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Episode 24; SPO Madison Johnson, SPO Angelica LaFemina, SPO Justin Lewis, and The History Minute with Hannah Silberman · APD Pod Squad

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: This is the APD Pod Squad.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_04: Coming up on this episode, if you've been listening to the APD Pod Squad for any amount of time, you know that sometimes we look for holidays, special occasions, something to spark a conversation.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_04: So I saw National Girlfriends Day was coming up August 1st.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_04: What is National Girlfriends Day?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it celebrates the special bond of friendship between girls, whether sisters, mothers, classmates, or co-workers.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_04: So, co-workers and friends, senior police officer Madison Johnson and Senior Police Officer Angelica La Femina join me today.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: Safe to say that they're friends.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_04: So we're going to play something I call the girlfriends game and see how well they know each other.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_04: Remember?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: The newlywed game.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_04: So it's kind of like that.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: Also, senior police officer Justin Lewis with the Community Engagement Division shares the latest.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: One of the things keeping him busy this summer, giving tours to different community groups.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: And recently, that included several young people from the Buncombe County Youth Internship.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: So we're going to put them on the spot and put them on this podcast.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: That should be fun.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: And in the History Minute with Hannah Silberman, haven't we all wanted to jump in the back of a taxicab like in those old black and white movies and yell, follow that car?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_04: That actually happened back in 1943.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's all coming up on episode 24 of the APD Pod Squad.
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  SPEAKER_04: Joining me now to kick things off, Senior Police Officer Madison Johnson and Senior Police Officer Angelica Lafemina, you told me earlier you go by Jell, correct?
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: Fantastic.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_04: So we've got both of you in here.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_04: We're going to talk a little bit about, of course, your careers with the Asheville Police Department.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I thought it'd be fun with National Girlfriends Day coming up on August 1st, which celebrates the special bond of friendship between girls, whether sisters, mothers, classmates, or co-workers.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: Get it?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: Co-workers.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we're going to play a version of the newlywed game, Girlfriends Style.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_04: A little background for clarity's sake on this National Girlfriends Day.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: It goes back only to 2006.
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  SPEAKER_04: So as a day, it's only been around about 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_04: As a word, girlfriend first appeared in 1859, originally defined as female friends.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't until the Roaring 20s, the 1920s, the term dating became popular.
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  SPEAKER_04: And before long, girlfriend took on a second meaning of a romantic relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend.
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  SPEAKER_04: But for our purposes, girlfriends are two girl friends.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_04: You guys.
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  SPEAKER_04: But before we play the game, since it is the first time on the podcast for both of you, let's just get to know each other a little bit.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: Officer Johnson, I'll start with you.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_04: How long have you been with the Asheville Police Department?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_09: I have been with APD, let's see, I think in October it'll be four years.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: Four years?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: Officer La Femina.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_10: Same.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_10: Uh 2022 is my like higher date, May of 2022.
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  SPEAKER_04: So were you guys in the same class?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_10: She was one ahead of me.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_04: So and how soon did you become friends?
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_09: Like uh were you like working together in the same um we're working at a night shift out in West Asheville.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_09: Jill came to my team whenever she got off of her FTO status, and I can't really remember a time where it just we just became friends.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_09: It was just we meshed very well, I think, and just clicked as friends.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: Start hanging out, like after work, that type stuff?
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_09: At work, after work.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I think our working style too kind of helped.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_10: You know, like our chemistry at work, like how we work together was very seamless.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: Does it help if someone can relate to what you're going through in the job too?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, Oh, absolutely.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_09: And I I trust Jill with my life.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_09: I know I can confide in her with anything and she'll keep my secrets or she'll give me advice.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_09: She'll give me a reality check if I if I need it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_09: I know I can respect that from Jill.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: Y'all obviously have a special bond, Officer Lafemina.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: Any thoughts on Officer Johnson?
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  SPEAKER_10: I too trust Madison with my life.
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  SPEAKER_10: I know I wouldn't have made it this far in law enforcement without her support and her friendship.
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  SPEAKER_10: She's the person I call to celebrate my wins and the one I turn to when I'm facing my losses.
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  SPEAKER_10: Having another woman in law enforcement who truly understands what you're going through is invaluable.
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  SPEAKER_10: Her support means everything to me.
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  SPEAKER_10: It keeps me grounded and accountable.
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  SPEAKER_10: We check in on each other often, especially after we've reached out for help or if we've needed that.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_10: Um carrying the weight of this job isn't easy, but knowing Madison is by my side gives me the strength and the inspiration to keep on going.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_04: Have you ever had doubts early on in your career, like, is this the right thing for me?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: And then Madison was kind of there saying, listen, you can do this, that type of stuff.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, definitely.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_10: Um, when I first got on the team, it can be a hard adjustment going from like FTO to the team out west.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_10: They're an amazing group of people and they're really hardworking and dedicated.
