Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Derrick Warfel: Spiritual And Supernatural Aspects Of UFOs
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- 1:03Welcome, friends, family in Christ.
- 1:05We appreciate you watching, listening, sharing the podcast.
- 1:09Another important topic today, a follow-up interview that we started several months ago on, a topic that I think the church needs to be up to speed on.
- 1:17Today's guest says, The church has been caught off guard before by the Enlightenment, by Darwinism, by liberal theology.
- 1:28UFOs are next, and the church is largely unprepared.
- 1:34We must give believers the biblical framework and answers they need, or culture will do it for us.
- 1:42This is not about whether you believe in little green men.
- 1:45It's about what happens when millions of people are told that beings with superior technology have better answers than God.
- 1:55We'll discuss this next about UFOs and God.
- 1:59Today's guest bringing back Derek Warfel.
- 2:02Sorry, Derek.
- 2:04It's okay.
- 2:05Before I bring you on, I want to give you a website because this is a second interview with you in case a lot of people missed the first one.
- 2:10The websites you guys want to go to are UFOsandGod.com, UFOsandGod.com, and also WinterStarProductions.com, WinterStarProductions.com.
- 2:25The book, UFOs and God, is available on Amazon, and Derek is a producer, director, and also an author, of course, and it's good to have him back.
- 2:36Brother, good to see you.
- 2:36Thanks for your time.
- 2:38Thanks for having me back.
- 2:39I really appreciate it.
- 2:40Hopefully I can give some more information here that will be helpful.
- 2:44Yes, and oh, by the way, friends, I want you to search our first interview.
- 2:47If you missed our first podcast with Derek, go to worldviewmatters.tv, type in Derek Warfel, and we did one on competing worldviews, UFOs and God.
- 3:00We had his book in the title there, so there it is.
- 3:02It comes up if you just search our podcasts, our archives.
- 3:06So, Derek, one thing I wanted to start off with right away, in the introduction, I'm
- 3:12Why UFOs Matter to the Christian Church.
- 3:15You dove right into that before chapter one.
- 3:18So talk about this, and we'll kind of recap what we discussed in our first podcast with you.
- 3:24Well, you know, I'm very interested in worldview.
- 3:27That's what I did when I was at seminary.
- 3:30Because I once heard there were people overseas who were coming to Jesus, but they're
- 3:35they hadn't changed their worldview.
- 3:38It's like literally, they still believed in communicating with the dead.
- 3:41You know, they still believed in a lot of other things, but when you really accept Jesus, it changes everything.
- 3:49And, uh, I mean, I heard people say, well, I'm a Christian, but I believe in UFOs.
- 3:55Uh, and I think the thing is it's, it's a dangerous thing because, um,
- 4:02The common narrative today is that these are visitors from another planet or another galaxy.
- 4:09Why shouldn't we get to know them?
- 4:11Why shouldn't we welcome them?
- 4:13And the big picture is that...
- 4:17They're not visitors from another planet or another galaxy.
- 4:21In fact, they are spiritual supernatural beings, uh, that have been trying to deceive us from the beginning of history.
- 4:28Uh, they are demonic or they're fallen angels or whatever you want to call them, but they're evil spirits.
- 4:35And, uh,
- 4:37You know, I could go through the concept of science.
- 4:39Why this affects us as Christians is that we could be deceived.
- 4:44I even heard a major pastor say, well, you know, God could have created life on other planets.
- 4:49And I agree, God can pretty much do anything he wants almost.
- 4:54But that's not what this is.
- 4:57This is a deception.
- 4:58These are not beings from other planets.
- 5:00And even scientifically, you can prove that.
- 5:03You can prove it because, number one, Earth is extremely unique.
- 5:09It's not just finding a planet with a little bit of water on it.
- 5:13There are 14 minimum, highly tuned conditions that life could not exist on Earth if they weren't in place.
