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Surface Issues - Episode 2 · Sports Card Clubhouse

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In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout
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the land participating in the hobby.
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There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards, and
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while distance may separate them, here is where they come
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together to talk cards. You know, Mike, you, you know
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that you've made the big time when you have an intro.
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I am obsessed with that intro. Yeah, so henchy.
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It's pretty fun. It's pretty fun, yeah.
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So I thought it would be fun. And we have a little outro with
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kind of the first cousins to the same sort of sound.
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So yeah, I mean, we're evolving quickly.
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We already have one. What do they, what do they say
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that it's canned, it's in the can or it's, I don't know what
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they say in the business. Me neither.
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All right, well, we've got one down and we're going on #2 right
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now. How would you describe, First
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off, before we get into our main topic today, how would you
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describe the reception acceptance of this new concept?
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Since when we first recorded we hadn't even told anyone we were
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doing it. And here we are six days later.
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How would you say that those six days go better than expected as
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expected? What?
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What do you think? I would say better than
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expected. I think that more people listen
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to the podcast than I expected for a brand new podcast.
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Way more people watched the YouTube video and subscribe to
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YouTube than I expected. I was blown away by the
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reception. There were a couple of negative
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comments from people, which is fine.
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I don't, I mean, I, if it's constructive, I like it, but
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there were a couple of little negative Nancy's that whatever.
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But the vast, vast, vast majority were very positive,
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encouraging subscribe. Can't wait for more.
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And I've reached out because I have a new podcast I'm rolling
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out and I had a next 10 to 14 days or so.
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And I have reached out to a handful of people and asked them
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to be guests and they are excited about it.
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And, you know, you're just trying to get guests for a new
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podcast idea. I didn't expect to be this easy.
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Yeah, it, I think I, I agree completely.
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I think that people have been overwhelmingly positive.
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You know, there's always and I again, you have to focus on the
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99%, not the 1% and the 99%. It's been fantastic and, and I'm
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excited and I had fun last time. And you know, I like this format
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so much 'cause one of my favorite things is to just talk
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about stuff and, and ask questions and bounce stuff off
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of other people. And it can be whatever topic we
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want. And is like we're, we're not
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going in with like a reader's notes like we have a topic, OK,
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agree on the topic, yes, OK, play and so or record.
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So it's it's very much just a natural conversation as if we
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were talking on the phone on our drive home from work, so.
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Yeah, I love it too. And, and I didn't.
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I don't take any notes. I don't prep anything for this,
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which might be a mistake. I know.
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I'm by saying that I'm opening myself up to comments that say
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you should have brought some notes, but I'm not going to.
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Yeah, I think it's less natural with notes.
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I never do notes, so I'm good with it.
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So here's something that happened, and this is going to
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be our topic for today, and I'm going to tell a story of how
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this became the topic. So, so I'm in a few different
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text groups with different collectors, which I love.
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I, I love, you know, people pick a card up and they'll share it
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or they'll see a video and they'll have an opinion and
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they'll share it. And so there's a few different
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groups that I'm in a text group with, one of which has myself,
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Theo Dylan, double D vintage cards and Theo obviously
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Clemente collector, Adam, our, our, you know, third amigo and
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of, of splendid sports and John Mangini.
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And so we were John Mangini was on professor sports cards the
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other day, who's a channel who's been around for a little bit,
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but he's recently gotten a lot of attention and he's been
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putting out tons and tons of content, going live like 3-4
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days a week for like a couple of hours.
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Had interviews with Chris Sewell, interviews with Gio, a
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bunch of big names in, in the, the hobby community.
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And so Mangini was on and Mangini was giving his opinion
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on some things and you know, as we all like to do.
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And Mangini was talking about a few topics.
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One of the topics was he was talking about graded vintage
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carts. And he was, he was thinking, I
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mean, where did these all come from?
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You know, like, I don't remember for years, I don't remember ever
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seeing graded or autographed. Did I say graded autographed
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vintage cards 'cause I don't remember seeing autographed
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vintage cards. And, and then toward the end, he
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started saying, yeah, I don't think we should tell people how
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they should be collecting or what they should be doing.
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So in this text group that I'm in with John, I go, John, I go
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come on you. You said, you said we shouldn't
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be telling people how to collect.
