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179. [Georgia] The Killings at Corpsewood Manor · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless This Message True Podcast. I'm here,
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  Speaker 1: here's to say has to do? All right, we're back
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  Speaker 1: and this week we are going to Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: For a creepy, creepy creepy stories to tell me about it.
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  Speaker 1: I will be telling you as you're telling them about it,
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  Speaker 1: because you know nothing until you just show up and
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  Speaker 1: hear and look pretty Okay, Well you're not really doing
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  Speaker 1: that very well.
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  Speaker 2: Either's God, we less that. I can't win the.
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  Speaker 1: Night anyway, So we are what's going on with this dow.
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  Speaker 2: We're in limbo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a lot of We got a lot
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to try arguing more the normal because we're
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  Speaker 2: house hunting again.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we're house hunting. So we are moving, guys. We
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  Speaker 1: are getting out of this this lovely, lovely West Texas, but.
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  Speaker 2: It needs a charming three bedroom home.
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  Speaker 1: It's four bedrooms, four bedroom home, but it's a d
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  Speaker 1: R Horton, so the bedrooms are the size of postage stamps.
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  Speaker 1: And you're literally on top of that, no one's going
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  Speaker 1: to buy this house. If they've heard this. All the
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  Speaker 1: neighbors stuck. Our neighbors right now are quiet.
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  Speaker 2: The neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: The neighborhood is shit, but the our direct neighbors currently
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  Speaker 1: are quiet. We we have a lot of rentals around us, though,
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  Speaker 1: so it could change at any moment what comes in.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully when we go to sell this home we
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  Speaker 1: have quiet neighbors too. Are you going to get off
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  Speaker 1: your phone so you can pay attention to what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I already know what you're saying, because you didn't find
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  Speaker 1: your y'all need Jesus, and you're trying to do it
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  Speaker 1: in the moment. That's what's happened. I run an entire case.
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  Speaker 2: I was taking care of the children.
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  Speaker 1: I was you know, that is so full of shit.
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  Speaker 1: I stayed up late and wrote this. Well, I was
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  Speaker 1: taking care of the No, it was past midnight. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: was asleep. Yeah, so even the baby. The baby has
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  Speaker 1: been a champ. He is. He'll be six weeks old
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow or by the time you guys get this, that'll
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  Speaker 1: be Look, we're only like a day or two behind
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  Speaker 1: this week. You guys should be proud.
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  Speaker 2: Of us, okay, instead of a week behind.
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  Speaker 1: We had intentions of recording this Wednesday night, but by
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  Speaker 1: the time we got everybody down and everything we retired,
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  Speaker 1: so it happens. I've just got to accept that I'm
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  Speaker 1: never gonna I'm not gonna be able to sleep, not
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  Speaker 1: because of the baby, but because of maybe the bigger ones. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: we can't sleep, it's just that we have It's like
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  Speaker 1: after they go to sleep, we want to relax and
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  Speaker 1: do the things that we want to do, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, we need to record. And then
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  Speaker 1: by the time it's like I'm just tired and everything.
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  Speaker 1: So we but this week we're doing okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't cooperate, then it's just busted night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we did try. We did do an attempt
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  Speaker 1: at letting them stay up later, and that did not
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  Speaker 1: go well because the five year old becomes tired and
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  Speaker 1: she becomes she gets quite quite the attitude. And there
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  Speaker 1: was two nights in a row we tried this late
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  Speaker 1: this later bedtime to see if we could get them
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  Speaker 1: to go because what happens is they go in their room.
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  Speaker 1: I think we found the sweet spot. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like eight thirty ish timeframe. It's not too bad, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's it. We were trying like nine pm
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  Speaker 1: to get him.
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  Speaker 2: In thirty nine because they did it one time, and
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  Speaker 2: we're like, hey, this is the.
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  Speaker 1: Most they did it one time. We were trying early
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  Speaker 1: bedtimes first, we were trying seven seven thirty. Well, they
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  Speaker 1: just all go. We're talking about the three older ones.
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  Speaker 1: The baby's like a champ. He slept eight hours last night,
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  Speaker 1: like he's he's good. He'll be six weeks on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: and so he's he's doing great. He's not the problem.
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  Speaker 1: The other ones are the problem. So they share a
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  Speaker 1: room currently, which yes, that does cause additional problems because
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  Speaker 1: they're sharing a room, but it also removes the problem
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  Speaker 1: of them being scared and not wanting to sleep in
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  Speaker 1: their room because they're by themselves. So anyways, so we
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  Speaker 1: were trying, we try, We used to do seven thirty
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  Speaker 1: bedtime all the time. But the problem is is we
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  Speaker 1: like them to sleep in late. But you can't have
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  Speaker 1: it both ways. You can't have them go to bed
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  Speaker 1: and sleep late. And when we were talking about sleep late,
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  Speaker 1: they sleep sometimes like till like nine, nine thirty or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And so we move there, so we for one one
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  Speaker 1: night this however long. So anyways, they go in there
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  Speaker 1: and go to sleep and then they're just like loud
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  Speaker 1: and bouncing off the walls and get each other hyped
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  Speaker 1: up because they're not tired yet. So we try doing
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  Speaker 1: a late bedtime. But the problem is is that the
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  Speaker 1: five year old she gets, she does get sleepy around
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  Speaker 1: nine pm, and then she's just got a terrible attitude
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  Speaker 1: and like back talking and stuff, and she's normally not
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  Speaker 1: like that. But you can just see our eyes were
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  Speaker 1: getting tired or whatever. So now we've moved it back
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  Speaker 1: up to I think eight thirty is the sweet spot.