- 5:22The tilt of the Earth, the rotation of the Earth, the Earth immune system for tides, the...
- 5:29asteroid built there's there's a whole number of things that are relevant and uh there as far as we know there is no other planet even though there's billions of other planets that meet those conditions the distance uh you have to travel to the closest star is 4.3 light years away uh that's four years there four years back i just don't see these beings hopping there and back and secondly nothing can travel at the speed of light except light
- 5:59And it would take too much energy.
- 6:00And even if you could travel one tenth the speed of light, your ship would be torn to shreds by space dust and space debris.
- 6:08Space looks like it's empty, but it's not.
- 6:11And the other thing is that the odds of life occurring by chance...
- 6:17are just incredibly remote.
- 6:19I mean, they did a study and it said it was 10 to the 556 power to one for even a simple bacterium to occur by chance.
- 6:29And just by comparison, to win the Powerball lottery, you only need 10 to the ninth power to one.
- 6:36So, you know, so just by science alone, so something's happening because we're seeing things.
- 6:42Well, what is happening?
- 6:44Well, yeah.
- 6:45It cannot be within our current three-dimensional, one-dimension-of-time universe.
- 6:51There's something outside of that.
- 6:54There's another dimension.
- 6:56And if you start talking about other dimensional beings, is there any record of that?
- 7:01In every religion and in every culture, they talk about supernatural beings that are not limited by the same conditions we are.
- 7:11As Christians, we call those beings angels.
- 7:15And I was going to go a little bit since I went into the other stuff before a little bit more into angels and supernatural beings this time, if that's okay.
- 7:23Absolutely.
- 7:24Let's come back to that.
- 7:25But I want to double back, go back and reinforce something you said at the very beginning, because what you said and even the first couple sentences might catch people a little off guard or maybe have a heart.
- 7:37They have a hard time believing it because of all the programming.
- 7:42And I want you to speak to this, Derek.
- 7:44Ancient Aliens is a show.
- 7:47I've never seen it, but apparently it's been running for 20 seasons.
- 7:50Tens of millions of people have watched it.
- 7:52You've spent 40 years in Hollywood.
- 7:54You know how this works.
- 7:56How deliberately has the entertainment industry, documentaries, blockbusters, the History Channel, Nat Geo, Discovery, all these other channels –
- 8:07They talk about aliens and UFOs in a different way other than the Bible, how the Bible addresses it.
- 8:13This shapes what people believe.
- 8:16Oh, yeah.
- 8:17So people already have formed ideas before they understand the biblical worldview.
- 8:22Please speak to that pre-programming and what we are trying to break down here.
- 8:27Yeah, well, I mean, as a writer myself and a person who does films, most of the stuff I do aren't documentaries.
- 8:35They're just narrative, fun action stories.
- 8:38And as a writer, I'm always looking for a new idea.
- 8:42And so are the other writers there.
- 8:44And so if you say, maybe there's life on other planets, you know, let's explore that as a story.
- 8:50And so that's what writers do.
- 8:52They don't necessarily sit down, how can we destroy the Christian faith?
- 8:56Uh, they're just coming up with, and that's why you'll see some stories that are pretty weird.
- 9:01Uh, but they, they obviously, they say they don't want to offend people.
- 9:06So they don't go into religion, but then they go into every other religion except Christianity, you know, but, uh, but, but the point is, uh,
- 9:15I think most of the time it's inadvertent.
- 9:17They're just saying, hey, Marvel Comics, suppose there were superheroes and suppose they were from another dimension and suppose this and suppose that.
- 9:24It would just make an interesting story to explore.
- 9:27But the recent film by Steven Spielberg and some other films, especially documentaries, are coming to the conclusion that, hey, maybe there's a reality that there is life on other planets.
- 9:38And these are very sincere people, I think.
- 9:41Uh, they're just, they, they don't know.
- 9:43They're not starting with Christian faith.
- 9:45And so they're saying, well, uh, suppose there's life on other planets.