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At the end after you kind of said you're not so sure about
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autographed vintage cards like for like 20 minutes, Like how
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does that fit? And John said, I didn't say you
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shouldn't collect autographed vintage cards.
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What I said was I'm a little skeptical about some of these
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guys who weren't like Bob Feller, who signed everywhere,
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you know, and there were a few of those types of guys Orlando
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Cepeda signed forever. He goes, I'm a little skeptical.
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And I was just giving my opinion.
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I wasn't saying you shouldn't collect it.
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I was just saying I'm a little skeptical of it.
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And then Adam jumped in and Adam said that's a great topic for a
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video. He said, is telling your opinion
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or sharing your opinion, telling other people what they should or
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shouldn't do. And I was like, I'm stealing
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that idea. And they're like, they're all
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like, yeah, do it. That would be super interesting.
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And in fairness, I was like, that's true.
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John, you, you didn't say don't go collect autographed vintage
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cards. If you do, you're an idiot.
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He just was giving his opinion about how he is skeptical of it
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and then that he didn't really say that's something you should
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or shouldn't do. So my question to you is because
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I think we all do it, we all share our opinions all the time.
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That's part of what this whole medium is, is sharing opinions
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on things. When we're sharing our opinions,
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are we directly, indirectly, subconsciously?
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Are we telling other people what they should be doing?
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I, I think it can come across that way and I think it depends
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on how you phrase things. And, and I, I hate that we're,
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I'm going to add on to the mangini stuff here.
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And I have the utmost respect for him as a person, as a
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collector in that video. He's nearly the beginning.
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I hope I don't misquote him, but he started out by saying I think
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this, I think this, I think this three different opinions started
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with I think, and then he said those are all just factual and
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they can't be factual if they are your opinions.
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But I think that by starting sentences with I think it
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protects himself from being from people saying you're telling us
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how to collect. And I think it's smart of John.
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I'd do my best to say things like that as well, to say I
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wouldn't buy these things but or I believe this, but sometimes I
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fail at that. I'm sure every YouTube fails at
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that, and I'm sure that some viewers take that as us telling
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them how to collect. Yeah, so you just said something
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and and I am going to take notes from time to time and I said
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this last time when other people say things, a lot of the times I
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will write it down because I don't want to then misquote what
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they just said. But you just said they can't be
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factual if they're your opinions.
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Well, some opinions are factual. Then they're not, so they're
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facts. Right.
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But if I OK, so let me ask you fairpoint.
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So if I said I think PSA is grading harder now than they did
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in the middle 1990s, I think that's a fact.
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I think that's an indisputable fact, but it's an opinion.
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But it's really a fact, right? I I think a lot of people would
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argue it and there isn't enough data tonight.
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I'm a date. I've worked in data for almost
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20 years. There is data to say this is
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really compelling, but we would need to really get into far more
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data than we have access to, to be able to say convincingly that
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they are grading hard. And I do believe, I also believe
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that they're grading harder, to be clear, but I don't think we
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can say it is a fact that they're grading harder.
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I think it's extremely compelling.
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It's probably 95% plus chance they're grading harder or
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higher, but it's not a it's not a scientifically proven fact.
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How far from the mean do we have to get before it's
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scientifically proven? I mean, every single survey has
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does have a margin of error, but you looking at data knows that
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for something to be, you know, statistically significant.
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You know, I mean, I took, I took a couple of stats classes in, in
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college. So I, I know enough to be
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dangerous, but it, it you have to get way, you have to get way
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out to the edges. I don't know, OK, but we're now
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we're getting into the weeds. So back, back.
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Let let me pull this back in because I, I drove us off a
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Cliff there. So let's let's focus on on the
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real, the real topic, which is when people are giving opinions,
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are we indirectly steering people along the way that we are
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thinking? And is that a problem or is that
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a good thing? Because when I listen to sports
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talk radio, which to me this is just sports card talk radio,
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basically all it is is opinions. It's, it's that what this is
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what the GM should do with the team.
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We, we got to get rid of this guy and trade him for this guy.
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And the whole thing is opinions. They're not facts.
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But if people are taking those opinions and making changes to
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what they're doing, then maybe those opinions are, are
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indirectly telling people what to do.
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Is this something we need to be more careful of, like as
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collectors, as people who have voices in the space?
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I used to listen to a lot of sports card radio.
