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The Late Debate | 6 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Joe wait Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. The AFL might have tried to outlaw the bump,
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  Speaker 3: but a South Australian footy fan has used it to
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  Speaker 3: great effect in a citizen's arrest. Will show you what
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  Speaker 3: happened a little later. Plus when we look at what's
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  Speaker 3: making news tomorrow. Of course cyclone Alfred the big story,
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  Speaker 3: how the papers are reporting that, and don't forget we'll
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  Speaker 3: provide regular updates throughout the weekend here on Sky News.
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  Speaker 3: Plus an incredible story in Melbourne a teenager at Avalon
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  Speaker 3: Airport managed to board a Jetstar flight with a shotgun,
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  Speaker 3: a loaded shotgun. All of that when we get to
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow's papers. But first, speaking of AFL, I'm a massive
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  Speaker 3: AFL fan, Caleb is a massive AFL fan, Liz is
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  Speaker 3: learning to be a massive AFLAT Wesson.
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  Speaker 4: I will sing the song to pro loyal.
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  Speaker 3: Do not lose them, so we won't have Liz do
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  Speaker 3: any musical numbers.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you could say.
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  Speaker 5: Lizzie is a big, big sound though I think that
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  Speaker 5: would be apt.
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  Speaker 3: That is very true here's something I didn't know about
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  Speaker 3: the AFL. Though it's a registered charity and doesn't pay
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  Speaker 3: any tax, it's tax exemption status states back to the
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  Speaker 3: nineteen fifties and was granted by the government in recognition
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  Speaker 3: of the work it does to promote community sport.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough, but the AFL is a very different beast
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  Speaker 3: these days. It's a one billion dollar a year business.
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  Speaker 3: The CEO earns well over three million dollars a year,
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  Speaker 3: and so there are calls for the AFL and other
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  Speaker 3: sports I must say, like the NRL to start paying tax.
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  Speaker 3: This all comes out of report in the Journal of
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  Speaker 3: Australian Taxation.
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  Speaker 2: I must say. It's a sad, sad life, Caleb.
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  Speaker 3: When you are spending your time reading the Journal of
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  Speaker 3: Australian are you.
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  Speaker 1: Telling me you don't read it every night.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a while, Caleb, it's been while.
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  Speaker 5: I go home every evening, crack a bottle of red,
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  Speaker 5: read the Australian Journal Taxation, and then I call my
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  Speaker 5: accountant tap to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about what I've read. I thought everyone did it.
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  Speaker 3: Not everyone, But let me tell you what it says
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  Speaker 3: for those who aren't reading the Taxation Journal. The tax
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  Speaker 3: exemption given to the AFL is not justified because on
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  Speaker 3: the size of the league's revenues. The tax exemption was
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  Speaker 3: designed for community sporting clubs and leagues with low levels
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  Speaker 3: of income and not wealthy professional sports entities. Now it
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  Speaker 3: goes on to talk about two problems with the AFL
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  Speaker 3: not paying tax the revenue and the size of the
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  Speaker 3: CEO's salary package. But I'm not sure their good arguments, Liz,
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  Speaker 3: because when you look at the size of the AFL's revenue,
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  Speaker 3: it's a billion dollars. But World Vision have a revenue
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  Speaker 3: in Australia of about four hundred and fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: The Salvation Army have an annual revenue in this country
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  Speaker 3: of about eight hundred and ninety two million dollars. They're
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  Speaker 3: charities that do great work. It's not the size of
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  Speaker 3: the revenue, it's how much you contribute back into the community.
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  Speaker 3: And as for executive salaries, if you're running an organization
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  Speaker 3: like the AFL with so many moving parts, it's a
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  Speaker 3: national organization, you've got thousands of employees, you've got a
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  Speaker 3: billion dollar a year income. Well, you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: pay someone pittance to run that. You're looking for someone
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  Speaker 3: who would be able to bear that responsibility. They've got
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  Speaker 3: five hundred and twenty six thousand registered players in this country,
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  Speaker 3: most of those in community sports, and ten percent of
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  Speaker 3: all of their revenue goes back into local sport.
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I don't think anyone has a problem with the
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  Speaker 6: salaries of the head honchos, who will say running the clubs,
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  Speaker 6: running the leagues. The problem is, I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 6: but this became a game. As a complete spribes to me,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't know that these guys around. We're talking about
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  Speaker 6: a billion dollar industry here, and even more than that
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  Speaker 6: if you throw in cricket Australia, the NRL, the list
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  Speaker 6: goes on. I didn't know that these guys had this
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  Speaker 6: tax exemption. It's very hard to argue when you look
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  Speaker 6: at the minuture of it that this isn't a business,
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  Speaker 6: and a very lucrative one at that. When you think
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  Speaker 6: of non for profits, you think of organizations that focus
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  Speaker 6: on health education, the financially disadvantage, you do not think
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  Speaker 6: of billion dollar sporting leagues. What needs to happen here
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  Speaker 6: is pretty obvious, and that is the law needs to
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  Speaker 6: differentiate between those amateur sporting.
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  Speaker 4: Clubs that should be tax exempt.
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  Speaker 6: We want all those country kids and whatever else. It
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  Speaker 6: is the smaller community sporting clubs, absolutely, and that was
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  Speaker 6: the intention of the nineteen fifties legislation.
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  Speaker 4: That they would be exempt.
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  Speaker 6: Back in the nineteen fifties, we didn't have these massive,
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  Speaker 6: behemoth leagues who were posting huge revenues, huge profits every year.
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  Speaker 4: And sure they give a bit.
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  Speaker 6: Back, but let's keep in mind some of their revenue
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  Speaker 6: comes from these massive sponsorships lucrative broadcasting deals.
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  Speaker 4: Then we've got the fact that.
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  Speaker 6: They receive tens of millions of dollars in the form
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  Speaker 6: of a percentage of the income of betting agencies.
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  Speaker 4: This is a business.
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  Speaker 6: There's no way, shape or form in which they should
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  Speaker 6: be considered a non for profit.
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  Speaker 4: And the change that.