- 9:49Maybe that's what this is.
- 9:51And the problem is they're not exploring the possibility that it's not from other planets, but there's from other dimensions and that they're not other beings like us, but they're spiritual beings that have ill, ill, uh, intent on their hearts.
- 10:07And so, um, yeah,
- 10:08You know, I don't know that, you know, most people in Hollywood are out to destroy the Christian faith.
- 10:14They're just exploring possibilities.
- 10:17And people find it interesting to watch.
- 10:19The problem is this is playing right into the hand of these spiritual beings who basically, I believe, are fallen angels.
- 10:28that they are evil spirits that have been around ever since the Garden of Eden.
- 10:34And they would like us to think that they are from another planet, because if they say, well, they're demons, no one's going to listen to that, right?
- 10:42But, and in fact, it's interesting that Jacques Vallée, who's secular,
- 10:48But one of the scientists who study this subject more than anybody else spoke before the UN and he said, these are not intergalactic and interdimensional and intergalactic and interplanetary beings.
- 11:00These are possibly extra dimensional beings.
- 11:06They're trying to engineer a belief that.
- 11:09that they're from another planet because that's more acceptable to us.
- 11:13You know, I think Hollywood, you know, basically is, it's kind of like what it does with the occult and other things.
- 11:21It doesn't make it seem as bad as it is.
- 11:24You know, it's like literally you're just trying to tell a good story.
- 11:27And if you're not a Christian, you just explore anything that's going to sell.
- 11:32And the problem is as Christians, we need people.
- 11:34Probably the next book I write is going to be being an intelligent consumer of movies and television.
- 11:40Because there's – you wouldn't – I mean, I've studied as a writer all the tricks that we as writers use to convince you that we're right and you're not.
- 11:52And there's tricks not only in the craft, in the lighting, in the way the camera angles are set up and everything.
- 11:59And, you know, basically –
- 12:02You need to learn to be an intelligent consumer.
- 12:04Let me just give you an example.
- 12:06In the recent film by Steven Spielberg.
- 12:08Now, Steven, I think, is a believer in extraplanetary beings.
- 12:14And what he does in the film, he sets up these space aliens as sympathetic.
- 12:21They have been tortured by human beings.
- 12:24They picked them up from crashes, and they ran experiments on them, and they tortured them, and so it's like –
- 12:30So you have sympathy towards them, right?
- 12:34On the other hand, the truth of the matter is I've never seen that.
- 12:38What I've seen are hundreds of people who've been experimented on and tortured by these supposedly gray aliens.
- 12:47And I would say some things, but I don't know.
- 12:49There's a family channel.
- 12:50I mean, that's kind of the things that they do are dealing with a sexual nature.
- 12:55And they...
- 12:58I mean, just for a simple thing, the whole thing with cattle mutilations, it's like you think, well, maybe it's a cult that's doing this, some sort of satanic cult.
- 13:08The problem is there's things about the way these cattle are mutilated that it's almost impossible for a human being to do.
- 13:17I've seen an interview with two butchers to say that we couldn't even do this as professional butchers and not leave any blood.
- 13:24I mean, and literally there's things about cattle mutilations that are just kind of otherworldly.
- 13:30It's like the other cattle won't go near them after they've been mutilated.
- 13:34Even carrion animals that will eat, you know, dead flesh won't go near them either.
- 13:39I mean, so there's something otherworldly about these beings and what they do.
- 13:44And they hurt people.
- 13:46They take them on their ships or whatever they do just mentally and say, we're not going to hurt you.
- 13:51And then they hurt you.
- 13:52So they lie.
- 13:53And Jesus says, you can test false teachers by their fruits.
- 14:02And you look at the fruits of these beings, these gray aliens or evil spirits or mothmen or whatever you want to call it.
- 14:11And they're not good.
- 14:13They're bad.
- 14:14Jesus says, a bad tree can't produce good fruit.