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Sports talk radio. Wei out of Boston was my radio
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station for years. 15 years maybe.
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And those guys are trained to state their opinions as fact,
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right? I'm trying to think of a good
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example. Alex Redman.
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Bregman sucks and they will say it forcefully and and with with
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meaning. Of course Alex Bregman doesn't
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suck. But you get the point and I am I
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I I can't bring myself to do that.
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I think it makes for better radio when they do that.
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I think it makes for better YouTube.
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But for me, my opinions are for me and I want to share them in
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some cases, but I also don't want to make it seem like my
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opinions are right and that I struggle with it.
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I think about it on every single video and I know I miss it
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sometimes, but every time I'm talking about cards on a video,
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I remind myself to say I believe this instead of saying something
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that that I I believe as fact. And I think that you can get
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yourself in trouble with commenters or or whatever when
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you're stating your opinion as fact.
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So if I said something like Mickey Mantle is a safer place
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to spend money on cards than Drake May, is that an opinion or
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is that a fact? It is your opinion.
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It's nuanced because some people will think, well, Drake May has
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a big runway. He could have a card that's
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$1000 today and it's worth $10,000 in a month if he goes on
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a four O run with 1200 yards in those four games, Probably not
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going to go up 10X. But Mickey Mantle, his cards
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aren't going to 10X in a month. So it feels like a lot of the
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times we give our opinions, but people maybe receive them as
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facts. Or is it that sometimes we don't
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put the qualifier in there where we say, well, I mean, in my
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opinion, I think this where we should be putting it in because
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I don't, I don't want the responsibility.
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I don't want to tell anyone what to do.
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I that is the last thing I want to do.
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What I like doing is I like talking about ideas and concepts
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like this. Like when I go up to a vintage
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dealer at the National and he says, you know, you're a moron
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if you go by, you know, I don't know, some, some break or buy
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into some break or you buy some repack product or something.
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You're an idiot if you do that. And, and he's stating it as a
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fact. But, but it, it is an opinion.
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It might at times be opinions I agree with, but I, I don't know,
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I mean, it, it's, it sounds, it sounds like we're we're, you
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know, just kind trying to dice something that's not really
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there. But I think that it's a big
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thing because I think that there are times where we give our
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opinions and it comes across as if it's a fact.
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Well, so and so said this and it's like, well, you know,
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there's more to it than that. I think that there's context and
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I think that there's, you know, what did they say about the rest
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of the topic? I mean, I don't know.
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I don't know. Well, if you say as a YouTube
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sports card, YouTube, if you say breaks are a scam, breaks are a
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RIP off and if you join them, you're an idiot.
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You're just limiting your audience because a lot of people
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who watch that are going to immediately shut you off and
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never watch you again. But at the same time, they're on
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the flip side. A lot of people will like that
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and like you more. Yeah, One of the things I
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actually get the most heat about from people who watch the
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channel or, you know, comment and, and, or meet me and talk to
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me or send me messages. Some of the most heat I get is
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that I don't take a strong stance enough on certain topics.
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There are certain topics that they just, in their opinion,
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it's a fact that it's a bad thing and I won't get up there
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and I won't declare it to be a bad thing.
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And, and on the opposite side of that, there are the times where
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I'll be talking to. So here I'm I don't know if I'm
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going to pivot us into a new conversation while continuing
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this one, but I'm going to do it anyway because it, it's where my
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head is and it's what I'm thinking about.
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So there have been a few people who over the last month,
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especially the rumblings have getting gotten louder of people
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saying we why do we care about values so much?
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It doesn't. Values are becoming a problem
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because too many foot people are just focused on values.
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This is just a hobby. We should just be having fun.
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And as soon as you start talking about values, then a lot of the
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fun and the innocence goes away. So I then put a poll on on my
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channel and, and if you're going to watch this on YouTube, I'm
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going to put it up on the screen.
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I did a poll of my audience and I said the question was, you
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know, I'm working on an upcoming episode, which best describes
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you. And the options were I don't
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care at all about card values. Another option was I care a
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little bit about card values. Another option was card values
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definitely matter to me and then one said I only care about card
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values and 91% of the people were in one of the categories
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that does care about card values.
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Only 9% of the people who responded there said I don't
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care about card values at all. So if I'm doing a show that I
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want to appeal to a fair amount of people and and I and to me,
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card values mean at least something.