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  SPEAKER_10: And I would always ask her, like, hey, am I like taking calls well?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_10: You know, how am I doing?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_10: I'd always be open to her feedback because to me, she really sets a standard for like how women should be in law enforcement.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_10: She's an amazing officer.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_10: So I always looked looked up to her and always needed her support.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Aside from the obvious hazards of the job that everyone faces in uniform, men and women, there's probably some additional obstacles that women face, like you mentioned.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_04: And sitting here listening to both of you, there's obviously this support system that exists, certainly between probably many female officers, but specifically between you two.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, yeah.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, we've definitely fed off of each other.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_10: You know, like she'd text me and say, like, hey, I should have done this better.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_10: It seems like we're kind of hold each other to really high standard, you know, being a woman in law enforcement.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_10: You know, you have to be stern, you have to have a good command presence, you know, you can't show weakness.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_10: But also the balance of being a woman too.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_10: You know, some people may relax more, some people may go from escalated to calm, you know, the moment that you show up.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_10: So you kind of have to be on your toes and be flexible.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_10: And having Madison, you know, we'd question each other, or, you know, she'd we'd feed off of each other a lot, like, hey, did I do this well, or what improvements can I make, you know, on this call, or, you know, did I show good command presence?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_10: You know, it was amazing having somebody there that I know comes from a background of just love and support to give me those critiques, to inspire me to do better and give me real examples of how I could do better.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_10: We both feed off of each other like that, um, even to this day, like in the job.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_10: We don't work on the same team anymore, but we definitely call each other or ask each other for support or feedback with different calls and stuff like that.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: What are the advantages to being a female in law enforcement?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_04: I think you kind of alluded to one of them.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_04: When you show up on a scene, depending on the call, you may be a more calming force than, say, a big, burly, intimidating, gruff man, and it might be like a domestic violence call.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_04: Have you sensed that there's an advantage?
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  SPEAKER_10: Aaron Powell I think so.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_10: It depends on the call.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_10: I think that's why I want to focus on like um crisis negotiation more or even domestic violence, um, advocating for survivors and stuff like that.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_10: It's really nice when I go on on a scene and I get the support from my team to be with the victim or the survivor and have the ability to show my empathy, you know, to let down my walls and let them know that, you know, I'm there for them and that they're safe and that they're protected and we're here to make sure that, you know, we do what's right by them.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_10: So it is nice advantage that I can show my empathy, you know, in the job and like give people the shoulder that they need to cry on.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: So something I ask everyone that comes in for the first time, and you guys are both first timers here, is where were you born, Officer Johnson?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_09: I was born here in Nashville.
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  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_09: A local, a true native.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_09: I am.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's a rare breed.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_04: I always tell people my wife's actually an Asheville high graduate, born here as well.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: So she you knew and her is like eight of you, I think.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_04: Basically Jell, how about you?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_10: I was born in Waukegan, Illinois, which is like an hour, a little bit over an hour north of Chicago.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: What brought you down?
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  SPEAKER_10: Um A lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_10: I lived out west for four years and I was a wildland firefighter for there, over there.
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  SPEAKER_10: And then I had a degree from a university in Illinois, like a small college for criminal justice.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_10: So I wanted to kind of pivot with my career in wildland firefighting and find something that was closer towards my degree and what I enjoy.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_10: So I thought Ashwell would be a good opportunity.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we've had some wildfires here.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_04: Has it ever dawned on you to maybe just help out?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I've done some um fire mitigation in Virginia a couple times, which is just like, you know, using the chainsaw and clearing brush and stuff like that.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_10: So I do like obviously have that calling.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_10: I think it's always there.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_10: Like once you start doing it, it's something that I miss like all the time.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: Now I don't know this, but is there a way to do that on a volunteer basis?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, are there crews that battle, you know, firefires, wildfires here?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, you're a full-time police officer, but is that something you could do, you know, part-time just if if needed?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I think so.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I've like asked uh FIRE if they would like have me or if I could take some of their classes and stuff like that.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_10: And they said they'd definitely be open to it.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_10: So I've talked with them before about it.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_10: It's just a matter of probably getting it going.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_10: But it is hard, like you said, like being on this side and then doing that, because that is like an off or on type thing.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_10: So I would probably have to miss work if I did go on a wildland fire.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: Officer Johnson, how about you?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: When did you want to be a cop?
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_09: Well, my dad was a cop here.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_09: He retired pretty much a year after I started.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_09: So he really introduced me into the law enforcement world, and then I went to Appalachian State University and graduated in a degree with criminal justice.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_09: Um, I did an internship with the SBI, and I just absolutely fell in love with it.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_09: I thought about getting local experience first.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_09: And, you know, I grew up here in Nashville, so I figured this would be the perfect place to start.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: So we usually also ask people uh a question that is what's something that most people don't know about you.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_04: But we're gonna go through a whole lot of that with this game we're gonna play right now, and we're gonna you guys I think know a lot about each other, and we're gonna test that a little bit here.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but as far as people that are listening right now, they're gonna be learning a whole lot of things that they probably did not know about you.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: So some of our listeners probably familiar with the newlywed game, one of those cheesy 1970s game shows where it tested how well couples know each other.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_04: So in this case, it's gonna be the girlfriend's game instead of the newlywed game to see how well you guys know each other.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_04: So uh what I had you do was answer some questions.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you each had six questions to answer.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_04: What is your favorite this?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_04: What is your least favorite that?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: And you were answering answering on your own behalf.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_04: So now what we're gonna do is we're gonna ask the other that question and see if they can answer it the way you did.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_04: Does that make sense?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's how the game went.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_04: If I remember correctly, I mean it's been a long time since I've seen that game.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_10: But yeah, so you're gonna ask me what I think Madison said.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, because I have got the answers.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we started doing that, but yeah, you started you without even me saying so.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_04: A feeling you're both gonna do very well because you were already answering for the other.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_04: But this was one of those cheesy Chuck Woolery game shows with the bad music and everything.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: So let's play the girlfriends game.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I've got the answers in front of me for both of you.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_04: So I will start by asking Officer Johnson about something that Officer Lafemina answered.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_04: Favorite activity when not working, she said what?
