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#85 Cayla George - How My Sister-In-Law Gifted Me A Baby · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: I'm doing my best to give you a seductive.
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  Speaker 2: Wink that can only mean one thing.
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  Speaker 1: My God, I want to take you into my bedroom
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  Speaker 1: and have my way with you. Not again, just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a bonus episode.
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  Speaker 2: We do yes Ozzi. Pro basketballer Kayla George has stopped
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  Speaker 2: by just before she lands in Paris for the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: Not sure how she managed to fit us in because
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  Speaker 1: she lives a pretty hectic life playing for the Women's
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  Speaker 1: National Basketball League. She's also mum to beautiful little Pearl,
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  Speaker 1: who's flown more flights than any adult I know, following
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  Speaker 1: her mum across the globe to support her on the sidelines.
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  Speaker 2: Female pro athletes live pretty hectic lives and sometimes it
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  Speaker 2: can be a little bit difficult for them to find
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  Speaker 2: time with their kids.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why Kayla's story becoming a mother is so special.
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  Speaker 1: She was gifted a child by a family member. But
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  Speaker 1: this is a story that's not unique to the Torri
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  Speaker 1: Strait Islander community.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, it's a crazy story. Should we just get
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  Speaker 2: straight into it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Welcome back to two doting dads and
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  Speaker 1: one doting mum. I'm Maddy Jay I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Ash and I'm Kayla George.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, very well done.
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  Speaker 1: Sound like.
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  Speaker 2: Live with Kayla George.
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  Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
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  Speaker 1: it is the bad, and and we never give advice, Kayla.
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  Speaker 1: We always say, if you're wanting advice, stop right now
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else, turn the podcast off, and run as fast
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  Speaker 1: as you can. However, if you like to give any advice, great,
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  Speaker 1: If you don't want to give advice.
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  Speaker 2: Don't care. Sometimes you accidentally do, Like we find with guests,
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  Speaker 2: they always accidentally give some sort of advice that we
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard or that people can draw from it.
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  Speaker 1: The good thing is people's expectations when they listen to
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  Speaker 1: Ash myself, normally they're very they're very low.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're coming back though.
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  Speaker 1: So if you say that you feed your child, everyone's like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: so much better than we feed our too. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: want to go back to the beginning, when you are
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  Speaker 1: a young child. I kind of get I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I'm way off the mark here, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: get school captain vibes from you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that, or like head
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  Speaker 2: of sports or sports captain.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely, what's captain not school captain, school vice captain. Well, no,
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  Speaker 4: just the sports captain is the only captain I got
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  Speaker 4: in school.
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  Speaker 3: Just so, I think I was the red color to
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  Speaker 3: you watch it. I don't even remember the name of it.
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  Speaker 1: I was lost in which was yellow?
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  Speaker 3: Actually in my first.
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  Speaker 4: School because I moved a little bit, I was yellow
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  Speaker 4: and I was barker. So hey, it was a bit
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  Speaker 4: of there we go.
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  Speaker 1: Were you someone who was always very well behave, very studious,
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  Speaker 1: very disciplined.
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  Speaker 4: And so on all of my report cards they would say,
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  Speaker 4: Kayla would have learned more if she stopped talking.
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  Speaker 1: I always hate reading about my report cards because.
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  Speaker 2: The other day I remember there was no effort.
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  Speaker 1: So are you more like your mum or your dad?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? My dad got expelled in grade twelve because he
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  Speaker 4: got caught smoking in the shed because the science teacher
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  Speaker 4: was looking through the binoculars and they caught.
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  Speaker 3: Him walking the shad and then he.
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  Speaker 4: Flung it onto the old high jump matt and its
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  Speaker 4: set a light, so he burnt it down.
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  Speaker 3: But then they saw him running across the opal.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know if he was a
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  Speaker 3: nerd or anything, but he certainly.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, that Hishkoo got a new gym, and I was
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  Speaker 4: able to use that in my era, so it was great.
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  Speaker 2: He's a hero.
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  Speaker 3: I think, I mean just probably the same as.
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  Speaker 4: Me, like social butterflies, just would talk a lot in class,
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Probably i'd probably be more like my mom.
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  Speaker 5: I would say, who was better at sports?
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  Speaker 1: You mum with your dad?
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  Speaker 4: My dad was a really good AFL player. Were just
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  Speaker 4: in there Hills Football League Handorf Magpies.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like every AFL team is called the Magpies.
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  Speaker 2: We don't follow it very closely, so I just feel
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  Speaker 2: like they're all after birds.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, crows, mag Yeah you're not, You're not
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  Speaker 3: far off.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So dad was pretty sporty, but my mum played for
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  Speaker 4: the Shooting Stars Nipple team. But I guess both a
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  Speaker 4: bit of sportiness, but probably on my dad's side.
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  Speaker 1: If it wasn't basketball. What was the second best sport
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  Speaker 1: for you?
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  Speaker 2: Any sports without a ball? Like him? Long jump? Running?
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  Speaker 3: Oh well, I to get out of class.
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  Speaker 4: I would do all of that for school, Like to
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  Speaker 4: do school stuff I did, like the javelin, the discus,
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  Speaker 4: the shop, I do everything. I think I won a
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  Speaker 4: steeple chase race once in my dunlock chase.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that what horses do?
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  Speaker 4: I run in my dunlop bullies, remember the ones you
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  Speaker 4: could get from km off? Then when you jump in water,
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  Speaker 4: like you've got to try and miss the water. But
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was doing. I was just
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  Speaker 4: trying to run as fast they soak it up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so I was like running in flippers, massive size thirteen
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  Speaker 4: men's feet.
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  Speaker 3: So girls start running.
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  Speaker 2: Backwards the freestyle after this, But that was cool.
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  Speaker 3: I was grade nine, so that was, you know, highlight.
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  Speaker 2: So steeple chases where you is it like round the
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  Speaker 2: distance hurdle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a few things around the track right
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  Speaker 4: two or three laps and there's like hurdles, there's water, there's.
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  Speaker 1: There's a fire, fiery hoops you up as well. They're
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  Speaker 1: always a few kids normally. After that race, did you think,
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  Speaker 1: well I could have a career in steeple chasing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably for a small second, but I was pretty
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  Speaker 4: keen on the basketball, so right from pretty early on.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to ask you moved around a heap
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  Speaker 1: when you were younger, like around Australia. You had a
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  Speaker 1: little stint in Fiji as well.
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  Speaker 3: You've done your research, and I did very good.
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  Speaker 1: I did Detective mat Where were you on February thirteen?
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  Speaker 1: How was that for yourself moving around so much? Because
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  Speaker 1: they say that, you know, when you're in your early teens,
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  Speaker 1: it's not good for kids to move around that much.
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  Speaker 1: Did you find it hard or was it fine?
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  Speaker 4: It was the norm, so I didn't really think about it,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Like, and then I've chosen a career that
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  Speaker 4: I'm living out of a bag and moving every six
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  Speaker 4: months to a different contract as well. So I think
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  Speaker 4: I do remember living in Fiji for four months. That
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  Speaker 4: was the longest hint I had there, because other times
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  Speaker 4: for like two or three weeks, and that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: Me and my sister like rocked out Crash Bandicoot and
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  Speaker 4: finished it multiple times. My dad didn't want us to
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  Speaker 4: go to the school there, so I pretty much didn't
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  Speaker 4: complete Grade seven.