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It's certainly not everything but it, but it mean it's part of
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the equation that I care about maybe less than some people,
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certainly more than some people. Then then shouldn't I be talking
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to the 91% instead of the 9%? Yes.
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So then if I say. If you want a big audience, yes.
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I but that's that a big audience has never been the goal.
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I know that some I know people say you're.
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Oh, OK, Greg. No seriously.
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Yeah, I know we did. But so.
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So I feel like what I'm trying to it's it's the same reason I
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do a monthly video where it's cards under $50.
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It's sold on eBay because 91% of the audience are buying cards
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that are less than $50. They're not buying $10,000
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cards. So if my channel is just about
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$10,000 cards, I'm talking to like 2 percenters.
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I'm not talking to normal people.
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And if there's anything that I am, it's regular.
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I am I am regular. Eating a lot of fiber.
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Well, so I don't know, I mean your thoughts on.
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So when I am talking about value, some people are hearing
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me saying this guy just keeps talking about value and 91% of
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the audience is intrigued by that and 9% are he keeps telling
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us that value is important. And what I'm trying to do is
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say, I'm trying to tell you the value is important at least
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somewhat to me. So isn't it the same sort of
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thing where when I'm talking about a topic that I'm
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interested in and most people are, that I'm actually talking
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to the broader audience, but then there are other people who
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want to watch maybe, but they're like, tired of me talking about
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value? Yeah.
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And I would say that there's a good chunk of that 9%, maybe
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even all of them that are interested in hearing those,
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those videos that still watch them.
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And so by only talking about things that aren't related to
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value of cards, you I think wouldn't last very long as a
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YouTube or, or, or no, I'm sorry, you would have a, a
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YouTube channel that would be much smaller.
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And there are great channels out there that focus on cards.
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Sets only talk about the backgrounds, that only talk
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about the the history of cards and sets and the players behind
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them. And those are great channels,
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but they tend to be smaller. And John Mangini touched on this
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as well. You talk about cards, you don't
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get views. You talk about values, You talk
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about stories, you talk about scams, you talk about those
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things. You get a lot of views.
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That's just human nature. So let me ask you, I mean, I, I
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don't know if you got a chance. We're recording this on Friday,
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September 19th. Did you get a chance to listen
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to or watch the episode that I recorded with Darren are Off
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topic and Jake and Matt from Providence about values and and
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whether values have gotten carried away with the importance
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and if that's taken away from the hobby and if you did hear it
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or you didn't hear, what's your take on that?
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Yeah, I watched probably 3/4 of it today.
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I didn't get through the last quarter of it yet.
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It's very good video. I think that I'm trying to think
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of what was noteworthy that I, I I don't recall anything other
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than Matt being very he was he was pretty funny as he always
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is. Like, what am I doing here?
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This is long form is not for me, but I don't remember
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specifically anything that I took away from it off the top of
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my head. I was kind of working at the
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same time as listening. Sure.
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Yeah. I just think that it's, I think
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that and, and I've used, I think I've used this example a couple
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of times, but you know, a few years ago, in fact, I used it
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fairly recently, but I'll, I'll share it now to kind of defend
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my take, which is IA few years ago we bought a used boat and,
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and I didn't even really think twice about buying the used boat
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because it was like, it was like 5000.
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I think it we paid 4500 or 5500, I can't remember which.
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And you know, this little 20 foot boat that we would take out
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on the lakes and, and have a good time and, and people were
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like, whoa, you bought a boat? And I'm like, yeah, but if I
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wanted to sell it tomorrow, I could get the same money out of
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it. So it's whether the money is
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sitting in my savings account or whether the money is sitting in
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a boat doesn't really matter. So it made it a lot easier for
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me to spend money on a used boat that was 18 years old that was
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fully depreciated instead of spending it on, you know, a trip
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or an expensive television or furniture for the back patio or
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something that in two years will be literally just haul it to the
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dump. And so when something is a value
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store for me, it gives me more permission to actually purchase
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it. So one of the reasons that I am
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more OK spending money on cards is because if something happened
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and I need to get rid of them, in most cases, I'm going to get
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at least most of my money back. And, and because of that storage
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of value with potential upside and potential some downside, it
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it it that that matters a lot to me as being a participant in a
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hobby because the risk is so low.