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  Speaker 6: Needs to happen is exactly what New Zealand has in
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  Speaker 6: their legislation, where they differentiate between the big wigs and
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  Speaker 6: the little guys who should be tax exempt.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is the problem right now.
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  Speaker 5: As someone who reads the Taxation Journal, I can tell
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  Speaker 5: you that it is Section fifty point four to five
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  Speaker 5: of the Income Tax Assessment Act that provides this exemption.
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  Speaker 5: But I think this is the problem because you wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have an argument against it if you could say that
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  Speaker 5: all of the money that flows into the AFL and
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  Speaker 5: the NRL is put back into the local clubs and is.
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  Speaker 1: Put to good use.
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  Speaker 5: But when you watch sporting leagues having gay pride rounds
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  Speaker 5: and all this sort of thing, spending their money on
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  Speaker 5: things that is not really for the betterment of the
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  Speaker 5: sport in any way is making some kind of.
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  Speaker 1: A political overture.
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  Speaker 5: And quite often we've seen the big sporting leagues get
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  Speaker 5: involved in politics in this country. If you want to
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  Speaker 5: go down that road, you can have the right to
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  Speaker 5: do it.
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to call you a business.
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  Speaker 5: If you are a not for profit outfit that is
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  Speaker 5: solely involved in promoting sport which is good for health,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera in the country, I've got no problem calling
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  Speaker 5: you and not for profit. But if they're to go
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  Speaker 5: down that road and they have, I think they're a business.
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  Speaker 5: They're making shed loads of money. And if you want
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  Speaker 5: to argue that football is a public good, and I
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  Speaker 5: would say it is a public good, it's great.
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  Speaker 3: For our mental health, if it not our physical health.
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  Speaker 3: But although supporting North Melbourne is not good for you.
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  Speaker 5: It wouldn't it for your blood pressure either. I'd be
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  Speaker 5: going to see your doctor about that. But surely me
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  Speaker 5: doing this program is a public good, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I'm informing the public of things they may not have known.
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  Speaker 1: I'm giving entertainment to people.
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  Speaker 5: I'm giving a company to people who might be at
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  Speaker 5: home on their own, and this is a bit of connection.
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  Speaker 1: To the world.
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  Speaker 5: That's a public good. So why do I have to
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  Speaker 5: pay tax? I mean, if you keep following this down
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  Speaker 5: the line, basically everyone can argue that what they're doing
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  Speaker 5: is somehow a public good and so they should be
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  Speaker 5: classified as a not for profit. The only problem with
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  Speaker 5: the not for profit thing is that they will argue
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  Speaker 5: the AFL, the NRL, every other sporting league that they are,
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  Speaker 5: in the truest sense, are not for profit because they
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  Speaker 5: don't deliver a dividend to a hareholder, right, so the
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  Speaker 5: money doesn't ultimately flow in profit to someone else. And
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  Speaker 5: on that point you'll probably never win the argument. But
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  Speaker 5: when you're making the money they are, it's pretty clear
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  Speaker 5: it's operating like a business even though it's technically a
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  Speaker 5: not for profit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, any good charity should operate like a business, because
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  Speaker 3: if you're not making money, but.
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  Speaker 1: There are a certain liberty if people, there are certain
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  Speaker 1: liberties you shouldn't be taking.
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  Speaker 3: If you are an agree which the AFL is the
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  Speaker 3: most woke sporting organization in the country. If they are
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  Speaker 3: getting charity status, they shouldn't be having all these different
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  Speaker 3: rounds that divide the community. I should point out they've
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  Speaker 3: got a billion dollars and your revenue there and your
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  Speaker 3: profit last year I think was forty five million, so
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  Speaker 3: that's important to note.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, speaking of profit.
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  Speaker 5: An interesting column today in the Daily Telegraph from their
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  Speaker 5: property reporter Jonathan Chancellor. He's been in the game a
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  Speaker 5: long time, but he's written about the plan that's going
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  Speaker 5: to come in at the end of the month for
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  Speaker 5: foreign buyers to be banned from buying.
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  Speaker 1: Existing homes in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Now he's mounted the argument that it will make basically
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  Speaker 5: zero difference to the availability of housing.
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  Speaker 1: In Australia, and he may well be right on that point.
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  Speaker 5: It's only two percent of property, residential property that is
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  Speaker 5: owned by foreign investors in Australia. Most of that is
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  Speaker 5: off the plan stuff. It's not existing properties, but in
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  Speaker 5: the last quarter or the last quarter that we have
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  Speaker 5: numbers four, which was the first quarter of the financial year.
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  Speaker 5: The September quarter, there was one point three billion dollars
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  Speaker 5: spent by foreign investors on residential property in Australia, and
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  Speaker 5: that is potentially one point three billion dollars of property
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  Speaker 5: that Australians otherwise could have bought. So the Coalition mounted
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  Speaker 5: an election promise in their Budget reply speech last year
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  Speaker 5: that they would ban foreign investors from buying homes in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: The Labor Party recently matched that.
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  Speaker 1: There was some polling done.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was about sixty three percent support for
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  Speaker 5: that idea, so Labor said, well, we.
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  Speaker 1: Better get on board with this.
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  Speaker 5: Chancellor writes actually that you've had an increase in foreign
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  Speaker 5: investors trying to get into the market anticipating this ban
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  Speaker 5: coming in on.
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  Speaker 1: April the first.
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  Speaker 5: But regardless of whether or not it actually makes a
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  Speaker 5: substantial difference, I don't see how you can argue it's
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  Speaker 5: a bad thing, because surely Australian property should be available
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  Speaker 5: for Australian people. I don't think that's controversial to say,
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  Speaker 5: and my major problem with it is that it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: go far enough. It bans the purchase of existing properties,
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  Speaker 5: but not off the plan. So if you're a Chinese investor,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, we often talk about Chinese investors because
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  Speaker 5: they make up at least half of the people spending
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  Speaker 5: money in this country. But there are people from other
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  Speaker 5: countries investing in Australia too. But why should you be
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  Speaker 5: able to come in with all your money and buy
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  Speaker 5: thirty apartments off the plan and then say well, I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to put them up for end when they're apartments
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  Speaker 5: that a first home buyer potentially could have snapped up.