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_09: Favorite activity when not working.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_09: Probably hanging out with friends at a brewery or hanging out with her dog.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna give that a yes.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Traveling is in there as well.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, yep, I can see that.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: Spending time with their dog and uh reading was also in there, but breweries definitely made the list.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna we're gonna call that a ding-ding-ding.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: Turn it back over here to Jell.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_04: What did Madison say her least favorite chore was least?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I guess so.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_09: Surprise me.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: I gave this some thought.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: So, least favorite chore.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_10: I feel like I want to say something that you may not have said, but could be true.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_10: Either taking out the trash or picking up dog poop.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, you know, those are on the list.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yard work is theirs.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: Dog poop.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: Dog poop is yard poop.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's at the story that is in the yard.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: So, okay, we're gonna give credit for that one as well.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: So, because dog poop does land in the yard.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_04: Although my neighbors like to put it in my yard, interestingly enough.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, I know, right?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_05: Some new neighbors.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: There's actually an ordinance.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's illegal, isn't it?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'll give you guys a call next time.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so what did Jell say when I asked her if she was a good or a great driver?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Good or great.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_09: I'd say great.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: She says in between, not the best, her choice, not the worst.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: It really wasn't.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: It was she went off the page on that one.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_09: I do know that Jell has only been in one rec in her entire life.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_09: So I would say that she's a great driver.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, she said maybe just the humility, maybe just being humble.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh in between, not the best and not the worst.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, how about this?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_04: For Officer Lefemina, does Madison prefer a manicure or a pedicure?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: Manicure or pedicure?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_04: Hands or feet.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: Manicure is correct.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_10: Ding, ding, ding.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so we got two over here, and we're gonna give you I will give you both two for two.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: How about that?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: I'm being generous.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_09: I appreciate it.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, thank you very much.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so Officer Lafemin said her favorite thing to cook was Favorite thing to cook.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: Favorite thing to cook.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_09: I'd say ramen, because I have seen Jel post some bomb-looking ramen on her stories before.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_04: She might, but this is steak.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_09: Steak, okay.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_04: So what type of cut?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what's your favorite cut of meat?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_10: That's a good question.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I eat a lot of T-bone steaks.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_10: Really?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_10: Like just off the bone, very thick, a little fatty.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_04: I can see that.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a ribeye guy.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_04: I I prefer on the bone, you know, but you know, depending on where you are.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_04: Now, if I go somewhere fancy, like if I go to some that's make someone's making it for me, I'm probably gonna get a fillet.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm afraid to cook a fillet.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna lie.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: I love cooking steaks, but it's like if I'm spending 20 bucks on that tiny piece of meat, uh you don't want to overcook it.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you want that thing so it's still bleeding.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: So if I go to Roots Chris, ordering the fillet every single time.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_10: I do want to say a ramen is a good, a good guess because I make it like a lot, at least once a week.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: So what's the difference between going somewhere for ramen, making ramen yourself or doing that little bag thing?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: I've never had anything but like that cheap little bag.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: The little, you know, the cheap little, you know, like the six bags for a dollar thing.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, no, this is like I'm talking like you get the meat, vegetables, like fresh noodles, the broth, sponge.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you make those.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: I went to college in the 80s.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: I'm old.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: And so that's when the bagged ramen was like just coming into existence.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: And the only thing we could have in my dorm room, freshman year, was this little kind of hot plate all-in-one thing.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_04: That's all you could have for fire code reasons.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's all you could have.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: And so all it could do was do soup or ramen or like hot cocoa, or that's all you could do, or like spaghettios or whatever it was in college or pour.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, those things were like eight bags for a dollar, literally, with the little bag that you that's the seasoning packet.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, and I'm not gonna lie, when you come back after maybe having a couple of beers, it doesn't taste that bad.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: Sodium.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: Totally sober as an adult.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: I would probably no longer eat those.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, where were we?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, with three questions in.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so Officer Johnson, what did Officer Lafeminist say when I asked her about her favorite pet, dog or cat?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Dog or cat?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: She had dog for sure.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Dog for sure.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_04: You're absolutely correct.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: She said, Do you have a dog?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_10: I do, yeah.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, do you have a cat?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_10: No, I'm very allergic.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: Then that was easy.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_04: That one was super easy.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, what did Officer Johnson say her favorite kind of food was?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_04: Favorite kind of food.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_10: Like cuisine, dish.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_04: So think like you guys are, hey, let's go get a bite to eat.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: And she makes the suggestion of uh-oh, this might be You're killing me.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_10: Texas Roadhouse.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_04: Mexican.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_10: Mexican.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, with Mexican.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh okay, so we have our first incorrect answer.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: Plenty of time to catch up.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: We've got two more questions to go.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Officer at La Femina said her favorite place to vacation is Officer Johnson.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: Disney.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: Right on that one.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_09: She goes like 10 million times a year.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_10: Do you go to Disney a lot?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_10: Like once a year, the past like three or four years at least.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_10: So who do you go with?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I've gone with my sister um each time, and then my cousin lives in California.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_10: He's a LA firefighter.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_10: Um, so I go and visit him, and then I go to Disney when I go to Disneyland.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: You stay right there at one of the parks uh at one of the um like Animal Kingdom or like that.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: I've did that, I did that once, and it's way too expensive for it.