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The Kenny Report | 10 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The Sydney Mums and their podcast canceled because they're two
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Speaker 2: main stream. The Albenese labor government shows no outrage when
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Speaker 2: terrorists attack Israel, but arcs up when Israel attacks terrorist leaders.
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Speaker 2: I'll explain my disgust the trick, the tricks that the
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Speaker 2: United Nations use is to fit up Israel over a
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Speaker 2: so called famine and starvation exposed.
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen joins me.
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Speaker 2: I'll ask her what she thinks of the liberals bon
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Speaker 2: fight over Indian immigration and just Into dampijibber Price. Also
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Senator of Indian Heritage Dave Sharma on fears
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Speaker 2: of new taxes, and the Wednesday wrangle with Justin and
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Speaker 2: Denika on a looming weekend of protests in Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanzi's trip to the Pacific is not exactly going
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Speaker 2: to plan. He had planned to announce a major security
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Speaker 2: deal with Vanuatu, but that country has again stalled because
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Speaker 2: it wants to remain open to similar deals with China.
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Speaker 2: So when our Prime minister turned up in Solomon Islands,
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Speaker 2: for the Pacific Forum. Attention was drawn to how the
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Speaker 2: transport laid on for him was a Chinese SUV, one
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Speaker 2: of twenty seven Great Wall vehicles donated to the Pacific
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Speaker 2: Nation by China.
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Speaker 3: It's a car, you know, cars get you from A
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Speaker 3: to B.
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Speaker 1: It was like.
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Speaker 3: Cars get you from OT.
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Speaker 1: B true to form.
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Speaker 2: The PM is also talking up climate change on this trip.
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Speaker 1: Labor thinks the.
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Speaker 2: More alarmist it is about global warming, the better they'll
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Speaker 2: do in the Pacific.
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Speaker 3: You asked two questions. One is about climate change and
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Speaker 3: the threat to our very way of life, the impact
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Speaker 3: it's having on literally on lives and on our economy,
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Speaker 3: in our environment.
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Speaker 1: That's the big issue really.
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Speaker 2: That money is what really talks, and Labor has committed
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Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars of taxpayers money to the Pacific's
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Speaker 2: Climate Resilience Fund and.
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Speaker 1: In return, it's hoping for plenty.
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Speaker 2: Of support to host the United Nations Global Climate Conference
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Speaker 2: next year COP thirty one.
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Speaker 3: A number of speakers when they spoke in the plenary
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Speaker 3: session indicated their support and there's universal support for what
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Speaker 3: is not Australia's bid. What is Australia and the Pacific
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Speaker 3: S bid to host COP.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Abenezi government has opened tenders for invent managers
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Speaker 2: to run this extravaganza, even though Turkey wants to host
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Speaker 2: it too, and a final decision is yet to be made.
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Speaker 2: If it comes to Australia, COP thirty one will be
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Speaker 2: based in Adelaide and no doubt will cost taxpayers hundreds
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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars. Have a look at some of
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Speaker 2: the demands from the UN. They've got a whole booklet
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Speaker 2: outlining what they expect the host nation to provide, how
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Speaker 2: to cop they call it, and whether taxpayers want the
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Speaker 2: COP or not. We'll all cop the bill. The booklet
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Speaker 2: tells us that hosting a COP is an exciting way
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Speaker 2: for a country to step into the global spotlight and
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Speaker 2: showcase its commitment to combating climate change. Yeah, you can
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Speaker 2: feel the excitement, can't you. Of course, they'll all turn up,
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand delegates and observers. They'll all turn up in
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Speaker 2: fossil fuel guzzling jet aircraft, of course, and the booklet
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Speaker 2: makes clear they'll expect affordable, convenient accommodation. Except the UN
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Speaker 2: Secretary General Antonio Guterres, expects to be treated as a
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Speaker 2: head of state. And it's been the practice for the
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Speaker 2: host country to cover the costs of the Secretary General's
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Speaker 2: accommodation and related charges. Very important they got.
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Speaker 4: That in there.
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Speaker 2: But of course the guidelines go into fine detail about
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Speaker 2: all the facilities to be laid on for the delegates
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Speaker 2: and the media, and also for the observers, which it
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Speaker 2: divides into key groups like business and industry and farmers,
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Speaker 2: but also indigenous peoples and women and gender, which hardly
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Speaker 2: seem relevant categories.
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Speaker 1: For climate change. But there you go.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to catering, the UN says there should
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Speaker 2: be international menus, you don't say, and catering for different
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Speaker 2: religious beliefs, as well as vegetarian, vegan and gluten free alternatives. Well,
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Speaker 2: I reckon they should practice what they preach and the
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Speaker 2: menu should be entirely vegan, with perhaps a few crickets
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Speaker 2: and other insects for additional protein.
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Speaker 5: Ah.
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Speaker 1: And this thing is going to need a lot of energy, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, the UN says renewable energy sources should be used
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Speaker 2: to the extent that they're available, you know, green energy
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Speaker 2: from the grid and solar panels and lithium batteries.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's made in China with coal fired energy. Ad Lad
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Speaker 2: of course will be able to supply plenty of green
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Speaker 2: energy if the wind is blowing and in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the day when it's sunny. The rest of the time,
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Speaker 2: it'll be importing coal fired power from Victoria, of course,
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Speaker 2: and burning plenty of gas too. So once they're all
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Speaker 2: there in their comfortable accommodation and with their VIP facilities,
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Speaker 2: I reckon the UN delegates will be willing to cop
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Speaker 2: a bit of fossil fueled air conditioning. I hope we'll
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Speaker 2: be there to report on any hint of hypocrisy. Let
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Speaker 2: me be as blunt as I can about our government
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Speaker 2: and its attitude to anti Semitism, Israel and the war
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Speaker 2: in Gaza. Anthony Albanizi and Pennywog discussed me. They have
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Speaker 2: stood by while the Australian Jewish community has been terrorized,
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Speaker 2: and their constant demonization of Israel has only fueled this
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Speaker 2: anti semitism in our country. They have abandoned Israel diplomatically,
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Speaker 2: they have shamed our country, and while they have accused
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Speaker 2: Israel wrongly of targeting aid workers and accused Israel wrongly
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Speaker 2: of starving people and targeting civilians, they failed to say anything,
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Speaker 2: did not call a press conference. They all but ignored
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Speaker 2: the brutal slaughter of six innocent Israelis in a terrorist
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Speaker 2: attack in Jerusalem two days ago. Yeah, horror on the
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Speaker 2: streets of Jerusalem, six dead and a dozen injured at Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: and Wang said nothing publicly. Wog merely offered a statement
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Speaker 2: to some media who asked, saying terrorism could never be justified.
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Speaker 2: Yet when Israel attacked the HUMMAS leadership gathering in Doha
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Speaker 2: for ceasefire negotiations overnight, Wong was up early hitting the airwaves.