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  Speaker 5: But how are you, as a first home buyer going
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  Speaker 5: to compete with Richie rich sitting over in China, who
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  Speaker 5: can buy the whole damn.
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  Speaker 6: Building, especially when most sales are by auction nowadays, especially
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  Speaker 6: if you're anywhere on the East Coast.
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  Speaker 4: It's auction auction option. So richest man wins.
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  Speaker 6: And guess what, foreign investors are extremely wealthy. So you're
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  Speaker 6: quite right all these missing out.
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  Speaker 4: But why is this ban only for two years? Runs
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  Speaker 4: out in March twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: They'll review it.
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  Speaker 4: Not good at yes, then they'll review it.
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  Speaker 6: But this is a national good just to ban it outright?
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  Speaker 6: Why does it only include new homes as you've rightly asked, Caleb, and.
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  Speaker 4: Why is it not immediate? Real estate agents.
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  Speaker 6: I was on several websites today and they're all saying, great,
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  Speaker 6: now we've seen this massive uptick in foreign buyers who
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  Speaker 6: were trying to get on the gravy train before the
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  Speaker 6: door slam shut on April the first.
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  Speaker 4: It should have been immediate.
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  Speaker 6: If you asked me, what would we have missed out
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  Speaker 6: on by making it immediate. Absolutely nothing except for less
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  Speaker 6: foreign investors snapping up properties that should be going into
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  Speaker 6: Ossie hands.
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  Speaker 4: It's that clear.
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  Speaker 6: And let's not forget even though this may may not
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  Speaker 6: make much of a difference, won't even put a dent
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  Speaker 6: in the housing crisis. Heck, it's a step in the
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  Speaker 6: right direction. This government, all of the government, state and federal,
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  Speaker 6: got together in twenty twenty three and launched this big idea.
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  Speaker 6: They called it, what was it, the National Housing Accord.
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  Speaker 4: So impressive. We're going to be building twenty.
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  Speaker 6: Thousand houses every month for five years straight. We are
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  Speaker 6: going to build one point two million houses.
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  Speaker 4: That was supposed to kick off in July.
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  Speaker 6: Right know how many new houses have been approved since then,
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  Speaker 6: ninety thousand.
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  Speaker 4: We are not putting a dent in it.
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  Speaker 6: They get together, they make these amazing announcements and don't
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  Speaker 6: deliver on it. In fact, put nothing in place in
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  Speaker 6: order to ensure that it was even possible. This is
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  Speaker 6: going to be the same. It's in the lead up
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  Speaker 6: to an election. It sounds like a very good headline,
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  Speaker 6: but it's temporary.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't cover off a new homes.
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  Speaker 6: So what about all the new homes that are being
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  Speaker 6: built during that time?
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  Speaker 4: They're totally open to foreign investors.
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  Speaker 6: What's the use of even bulking up our supply, which
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  Speaker 6: we're not doing, but for argument's sake, let's say we
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  Speaker 6: were when the foreign investors can get their mits on
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  Speaker 6: it first.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this policy is the brainchild of Claire O'Neill, who
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  Speaker 3: rose to fame as the Home Affairs Ministry.
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  Speaker 2: Remember she and Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: Giles did such a great job bringing a huge number
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  Speaker 3: of immigrants into our country, which may have had something
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  Speaker 3: to do with the housing shortage we're now experiencing. She said,
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  Speaker 3: and I quote it's not a silver bullet to the
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  Speaker 3: housing crisis, because there is no silver bullet. But I
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  Speaker 3: really firmly believe it's good. She doesn't just believe, she
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  Speaker 3: really firm yeah, yeah, that given the housing pressures that
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  Speaker 3: Australians are facing today, we need to orient the entire
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  Speaker 3: efforts of the Australian government around security of housing for Australians.
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  Speaker 3: It's estimated that this policy will free up about one thousand,
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  Speaker 3: eight hundred homes a year. That's out of about half
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  Speaker 3: a million that are sold every year. So it really
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  Speaker 3: is a drop in the ocean. If Claire O'Neill and
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  Speaker 3: the federal government were serious about solving the housing shortage,
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  Speaker 3: they'd do something that involved her previous portfolio, which was immigration.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's the.
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  Speaker 5: Think is there are really only two ways you can
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  Speaker 5: do anything about this. That is to turn off the
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  Speaker 5: tap of migration though it should have been turned off
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  Speaker 5: a long time ago, and increase the supply of homes.
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  Speaker 5: But it is the increased supply that will be up
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  Speaker 5: for grabs for the foreign investors. So what was the
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  Speaker 5: point of all that, you know, unless we're saying again
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  Speaker 5: that everyone must rent forever.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think as a society we want that
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  Speaker 1: to be the case.
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  Speaker 5: But even if it's eighteen hundred and sixteen hundred extra homes,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's potentially eighteen hundred and sixteen hundred extra
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  Speaker 5: new families who have a house to live in that
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  Speaker 5: they can call their own. I don't care if the
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  Speaker 5: number is fifty houses. If that means there are fifty
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  Speaker 5: Australians who have a piece of dirt that they own,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a good policy. No one's saying it's
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  Speaker 5: going to fix the world, but it's a step in
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  Speaker 5: the right direction. And I think the principle is the
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  Speaker 5: most important thing here that Australian property should be for
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  Speaker 5: Australian people.
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  Speaker 6: Oh imagine that an Australian government putting Australians first.
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  Speaker 4: Mind blowing.
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  Speaker 6: Speaking of this government, the big question on everyone's minds
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  Speaker 6: is is alban Easy going to call the election this
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  Speaker 6: weekend or within the week. It's highly expected.
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  Speaker 4: But now with cyclone. I was about to say cyclone elbow.
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  Speaker 2: To cyclone and it.
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  Speaker 5: Was going to be called Anthony, so that they couldn't
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  Speaker 5: do it. But someone emailed me the other day and said, look,
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  Speaker 5: it's a good thing they didn't call it Anthony, because
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  Speaker 5: we've already got two s hi t storms going on
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  Speaker 5: in this country at the moment, and one of them
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  Speaker 5: is called Anthony.
