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The Late Debate | 5 January · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, Welcome to the Weight to Blase.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 1: I'm Frey Leach, joined by Holly Hughes and Claire Rowe.
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Speaker 1: Coming up tonight. Pressure to call a Royal commission into
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Speaker 1: the Bonnai massacre is continuing to mount. Senior labour figures
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Speaker 1: are throwing their weight behind a royal commission and the
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Speaker 1: opposition is plotting how they may be able to force
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Speaker 1: one through Parliament when will Albanezi back down from his
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Speaker 1: untenable and out of touch position. Plus, there's one suburb
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Speaker 1: in Sydney where there's one ndis business for every thirteen residents.
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Speaker 1: Can you guess where it is? We'll reveal that soon.
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Speaker 1: And there's a new phenomenon in Australia called kidults. They're
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Speaker 1: technically adults but still behave like kids. Nearly half of
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Speaker 1: all Aussies in their early twenties are still living at home.
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Speaker 1: Is this a problem and what can be done about it?
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Speaker 1: But first, the US launched an unprecedented operation in Venezuela
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Speaker 1: last night, capturing socialist dictator Nicholas Maduro and his wife.
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Speaker 1: While Venezuelan's were flooding the streets rejoicing Western leftists, including
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Speaker 1: here in Australia launched nationwide rallies against the operation.
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Speaker 2: Now, Holly, I find this so ironic.
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Speaker 1: You've got the Venezuelan people themselves, who were flooding the
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Speaker 1: streets celebrating them finally they've been liberated from this dictator.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got lefties, including in our own country,
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Speaker 1: saying hands off Venezuela, this is US imperialism.
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Speaker 2: How delusional can they get?
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Speaker 3: Isn't it extraordinary that the professional protesters djure their little
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Speaker 3: topic has changed. They've moved on from globalizing the Intovada
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Speaker 3: to let's condemn the jailing of narco terrorist. I mean,
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Speaker 3: these guys haven't met a dictator and a regime that
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Speaker 3: punishes its people that it isn't prepared to support. And
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Speaker 3: we see it whether they're supporting Ghazans, and we know
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Speaker 3: how LGBT people are treated in Gaza. Yet somehow or other,
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Speaker 3: we have queers for Palestine. I mean, let's just wait
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Speaker 3: for the queens for Venezuela to come up. But I mean,
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Speaker 3: it is just extraordinary that the way that they have
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Speaker 3: just jumped on this anti Trump brigade for whatever it is.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it is extraordinary when you think of
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Speaker 3: the international law around it and how that's going to
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Speaker 3: be negotiated. But also the fact that there were arrest
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Speaker 3: warrants in the US under Narco terrorism for Madura and
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Speaker 3: they have what has been executed, and the Venezuelan population
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Speaker 3: would are rejoicing that this guy is gone, but they
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Speaker 3: couldn't do anything about it themselves.
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Speaker 2: And this is the irony right here.
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Speaker 1: Biden had a twenty five million dollar arrest warrant out
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Speaker 1: for Maduro, but no one ever did anything about it.
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Speaker 1: Trump got in and he said, well, if you play games,
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Speaker 1: you're going to find out exactly what happens to you.
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Speaker 1: And the other irony is you've got leftists who've spent
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Speaker 1: the last two years calling Trump a dictator, calling him
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Speaker 1: this authoritarian rigging elections, and now they're out marching for
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Speaker 1: someone who is literally a dictator, literally runs over protesters
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Speaker 1: in prisons, opposition leaders, suspends elections.
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Speaker 2: I just I'm starting to be genuinely.
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Speaker 1: Concerned at the mental gymnastics going on.
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Speaker 4: These are the lefties who have spent the best part
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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five holding up the no Kings protest signs.
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Speaker 5: So no kings unless you.
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Speaker 4: Are a complete dictator who you know, lets his country
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Speaker 4: staff of eighty percent of Venezuelan's live in poverty, kids
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Speaker 4: reading out of garbage cans. A third of the population
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Speaker 4: has had to flee the country. So unless you're that dictator,
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Speaker 4: we stand right right behind you, and already the hashtags
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Speaker 4: of ICE stand with Venezuela.
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Speaker 5: So you can turn to.
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Speaker 4: Your Venezuela next to you and say, no, I'd watch
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Speaker 4: rather your country be as it was before twenty four
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Speaker 4: hours prior when you were under this oppressor. Look, yeah,
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Speaker 4: it is an extraordinary foreign policy move. I don't think
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Speaker 4: I'm any illusion though, that Trump will do what suits
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Speaker 4: Trump and.
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Speaker 5: That there are strategic moves here for the US.
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Speaker 4: This is a country who holds the biggest oil supply
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Speaker 4: in the world, and he is now apparently, you know,
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Speaker 4: running Vendezuela for a while until we can find an
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Speaker 4: hipocratic leader. And look, that type of power has got
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Speaker 4: to be you know, it just comes in handy when
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Speaker 4: you're negotiating with people to end wars, like Putin sitting
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Speaker 4: around a table with China. That's quite a handy thing
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Speaker 4: to have up your sleeve. But at the end of
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Speaker 4: the day, you're right, the leftists are out there who
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Speaker 4: claim to care about human rights.
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Speaker 5: The hypocrisy, you could not even dream about it.
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Speaker 1: And it was interesting, Holly, because Trump and Senator Secretary
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio explicitly cited the Monroe Doctrine, which says that
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Speaker 1: in the Western hemisphere, that is the US's hemisphere, no
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Speaker 1: one else, not China, not Russia, not Iran, should have
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Speaker 1: a foothold. Now they were using Venezuela as a launching
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Speaker 1: ground to exploit the natural resources train their own people.
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Speaker 1: It's just interesting to see finally a president who's actually
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Speaker 1: willing to assert some authority.
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Speaker 6: And with the Donro doctor and it's now referred to.
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Speaker 3: But I'm glad you mentioned Biden because I think we've
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Speaker 3: got a copy of a tweet here that Joe Biden
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Speaker 3: put out in twenty twenty one that has not aged
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Speaker 3: particularly well, where he basically said that Trump was on
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Speaker 3: the side of Madeira and would never take action against him,
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Speaker 3: and that Biden himself was saying he stood with the Venezuelans.
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Speaker 3: So it's amazing how what Biden said in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: has now completely been relegated because this is Trump, and
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Speaker 3: you can see the anti Trump sentiment that continues to
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Speaker 3: come through here. I think what will be interesting as
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Speaker 3: we watch the international politics play out. You know, you've
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Speaker 3: got Cuba next on the agenda, You've got Greenland and
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Speaker 3: what Trump's saying about Greenland. I think looking at this, though,
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Speaker 3: you may have a very nervous Taiwan at what g
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Speaker 3: may then take this as a sign of action that
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Speaker 3: will be seen as potentially acceptable or already being precedented.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 3: But of course we see our completely weak and pathetic
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Speaker 3: prime minister come out with his own usual weak and
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Speaker 3: pathetic statement, I mean, after his complete lack of leadership.
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Speaker 6: When it comes to the bondaiprogrom.
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Speaker 3: You just, I mean seriously, just go away, mate, Like
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Speaker 3: you can't even get the politics right in Australia. Really
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Speaker 3: just keep your nose out of everywhere else because it's
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Speaker 3: just appalling. But what's I think interesting in what we'll
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Speaker 3: start to see the complexity roll out of this is
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Speaker 3: Venezuela has a very similar makeup when it comes to
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Speaker 3: mining and it comes to the minerals and the reserves
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Speaker 3: that are there, whether it's oil, whether it's iron, or
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Speaker 3: whether any of those resources are very similar to Australia.