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  Speaker 3: Explains a lot. He got us a puppy.
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  Speaker 4: We named him Gas. We just raised the puppy and
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  Speaker 4: played crash Bandicoot.
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  Speaker 2: It was the best life, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: So but no, Fiji was a good time.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't really it was all I knew,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so it wasn't really something that I really
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  Speaker 4: struggled with because then not long after that, I moved
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  Speaker 4: to the Institute's Sport in canber and I was away
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  Speaker 4: from my family. So living out of a bag and
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  Speaker 4: on planes all the time is just kind of in
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  Speaker 4: the norm.
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  Speaker 1: Was the Institute of Sport was, was that when you
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  Speaker 1: were like, this is going to get serious, now, this
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  Speaker 1: could be a career for me, or we're always in
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  Speaker 1: the mindset of I will always just play sport.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be a basketball player, and that moment
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  Speaker 4: when I got my scholarship to the AS, that was
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  Speaker 4: just another goal of mine to help that the bigger
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  Speaker 4: goal of becoming a pro basketball player. And in my
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  Speaker 4: mind because I get asked a lot or when did
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I just kind of knew.
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  Speaker 3: I just That's what I'm going to do, Like I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be a bust.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like hopeful it works out because that's
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  Speaker 3: all I really want to do.
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  Speaker 1: How do you get selected? How does that process work?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So there's so like state teams, there's regional teams,
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  Speaker 4: and then you get picked for your state team.
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  Speaker 3: There's like, I don't know what you call it.
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  Speaker 4: Here in Sydney, but in Adelaide they call them district teams,
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  Speaker 4: so like your local comp team, and then from that
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  Speaker 4: you can you know, have their state try it to
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  Speaker 4: the state team and then from that you can get
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  Speaker 4: selected to Australian teams or like the ins sports scholarship,
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  Speaker 4: so it kind of just you know, gradually goes.
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  Speaker 3: Up and then from there.
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  Speaker 4: I guess at national tournaments when you're representing your state,
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  Speaker 4: there's always eyes on you, like always eyes everywhere, so
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  Speaker 4: if you're good enough, you'll be seen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what age did you go to the instudent sport?
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  Speaker 3: I was fifteen?
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen? Wow, young to be away from Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a way for almost three years. Three years.
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  Speaker 2: I was for three months three years.
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  Speaker 4: For three years and then yeah, started my pro career
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  Speaker 4: back to Adelaide with the Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: Lightning team when I was eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. I like that age, like moving away
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  Speaker 2: from you know, your support network to go, Like did
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  Speaker 2: you have friends that go with you or did you see.
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  Speaker 4: Other people from around the country your age and you'll
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  Speaker 4: go and you're on scholarship together. It was like twelve
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  Speaker 4: of us or fourteen of us on scholarship and you're
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  Speaker 4: all live in the same building and you kind of
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  Speaker 4: just train, go to school.
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  Speaker 3: Together, hang out, go to dining hall together, and do
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  Speaker 3: everything and how to be an adult.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The hardest part was probably having to do my laundry,
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  Speaker 4: but you kind of just figure it out and you're
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  Speaker 4: just learning to be a pro. So I really enjoyed
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  Speaker 4: my time there because, yeah, I learned to be the
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  Speaker 4: best paror could be.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're fifteen, what would be the older kids age, ah.
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  Speaker 3: Like seventeen eighteen, like the ones that were about to graduate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, is there like a hierarchy in the camp there?
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  Speaker 4: I think from what I remember, I had some pretty
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  Speaker 4: great leaders that took me under their wing, which was
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  Speaker 4: really nice. I never really felt intimidated or scared of
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  Speaker 4: the old ones in a bad way. It was more
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  Speaker 4: just like a healthy intimidation, like how great that they've
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  Speaker 4: been here three years and I want to be like them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so they were pretty good. I've actually one of them
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  Speaker 4: that was there is now my assistant coach.
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  Speaker 3: He with Sydney. Her name's Renee Garlett.
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  Speaker 4: To Renee, yeah, I appreciate you, sis. Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it kind of come full circle, which is really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to ask I'm a child of divorce parents.
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  Speaker 1: I was about twelve, and it didn't really have a
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  Speaker 1: big profound impact on me other than the fact that
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, I never want to have a
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  Speaker 1: divorce with my future wife. How was it for you?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I was about eleven, and my older sister protected
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  Speaker 4: me from a lot, Like she still says things to
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  Speaker 4: this down and I'm like, really, She's like, yeah, well
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  Speaker 4: this and this and this happened, and she completely just
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  Speaker 4: protected me.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of the trauma.
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  Speaker 4: But she took everything on board and has struggled a
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  Speaker 4: lot with a lot of things in her adulthood. But
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a massive father wound. When my mom
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  Speaker 4: and dad separated, I felt like my entire career, I
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  Speaker 4: really wanted to just my dad to see me. So
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  Speaker 4: I just would like try and work really hard to
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  Speaker 4: make a team so I could tell Dad that I
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  Speaker 4: made this team.
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  Speaker 3: And I still think to this day there's a little.
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  Speaker 4: Part of me that still does that, even though like
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  Speaker 4: me and my dad are pretty good, but I just,
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  Speaker 4: you know, want to make him proud so badly that
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  Speaker 4: I like, you know, use it as motivation to help
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  Speaker 4: make teams and things. But that's really the only thing
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  Speaker 4: I can recall from like the separations.
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  Speaker 3: I really started just like my dad to want to
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  Speaker 3: like see me and just like be.
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  Speaker 4: Proud of me because Mum says it all the time,
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  Speaker 4: but I wanted dad to say it, and I want
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  Speaker 4: a dad to be proud.
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  Speaker 3: So that's been a pretty cool motivational tool. So I've
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  Speaker 3: gone through the ranks.
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  Speaker 1: I was only good enough to like make the reserve
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  Speaker 1: team and maybe get like two wins in a season,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, dad is enough, and then still
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  Speaker 1: making like national teams and playing in World Cups and
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  Speaker 1: playing an Olympics. Are you still like that?
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  Speaker 3: I think a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I think I don't think it'll ever go away, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And I think even after our tire, I'm gonna have to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, dad be.
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  Speaker 3: Proud of a mum now like as well.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't relate to basketball, but yeah, I think they'll
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  Speaker 4: always be a little bit of me that, Yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 4: always want my dad to be proud.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean because mum.
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  Speaker 4: I know Mum's actually says it a lot, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: dads don't say it enough. So maybe guys, a bit
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  Speaker 4: of advice for you, he say it more often.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a fine line between giving praise
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  Speaker 1: and also I want to build a level of resilience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like he's got no resiltence.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes I like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do a drawing and I'm like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure you anyway, and your partner, Now, how old
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  Speaker 1: were you when you guys met?
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  Speaker 5: So?
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  Speaker 4: I was twenty two when he was twenty in Cans
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  Speaker 4: and yeah. We were in the basketball community.
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  Speaker 3: So I knew of him.
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  Speaker 2: Were you playing in camps?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I was playing for the Dolphins up in campas Olvins.
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  Speaker 4: He was playing for the Fins for the Dons, the
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  Speaker 4: men's team of the Malins.
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  Speaker 3: And we play out of the fish tank.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, is still like yeah? Still the fish tank? Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: what eye are for it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So, and then we all were out one night and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, let's kiss and so that right now, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, how many years later? Thirteen years later?