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Speaker 6: We certainly think this was the wrong thing to do because,
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Speaker 6: as you said, it violates Qatar's sovereignty. And Qatar has
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Speaker 6: also been not the country that has been so involved
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Speaker 6: in the negotiations for a ceasefire and the release of hostages,
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Speaker 6: which is.
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Speaker 4: What we all want.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when terrorists kill Israeli civilians, our Foreign minister and
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister have nothing to say, not a word. But
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Speaker 2: when the Israeli defense force manages to attack terrorist leaders,
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Speaker 2: our government leaps into the media to attack Israel. Wong
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Speaker 2: did four television interviews this morning. She wasn't asked about
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Speaker 2: the terrorist attack in Jerusalem once, and she didn't deign
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Speaker 2: to mention it once either. Her concern apparently was for
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Speaker 2: the terrorist leaders targeted by Israel.
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Speaker 6: We think this was the wrong thing to do by Israel.
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Speaker 6: As you know, Katar is a US ally. Qatar has
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Speaker 6: been hosting and working towards the ceasefire that we all want,
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Speaker 6: the return of hostages we all want, has been working
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Speaker 6: with the United States to try and broker that ceasefire,
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Speaker 6: has put an enormous amount of work in I think
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Speaker 6: this strike imperils that ceasefire, violates qatar sovereignty and risk
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Speaker 6: regional escalation and further escalation, which is in no one's interests.
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Speaker 2: Really, a cease fire, that's the realistic priority.
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Speaker 1: Has it occurred to.
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Speaker 2: Wong and Albanisi and all the other excuse makers in
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Speaker 2: the West, that after Hummas deliberately triggered a war through
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Speaker 2: unthinkable atrocities twenty three months ago, after it deliberately plunged
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Speaker 2: the people of Gaza into war and trauma and despair
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Speaker 2: for almost two years, after holding hostages and torturing hostages
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Speaker 2: and killing hostages, and now hanging on to twenty alive
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Speaker 2: hostages and another thirty dead bodies did it ever occur
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Speaker 2: to these people that the death cult of Humas is
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Speaker 2: not a group open to negotiation. You know, their sole
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Speaker 2: aim is the total elimination of Israel. So what is
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Speaker 2: the compromise that might be on offer? How do you
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Speaker 2: compromise with their genocidal aims.
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Speaker 1: This is the folly and.
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Speaker 2: The false hope of this delusional, dip madic approach. The
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Speaker 2: only way to end the war and saved the Palestinian
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Speaker 2: people is to defeat Hamas. And while so many critics
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Speaker 2: portray Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net Nyahoo as some kind
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Speaker 2: of monster, he seems to be the only one prepared
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Speaker 2: to deal in the reality of this conflict.
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Speaker 7: At noon today, I convened the heads of israel security
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Speaker 7: organizations and authorized a surgical, precision strike on the terrorist
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Speaker 7: chiefs of Hamas. These are the same terrorists who planned,
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Speaker 7: terrorist chiefs who planned, launched, and celebrated the horrific massacres
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Speaker 7: of October seventh, the savage murder of twelve hundred people,
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Speaker 7: the beheading of men, the rape and murder of women,
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Speaker 7: the burning of babies, the taking of over two hundred
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Speaker 7: and fifty hostages, innocent hostages, grandmothers, grandchildren, Holocausts. They perpetrated
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Speaker 7: the worst attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 7: Now they were meeting in the same place, exactly the
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Speaker 7: same place where they celebrated the savagery almost two years ago.
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Speaker 7: At the beginning of the war, I promised that Israel
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Speaker 7: would reach those who perpetrated this horror, and today Israel
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Speaker 7: and I have kept that promise.
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Speaker 2: Now, the US President has had to express some dismay
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Speaker 2: at the attack in Katab because they're a US ally.
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Speaker 3: I'll be giving a full statement tomorrow, but I would
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Speaker 3: tell you this, I was very unhappy about it, very unhappy.
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Speaker 1: About every aspect, and we got to get the hostages back.
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Speaker 5: But I was very unhappy about the way that went down.
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Speaker 2: But Donald Trump also recognized the reality in a social
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Speaker 2: media post. He said, unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a sovereign
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Speaker 2: nation and US ally helping to broke a peace, doesn't
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Speaker 2: advance Israel or America's goals. But he said eliminating Hummas
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Speaker 2: who have profited from the misery of those living in
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Speaker 2: Gaza is.
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Speaker 1: A worthy goal.
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Speaker 2: Indeed it is, and realistically it's the only way to
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Speaker 2: deliver peace. This is the reality that weak leaders like
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Speaker 2: our own and those in Europe failed to grasp. Their
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Speaker 2: complete lack of backbone, their terrible resort to false equivalents,
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Speaker 2: and their anti Israeli disposition leads them to a place
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Speaker 2: that is a strategic and moral dead end. They offer
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Speaker 2: not a word of outrage or sympathy for the victims
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Speaker 2: of a terrorist attack in Jerusalem that if Hummas did
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Speaker 2: not organize, it's certainly praised, but they express outrage instead
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Speaker 2: against an Israeli attack that kills Hummas terrorist leaders, the
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Speaker 2: leaders who orchestrated and celebrated the October the seventh atrocities,
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Speaker 2: and who have deliberately chosen to extend the war and
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Speaker 2: therefore the suffering of their own Palestinian people. Let's be real,
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Speaker 2: it's unfortunate that Katari sovereignty was breached. But then again,
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Speaker 2: this is a country that has long harbored the Hummas
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Speaker 2: leadership and their ill gotten billions, and the country that
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Speaker 2: fills the world with anti Israeli propaganda through its Al
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Speaker 2: Jazeera network. As for the targets the Hummas leadership, they
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Speaker 2: exist to visit death and destruction upon all Israelis and
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Speaker 2: Jews and their supporters anywhere anytime, So anytime any one
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Speaker 2: of them are taken out, even if it upsets Wong
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Speaker 2: and alban Easy, it can only improve the chances of
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Speaker 2: peace in the region, which is why peace is probably
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Speaker 2: closer now after this attack in Doha than it was beforehand.
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Speaker 2: The coalition in this country is nowhere. It's out of
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Speaker 2: the picture. It's having no impact on critiquing the government,
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Speaker 2: holding it to account or setting the agenda.
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Speaker 1: Why well, because it's in a shambles, isn't.
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Speaker 2: It seemingly ruddalus The Liberal Party can't shake the ridiculous
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Speaker 2: controversy over Senator just sent to Namba jimber Price's wrongheaded
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Speaker 2: dissing of Indian immigration.
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Speaker 1: The issue just won't go away for two reasons.
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Speaker 2: First, the opposition leader Susan Lee doesn't have either the
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Speaker 2: inclination or the authority to sort it out. And second,
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Speaker 2: because nabajimber Price refuses to apologize and move on.
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Speaker 5: I made comments on the ABC.
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Speaker 8: I almost immediately clarified those comments and expressed, of course
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Speaker 8: the fact that while you know my comments were certainly clumsy, Unfortunately,
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Speaker 8: the issue that's of great concern, which you know I
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Speaker 8: won't be silenced on is the issue of mass migration
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Speaker 8: in our country.