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  Speaker 1: So by the time we get them in bed, get
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  Speaker 1: the house cleaned up, take care of the baby, then
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  Speaker 1: we're just like tired. But anyways, I'm just rambling. This
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  Speaker 1: is like Shoot the Poo stuff.
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  Speaker 2: This yes, this is uh anyways, I've already I've turned
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  Speaker 2: off the podcast already.
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  Speaker 1: No, everybody's like, you were just talking about moving and
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  Speaker 1: somehow you got off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you do that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're moving though, Okay, so we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about it more on Shoot the Poo or whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: our house hunting and everything like that, but we are
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  Speaker 1: currently in the process of we will be. We're also
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  Speaker 1: going on this road trip, you know, and we would
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  Speaker 1: now have scheduled the road trip had we known we
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  Speaker 1: were moving so fast, we have to be out of
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  Speaker 1: here by July first, so we are on a tight deadline,
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  Speaker 1: and we scheduled an epic.
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  Speaker 2: Road trip with non refundable book.
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  Speaker 1: With non refuneable STUF to save money, and here we are.
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  Speaker 1: So we're just gonna cram it all in. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, Everything will be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Aunt Supposedly we're gonna record on the road.
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  Speaker 1: According to Kara, Yes, I'm oh, that was what I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna say. So we are going to try to
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  Speaker 1: get some episodes out while we're gon. STU found cases
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  Speaker 1: about different places we're gonna be visiting. I think, is
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  Speaker 1: that what you did?
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  Speaker 2: So I ain't done them all, but.
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  Speaker 1: They may not be the longest episodes, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna try to put something out. So we are
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  Speaker 1: bringing the recording equipment because like when I say we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna go on an epic road trip, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: gone for quite some time because I ain't staying in
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  Speaker 1: this West Texas hell hole.
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  Speaker 2: Because you saw something on tech Talk.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it so why do your if you're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: on paternity or parental leave or whatever. It was a
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  Speaker 1: guy with this baby. If you're gonna be on parental
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  Speaker 1: leave or praternity leave, you might as well be on
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  Speaker 1: paternity leaving Key West And I was like, bingo, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, You're right, I am easily influenced. I should
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  Speaker 1: really stay on the internet anyway. So speaking of the internet,
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  Speaker 1: If you're new here, we do it. We try to
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  Speaker 1: do it once a week. Since the baby's been here
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  Speaker 1: and everything's like chaos and stuff, we've been every other
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  Speaker 1: weeks right now, but we're gonna we're gonna get one
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  Speaker 1: and I have started because I was just sharing what
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  Speaker 1: food because we're going on the road trip and then
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: we're moving, so we're literally trying to do I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: not to buy any groceries and just come up with
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  Speaker 1: meals with what we have and try to use up
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  Speaker 1: all the stuff in our fridge and then our freezer
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  Speaker 1: and pantry. So that's what's going on there. And oh,
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  Speaker 1: all the names or whatever of the the social media's
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You'd think I'd you'd think I'd
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  Speaker 1: something Because I was going to talk about the books
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  Speaker 1: that I was reading too, Oh, right now i'm reading.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just say the one that i'm reading. So I
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  Speaker 1: finished an audiobook today called a Good Lie by A. R.
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  Speaker 1: Tory or something like that. And then my current read
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  Speaker 1: because I'm still working on Frozen River, which I've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to read since January. And then I was reading
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  Speaker 1: that Wild Dark Shore and it's slow as fuck as too,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna have to take that in one chapter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't. Some of these people just
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  Speaker 1: dn F STU. Do you know what that means? No,
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  Speaker 1: d n f uh. It means did not finish. And
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  Speaker 1: I have a real hard time doing that. I once
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  Speaker 1: I start reading a book, I'm like, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I need to finish it or whatever, even if I'm
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  Speaker 1: not enjoying it. But I really feel like I should
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  Speaker 1: should DNF some of these. But Wild Dark Shore, it's
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  Speaker 1: just slow, jesus. I mean, I know it's real popular.
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  Speaker 1: I'm stopp I'm gonna stop looking at these popular books
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  Speaker 1: on tiktoks and things and instagrams and things that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're just not for me. And then so right now
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading Nobody Knows You're here. It's a Kindle Unlimited book,
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  Speaker 1: and it's pretty good. It's a it's a mystery thriller.
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  Speaker 1: And then I finished. I finished what was it called?
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  Speaker 2: Stude?
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  Speaker 1: Can you talk why?
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  Speaker 2: I looked as I don't know what it's called. You're
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  Speaker 2: talking about boring ass books that you did not I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Not reading boring. I'm not talking about boring ass books. Just
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  Speaker 1: because you're a dumb ass you can't read, doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that oh.
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  Speaker 2: I can read. I can read the writing on the wall.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to look up your history on
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to look up your history. So
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  Speaker 1: it was something about a good lie or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You can look it up. It came as an audiobook
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  Speaker 1: on Kindle unlimited to so that one was really good.
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  Speaker 1: And I finished that all one day because I listen
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  Speaker 1: on like two time speed. Because now if I listen
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  Speaker 1: to them on one time speed, like the regular speed,
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  Speaker 1: they really sound like stroke victims. Like it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: someone like no on one time.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like.
