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Scott Peterson Did NOT Do it! (Feat. Colby & JJ Vance) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 3: Not Bill Kobe and Julie the cosy Peach. I appreciate
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  Speaker 3: y'all joining me for a swapcast operation conspiracy playtime. Empeach
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  Speaker 2: It's where the dream team.
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  Speaker 6: This is a conspiracy three way.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I like that one.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, conspiracy three way.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the innocence project here and the matters of
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  Speaker 3: the case of Scott Peterson and the death of his
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  Speaker 3: wife an unborn child. You know a lot is the
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  Speaker 3: is the topic we're talking about here tonight, right Scott
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  Speaker 3: Peterson went to got convicted what.
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  Speaker 7: Two five?
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  Speaker 8: Well?
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  Speaker 6: I think I think I think the murder went down
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  Speaker 6: in two thousand and two and then they drug it out.
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  Speaker 6: I think it was two thousand and five when the
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  Speaker 6: verdict was announced.
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  Speaker 7: I could be wrong about that. That's just memory shit.
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  Speaker 3: I think you are correct. So it was December twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Was was the alleged date. And I
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  Speaker 3: want to stress alleged date because when they started off
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  Speaker 3: the trial, the alleged date of the murder was the
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixth, so which is funny they we see over
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  Speaker 3: the prosecute. I would again, I would assert Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 3: did not do it. The evidence asserts the same. There's
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  Speaker 3: no evidence against the man, but we see a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the same parallels between this case and many other
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  Speaker 3: cover ups and cases.
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  Speaker 2: So I actually want to start off this episode by saying,
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  Speaker 2: much like in the OJ episode, you guys are gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to sell it to me, because I think there's
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  Speaker 2: three camps that you can be in. Scott Peterson did it.
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  Speaker 2: He's innocent, but and he was set up to make
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  Speaker 2: it look like he did it or Lacy was never
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  Speaker 2: a real person. And this is all just a theater show.
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  Speaker 2: There's three kings, all right.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't heard of that one, ma'am, So let's start
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  Speaker 3: with the theater.
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  Speaker 7: On your own too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I have a couple of pieces of evidence to.
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  Speaker 3: Make I'm not against that at all. I liked. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I like all these kind of ideas, whatever, whatever works
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  Speaker 3: best for as what are the known facts we can establish?
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  Speaker 3: When the known facts we can establish the Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 3: not do it. The case is fabricating. Ever regard so,
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  Speaker 3: and we we can establish that much, well then what
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  Speaker 3: else is fictional? Right? Where does the magic end?
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  Speaker 7: It's really just two camps.
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  Speaker 6: It's this is a real story, and there's a narrative
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  Speaker 6: going on, and he's either innocent or guilty or yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it's just fucking bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: I think he did it if.
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  Speaker 3: It's common denominator, if you if you may.
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  Speaker 7: I think he didn't do it if it's real.
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  Speaker 6: We'll start off by letting everybody know that Juju is
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  Speaker 6: going to be teamed up on here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's two against one. And that's fine because I
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  Speaker 2: told JJ when we did the OJ show that I
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  Speaker 2: thought he did it.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I find it interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what we started the OJ show, and
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  Speaker 3: I keep getting a request for more OJ dude, not
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  Speaker 3: the drink, but more analysis on the case.
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  Speaker 6: I never I never told you this, but years ago
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  Speaker 6: I heard you talking about Idaho four with Nick and
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  Speaker 6: you mentioned the OJ thing, and I told Nick Hey, dude,
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  Speaker 6: could you set me up with that JJ guy, I
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  Speaker 6: want to do a thing about oj and for years
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  Speaker 6: he just like, oh, I'll talk to him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 7: I talked to him. He said he's down. Oh, we'll
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  Speaker 7: set it up.
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  Speaker 6: So anyway, I thought that was really cool to see
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  Speaker 6: you and her do it because she came at it
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  Speaker 6: from the angle of thinking the narrative, the official narrative
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  Speaker 6: is real.
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  Speaker 7: But I find it interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean to talk shit, but this is the
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  Speaker 3: first time I remember hearing of any request to speak.
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  Speaker 7: I know that now, trust me, I figured that out.
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  Speaker 7: But it's because I.
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  Speaker 3: Just want to let you know I was ignore anything.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, no, no, no, no, this is not This
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  Speaker 6: is just it finally happened, and you did it with her,
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  Speaker 6: and it's a way better show than ours would have been,
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  Speaker 6: probably because she thought you did it, so then she
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  Speaker 6: brought her same thing, her same conclusion to this. So
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  Speaker 6: I just find it interesting that as a conspiracy theorist
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  Speaker 6: when it comes to true crime, ship Julia just watches
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  Speaker 6: the the documentaries.
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  Speaker 2: The because I'm going off the information provided.
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  Speaker 3: But if I made it to be fair, they're very compelling.
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  Speaker 3: Magic show. Well, he looked qually financed, well organized, well perpetrated. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for sure, for sure, and they do a good job.
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, it's hard to defend a scumbag, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, let's be honest with you. Scott Peterson's
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  Speaker 3: kind of a scum bag.
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  Speaker 7: And that was the defense said ship like that, defending.