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Speaker 2: This is becoming tedious, of course, but there must be
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Speaker 2: method in this madness.
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Speaker 1: And what seems to be.
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Speaker 2: Happening is that this issue is deliberately being left alive
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Speaker 2: as a dividing line between the Liberal Conservatives and their
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Speaker 2: moderate colleagues. So it's become an ongoing ruction that undercuts
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Speaker 2: the Liberal leader and senator. Now but jimber Price's comments
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Speaker 2: on Susan Lee today, we're telling.
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Speaker 1: Do you have confidence in her leadership?
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Speaker 8: Look again, those matters are for our party room. Those
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Speaker 8: matters are for our party room. Focus is to go
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Speaker 8: forward and to ensure that we're doing the right thing
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Speaker 8: by the Australian people, which is what we are elected
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Speaker 8: to do. That that is what my concerns are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a fullhearted endorsement of Lee's leadership would have been handy, there,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't it. Its absence was obvious and ominous. Stay tuned. Well,
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Speaker 2: it feels like months ago, but it's only been three
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Speaker 2: weeks since Jim Chalmer's tax talkfest the Economic Roundtable, big
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Speaker 2: and small business groups have joined forces calling on the
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Speaker 2: government to rule out a new cash flow company tax. Now,
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Speaker 2: I had invited Liberal Senator Dave Sharma, the Shadow Assistant
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Speaker 2: treasure Shadow Assistant Minister for the Treasury on to talk
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Speaker 2: about this topic. There's plenty more to discuss now as well.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring him in now, Dave, let's start on the
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Speaker 2: tax stuff. This this idea of new taxes, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem to have gone away. With businesses now large and small,
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Speaker 2: worried about what labour is going to do. Are you
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Speaker 2: seeking commitments from the government to rule out any additional
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Speaker 2: business taxes.
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Speaker 9: We would like the government to be ruling out any
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Speaker 9: new taxes, both you know those that it's previously for shadow,
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Speaker 9: the tax on unrealized gains, but also some of these
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Speaker 9: more speculative ideas that seem to have emerged out of
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Speaker 9: this economic reform rounds have. I mean, the way to
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Speaker 9: get the economy growing again and the way to get
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Speaker 9: private sector activity moving, and the way to get private
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Speaker 9: investment movie in is not by taxing those activities more.
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Speaker 9: It's actually by spending less and making sure that the
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Speaker 9: government is not competing for key resources, whether it's labor
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Speaker 9: or skills, with the private sector.
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Speaker 4: And that's what we'd like to see the government doing.
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Speaker 2: The Business Council says even this talk of possible new
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Speaker 2: taxes is timing investments, so you need to clear it
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Speaker 2: up if you want to give business confidence.
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Speaker 9: I think that's right. I mean business confidence is low
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Speaker 9: in Australia. If you look at private sector investment in
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Speaker 9: the latest quarterly accounts figures, that's at about a three
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Speaker 9: decade low. It's the sort of level of the depth
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Speaker 9: of the nineteen nineties recession. And we cannot get our
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Speaker 9: economy moving, and we cannot get productivity moving, and we
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Speaker 9: can't get living standards moving in unless business has confidence
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Speaker 9: and optimism about the future and is prepared to make
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Speaker 9: significant capital decisions based on a promising future at the moment.
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Speaker 9: And this government is not able to demonstrate that. And
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Speaker 9: that's why private capital is basically sitting on the sidelines
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Speaker 9: in Australia.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: As a former Australian ambassador to Israel, I've got to
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Speaker 2: get your thoughts on the latest developments.
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Speaker 1: You heard my thoughts.
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Speaker 2: I'm just staggered at the lack of government response and
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Speaker 2: sympathy for Israel after the terrorist attack in Jerusalem just
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Speaker 2: two days ago. Yet they're on the front foot attacking
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Speaker 2: Israel over their attack on the Hamas leadership in Doha.
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Speaker 1: What's your view of these two episodes.
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Speaker 9: Well, firstly, I think the government should have come out
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Speaker 9: very quickly and put out a statement at least or
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Speaker 9: done some media condemning what was clearly a terrorist attack
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Speaker 9: targeting civilians in Jerusalem. You know that was a terrible crime.
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Speaker 9: It's only going to make the situation worse than that
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Speaker 9: should have been condemned quickly in terms of what happened
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Speaker 9: in Doha overnight. I mean, look, the political leadership of
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Speaker 9: Hamas has been a legitimate target in this conflict since
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Speaker 9: at least the seventh of October and possibly before. And
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Speaker 9: the idea that they can sit cheering on the October
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Speaker 9: seventh attacks from their luxury hotel suites in Doha and
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Speaker 9: not expect themselves to be at risk in this conflict,
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Speaker 9: I think is fanciful. I'm a little surprised it's taken
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Speaker 9: as long as it has for that leadership to be targeted,
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Speaker 9: but I think they certainly had it coming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Dave Shamer. I wish we heard that
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Speaker 2: sort of thing from our government. Now let me go
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Speaker 2: to the Justenta Nampa jimper Bryce controversy. You are an
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Speaker 2: Australian of Indian heritage, Yet I believe you've a liberal.
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Speaker 4: I do, I must be.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I think there's a lot more Australians of
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Speaker 9: Indian heritage to vote Liberal than people might expect. But
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Speaker 9: you know, we should always be seeking as a political
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Speaker 9: movement to attract more voters and newer voters. And I
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Speaker 9: think that's why this controversy if you like, all these
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Speaker 9: comments you know have been I think so regrettable and
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Speaker 9: so damaging.
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Speaker 2: Well do you think that her comments just at an
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Speaker 2: inabite of prices comments have insulted the Indian community in Australia,
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Speaker 2: It could have damaged the party politically.
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Speaker 1: Does she need to apologize? Well, look, I know they have.
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Speaker 9: I mean I've heard from members of the Indian community
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Speaker 9: directly about this, including you know, there's many members of
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Speaker 9: the Indian community who are Liberal Party members who've been
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Speaker 9: in touch with me about this, and they've told me
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Speaker 9: what their friends and families and colleagues and business partners
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Speaker 9: and associates are saying. So yes, of course it's done
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Speaker 9: as damage, and yes we should seek to move on
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Speaker 9: from it as quickly as possible. And yes, I think
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Speaker 9: just since it should be crystal clear an apology about that.
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Speaker 9: No one's trying to silence her. In terms of talking
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Speaker 9: about migration numbers. There's a legitimate debate to be had
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Speaker 9: about what is the sustainable level of migration in Australia.
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Speaker 9: But unfortunately a legitimate point she was making was corrupted
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Speaker 9: or distorted by what she herself has recognized with clumsy
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Speaker 9: comments tying them back to the Indian community, and the
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Speaker 9: quicker we can move on from this, Chris, the better, Well.
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Speaker 1: That's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Now you would have seen those comments I just showed
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Speaker 2: from her today. When those she was asked to express
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Speaker 2: her support for Susan Lee's leadership, she pointedly didn't do that.