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  Speaker 3: But we didn't need a second one with the other
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  Speaker 3: irony about this is that just the other day, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they've been tracking the pathway of the cyclone and it
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  Speaker 3: keeps changing. But at one point they were predicting that
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  Speaker 3: the cyclone was going to go straight through Peter Dutton's seat.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just north of Brisbane.
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  Speaker 3: So could you imagine cyclone Anthony going through Dutton's electric.
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  Speaker 2: Just destroying it.
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  Speaker 3: Very symbolic Alfrid cyclone.
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  Speaker 6: Alfred so alban Easy of course has been asked about
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  Speaker 6: this here.
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  Speaker 4: He was earlier.
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  Speaker 6: Today on Sky being like like, oh, the election, last
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  Speaker 6: thing on my mind right now.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't call an election in the face of a
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  Speaker 7: natural disaster like this.
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  Speaker 6: That's just not going to I mean that will that
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  Speaker 6: would be a tiny which you don't have, that would
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  Speaker 6: that couldn't happen.
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  Speaker 8: Surely, Kieran, I'm focused on not on votes. I'm focused
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  Speaker 8: on lives. I'm focused on Australians and Australians showing our character.
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  Speaker 2: At this debuilt time.
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  Speaker 8: You know what I've been focused on, Kieren is governing.
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  Speaker 8: We have a budget that we're prepared for and we
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: put out the time.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like you're delivering the budget.
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  Speaker 8: Well, we put out the timetable of that last year. Karen,
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: what a line.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not focused on votes, I'm focused on lie.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: See the smirk on his face when he says I
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: came up with a good line.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: A good line, feet right, I did.
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: There's some staff sitting in the PM's office being like nailed.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I thought he was laughing because he's like, are they
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: really going to buy this? And then say I'm focused
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: on governing? Or did he say at some point I'll
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: get around to governing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I could.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: He's focused on governing, not campaigning.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: This isn't about compaining this could.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: I think it very much depends on how big of
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: a natural disaster this turns out to be.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: You're talking about his prime ministership or you're talking about it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: We already know that that's a very very natural disaster,
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: huge fallout from that one. But if in fact cyclone
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: Alfred turns out to be as we all hope so,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: not as detrimental as some are projecting.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: These things are highly unpredictable.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: You just never know until when and where it hits
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: how bad it's going to be. Of course, if it
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: does turn into a proper national emergency, he'd be totally
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: teneed to call it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: And if it turns out to.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Be, say, a really bad storm and not that many
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: people are homeless, et cetera, and so on, I reckon
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: he will go for all. This momentum has been building
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: for a Sunday announcement. So as we said earlier when
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: we were discussing this off air, poor.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Guy's damned if he doesn't.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Damned if he doesn't, because if he doesn't, everyone will
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: be like what a cower. Now he's just using this
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: as an excuse to put it off for as long
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: as he can, And if he does, everyone will be like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: how could you While Australia is grieving and we've got
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: floods and we've got.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: So there really is no win here for Albany's.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But you've got to tell you is what you were
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: telling us a fair about someone you know in Queensland
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: who they're facing the storm is approaching, but they had
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: a really good take on the election.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: So I got in touch with my aunt who's born
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: and bred a Brisbane girl, and I was like, are
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: you battening down the hatches? How's it all going? You know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Brisbane's set to be hit thinking of you guys, she says,
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: my main concern is that alban Easy is going to
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: use this to put off the election and he won't
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: announce it after. So there you go, straight out of
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: the mouth of a Queenslander. They do not want this
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: used as an excuse. Very small poll there, one person,
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: but it's still I'm rolling with it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Able to Let's say he does call an election, right
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: the cyclone hits and there's flooding and stuff, and he says,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: by the way, we're going to the polls on April twelve.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Aside from the media going oh it's bad form and
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the optics aren't good, it doesn't affect anybody's life. It
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: doesn't stop the cleanup, It doesn't change anything for anybody.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: It gives us some certainty about when the election will be,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: which would be nice rather than this ongoing speculation. So
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I really don't see a problem if in the middle
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: of the disaster cleanup or whatever, he says, by the way,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: in a few weeks we're going to the polls.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: What's the problem.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I think the fact that people are hooing and harring
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: about it is pathetic.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Really, what does it matter? Like?
