubbed because I think Michael is just an overall better album,
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  just is now. Kings Disease three is definitely the best of the Nons and
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  hit Boy projects, But I don't think it was better than Michael, you
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  know. I just think Michael just had just way too much, just too
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  much substance, substance, and it was It's kind of like, I know,
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  some of y'all just buy sheets and the sheets, but you know they
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  are thread council sheets, right, and you feel them, you know,
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  when you have them on your bed. You know, you go to the
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  dollar store and you buy some sheet, You're like, damn, do I
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  even have sheets on the wind cutting through? Right? But and then you
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  go buy some more expensive sheets that have a higher thread count, and you're
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  like, man, these sheets feel good. You know, I'm protected from
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  the elements around me. It's comfortable. I'm going to bad then that's my
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  analogy for that. But that's the difference, right, It's just more depth
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  within Killer Mike's Michael than his counterparts. But the majority of those albums up
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  there were good albums. It's just that it can only be one winner,
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  and just because you didn't win doesn't mean you were snubbed. But I do
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  get Travis Scott's frustration because if there's like ten times of you hoping to get
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  one, you're gonna lose it. So I'm not too mad. I just
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  think it could have been handled in a different way. What do you think
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  did you watch the Grammys? What do you think about this whole snubbing?
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  Did you think Killer Mike deserved to win? Did you think he deserved to
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  sweep? And we know he was in handcuffs not too long after that,
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  But that's not what we do here, we talk music and lastly, so
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  let me you know, sometimes some things you just got to take your time
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  with if you don't know. Recently, hip hop celebrated the fiftieth birthday or
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  what would have been the fiftieth year of his life, Jade Diller. If
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  you don't know who Jay Diller is, he is one of the greatest hip
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  hop producers of all time and not really known for a bunch of hits,
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  even though he's done it, but it probably plays more into the technique and
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  his past for hip hop. He died a few years back, and ever
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  since then there's been Dylla Day and Happy Birthday and books and mixes and number
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  of artists using his music to rap over after he passed. It's just been
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  dope to see him get celebrated like that because he wasn't as celebrated as much
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  as he should have been within hip hop, and you know, obviously people
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  like Buster Rhymes chimed in and he said, happy fifty to the greatest to
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  ever do it, my favorite producer ever and one of my favorite MC's ever
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  ever. I will forever represent you through my work. King comment also chimed
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  in, there isn't a day that goes by that my life isn't moved in
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  touch by what you brought to it. Thank you, my great brother,
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  for blessing me and the talent with your gifts and your artistry and your genius.
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  You are the greatest. We celebrate your born day on the planet.
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  Happy Birthday, Jay Diller. And it kind of goes on and on.
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  Pete Roth, you know, chimed in Happy Born daid to the goat his
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  physical is missed, but his greatness is still here with us. That's high
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  praise. And DJ Jazzy Jeff also called greatest of all time and a genius
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  in one of his messages. These are legends already in the game paying homage
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  to J. Diller and what he's done. If you don't know, there
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  was a book that came out maybe two years ago called Diller Time that ironically
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  I'm still reading, but I do have a review coming up pretty soon that
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  kind of broke down the method to Diyla's madness, which is his production and
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  his influences and Detroit in general. And just to talk real quick on that
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  book and why you know these legends in the hip hop game feel this way
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  about him and hip hop has in general. This man essentially created another way
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  to hear rhythm through the beats he produced. I'll say, like I've always
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  said, I remember back when I heard some of his beats, mostly like
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  with Slum Village, and I used to feel like it was offbeat, Like
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  what something about this beat is like off? Like like it's not in the
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  pocket. And later on, I, you know, I grew to new
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  this that he was basically changing how you hear music, you know, how
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  you were used to hearing music. And I'm not really gonna get into it,
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  but it's definitely in that daya time book where it's broken down the beat
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  like it was all it was. It's off. But if you understand in
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  the way in which he sampled and created some of these beats that sound off,
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  and you listen to it within the rhythm pattern that he designed with this
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  beat, then you can hear it. Then it's not off. And that's
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  magic, right, because when you take people who are used to hearing rhythm
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  in a certain way, and anything that's not that way is offbeat and not
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  good to most people. But you can tweak the way of listening and then
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  how they approach the music to create a new rhythm. Well, you're a
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  genius. There's a lot of people who produce and make great music and are
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  called geniuses, but this is a real genius. Anytime you can change the
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  way people hear music and you're not like a bona fide I'm not saying he's
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  not, but you're not known as a musician, and musicians emulate you as
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  a result. You're a genius and that's what Jay Diller is man. So
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  obviously you can do the knowledge and learn about him and learn about the music
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  he did produce that you do know. There's so many people who are wrapped
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  up with Diller beats, from common to buster rhoms to nas try call quest
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  to Ray Kwan like the Wu it's crazy and the man was a chameleon with
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  the beat making. He can make a beat that you like. Cut definitely
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  made that. No Dyla made that. He can make another beat. Rizza
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  definitely made that one. No Dila did that. It's just that he's not
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  necessarily a household name. It's like those who know know. But at some
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  point, if you call yourself a hip hop head and you like any of
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  the people from Pete Rock to bust A drums, anybody I named, and
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  you see them kind of paying amise to this dude and calling him like the
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  goat and genius and all that. It's not because he just passed away.
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  It's because the man was special. So happy birthday to Jay Dillar. Go
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  out and listen to some Dylan music today. That's gonna do it for me.
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  You can follow me on social media at Vegas World i NC, and
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  obviously this podcast is available in audio form, so you can listen on Apple
• 32:52
  Podcasts or Spotify or wherever the platform you enjoy it. But also you can
• 32:57
  watch the podcast right here on YouTube. I am headed in the direction of
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  five hundred followers. That is the goal, at least by the end of
• 33:07
  this year, five hundred subscribers on YouTube, and right now we're approaching three
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  ninety. We can get to four hundred easy, but I definitely need to
• 33:20
  get to five hundred. So what I asked you to do is if you
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  can't join the Patreon you're like, yeah, I ain't got it, fans,
• 33:25
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  wherever you hang out in the digital space, share it with people you know
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  enjoy this kind of content. Until next time, y'all. I'm not a
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  critic, I'm a fan. Peace,