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  Speaker 1: I know it sounds like to you, but to me
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  Speaker 1: it And if you actually read a book while you're
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  Speaker 1: listening at like two time speed, that's how fast your
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  Speaker 1: brain actually reads that one times is just like here's
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  Speaker 1: the key. If you are listening to the audiobook and
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  Speaker 1: you try to listen to it at a faster pace
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, I can't listen to this, this is
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  Speaker 1: too much. Here's what You do it up at like
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  Speaker 1: two times speed and then listen to it for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of minutes like that, and then drop it down
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  Speaker 1: to one point seven speed and it'll sound you will
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  Speaker 1: understand every single thing. You you got to just trick
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  Speaker 1: your brain. So you just listen to it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit faster for a few minutes, and then you take
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  Speaker 1: it down one notch and it's it's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's the key.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key. So anyways, all right, well that
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  Speaker 1: was enough nonsense for this episode, So let's go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and get into our case.
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  Speaker 2: Out of Oh, we're still going to do the case
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  Speaker 2: after all that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, do it. Okay, I should just cut this now
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  Speaker 1: and this will be.
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  Speaker 2: Shoot them, This will be our shoot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. So on the Shoot the Poo too, if we're
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: gonna be if you want to know where if you
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: want to watch ahead, we're going to be talking about
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: that new Netflix documentary Trust Me the False Prophet about
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: the FLDS church in Colorado City, Arizona and the lady
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: that like does a documentary and takes down the Michael
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  Speaker 1: Scott of Profits FLDS Profits.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I dipped in and out of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a four part series.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I can't believe this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you want to watch it, that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about on Shoot the Pooh this week.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into this case out of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: And to write this case, I read an article from
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  Speaker 1: the Atlanta magazine. I believe it's called I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a magazine. It was online, but I think Atlanta is
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  Speaker 1: a magazine as well as.
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  Speaker 2: Well as a city baseball team.
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  Speaker 1: And then I watched an episode of Dead Silent on
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  Speaker 1: Discovery Plus. And I'll put the actual episode in the notes.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy six, doctor Charles Scudder was the
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  Speaker 1: pharmacology professor at Loyola University in Chicago, Illinois. Six h
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  Speaker 1: six five two. Scruff my gruff, chicagoll. What that is?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about that.
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  Speaker 1: That is embedded in my head for all eternity is
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  Speaker 1: scruff mcgrauff, Chicago, Illinois, six oh six five two. That's
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  Speaker 1: the zip code. Mm hmm. Anyway, so Scuff mcgarff. He
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  Speaker 1: fought crime, yes, yes, okay, Smoky the bear fights forest fire.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Smoky the bear, the bear they're both. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: one's a dog and one's a bear.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. It's almost like you've been drinking whiskey.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I wish all right. So he works at Loyal
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  Speaker 1: he's a professor at Loyola. I can't say that Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: He moves to George George, Georgia either Georgia with his partner,
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Odom and they're they're in. They're two English mastives,
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  Speaker 1: those big ass dogs. So Joseph was quite a bit
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  Speaker 1: younger than Charles, I want to say, like twenty years
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  Speaker 1: or so. He had actually come to Charles's home in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago as a housekeeper, and then they became a couple
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  Speaker 1: and had been together for a very long time at
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  Speaker 1: this point. Now, Charles did have a life before meeting Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if he came in was the
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  Speaker 1: housekeeper when Charles was leading this other life, because he
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  Speaker 1: did have three children that were grown. So at some
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  Speaker 1: point he must have been married to a woman, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and everything like that. So he had three grown children,
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  Speaker 1: and so this move to Georgia was because he was
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  Speaker 1: ready to start a new chapter. He was tired of teaching.
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  Speaker 1: He just wanted a completely different life and he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to live it how he wanted to live it, and
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  Speaker 1: so moving to forty acres in the Chattahoochee National Forest
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  Speaker 1: was how he was going to accomplish this.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big cultural shock.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they just wanted to live. Well, he
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  Speaker 1: was sick of all the students and everything. I think
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  Speaker 1: he just wanted to live. He wanted to live in
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  Speaker 1: the woods, off the grid.
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  Speaker 2: As what was his sounds like these days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're sick of their shit. So in northern Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: this is where this Chattahoochee way down yonder by the Chattahoochie.
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  Speaker 1: Never care how much is mast about.
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  Speaker 2: We only have so many listeners as it is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, uh, Northern Georgia where they plan to build a
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  Speaker 1: like a castle that is off the grid, and they
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  Speaker 1: plan to build it with their own two hands. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Charles decides to name the castle or the castle corpsewood
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  Speaker 1: manor that's corpsewood manors to And this is based off
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there, whenever they went there, there was
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  Speaker 1: like these dead imagine like a bunch of dead trees
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  Speaker 1: just sticking up like eerily in the forest. And so
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  Speaker 1: he was like, it's corpses of wood wood. Corpses corpsewood
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  Speaker 1: is how it's how they named it. And you'll see
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  Speaker 1: he likes like dark things like that. He's into to that.
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  Speaker 1: So they complete the home after several several years and
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  Speaker 1: they're out on the property and then they also and
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  Speaker 1: in this time they build this three story chicken house. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the first floor was built for chickens. The second floor
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  Speaker 1: was something like also built for chickens or whatever. I think.