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: It will not make one iota of difference to anyone's
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: life if he makes the call. Actually it'll make a
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: difference if he doesn't make the call, because it means
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: we'll have him the longer as Prime minister. But it's
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: not actually going to make it difference to anyone's life
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: in Queensland or Northern New South Wales or wherever if
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: he makes the call on the weekend or not.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Really telling me that if someone's had their roof ripped
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: off and Albert Ezy gets up on Sunday and after
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: the WA election on Saturday announces there'll be a federal
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: election that they'll be standing to go Albo, how dare
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: you call an election in my roof has being ripped off.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I think they'll be more concerned with the roof than
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: they will with Alban Easy making any sort of announcement.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But it happens often on both sides of politics.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: And they tried to do it to Dutton this week
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: as well, because he was in Sydney on Tuesday. He
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: came down for a fundraiser with Justin Hems and he
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: met up with a property developer for lunch. And you've
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: got the AFI today and a few other outlets running
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: these articles making it sound like it was scurrilous in
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: some way that Peter Dutton had come to Sydney on
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Tuesday because he's a Queenslander when it was known that
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: the cyclone was on the way here, he should have
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: been back in Queensland doing what like standing the coast,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: going and trying to stop the cyclone from coming. Like
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: he went back to Queensland yesterday. He was talking to
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Chris Kenny from his house on Wednesday evening. What do
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: you expect to do? We're in a quasi election campaign.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: I've got to stop campaigning because there's a cyclone on
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: the book.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Well, let's imagine the cyclone is an absolute fizzer, right,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: it's just a bit of a storm. Will the Australing
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Financial Review then give Peter Dutton credit for a brilliant
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: judgement like he knew it, master stroke. This guy has
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: incredible insight. I think it's a bigger problem for Anthony
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Alberonizi actually, because if he calls the election in the
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: middle of a disaster cleanup, he's not going to get
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the coverage and the headlines that you would be banking on.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: When you make that announcement, you're trying to get the
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: momentum straight away with yourself. If he makes that announcement
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a disaster, paradically.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: It might actually be the best time to do it,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: because what's he really got to go to an election
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: roit So if he starts the whole thing off without
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: actually having to talk about chip might be better for it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, bring it on a lot of hot
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: air either way.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about council because oftentimes on the late debate
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: we talk about stupid things councils are doing. But Blacktown
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Council here in Sydney have come up with a great
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: idea that I think we can all get behind. They
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: have a new policy that bans counselors from debating international
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: politics and overseas conflicts, and it demands that the council
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: maintain a mutual stance on all international affairs. Now this
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: is welcome news because you've got in a West Council
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: here in Sydney that had to have police called when
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the Greens moved the motion to ban the council from
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: associating with any companies that dealt with Israel. You had
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the City of Sydney move a similar motion and debate
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that you had the Willara Council who they actually moved
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the motion to change the street name on which the
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Russian consulate was located. They changed it from Fullerton Street
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to Ukraine Street. See what they did there. And then
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Cumberland Council they had a massive debate over whether or
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: not they should fly the Lebanese flag out the front
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: of the council chambers in support of Palestine. They used
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: ratepayer money to erect a monument for children killed in Palestine,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: and of course no one is happy about kids being killed,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: but again, what's that got.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: To do with rates, roads and rubbish.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: So the councilors at Blacktown have decided we have a
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: policy we don't debate international affairs, we don't take a
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: position on international conflicts. The only people opposing this idea,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: can you guess, the Greens who say it will limit
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: free speech, But of course it doesn't limit free speech.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: The only reason that these councilors have a platform to
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: pontificate on all these sorts of issues is because someone
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: elected them to fill potholes, and then they disrespect the
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: station they're being given to use it to talk about
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: all other things that are really not their purview. Peter Kamaliy,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: a councilor Blacktown, said, we have one hundred and eighty
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: eight nationalities of residents living in Blacktown, which does seem
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a lot considering I think there's one hundred and ninety
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: six countries.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe they have one for me, So.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: They're going to have to rename it from Blacktown to
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: everyone Town.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: It would have seen that way, but they've got one
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eight nationalities of residents living in Blacktown,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and anything that asks us to pick aside when you
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: have one hundred and eighty eight points of view will
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: only ever divide, not unite fair enough.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of things I like about this.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: First, I think obviously it will help counselors to focus.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And I know local government is pretty boring. It's mowing
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the lawn, filling in potholes, collecting bins, but it would
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: be good for them the focus on those things because
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: those things typically don't get done, but they find time
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: to debate all sorts of things from overseas. And Second,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: calib I reckon it would weed out some of these
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: people that run for local government, and maybe we would
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: end up people who are there to actually represent residents
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: rather than activists who aren't quite good enough to make
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it in the state or federal politics, like you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: like security guards who couldn't make the police force, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I got into security of course standing outside kmart. And
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: so they use a council platform to grandstand and fulfill
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: their dream of you know, pontificating about international affairs.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Get rid of those people.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Of course, I hope you don't run into any caman
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: security guards anytime soon that you might have to pay
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: for saying that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But I mean this should be pro former.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Every council should just do this now. Of course they
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: won't do it because they're not there just to worry
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: about roads rates and rubbish many of them.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And like you say, you know, it may be boring,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: but it's really important.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, these are things that we deal with every
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: single day, driving on the roads, walking through the parks,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: having our rubbish empty. This is stuff that is arguably
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: in many ways more important than stuff that our federal
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: and state politicians are dealing with.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Big How does it affects your everyday life?
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: It is important, But what was your list of things
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: you had there before?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Who was it put? Change the street to Ukraine.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It was the Willara Council war solved.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: What else did you have there?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: We had the Cumberland councils erected a monument to children
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: who have died in Palestine because of the Gaza conflict.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Waring Gaza solved. What else we've got?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Inner West? Do you still live in the West?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You used to?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: They actually had to have police called to the council
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: chambers to quieten down the crowd when the Greens moved
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: a motion to cut ties with Israel.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: There you go, warring Ghaza solved again by two councils
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: in Sydney. I mean, do you think that her Maas
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: is sitting there, you know, hanging on tinderhooks to hear
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: what the Inner West Council did in Sydney.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's all over.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: We're going to have to do something now, Oh Israel.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Benjamin Detnya who's sitting there in his office, going, oh
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: my god, the Inner West Council's not going to have
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: any relations whether it's anymore, we'd better call off these war.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, these are people so often who have risen
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: above this station in life. They are neighborhood busybodies, who
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: get elected often on two hundred votes, and then they think, oh,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I'm so important and high and.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Mighty, and I can talk about everything.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: If you want to do that, go into real politics,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: go to state policies, go to federal politics. You'll probably
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: get two hundred votes there as well. But just stick
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: to your knitting.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Well, even then, if you're in state or federal, again,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: this is kind of none of your business. These national
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: wars on the other side of the world, and they're like, oh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: I'm very self indulgent, so here's my five cents, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: we're all.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Like, nobody's listening to you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: Doesn't matter if you're in federal, state, or local government.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: It just gets funnier the further down the food chain
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: that you get. But probably for the first time in
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: well since the foundations of the earth were laid, the
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: Greens may have a point here in terms of it
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: incurring upon free speech, because what the counselor has done
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: is not just applied this to their council meetings, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: to counsel properties. We read in this article the policy
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: also extends to public council lands such as Main Street
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: in Blacktown, Blacktown Showground, and the Blacktown Civic Center, meaning
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: any private or public event deemed as touching on international
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: politics would be refused. So you are now gagging the
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: entirety of your electorate that they can't in the public
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: places within Blacktown. Council be allowed.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: To discuss these issues. Either they can't hire the town hall, they.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Can't gather safe a protest on main Street in Blacktown.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: This is a massive no. And if you're living in Blacktown,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: you should absolutely make sure that your council amends this
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: because it does absolutely trash the rights of everyone living
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: within their borders.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: If you want to run a private function at the
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: town hall and you can afford to hire it, you
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: can celebrate I don't know, Chinese New Year or festival
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: of whatever.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that. You should be allowed to do that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: So in the council chambers, yeah, no international stuff. But
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: if you want to privately hire a public facility, you
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: should be allowed to do that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, fair point. Just counselors, keep your mouth shut. If
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: they had kept their mouth shots a little bit.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe they wouldn't have gone that far with this. I mean,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you know, bager everything up. Stop baggering everything up, will
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you please?