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I'm not going out and buying brand new Golf clubs that three
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days later, if I tried to sell them, you can only get 70% of
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your money back 'cause they're no longer brand new.
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Like does that make sense? Yeah.
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And I think the biggest points that I took from that is that
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you have a yacht for one, and for two, you throw away all of
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your furniture every two years and replace it.
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I, I, I, I think I must have done a fantastic job
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communicating my thoughts. I don't know.
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I mean, is it it it? It feels to me that the norm is
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actually to not. It is to care about value, not
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to not care. So should the people who don't
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care, should they just not watch?
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No, they, they should watch whatever they want to watch.
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And I think that they're OK with us talking about value.
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Like I have people who have never graded a card before, like
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I'm sure you do, who love watching my channel and hearing
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about these stories and the scams and whatever else.
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But they never grade a card. They'll watch graded card
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reveals and I say I like PSA slabs, I like SGCI, like CGC,
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and they don't, but they don't take offense to it because I'm
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not saying you're an idiot if you hate these companies.
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Is collect the card not the grade?
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Is that is that a fact or is that an opinion?
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It's neither. That's not an opinion.
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It's more like a slogan. So buy the card, not the grade
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isn't an it's a philosophy. It's a philosophy.
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OK, well, what are some things that cause and I and I want to
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circle back to the are we telling people how to collect?
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When when I'm sharing how I collect and and what I like, And
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I mean when when I say, you know, these 1888 Allen and
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Ginter pirate cards are the shiz when I say that I'm not telling
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anybody how to collect right when I say they're beautiful, I
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love them. Those are all opinions.
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When I say I'm I really like the looks of of pre war non sport
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cards. Those are just opinions.
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They're not facts. But there are times where other
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people, I feel like and see part of it is, is when you're
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speaking, you don't know how you're received.
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Like when I, when I do a video on something, it's like some
28:07
people say you're, you're telling us what to do.
28:11
That's bad advice. You know that you're an idiot.
28:13
And then other people will say, totally agree with you and
28:17
you're like, you don't really. And that's the the hard part
28:20
about communication is that every person who is receiving
28:26
the communication receives it differently based on the
28:30
baggage, the opinions, their previous experiences, their,
28:35
their thought process. They all receive it differently.
28:38
But there are a lot of times where I feel like I'm, I think
28:41
that I'm presenting an opinion, but somebody thinks I'm forcing
28:49
facts down their throat or I'm telling people what to do.
28:53
I mean, every single time I do a video about that mentions SGC or
28:58
PSA, every single time I get at least one comment that says
29:03
that's why I buy ungraded because that whole grading
29:06
thing's a scam. I buy raw cards.
29:10
It's like, yeah, I mean, that's great.
29:14
Did I tell you you shouldn't buy raw cards?
29:16
I've never said buying raw cards is a dumb idea.
29:20
But I have said one of the things I'm a little bit
29:24
concerned about with buying raw cards is it's less widely
29:30
accepted the quality and the value of the card.
29:35
Like a lot of dealers want to deal in raw cards because
29:40
there's less information that can be agreed upon and so it
29:45
creates wider margins. They can say, well, that card
29:48
probably would grade about a three and then as soon as they
29:51
own it, that card would probably grade about a six.
29:54
And now there's more margin. But if it's in a six, we can
29:58
generally agree it's somewhere between A5 and A7, you know, And
30:03
so it widens the potential upside.
30:08
And I think to a certain extent pre war.
30:11
And, and that's one of the things that the whole movement
30:14
of of I appeal is, is, well, that card is a better than a
30:21
normal 3 because it looks like a A6.
30:27
And I'm, I'm sure I'm guilty of that too.
30:29
But that's one of the things with the with the I appeal
30:32
movement is all of a sudden the grade becomes less important
30:38
when I appeal is introduced. Yeah, absolutely.
30:41
I think when you have a especially a lower grade card or
30:45
a card of varied condition, let's say let's say you have a 5
30:51
and it looks like an 8 then to me, but I appeal this very it's
30:57
in the eye of the beholder, right.
31:03
You have a 5. It looks like an 8 to me, but to
31:07
PSA it didn't. And so the value of that card is
31:11
in like a high 5 probably if it's well centered, doesn't have
31:15
anything on the on the front, you're probably going to pay
31:18
high 5, low 6 prices for that card.