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  Speaker 1: The first floor was like fee. The second floor was
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  Speaker 1: like for the chickens to climb up in or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Now the third floor, mind you, there was never any
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  Speaker 1: chickens in this. In this thing, the third floor was
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  Speaker 1: known as the pink room. Now, the pink room was
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  Speaker 1: for sexual pleasures, and they would go in there themselves
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  Speaker 1: as also well as bringing guests up in there that
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  Speaker 1: they got. Because even though they're out in Georgia and
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  Speaker 1: it's the eighties or whatever, you know, they might be
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  Speaker 1: acting cank on yeah, they might be acting like above
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  Speaker 1: it all in church on Sunday, but they're out there
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  Speaker 1: in the pink room. Yes, so uh so anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: it was for them as well as guests that they
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  Speaker 1: would bring out there. So on top of them being
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: gay and having a pleasure room and living off the grid.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: So this is already some you know, especially for that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: time frame.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: These are this is falla rome.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Like the like, yeah, so this is this is like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a weird like a lot of weird things for these
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: people that have they've moved out here into this southern
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: area and they are doing all this strange stuff to them.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: So I was on top of all that. Though they
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: are going to add that Charles was a member of
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the Church of Satan and identified as an atheist, which
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I believe those are contradictory because.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: God or you don't, but that's what he was.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Though he's he's an odd ducks dude, don't Satan. Yes,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I think he mainly just liked the shock. I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he just liked to shock the fuck out of people's.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Kind of like all that all the eighties, uh, that
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: metal bands. Yes, he with the imagery.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think he just liked to shock people. Maybe
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: he really believed it. I don't know. So he with
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: his beliefs and Church of Satan and all this stuff.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: He decorated the manner and all sorts of Satanic things
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: like skulls, pentacles, statues. He had this giant pinnacles, pinacles, pentagrams.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: You mean pentacles pentacles pentagrams?
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: You mean did you No?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it said pentacles, That's what it says.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It was probably pentagram Okay, well, I'll look it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Up when you're reading yours. But I thought pincacles was
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a word. I thought. I'm pretty sure pentacles was a word, Stue, pentacles. Pentacles,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: meaning a pentacle is a five pointed star, a pentagram. Okay,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: so there you go. You're wrong. I knew it was pentacles.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I guess when I was worshiping the devil, we only
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: had pentagrams. We didn't call him pentacles.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So anyway, so on top of all this
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: stuff that he's got going inside the house, uh, he
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: also remember it's off the grid. So also the light
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in the house at night is all candle.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Light things made out of human flesh.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so he also added a giant, pink gargiryl
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: gargoyle over the home. So as you can imagine, like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I said, in small town Georgia in the late seventies
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and early eighties, this is quite over the top for
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: this town. So and then we're gonna top all of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: these things. They're out here. They're gay, they've got a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: huge age difference, they're worshiping Satan, possibly not, we don't know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: They got their sexual room all this stuff. They're also
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: heavy infrequent drug users, so they would take LSD and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: also had their own concoction called tutalou which consisted of alcohol,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: paint thinner, and glue that they would huff to get high.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Nice. So just killing brain cells left and right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot. There's a lot going on at
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: this place out in the out in the woods.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: In two, a seventeen year old by the name of
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Avery Brock was hunting on the Corpsewood property when he
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: ran into the couple. Avery befriended Charles and Joseph and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: even went up to the pink room with them to
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: participate in drugs and sex. They continued the friendship and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Charles let Avery hunt on the Corpsewood property and there
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: was no tension between any of them that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: There was some sort of tensions.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think so sexual, There wasn't. They were getting
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that released in the pink room and they had become friends.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Avery was living with a man named Tony West who
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: was around thirty years old. He told him about Charles
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and Joseph in the Corpsewood Manor to Avery. Even though
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the manor, this Corpse Wood Manor didn't have any electricity
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: or running water, what it did have, from what he
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: could tell, was it had some fancy furniture, the statues,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the decorps. It made it seem to him Avery that
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Charles and Joseph were sitting on a lot of money.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So he lets Tony know about this, and Tony believes
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that Charles and Joseph have a pile of money and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: they're probably hiding it somewhere in the manner. So Tony
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: begins talking to Avery, and they decide that they're going
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to rob Charles and Joseph at some point. They're just
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: gonna put this plan together, go out there and rap
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: these people.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what are a seventeen year old and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a thirty year old and backwards Georgia gonna do with
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: their time? But I don't know, come up with it
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that they have a bunch of money, which I guess
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it does. Like I guess I would probably if I
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: was growing up, I would probably assume that they had
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of money too, because people that have a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: bunch of money live eccentric lifestyles like this, you know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it's like this is there and then plus, like said,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: he has all these like little statues and the furniture
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and all the trappings and everything looked and the fact
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that they built this castle themselves or whatever, but realistically
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: they didn't have any money. They lived in their while
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they built this like brick by brick, they did all
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this themselves. I mean, he had some money to get
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: its going, but they had to put in a lot
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: of their own labor to build this castle.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Everyone smelling that car.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: It reminded me of that place we went to in
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Colorado where he build it himself.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The Bishop Castle up there in the mountains.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It reminded me of looks like where we got our
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: five year olds with uh, what's it called altitude sickness.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that's our going theory on that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we didn't know what was going on, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we think she was just I don't remember if we
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: told you guys this story, but we think she was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: sensitive to the altitude because we just kept taking her
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: up and then she like start feeling sick and then
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and then I had my whole debacle at the Colorado
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Children's Hospital. They can go fuck off and then yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, they were like, we'd never even hurt
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: altitude sickness. Oh yeah, I guess that might be like
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: how are you how are you up in Colorado and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you haven't dealt with anyone with altitude, sickness or even