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Speaker 3: And we have seen a lot of investment in our
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Speaker 3: country over the last half century because of the instability
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Speaker 3: in South America. Now, if Trump's able to go in
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Speaker 3: and make sure that you start to get a leader
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Speaker 3: in there and democracy back into the country and it
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Speaker 3: starts to run as a normal economy, not being run
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Speaker 3: by a dictator and not a nationalized resources sector, Australia
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Speaker 3: could be in for a world of pain because the
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Speaker 3: complexity of our own sector now, with the unions, with
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Speaker 3: the industrial relations, how much we've put red tape and
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Speaker 3: green tape around our resources sector, investment will potentially go offshore.
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Speaker 1: You're right, and Trump has said he wants to see
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Speaker 1: US mining giants go into Venezuela make billions of dollars,
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Speaker 1: and of course the lefties are freaking out in that,
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Speaker 1: but the reality is that's how you rebuild the country, yep,
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Speaker 1: because then from that tax revenue you can start building
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Speaker 1: infrastructure and really supporting the Venezuelan people. But it is
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Speaker 1: interesting you mentioned Greenland there, Holly. Now Greenland could be next.
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Speaker 5: Have a look, we.
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Speaker 7: Need Greenland from a national security situation. It's so strategic.
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Speaker 7: Right now Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships.
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Speaker 5: All over the place.
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Speaker 7: We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and
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Speaker 7: Denmark is not going to be able to do it.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you, well, there you go, Holly.
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Speaker 1: We thought this drama was reaching a fever pitch, but
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Speaker 1: there could be more to go if Trump moves into Greenland.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, this guy is just made for TV. He's just
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Speaker 3: a president made for TV. But look coming closer to home,
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Speaker 3: and this is a story that I just continually get
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Speaker 3: flabbergasted by.
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Speaker 6: The NDIS now in Australia, one.
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Speaker 3: Of those programs that we know is funded by many
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Speaker 3: of the taxes raised from our resources sector that now
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Speaker 3: could be in jeopardy. We now have a suburb in Sydney,
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Speaker 3: in lakember where you have one service provider in the
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Speaker 3: NDAs for every thirteen residence. I mean, this to me
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Speaker 3: is just unbelievably breathtaking. As someone who's been the shadow
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Speaker 3: Minister for the NDIS, who has a son on the NDAs,
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Speaker 3: who's had a lot to do with it since it
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Speaker 3: was rolled out. There are so many fundamental issues with it,
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Speaker 3: but the fact that it is being roughted like this
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Speaker 3: is undermining the true nature of the scheme. It's undermining
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Speaker 3: who the scheme was designed for. And I have been
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Speaker 3: saying this from when I was in Parliament to now
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Speaker 3: being out of parliament. It is time for someone to
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Speaker 3: put their big boy pants on or big girl pants
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Speaker 3: on and make fundamental changes to this system. And what
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Speaker 3: I think is interesting as well when I've been looking
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Speaker 3: into it, a number of these providers are registered providers.
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Speaker 3: And if you listen to the government or you listen
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Speaker 3: to criticisms around the NDAs the first catch cry, and
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Speaker 3: I'll say this, the first catch c people who'd like
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Speaker 3: to build numbers in HSU union membership is that all
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Speaker 3: or providers should be registered. Registration is not a silver
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Speaker 3: bullet to ensuring these people are not dodgy. And the
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Speaker 3: fact that people are registered with email at email dot
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Speaker 3: com and zero four zero four zero four zero four
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Speaker 3: zero four as their mobile number is proof that the
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Speaker 3: registration itself is a system that is flawed and this
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Speaker 3: is it's undermining it for the people that need it.
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Speaker 3: And I know Claire you would have very strong views
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Speaker 3: as well with your patients and how it works. And
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Speaker 3: if we don't have a government that's prepared to go
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Speaker 3: in and say enough is enough, get the kids off
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Speaker 3: it that don't need to be on it, get the
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Speaker 3: adults off it that don't need to be on it,
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Speaker 3: and really start to work out what are the requirements
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Speaker 3: to be on the scheme, but also what are the
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Speaker 3: service provisions that are covered by the scheme.
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Speaker 6: It's never going to be under control.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And this is because you and I know, Holly,
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Speaker 4: the policy design of this has allowed this to happen.
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Speaker 4: As soon as you offer government money, taxpayer money, your
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Speaker 4: money out on the table and don't control it, people
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Speaker 4: are sticking their hand in. And we talk about kind
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Speaker 4: of Obviously there are fudulent service providers out there with
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Speaker 4: email at email dot com. I mean these ridiculous at
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Speaker 4: least email least do it properly, right, But I wrote
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Speaker 4: a list today. These are some of the actually the
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Speaker 4: legitimate services that NDIS is paying.
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Speaker 5: For for people with disabilities.
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Speaker 4: Apparently crystal healing, energy healing, past life regression therapy. I'm
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Speaker 4: a psychologist, I have no idea what that is. Paul maintenance,
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Speaker 4: high end gym equipment, and holidays as respite.
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Speaker 5: This is what we are talking about. The costs are exploding.
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Speaker 4: It is on track to become bigger than our defense budget.
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Speaker 4: And you know, as a psychologist myself, I have spoken
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Speaker 4: out for years against this, and every single time I do,
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Speaker 4: and it will happen again tomorrow morning, I get complaints
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Speaker 4: to the health board against me. And who do you
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Speaker 4: think complains against me every time I criticize the NDI
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Speaker 4: dodgy providers, perhaps other psychologists and quite frankly, other psychologists
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Speaker 4: who actually are providing, you know, services, perhaps to children.
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Speaker 4: We're talking about seventy percent of new people getting on
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Speaker 4: the NDIS now.
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Speaker 5: Are our children, guys.
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Speaker 4: We have the most disabled population apparently of children in
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Speaker 4: the globe. And so the psychologists who come after me saying,
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Speaker 4: oh no, you can't criticize the NDIS have their complete
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Speaker 4: feat structure and you know, revenue raising based on NDIS fees.
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Speaker 1: It's just become a huge business model. And this is
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Speaker 1: the irony. The integrity chief of the NDAs, John Dado,
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Speaker 1: said that if all the scams being carried out by
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Speaker 1: providers were prosecuted, the justice system would be overwhelmed. So
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Speaker 1: I guess you know, we could actually think about this.
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Speaker 1: We're actually really just saving the justice system by not
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Speaker 1: investigating all these dodgy providers.
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Speaker 3: I mean here's the starting point. Family members can't be
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Speaker 3: paid by the NDIS to provide care to other family members.
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Speaker 3: There's a good starting point if you go to La Camber.
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Speaker 3: I think that's where you're going to undercover find a
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Speaker 3: lot of that sort of behaviors occurring. You know, I
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Speaker 3: know of people and stories of people being diagnosed with
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Speaker 3: autism in their forties, fifties and sixties who've had careers,
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Speaker 3: who've had families who own their house, have all of
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Speaker 3: their life under control. They might be a bit quirky,
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Speaker 3: they might be a bit odd bit socially awkward, but
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Speaker 3: you know what, they're not the lone ranger. And all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden they find themselves with a seventy thousand
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Speaker 3: NDIS support package to help them have their house claimed
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Speaker 3: and their laundry dropped off, and you know, their groceries,
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Speaker 3: shopping done for them, cooking done for them. This sort
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Speaker 3: of stuff is obscene. It's absolutely unnecessary. It is for
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Speaker 3: the kids and the adults with permanent, lifelong disabilities, and
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Speaker 3: they have to also have a significant and impairment and
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Speaker 3: the number of people you see on NDA schemes on
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Speaker 3: plans now, but providers providing these ridiculous services like going
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Speaker 3: to pick up a back at a SIGI or some
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Speaker 3: sex work.