- 14:17And these trees do not produce good fruit.
- 14:20Well, Derek, let's go back to the biblical history, the world history, and what happened when one-third of the angelic beings rebelled and were cast out of heaven.
- 14:33Are these some of the spirits that people are saying are UFOs?
- 14:39What is your commentary on that?
- 14:43Yeah, I believe that that's what it is.
- 14:45I mean, you know, there's certainly not carbon-based life forms like us from another planet.
- 14:51So what does that leave you?
- 14:52Well, you look at all of world history, and even in the Christian faith and in other religions, they talk about spirits that are not bound by the same conditions that we are.
- 15:02Well, in the Bible, it sets it up that these spirits were created before God created us.
- 15:08He created a whole species of beings called angels, also called stars, also called sons of God, also called watchers.
- 15:17You know, he created these beings who basically are very, very intelligent, very, very powerful.
- 15:24Think of that.
- 15:25If you're God, you're not going to create losers.
- 15:28You're going to create servants who can do everything that you want done.
- 15:33On the other hand, when God created us, he calls us sheep.
- 15:38And sheep, if you're on the farm, you know it's one of the dumbest animals on the farm.
- 15:42He never calls angels sheep.
- 15:45But at one point, these angels, some of them, one-third of them, the Bible says,
- 15:50literally rebelled against God.
- 15:51Their leader was Lucifer or Satan, we call him.
- 15:55And he said, you know what?
- 15:57I want to become God.
- 15:58I don't want to serve God.
- 15:59I want to be God.
- 16:01And so literally this set up a theological controversy.
- 16:05Donald Gray Barnhouse...
- 16:07but we all have known pastor at 10th Presbyterian Philadelphia, wrote a book called The Supernatural War.
- 16:13And when I read about that, it put everything in place.
- 16:17Why is the things that are happening, happening?
- 16:19I mean, the Bible tells us, Paul tells us, he gives us a glimpse into eternity when he says, we don't struggle.
- 16:27We as humans do not struggle against flesh and blood.
- 16:31Our real problem isn't the boss at work or some other relative or somebody else who's suing us.
- 16:37Our real problem is, as it says, principalities, powers, world forces of darkness, spiritual forces of wickedness in heavenly places.
- 16:48These are spiritual entities, different levels of spiritual entities that are very intelligent and very powerful, that are seeking to deceive us.
- 16:56And they work through other people.
- 16:58They work through other religions.
- 17:00They work through cults.
- 17:02I mean, in fact, they're probably the ones who created the cults and the religions in the first place, because their goal is to get everyone to rebel against God and then set up an alternate kingdom other than God's kingdom.
- 17:13Yeah.
- 17:14And, you know, and so the goal is to divide and conquer, to get the angels to fight against God, to get people to fight against their own families, to get churches to fight against each other, to get nations to fight against each other.
- 17:29Yeah.
- 17:30Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom.
- 17:32Absolutely.
- 17:33We're seeing that played out as part of prophecy, fulfilled prophecy in a way.
- 17:37But that's my next question to you.
- 17:39I wanted to ask you about that.
- 17:40How might the UFO phenomenon be connected to end times prophecy and the rise of a global false religion?
- 17:47Do you cover that in your book?
- 17:49Yes, I do.
- 17:50That's the way.
- 17:51Well, to a certain extent, this is speculation, okay?
- 17:54I've studied a lot about prophecy, and I know what happens.
- 17:58They don't use the word aliens or gray aliens or whatever in the Bible, but they talk a lot about evil spirits.
- 18:08And I believe that what we're dealing with here with these space aliens are evil spirits, or they're possibly robots that the evil spirits are using to do their work.
- 18:19I mean, look at what we can do with robots today.
- 18:22I mean, it's pretty amazing.
- 18:24And they've been around thousands of years.
- 18:26They know so much more about science and biology and other things.
- 18:32I mean, you look at the...