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like check, Like I just came up with these words,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like what I've.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Heard of altitude and sickness. I've never heard him put together.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: This is craziness, all right. So on December twelve, that's
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: not why I don't like them, though, that's a whole
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: nother story. Anyways. On December twelfth, nineteen eighty two, Avery
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: is invited to the manor, and this is when he
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: decides he's going to bring along Tony. And they bring
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: along Tony and then two more people. Now, the other
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: two people would be Tony's nephew, Joey West, and an
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: eighteen year old girl by the name of Teresa Hudgens. Now,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: this was a first date for Teresa and Joey. She
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: was very surprised when Joey shows up a better home
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: with Avery and Tony as one would be. Yeah, so
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Joey tells Teresa that his car broke down and that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: they were gonna have to ride along with Tony and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Avery to go on a date.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So no, she no, I'm staying home. I'm watching TV.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta wash my hair.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, she decides to she wanted to see Joey.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So she decides she's gonna get in the car and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: they inform her that they are going to go up
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to Corpsewood Manor. Now she'd heard of this place, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't like she'd never been out there. Obviously, she wasn't
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: real comfortable going, but she liked Joey and they were like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: come on, are you scared? And everythink that, so come
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on checking yep. So she goes, and I'm just gonna
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: tell you Teresa. Teresa survives this, but Teresa has made
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: her entire life about surviving this night, Like she's she goes,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: She goes back to the manor and tell I found
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: her Facebook profile. She's like, this is her entire personality
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is surviving this. You know, like some people like have
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: something like this happened to him when we get into it,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: haven't happened to him? And then they move on with
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: their life.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Not not she stuck there.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's she's in it. This is her claim
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to fame and she will.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Not Yes, she making money off of it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Least I can't where she wrote a book or somebody
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: else wrote a book. But she's like people have written
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: books about this whole night in this incident and everything
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like that, and she's been interviewed, she was on the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: show that I watched, So I don't know if she's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: making money or just like the like the fame of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it all maybe or knowing that she was there at
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this whenever this happened.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: They arrive at Corpsewood Manor and upon entering the home,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: like Kara said, it's very creepy to Teresa and Joey.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: There's skulls, satanic items laying around, there's no electricity, all
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the candles are burning. Teresa goes in, she meets Charles
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and Joseph and they all sit down. They have dinner
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: together after.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Also in the middle of fucking nowhere. And remember this,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: this is like her going out there. This is like creepy, okay,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: scary cabin in the woods, but worse because they actually
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are just it's not just some creepy cabin. It's like
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a creepy cabin with satanic stuff in it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: After dinner, Charles takes Avery, Tony, Teresa, and Joey up
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to the pink room. Joseph decides to stay in the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: home and clean up after dinner.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: This is where I'm at. I'm not going to the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: fucking peak group because.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: But do they know what the pink room is till
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: they get there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I could just imagine. I don't know. I just
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: it just feels like there's a lot of human.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Stuff in there.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Stuff in there. Oh my god, this would take a shower, just.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Fluid remnants. Yes, it's a sweat and stuff, yes, looms.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And you okay, okay, okay.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: While in the pink room, they start huffing this tutulu.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: On top of this, they had already been drinking cheap
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: wine with their dinner. The group is all chatting in
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the pink room. Thank god, it's just chatting.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: There are like mattresses and stuff. There's like two mattresses in.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: There, so it's probably stained with sweat. There's no way
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to wash them.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, and you're out there no electricity in the Georgia humidity.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: You're just revroun clean clean.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. So they're up there chat and Avery's like, hey,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I need to go down. I need to get some
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: more drugs to hold some more tutuluudulu and he heads out.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Charles didn't think anything of this, and neither did anybody
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: else in the group. Because Charles and Avery are buddies.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is not an This does not stand out
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to him as like, oh my god, this guy, he's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: got to go get some Tutulu. You know, whoever come
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: up with that name?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but probably these guys. Yep.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Now, a few minutes later, Avery shows back up in
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the pink Room, but this time he is holding a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: rifle that he got out of the back of his truck. Now,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Charles actually made a joke about this, because again they're friends.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: He's just like, I mean, who knows, who the fuck knows?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're out in the backwoods of Georgia. There's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like guns and all sorts of things. It's just like
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a common occurrence or whatever. I watched this. I saw
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this TikTok where this girl was like she had a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: real thick Southern accent. She's like, now, don't you now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you city people, don't you be coming out here the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: country And then complain about when we're doing us country
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: people are doing country things like shooting our guns off.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That's we were out here.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: First She's like, well, it's true, don't be coming out
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: here harassing this because.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, people are wanting to get rid
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of now. Everybody wants away from like these cities and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: they want to move out and live like a simpler lifestyle.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, let's be homesteaders or whatever. Then they
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: come out there and they complain about all.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: The people that say, what's that noise? Is that a gunshot?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: My god?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so he Charles is just joking about the gun
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: or whatever and doesn't think He still doesn't think anything's wrong.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Keep in mind they're high as well now, but soon
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: there would be no joking because Avery actually lunges towards Charles,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: grabs him by the neck and then holds a knife
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: up to him and begins asking him where is all
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the money. Charles explains to Avery, like he's still calm
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in all this, probably because he's on drugs. He's like,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: there is no money, Like, we don't have any money
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: in this house, and the little bit of money that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: we do, it's actually in a local bank, So like,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I can't give you anything right now, it's closed for high. Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So Avery didn't believe Charles, so he heads out of
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the Chicken house and heads into the main home to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: talk to Joseph to see if he can confront him
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and ask him where the money is. Meanwhile, Charles and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: all the others are all just sitting up in the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: pink room trying to understand what is going on. Is