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Speaker 2: Until last year, Well.
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Speaker 3: Look, you know, the sex works always an interesting one
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Speaker 3: for me because I used to say this to my
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Speaker 3: colleagues who used to go, you know, you can't have
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Speaker 3: any anything to do with sex in the NDAs, And
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Speaker 3: I said, that's great. Just imagine you go home tonight,
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Speaker 3: you're in a car accident and lose the ability to
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Speaker 3: have more. You know that you can't. You're not able
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Speaker 3: to move anymore. I don't want to say ability to
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Speaker 3: be able to have mobile but and required some assistance
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Speaker 3: in the bedroom department.
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Speaker 2: You want to pay a bus, it's so different.
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Speaker 3: If you want to you're someone who has a profound
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Speaker 3: intellectual disability who gets no human contact at any point
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Speaker 3: in time. Look, I think there's there's to consider around this.
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Speaker 6: So make me unpopular.
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Speaker 2: You get to pay for prostitutes with nobody I'm.
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Speaker 3: Not saying to prostitutes. And that's that's where it gets muddied.
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Speaker 3: And that's like saying you have a support worker that
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Speaker 3: helps you catch public transport to go to participating community events,
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Speaker 3: versus someone you have a support worker who goes to
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Speaker 3: get fags for you, I think that's there are differences there,
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Speaker 3: and I think you've got to be careful with the way,
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Speaker 3: you know, just because sex is sillacious and the number
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Speaker 3: of sex services that are their access are very very
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Speaker 3: very very small, and you know, but I think that
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Speaker 3: it is being roarted, not for those sorts of things.
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Speaker 3: It's being ordered for support workers to do rubbish activities
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Speaker 3: for people that don't have profound disabilities. And we don't
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Speaker 3: want to target people with significant and profound disabilities.
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Speaker 6: It's the ones.
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Speaker 3: Who this is and how are they getting the diagnosis
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Speaker 3: in the first place.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's a lot of that.
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Speaker 4: That whole process needs to be looked at it And
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Speaker 4: as you said, we need a brave government who's going
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Speaker 4: to do it and not chase votes. Which government is
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Speaker 4: going to stand up and say we're cutting funding to
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Speaker 4: the disabled. I mean, that's going to be a brave
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Speaker 4: government and I don't see one on the horizon. So
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Speaker 4: moving on from kids, another really concerning aspect here. The
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Speaker 4: federal government review of child safety laws has identified some
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Speaker 4: significant loopholes that could leave gaps in protections against sexual
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Speaker 4: abuse and exploitation.
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Speaker 5: And of course this comes off the back of.
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Speaker 4: We had all that awful news through twenty twenty five
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Speaker 4: in childcares with the accused pedophile Joshua Brown, who was
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Speaker 4: in Victoria. He worked across twenty four centers across Melbourne
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Speaker 4: over a period of eight years. So some of these
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Speaker 4: loopholes that this report has uncovered include inconsistent state and
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Speaker 4: territory laws that don't fully align with national safety standards,
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Speaker 4: and loopholes that allow people with concerning behavior basically to
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Speaker 4: slip through these.
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Speaker 5: Criminal screening checks.
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Speaker 4: Now, I run a business in the psychology sector working
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Speaker 4: with children. If I employ someone, they have to come
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Speaker 4: to me with what's called most people would have heard
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Speaker 4: are working with children's check.
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Speaker 5: But the more I look into us and.
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Speaker 4: Read these reports, I absolutely think this is a box
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Speaker 4: ticking exercise. I mean, they give me the number and
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Speaker 4: I punch it in somewhere and I store it somewhere.
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Speaker 5: But I really have.
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Speaker 4: No idea to know whether that person has been cleared,
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Speaker 4: whether there is a history with them, And these reports
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Speaker 4: are showing that there is so many cases where people
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Speaker 4: have actually had a criminal history and have just been approved.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you have to turn up and pay something
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Speaker 4: like there's nominal fee about one hundred dollars to service
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Speaker 4: New South Wales. That's that's obviously the New South Wales.
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Speaker 4: And they run a criminal history and they give you
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Speaker 4: a number. You're fine to work with kids. But of
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Speaker 4: course the other alarming thing is there is no coordination.
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Speaker 4: And you know, this day and age in digital connectivity
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Speaker 4: in the private sector, surprise, surprise, we've got court systems,
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Speaker 4: we've got government, we've got the Education Department, we've got
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Speaker 4: child to protection.
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Speaker 5: Do you think that they talk at all to each other?
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Speaker 3: Don't how far crazy?
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Speaker 5: Talk?
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Speaker 6: Sensible person balance?
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Speaker 4: I mean, how high is that to just have a
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Speaker 4: database where we collate data and information and someone's name
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Speaker 4: is put in and we can see if there are
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Speaker 4: any red.
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Speaker 6: Process is going to check today?
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Speaker 3: If I still had a working with Children check because
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Speaker 3: I was on a preschool committee and to be on
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Speaker 3: the committee you had to have a working with Children check,
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Speaker 3: and so I did that fifteen years ago. And I
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Speaker 3: have absolutely no idea if it's still current and there's
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Speaker 3: certainly been no follow up checks or email to remind
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Speaker 3: me to update it, and if none of these systems
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Speaker 3: are talking to each other, what is the renewal process?
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Speaker 3: What is the check process so that you know you
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Speaker 3: may get one. But if something happens within a two
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Speaker 3: you time frame, is there any check that then comes
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Speaker 3: into place.
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Speaker 1: And the problem is at the moment that if you
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Speaker 1: get convicted for something in one state, well you can
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Speaker 1: simply just move to another state and your chances of
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Speaker 1: getting caught or found out without a national register are
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Speaker 1: pretty low. You know, as you say, Claire, most childcare centers,
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Speaker 1: most organizations, they are they're busy, they're inundated with paperwork
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Speaker 1: and compliance. Things do slip through the cracks, and this
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Speaker 1: is simply not good enough. It also comes at a
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Speaker 1: time where today the three day of universal child care
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Speaker 1: is being rolled out, so every child in the country
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Speaker 1: will apparently have access to three days of institutional.
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Speaker 5: Care, institutional.
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Speaker 6: Indoctrination.
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Speaker 1: It is highly socialist and I think when you do
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Speaker 1: see these instances of just horrendous child abuse. Of course
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Speaker 1: this is not the case in all childcare centers, but
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Speaker 1: it does underscore the fact that no one will look
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Speaker 1: after your child better than their primary care is their parents,
19:48
Speaker 1: their family, and the fact that we don't even give
19:50
Speaker 1: families the option to raise their own kids. We just say,
19:54
Speaker 1: now we're just going to subsidize you to go into
19:56
Speaker 1: institutional care.
19:57
Speaker 2: I think we're letting families down.
19:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there are calls that perhaps we should
20:01
Speaker 4: have something so transparent that parents themselves can go to
20:06
Speaker 4: some type of online platform pop in the name of
20:09
Speaker 4: their child's teacher and you know, seeing green tick come up.
20:12
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not opposed to that. People can do
20:14
Speaker 4: that for me as a health practitioner. They can go
20:17
Speaker 4: and put my name in, they can see if there's
20:18
Speaker 4: any red marks against my name on a.
20:21
Speaker 5: Health regulatory body aspect. So I don't see why that
20:24
Speaker 5: should be any different for a child.
20:26
Speaker 1: Care worker, so to interrupt, but even for babysitters. If
20:29
Speaker 1: your kid is going to a playdate at a friend's house,
20:32
Speaker 1: I want to know the family members that are going
20:34
Speaker 1: to be in the house.