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: It's interesting polling out of the UK on an ethical quandary,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: which is the idea of having wombs outside of a woman.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: So we're talking about an artificial womb here that you
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: could have a baby growing in right now. This has
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: been done developmentally in the United States with the aim of.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It being used for premi babies. That's the aim. That's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: not to say that, of course, at some.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Point in the future there will be an argument mounted, well,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: we should now be able to have children without actually
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: having children in a human being. Everything stuf with good intentions,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: but it doesn't always end up there. This is from
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: the Telegraph in London.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: They say.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: In a study commissioned by THEOS, a think tank that
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: studies religious and social issues, twenty two hundred and ninety
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: eight people were asked whether they would support growing a
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: fetus entirely outside of a woman's body. So we're not
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: talking about what it's been designed for here, which is
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: for premi babies entirely outside of a woman's body. Overall,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: only twenty one percent of people were supportive, with fifty
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: two percent opposing the idea. Those who identified as religious
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: were even less likely to support it. Unsurprisingly, while women
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: were less supportive than men, perhaps more interestingly, but it
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: does say all age groups were more likely to oppose
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: rather than support, the idea, apart from those aged eighteen
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: to twenty four, of whom forty two percent supported it
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: and thirty two percent opposed the concept. So I don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: know where the young people lining up to say they'd
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: be more likely to have kids if they didn't actually
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: have to have kids.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it would increase birth rates.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Well, you couldn't call it birth rates, could you, because
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: you're not actually giving birth. I don't think would make
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: a look of difference to people actually having kids, because
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: that's economic factors that get in the.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Way of that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: But I was really interested in the fact that it
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: said women were less supportive than men of this, because
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: you would have thought logically women might be more likely
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: to say, well, I don't want to go through all
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: the pain and whatever of childbirth. I think what it
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: proves is when push comes to shove, naturally women want
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: to have children. And as much as we've tried to
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: deny this reality in recent times, of course, every woman
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: has to go to work now, and then you must
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: go straight back into the workforce after you've had a kid,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: et cetera. I think this proves that innately people actually
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: want to have kids of their own, natural kids.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I think mothers also understand that, you know, you can
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: have a baby in a bag, which is literally what
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: they're calling this technology, instead of a baby in a
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: woman's baby in a bag, and it provides all of
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the logistical features that would be part of a womb,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't provide the breathing of the mother, or
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the heartbeat of the mother.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Or the voice of the mother.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: And remember when I adopted our children from Ethiopia and
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: we talked to.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: What do you call doctors who deal with babies, pediatricians, pediatricians.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: They are explaining, you know, for our kids.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Who were carried by their birth mother for nine months,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: but they're never heard her voice ever. Again, that's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: real tragedy for a baby who's born for nine months
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: have become familiar with that voice. And then we were
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: told when we adopted our kids, don't hand them around
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: to other people because the kids don't know who mum
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: and dad are. They've got to become familiar with your
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: voice because they've never heard it before. And I've never
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: really considered that in the womb. It's more than just
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the logistical facility that the womb provides. But it's the mother,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: it's her voice, it's her heartbeat. Is why you hold
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: a baby close to your chest right, and that soothes
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: and comforts the baby because it's used to hearing that breath,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: feeling that heartbeat. There's a lot more than just the mechanics. Oh,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: there's the human connection that is really important. And maybe
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: the reason the young people are most inclined to support
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: growing babies in bags is because they don't appreciate that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And don't they say, especially with young men, your brain
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: is not fully developed until you turn twenty five. And
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: as the parent of two nineteen year old boys, I'm
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: sure that is true. Maybe that's why eighteen to twenty
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: four year olds are in support of this and don't
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: understand their ramifications.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: Indeed, Also, pregnancy is something that I mean, just earlier, Caleb,
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: you're referring to it as who wants to avoid the
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: pain and that I haven't yet experienced it, but I
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: know many people who have. Pregnancy for many is really
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: really magical. You is the most beautiful, wholesome thing. This
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: is the circle of life. You are literally the source
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: supplying life to the world, and you've got this little
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: person growing inside of you.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: It's not talked.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Up enough, and I think that's deliberate. It's part of
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: every time you see people discussing pregnancy or being a mother,
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: or it's always negative press unless you're just listening to
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: usually god loving influences online who are like, being a
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: mum's the best thing ever. This brought so much purpose,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: so much joy into my life. And I'm not surprised
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: that it's the younger generations. It's gen Z that's the
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: most okay with this idea of baby in a bag
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: because they've grown up watching all these futuristic I mean,
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: how many probably don't watch the same movies as them,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: but how many movies have we seen whereby these babies
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: are being made in these giant labs. It's a whole
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: like Eldest Husk Huxley, what was it, Free World, Brave
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: New Well, that's it where Yeah, these babies are now
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: just pumped out. No one's pregnant. This is how we
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: bring life into the world now. And when you talk
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: about playing god. You may have heard about IVF, but
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: check this out. They're now talking about IVG. You're about
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: to hear from a doctor called Aaron Kerriati. He's a bioethicist,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: and what he has to say, we'll go get here.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: So many in the LGBT community who want to have
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: a biologically related child. Two men who could potentially use
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: IVG for reproducing a child who's genetically related to both
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: parents of the same sex. The other thing that has
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: been proposed some people have talked about so called multiplex parenting.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: You could use IVG to create two embryos, use the
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: IVG technique again to create sperm and eggs, and then
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: create yet a third embryo. Now you have essentially what
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: is genetically a grandchild.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: And they murder the two other enbrands.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: Exactly, and you can do this as many iterations as
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: you wanted.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: How's that?