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: he serious, is he really or is this just him
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: fucking around? And like I said, they're all drinking, they're
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: all doing drugs. Next thing you know, they hear multiple
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: gunshots from the home.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Once Tony heard the shots fired, he forced Charles, Joey,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: and Theresa down the ladder and into corpsewood manor. Upon
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: entering the home, they are greeted by Avery. This is
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: also when they see that Avery has shot Joseph as
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: well as the two dogs at point blank. Now they're
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: all dead. Joseph's said, the dogs are dead. Charles sees this.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Jesus what They're dead. Everybody's dead.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I just need people to understand we should.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Have triggered warning. This not about the people dying, but
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the two dogs dying.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Third Masters, they should have ate somebody's face off.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Probably should have trained him better. He should well, I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: if you just yeah, as soon as the gunny, they
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: should have lunged. They should have lunged.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Now Charles runs toward his partner, and this is when
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Tony he has the.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Gun some yeah, he he took the gun from avers.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Remember Tony's the older one, Tony's the thirty year old.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Now Tony shoots Charles. Charles falls to the floor. This
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: whole time, Joey and Teresa are like, what the fuck
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: is going on? So they're trying to figure out how
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: they're gonna stay alive in the situation because they just
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: witnessed double homicide plus the dogs. They have no clue.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: They didn't have any clue that any of this was
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Obviously, Yeah, they weren't part of this. At some point,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Teresa runs out in the woods. Joey runs after her.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, she's also like, is Joey part of Like
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: she doesn't know who to trust because Joey's related to Tony.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Is Joey part of this? She runs out to the woods.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: He comes back at her because they start screaming like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: we're going to kill you if you do anything or whatever.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So Joey goes and gets her from the woods. He's like,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you've got to come back in here with me, And
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: so she had to make the decision, like do I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: go along with this? So I keep running through the woods,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but again stir on this forty acre thing out in
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: What is she going to do?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Like, she don't even know where she's at, So she
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: has to make the decision to go back in with
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Joey and deal with and hope that they don't shoot her,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: or spend the.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Night in the woods and then hope you can find your.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Way out in the morning, yeah, or before they find
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you know, before they find her, Yes.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Tony and they every start ransacking the house trying to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: find all this cash that they believe is heading there. Now,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: after a while, they don't find anything, so they all
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: load up in Charles's jeep. They forced the two teenagers
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: into the car with them. They also set the manner
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: on fire in an attempt to destroy all the evidence.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: The only thing they were able to find was this
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: like gold instrument or something, but they tried to lift
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it and it was too heavy, so they just set
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to leave it behind. It was like a gold like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but I can't remember. No,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it was like something big, like a what's the thing?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: A harp?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Or something like that. A golden harp bird.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Actually was a goldener? Was it just gold plated?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: It might have just been gold plated. These were not
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the smartest people, you know, Tony and Old Avery.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you thought it was gold you get that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: damn thing in the car. Anyway, they head over to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: their home and they tell Joey and Teresa that if
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they tell anyone about this, they will kill them too.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Tony and Avery head out and Charles jeep and the
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: plan is that they're going to flee to Mexico.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You know what, when I'm thinking of Tutulou, I'm thinking
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of Tutulou. Motherfuck us. That's all I can think of.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: From a hangover fucker.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Anyway, gay boy, I'm gonna have to watch that again.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's who the one guy makes me from the false prophet.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: That was not that guy, but the what's his name
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: he's won a part of the wolf pack. He's the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: brother in law Zach Galifanakis. Yeah, it's whatever his character is.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's like him plus Michael Scott from the office. If
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you could buy like put like a person like that,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: And that's who the false prophet guy was that took
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: over the FLDS and said he was the prophet or whatever.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll talk about.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: That later, but anyways, that's the guy. So while Tony
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and Avery are on the run, it would take four
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: days before anyone discovered the bodies of Charles and Joseph. Now,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a friend of the couples came by to fill them
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: in about they had like a friend or something that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: was in the hospital. And because again they're they're off
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the grids, there's no phone or anything, so I think
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: one of their friends was in the hospital or something
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: was happening. And he said, hey, I'll come back in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: a couple days and I'll update you. So here's the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: friend coming back. So he walks, he comes in and
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: sees this like horrific scene. I mean, the bodies have
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: been out there for four days now, or at least
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it was December, so I mean it can still be warm.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Anyways, with no like temperature control or anything in the home.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So he notifies authorities and they enter the home and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: find bloodstains on the walls. The whole house has been ransacked,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: furnitures turned over, and they were able to recover some
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: of the bullet casings. So they go ahead and bring
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in the Georgia bere of Investigation because they have no
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: fucking clue in the safe place, because this is like
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: they come in and there's this place been ransacked. These
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: guys are dead out here, the two dogs are dead,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: blood all over the place, Satanic stuff everywhere out here,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: in this creepy ass castle and stuff like that. They're like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: this is a way above.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know where where where are we starting with this, Bob,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Calling the GBI.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Just don't go in that pancro God, God damn it,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: don't go in there.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Don't turn on the black line.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Oh well, police in Georgia are processing the crime scene.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Tony and Avery had been on the run and had
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: actually murdered somebody else. During this time. They stopped in Vicksburg, Mississippi,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: where they wanted to switch out the jeep for another vehicle,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: just in case they thought police might be onto them.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Well, they went something more discreet than a so they
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: were looking specifically for something running the mill.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is where they come across a man by
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the name of Kirby Phelps. He's twenty six years old.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: He's a Navy lieutenant he was sleeping behind the wheel
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: of his Toyota, and they forced him out of the car.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: They lead him into the trees, and when he tried
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to run, they shot and killed him. Their planning to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: flee to Mexico, however, was not going to happen because