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Speaker 1: She said, that's a matter for the party room.
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Speaker 2: Is this issue now being being used as some sort
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Speaker 2: of stalking horse for leadership leadership debate, leadership resentment, leadership
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Speaker 2: contention within the party?
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Speaker 9: Look, I'm not sure, I hope not, but I would
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Speaker 9: say that if you're in the shadow ministry and I
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Speaker 9: and then just interest as well, and you don't feel
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Speaker 9: like you can support the leader, and you don't believe,
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Speaker 9: you don't support the direction that taking the country, then
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Speaker 9: the option I opened to you is pretty clear, and
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Speaker 9: that's to resign from the shadow ministry.
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Speaker 2: So if you said to Naberjema Price can't express full
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Speaker 2: support in the leader, she shouldn't be in the shadow ministry.
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Speaker 9: Well that's that's my view. I mean, what are you
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Speaker 9: doing in the shadow ministry if you don't support the
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Speaker 9: leader's direction. I just don't think that two positions are compatible.
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Speaker 1: Strong words. Dave Sharma, thanks for joining us. Thanks so much, Chris.
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Speaker 2: That's Dave Sharma, who's the Shadow Assistant Minister for Treasury.
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Speaker 1: He does make a clear point.
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Speaker 2: There, and I'm a strong supporter of just into Naberjimba Prices.
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Speaker 2: As many of you know, we've disagreed over some issues,
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Speaker 2: but I've known her a long while, I've supported her
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Speaker 2: political career.
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Speaker 1: She needs to support the leader.
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Speaker 2: You can't be wishy washy about supporting the leader as
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Speaker 2: she was today. It just inflames the situation. Let's go
22:54
Speaker 2: to Paul En Hanson now, who's the One Nation leader.
22:56
Speaker 2: She joins me live from scenic Rim and Queensland. Have
22:59
Speaker 2: been watching these events, both the substance and the politics
23:02
Speaker 2: of them play out. Let's start where I just finished.
23:05
Speaker 2: There was extraordinary, wasn't it poor Lendacy that you said
23:08
Speaker 2: that our Berjebba Price wouldn't even express support for her
23:11
Speaker 2: leader today.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't that inflame the situation further?
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Speaker 10: Well, Chris, I'll put it this way, what's the port
23:19
Speaker 10: has she got from leader? Without really looking at history?
23:22
Speaker 10: And history is repeating itself here, which a lot of
23:24
Speaker 10: people don't realize and understand. In nineteen ninety seven, Barry Jones,
23:28
Speaker 10: then the president of the Labor Party and also who
23:31
Speaker 10: was a former Minister un of the Labor Party at
23:34
Speaker 10: the Population Forum said we purely brought people in from
23:38
Speaker 10: Greece and China purely.
23:40
Speaker 5: For the vote. He admitted that Labor.
23:43
Speaker 10: Prior to ninety six election, which child once they had
23:46
Speaker 10: a big immigration issue because I've bringing a lot of
23:50
Speaker 10: people from other countries and the public were actually angry
23:53
Speaker 10: about it. Seventy percent of Australians didn't want the mass
23:55
Speaker 10: immigration they were having. Then only three percent wanted it.
23:59
Speaker 10: So a lot of ways history is repeating itself because
24:02
Speaker 10: they have and remember prior to the last election they
24:07
Speaker 10: process seven hundred thousand people to get their citizenship just
24:11
Speaker 10: prior to election. Now I'm not targeting Indians. I've had
24:14
Speaker 10: Indians stand as candidates of one nation. They are hard workers,
24:18
Speaker 10: they're business people, and I respect that. But it is
24:22
Speaker 10: true what she says. Labor have done this for decades
24:25
Speaker 10: to target certain populations to bring them into the country.
24:28
Speaker 10: Of course, they're grateful for the opportunity to come to Australia,
24:31
Speaker 10: so whereas the allegiance to them is to the political
24:35
Speaker 10: party that's given the opportunity to come to Australia. Let's
24:38
Speaker 10: have the debate. I think they shut her down. This
24:41
Speaker 10: is what happened to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anyone's trying to shut her down.
24:44
Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
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Speaker 2: I think a the immigration levels are too high now,
24:48
Speaker 2: and that's what you said to Nabijeba Price was saying. Secondly,
24:52
Speaker 2: I do think I think you find a lot of
24:54
Speaker 2: evidence and data over the years to show that all
24:58
Speaker 2: immigrants when they come to the country tend to be
25:00
Speaker 2: labor voters initially.
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Speaker 1: As they get settled and do better, they're voting.
25:05
Speaker 2: Allegiance spreads more broadly, but labor gets a boost out
25:09
Speaker 2: of higher rates of immigration. I think that's a political reality.
25:13
Speaker 2: But the question here, and this is the problem. I
25:15
Speaker 2: don't know why the senator that doesn't just deal with
25:18
Speaker 2: this and move on. She singled out the Indian community
25:21
Speaker 2: and the higher levels of Indian immigration as being brought
25:24
Speaker 2: in because.
25:25
Speaker 1: They're going to vote labor.
25:26
Speaker 2: Now, I just don't think there's any evidence for that,
25:28
Speaker 2: and I think it's demeaning to the Indian community because
25:31
Speaker 2: most people know and I've heard it from all sorts
25:34
Speaker 2: of sources that, of course, and I've seen it with
25:36
Speaker 2: my own eyes. Indians are a great cohort of migrants
25:41
Speaker 2: that they really will integrated migrants who are doing great
25:45
Speaker 2: things in this country, and they don't want to be slighted,
25:47
Speaker 2: either accidentally or deliberately by politicians.
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Speaker 1: So shouldn't just into now Bijember Price clear that up.
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Speaker 10: I tried to agree with you, Chris, and yes, it
25:57
Speaker 10: is because these people have come here from you life
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Speaker 10: and are integrating, working extremely hard, as I said. But
26:06
Speaker 10: let's move on from there and let's debate about the
26:09
Speaker 10: fact is what Slabour's plans is. They are they doing
26:13
Speaker 10: the mass migration purely for the vote, And I have
26:16
Speaker 10: no doubt the Libs have done the same. They've targeted
26:18
Speaker 10: who they wanted to bring in the country. It was
26:20
Speaker 10: evident under the Morrison government, and I know that for
26:23
Speaker 10: a fact, so you know both of them are responsible
26:26
Speaker 10: for it. But comes down to the big argument mass migration.
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Speaker 10: The public have had enough of it, and the second
26:32
Speaker 10: tide of the Labor Party bringing them in purely for
26:35
Speaker 10: the vote. Plus also they're bringing in purely to bring
26:38
Speaker 10: down the gross domestic product and for productivity, and that's
26:42
Speaker 10: not the way to run the country.