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  Speaker 2: Let us care really and then now.
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  Speaker 1: Did you actually speak like that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, thirteen years later, nine years married, and here
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  Speaker 4: we are, four dogs, one child.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, wow, wow, all let's talk about it. Let's pash,
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  Speaker 2: let's finish. How long were we together? Before he dropped
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  Speaker 2: a knee or four years four years okay, four years yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so not a bad okay. And during that time, were
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  Speaker 2: you at the same club or do you travel around
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  Speaker 2: a lot over those.
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  Speaker 4: Four So it's a bit complex in basketball, So seasons
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  Speaker 4: are only like six months long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you play a million games six months. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: one game of basketball year.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry about it. So after that, I think I went
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  Speaker 4: to I played for the Logan Thunder for a little while,
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  Speaker 4: so he moved down with me there, and then I
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  Speaker 4: played in France for a bit and he came over
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  Speaker 4: for months at a time there. I think the tourist
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  Speaker 4: fees was like ninety days, so he'd come over for
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  Speaker 4: like the tourist fees and then come back.
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  Speaker 3: Where else did they play? I played in America? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and so he got to experience like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: world travel.
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  Speaker 2: Was he working, like, what was he doing?
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  Speaker 4: So he was he was about to go to the
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  Speaker 4: mines and then we met, so I was like, say,
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  Speaker 4: he was just doing odd jobs around the place.
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  Speaker 3: And then when he was traveling with me, like I
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  Speaker 3: was just a sugar mama.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean.
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  Speaker 4: He couldn't work overseas, right, But yeah, now he works
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  Speaker 4: with indigenous kids and now disabled clients as well.
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  Speaker 3: That was a favorit of care work.
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  Speaker 1: Now, So when you guys were doing that long distance period,
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  Speaker 1: like how often were you guys away and how from
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  Speaker 1: you guys together?
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  Speaker 4: So the longest we do we ever did a part
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  Speaker 4: was two months, and that was rank Like I do
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  Speaker 4: not ever recommend that, but like four weeks was like
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  Speaker 4: our limit after that, like no more than four weeks ever,
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  Speaker 4: and then we have.
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  Speaker 5: To see each other and for each other.
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  Speaker 4: So we kind of we figured it out. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't recommend long distance. Like long distance is tough, it's
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  Speaker 4: a real grind. But I also like had goals that
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to achieve in my basketball career and I
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  Speaker 4: was making good money, so.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: I was like solid.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: I did say when we first got together, I said,
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: this is what I want to do. This is probably
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: going to be like what I want to do in
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: life and travel overseas blah blah blah.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: If you're in, you're in, let's do it. If not,
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: like it's been.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Fun, but please stay.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm really happy you see it.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Four weeks.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: I'm really happy you stayed and went along with the journey.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: It's probably been easy for him either. But yeah, we've
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: been together a fair bit of time now, like this
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: last chunk of years. It was more just the start
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: that it was a bit of long time.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: He travels with you full time.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's living here, needs me now.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, what was.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: It about Kylou that you thought, Yeah, this is this
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: is the one for me, this is the guy I
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: do want to spend the rest of my life with.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: That's such a.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: No one's ever asked me that question before. That's wild.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Honestly, it just kind of like my career, like you
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: just kind of knew, like went along with it, and
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: then as time went on, you were like, well, this
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: is my person, you know. So it wasn't like a
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: big ding moment I was like that's my guy. It
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: was more just like this is like our lives are
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: really intertwined, and I don't see myself with anyone else,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: and I like how he knows me and I know
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: him and it just kind of works. And but god,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: he makes me angry sometimes.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: I've got the divorce papers already, right, He's all right
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: if you're not having big arguments every now and then,
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: there's something wrong with your relationship.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I love Laura more than anything. We've just come off
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: the back of one of our like bi monthly arguments.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Healthy healthy, it's healthy.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: You've got to have the ups in the downs.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: People that said they don't fight, it's not real, it's
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: not real.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't have a little.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Even just like what do you want to do? I
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: don't know, blows up.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Like you live with someone for long enough, you get
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: annoyed with something they do, that's for sure. And if
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: you don't delusion.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Did you know that the drop knee was coming after
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: four years? Did you have any kind of inkling?
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I you found the ring?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: And we would drive back.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I was playing for the Towns with Fire at the time,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: and we would drive back and forth Cans Towns all
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: the time, and there was this massive sign on the
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: side of the road and it was like this girl's.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Hand like this with a ring and like the it
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: was like have you asked yet?
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: And like it was alvious the advertising the jeweler shop
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: in the little town will going through and I'd always
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: look at him like.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: You no.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: We did speak about it, and I knew it was
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: going to happen at some point, but I didn't know
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: in that particular moment. So we did that, you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: nice and you know, surprised me, but it was beautiful.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't want it to be around anyone though. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: was like, please, like I'll get second and embarrassment, like
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: you like, please don't do it in front of anyone.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Just like in our.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Please never want to look at us, please like want
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: you to be nervous. So it was gondy to sit
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: at home. It was nice.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Nice people who do it in a restaurant, All power
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: to you. That's your that's your spot. Then great, I couldn't.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Where did you do it live on TV? Didn't you?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: We? We we were on a baby moon with Laura
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful sunset where we were staying. And
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Laura was like, so we like went right up until
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: like a week before you're allowed to travel because she
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was so far pregnant, and and I was like, let's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: go out for a photo with the sunset. And it
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: was such a nice sunset that everyone had come out
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of their their bungalows and I was like, let's just
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: walk down here a little bit because I wanted to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: get away from everyone. She was like, why the fuck,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: like in the.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Soft and she's six months pregnant.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: She's like, just take the fucking photo. And then I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: was like, So it was the big thing for me
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: was I just didn't want to be around people. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to have it as a as a private moment.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: What about the guy did it on the jet Star
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: flight recently on the on the way to bal He
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: just couldn't wait.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about that one.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: It was on the news. Pressure just wait an extra
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: six hours bro the airport.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: What was your story?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: San Francisco, a place called Twin Peaks. It's like a
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: big lookout. There were people. The cab driver cried and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: he was on the phone with his wife. Guy, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: didn't know, I'm going to do it. There were some
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: people around. I didn't cry. April cried, and the cab
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: driver cried. It was beautiful on the way home because
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: we sat one of those places where your best to
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: pay the cabin to stay so you get back. Otherwise
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: we would have spent the night up there like that
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: would have been weird. It's been freezing. But he was
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: like on the way back and he was like, you
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: were cool as a cucumber on my bro was like
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: packing nuggets.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the most nerve wracking.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: It's got to be one of the most nerveou for sure, Yeah, yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: for sure. Well we haven't competed in.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Oh no, that's a different type of nerves.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, good on you guys.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Proud of you both.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: At what point then after you guys and you get
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: married first before you then started speaking about kids?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: So interesting time.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: That was so Kyle's mum was really sick with cancer
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: and so we got engaged on the seventeenth of March.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I was about to go to America for my first
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: w NBA experience in Phoenix. Training camp started on the
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: fifteenth of April that year or something, the sixteenth of April.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: So he proposed.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, okay, do you want me to
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: do a rush wedding so that your mum makes it
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: because we just didn't know how much longer she had
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: to go. And I was like, I don't know that
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: she'll make another year because do we.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Wait like blah blah blah. So he was like all right.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: He took a day or two think about it, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: he's like, right, let's do a rush wedding. And I
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: was like, all right, I can do this. Let's do it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I've got five weeks to plan a wedding before I
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: fly out.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, raining cat shit nuts.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: My wedding dress arrived. We did a sunrise wedding.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: On the eighth of May, and my wedding dress arrived
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: in the afternoon sun. Yeah, at Palm Cove. It arrived
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: at three pm the day before. I was like, I'm
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: gonna have to go down the aisle nude like at
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: this one. Anyways, But unfortunately, his mum didn't quite make
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the date. She passed away on his birthday on the
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: fourteenth of April.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay, thank you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: So but we knew she was, Like we think that
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: it was enough for her to know that we were
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: doing that for her, so like we felt pretty good
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: about that. And then so it was his birthday that
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: sucked though, Like so for reever now it's like a birthday. Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: but we know she's in a better place, like she's
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: not in pain anymore. So, so yeah, the fourteenth that happened.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: And then on the first it was my birthday. The
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: third of May, it was her funeral.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: The eighth was our wedding, and then I flew out
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: on the twelfth to training cans in Phoenix. So that's
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: five week.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Block was nuts amazing.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: How was it getting it? Getting to Phoenix and then
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: just being like what the hell is hap?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It was my first experience in America.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: You've got to really be like mentally super stable to
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: like be in that environment. And I did, like I
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: made the team, like it was a decent rookie year,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: but it was certainly like challenging. Kylie just lost his mom,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: so he was over with me for a little bit,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: but then you know, went back to be the family
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: a little bit too, and it was you know, basket
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: was a great outlet, but that was a lot to
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: go through.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Right Yeah, People like, hey, Caylen, how are you? And
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: You're like, where do I start?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You didn't get any time to decompress, And I don't.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Even know if I really get time ever to decompress.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, I have to ask did the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: dress fit?