31:22
But to me, I would treasure that card because it looks like an 8
31:27
in my I appeal book. So in your opinion, how much are
31:36
you willing to pay above the, the grade on the holder or a
31:44
card that looks significantly better in your I appeal
31:48
preference range? Does that it it do you still say
31:52
it's, I mean, I mean, I was with you at the National.
31:55
I, I saw you going around some tables and go, you know, I don't
31:58
know, like, you know, that's way high for the grade.
32:01
I mean, we still say. That yeah.
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And you did a great video on this where you said exactly my
32:07
feelings where I want to get paid more for my high.
32:11
I appeal cards, but I don't want to sell it.
32:15
I don't want to. How did it go?
32:18
I want to buy it for the grade, but I want to sell it for the
32:21
look basically. Exactly, and like I said, I you
32:25
know, I think if you have AI have a great PSA authentic Ted
32:29
Williams 1949 leaf and it looks it looks like a maybe A4 or A5,
32:35
but it has paper loss on the back at the time before before
32:39
the whole I appeal movement really took and took steam a
32:43
couple years ago, I bought this card at low PSA authentic
32:48
prices. I think I paid $550 for it and I
32:54
think it's worth well over $1000.
32:58
I wouldn't have paid well over $1000 for it.
33:03
I would have waited for another PSA authentic that is priced
33:06
like APSA Authentic or a 1.5 to come along.
33:11
Yeah. So you're like me where you want
33:14
to, you want to pay the range of the number, but then you want
33:21
to. I want to have my cake and eat
33:23
it too, right? Well, I mean, at least we have
33:27
that in common. And, and I, I, I mean, I, I got
33:33
a lot of, I got a lot of kickback on that, that video.
33:36
And I'm like, I, I'm just being honest.
33:39
Like, I mean, that's the thing too is when I'm being honest,
33:45
you know, there's always going to be an opinion about that.
33:49
And not a lot of people will say that they won't.
33:54
They won't say I want to buy it for the number, But if I had to
33:59
sell it, which what I generally do is the cards that I do buy
34:05
that I think how high I appeal for the grade because of this
34:11
whole, you know, catch 22 for our literary friends.
34:16
It's what happens is you end up just keeping the card because
34:23
you aren't willing to sell it or what others would agree that
34:29
it's worth it. It it's, you know, we all, we
34:32
all think our kid is the best kid on the team because we
34:38
remember all the little times that our kid did something that
34:43
was really good that nobody else noticed.
34:46
You know, we see all the good in what our kid is doing, but we're
34:50
quick to forget the bad part of what our kid is doing.
34:54
And I think it's the same thing with our cards.
34:56
It's like we focus on the things about them that are great and
35:01
the things that other people might be annoyed by.
35:03
Like the low number on it. We're like, but they, but
35:06
they're but it's great, right? Yeah, absolutely.
35:13
I want cards that are low grade, high eye appeal, because maybe
35:19
in 25 years, 30 years, when I go to sell these, maybe I appeal
35:22
will be far more important than it is now.
35:25
But I don't have the budget. I want to have a lot of cards
35:27
and I don't have the budget to buy a lot of cards that are
35:31
higher grade. So I'd rather buy low grade,
35:33
high. I appeal.
35:35
Is the I Appeal movement an opinion or a fact?
35:40
Oh, it's everybody's opinion and it's different.
35:44
Like Dylan and I probably have different opinions of eye
35:47
appeal. I don't remember is he is he
35:49
anti centering or is he very high?
35:51
I can't. Remember.
35:51
Are you kidding? I know he has an extreme take
35:54
and I can't remember which one. It is it, it's, it is it
35:57
extreme? It has to be well centered.
36:00
Yes, I am with Dylan, Dylan and I agree on that.
36:03
No, no, no, I'm not talking about is is your opinion of of
36:07
what is a high eye appeal might be different than mine.
36:09
Some people are all about packed fresh eye appeal and some people
36:12
are all about centered eye appeal, like some are high color
36:16
or high registration I appeal, some are a combination of those
36:19
things. What I'm asking about is the
36:21
movement. A minute ago you said the high I
36:24
appeal movement has affected things.
36:28
Is the movement that you just cited.
36:30
Is that a a factual thing that that there is actually an an
36:37
actual universally agreed upon thing that cards that look good
36:44
for the grade should and are worth more than the ones that
36:49
don't look good for the grade? Or is that just an opinion that
36:53
we think that those cards are worth more because of the fact?