20:35
Speaker 2: Do any of them have records? I know that might
20:37
Speaker 2: be a bit yeah, but.
20:39
Speaker 3: Then we start coming there's a little bit of a
20:41
Speaker 3: rabbit hole there.
20:41
Speaker 6: But you know, it is important.
20:43
Speaker 3: There should be a national register, and there should be
20:44
Speaker 3: a national register anddis workers for healthcare workers, for child's workers,
20:48
Speaker 3: for teachers.
20:49
Speaker 6: All of those things.
20:50
Speaker 3: And it doesn't need to be complex, It doesn't need
20:52
Speaker 3: to be particularly onerous and it doesn't need to have
20:55
Speaker 3: all the sort of personal details there. But if there
20:57
Speaker 3: has been red flags raysed, they should be and that.
21:00
Speaker 1: Whatever we're doing at the moment is deficient working. But
21:03
Speaker 1: let's move on now and talk about universities. They never
21:06
Speaker 1: fail to amaze us with the amount of garbage that
21:09
Speaker 1: they produce and push onto students. But this time A
21:13
Speaker 1: and U is in the headlines once again. They've received
21:16
Speaker 1: a one point five million dollar grant from ARC, the
21:21
Speaker 1: Australian Research Council, to conduct a four year study into
21:26
Speaker 1: changing the date of Australia Day, the failed Voice to
21:29
Speaker 1: Parliament referendum, and all of this has the aim of
21:33
Speaker 1: advancing reconciliation and promoting.
21:37
Speaker 2: Truth telling HMM.
21:39
Speaker 1: The studies blurb says, polarizing debates are threatening Australia's unity,
21:47
Speaker 1: driven largely by the politics of division and lack of
21:50
Speaker 1: cultural inclusivity for Indigenous Australians. A complete foundational story of
21:55
Speaker 1: a shared future is a critical issue, requiring urgent tension.
22:01
Speaker 1: The project examines the origins and perpetuation of shared public
22:05
Speaker 1: experiences and divisive narratives in media, analyzing quantitative data to
22:11
Speaker 1: capture the views of Australians from a wide range of backgrounds.
22:16
Speaker 1: So they call out the politics of division here that
22:20
Speaker 1: is behind the failed Voice referendum and the desire.
22:23
Speaker 2: Not to change the date.
22:25
Speaker 1: But I don't think there is anyone more divisive and
22:28
Speaker 1: polarizing than the activist class that push these institutions, these bodies,
22:35
Speaker 1: these programs that divide us.
22:37
Speaker 3: I raise. I'm just so pleased for all these people
22:41
Speaker 3: that they'll have time to get their kefirs dry clean
22:43
Speaker 3: when they have their Indigenous flags out as they protest
22:47
Speaker 3: Australia Day in the next couple of weeks. Because these
22:50
Speaker 3: are the professional protesters. This is everything against our values,
22:53
Speaker 3: everything against our way of life. It doesn't matter what
22:57
Speaker 3: the Western world is doing. These people are that they
23:00
Speaker 3: object to it. It wouldn't matter what happened. I think
23:03
Speaker 3: they are so anti Australia, so anti our values, so
23:07
Speaker 3: anti our history. No one is trying to remove the
23:10
Speaker 3: Indigenous part of our history at all.
23:11
Speaker 6: That is not what the Voice was about.
23:13
Speaker 3: It was about equality for all Australians, not separate races,
23:17
Speaker 3: having separate opportunities and separate voices. And these people, there
23:22
Speaker 3: is nothing they won't stop at tearing down and it
23:24
Speaker 3: wouldn't matter if the date of Australia Day change, they'd
23:27
Speaker 3: still have something to winge about. I'm sure there's a
23:30
Speaker 3: statue out there they're looking for at the moment that
23:32
Speaker 3: they can deface and protest around, and you know, just
23:36
Speaker 3: everyone should just ignore them and hopefully they will go away.
23:39
Speaker 4: But they're getting the money, I mean, good luck to them.
23:41
Speaker 4: This is four years one point five million dollars. How
23:44
Speaker 4: do I get this job? Where is the response earlier?
23:47
Speaker 3: Samite at Macquarie UNI get your grants reinstated as well?
23:51
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, the responsibility lies on who has approved
23:56
Speaker 4: that to give them that, I mean four years to
23:58
Speaker 4: discover where there are earlier date is you know, divisive?
24:02
Speaker 4: I'll tell them it is fairly divisive.
24:04
Speaker 5: Though.
24:05
Speaker 4: I know that the IPA researchers is showing at the
24:07
Speaker 4: moment that there is a huge uptake in the last
24:10
Speaker 4: few years of Australian supporting it. On January twenty sixth,
24:14
Speaker 4: so they go, I've saved you four years and one
24:16
Speaker 4: point five million dollars. Can universities just get back to
24:20
Speaker 4: churning out some really good research and knowledge, like solve
24:24
Speaker 4: cancer or something. Give us some good you know, research
24:28
Speaker 4: that we need in our lives.
24:30
Speaker 3: And of course you know, we're still looking at what's
24:33
Speaker 3: happened at Bondai a couple of weeks ago and how
24:36
Speaker 3: it has ever been allowed to occur in this country
24:38
Speaker 3: and what happened behind it. And we now know that
24:41
Speaker 3: the two gunmen were training exercises out in a farm
24:45
Speaker 3: in the southern table lounds, New South Wales. And it's
24:49
Speaker 3: absolutely extraordinary to think that these alleged gunmans I should
24:53
Speaker 3: say that we're training on these grounds and you know
24:57
Speaker 3: they it's just extraordinary that these farming communities have been
25:02
Speaker 3: impacted by these groups going down and using them as
25:06
Speaker 3: training grounds. There's one thing about going for hunting, and
25:10
Speaker 3: hunting I know is incredibly popular and if you go
25:12
Speaker 3: pigging you actually use a knife. And I think what
25:15
Speaker 3: we do know is that when Chris Minns brought in
25:17
Speaker 3: the new gun laws, he also talked about belt fed shotguns.
25:21
Speaker 3: They don't exist. So there have been laws that have
25:24
Speaker 3: been raced through, but we do need to make sure
25:26
Speaker 3: that we get some of these policy settings, rights and
25:28
Speaker 3: legislation right because these gunmen were training in the southern
25:32
Speaker 3: tablelands of New South Wales alleged gunmen, and if you
25:34
Speaker 3: see the video which so many of us had, they
25:37
Speaker 3: had totally taken up stances that had shown they'd had
25:42
Speaker 3: excessive training before they allegedly undertook that action. But we
25:47
Speaker 3: are still waiting for the Prime Minister to come to
25:50
Speaker 3: terms with the fact that this country is demanding a
25:53
Speaker 3: royal commission into what occurred. We are hopeful that the
25:56
Speaker 3: Federal Parliament will be recalled within the next two weeks
25:59
Speaker 3: so that legislation can be reviewed when it comes to
26:02
Speaker 3: hate speech and other forms of actions that need to
26:04
Speaker 3: be taken in a legislative framework, and the Coalition is
26:07
Speaker 3: looking to maybe use parliamentary numbers to force a Royal
26:12
Speaker 3: commission on this government. Now we know that will be
26:14
Speaker 3: incredibly difficult because the government has such a huge majority
26:17
Speaker 3: in the House of Representatives. But literally it is just
26:19
Speaker 3: Labor and the Greens who are now opposing a royal commission,
26:23
Speaker 3: and it's not all.
26:24
Speaker 5: Of Labor, there are plenty of well.
26:26
Speaker 3: It will be worrying to see what Labour Right does
26:29
Speaker 3: because there's a number of them who've always been very,
26:32
Speaker 3: very strong when it comes to their support for Israel.