26:44
Speaker 2: I think Dick Smith made a really good point on
26:46
Speaker 2: this program this week where he said that to each
26:48
Speaker 2: party should have a population plan. They should go to
26:51
Speaker 2: the election with a policy that delivers a population plan
26:56
Speaker 2: for what they think this country will have as a
26:58
Speaker 2: population in ten to fifty in fifty years time. Do
27:01
Speaker 2: you think that that's something we should get from the
27:03
Speaker 2: parties before the next election.
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Speaker 10: Of course we should, Chris. I've put a private members
27:09
Speaker 10: belong the floor of Parliament to have a clever site
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Speaker 10: for the people of Australia to vote on about a
27:15
Speaker 10: population plan.
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Speaker 5: They're not interested.
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Speaker 10: They voted down. I think my figures that I've been
27:20
Speaker 10: contemplating is about thirty five million by the year twenty forty.
27:25
Speaker 10: We need to level it out. Our immigration plan is
27:28
Speaker 10: about one hundred and thirty thousand a year. You've got
27:30
Speaker 10: about that many that leave the country. Your deaths and
27:33
Speaker 10: your birth's about the same. We need to level it
27:36
Speaker 10: out till we actually get the infrastructure and the services
27:39
Speaker 10: that we need to provide to the Istra and people.
27:41
Speaker 10: We're too high at the moment. That's why the cost
27:44
Speaker 10: of living is going through the roof and people are
27:46
Speaker 10: actually struggling.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline, appreciate it.
27:49
Speaker 2: Pauling handsome their forethroat as ever from Queensland.
27:52
Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break.
27:53
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, I'm going to catch
27:54
Speaker 2: up and tell you about the Sydney Mums. We've had
27:56
Speaker 2: their podcast canceled just because they're expressing right central or
28:00
Speaker 2: mainstream views. Well, how about this for a case of censorship.
28:08
Speaker 2: How social media tries to boost the left and silence conservatives.
28:12
Speaker 2: Two Sydney based mums have been banned from TikTok of
28:15
Speaker 2: All Things, discussing identity politics. Children's book publisher Jamie Johnston
28:21
Speaker 2: and good friend Jamie Rodgers, the Liberal candidate for Ringer
28:24
Speaker 2: at the last election, co host the JJ podcast discussing
28:29
Speaker 2: Politics without the BS, and it was all going well,
28:32
Speaker 2: and so they posted this video.
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Speaker 11: Have a look, we're living in a time where people
28:39
Speaker 11: can jump online and believe anything they see.
28:42
Speaker 12: To your earlier point regarding when identity politics attacks an individual,
28:46
Speaker 12: that was also what we saw quite heavily throughout that
28:49
Speaker 12: last election as well. Then Peter Dutton and the names
28:52
Speaker 12: that he was being called. We were bringing quite a
28:54
Speaker 12: lot of refugees from Gaza and they were coming in
28:57
Speaker 12: quite quickly, and Peter Dutton just wanted to see what
29:00
Speaker 12: the vetting process was like, just absolutely that we weren't
29:03
Speaker 12: bringing that hatred and those Hama sympathizers into Australia, and
29:07
Speaker 12: we saw Dalis Steggles stood up and called him a racist.
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Speaker 1: Stop being Yeah, then they were banned by TikTok.
29:16
Speaker 2: No reason was given for the band, with TikTok just
29:19
Speaker 2: saying your account has violated our community guidelines and cannot
29:23
Speaker 2: be restored. The same video is still up on YouTube
29:27
Speaker 2: and Instagram. By the way, and Jamie Johnson, co host
29:29
Speaker 2: of the Double J podcast, joins me live in the studio.
29:33
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Jamie, Thank you for having me.
29:34
Speaker 2: This have come as such such a shock, it's such
29:37
Speaker 2: as straightforward conversation I think most Australiers would nod their
29:41
Speaker 2: heads at it, and you're stripped of an audience exactly.
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Speaker 11: We just went to log on one day on the
29:46
Speaker 11: app and I took a screenshot when it said your
29:49
Speaker 11: account has been banned.
29:50
Speaker 5: We could submit an appeal. We did that.
29:53
Speaker 11: In the appeal, I actually said, can you let us
29:55
Speaker 11: know why it was banned? Like, what did we say
29:58
Speaker 11: that violated community guidelines? I didn't receive a reply. It
30:03
Speaker 11: just said that something would come through an email, and
30:05
Speaker 11: a number of days later I received something saying appeal declined.
30:09
Speaker 2: That's interesting because there has been another development, but you
30:11
Speaker 2: had an appeal and it was declined. But just before
30:14
Speaker 2: we go to the next development, I want to show
30:16
Speaker 2: another segment from that podcast because it gets into a
30:19
Speaker 2: very very significant political speech from a few years back.
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Speaker 5: Going back to the identity thing.
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Speaker 11: I had to look recently at the twenty twelve Julia
30:30
Speaker 11: Gillard misogyny speech. She says in that speech, I will
30:34
Speaker 11: not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man.
30:37
Speaker 3: Misogyny, sexism every day from this labor of the opposition,
30:42
Speaker 3: every day, in every way.
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Speaker 11: And when I saw that part of the speech, I thought,
30:47
Speaker 11: that's such dramatic language. Every day in every way, all
30:54
Speaker 11: we have heard is misogyny. I mean, it's just not true.
30:58
Speaker 1: As sure as not true.
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Speaker 2: Janie, you're so refreshing to see women talking about that
31:03
Speaker 2: speech in that way, because it keeps putting shoved down
31:05
Speaker 2: our throats to some momentous occasion for feminism in this country.
31:09
Speaker 2: I got a feeling that bit might have railed them
31:11
Speaker 2: more than the Dutton racism stuff.
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Speaker 5: Well, when I.
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Speaker 11: Looked into what TikTok's community guidelines are, because I thought,
31:18
Speaker 11: I'm going to read this and see what area I
31:20
Speaker 11: could possibly have violated, and it gives examples of misinformation,
31:25
Speaker 11: which is completely subjective, but it speaks about using AI
31:29
Speaker 11: or editing or using other people's voices, And so I
31:33
Speaker 11: wondered if maybe the fact that I used Zalie Stegel's
31:36
Speaker 11: voice or used Julia Gillard's voice in the clip, if
31:39
Speaker 11: that's what did it, but I didn't edit.
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Speaker 5: It in any way. That's what they said, That's.
31:43
Speaker 1: What it's all about. That happens all the time.
31:44
Speaker 2: Now, the good news is that you've checked late today
31:47
Speaker 2: and you back up with no information from TikTok.
31:51
Speaker 1: You think the band has been lifted. Do you think
31:53
Speaker 1: a bit of media attention might have done that?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well that's exactly the point, because to Jane Hume's
32:00
Speaker 11: team stepped in, so we know a few people in
32:03
Speaker 11: high places. Not only did her team step in, I
32:06
Speaker 11: have some friends at a company called Growth Hunter who
32:08
Speaker 11: have managers in TikTok, and so we informed them of
32:12
Speaker 11: the story as well. And as of four pm this afternoon,
32:16
Speaker 11: our account was back.
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Speaker 1: No explanation from TikTok again.
32:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're back out there, and you've got another podcast
32:24
Speaker 2: coming out on Friday.
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Speaker 11: We do it.
32:25
Speaker 1: What topics are you addressing? There?
32:27
Speaker 2: They have they scared you into only doing lefty topics?
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Speaker 5: Oh goodness, gracious.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 11: This Friday's episode will be on productivity in the economy
32:35
Speaker 11: and it was live with tet O'Brian Todo Brian.
32:37
Speaker 1: Well, there we go. I look forward to that one.
32:39
Speaker 2: It's interesting that they've they've got rid of the band
32:42
Speaker 2: and now even though.
32:43
Speaker 1: They knocked back your appeal, keep tabs on it.
32:46
Speaker 2: Let us know if you get any more trickery from
32:48
Speaker 2: TikTok or any of the other social media platforms. Jamie Johnson,
32:52
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us. And I think we've
32:54
Speaker 2: put some stuff up there on the screens. If you
32:56
Speaker 2: want to check in on that podcast, there you go.
32:58
Speaker 2: There's a QR code that you can use. Why'm back
33:00
Speaker 2: and have a look at that if you missed it. Also,
33:02
Speaker 2: just google the JJ podcast.
33:04
Speaker 1: Of course.
33:04
Speaker 2: Now we're going to go to a break. On the
33:06
Speaker 2: other side, we're going to look at the tricks that
33:07
Speaker 2: the United Nations uses to demonize Israel over famine and
33:13
Speaker 2: starvation in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: Don't go away.
33:19
Speaker 2: Last month the world heard from the international body that
33:22
Speaker 2: works with aid agencies and the United Nations to monitor
33:26
Speaker 2: food security worldwide. It's called the IPC, or Integrated Food
33:31
Speaker 2: Security Phase Classification, and last month an issue a report
33:36
Speaker 2: that declared the Famine Review Committee had determined that famine
33:41
Speaker 2: is currently occurring in Gaza. Critics say the body actually
33:46
Speaker 2: changed its standards and criteria in order to declare a
33:50
Speaker 2: human induced famine in parts of Gaza. Let's go to
33:54
Speaker 2: Hillel Nouer, who's executive director of un Watch. Thanks for
33:58
Speaker 2: joining us again, Hillel tell us, is this correct? Is
34:03
Speaker 2: the ip say correct? Is there a famine in Gaza
34:06
Speaker 2: or not?
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Speaker 4: No, this is a fabricated report. Let's be clear, there
34:13
Speaker 4: is suffering in Gaza, there are problems with humanitarian needs,
34:18
Speaker 4: but there is not famine. There are objective measures and
34:22
Speaker 4: standards that are used normally to determine if there's famine,
34:26
Speaker 4: and in this report it was motivated, politically motivated to
34:31
Speaker 4: fabricate a finding of famine, you know, to give one
34:36
Speaker 4: important measure. According to the IPC, this U and backed
34:40
Speaker 4: body which made this finding of famine, according to their
34:44
Speaker 4: measure of a phase five famine, you would have two
34:48
Speaker 4: people per ten thousand in the population dying every day.
34:53
Speaker 4: That means that in the past months we would have
34:56
Speaker 4: twenty two thousand deaths in Gaza from Yet according to
35:01
Speaker 4: Hamas and the UN themselves, the number is thirty I'll
35:06
Speaker 4: say that again, not twenty two thousand, which would be
35:08
Speaker 4: the result according to their declared measure, but thirty. So
35:14
Speaker 4: the moment that you don't have these thousands of people
35:17
Speaker 4: dying by their measure, you don't have famine. That's just
35:21
Speaker 4: one of many examples on how this report is a
35:25
Speaker 4: complete fraud.
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Speaker 2: There's also supposed to be twenty percent of households running
35:30
Speaker 2: out of food for it to be a femine and
35:32
Speaker 2: Gaza doesn't mean that standard either.
35:35
Speaker 4: That's right. Look, this report was not made in good faith.
35:40
Speaker 4: To put it mildly, they did not consult Israel, which
35:43
Speaker 4: is a major element in bringing in aid and which
35:47
Speaker 4: has some data on the ground. Israel, through the Gaza
35:51
Speaker 4: Humanitarian Foundation backed by the United States, and Israel, has
35:55
Speaker 4: facilitated tens of millions of meals in the past couple
35:59
Speaker 4: of mine alone to people in Gaza. None of this
36:02
Speaker 4: was taken into consideration. They also, you know, the UN
36:05
Speaker 4: measures only trucks that they bring in, not trucks that
36:08
Speaker 4: other people bring in. This report was not made in
36:10
Speaker 4: good faith. It was based on cherry picked data. They
36:14
Speaker 4: used partial data from July declaring that they saw a
36:17
Speaker 4: rising trend. They ignored contrary data. They inflated mortality figures
36:24
Speaker 4: using data that came from the terrorists. These are basically
36:28
Speaker 4: terrorist claims. These are Hamas claims laundered by a UN
36:34
Speaker 4: back report. And if we know a little bit about
36:36
Speaker 4: who the authors are, that tells us a bit more
36:38
Speaker 4: about how this happened.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, now I just want to reiterte the point that
36:42
Speaker 2: you might at the outset, and that is that you're
36:43
Speaker 2: not downplying the trauma in Gaza and the suffering of
36:47
Speaker 2: the people there. It is real, it does need to end.
36:51
Speaker 2: But what is the motivation here? By trying to suggest
36:54
Speaker 2: that most of the trauma is created by a lack
36:57
Speaker 2: of ay, that is, a human induced famine, they're trying
37:01
Speaker 2: to suggest that all the problems in Gaza are the
37:03
Speaker 2: result of Israeli actions rather than stemming from a war
37:08
Speaker 2: that Hamas deliberately continues to prosecute.
37:14
Speaker 4: That's right. Look, let's recall there was a ceasefire on
37:17
Speaker 4: October sixth. On October seventh, Hamas terrorists invaded Israel, slaughtered
37:22
Speaker 4: twelve hundred people, committed horrific atrocities, and took some two
37:26
Speaker 4: husdred and fifty hostages, a fifty of whom have never returned.
37:30
Speaker 4: We hope twenty are still alive, maybe more, and they
37:34
Speaker 4: are being tortured. All of this can end. All of
37:37
Speaker 4: this can end now if Hamas releases the hostages, lays
37:41
Speaker 4: down their arms. The war is going on because Hamas
37:45
Speaker 4: continues to attack Israel. Just two days ago, they slaughtered
37:49
Speaker 4: innocent people. Six people were slaughtered at a bus stop
37:52
Speaker 4: in Jerusalem, including a rabbi, and they seriously wounded some
37:56
Speaker 4: twelve others. This was something that Hamas took credit for,
38:01
Speaker 4: so the war could end. Israel is not trying to
38:04
Speaker 4: harm the population. They're trying to root out Hamas, which
38:07
Speaker 4: is not only attacking Israel, it also subjugates, oppresses and
38:11
Speaker 4: destroys the future of the Palestinian people themselves.