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Tony and Avery had a falling out as they were
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: passing through Texas.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You mean, these two dumbasses, thirty year old and seventeen
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: year old, that never got any money or anything like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to show for what they did in their brands. You
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: mean that they didn't get along to go along.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: They ain't even gonna have money to buy chick order.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: No, you can't. They don't have any money. They accomplish
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: nothing with all of this but a complete and then
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they left two witnesses that know exactly who they were
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: at the back of the place. They're idiots.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Somehow, somewhere along the way, they abandoned the jeep
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: in Louisiana. Somewhere Louisiana police run across it. They run
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the plates and they find out that it was restored
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to somebody in Georgia. Police in Louisiana contact the local
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: police in Georgia let them know that they made that
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: they discovered this jeep. Well, while this information is coming in,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Teresa takes it upon herself. She's like, I need to
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: go forward and tell somebody what the hell happened. So
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: she does. She goes in, she lets them, lets police
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: know this happened. This is who you need to be
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: looking for. So she I guess she had a lot
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: weighing on her mind and she was ready to be
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: done with it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Stu Welo sound like what happened?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Because keep in mind, they've got this crazy ass
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: like imagine the police. They've got this crazy ass crime
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: scene and they have zero clue, like we know what
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: happened because all we just told you guys or whatever,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: but they have no clues. They finally get this call
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: in from Louisiana. They're like, okay, this is our first
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: piece of evidence, but they still have zero ideal until
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Teresa comes in and helps him out. Now, with this information,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: they issue and arrest warrants for Tony and Avery. At
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this point, Avery calls his mother from a pay phone
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: because again remember Avery seventeen years old. He lets her
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: know where he is and she informs him that there
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is a warrant out for his arrest. Now, for some reason,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Avery goes and tells a I guess he just wants
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: he's seventeen, He's got this a lot weighing on him
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: because remember he was friends with Charles and Joseph before
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Tony talked him into Robbingham and stuff like that. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I mean he knew him them personally, you know, in
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a yes, intimately, yes, he knew them. So he goes
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and tells this gas station intendant that what he had done.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm guessing it's to get this off his chest.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm guessing he probably wasn't gonna turn didn't want
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to turn himself into police, but he figured maybe he
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: tells somebody. So the gas station attendant contacts police and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: they were there very quickly. The local police there came
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and picked up Avery. Now Tony was still on the run, however,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: would not take long because on Christmas Eve, he he
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: decided to drive back to the Georgia area into Chattanooga
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that where they were from or whatever, and he runs
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: out of gas. Well he gets just he's just so
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: tired and defeated from the whole ordeal. He's like, fuck
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: him out of gas. Everything. He's like, he just goes
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: up to the police and turns himself in. He's like,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I'm tired.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I get sandwich.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, So that's for That's how they ended up being caught.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't the Great Escape or anything like that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: No couple of couple of In nineteen eighty three, Avery
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: does plead guilty to killing Joseph and he sent us
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: to three consecutive life terms. Tony was charged with killing Charles. However,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: he is not going to plead guilty. He claimed that
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: the only reason that he killed Charles was it was
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: for revenge for embarrassment suffered by Avery when he allowed
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Charles to perform oral sex on him. However, at the trial,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: they claimed that Charles had spiked the wine with LSD.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And this is all due to hallucinations.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Basically, Yes, he had two different stories go when he
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: first story was I was defending Avery, he was humiliated
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: because he was given oral sex against his will and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, which was not true. Avery was a
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: willing participant in this. And then they changed their story
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: when they went to actually on to trial and blamed
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: it on the drug.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, but they can't prove whether the wine was spiked
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: with or without unless they the other people agree with
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this theory that we're drinking the wine. The defense attorney
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: really leaned into the Satanic panic that was going on
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: at the time, and so that Charles basically was performing
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: rituals on them to cause them to do these things
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: against their will. The jury wasn't buying it, and they
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: found him guilty and he was sentenced to death. However,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: he appealed his case and he was able to plead
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: guilty in exchange for a life sentence.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: You know, I was proud of the dury because I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: knew it could depend on who was on that jury
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: could go different ways. But they interviewed locals that were
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: in there and they said, actually, you know, because you
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: would think that people in the South are like, you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Bible thumping, even if you're you're out here and you're
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: gay and you're like the Satan and all the stuff
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that they're going to, but actually they really are. They
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: really are about the freedom and stuff with that. So
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: whenever they internet, they're like, well, you know, I don't
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: agree with it, but this is we're free out here.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: This is all about. So it's funny because you would
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: think that possibly. I mean, it can still happen in
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: some areas down itself, but especially I feel like Georgia
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: is one of those places kind of like they a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: little bit. They can get eccentric out there in the country,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I think like Savannah and stuff like that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a corkkey. Yes, we were
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: going to hit that on our Are you sweating? I
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be, Okay, I don't you know what we're doing
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: when we get this new Okay, when we're out. We
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: live out here in West Texas and real estate is
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: like freaking expensive, so you get you got to pay
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money for not a lot where
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we're moving. We can get a house with for cheaper,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: with more space for all these children's and then we
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: can also have a off slash podcasting room so I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: can stop sitting in a freaking outdoor chair.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: There is one house, No, we're not buying.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: The still wants this old house that's forty five hundred.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's a mid century modern with a.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, the stupid bathroom has a Roman column.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Hollywood Regency style.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Terrible. I don't It's old, but not in a charming way.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: It's old in a tacky orange carpet type way. No,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have orange carpet, but.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: That's the vive carpet anywhere.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I know. That's also a problem. I don't want tile
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in the bedrooms. Oh there is car No, there is