26:35
Speaker 3: Senator Debo O'Neil has always been very strong and she
26:37
Speaker 3: has been the co chair of the Parliamentary Friends of
26:40
Speaker 3: Israel for a very long time. The Speaker, Milton Dick
26:44
Speaker 3: is very strong on his support for Israel, as well
26:46
Speaker 3: as Don Farrell and many other members of the Labor right.
26:49
Speaker 3: How are they going to turn up in the Parliament
26:51
Speaker 3: and vote against these We've already had Mike Freeland to
26:54
Speaker 3: come out and support We've had Ed Husick, one of
26:57
Speaker 3: the few Muslim members, come out in support of it.
27:00
Speaker 3: But the obstacas and the way that their caucus Labor work,
27:03
Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to take a really brave lot
27:05
Speaker 3: of them to stand up and go no.
27:07
Speaker 1: We have seen today an open letter from a number
27:10
Speaker 1: of former Labor MPs and federal ministers throwing their support
27:15
Speaker 1: behind a royal commission, but Albanezi just seems to be
27:17
Speaker 1: doubling down at the moment. I think the one option
27:20
Speaker 1: the Coalition has. Of course, it's only the government that
27:23
Speaker 1: can recommend to the Governor General to hold a royal commission.
27:27
Speaker 1: But what the Coalition could do is launch a whole
27:31
Speaker 1: series of parliamentary inquiries with Royal commission like powers. That's
27:35
Speaker 1: what Labor did back in twenty seventeen. They can still
27:38
Speaker 1: be blocked in that.
27:39
Speaker 6: They can be blocked in the Senate and that's the problem.
27:41
Speaker 3: The Labor and the Greens have the numbers to block
27:44
Speaker 3: everything in the Senate and so it's really going to
27:47
Speaker 3: be putting the pressure on them to vote against a
27:49
Speaker 3: Royal commission for the Labor members to have to come
27:51
Speaker 3: out and vote against that. But also you know that
27:55
Speaker 3: it'll it'll just they're going to block it. Yeah, if
27:59
Speaker 3: they've got the grains on board.
28:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's going to be very interesting to see
28:03
Speaker 1: how alban Eezy gets out of this one. I think
28:05
Speaker 1: he's just digging himself into a deeper hole every single day.
28:08
Speaker 1: But we're going to go to a break now and
28:10
Speaker 1: coming up after the break, kiddults, that is the new
28:13
Speaker 1: term for fifty percent of young Australians who are still
28:17
Speaker 1: living at home with their parents.
28:19
Speaker 2: What do you think of them?
28:21
Speaker 1: We'll tell you our thoughts after the break. Welcome back
28:27
Speaker 1: to the program. Well, one of the things AI is
28:31
Speaker 1: being used for is to create artificial images. Now, this
28:35
Speaker 1: has a lot of interesting and useful applications. I wouldn't
28:38
Speaker 1: want to be a graphic designer anymore, but One of
28:40
Speaker 1: the more harmful ways it's being used is to create nude.
28:44
Speaker 2: Images of women.
28:46
Speaker 1: A Brazilian musician has spoken out about her experience. She
28:51
Speaker 1: posted a photo of herself in a red dress on
28:54
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, and then people in the comments on
28:57
Speaker 1: her ex account, using the AI chatbots that's the one
29:01
Speaker 1: created by Elon Musk, asked Groc to edit the image
29:06
Speaker 1: to remove her clothes and post nude photos of her,
29:10
Speaker 1: and of course she did not want that. She asked
29:12
Speaker 1: the chatbot, can you stop this? But there was nothing
29:15
Speaker 1: she can do about it.
29:16
Speaker 5: And look, I just I'm not.
29:18
Speaker 6: Quite sure she understands the purpose of x either.
29:20
Speaker 3: Because I don't think it's It's not like Instagram where
29:22
Speaker 3: you're supposed to share photos of yourself doing fun things.
29:25
Speaker 3: So that in itself is interesting. But it does show
29:28
Speaker 3: that it doesn't matter what evolution we have, what technology
29:31
Speaker 3: we have. However, you know, life moves forward. The Internet
29:35
Speaker 3: gets created, so pawn goes online. You know, it doesn't
29:38
Speaker 3: matter what developments we get in society. One of the
29:42
Speaker 3: first things that will be used inappropriately for is to
29:45
Speaker 3: generate naked images of women. And it's just but that
29:48
Speaker 3: they can put things in the algorithms that stop things happening.
29:52
Speaker 3: And you know, I was looking at some of the
29:54
Speaker 3: news around this and Elon Musk putting up photos of
29:57
Speaker 3: himself in bikinis to kind of mock the point of it,
30:01
Speaker 3: and apparently Grok does at some point stop so it
30:04
Speaker 3: can be asked to put people in miniskull bikinis, and
30:08
Speaker 3: then if they ask them to make them transparent, miniscule bikinis,
30:13
Speaker 3: it will actually sort of not generate that image. But
30:16
Speaker 3: I think we do need to do better. It's about
30:18
Speaker 3: the deep fakes, and it's how it's going to be
30:20
Speaker 3: used and weaponized against people. I think particularly high profile
30:24
Speaker 3: women will find themselves the subject to these things, and
30:27
Speaker 3: probably some high profile men as well, but we know
30:30
Speaker 3: it always starts with the women.
30:31
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it goes beyond inappropriateness because the
30:35
Speaker 4: dangerous the danger here is sexual exploitation and of minors.
30:39
Speaker 4: I mean, and that makes me think even as a parent,
30:42
Speaker 4: I mean, I do put photos of my children up
30:45
Speaker 4: on private accounts. I'll have a private kind of Instagram account,
30:48
Speaker 4: but they're still put up there, They're still out on
30:51
Speaker 4: the net somewhere, and so if you can get any
30:54
Speaker 4: image of a child and ask AI to undress it.
30:57
Speaker 5: Will there you go. You know, it's sexual ex flotation
31:00
Speaker 5: of child material. And I think you know.
31:03
Speaker 4: Musk's approach of yes, fewer guardrails and his approach to
31:07
Speaker 4: maximum permissiveness may suit some ideology, but at the end
31:11
Speaker 4: of the day, it will become illegal.
31:14
Speaker 5: And I've ranted about AI before. This is where it
31:17
Speaker 5: is going.
31:18
Speaker 4: It will be the demise. Don't worry about climate change.
31:20
Speaker 4: This will be the demise of human civilization. This is
31:24
Speaker 4: really scary stuff.
31:25
Speaker 1: Well, we're already hearing about examples in Australian classrooms where
31:30
Speaker 1: students are making deep fakes of their teachers and then
31:33
Speaker 1: circulating that. And the problem is, if you're in that
31:36
Speaker 1: situation and there is this material of you floating around,
31:40
Speaker 1: it almost doesn't matter if it's fake or not, because
31:44
Speaker 1: it feels real. It is real real, yes, and they
31:51
Speaker 1: are It is a form of abuse. And so I
31:55
Speaker 1: understand the tension here of we do want to be
31:58
Speaker 1: competitive with AI, we don't want to overburn in technology,
32:03
Speaker 1: but at the same time, exploitation is exploitation.
32:06
Speaker 6: Where is the E Safety Commissioner on all of this.