38:14
Speaker 2: So what is the impact then, of reports like this
38:17
Speaker 2: famine one and as you say it adopted report effectively.
38:21
Speaker 1: Applies into the international media.
38:24
Speaker 2: Does it actually help to extend the conflict by forcing
38:27
Speaker 2: all the pressure onto Israel and none onto Hamas well.
38:32
Speaker 4: Look, it echoes hamas propaganda, part of which is indeed
38:37
Speaker 4: to justify all of Hamas's actions, and it's part of
38:41
Speaker 4: a larger narrative that portrays Israel as evil. Israel is
38:46
Speaker 4: accused of being a by its essence and apartheid report
38:50
Speaker 4: when it responds to tens of thousands of terrorists on
38:54
Speaker 4: their border. This isn't you know, When France killed dozens
38:57
Speaker 4: of jihadi terrorists in Africa and Mali thousands of miles
39:01
Speaker 4: away who had nothing to do with France, That's not
39:05
Speaker 4: the case with Israel. Israel has these terrorists right on
39:09
Speaker 4: their border. It's right across the street from Israeli towns
39:12
Speaker 4: and villages, all of them within rocket fire, so Israel
39:16
Speaker 4: is obliged to root out the terrorists. These reports are
39:21
Speaker 4: designed to portray Israel as evil. And let's be clear.
39:24
Speaker 4: The reason that we've seen a tidal wave of anti Semitism,
39:28
Speaker 4: anti Jewish hatred, whether it's from Sydney and Melbourne, or
39:33
Speaker 4: in Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, New York, London, Paris, around the world,
39:38
Speaker 4: anti Jewish attacks, synagogues being firebombed, is a direct result
39:43
Speaker 4: of this hatred that is being whipped up by these
39:47
Speaker 4: false reports whose purpose is to demonize Israel and by implication,
39:53
Speaker 4: those who support it, including Jews worldwide.
39:56
Speaker 2: Hell Lilinoya, thanks so much for joining us for.
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Speaker 1: Having that's HELLEL.
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Speaker 2: Noyer, who's the executive director of u n Watch, speaking
40:04
Speaker 2: to a spot via zoom from Geneva.
40:06
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get to a break.
40:08
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, the Wednesday wrangle with Justin
40:10
Speaker 2: Smith and Deaneka to Georgio. We'll discuss the four protest
40:13
Speaker 2: groups due to clash in Melbourne's CBD on Saturday. Let's
40:22
Speaker 2: get into the Wednesday wrangle with Justin Smith, broadcaster author
40:26
Speaker 2: joining us from Melbourne Town and on the desk here
40:29
Speaker 2: with me, Denika de Giorgio, the host of Deaneka and
40:32
Speaker 2: Deanika and James and of Paul Murray Live and whate else.
40:37
Speaker 1: Basically, she just sits on this desk and talks all day.
40:41
Speaker 1: So breaking news.
40:42
Speaker 2: First up, you would have heard me at the top
40:43
Speaker 2: of the program talking about just into Naberjimba Price not
40:47
Speaker 2: endorsing Susan Lee as leader. To me, that speaks of
40:51
Speaker 2: big tensions in the Liberal Party. Later on, in an interview,
40:54
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma said, well, if you can't back the leader,
40:57
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be in the shadow ministry.
40:59
Speaker 1: While we've just to that Susan Lee.
41:01
Speaker 2: Is holding a press conference in Hobart at six point
41:04
Speaker 2: thirty tonight, No doubt we'll take.
41:06
Speaker 1: You live to that.
41:07
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm just
41:09
Speaker 2: saying there's a lot of stuff bubbling away at at
41:11
Speaker 2: the very least she needs to come out and show
41:13
Speaker 2: some leadership on something.
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Speaker 13: But I mean, the fact that she's holding a six
41:17
Speaker 13: thirty press conference is never a good sign. It obviously
41:20
Speaker 13: means that there is some sort of an announcement. I mean,
41:22
Speaker 13: we don't know if it has got to do with
41:23
Speaker 13: Senator Price, But look, I've said this sort of. I
41:28
Speaker 13: said this last night. I think that Senator Price should
41:31
Speaker 13: not be apologizing for what she said.
41:32
Speaker 5: She should stick by her comments.
41:34
Speaker 1: But you said she was wrong, though you said she
41:36
Speaker 1: was wrong. If you're wrong, don't you apologize.
41:38
Speaker 5: No, she should have addressed it on the day.
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Speaker 13: But I don't think she needs to come out and
41:41
Speaker 13: give this groveling apology.
41:42
Speaker 5: In my view, I don't.
41:43
Speaker 13: Think she should because she there's nothing wrong about it. No,
41:48
Speaker 13: she should have acknowledged it last Wednesday. Justin that I
41:51
Speaker 13: do agree with. But I don't think she needs to
41:53
Speaker 13: come out with this groveling apology. And I certain don't
41:55
Speaker 13: think the congerline of liberals lining up to apologize for her.
41:58
Speaker 5: I just think it's a shocking.
41:59
Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's if you've made the mistake about
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Speaker 2: but essentially impugning Indian immigrants, you just got to say
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Speaker 2: sorry for it and move on.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be groveling. It take about ten seconds.
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Speaker 2: But justin we don't know what Susan Lee's press conference about,
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Speaker 2: but at the very least she needs to stamp some
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Speaker 2: authority on the situation.
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Speaker 1: Don't you think it's got to be bad news, hasn't it?
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Speaker 14: Because as the three of us knows, if you've got
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Speaker 14: good news, you leak it to the paper, The paper
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Speaker 14: put it on the front page, the radio picks it up,
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Speaker 14: and then it's on the news at six o'clock at night.
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Speaker 14: If it's bad news, you wait for all that to
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Speaker 14: happen and then you go on in six point thirty.
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Speaker 14: So I have absolutely no idea what the opposition leader
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Speaker 14: is going to talk about. But they must have known
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Speaker 14: this was coming senateor Price must have known the second
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Speaker 14: that she didn't back the leading.
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Speaker 1: You know how these things work.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, if you're asked that question, there's really only
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Speaker 14: one answer unless you want trouble, there's.
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Speaker 1: Only one answer. And if you want to talk about
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Speaker 1: what here it is today, well.
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Speaker 2: Exactly Dave Sharma said afterwards it was a strong comment
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Speaker 2: for him, but again he can't say anything else. If
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Speaker 2: you're in the shadow ministry, you have to support the leader.
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Speaker 1: That's simple.
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Speaker 2: If you don't, you resign, you leave it. So it's
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Speaker 2: getting messy. Stay tuned. We'll bring you that press conference
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Speaker 2: or part of it. Certainly at six point thirty tonight Live.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to Melbourne where there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of strife, a lot of protests.
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Speaker 1: They are regular this Saturday.
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Speaker 2: There's no footing in Melbourne on the weekend because the
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Speaker 2: finals are into State. So everything's happening in the CBD
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Speaker 2: at Saturday afternoon. Apparently police are very concerned about full protest.