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Because I've got extra length on it because I'm a behemoth.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: So I'm walking down the aisle.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was obviously you're focusing on your first
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: season in the WNBA, is there a thorn in the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: back of your mind of like when do I want
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to have kids?
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yes, as a female athlete, to figure
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: out like when am I going to have kids?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: What am I willing to miss? Can I get pregnant
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: in this date so I can be back by this date?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Will I recover in time? Will I miss that Olympics
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: because I'm not fit enough? That freaks me out to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: even think of that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So well, one thing that surprised me and I didn't
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not hugely experienced with basketball, but I was reading
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: about you and I was like, holy shit, even as
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: an adult, you're traveling so much.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: But then I.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Realized that it's because you don't have an off season.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Is that right, So somewhere else in the world and play.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not really an off season for female BASKETA players.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: We play all year round. Like the NBA guys have
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the luxury to have that big off season.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: They get paid a lot more money than we do.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: We're pretty blessed, but we're not like what they are.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Can't even compare. There's a way to go in that space.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: But yes, we do play back to back to back seasons.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: My first break in ten years was the COVID year
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: because I had that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's like even some of like domestic
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: men's players here they play for like second tier teams
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: like in Canns or darworn in something over Marlins.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: And you've caught me to time where it's like Olympic prep.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: So it's nuts, Like I go to Japan on Monday
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: for six days, and then I go to Melbourne to
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: play China again for a series, and then I go
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: to Spain for a pre Olympic tournament, and then I
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: go to Paris and then I'm back for a bit.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So what are you thinking, Like I won't get to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: have kids until I've finished playing.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: That's a really great question, honestly, Like I've thought of
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: every scenario. And after the World Cup in twenty eighteen,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: we want a silver medal. That was really exciting. Kyle
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: and I decided to try and have kids. So as
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: a female athlete and I it'll be TMI.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: But if you guys like.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Go for it, we're going to talk about periods.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Is that all right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Here?
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: So I was on the pill from sixteen to five
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: and I wanted to stop it because I read an
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: article about I was like, oh, I don't want to
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: do this to my body anymore.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And I don't really remember what my natural period.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Look like, so I stopped.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I didn't bleed for four years? Not healthy? Yeah, it's
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: not healthy?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Can I can? I ask what would be a normal period?
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: So what would be.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Sorry, man, would be that was the wrong word. It
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: would be a normal time frame from when you stop
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: taking the pill to when you start getting your period.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: So for some women it can happen straight away. For
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: someone that can take a few months, but four years
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: is not normal at all, Like, do not have any
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: type of bleed?
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Is not normal?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: And then I'm an athlete as well, so the stress
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and pressure I'm putting on my body, like it's a lot.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: In that four year period where you're not getting your period?
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: What do you do?
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Do you go to your.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: GP saving money on tampons?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So how freaked out are you?
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I was kind of just like, all right, no bleeding
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: one year, two years, And I'd speak to my team doctors.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: One doctor in America was like, you're not drinking enough
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: chocolate milk.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, what.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Say less? I don't think that's right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That's not the so random. Do they have an explanation
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to that?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Just like I think you should drink choco milk.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, done so much.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I would just speak to my team doctors
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: and then eventually they were like, oh, it's okay, like
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: just you know, keep keep on, you know, and I
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: just guess after four years, I was like, I think
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I need to see someone like a specialist, and yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I had a choo. I had a specialist say that
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I had an issue like when I would opulate, they
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: wouldn't drop at the right time. That just kind of
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: hang out, and so I needed to do it was
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: like one tenth of what ivf uses use like in
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: a treatment, and so it made me supernautious. I was
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: playing basketball, mind you, this whole time.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I was that is that includes like instill injecting yourself.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was injecting myself for however long. I think
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it was like three or four weeks I was injecting myself.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: So I was playing like I'm in the middle of
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: a season here.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: This was just to get your period back?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Is that now? Now, I'll get that hold on one second?
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: And so then I did this treatment lady's tusband test
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: a few weeks later, not pregnant. They did say it
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: can take two or three rounds and there's a high
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: chance of multiples.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I was like them here but in saying that it
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: didn't work.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: And then I didn't know that COVID was going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: happen and that the Tokyo Olympics would be delayed a year.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: So if I knew all that ahead of time, maybe
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: maybe would have done a couple more rounds. But I
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: didn't because I didn't want to to few with my
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Tokyo prep and I was nervous, and I was nauseous
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: for like five months because of the treatment. And I
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: was drinking lemon into tea all season because I just
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: was nauseous.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: All the times. I just feel really yeah, because.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pumping myself with this hormones.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Like trying to like train and play basketball. I would
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: like have.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Lemon and ginger tea on the sidelines. That a ward
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: like it was wild?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Anyway, do you have to say to the coach, like, hey,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not playing as well because of this. Did you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: find that it noticeably impacts how well you're playing?
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: So I honestly don't think it affected me on court.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I think I just like switch into gear and I
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: just figure it out. But I thought I was like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this is horrendous. How do people do this?
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I was doing one tenth the vibf like nuts. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: from that treatment, I got my period, So that was
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: a surprise. I didn't expect that at all. But thank
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: goodness because now I've had regular periods since then.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: But I do notice that if I'm at a big.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Tournament or an Olympics or a World carp or a
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: stressful final series or something, that my period's delayed one
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: or two weeks.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: But it's relatively normal now, which is a huge relief.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: So did you plan then if you did get pregnant.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Were you looking ahead at taking a year off sport
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: or what?