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_04: But it is also way worth it.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: So you like you wake up, you go in your balcony, and you're having like coffee in the morning, and a stinking giraffe is like just like that's amazing.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's like I say, the the price is just stupid.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: So instead of going every year, maybe every other, and then stay at the animal kingdom.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_04: Now they have a lot of places, you know, like that you can stay where you just hop on the monorail and do whatever.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I've only been to Disney like three times in my life and once as an adult, but the time that I went with the Animal Kingdom was just off the charts.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, I mean, you're just looking out and you're seeing like a giraffe, and all the animals are right there, like right below.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_04: So it's something to think about.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I typically try to find like the cheapest accommodations or like friends that I know in the area, stuff like that, so that I'm not like paying for transportation or for staying, just the park.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: No doubt it ain't cheap.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: So you gotta find a way to you know save a nickel here and there.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: So here's your chance to uh answer a question.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: When you guys hang out, where do you go?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_04: Favorite place to hang out, your go-to spot, not necessarily specifically, but generically.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, we haven't gone out like that much, but I would say like maybe a brewery would be the best.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_09: Here we go.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_09: Redemption.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_10: Oh my I think you're losing still, though.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_09: Are we tired or am I losing?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_04: Who got the wrong answer on this?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the steak.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_04: When she said steak, you answered ramen.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: So you're down by one with one question to go.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: You've actually got two more to answer.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_04: So we're on to question five.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: So you got a chance here to uh to answer Officer Johnson's favorite kind of music.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_04: Heavy metal, it is okay.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: Favorite band then?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_09: Um, my favorite band's probably Bad Omens, but one I've been listening to recently is Spirit Box.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_09: I'm actually gonna go see them in concert in December, so I'm pretty pretty excited for that.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: Any of the old school stuff?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_09: Because that's that I mean I don't so much listen to the newer stuff, but I mean, yeah, I can appreciate all like the classic rocks like Metallica, Ozzie Osborne, all that stuff.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, all right, some Sabbath and all that stuff.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, for sure.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_04: So did you feel wistful at all with Ozzie's final appearance with Black Sabbath recently?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_09: I did.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_04: Did you see any of the performance?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: Any at all that some of the videos that were floating around?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_09: I've seen a couple floating around with him and his like throne.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, I mean, his health isn't great.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: So the fact that they were able to get out there once was something.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: So good for him for even getting out there and doing the best job that he could.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so one more question for each.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so uh we'll let Officer Johnson answer.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_04: And so this one, the last thing that Jell binge watched.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_09: Oh my gosh.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_04: The last thing she binge watched.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: Harry Potter, maybe not Harry Potter.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: The foundation.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_04: Tell us about the foundation.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_10: I'm really into sci-fi stuff right now.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_10: Um it's like a newer show, and it's kind of like about like sacred geometry, basically.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_10: Like geometry and math predicting the future.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_10: Like the edits for the future.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_10: Um, so I'm really into sci-fi and like building, like world building and stuff like that.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_10: So I just sat there and watched all of it.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_10: So I just finished it.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: How many episodes?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I'm not sure.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_10: I think it was like 10 per season.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_10: So it's on the third season now.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_10: Wow.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a little bit.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: One that I just uh picked up based on uh deputy chief Artemis suggested it was Bosch.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Have you seen Bosch?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Top drama.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: He says of all the ones he's ever watched, it's the most realistic when it actually portrays how police work actually goes.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: I believe it's Los Angeles.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's uh I think he's a detective in Los Angeles.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: Kind of gritty, you know, as you'd expect, that type of thing.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: And guy doesn't put up with crap and whatever like that.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_04: So I think there were three or four seasons of it, and then they spun it off.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_04: I've only gone through one season, uh, but it is called Bosh, if you're looking for something new.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so the last question, and this is for Jell about Officer Johnson.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_04: Does she prefer day shift or night shift?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_10: Night shift.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_04: She does.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_09: For sure.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_09: For sure.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_09: All right.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so I I wasn't even keeping track.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_04: I dropped my pen at some point.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think you got them all right, didn't you?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_04: I believe Officer Lafemina.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: Did you get them all?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_09: I got one Roll and the rest are right.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: And you got one wrong.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_04: Or two wrong.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_04: Two wrong, I believe.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: But clearly you guys know each other pretty well.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so you mentioned breweries.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: What's your favorite one in town to go to?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_09: I liked Bold Rock when it was open.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_09: I'm more of a cider girl.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: The one in Lexington?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_04: The one in Lexington.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: Have you been out to their location in Mills River?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_09: I like.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's actually kind of nice.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, yeah, it was super nice.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: My favorite in town, probably, and that's tough to say because it's a mood thing too, right?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: So this place makes this good, this place makes that good.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: I've always really liked everything that Burial did.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: I just think they do everything well.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: Whether it's a dark or a light or an IPA or anything in between, they seem to dial it in.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_09: I really like their atmosphere too.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_04: Now which one?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: The Forestry Camp?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_09: Or I've been there once.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_09: But the one downtown, the mural.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_09: Like, yeah, the mural.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_09: I love it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: Also, I like Hillman.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: How about Hillman?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Do you like Hillman?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_09: Helmet's always a good spot.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Archetype's got a nice uh little rooftop deck there in West Asheville.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_10: Some of my favorites, um have you heard of Celarest?