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable what they are getting up
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: getting up to in labs these days, unbeknownst to the
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: rest of us. But now you know before we go
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: to an ad break to Victoria quickly now.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Where Premiagor Center.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Alan has refused three times to say that the justice
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: system in Victoria does have her trust.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Check out this transcript.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: We tried to get you the audio, but it was
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: too poor quality to show you, so I'll read it
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: out for you. This reporter asked her today, do you
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: have absolute trust in our courts?
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: This, of course is after quite a.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Few bungles in the courts have come to light in
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: the headlines. She said, I think it's important that we
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: have confidence in our justice system that's supporting the community,
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: and that is why we are bringing charges to the
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Victorian Changes rather to the Victorian Parliament.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: The reporter pressed to a second time.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: You said it's important that we have confidence in the
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: justice system.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: But do you have confidence in the system?
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: Alan replied, Victorians want to see the laws strengthened.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: We've been listening to Victorians.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: It's important that the community does have confidence in our
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: system as a whole. Our court system is working hard.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: The reporter hats off tries a third time. Do you
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: have confidence in the court system? Alan's reply, I think
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: that it's very important that we respect all of the
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: independent agencies that make up our justice system.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: We need to strengthen the law.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: Just say no, lady, just say no, because you cannot
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: justify what's gone on in recent months. Victorians are sick
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: of reading the headlines. We're sick of talking about the headlines.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: People being out on bail when they shouldn't be, etc.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: And so on.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: She can't just say, look, clearly changes.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Need to be made.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: The public's been disappointed in recent times.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Just be honest.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's an old ad.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Don't answer the question you're asked, answer the question you
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: wish you were asked. And she played that to perfection.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: we look at what's making news tomorrow, including a dramatic
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: arrest at Avalon Airport in Victoria, a teenager gets onto
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: a jet staff flight with a loaded shotgun. All of
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: that and more in a moment. Well, the biggest story
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: in the country is, of course, the cyclone bearing down
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: on southeast Queensland and Liz. Most of the papers tomorrow
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: have that on their front page.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: They are, indeed, most notably, of course, the Courier male
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: stay alert calls as cyclone slows waiting for alf The
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: splash reads we're on a nickname basis with this cyclone.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Already the four million people who live in the warning
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: zone for Cyclone Alfred have been urged not to become
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: complacent with the storm still very much on its way
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: and still packing a punch. The Gold Coast Bulletin says
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: the Premiere. The acting mayor and police chief are incredulous
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: as resident failed to heed warnings to avoid beaches coasting
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: to a cyclone. I've seen some footage of that. If
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: you ever doubted that OSSI's are a raisy, you won't
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: after seeing that footage. And lastly, the Australians stalking stalling
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: the water torture begins cyclone Alfred's erratic slowdown could trigger
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: a five day flooding disaster as residents in seven thousand
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: northern New South Wales homes were ordered to flee with
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: just hours noticed on tonight, and more than four million
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Queenslanders braced for.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Its projected wrath.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Here's hoping, like you said earlier, Mac, this this is
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: more of a whisper than a scream, but only time
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: will tell.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course Southeast Queensland hasn't had a cyclone.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's fifty years since they had one.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: So's seventy years actually, but seventy And of course that
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: the trouble now is if they're talking about it's not
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: going to be you know, one potentially just the cyclone
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: hits and it going to be really aggressive in one go,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: you end up with days and days and days of flooding.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: But which is actually worse.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: In that situation if you're sitting there, which are you
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: more likely to put up with the one and done
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: or just dealing with all of this torrential rain coming
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: in because of course the cyclone.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: The wind where you live well, exactly because the winds of.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: The cyclone might rip your roof off or whatever. Flooding
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: could potentially do a lot more damage to.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: A lot more people.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: But of course keep in mind, as we told you
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: last night, the official advice from.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: The Bureau of Meteorology is.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: That if you are leaving your home to avoid this
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: flooding and cyclone, make sure you take a COVID nineteen
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: mask and hand sanitize.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It with you because you have to be COVID safe. Yes,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that was real. If you missed the show last.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Night, very very important. Let's go to the front page
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: of the Herald Sun. Incredible events at Avlon Airport in
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Melbourne Airport shotgun, shot gun, horror, terror on the tarmac,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: reads the headline. A hero Shearer can always trust sheep
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: sheer as they're good people. Hero Sira has dragged down
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: a teenager with a loaded shotgun in Victoria's most dramatic
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: airport security incident in years. Major investigations were underway last
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: night after the weapon, tooting seventeen year olds somehow made
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: his way onto a jet staff flight at Avlon Airport.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: A security source said there were fears of what was
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: to come. Video showed the moment the team was restrained
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: on the Sydney bound plane at two fifty pm. We've
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: got some footage here that we can show you. That's
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: the teenager who's just been restrained by another passenger who
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: apparently was a sheep sheer on his way to Sydney
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: to watch an AFL game. He jumped on top of
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: the guy and held.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Him down along with the pilot. And so you can
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: see that there.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Apparently, according to the paper, this guy you can see
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: he's wearing a high visvest. He's got a tool belt
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: around his waist. He allegedly parked his car near a
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: security fence, got through the fence, walked brazenly across the tarmac,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: up the stairs to the cabin of the aircraft and
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: said he was there to do maintenance work, which people
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: found a little strange. And then it got stranger when
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: he opened his vest and had a loaded shotgun. Thanks
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: to the quick thinking of that other passenger, he was,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: as you saw, restrained. God knows what might have happened
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: if that passenger hadn't acted well.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, talk about toolbox to blow. He's
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: a tool clearly, but just imagine the fact he could
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: get through the fence in the first place is really scary,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: and that he got that close to a plane because
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: you like to think, you know, in the post nine
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: to eleven world, we've got all this bloody security when
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: you go to the airport, so you can't even breathe
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: in an airport without someone tapping you on the shoulder
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: to tell you you're doing the wrong thing. And he managed
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: to get through a fence with a shotgun. But that
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: bloke who put him in a headlock, if he's not
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: up for some sort of bravery award or Australian of
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: the Year or something that is a real fair di.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Income ossie, is it not?