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Was you I was going to come back as quickly
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: as possible to prep for the Tokyo Olympics, So in
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: my head I was like, all r, I'll if I
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: can fall pregnant around Christmas time twenty eighteen, then I
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: have Bubba then and then I'll have enough time at
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: least a year before the Tokyo Olympics to really prepare.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't work like that. You can't just you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of times you can't pinpoint a date. I'm
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: going to fall pregnant on.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: This date so they can have a Yeah, totally.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Right, And that's I mean, as athletes, it's like really
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: ideal to be able to do that, but you can't
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: do that. And so when the treatment didn't work come
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: end of Jane Fairv, I was like, well, I'll just
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: have to wait and for another time. And then since
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: then it's just been like my whole career on going
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: back to back seasons.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And then what do I missing?
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: But now I'm in more of a headspace that you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I'm thirty five. I do want to give some siblings
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: to Pearly. And look, I'm not in a rush rush
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: to like has to be straight off the Olympics.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I'm still signed with Sydney.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I still feel like I've got really great basketball left
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: to play. But I'm just more relaxed about it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: When you sort of got close to that time when
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the Olympic prep was coming up and you decided that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to try another time, do you
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: remember how that felt? Do you remember how you felt?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: I felt like a failure, But then it was conflicting
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: because I was like, I'm a failure because I couldn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: feel pregnant and I can't do it, and actually I
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: have to do it this way. But then if I
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: was a failure and that I better not fail in that,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: so I better make that team and train really well.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It was all this pressure building too on yourself. Yeah yeah, wow, okay,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and then you go into Tokyo prep. The way that
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Pearl was conceived and you've come to be a mum
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: is so unique. Can you talk us through when you
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: made that decision or how the conversation started to go
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: down that that we were just talking about it before.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Matt and I are like, how do you put that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: on the table, like, talk us through it if you don't.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Mind, of course, of course, ky Lute.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: My husband is a Toaster Islander and it's really common
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: in Ireland culture to gift babies to other family members
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: that are struggling to have their own children, and they
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: truly believe that when they do that, they get their
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: own after they have their own after.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Which happens a lot.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: You're not Tori straight, not just my husband, although my
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: husband did think I was feed part fore gem when
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: we first met, so I was like, just you listen
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: to what I'm saying. So, yeah, when I first started
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: dating Kylou, I met his family, and I knew that
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a couple of his nieces, his sister, had a couple
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: of babies and she gifted her second.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: One to his mum.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: They lived in the same house, so I knew of
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: the concept of what you know it was about. They
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: call it custom island adoption. There is an island name
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: for it, but I'll just give you the English name,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: and so, yeah, it's very common and it's the highest
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: form of respect in their culture to give it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Nina, my sister in law, she knew my story.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: She knew what I've been trying, and I'd wanted to
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: have babies, and I would have had two kids by
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: now if it was like, you know, easy to pick
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: a time.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's just not been that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Easy for me with a lot of different reasons, with
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: the period stuff and being an athlete and not wanting
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: to miss events.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: But so after the Rio Olympic, she sat me down with.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Kylie's older sister and Kylo and she said, look, we'd
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: love to gift you a baby at some point when
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: the time's.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Right for everyone.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Holy wow.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my gosh, huge, amazing. I wasn't
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: overwhelmed with it because I knew of.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: The practice in the culture, so I was like, oh,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: my gosh, is if you do that? I was like,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: oh wow. I was more overwhelmed that, like it could
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: have been happening like soon.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, when you were struggling to fullbring it,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: did you think, hey, this may be an option.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Kylon never really spoke about it, but I did speak
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: to his sister Nino about it a fair bit. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: it was always like kind of in my mind, like, oh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: that that could be an option. But I really do
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: hope to still one day be able to hold a
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: baby and still like a baby myself. But if this
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: is our only option, that's really cool too, Like what
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: a blessing. And so yeah, I guess what year are
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: we now? Twenty twenty four, I guess. At the start
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of yeah, twenty twenty two, we just finished our Boomers
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: season in Melbourne.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I was playing for Melburn Boomers.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And I went home and held like a big gathering
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: from Kyler's family in my face, only in my house
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: in cans and My sister Nina was like, Taylor, I
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: might weeks pregnant, and I was.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Like, wild.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: But she's like, if it's a boy, we're going to
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: keep because we've only got the one boy. But if
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: it's a girl, we want to gift.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It to you.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And I was like, like, when's the when's the test?
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: When do we know what it is?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: They would have been trying and stuff without you knowing, yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and then obviously knowing that they wanted to give to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: your baby, but then them saying, hey, we're nine weeks
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: pregnant is as big as shock to you as it
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: is to the rest of the family.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I suppose, right, Yeah, No.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: It was a bit of a shock, but I really
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: wanted to see what sex it was going to be
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: because they were going to keep the boy because they'd
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: only had one son and they wanted another son. I
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: was like, that's totally fair, Like it's your child, even
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: if you don't want to give me.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: So you're still there's still like fifty to fifty.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So as soon as we were able to be
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: got the test, doney doctor's exact words, but oh no,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: that's a hamburger, that's not a sausage, and that's a hamburger.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, is that the officials the medical
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: term for it?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Because it's the same doctor that's reckoned. That was.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: How funny.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: So yeah, after that, after we found out the gender,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: then we kind of just got into like, mind you
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I'm preparing for a World Cup, like a major event,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: while I'm preparing to be a mum, and so, you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: just telling my family and the close friends that I had,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and they're like, what, like is they weren't really aware
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: of the culture side of all.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I don't really.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I hadn't spoken about, you know, how their family do
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: that before.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: So people kind of took a second to let it
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: sink in.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I think it's beautiful. But when
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you first hear about it, you're like, because it's so
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: different Western culture would be.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I know, it's kind of like I didn't think it
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: was that was the thing. And there'd be so many
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: people listening right now that would be especially men. Yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: they would be like I never thought that that would be.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of sit Yeah, really when I posted,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: when it came out, there'd been articles written or whatever.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of troll comings of just people
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: that just had no open mind or no idea, like
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: and that's fine.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Like that's social media these days. You can't do anything.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know that you get troll comments to this
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: pod us though.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Normally it's just like you guys swear too much.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really, we made front of a dentists and then
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: people came after us. We love the dentists and doctors
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: technically events, but anyway.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Assuming that you'd have a bit of a thick skin
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: playing professional sport, copying heat from people, we'll still.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Get to you sometimes though, if you let it. There's
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff, and it can be pretty debilitating
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: when you're not in a confident headspace because we've always
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: got to maintain a confidence level to be able to
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: perform and play under pressure. I don't know what life