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: carpet and looks old. It looks old and dirty.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: It might be.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, our children licked the floor. We can't be
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: having them. We would have to rip out all the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: carpet right away and put new carpet down. It's not
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: all carpet. I'm okay with carpet. Like our house that
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: we have has carpet, and yes, people were on the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: carpet before. Would I prefer not to have carpet. Yes,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: However that house looked it looked dirty, which was why
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it was pretty. Why the price the price for forty
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: five hundred square feet was not which you would that was.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Lower than that rose wall paper with that green towel.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: How can you go wrong with listen, I'm okay with
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: quirky stew Okay, I mean I'm not going to do
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the pink room, but okay with quirky.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Quirky not kinky.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyways we are we're on the long drawn
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: out thing of our house hunting. So this is going
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to go really well for us, because it does not
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: go well when we house hunt. There's a lot of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: strife and we have a newborn doesn't and yeah, so
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: this is a real test of the relationship.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Again. Remember when we're remodeling the bathroom at the last house.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, because student, because Stu is boring as fuck.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: He wants everything millennial grays and I'm like, no, I
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: want things to be colorful, and no, he's always just
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: worried about resale value. It's like, when am I ever
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: going to get to just fix up a house how
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I want it to look? Yes, this one, we were
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: not going to do it because we had every intention
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: as soon as they would let me leave, then I
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: would we would be moving. So we did this whole
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: house is just exactly. We didn't even hang anything.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Couple, what did we hang? Hung that stupid plant thing
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: over there in the kitchen?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, whatever, anyway, so you'll have that to look
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: forward to listening to us probably bitch and moan at
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: each other about which house to purchase or whatever. The
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: good news is is there's quite a few options for
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: us to look at, so I think we should be
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: able to find something that's in our price range. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: it again, it is much cheaper out there than it
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: is here. So we can get a little bit bigger
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: horror house for you. So I can have a podcasting
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: room or like an office slash podcast, so I can
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: stop sitting in these fucking outdoor chairs, although we'll probably
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: still be sitting in him because we have no furniture
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: So anyways, really don't all right?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Do you have your y'all?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Need I do? Okay, I finally found one. It's short,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it's sweet, it's to the point.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Because I want to get to my sleepy time drink
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that I have. It's so good. Yes, it's like it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: knocks me clean out. So maybe that baby is waking
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: up at night, but I can't hear check his sock.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: He's figured it out. Yes, we got the sack. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: think we were talking about the salt last night.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: We had to break down and buy one, yes, because
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: he was spitting up.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, to choke him down, and we talked him. We
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: took him to a chiropractor though, and it seems between
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that and new bottles, it seems to have fixed the situation. Okay,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: we can't go go on. What's your y'all need?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Jesus man arrested for robbing Dollar General store twice in
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: one day, the same store, the same store.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Well, they wouldn't have seen it coming. They've been like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: we've already been wrong. There's no one it happened again
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: by the same person.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not, absolutely not not even get robbed twice in
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the same day by different people. Karma has already come.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's already. That's You're just You're like, I'm good,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I can I can go buy a lottery ticket now, yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: might wins some.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Florida or not Florida Florida. Coming from from wr WDRB
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: wherever that is. January twenty four, twenty twenty five, Louisville, Kentucky,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: A man is behind bars after allegedly robbing a Jeffersonville
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: retail store twice on Friday afternoon. The Dollar General door
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: at what did I say?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Dollar General Door Wow store.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: At seventeen fifty Allison Lane was robbed two separate times
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: in the span up four hours, according to Jefferson Police.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Just four hours.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Are probably wasn't even a shift change in there, right
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: The first robbery happened at about one point thirty pm
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: when a man reached across the counter and stole cash,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: then fled the scene.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Then around five point thirty pm, the same man came back.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: The cash hasn't even had a chance to get re
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: right whatever restocked in there with all the customers.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, how long did it take for the police
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to come? They did the police report. He was waiting
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: around the corner. He's like, all right, good, they're.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Gone, but he already took the money.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Employees immediately recognized him from the previous incident and they
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: called police. Police said the man, identified as John Towns,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: was arrested during the second robbery attempt. When interviewed by police,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: town said he was the world's dumbest criminal when he
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: returned to rob the same store. Towns is charged with
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: two counts of robbery and is being held at the
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Clark County Jail.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: The end short and sweet, like you said, okay, all right,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: well that is our case for this week. Creepy manner
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: around in Oh so, yeah, it burnt down, so there
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: is still the remnants. You can go see it. And
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Teresa did go take a picture next to the burnt
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: down there's just a few bricks like standing up whatever,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and they claim if you steal a brick from there,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you'll be cursed.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not scaling o bricks from there, especially the
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: pank ron.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: And I just want to clarify whenever we say said they,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: because when they started the fire whatever, it didn't. It's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: like a brick home. It didn't burn down like the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: like they thought it would. So that's why when the
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: police walked in they could still see all the everything
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: was pretty much still. But if eventually it deteriorated down
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: until nothing, yes.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: The bricks the mortar started falling away.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, anyways, all right, well that is our case for
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: this week. And I guess we're gonna try to get
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to shoot the Pooh out and then we'll see what's happens. Guys,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: we're taking the recording or equipment and then we'll just
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what happened. Can't make any promises though, No,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: it's rough with the all these child it's hard doing
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: it getting it done when we're at home with all
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: these children. So let's just add in the road. So
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: all right, well, I guess we will see you next time.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: By everyone say Bye Steve, Bye Steve.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots by nothing.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Elsin's working, and it's pretty learning and sick of this
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: worthy I can