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right there in Haywood Road.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, so he used to brew uh, I believe, for burial, and he mark as the brewer's name, left and started his own project where they do a lot of wood fermentation um and wild yeast.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_10: So I think they're the only brewery that I've ever been to um that does like wood fermentation.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_10: So everything that they have is like wild fermented and like rusted, or like wood is like part of the process.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: They do a lot of lagers, things of that nature.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: They do a great job, actually.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: I really enjoy theirs.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_10: And Burning Blush is up there for me too.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_10: Like Burning Blush is awesome.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's just a little bit out there uh as a drive.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh if you get out there already, then you've got several to choose from.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: You could go to Burning Blush, you could go to Appalachian Mountain because AMB is right there.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Mills River Brewing is also right there.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_04: So you've got that.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: And then of course you can go to the Taj Mahal of Beer, Sierra Nevada.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, and they make amazing beer, but I don't know.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm more of a when I go out for a beverage like that.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_04: I kind of like the more laid-back atmosphere.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, too.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: Nothing against Sierra Nevada, because what they're doing is fantastic, obviously.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but it just seems a little uh a little more touristy, yeah, definitely than I'm into.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_10: Or people stop there like in between flights and stuff, or like before their flight, they'll hang out there and then get an Uber report.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_04: So back to the work type atmosphere.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: So you guys have both been with the department less than five years, give or take.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: Have you thought about anything down the road?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_04: We'll start with you, Officer Johnson.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_04: An area you'd like to maybe focus at, something you else you'd like to do.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_09: Well, right now I'm really just enjoying everything APD has to offer.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_09: I'm currently in Phil Training Officer School, so I'm looking forward to meeting the new rookies and training them to be you know our future partners out here on the road.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_09: I think I'm gonna stay on patrol for a while.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_09: I really, really like patrol.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_09: I love night shift.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_09: I love the team I'm on out in Baker.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_09: My sergeant's an awesome person.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_09: I'm pretty happy where I'm at right now.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_10: Officer LaFeminine.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_10: I think eventually crisis negotiation, whenever there's a job opportunity, I'm I'm interested in that.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_10: Um I've always like had a passion for like mental health awareness, um, domestic violence, stuff like that.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_10: So I definitely want to learn more about that, what crisis negotiation is, and develop more skills to communicate with people in crisis.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_10: So I think that's kind of where my career is gonna like lead to.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I look forward to following you guys in your career as you guys grow both.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: And thank you so much for sitting down and joining me here today and playing a little game.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, thanks for having us.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_09: It was fun.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: Senior police officer Justin Lewis with the Community Engagement Division back in the studio.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: Second time for you.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate the warm welcome you give me and being able to come back and do this again.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: You guys are staying busy.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: I know we've got a bunch of things coming up.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: We got uh we got the national night out, we've got some coffee with a cop, got some other stuff going on.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: Let's uh let's just get right into it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: What are you doing?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: National night out, August 5th, uh first Tuesday of August.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh come out, see us.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be out there.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we have the upcoming fall session of the Citizens Police Academy coming up, uh, application, so be on the lookout on social media.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: I know the spring one was hugely successful, big class.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody enjoyed it.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed it.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually my first one I got to attend, too.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's right.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I guess it was, wasn't it?
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: So it's fun to see the people come in not really knowing what to expect, and that I think to a person, at the end, they've all learned a lot in about the police department, and maybe like, I had no idea this is the way things worked.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: And and it really does its job when it comes to exposing all the elements of what we do.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Oh, absolutely.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Citizens Police Academy and the Junior Police Academy for that fact is uh eye-opening not only to the folks coming in and being a part of it, but also to us because you know, s these are folks from our community that we're able to get out, talk with, kind of get the that one-on-one conversation and build that rapport with them and kind of explain how things work around here.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell And you know what?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: They're just fun too.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: We feed them and there's jokes to be had.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, you get to meet the canines and everything else.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: So you get to go out on the street at one point and with the bomb squad and every it's just it's just fun, too.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_04: And you get to meet new people.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Oh, yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: They they love the demonstrations.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: The the bomb squad was the big hit-off on this one.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: They and then uh the SWAT team equipment, being able to like grab a hold of that shield or put on the vest that these guys do and just see like the difference in what gear they're having to use to go out here and keep the community safe.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: And you mentioned National Night Out, that is always the first Tuesday of August.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_04: Now, for the last month or so, we've been inviting people to invite us to their celebrations.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna be at it all over town, quite frankly.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: So just look for if you see a large presence of APD officers on Tuesday, that date, what is that, August 3rd?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: August 5th.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: August 5th.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so it's August 5th, and you're like, man, I am seeing a lot of cops out tonight.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: Fear not, that is national night out, and we're just joining people in their neighborhoods.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come out, talk to us.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: You have some questions, you just want to hang out for a little while.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's perfectly fine.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're we're gonna be out and about, so please come speak with us.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_04: Love getting to know folks out there.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: And we do that with coffee with a cop as well.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: I know we're still nailing down that next one.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we're gonna do coffee with a cop.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we're playing it in September 12th, and we're looking in West Asheville for the location.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're contacting a couple of businesses out there and see where we're gonna have it.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Be on the lookout on the next pod squad.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, we'll have the location nailed down.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: Come see us, have coffee.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's kind of my side of town.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: So there's uh there's a lot of coffee shops over there.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: So looking forward to uh to that one coming up.