32:08
Speaker 3: I mean, she's remarkably silent on the things that matter,
32:12
Speaker 3: but has lots of views about things she should keep
32:14
Speaker 3: her nose out of. And I do wonder whether she
32:16
Speaker 3: will have anything to say though, as we see the
32:19
Speaker 3: introduction of more robots into the home, and I found
32:22
Speaker 3: this article extraordinary about robots being sold that go into
32:27
Speaker 3: people's homes and the very early adopters, as they're being
32:30
Speaker 3: referred to the robot butler, they're actually more like a
32:35
Speaker 3: marionette if you think about it, because someone is actually
32:39
Speaker 3: sitting behind in a sort of a virtual reality kind
32:42
Speaker 3: of world and making the movements of the robot at
32:46
Speaker 3: the moment. But part of the exercise is for these
32:49
Speaker 3: robots and for these companies to gather as much data
32:53
Speaker 3: as possible as how to do everyday activities, so that
32:57
Speaker 3: as they continue to develop these robots, they'll be able
33:00
Speaker 3: to do things like fold laundry and vacuum the floor
33:03
Speaker 3: and do all of these everyday chores that we don't
33:06
Speaker 3: want to do. I'm just not quite sure I want
33:09
Speaker 3: someone sitting in China with virtual reality looking at everything
33:13
Speaker 3: that goes on all day every day in my house.
33:16
Speaker 3: It just seems a little bit creepy.
33:18
Speaker 5: What could go wrong?
33:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the idea of like if it didn't have
33:24
Speaker 4: the person behind it, I'm quite you know, I am
33:28
Speaker 4: not the Martha Steward of homemaking here.
33:31
Speaker 6: I thought, shock, horror, shock.
33:34
Speaker 5: I thought that would be quite appealing.
33:35
Speaker 4: I would totally judge how I stack the dishwasher, so
33:39
Speaker 4: someone else would have to teach the robot how to
33:41
Speaker 4: do that. But the other thing I thought though too,
33:43
Speaker 4: And I think this is the way the world is going.
33:45
Speaker 4: I mean, they're selling I think tens of thousands of
33:47
Speaker 4: units of this, so someone is happy for someone in
33:50
Speaker 4: China to be looking inside their home. But even still,
33:53
Speaker 4: even if we progress the point where robots are doing chores, one,
33:57
Speaker 4: isn't that what we have children for?
34:01
Speaker 5: In all seriousness? Actually, there's a lot of things I ask.
34:05
Speaker 4: My children to do, like stack the dishwasher, where I
34:07
Speaker 4: think it would be quicker, more efficient.
34:09
Speaker 5: If I just did it myself.
34:11
Speaker 3: Oh, you're my husband nature, you know, he is such
34:14
Speaker 3: a perfectionist.
34:15
Speaker 6: You won't let anyone else do anything.
34:17
Speaker 3: And Richard, that's why your shoulders playing up if you're
34:19
Speaker 3: watching at home, but I'm looking.
34:20
Speaker 4: I asked them to do it because it actually chores.
34:23
Speaker 4: Teach them a lot more, they teach them about becoming
34:25
Speaker 4: part of the family and cooperation and responsibility and how
34:29
Speaker 4: to actually just grow up and be an adult.
34:32
Speaker 5: And so if the robot's doing it all for us.
34:35
Speaker 4: Here we are again, this is just the start of
34:37
Speaker 4: us in some black mirror episode, in a little kind
34:41
Speaker 4: of screen box, staring into a black electronic screen, not
34:45
Speaker 4: doing anything that you. We're asking the robots to do
34:48
Speaker 4: things like can you take my cup of tea back
34:50
Speaker 4: to the kitchen for me?
34:52
Speaker 5: Come on?
34:52
Speaker 1: Well, see, you say that's why we have children, but
34:56
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't. And this is the crisis
34:58
Speaker 1: facing a lot of Asian In countries countries like South Korea,
35:02
Speaker 1: where the birth rates as low as zero point aids
35:04
Speaker 1: children per women, you're going to have a lot of
35:07
Speaker 1: older people with no one to look after them. And
35:11
Speaker 1: here in the Western world, in countries like Australia, where
35:13
Speaker 1: we've got an infinite supply of people who want to immigrate.
35:16
Speaker 2: Here we won't.
35:17
Speaker 1: Feel the effects of that collapsing birth rate for a while,
35:21
Speaker 1: but in other countries they will feel it. There simply
35:24
Speaker 1: won't be anyone to look after these aging populations. And
35:29
Speaker 1: it's very sad. It's so dystopian. You're right, this here's
35:32
Speaker 1: an episode of Black Mirror. But this is what happens
35:35
Speaker 1: when a population stops having enough children to replace themselves.
35:40
Speaker 3: And the robots are potentially going to go into the
35:42
Speaker 3: care economy, which would be a good thing. And you
35:44
Speaker 3: think about all of the things we talk about where
35:47
Speaker 3: there's lack of care, neglect, all those sorts of things,
35:50
Speaker 3: and you can.
35:50
Speaker 6: Pretty much avoid that if you've got the robots doing it.
35:53
Speaker 5: That's it.
35:54
Speaker 4: So if we're not teaching our children, as I said,
35:56
Speaker 4: how to do chores, this is also just contributing to
35:59
Speaker 4: the phenomenon. There was an article out today that said
36:03
Speaker 4: that half of young Australians, fifty percent of them are
36:06
Speaker 4: still living at home and that we are raising a
36:09
Speaker 4: generation now of what is termed kidults, and a kidolt
36:13
Speaker 4: apparently is a unique human species known for its limitation
36:17
Speaker 4: in domestic situations. We know a few of those, and
36:20
Speaker 4: its prime habitat is the family nest, which it will
36:24
Speaker 4: not vacate until it is at least thirty thirty years old. Guys, Yeah,
36:31
Speaker 4: so that look, I absolutely think that this is happening.
36:34
Speaker 4: I think you know, more than fifty percent actually of
36:36
Speaker 4: people kind of probably in their early twenties to mid twenties.
36:39
Speaker 4: In this generation, it's probably more typical that they live
36:43
Speaker 4: at home, I think, beyond the living circumstances, because of course, yes,
36:48
Speaker 4: cost of living and cost.
36:49
Speaker 5: Of moving out is in there.
36:51
Speaker 4: But more disturbing than that is the inability for some
36:55
Speaker 4: say twenty two year olds to be able to cook
36:58
Speaker 4: a meal, to be to do some ironing, to be
37:02
Speaker 4: able to do basic chores like that. And I would say,
37:05
Speaker 4: I mean, I work with families all the time. Is
37:08
Speaker 4: that starts when kids are really really young, right, And
37:11
Speaker 4: so I get all those frustrated parents who come to
37:13
Speaker 4: me and the kid is certainly sixteen years old and
37:16
Speaker 4: they're hopeless.
37:17
Speaker 5: They don't know how to make a peanut butter sandwich.
37:19
Speaker 3: But that's why you want to let them out load? Yes,
37:21
Speaker 3: have you ever let why? You've got to let them
37:23
Speaker 3: do the things, even if they do it wrong, correct.
37:26
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'm sure there's plenty of things I've
37:27
Speaker 3: done wrong in parenting, but the one thing that I
37:29
Speaker 3: have done is bit my tongue and got them to
37:32
Speaker 3: do dishwashes and all those sorts of things, put laundry
37:35
Speaker 3: on all the sorts of things that, yeah, they muck
37:38
Speaker 3: it up and they put your good silk shirt in
37:40
Speaker 3: with the towels or whatever it might be, and all
37:42
Speaker 3: the plates and everything goes in the wrong place. But
37:45
Speaker 3: they do learn that, and you do have to be
37:47
Speaker 3: prepared to let them make the mistakes. Doesn't mean you
37:50
Speaker 3: don't lose it, whether internally or externally, but you know.
37:53
Speaker 6: You do have to let them do it.