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Speaker 2: We're expecting Danika to have Neo Nazis. There ordinary people
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Speaker 2: complaining about mass immigration, the usual pro Palestinian anti Israeli crowd,
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Speaker 2: and an indigenous protest as well.
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Speaker 1: It sounds ugly.
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Speaker 13: It sounds ugly, and once again I really just feel
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Speaker 13: for the businesses, Chris, because the foot traffic is going
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Speaker 13: to be impacted. People are not going to be able
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Speaker 13: to get in and out of the CBD. It's going
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Speaker 13: to be able to standstill. I mean, you've got literally
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Speaker 13: police saying do not come into the CBD over the weekend.
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Speaker 5: And of course, not to mention once again, we're.
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Speaker 13: Seeing police resourcing spent taking off the beat to attend
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Speaker 13: these protests. It's costing US taxpayers millions of dollars to
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Speaker 13: do so. And it also comes down to Victoria's protest system.
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Speaker 13: Of course they don't have that permit protest that we've
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Speaker 13: got hearing now you.
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Speaker 1: Pay taxes in Victoria.
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Speaker 13: Well well well that's a fair point. But to be honest,
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Speaker 13: I feel bad for the police office has being taken
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Speaker 13: off the beat, Justin. That's a problem.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a quick look at what the police have
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Speaker 2: had to say about all this.
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Speaker 15: What we're seeing is these people using the excuse of
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Speaker 15: lawful and peaceful protest to come together and commit violence
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Speaker 15: against one another. Had to be honest, Victoria police that
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Speaker 15: enough of it. It's gutless.
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Speaker 1: It's a worry, Justin, isn't.
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Speaker 2: They're saying they're expecting violence between these groups. You wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be wandering into town on the Saturday afternoon, would you.
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Speaker 1: Nay, you wouldn't.
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Speaker 14: You certainly wouldn't be taking your kids in. It's a
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Speaker 14: damn shame because you should be able to protest in
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Speaker 14: a great, great city. You should be able to You
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Speaker 14: know that that has a lot of different types of
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Speaker 14: people here. You should be able to have a protest.
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Speaker 14: The police should maybe be there, but it doesn't stop
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Speaker 14: anybody from doing anything. You get the message across, and
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Speaker 14: your voice is heard and that sort of sadly has
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Speaker 14: been drifting away, and the other week we saw the
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Speaker 14: most grotesque example of it, when a Nazi was able
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Speaker 14: to stand on the steps of Parliament House and speak
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Speaker 14: for eight minutes without the crowd stopping them. Eight minutes
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Speaker 14: without somebody stopping, you know, stepping a Nazi.
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Speaker 13: He was booed. He was booed by the crowd. They
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Speaker 13: did not want him there. I agree that he should
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Speaker 13: not have been given the microphone.
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Speaker 1: Should have been taken care.
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Speaker 14: He was introduced to them, he was introduced to the microphone,
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Speaker 14: and he walked up to the microphone and stood there.
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Speaker 14: They introduced him, He put him up there they could
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Speaker 14: have microphone and that there was a big enough out
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Speaker 14: to shout him down, and there was. There may have
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Speaker 14: been some booze in there, but there was plenty of
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Speaker 14: applause as well. It was a bloody, disgraceful moment in
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Speaker 14: the history of Melbourne, but also in the history of
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Speaker 14: Australia when we let a Nazi speak for eight minutes
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Speaker 14: standing out there, and a known one with a criminal
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Speaker 14: record and a history a history of violence against the
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Speaker 14: stand up there and he's still got cheered.
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Speaker 5: The Left are now just focusing on the neo Nazis.
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Speaker 16: Dropped the left garments, dropped the slogans, drop the slogans.
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Speaker 16: What happened was appall the left and not just picking
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Speaker 16: this up because it's a problem. It's actually a problem
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Speaker 16: down it's actually a problem.
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Speaker 1: It is not a made up problem.
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Speaker 5: There were every day mums and dads and that.
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Speaker 1: There word Janika, but justin the other I didn't say
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Speaker 1: there weren't. I didn't say there weren't.
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Speaker 2: But justin every day we've got people out there chanting
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Speaker 2: river to the sea.
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Speaker 1: We've got them out.
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Speaker 2: There chanting into farther into Farda, into Farda. They're in
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Speaker 2: his Bala t shirts, they're in their wave flags and
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Speaker 2: showing posters of terrorist leaders and the police don't arrest
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Speaker 2: those people either. I think we've got to major backing
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Speaker 2: the problem back where extremest, back into the terrorism. It's outrageous,
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Speaker 2: but our police backing terrorism, backing terrorism is disgusting. It's
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Speaker 2: alsoever and of course those people should be and do
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Speaker 2: a problem with the law coming down on them as well.
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Speaker 2: It is let's not use that as a smoke screen
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Speaker 2: for what happened here in Melbourne. I mean, I support
47:31
Speaker 2: what you're saying, but let's not use that as a
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Speaker 2: smoke screen for what happened here. It was incredible, mate,
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Speaker 2: it was a big moment in history.
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Speaker 12: Here.
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Speaker 1: It should be a shamed I wasn't there.
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Speaker 2: But my point is there are extremists regularly protesting and
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Speaker 2: saying despicable illegal things in this country and then not
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Speaker 2: being arrested, and we need governments to lay down the
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Speaker 2: foundations and demand that our police authorities arrest these people.
47:59
Speaker 2: They're all too scared to create a kerfuffle. Well, they
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Speaker 2: need to arrest extremists on either end of the scale
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Speaker 2: instead of just circling the thing and.
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Speaker 1: Hoping it all goes away. Because it's getting.
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Speaker 2: Worse and worse, unbelievable. We don't have much time, it's
48:14
Speaker 2: getting worse. There's no finish on something quite delightful and
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Speaker 2: offbeat and worrying. And Donikki, you had it on PM
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Speaker 2: Live last night, tell us, well, this is a podcast
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, and what's she giving this advice on?
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Speaker 13: This is a sex and lifestyle podcast. And guess what,
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Speaker 13: ladies and gentlemen, he's giving you advice on whether or
48:30
Speaker 13: not if you've got a best friend who sleeps with
48:32
Speaker 13: the guy that you.
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Speaker 5: Like, well, should you cut them off? Let's ask Albo.
48:37
Speaker 3: If she's uncomfortable having an ongoing friendship with someone who
48:43
Speaker 3: she saw her bestie, then she probably should. You know,
48:48
Speaker 3: she needs to feel comfortable. You can't stay friends with
48:52
Speaker 3: someone if it's awkward, so.
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Speaker 1: In commission to that.
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Speaker 3: If it can be sorted out, great, But if not,
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Speaker 3: accept it and move on.
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Speaker 2: That's Alba doing nothing on energy, doing nothing to stop
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Speaker 2: andy Semitism in Australia, nothing to say about terrorism and Jerusalem,
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Speaker 2: but giving sex advice to Australian's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Justin and Denika connection. Catch you
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Speaker 1: next week. Here's Peter Quentin