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: So something else that I know that you do around here and that I've seen is tour groups.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: I'll I'll look up at one point and then there's like 15 rug rats staring at me, or you know, sometimes they're younger, sometimes they're in their teens, sometimes they're, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten, whatever they happen to be.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: All ages.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: So they contact the Asheville Police Department and uh would request a tour of the building.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_04: And it's kind of a a little kind of mini-way of a junior police academy, just like a one-day field trip.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: But that's something that you do and others do.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_04: But I know that it's not something you've been doing very long, and it wasn't that easy for you because the building itself Yes, so it's it's a little bit of a maze in here.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Even whenever we first give the tour for like Citizens Police Academy or the Junior Academy, still takes a couple days to get used to it.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure you remember, but God, the first I remember the first month.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, first of all, the first day.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_04: I had no idea where I was going.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: I uh you know, there Samantha Booth, my boss, is just taking me here and they're taking me there.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: This is where so-and-so is.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: This is where I'm not gonna I'm never gonna remember this.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because the strange thing about this building is it's a split-level building in a way, because of the way that it lands on this hill.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, right.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_04: So the first floor is the basement.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so you enter the building on the second floor, but even where you enter on the second floor is almost the third floor, because you go up just this ramp, like you're on the second floor, you're on the second floor, boom, you're on the third floor.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's very confusing.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, unless you've done it a few times, you're gonna get confused to where you're going and get turned around very quickly.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: I know I didn't know all the spots until this February, whenever I come to community engagement.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I had to get a new tour of the building.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing this over nine years, and I still had to like learn where everything was.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Well, you're gonna have to relearn because apparently they're redoing a bunch of offices and moving some people around.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be fun for everyone.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're all gonna be confused and trying to figure out where everyone went.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_04: You're like, I'm looking for Mike.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: Mike's not here anymore.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, where's Jonathan?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, I don't know where's Jonathan at.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: How about Chad?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: Where's I mean, I don't know, I have no idea where anybody is.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: They're gonna have to make a map or something.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Yeah, that it seems something's gonna have to come into play here.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_04: I think the only one not moving is the chief and the deputy chiefs.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_04: I think they're staying in place, and the detectives, the CID.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_04: I think everybody else is going somewhere.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's good to keep those where they need to be, right?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Those are important folks.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_04: So I and I know uh we've got a tour group taking place right now that you're not uh handling, but they're they're walking around the building.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh they are the Buncombe County Youth Internship.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: So do you know much about these folks?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know much about them.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I've been out for a little while, so I come back in.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh senior officer Carrie Lee, she's she got everything set up.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna be walking them around.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna be heading this way very shortly.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we are we're giving those tours.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you want more tours, uh and those that are be listening, I know school's about to start, whether it's school time, summertime, contact us by email, apd community engagement division at asheville nc.gov.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Set up a tour with us, come by.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: You get to see the entire department.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: We'll show you around our CID office with our detectives, the community engagement group, the patrol offices.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: You get to see uh all of our admin staff in their working zones, our recruit recruitment development area.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we have our IA area.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Come see Rick.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_04: You'll meet therapy dog officer Cora.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: She is always a big hit.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you need a little therapy.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: She does that uh that was it the chest compression.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, chest you lay down on the floor or something.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, don't get don't be afraid if a big dog lays on top of you if you lay on the ground here.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: Because that's what she's supposed to do.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a little soothing.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the opportunity to do it.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: It is kind of nice.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: It is got it's nice.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, so we got during school years, we'll have a lot of school groups.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this is summer right now, so we've had some uh some camps that have come by.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_04: And then these folks here, the Buncombe County Youth Internships.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_04: So, did I tell you what we're gonna do?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna do a little pop quiz forms.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna put them on the spot by putting them on the podcast.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even know if they know this is going to happen yet, but this is good experience for them.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good that's a good surprise for them.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: So Carrie Lee's gonna be bringing them around here any second, and we're gonna be asking them all a question, and they're gonna get to like pull out of the can here, and they'll get each gonna pull a different question, and they're gonna have to answer it right there on the spot.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: We may learn something very interesting.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: I hope we do.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so senior police officer Justin Lewis with the community engagement division, we thank you for stopping by and sharing the latest.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having me.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_04: Have a good one.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, you just heard Officer Lewis and myself talking about the Buncombe County Youth Internship, taking a tour of the building that we call 81, which is the main headquarters for the Asheville Police Department, the municipal building right here in downtown Asheville.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: We have tourists coming through all the time, and this time we have got six young people that are gonna join us on the podcast.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_04: So here's the deal: I have got a uh basket of questions.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, they're each gonna answer one question, they're gonna pull it out.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_04: They don't know what the question is in advance.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: So it's basically an introduction.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: They'll tell us their name and then read the question and answer the question, and we'll see where that goes.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: First up.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: My name is Devin.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: When I grow up, I want to be, I'm kind of in the between dancing, because I like to dance.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Or FBI, because I love, you know, law enforcement and things like that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I just love watching a lot of FBI and Law and Order and stuff like that, TV shows.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now that I've done this, I'm kind of leaning more towards FBI.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_04: So those are two totally different fields.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: They are, yeah.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: So at some point, you're gonna have to make a decision.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_04: Or, you know, here's the thing: you could go into law enforcement and you could also dance.