- 18:35magicians that confronted Moses.
- 18:38Look, they could take a stick, throw it on the ground, and it would writhe around like a snake.
- 18:43Well, we can't do that, you know, even as far as we are.
- 18:47I think they're very powerful beings, very smart, and they could be using some of these confrontations.
- 18:55Gray aliens could be robots.
- 18:57I don't know, but I do know the source is the same.
- 19:01The source is evil spirits, and the Bible talks a lot about evil spirits.
- 19:06There's even one thing where these beings come out of the abyss, and they say, well, maybe they're helicopters, or maybe they're this, or maybe they're that.
- 19:16in the book of Revelation.
- 19:17And really, almost every good commentator says they're demonic beings.
- 19:22And so that there are evil spirits, I think, and you'll see this in other chapters in Revelation, there are evil spirits.
- 19:29So, yeah.
- 19:30It's entirely possible that these space aliens and crafts and things we're seeing are going to show up.
- 19:37It's just not mentioned by name that way.
- 19:39But the evil spirits are definitely there all throughout the book of Revelation.
- 19:44And so I give some examples in the book about how that might work out.
- 19:50But let me put it this way.
- 19:51Think about this.
- 19:53if an evil spirit is able to be inside a room with no one knowing it, they could be inside the Chinese military thing, listening to all the secrets that are given, and they could use those to create wars.
- 20:10I mean, literally, I mean, think about it.
- 20:12If you're a fly on the wall in the most secret military base, you know things that no one else in the world knows.
- 20:19And they do cause...
- 20:22people to war against each other.
- 20:24Just read the book of Job, and you find that some of the enemies of Job's children attacked them, but they attacked them on command.
- 20:32It's almost like evil spirits were the ones causing these other tribes to attack Job's children.
- 20:39So they can do that.
- 20:41I believe, chances are, that evil spirits are behind almost every war that's existed in the
- 20:50was demonically controlled.
- 20:52I believe that's entirely possible.
- 20:54And so, as I said, evil spirits.
- 20:57So, you know, and the thing that's scary is that these beings are trying to contact our military and get us to make pacts with them.
- 21:08The head of intelligence in Canada, former head of intelligence, the former head of intelligence in Israel mentioned...
- 21:17That they know about these beings and they're talking to them and these beings want them to join an intergalactic federation.
- 21:27Sounds like Star Trek, doesn't it?
- 21:29So, you know, so what's scary is if we have people in our government that aren't telling us that are making pacts with these beings, they're making pacts with demons.
- 21:37Right.
- 21:38You know, why wouldn't they, you know, and it's interesting.
- 21:43Hitler was very much involved in the occult.
- 21:47He was explored a lot of the different occultic things.
- 21:50You know, so I mean, it's scary that they.
- 21:54Yes, I believe in the book of Revelation that there will be evil spirits and some of them might be what we call space aliens today, or these gray aliens or something like that.
- 22:06So Derek, we're already down to five minutes, and you mentioned UFO spirituality.
- 22:12Is that kind of like people worship the idea of aliens or UFOs?
- 22:16Is this like a religion to some, and how has this captured the minds of young people today?
- 22:23Well, let me go back to just Colossians 2.
- 22:26It says, you know, it says, don't give any result to special days and things like that.
- 22:32Let no one keep defrauding of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of angels, taking stand on visions he's seen.
- 22:41That's right.
- 22:42Inflated without cause in his fleshly mind.
- 22:44Well, what does that sound like?
- 22:47Because holy angels do not accept worship, so these have to be evil angels.
- 22:51And people are worshiping them and giving credence to them.
- 22:56So this has been around for thousands of years.
- 22:59You go back to the ancient Egyptian gods, the ancient Near Eastern gods.
- 23:03People were worshiping them and trying to get guidance from them.
- 23:07I looked up one other thing for you here.
- 23:10One of the major UFO cults or societies is called...
- 23:15the Aetherius Society.