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Because we all like to think that in a situation
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: like that, we would be brave enough to intervene and
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: do something. But most people I think would be looking
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: for a new set of underwear. If a bloke walked
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: onto a plane with a shotgun like.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't know what to do. Most people would freeze.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: And he said, no, I're going to save all these
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: people on this plane and get the bloke in a headlocked,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: dead set legend.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: We might have two nominees for Australia of the Year
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: because of course after the break will show a South
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Australian bloke who absolutely let a guy who is assaulting
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: a woman in Rundle Moore have it, will show you
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the vision of that a little later.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: I suspect there will be a lot more to come
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: on this story though. How did he get there? What
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: was his plan? That could have been so much worse?
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Let's go to the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: at says five zero civil servants live into state.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What's going on here?
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: More than seven four hundred New South Wales public servants
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: live in other states or overseas, with some of the
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: most senior bureaucrats sorry getting taxpayer funded travel to Sydney
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: for work. Well, some of that legitimately live in border
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: towns that service. Nearby New South Wales Town's Premier, Chris Mins,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: has acknowledged that too many public servants are taking tax
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: payers for a ride. I'm actually in two minds about this,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: because it's not unusual in business to have a CEO
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: or whatever of a business who actually lives in Adelaide,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: but he flies up to Sydney during the week because
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: that's where their offices are. And of course the public
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: service would want to attract the best people. And if
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: the best person happens to be in Adelaide of Brisbane
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: or wherever, and they're willing to travel to Sydney during
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: the week for work, you go, okay, well that kind
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: of makes sense. But then I also think, if you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: working in the public service and you're serving a particular state,
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: do you not need to have some kind of connection
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: to that state to really understand the job.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: I'm actually I'm sitting on the fence. I've got splinters
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: in me.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: Bum On this way, we found an instance in which
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: you're open to people working from home, the ones.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: The ones who travel to Sydney. I'm okay with working
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: from home. I'm not so.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: At first reading, it sounds that's ridiculous. But we don't
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: know what those roles entail. We don't know whether it's
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: a highly specialized role where someone living into state or
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: in fact overseas is able to use the Internet to
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: do their job and New South Wales is getting good value.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Without those details, it's a bit hard to judge.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can imagine, you know, someone on holiday
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: in Italy logging on doing their work.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I'm actually sure it goes on quick.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Do you hear about that guy at an airport speaking
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: of working from home and soon he was in the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: middle of a work teams meeting. He had Skype on
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and he put his phone in the tray to go
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: through the X ray thing while the meeting was still
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: being broadcast on his phone.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Dear me very quickly before we go to a great
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Another story on the front of the Telly Tomorrow preachers
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: visa torn up by Burke, a controversial preacher sit to
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: visit Australia to speak at events in Sydney and Melbourne.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Weeks after he attended the funeral of slain his BLA
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: leader has An Israela has had his visa canceled and
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: that of course followed Cherry marks and breaking that story
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: exclusively here on Sky News last night. Good thing that
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: his visa's been canceled. Rather curious that it was allowed
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: in the first place.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Indeed, we're gonna go to a break after the break.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Our second nominee for Australian of the Year. A football
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: fan in Rundell Mall, Adelaide saves a woman from being
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: assaulted with a classic AFL hip and shoulder.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: That's coming up in a moment.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Adelaide.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Well, a great story about a citizens arrest in Rundell Mall,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Adelaide today. There was a football fan sitting in the
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: mall just quietly enjoying his lunch. Port Adelaide fan. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: if you know anything about Port Adelaide, one of their
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: toughest players was Byron Pickett, also played for North Melbourne,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: but he was famous for the good old hip and shoulder.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: He's Byron Pickett.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: He's got a man out one instead.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: So this Port Adelaide supporter is sitting in Rundell Mall
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: just thinking about the AFLCS and to come and his
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: favorite player, Byron Pickett, when he notices a woman being
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: assaulted by a man in the mall. And so what
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: does he do, he puts into action his AFL dreams
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and he gives the guy a good old fashioned hip
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: and shoulder, knocking him beautifully down. Police are quickly on
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the scene to make an arrest. The guy was charged
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: with AsSalt and possession of an ice pipe, but the
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: hip and shoulder didn't go unnoticed. Port Adelaide Football Club
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: have invited the guy to come down to the club
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: and meet all the players, and the South Australian Premier
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: has said he wants to host that gentleman in a
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: corporate box at an AFL game between Port Adelaide and Hawthorne.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I must say Caleb and I were joking during the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: break that the guy who caught the assailant with the
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: hip and shoulder was a Port Adelaide supporter. But if
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: you know anything about Port Adelaide, maybe the assailant was
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: also a Port Adelaide supporter.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite possible, Quite possible.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: I would have thought, I want to see how many
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: teeth they've got collectively.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: What a legiend.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: What a legend again, A real Aussie fan, income bloke
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: getting in there, getting a job done.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: A good bump.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It was a really good bump. I just wish he
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: was a Crow's supporter.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: But you know, to be fair, now that we've slagged
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: off the Port supporters, most Crow supporters are probably too
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: old to.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Do a hip and shoulder like that. You know.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: The thing is the joke banning everybody tonight Dom they're
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: too scared to go. I can say this is a crost,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: but the joke is that it's all nanasu go along
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: to the footy and put blankets over there, knees and
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: eat apricots slice. That's what they say about us, Paul
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Crow supporters before we go. How good is this? This
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: is a real proper Ossi politician getting around in his
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: ossie car. You might remember the Ford Ltd. This is
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: his nineteen seventy nine Ford Ltd V eight that he
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: has done up Royd Butler independent MP here in New
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: South Wales as his campaign car. He's getting around his
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: electorate in a V eight. We were lamenting recently, James,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: the fact that there are basically no V eights around anymore.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: He's got a map of the electorate from the bonnet.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Doesn't get any more ossie than that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Its brilliant.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Well, that's all we've got time for stick around Coming
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: up is the readA Penney Show and everyone in Queensland
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: stay safe.