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: You know, on the side, you could do it semi-professional or just, you know, go out to a club.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: You got some moves already?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Agent on the weekdays and dancer on the weekends.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: See, maybe that's something very unique just for you, Devin.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_04: All right, well, thank you very much.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_04: Next.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_07: Hi, my name is Saani, and my favorite video game is Call of Duty.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Call of Duty.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_04: So you like those?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_04: Do you get online and like play with people all over the world, or do you really?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: So you're good at it.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_07: I don't rank a lot though, but that's okay.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: See, when I grew up, old school, as you can tell, looking at me, I'm old, right?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: So Atari, like the original Atari, nothing but a joystick and a button.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's what we had growing up.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: So things have changed considerably.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: So do you have a friend that you play Call of Duty with, like right here in town?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_07: Who is it?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_07: We go to school together.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_07: Her name is Scarlett.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_07: It's really fun playing with her.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_07: When we play together, we're always laughing.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: Awesome.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thank you, Siani.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_04: You're welcome.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_04: Next.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_12: My name is Opal, and my favorite place to go on vacation.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_12: It's definitely the beach.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_12: I love swimming and I love hot weather.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: So which beach?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_04: You got a lot to choose from living in North Carolina.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_12: I do.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_12: I'm gonna be honest.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_12: I only really go to Myrtle with my family.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_12: We've been to Ocean Isle a few times, and that beach or that beach is beautiful, but yeah, probably Myrtle.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: So I lived in Charleston for three years.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: So I lived in James Island, which is right near Folly Beach.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_12: Oh, yeah.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: And for years, my wife and I would vacation in Isle of Palms, which is also in Charleston.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: I would say this about the beach.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_04: Love going there.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_04: Not sure I want to live there again.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_12: Oh yeah, that's fair.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_12: The hot weather all year round.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_04: And lots and lots of people all year round.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_12: All the tourists.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Opal.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_12: Well, thank you so much for the first time.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you very much.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_05: That was an easy answer for you, right?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_05: Next.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_05: My name is Jake, and my favorite musical artist is Kneecap.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_05: See, you've stumped me.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so they're pretty cool.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_05: So this is an uh kneecap, they're an Irish hip-hop trio.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_05: They've been in the news a little bit recently, but they rap about themes like, you know, Irish Republicanism, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_05: They're from Northern Ireland to Belfast.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um and, you know, advocates for keeping the Irish language alive.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_04: Were they the ones that got in trouble uh and kicked out of that one festival for getting political?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_04: Was that them?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: I think that was.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_04: I I didn't read the whole thing about it, but I just know that they kind of got in trouble.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: But I guess that's the kind of artist that they are.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: Pushing boundaries.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_05: Uh they made a really good movie uh in 2024, kind of a fictionalized version of their story.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-huh.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and it did really well.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_05: So definitely worth a watch.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that is definitely a different band.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Jake.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, thank you.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: Appreciate you.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: Next.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_08: My name is Aaliyah, and my favorite pizza topping is the regular pepperoni.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that doesn't make you a bad person at all, because it's the best topping.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_04: So let me ask you this, Aaliyah.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_04: Is it just pepperoni?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: Are you one of those that just wants the one topping?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: Or are we talking pepperoni and just pepperoni?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, let me just pitch this.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: How do you feel about banana peppers?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_08: Never tried it.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_08: I'm a picky eater.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_04: I love a pepperoni pizza.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_04: Make no mistake.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have a favorite place in town?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_08: Papa John's.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: Papa John's.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_08: The most sauce on the pizza.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's true, actually.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_04: My wife used to like Papa John's.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_04: We have a place on our side of town called Galactic Pizza.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's on Sardis Road.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to go out somewhere sometime, and do this for me once.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but keep it in the back of your head.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: Pepperoni and banana peppers.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_04: Because what you've got is that salty, sweet combination all in one bite.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: Just something to keep in mind.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Aaliyah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_11: Thank you.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: Next.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_11: My name is Diana, and my favorite holiday is Wow.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_11: I actually don't know.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um I just figured everyone would automatically say Christmas, but is that is that not the one?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_11: I don't think.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_11: I think Christmas is full uh it's not even really the real um like how it's supposed to be.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_11: You know, you're supposed to be celebrating the birth, you know, of um of Jesus.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_11: I agree.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_11: You know, just people people think Christmas is like spending, gift giving.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_11: Like, will they like this gift?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_11: And like I found myself in situations like that too.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_11: I'm like, I need to spend this much money because I have to buy them a gift.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_11: But I just feel like that takes away from Christmas.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_11: What I do like about Christmas is um being with family and that everyone gets together.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_11: But I the gift part I feel like I could live without.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's why Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: Because the gathering with the family, usually, you know, a big meal.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: You're breaking bread together, it's usually an all-day thing, and you also get to watch football.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_11: I don't think I have a favorite holiday, honestly.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_11: Um I don't think I have how about your birthday.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Would that jump to the top of the list?