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: is like to not have pressure, like basketball pressure. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: if I finish one tournament's like one game will then
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: what's next? There's always pressure for the next thing. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I think when I retire in years to come, because
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: I feel like I've got a good chunky years left
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: in me, I can't wait to feel like what life's
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: like with no pressure basketball pressure.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So I just it's boring over here.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so once we back to the pearl train of events,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: so once you know, it got closer to the time
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I had the World Cup.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: We won a bronze medal in Sydney. We beat Canada
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: in the bronze medal game. Nine days later, I'm in
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the theater with Nina, Wow, getting pearly.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I was really nervous about the connection piece. I was
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: really nervous, like about everything. It was just in what
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: way well, because I hadn't held I hadn't, you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: actually been growing her in my belly. So I was
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: really nervous about yeah, the connection, but skinned to skin
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: straight away was with.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Me and it was beautiful.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Ye, not the skin I held her straight away then,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: like when we went to the recovery rednal skin on skin,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: which is really beautiful. But I was also really nervous
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and felt really guilty for taking away Nina's baby. And
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: she said to me in the in the recovery room,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: she said, I've actually been holding her for you this
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: whole time. She's not been my baby this entire time,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: She's been yours, and I've just been looking after it
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Was diconnected from that, Yes, I suppose you've got her.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought that.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're really close to me and Ninna, so
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: we talk a lot and we've got a really great relationship.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I guess you kind of have to be able to
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: do this. But she was actually just down in Sydney
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: last week with her four year old son, so that
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: was really great for Pearl and Nicholas to be able
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: to have a play. But yeah, it was a really
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I almost would like cry anytime, like when we had
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: to leave the hospital and she went to her house
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: and we went to ours and I took Pearl. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: was so emotional because I felt this huge guilt that
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I didn't anticipate once we had Pearl into the world,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: that I was taking her away from Nina.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had to kind of overcome. Nina would
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: laugh at me. I'm like, yeah, so, but she had
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: already kind of done it in her.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: How do you explain the situation with Nina to the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: medical staff during child birth?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was certainly in a theater.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: They were all beautiful, they all understood, and I guess
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: in the kans hospital there might be more accustomed to
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: this type of happening, maybe more from an islander to
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: an islander, not so much to a from an islander.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: To a white woman. But they were really great in
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: the theater.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: And then in the days after that, while we're in
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: the hospital, you know, the doctors and the nurses would
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: come in and they direct their talk to Nina and
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: she'd be like, oh, no, this is the mom here
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: and they'd be like, oh okay.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So that asked me questions. That was like, oh, this
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: is exciting. And then one time a social worker came
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: in to ask Serena if she was really sure that
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: she wanted to give up her baby, and it was
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: quite alarming, and I felt a little offended that they
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: thought I was just like stealing her baby when you
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: know that wasn't the case at all.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And Serena, I think Chuckwood, it was like, yep, all good.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know if this worker was.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Really aware of the you know, the culture and the situation,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: and that's fair, she's doing her job.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: But I was a bit like like thinking, like, it's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: putting some doubt in yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, what are you doing and Serena just laughed.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, all good.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Like that was the extent of the convos so Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: that definitely made me feel some type way, but I
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: get where she was coming from on her angle, but
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I was like, no, that's my girl.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: We talked about that connection with Pearl. Did you feel
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like a mom straight away when you're holding her in your.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: The feeling was just super surreal. It was I don't
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: know that in that moment I was like, I'm a mum.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I think it was just like, oh my gosh, this
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: is who I have to look after, this is my
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: life now, Like it was, the word mom didn't really
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: come into like probably we were at home and I
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: was in my environment where I was more relaxed than
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I really felt like. I was so nervous to even
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: change her first napping in the hospital.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: It's petrified.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then everyone's watching and you're.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, and you feel like you can you do
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: it right. You need to feel like you need to
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: be instantly the best at it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: You like, yeah, yeah, so and the first ones were
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: gross per as well.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the black time, it's like my hamburger.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: So I think days after year, once I was home,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I was way more relaxed and felt like a mum
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: once I was in my own space.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: This excuse my ignorance. What's the legalities of all this?
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So like twenty twenty, In twenty twenty, Queensland the
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: government finally passed a bill that allowed the Torrestrait Island
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: adoption to become legal. So we went through there's a
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Commissioner's office with Tosia Island people that were there to
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: allow this to legally or kind of bind, and so
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: we formally applied to adopt her through the custom Island adoption.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: So essentially when that is approved, it comes back and
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: we are the names on her birth certificate and her
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: first one becomes null and voids. So the birthertificate where
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: the parents. So then we choose if we tell her
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: or not, because sometimes it can get a bit complex,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: like later in life, if there's a child that's been
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: adopted through the island ways.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: And it's not been legally done, then when their adults.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: They go to get their birth certificate or their passport
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: and their parents aren't matching up to the names that
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: they thought, so it could be quite conflicting. So in
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: the island community and because in culture too, especially with
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: the elders. If you know, they say this is your baby,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: I'm having your baby, but it's yours, like once it's
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: been given, like that's you don't talk about it like
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: it's done, like that's your baby.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: So it can be quite challenging for some of the
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: adults that have been all and adopted like now to
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: get things.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Like I just said, But so we did it all eagerly.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Only because that bill has been passed recently, So a
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: lot of people as adults are coming out now to
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: try and get it sort of now it can be
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: quite complex.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we are the names on.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: The birth certificate and we will tell her okay when
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: the time is right. I've been thinking about it a
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: bit more lately as she's getting old. I'm like, oh gosh,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: it's going to be an interesting one.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Do I tell her that she grew in that stomach
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: with Nina Mama? Or like how do I tell her?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: How we start that dialogue?
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: But I think I do want to say, like, you
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: know with Anti Nina's belly, like you grew in there,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know while she's stilltle bit young to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: try and get the plan.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: If you see us too many basketball analogies, try is
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that advice?
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Giving me advice?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: So it'll be an interesting time, and I'm a bit
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: nervous for that time, like will she be angry at me?
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Will she be angry at Auntie Nina? Like will she
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: be all right with it? So I'm nervous for that time.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: But I mean, she's such a happy kid, and I
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: just I'm trying to do my best raising her, trying
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: to teach her language, trying to teach her culture, like
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: her dad's a troys tray Algus and we speak a
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: bit of broken English in the house of we within
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: thirteen years, so I understand it, we speak it. So
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: hopefully she picks up a lot and you know, has
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: a great feeling of her culture.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: How was it then in the first few months, did
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you find it was instant that you and Pearl connected
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: with each other?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I felt there was the breastfeeding thing too. So I
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: just played at a World Cup. So before that, they
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: were like, do you want to take tablets to lactate?