37:56
Speaker 3: But it is extraordinary, and I think what we have
37:58
Speaker 3: to keep in mind, we've got to generate of kids
38:00
Speaker 3: now who never went through the same year twelve we
38:03
Speaker 3: probably went through, who never went through the same university
38:07
Speaker 3: because they were coming out of that age group going
38:09
Speaker 3: through COVID, And so we're going through a period of
38:12
Speaker 3: isolation where a lot of us, you know, we're in
38:15
Speaker 3: our younger days, got to go out make our mistakes,
38:18
Speaker 3: you know, get our work experience started, or be in
38:22
Speaker 3: a university face to face, or finish the school year
38:25
Speaker 3: with the formal and all the traditional things that we did.
38:28
Speaker 3: There are a series of you know, a number of
38:30
Speaker 3: years out there who didn't get to do those experiences,
38:33
Speaker 3: and I think there might be a little bit of
38:35
Speaker 3: a stunting of the maturity kicking in. But that said,
38:39
Speaker 3: who really wants to be living at home with their
38:41
Speaker 3: parents at twenty five?
38:42
Speaker 1: And I but another big factor here to defend the
38:47
Speaker 1: young people.
38:47
Speaker 2: Out there is that it's so done expensive.
38:52
Speaker 1: If you want young people to move out, then make
38:55
Speaker 1: housing more affordable.
38:56
Speaker 2: That is the biggest barrier.
38:59
Speaker 1: And when you're in your twenties, you are on your
39:01
Speaker 1: face with this situation where either I could move out
39:04
Speaker 1: and pay rent for ten years, which is just burning cash,
39:08
Speaker 1: or I could live at home with my parents until
39:10
Speaker 1: my mid to late twenties till I have a stable job,
39:13
Speaker 1: I'm earning a good income, and then I could buy
39:15
Speaker 1: a house.
39:16
Speaker 2: And in our economy where.
39:17
Speaker 1: Basically owning a home is the pathway to what we
39:20
Speaker 1: perceive as financial success, that's what more and more people
39:24
Speaker 1: are opting for.
39:25
Speaker 5: I see them all look at I will say no.
39:28
Speaker 5: The only time I will say isn't that is true?
39:31
Speaker 4: That is true, one hundred percent, except that, however, they
39:34
Speaker 4: also want to have a new outfit for Friday night
39:36
Speaker 4: cocktails and the late sciphie.
39:38
Speaker 5: And there is no sense of suckri.
39:41
Speaker 3: You Freyer may be a very sensible younger person, I'm
39:44
Speaker 3: not sure all of these kid olts living at home
39:47
Speaker 3: are doing so with the substantial amounts of their earnings
39:50
Speaker 3: going to savings account for their housing deposit.
39:52
Speaker 6: I think it.
39:53
Speaker 3: Might maybe look, you know, call me city call, but
39:57
Speaker 3: I think there might be say out behind the cocktail.
39:59
Speaker 2: Well, that's the key.
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Speaker 1: If you're going to let your child live at home
40:04
Speaker 1: into their twenties, then you need to make sure they're
40:06
Speaker 1: actually being responsible. So do make them pay rent, Do
40:10
Speaker 1: set expectations around chores, cooking, cleaning, don't just let it
40:14
Speaker 1: become a hotel.
40:16
Speaker 2: Live their lives.
40:17
Speaker 6: I can't wait for you to have children, and I'm
40:19
Speaker 6: going to okay with you. How's that got.
40:22
Speaker 1: I'm just giving some free and vine from someone who's
40:26
Speaker 1: watched all their friends go through this. If you don't
40:30
Speaker 1: want kiddlts, don't treat them like kids. But let's move
40:34
Speaker 1: on and sticking with that home theme, there is this
40:38
Speaker 1: common trend I think with modern technology where we feel
40:42
Speaker 1: like everything breaks every couple years. You know, when you
40:46
Speaker 1: go to your grandma's house and she still has that
40:48
Speaker 1: fridge from the nineteen seventies that's still working, or her
40:51
Speaker 1: radio from the sixties, and somehow these pieces of technology
40:56
Speaker 1: these appliances are still going well nowadays. Good luck with that,
41:01
Speaker 1: and it's actually part of well. There is debate around this,
41:04
Speaker 1: but some are claiming it is part of a planned
41:08
Speaker 1: obsolescence and it's the idea that technology and appliance companies
41:13
Speaker 1: intentionally make things of lower quality, so you have to
41:18
Speaker 1: purchase them again, continuing to give them business and drive
41:23
Speaker 1: their profits. Now, Claire, when I think about things in
41:25
Speaker 1: my home, they honestly they last maybe a couple of years.
41:29
Speaker 2: I go to my grandma's house.
41:31
Speaker 1: She has things from the seventies still working fine, what's
41:35
Speaker 1: going on there?
41:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is really interesting. I actually watched a doco
41:39
Speaker 4: on this a couple of nights ago about waste in general,
41:42
Speaker 4: and particularly it was about fast fashion and just the
41:46
Speaker 4: like hideous scenes of landfill. And again I think that
41:49
Speaker 4: that's far more of an environmental issue actually, in terms
41:53
Speaker 4: of this consumerius nature and companies like Amazon that are
41:57
Speaker 4: just training us to buy buy by it. If it
42:00
Speaker 4: doesn't work, chuck it. And there was also it wasn't
42:03
Speaker 4: just about the quality.
42:04
Speaker 5: I think that there was a.
42:05
Speaker 4: Different generational mindset where people fix socks.
42:09
Speaker 5: You know, if you had a hole in yourself, who
42:10
Speaker 5: fixes that these days.
42:11
Speaker 4: You chuck them right, And you know, my grandmother would
42:14
Speaker 4: would buy a dress and that was her going out dress.
42:17
Speaker 5: That she would keep. But of course it is quality
42:20
Speaker 5: as well.
42:20
Speaker 4: And Australia used to manufacture a lot more than it
42:24
Speaker 4: does now. It had a great car manufacturing industry. We
42:28
Speaker 4: used to make washing machines here in Australia And of
42:32
Speaker 4: course what quality are you controlled? Do you think is
42:34
Speaker 4: going to be better here homegrown in ours the industries
42:38
Speaker 4: or overseas?
42:40
Speaker 5: But absolutely I believe.
42:41
Speaker 4: That you know that it is a business model that
42:44
Speaker 4: dictates that your iPhone suddenly overnight runs slow after two
42:48
Speaker 4: years of having it, and suddenly what the glossy new
42:51
Speaker 4: fast one, And that's how they get you to keep purchasing.
42:54
Speaker 3: Well, I think labor laws and energy prices have made
42:57
Speaker 3: sure that there won't be any washing machines being made
43:00
Speaker 3: this country any time soon. But I do have a
43:03
Speaker 3: girlfriend of mine who used to joke that the fridge
43:05
Speaker 3: she was gifted as a wedding present lasted longer than
43:07
Speaker 3: the marriage.
43:08
Speaker 6: So you know, how long do you want them to last?
43:10
Speaker 5: You get the fridge?
43:11
Speaker 3: She did get the fridge. You know it's not just
43:14
Speaker 3: appliance as we change. Now we change our diets regularly
43:17
Speaker 3: and one of the things that's been noted, and Maggie
43:20
Speaker 3: Bee has even been pushing for this, is that Australians
43:22
Speaker 3: no longer really eat awful. And I think that's indicative.
43:26
Speaker 3: Perhaps you put it out to me you didn't really
43:28
Speaker 3: know what awful was, and then I had to explain
43:30
Speaker 3: to you that I make fantastic path with liver as
43:33
Speaker 3: long as you put in a lot of brandy, butter
43:35
Speaker 3: and cream.
43:36
Speaker 1: And I said, anything to make it edible, Well, perhaps
43:41
Speaker 1: just don't eat it.
43:42
Speaker 6: That's all right.