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_11: I forget my birthday actually.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_04: Of an Arbor Day.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: Do you like trees?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_11: Um actually I feel like I'm very boring.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_11: So honestly, with the birthday thing, like I forgot my birthday last year.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_11: This year I almost forgot it.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_11: Honestly, it's just the people in my life that reminded me it was my birthday.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_11: That's right.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_11: Grateful I have special people like that.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thank you, Diana.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, of course, thank you.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: So for Diana, Aliyah, Jake, Opal, Siani, and Devin, all from the Buncombe County Youth Internship.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: It was great meeting you and getting to know you, and thanks for joining me on the APD Pod Squad.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: Time once again for everybody's favorite segment.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's the History Minute with Hannah Silberman.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: I know there's some people out there, Hannah, that are like, you know, I timed you guys last time, and it was way more than a minute.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that's just the name of it.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_04: And uh it could be two minutes, it could be five, eight, ten.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: Where are we going this time?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_04: What year are we talking about?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_06: 1943.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: 1943.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_04: I like it.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: Walk me through it.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: What's our history minute for 1943?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_06: Kind of reminiscent of a classic movie chase that happened in August of 1943.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_06: At the time we had a number of temporary officers who were working for the department because of World War II.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_06: And one of them was an officer named Fletcher Brown.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_06: He'd only been on patrol for a few months, and back then you didn't get training.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_04: And he Wait a second, I gotta stop you there.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_04: The the phrase, back then you didn't get training.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: Did you get like a pamphlet or a basic here's what we got going on?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_06: You got a badge and a uniform, and they told you to go out and figure it out.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_04: Was there a background check at least?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_04: Some sort of can somebody vouch for this guy, or let's just hope that was part of the process at least.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_06: He would have had to test it for civil service.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: For the civil service.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, good.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_04: So there was a little bit of checks and balances.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_06: Although the temporary officers weren't covered by it, I would assume that there was some kind of selection process.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, go ahead.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry to interrupt.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_06: So he runs up to Pac Square, he sees a man he suspects of shooting a gun, who's later identified as Frank Roberts, pop in a taxi cab.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_06: So Officer Brown, who did not have a car, got in another taxicab and said, Follow that car.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_04: Shut up.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_04: So this is what everyone dreams of.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_04: You see in these old movies, like you just kind of said, it's like, follow that car.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_04: And did they?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_06: They did.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_06: So they initiate a pursuit with two taxis.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: So uh I would guess it's a dream of every taxicab driver to have someone say follow that car as well.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_06: Uh although it it didn't turn out super great for the taxicab drivers, because um, as the officer's cab caught up with the other cab, it was at Market and Beaumont Street, which is kind of behind public works today.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_04: I got you.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_06: That steep hill that goes between the public works building.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_06: And so both of the taxicabs stop.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_06: Officer Brown exits his taxi and starts to approach the one occupied by Roberts.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_06: But right as he does, Robert pulls a gun and start points it at the officer to fire it.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: This is truly out of an old black and white movie.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_06: The taxi cab driver sees this happening, so he reaches back and throws Robert's arm up in the air so it misses uh Officer Brown, but it hits him in the shoulder.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_06: So he probably would have died if that taxi driver hadn't intervened.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: The taxi driver being the good Samaritan there, stepping up, saving the day.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_06: But as the taxi driver did that, he saw that the police officer drew his gun and was about to fire at them.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_06: So he bails out of the taxi.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_04: Well, sure, he's in the line of fire.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_06: So all totally reasonable things to do, but it causes that taxi to start rolling down that steep, steep hill.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_06: So this was before public works existed there.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_06: So it was just kind of a hill with a creek at the bottom.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_06: So as the vehicle is rolling down the hill, Officer Brown opens fire, he empties his gun into it, but it was a 1950s taxi or 1940s taxicab.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_06: So none of the bullets hit this man.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_06: Right, those things exhausted steel tanks.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_06: Uh but it does go down to the bottom of the hill and wedges itself into the bank so he can't get out.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_06: So at this point, poor Officer Brown, who's been shot in the shoulder, has run out of ammunition because he didn't have any extra.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_06: So he goes to a neighbor's house or a nearby resident and asks them to reload his gun.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_04: Just assuming they'd have extra ammo lying around.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_06: And they did, and they reloaded his gun and he went and apprehended Frank Roberts.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_04: This is the second amazing thing about this story.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_04: So, first of all, of course, follow that car actually takes place.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_04: And then he goes to just a local citizen's house, empty gun, with a bullet in his shoulder.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_04: They don't suspect anything's wrong with that.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_04: They just load his gun for him and give it back to him, and then he goes back to the scene.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, and he captures Mr.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_06: Roberts.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: Holy cow.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_04: Did this guy get some kind of award?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, something.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta give that guy something.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, but they did find that the gun was stolen and Mr.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_06: Roberts was convicted of assault with a deadly weapon, and he got four years in prison.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't say, I'm sure, in the story, what type of gun it was, but I imagine there was a whole lot less calibers back in the day.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like now we have so many different calibers of weapons that the odds of you having the right ammunition for the gun would probably be low.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_04: But I would think back then your odds were probably what, 38 or 45?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: Those are probably your two choices, right?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, maybe.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe it's uh I mean they didn't have all the variety, I wouldn't think, as we do today.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_06: But Officer Brown suffered pretty severe damage to his arm.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_06: And in 1951 he had to retire on disability, so it wasn't it wasn't all roses.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: Not bad for attempt though.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: I give the guy full credit for first of all, he heard gunshots, and as a guy that's not even you know a fully trained full-time officer, he went toward the shots instead of shirking away.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_04: So man's got some guts.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_06: In the 1940s, they didn't have handheld radios, so there's no way that he could have called for backup.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_04: They were only on the assistance.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_06: So he he knew he was on his own unless somebody else heard the shots and also kind of and that's why he would have to go to the neighbor's house because he couldn't call for another officer to come unless he used the phone.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: And did they call the police or I would assume they did, but you know, he had to go.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: Follow that car from 1943 in the history minute with Hannah Silberman.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_04: That was a good one today, Hannah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:39
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• 44:41
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• 44:52
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• 44:54
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• 45:39
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