36:59
It's an opinion for sure and I I think that there's more.
37:02
There is a movement I believe that started and there's even a
37:05
website coming out pretty soon called I Appeal where you can
37:10
upload cards. And anyway, it's not my website,
37:14
but it's, it's pretty awesome. I'm, I'm excited about it.
37:17
But yeah, it is an opinion that cards with high I appeal should
37:22
sell for more and do sell for more.
37:25
Sometimes they don't. What's a fact then give me a
37:28
fact because we started this and we're we're getting close to,
37:32
you know, we want to kind of keep these around 4045 minutes
37:35
and we're at 37 1/2. So to circle back, what is a
37:41
fact then give me a fact about the hobby A.
37:45
Fact is that PSA is grading more cards than anybody else.
37:51
Another fact is the SGC is grading fewer cards than they
37:55
were six months ago. Because you have concrete data
38:00
to back that up. Yes.
38:03
But an opinion is PSA is grading harder than they were five years
38:08
ago? That may be a fact.
38:12
It, it is. It's a fact.
38:17
I mean, come on. But yeah, here's.
38:19
No, you're right. Here's an opinion.
38:21
PSA sucks. OK, that's a strong opinion.
38:27
I'm not willing to go there and I will have people in the
38:32
comments that will will be pissed that I was unwilling to
38:37
say that PSA sucks. And there are other people that
38:40
are going to be pissed that you did say PSA sucks.
38:43
And I don't know if you were speaking that that's actually
38:45
your opinion or that that's just an example of an opinion.
38:49
But there are people on both sides of that.
38:52
And I, and it's interesting to me and, and this is a topic for
38:55
another show, but why is it that the grading company debates and
39:03
conversations are, in my opinion, the most polarizing
39:10
topics and conversations and videos.
39:13
I will have more thumbs downs in a video where if I go all in on
39:20
STC, I'll have a bunch of thumbs downs.
39:22
If I go in all in on PSA, I'll have a bunch of thumbs downs.
39:26
It's really interesting that sharing opinions, not facts, but
39:31
opinions about those two grading companies get people really
39:37
worked up more so than saying, you know, Willie Mays is better
39:42
than Mickey Mantle. Like people go well, you know,
39:45
but but you say PSA is better than SGC or vice versa.
39:49
And people are ready to, you know, set you on fire.
39:54
It's tribal. And it's it's about value
39:56
because if I have my entire collection in SGC slabs and you
40:01
have your video come out where you say bad things about SGC, I
40:05
get offended because that's my that's my collection, which is
40:10
not true. But that that is what happens
40:13
with people. And people also have chosen
40:15
sides. I think that if you are APSA
40:20
person, you. Get very upset if people point
40:24
out flaws with PSA. If you're an SGC person, you're
40:27
very upset if people point out that PSA is dismantling SGC.
40:33
That's just it's, it's tribal, it's side picking, it's
40:38
political. There's a lot of things going on
40:41
with grading and grading videos. All right, I like it.
40:48
I was listening to Chris Sewell and Jeremy the Texas Snowman on
40:55
yesterday. It's a great video.
40:57
And Jeremy was asking how Chris got to the at the end, how he
41:04
says eat your vegetables. And he said he used to just give
41:07
like 5 quick hits at the end of all the episodes and then that
41:12
one kind of stuck. So I'm curious for you just for
41:16
this one, just to wrap it up because we've talked about doing
41:18
some fun stuff too. I want to give you an
41:22
opportunity to tell me one thing in any category in anything in
41:26
the world, one thing that's severely overrated and one thing
41:31
that's severely underrated go overrated.
41:34
The TV show Friends Which? On your video on Friday, you
41:39
said you mentioned must see TV, and the only show you mentioned
41:43
was must see TV was Friends when Seinfeld was right there.
41:47
Greg Seinfeld For the record, I I hate the.
41:51
Show friends. OK yes yes I hate the show
41:55
friends. I used it because my
41:57
understanding what I remember is NBC had one night of the week
42:02
that was like NBC must see TV and it was friends night.
42:05
But I could be wrong. I don't like friends.
42:07
My wife watches, Friends were both OK Thursday nights.
42:11
OK, well, there you go. So.