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, well, I'm preparing for a
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: World Cup. This is kind of conflicting. I don't want
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: to be leaking at the World Cup, so I chose
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: not to And I was like is that selfish? But
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: people like no, no, that's fine. Serena breastfeed for a
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: little bit too, and then gave us some milk and
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: then we would bottle feed her as well with formula,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: so she was a bit of a mixed and she
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: went to the bottle fine. And then yeah, it wasn't
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: really an issue. But that really made me nervous too,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: the connection piece with the feeding and stuff. But honestly,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: like I didn't even think about it after the like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: after that first bit of fear, then I just got
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: on with it. You just I mean, you guys got newborns,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: you know what it's like. You just kind of just
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: knuddle in and get old it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Trying to keep treading. Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so but I definitely felt connected, but it took
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: me probably a little bit to like really like, oh,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: I'm a mum now.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: It just took me a bit too because I didn't
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: have the nine month experience of preparation wise, and then
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I felt like I cheated motherhood. Yeah, because I didn't
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: give give birth myself and mums are recovering and doing this.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, man, that's nice.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: That was crazy.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Ash and I were talking before, i know, with Laura
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: after she'd given birth, when she would speak to other
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: moms instantly like, Wow, how was the birth, how long
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: was labor?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: What was it like?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Did you have an epidural a bonding moment. Yeah, you
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: had that shared trauma which really bonds you to other people.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: How was it for yourself speaking to other moms where
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you don't have that experience of of holding the baby,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you don't have the childbirth story to tell.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was interesting because I mean she was nine
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: days old when I flew out to Melbourne to start
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: my season, so people were like, oh, you're back already,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: and I'd be like sometimes and sometimes.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh yeah, an other times I'd be like, actually,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: here's the story, like just a little dot pointed story,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: and whoa, Like that's wild, but yeah, it's pretty crazy,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: pretty like surreal like that. People like, what a beautiful gift.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: And then other other times people be like, she's got
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: a rush on her neck and I'm like, that's a
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: bit rude. Yeah, I know, she has like ack and
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: people think that they could just tell me that you
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: might not be doing let me get some pseudo cram.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And then how is it trying to still be an
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: athlete while she've got a newborn child and you're now
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a mum.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty well, but thankfully, like we touched
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: them before a little bit. You know, newborns, they're just
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: sleep eat.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Sleepy, Like you know, while I'm training, she's in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: prem lot, just having her a little mid morning nap
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: and then i'd have like my trainers on my manager
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: is just like helping if they cry. So that she
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: was really good in my first season, Like I'm not
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: gonna lie. She was a real blessing. She slept really
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: well for a newborn. Like I was up twice night,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: sometimes three. But one of my best games, I had
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: like a triple double. And I don't like to toot
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: my own home, but like this.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Time, people who aren't familiar triple double is.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: That's double figured stats in three different statistical reads.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: So I had like thirty something thirty one points, like
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: eleven assists and ten rebounds, so we'd beat Adelaide, But
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I was running off four hours sleep. Like that was
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: my worst night the night before that game.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: That's the key.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: That's the key, Like adrenaline just took over my first shots.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: For my first eight shots of the game, I missed eight.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: I was zero eight God.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Judge, I had four hours sleep.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Anyways, that ended up being a cracker game and you know,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: triple double and we won, so it was great. It
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: was a close game as adelaide, but I ended up
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: winning EP that season, which is wild to me.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Isn't that wild?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of the time, yeah, it was,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you know, raising a newborn.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: There was footage I saw on YouTube. I don't know
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: if it was a game or if it was training,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: but there's a team huddle on the court and you're
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: there holding pearl and I was, and everyone's kind of
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: talking through tactics and you're listening in and you're holding Bove.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, does that happen often?
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I don't want to hurt now she'd
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: talk too much.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: I couldn't ever, So yeah, when she was a newborn,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: if she was settled, yeah, I would do it a
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: fair bit.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Just like I just wanted to hold her all the time.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I just wanted her you have her on.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: The court walk through or something.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a three games. I was like, there
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: was footage you're shooting a three pearl in one arm.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: She's definitely like a little baller baby. She has just
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: been in every different environment in America, in Taiwan, in Australia.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I think you said you took fourteen flights in fourteen
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: months in the first fourteen months something crazy.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: No, I think now since we've been in America, I
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: think she's probably closer to like maybeing one hundred and
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: ninety to.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Two hundred flights.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Platinum.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: What I don't give her.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: You don't pay for her.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Actually do Yeah, that's like I'm silver what.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: She definitely would be up there, But no, they don't
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: give her crazy.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I hate my kids on a flight, no offense kids.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Well, she's pretty like she moves a lot now. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, at training last year in Sydney,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I put her in like a little playpen with a
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff to get creative and whatever.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: And at the start of the season it was great.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: She'd stand there for like the ninety minutes, and then
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: just towards the end she'd get a bit restless to
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: come out, and so like we'd almost be finished, so
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I'd go get her out or whatever. But at the
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: end of the season, she'd start piling them up and
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: then make your way up that pile to try and
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: crawl out.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Like she was like dance this season.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: My mom's going to come down and help look after
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: her because I can't have her practice this season.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: She would just be running a much.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: She just wants to do.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: They just get to that a that age I can
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: move now, yeah, person, and she throw.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Her toys onto the court.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Like with those flights, I think every parent out there
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: has got a story where it hasn't really gone to plan.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Have you had any flights that have been a bit
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: of a total disaster.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: So we're coming back from Perth. We just had a
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: game in Perth, heading to Sydney. A few hours left
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: on the flight, and I always restock my travel nappy
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: bag always because we're on the move so much. Every
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: time we get back from some of the first thing
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I do is restock the nappy bag.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Didn't restock at this time. What an idiot.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: So she's done a massive whopper. And so I was
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: sitting next to this lovely.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Nurse and classic hamburger.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: So I get up to get nappy bag. I was like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I haven't restocked. This is horrendous. We
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: have three hours ago. She's done like over the outside,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: like at all. No, she had I had not none,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: no no spense, no spence.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so and stang. I was like, oh my god,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: this is rank. And the nurse is like, oh, I
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: just use two sanitary pads. I was like, oh my gosh.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: And then the lady behind I was like, am I
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in a movie? The lady behind was like, I've.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Got one, and then I got her one and then
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: another one from the air hosties, and then I stuck
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: them together and made this makeshift like nappy. We say
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Kimby and Toshi which said Kimby nappy. And then it
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: was not great and obviously that's not really meant for
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: lots of liquid.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So much yeah, so much liquid, right, and.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: So we sat back down and maybe twenty thirty minutes
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: like it was soaking. I was soaking. We were all
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: just like a puddle. She just decided to we herself everywhere.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: That was fine, Like, it's totally fine. A couple more
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: pads from all the air host sees. Round two.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: It lasted till we got home, But I mean that
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: was not It's not terrible, but you know, when there.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Was no other babies on the flight at all, you
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: could have.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I was at the back of the fly.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: I don't even I didn't even think of that. We
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: just had the pads and just kind of made it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Just made it, make it work.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Sorry for the time we got home, but.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's not the best parenting, just make it work.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: She was comfortable.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: It is strange as a parent, how quickly you become
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: totally comfortable being covering other people's feces.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this kid's showing me well anyway, so back to it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, yeah, but that was I mean, that was okay,
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: like you just kind of you can't do anything in
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: that moment. She's projectile vomited on someone before too in
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: a plane, and she was like, it's okay, my mom,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: and I like, goodness.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Like the person next year, oh.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Sorry, like a whole I know, And if they're not
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: a parent, they're just like completely mortified.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And I ask you, guys a question, No, what's.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: The have you ever seen next to I went on
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: a flight that's like made it like a condescending comment
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: about kids on a plane.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: It's probably been me.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: To be honest, I haven't shut that thing up.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Oh really.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I haven't, thankfully, I haven't. I mean, my kids haven't
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: been on one hundred and ninety two flights, I'm assuming.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And then also in America, they haven't been to America,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and you see all these videos that come out online.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: It's an American Yeah, yeah, give us what you've got.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: What's happened?