- 23:17Its founder is a guy called George King.
- 23:20Now, George King is a medium.
- 23:23Wow.
- 23:24Of course.
- 23:25And he essentially communicated messages from a supernatural being called Aetherius.
- 23:34Wow.
- 23:34And all their teachings, and the guy who's taken it over today says basically that's the basis of their UFO cults.
- 23:42So you can see that this is, it's very much connected.
- 23:47You know, let me get your picture back on the screen here.
- 23:50But yeah, it's very much connected.
- 23:52And it's interesting to me, there were some people trying to connect with a UFO in the distance.
- 23:57They didn't know how to do it.
- 23:59And so, you know what they did?
- 24:00They pulled out a Ouija board.
- 24:02Oh, of course.
- 24:04Does that tell you, this is connected to the occult.
- 24:08Yes.
- 24:09One other major guy is a guy called Greer, I believe it's Stephen Greer, who basically –
- 24:15has given probably 10 or 20 documentaries online about reaching UFOs.
- 24:21And he says, we can talk to them.
- 24:23The way we do it is through transcendental meditation.
- 24:26Well, transcendental meditation is a branch of Hinduism.
- 24:31You know, and that's Hinduism says there's three hundred and what is it?
- 24:36Thirty three million gods.
- 24:38Yes.
- 24:39You know, well, there aren't 33 million.
- 24:41There might be 33 million fallen angels.
- 24:44You know, there's one God, you know.
- 24:46And it's interesting to me when the Bible talks about angels, it says there were myriads and myriads.
- 24:53Well, a myriad in the Roman times was an actual number of 10,000.
- 24:56You multiply 10,000 by 10,000, you get 100 million.
- 25:00You divide 100 million by one third, and you get 33 million.
- 25:06And they say there's 33 million.
- 25:09gods, you know, I don't know.
- 25:11I think there's a lot more angels than that anyway.
- 25:13But the bottom line is this is very closely connected to the occult.
- 25:19And they're not going to come in and say, hey, we're from the occult.
- 25:22Listen to us.
- 25:23You know, that's right.
- 25:25I want to make sure that people understand this is spiritual at its core.
- 25:31This is a spiritual war.
- 25:32We talked about spiritual warfare.
- 25:34We don't fully understand it.
- 25:36You say in the book 99% of UFO sightings have natural explanations, but there is a spiritual dynamic behind angels and demons.
- 25:45We have to understand principalities from the aspect of the Bible from that perspective.
- 25:50biblical lens and i want to give the websites again and let you wrap it up and give your final thoughts in in a minute uh ufos and god book.com that's where you get the book you can check out derek's work at winter star productions.com and of course you can go to amazon and elsewhere so derek one minute left just what does the church need to do to try to combat some of the the wrong information that people have maybe consumed as truth in the past
- 26:18Well, just understand there's one true God.
- 26:21Jesus Christ is the son of God.
- 26:23There's only one day to salvation.
- 26:24That's through Jesus Christ, not through works.
- 26:27Every other religion is wrong.
- 26:29I mean, basically, just as if you study, you know, right after the Ephesians 6, 12 passage is the armor of the Christian.
- 26:37the belt of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, the feet shod by the gospel.
- 26:42I mean, that's our protection.
- 26:44The other thing is to remember that Jesus says, if you're confronted directly by Satan or a spirit, just submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
- 26:56Because greater is he that's in us than he that's in the world.
- 27:01So, you know, just study Ephesians 6.
- 27:03That's all I got to say.
- 27:04Amen.
- 27:05Brother Derek Warfel, thank you so much for your time.
- 27:08Friends, very important book that just came out recently.
- 27:11Brother, God bless you, and may he continue to guide you in your work.
- 27:15Well, thank you very much.
- 27:16Yeah.
- 27:17Thank you, friends.
- 27:18God bless you.
- 27:19And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
- 27:22We'll see you next time.