42:13
Overrated thing, friends. Most underrated thing.
42:17
Most underrated? Thing man, this is a tough one
42:26
boy, you got me here. I don't know.
42:35
I well, you tell me what your most underrated thing is.
42:39
Well, I I, I literally just thought.
42:41
Up this concept 4 minutes ago as you were speaking.
42:44
So I'm going to needle you a little bit on this.
42:48
So I'm going to I'm going to go with something that's going to
42:50
it's going to, it's going to irk you, which is, you know, part of
42:54
the fun. So the I'll start with the
42:56
underrated, most underrated thing, one of the most.
43:00
Underrated things is. Hiking, hiking is fantastic.
43:04
Love to hike, be in nature, be surrounded by beautiful stuff
43:09
and not just look down at the trail, the ground, not just have
43:13
your phone out as you're hiking, but actually getting fresh air,
43:18
exercise, looking around where I live out in in the community in
43:22
which we live, we have like 20 miles of single track hiking and
43:28
biking trails and it's beautiful.
43:31
And the only reason I don't go more often is because I used to
43:34
take my dog with me all the time and she loved it.
43:37
And when I lost my dog it it took some of the joy out.
43:41
But underrated is going to be hiking overrated just to needle
43:48
you? And I do believe it is horror
43:50
movies. Man, I love horror movies.
43:56
I also love hiking and I went for a hike on Tuesday.
43:58
I sent you at least one photo out there with my 15 year old
44:02
and it was amazing. I hadn't been on the trails in
44:04
years because I used to be a trail runner.
44:05
We also have dozens of miles of trails.
44:07
Biking and running trails are all around our neighborhood and
44:10
I used to go out and run and bike virtually every day for
44:14
years. But because of my foot injury, I
44:16
haven't in a few years. And so I got out there, loved
44:19
it. I'm going to go underrated here
44:22
since I I still have, don't, haven't used my underrated plain
44:26
water, just tap water. Drinking it plain has now become
44:31
underrated because most people are like adding flavoring to it
44:34
and they're doing all kinds of weird stuff.
44:35
At my office, everybody is using a Bevy cooler and they swear,
44:41
they think it's the grown. If you don't use this, you're an
44:43
idiot, they say. They don't really say that, of
44:45
course, but people told me I had to 'cause I'm drinking plain
44:49
water at my desk, I had to try this special Bevy cooler.
44:52
And you can add caffeine to it. You can add flavors and you can
44:55
do all this stuff. And so I tried a few of them and
44:57
I'm like plain water. Plain water is the place to be.
45:02
And they, they think I'm the old guy and I am the old guy.
45:04
I'm the oldest on my 30. There's seventeen of us in
45:11
Maine, and I am the oldest of all of us.
45:15
I have to do. A quick follow up, when you say
45:17
water though, what's the worst bottled water and what's the
45:21
best bottled water? I can't tell the difference I
45:24
usually. Buy Dasani because it's it's so
45:27
cheap. Because it's literal tap water.
45:30
I cannot tell the difference between any sort of bottled
45:33
water. Oh my gosh, everyone.
45:35
Out There is going to fully agree when I say the worst one
45:38
is Arrowhead. It's awful, I've never heard of
45:41
it. You've never heard of Arrowhead?
45:43
Water. Is this a West Coast thing?
45:46
My gosh. Not not out here.
45:48
Have you heard of Dasani? I just said that's all I ever
45:51
buy is Dasani. And Poland Spring too, which is
45:53
amazing. I'm sorry, you said Dasani have.
45:55
You ever heard of Evian? Of course, Yeah, I would never
45:58
pay for it. Because you're paying.
45:59
That's the best one. 3X and it tastes exactly the same.
46:04
It does not. Taste like Arrowhead.
46:06
All right, Well, that we're at 46 minutes.
46:09
This was fun. Again, the goal is once a week,
46:12
but no promises because life happens.
46:15
Anything. Any closing parting shots you
46:18
want to say before we end this? No, I think this is good.
46:24
Go watch horror movies. Yeah, 'cause.
46:28
That's where I want to use my emotions and my energies is on a
46:33
ridiculous movie. So all right, well #2 in the
46:39
books, Onward and Upward, we have big things in store, lots
46:45
of plans. Things are going to be unfolding
46:47
over time. So thanks for listening.