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, just one time, I had a guy on a
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: flight and then the air hosting moved him because of this.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: But he just made a comment like, oh, this is
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: gonna be fun like this, and I was.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Like, Oh, that's not really that bad that he said that,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: but I was like still annoyed because like, relax, the
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: one that has to hold and then the air host
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: you like, walk past and heard it and then moved him.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I was like, bye, now I've got yeah, I have.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: There is one flight in particular, and luckily I was
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I was so fortunate that people around me were being legends.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: It was the first time i'd flew with Marley by myself,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and and I was as a new dad. I was
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: still kind of figuring it out. And she just started
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: being on the bottle as well, so I was like,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I got this. And then midway through the flight, she
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: just started screaming like she was being murdered, with a
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: blood curdling screams full volume, and I'm like trying everything.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like trying the bottle, doesn't want it, change nappy. Fine,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like standing up and you know, trying to comfort
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: her that nothing was working at all, and like this
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: baby is just screaming no stop. Everyone around me was like, dude,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: it's totally fine, like it's not a problem. And I'm like,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: it's those situations as a parent that like, I don't
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: want to have a screaming try this weird sweat sweat
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the back.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Of my knees. I'm driven from the back of my knees.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: People are like, not worry about the baby, but you.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Everyone's slipping over around me. But it's like it's so
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: comforting when people are like it is cool because when
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: you're not a parent, like growing, and you're on a
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: flight and you see kids screaming, you're like, but then
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: as soon as you're a parent, you're like feel so bad.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Even I don't know what it is when a baby
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: cries me on an aeroplane, I get the knee sweats.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: It's not even my kid. I'm like, it's want to
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: help you Somehow do you.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Carry spare pants when you travel?
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Ye, sweatpants. It's okay, I have sweaty knees. Whatever, But
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I know this about Ash. There were learning so much.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Next there's a screaming baby, just let me touch back you.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Good luck.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: You do get some eyes though, that not everyone's like
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: really happy about it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: You know, like for the.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Most part, it's all right, but sometimes you get eyes.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: You're like, well, what do you want to do about it?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: You're probably taller than them, so stand over them.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if they stood up, I'd let them know, bitch.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So now you are thirty five.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Lackluck, I'm twenty one.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: That any good.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: An a good way.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: You want to have a bigger family, I would love to.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: He'd love another child.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: And another dog. I'm just kidding. I'm just gidding out.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Got four already and just timing wise. What does it
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: look like for you in terms of growing your family
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and giving Pearl another brother or sister.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really great question. I've signed on for
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: another two years with Sydney. I've signed a three year deal,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: so I've got two more years in my deal. So
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what that looks like
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: for me. These Olympics is that my last one? I
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: don't know, Like, is that my last big event with
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: the Opens?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I don't like to close any door officially. Fully, my
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: focus right now is just the Olympics and just that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: Only after that, though there is a Sydney season, and yeah,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: do I try and fall pregnant within that season and then.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Back before the next one? You know?
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Can I can I finish that one being a couple
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: months pregnant and then play the next one too, like
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: there's my.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Athlete mind, you know?
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Or do I have to wait till they're both finished
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: before I try and be almost I would be thirty seven. Yeah,
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: so yeah, I think there'll be more of a relaxed
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: approach after these games, to be a bit more willing
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: to just be okay with whenever I feel pregnant, not
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: so much of all. We can't now because if I
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: fall pregnant, I can't compete at the Olympics, and.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: That would just bring me out because it's so close.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Honestly, they're like, if I did fall pregnant and I
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: couldn't compete in this Olympics, like it'd be fine, Like
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: it'd just be something.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. I want to have more kids.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: I'd deal with it, you know, it'd be more of
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: a grieving of not being able to compete at the Olympics. Yeah,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm in a good position to potentially go
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: to my third one and then after that be a
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: bit more relaxed about whatever timing was right. Whenever it
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: happened is cool because I don't really have anything to
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: really you know, compete at unless you know.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: The Sydney stuff.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: But at this stage I'm going to be playing in
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: those seasons because I'm not pregnant, you.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: We've seen female sport come so far over the last
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: five ten years. Do you think it will get to
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: a point where you don't have to do back to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: back seasons, you can just play the one season per year.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I hope so not very soon, though, I think in
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: years to come, which is unfortunate. But I mean, Kaitlyn Clark,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: like you know in America right now, has just gone
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: nuts and it's actually it's wild, and I love that
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: for women's basketball, and I hope that it translates over
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: to Australian women's basketball too, and we have an AUSSI
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: playing with her right now. Christy Wallace playing with Indiana Fever,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: who is on the national team and is a bloody legend,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: absolute legend. I hope that in generations to come that
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: it is better, even a little bit closer, because there's
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: such a big gap still for women's basketball compared to men's.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Basketball, especially in the States. Like I know, Kaitlyn Clark
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: is like this unicorn player, Like she is absolutely amazing.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of highlights of her, and it's
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: kind of really good to see it take off so
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: much on social media that it's giving more recognition, But
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the gap is so big.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Like the rookie salary in the d NBA is like
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: seventy or eighty thousand US dollars. We're in the men
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: it's like a mill or whatever it is. Yeah, so
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: there's just a long way to go.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pass your ego, but I will.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I find it just absolutely crazy trying to perform at
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: such an elite level, NonStop, back to back to back,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: whilst also being a mom, Like it just blows my
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: mind when I think about the early years of being
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: a new dad and like that was hard enough, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: then add on like a layer of any type of
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: responsibility and pressure and I was crumbling.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was absolutely mums are built different.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you. That's really kind of you.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: And honestly, I look back and think, how did I
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: do some of the things that I did? And but
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Pearl has put a lot of great perspective in my life,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: and so it almost helps me mentally relax a little
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: more for games. So I'm not like just thinking about
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: myself and how I need to perform or whatever.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, has Pearl? Do I need to change
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: an happy?
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the game. All right? Do
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: I need to change a woman?
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: There?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: She fed?
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's a whole different mind frame, and I
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: think it's really helped me and I think I'm playing
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: better basketball now than I was in my mid twenties.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Just giving all the young players kids now.
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  Speaker 3: Can do it.
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  Speaker 4: No, she's actually a really good kid though, like she
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  Speaker 4: all she knows is this lifestyle like playes teammates, random
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  Speaker 4: teams around her wanting to hold her and cuddle her
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: and running on the corner. So she's got aunties and
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: America aunties in Taiwan, and they actually couldn't say a
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: lot of it that like they couldn't say Pearl. I
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: guess they struggle to say their ours, like when they
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: try to be English. For some of the ones that
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: struggle to speaks in English.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: My friend was called Lachlan and that's a tough name
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: for people who don't speak So.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Her name in Chinese is Jenju, the shinju everything.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: So I was like, that's fine. So actually got that
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  Speaker 3: tattooed on my shoulder. I mean, I don't have a lot,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: but just a few, but I have tattoos from everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, tells a story.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: When Pearl is all grown up and she is no
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: longer living at home, she is an adult on her
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: own and maybe she's starting her own family. What is
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the one thing that you would want her to remember
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: about the house or the houses for you that she
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: grew up.
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  Speaker 4: In that no matter where she went, she still felt
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: the same love from us. That was probably That's probably
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: the main thing I wanted, because I have thought about
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: this because we have moved a fair bit. She's lived
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: in multiple houses already or apartments of spaces, and I
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: just want her to feel loved and comfortable wherever she is. So,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's probably my advice that I would give
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: to her.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: We always love to.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: End on that question because we get such a beautiful
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: answer like that. I mean, yeah, thank you so much
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: for taking the time, and it's a beautiful story how
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: you became a mom. It's different and we love to
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: hear those different stories. And yeah, thank you for your time.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Oh thanks for having me. Guys. I felt like there
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: was a lot of me talking, But.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: That's that's the point, Matt. That is a very unique
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: story to me. I've never heard of anything like that before.
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• 59:35
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• 59:38
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