43:43
Speaker 3: I'll make you some pada for next week or something
43:45
Speaker 3: so you can try it. You can taste the pate
43:48
Speaker 3: pade on toast. It's delicious. But you know, things that
43:51
Speaker 3: used to be part of the staples that were part
43:53
Speaker 3: of the diet. Where it was Lamb's fry, whether it
43:56
Speaker 3: was steak and kidney pie, these were all part of
43:58
Speaker 3: the Australian diet and they seem to very much gone
44:00
Speaker 3: by the wayside. It's only the older Australians who seem
44:04
Speaker 3: to still remember those dishes and still go to eat them,
44:06
Speaker 3: which is why I guess Maggie Beer has been pushing
44:08
Speaker 3: this because she has been pushing for an improvement in
44:11
Speaker 3: age care facilities, in particularly the food that is served
44:15
Speaker 3: to age care residents. But yeah, I'm not sure. I'm
44:18
Speaker 3: racing back to it. Used to smell amazing but taste
44:21
Speaker 3: like chalk.
44:23
Speaker 4: No, I have no problem with this. I grew up
44:25
Speaker 4: with it. I was born in the UK. I grew
44:26
Speaker 4: up with an English mother. She loves the steak and
44:29
Speaker 4: kidney pies and a black puddings. She did used to
44:31
Speaker 4: put kidneys in the bolonnaise for spaghetti. I'm fascinated personally
44:37
Speaker 4: psychologically about habits of eating, and most of our eating
44:41
Speaker 4: that we do is very psychologically or culturally formed of
44:47
Speaker 4: what we think is you know, yummy and gross. For example,
44:51
Speaker 4: you know kid's food right, There is no such thing
44:53
Speaker 4: as kids food, right, So if we can train ourselves
44:56
Speaker 4: to learn that kids need their chicken in dinosaur shapes
45:00
Speaker 4: rather than.
45:00
Speaker 5: Just proper food.
45:02
Speaker 4: So it's just it's just what we've grown up with
45:04
Speaker 4: culturally knowing.
45:05
Speaker 3: What is Most people think meat comes from the supermarket.
45:08
Speaker 3: They have no concept of what actually happens paddick to play.
45:12
Speaker 3: They have no understanding that you know, the sheep that
45:15
Speaker 3: the cows that they drive past where they're out in
45:17
Speaker 3: the country end up in McDonald's hamburgers or chicken nuggets,
45:20
Speaker 3: lambs fry?
45:21
Speaker 5: Are you going for some lamb's fry?
45:23
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the interesting thing, right, It's so
45:25
Speaker 1: interesting how quickly you can forget this knowledge. If someone
45:29
Speaker 1: told me, oh, you should make sheep's brains, which is
45:32
Speaker 1: one of the awful recipes recommended here, like genuinely, I
45:36
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know where to buy sheep's brains.
45:38
Speaker 3: It's called lambs fry from start. They didn't ever market
45:43
Speaker 3: it as sheep. I think even you know, back in
45:46
Speaker 3: the twenties they knew marketing sheep's brains.
45:49
Speaker 1: Well, there's another thing. If you have to change the
45:52
Speaker 1: name of the fair to get people to buy it,
45:55
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it.
45:58
Speaker 3: Well, I promise you I'll whack it of brandy cream
46:01
Speaker 3: a butter through some livers for you next week and
46:04
Speaker 3: bring you in some chicken liver pata.
46:06
Speaker 5: Thank you, beautiful look.
46:08
Speaker 4: And just to finish off, we're looking at a resurgence
46:11
Speaker 4: these days of the dumb phone, and in terms of
46:15
Speaker 4: changing names, I actually do think the name of the
46:17
Speaker 4: dumb phone needs to be changed. I've told my kids
46:19
Speaker 4: that's what they're getting if and when they ever need
46:21
Speaker 4: a phone as teenagers. And of course the dumb phone
46:24
Speaker 4: doesn't sound so good. But people are flocking back to this,
46:27
Speaker 4: the cute flip phones that we used to have when
46:30
Speaker 4: I was a teenager. They're pink there, we are on screen,
46:34
Speaker 4: very trendy. Is this a good thing because I'm anti
46:37
Speaker 4: smartphone and the time it's taking up? Or is this
46:39
Speaker 4: just a trend to look cool now and push back
46:43
Speaker 4: against technology.
46:44
Speaker 1: Well, I think because technology is so ubiquitous, the cool
46:48
Speaker 1: thing is to be anti technology. And I looked at
46:51
Speaker 1: this and I thought, wow, I could totally get around that.
46:55
Speaker 3: I think I think it's performative art going to that
46:57
Speaker 3: because you know, cynical, you know, if the hat fits,
47:02
Speaker 3: wear it, you know, And I think it's performative art.
47:04
Speaker 3: And you know, they just flashed up yet it was
47:06
Speaker 3: a pink Barbie one. But I do also remember they
47:08
Speaker 3: marketed them by them for mum and dad because it
47:11
Speaker 3: had the big buttons that they could see. And as
47:13
Speaker 3: someone who's font on their smartphone is now quite large,
47:17
Speaker 3: I'm starting to want to step why that.
47:19
Speaker 6: Might have been a good marketing tool.
47:21
Speaker 1: No, I think this is great. I think I'm done
47:24
Speaker 1: with technology and social media. I say that now, but
47:26
Speaker 1: watch me in ten minutes time. I'll be back on
47:29
Speaker 1: my phone with that phone addiction. Maybe I need a
47:31
Speaker 1: dumb phone to break it. Well, we're going to go
47:33
Speaker 1: to a break now. But coming up after the break,
47:35
Speaker 1: there is more drama in Harry.
47:38
Speaker 2: And Meghan's life.
47:39
Speaker 1: This time it's about a bald spot on Harry's head.
47:43
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, Welcome back well. English cricket coach Brendan McCullum
47:52
Speaker 1: appears to have been caught cheating live on air at
47:56
Speaker 1: the SCG on the opening day of the Fifth Test.
47:59
Speaker 2: Have a lot.
48:01
Speaker 3: We had the pleasure of his company in the commentary
48:04
Speaker 3: box a few summers ago when New Zealand played here.
48:07
Speaker 4: Hang on, Baz, you've got to be careful there on
48:09
Speaker 4: National TV looking up the answers on the back there.
48:13
Speaker 1: Come on, Bas, you're better than that. My friend caught
48:24
Speaker 1: red handed.
48:25
Speaker 2: Bas incredible.
48:28
Speaker 1: He's literally just going to the answers section at the
48:31
Speaker 1: back of a crossword book and then filling it out.
48:34
Speaker 4: He clearly didn't think that England would be batting as
48:36
Speaker 4: long as they did for yesterday and today, and he thought,
48:38
Speaker 4: maybe this is over and I've got to get this done.
48:40
Speaker 3: I'm just already sends a photo of his completed crossword
48:43
Speaker 3: and sends it to his mum, going, look what I
48:45
Speaker 3: now she knows he was lying. But speaking of our
48:48
Speaker 3: other favorite English and former English people, we'd now learn
48:51
Speaker 3: that the Sussexs have a new rule that if there
48:54
Speaker 3: is a photo taken that shows Harry's bald spot, you know,
48:58
Speaker 3: the one we all know's they're already those photos aren't
49:01
Speaker 3: allowed to be used.
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Speaker 6: And we all know.
49:03
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, no guessing it's not Megan who's
49:06
Speaker 3: made this dictate. I mean, seriously, is there nothing this
49:09
Speaker 3: woman won't stoop too?
49:11
Speaker 1: I thought he was already bored to be perfectly honest,
49:13
Speaker 1: But there you go.
49:14
Speaker 2: Well that's all from us tonight. Thank you, have a
49:16
Speaker 2: great evening.