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  Speaker 3: It you got you gotta recognize the facts though, right,
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  Speaker 3: I do agree with Garry Goes in that regard. If
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  Speaker 3: you want to try to he's gotten ship over there.
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  Speaker 3: He's still that clip I have. He's still defending Scott
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  Speaker 3: Peterson today. So he's always defended Scott Peterson. Some peoples
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  Speaker 3: folks have said he did it in the wrong way.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. He was up against a fucking mountain,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And it's the same thing with Brian Coberger.
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  Speaker 3: The media convict him nothing in the courtroom, did you know?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 6: I think Gary Goes actually, in my opinion, was in
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  Speaker 6: on the Scott Peterson setup because he ignored key fucking witnesses.
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  Speaker 6: He ignored stuff that went on with the cadaver dogs.
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  Speaker 6: He could have admitted a lot of stuff in his
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  Speaker 6: defense that would have made Scott look a lot more innocent,
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  Speaker 6: and he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: You make a fantastic argument, sir. I'm in the same
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  Speaker 3: that's where I see all of the things you all
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  Speaker 3: have said so far about this case. I sit on
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  Speaker 3: in that same position. Without four, I can't confirm these
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  Speaker 3: people are actually dead. There's no record of any of
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  Speaker 3: their desks with any outside of what law enforcement has
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  Speaker 3: provenly lied across the spectrum of activities has said. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's no independent, verifiable evidence of their deaths. There's no
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  Speaker 3: probate court cases for their estates to set all their debts,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, you know their moneys, which they did
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  Speaker 3: have properties that's documented, so like vehicles and whatnot. So
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  Speaker 3: that's weird. There's no there's no burials, there's no funerals.
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  Speaker 3: They were all four victims were llegedly cremated. There's no
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  Speaker 3: photographs or videos of anyone taking bodies out of the house.
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  Speaker 3: There's no there's all the evidence of the crime scene
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  Speaker 3: photos now do not comport with the video or the
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  Speaker 3: written reports that do not comport with the nine one
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  Speaker 3: one call, the lead nine on one call that's not official.
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  Speaker 3: That's still never benefit. So we see all this magic
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  Speaker 3: show that goes on in a lot of distractions. I
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  Speaker 3: said the same way in this case, though I do
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  Speaker 3: with that one is you know, defense attorney Anne Taylor
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  Speaker 3: did not She did a great job in many respects,
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  Speaker 3: one much like I say about Garry Giz. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of holes there, man, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of holes there.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of want to walk through the timeline and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you as the timeline unfolds why
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  Speaker 2: I think he's guilty, and you can just debate me
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  Speaker 2: and tell me how wrong I am.
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  Speaker 3: But that's a great way to do it. Is I
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  Speaker 3: like that and worked out well with the OJ stuff too, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think as the story progresses, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: he just looks more and more and more and more guilty.
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  Speaker 3: So are you gonna I don't disagree. He didn't do
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  Speaker 3: himself any favors, and if I want to, if I
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  Speaker 3: may kick it off on that note, So let's imagine
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  Speaker 3: the scenario where this dude did not do it right,
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  Speaker 3: which is again all the evidence supports that none of
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  Speaker 3: the evidence of the state provided, even the fictional shit,
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  Speaker 3: really provides any of anything better than what would be
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  Speaker 3: described as circumstantial evidence. And even that doesn't fit the
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  Speaker 3: chronology of events that he was, we know where Scott
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  Speaker 3: Peterson was, Like, they just squeezed stuff in there and
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  Speaker 3: ignored known facts of where his locations were on that day.
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  Speaker 3: They alleged that the murders occurred on the twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 3: because after the trial began, they argued in the opening statement,
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  Speaker 3: the murders occurred on the twenty sixth. They moved the
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  Speaker 3: ship back during the trail, not during the investigation.
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  Speaker 7: So I know why they did that too.
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  Speaker 3: What's that, sir?
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  Speaker 6: I think I know why they did that. Why is
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  Speaker 6: that because the timeline with the Medina robbery did not
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  Speaker 6: fit the timeframe and they even fucking said first those
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  Speaker 6: two guys said, you know, they didn't deny doing the robbery,
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  Speaker 6: and then they said they did it on the twenty seventh,
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  Speaker 6: And they were like, well, the Medinas were home from
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  Speaker 6: their Christmas trip like late the twenty sixth or early
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  Speaker 6: the twenty seventh, so you couldn't have robbed And they're like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 6: we did it on the twenty sixth, And then the
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  Speaker 6: official story became, Yeah, there's fucking camera cruise all that
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  Speaker 6: shit going on on the twenty six Why would they
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  Speaker 6: be across the house robbing it, so they had it's
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  Speaker 6: like they hadn't gotten their story straight. And I didn't
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  Speaker 6: even know that they did that in the opening statement.
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  Speaker 3: So that's exactly mean, that's exactly what went on there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And if you look at the rest of the details
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  Speaker 3: and how they even got to that point, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: So it is the street, the home across the street
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  Speaker 3: got robbed, and those guys were apparently suspects at some
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  Speaker 3: point in time. There's two robbers, and one of them
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  Speaker 3: made statements about her interacting with her Lacy Peterson while
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the course of that robbery on a
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  Speaker 3: jail phone call, and then the yeah, the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have that anymore.
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  Speaker 6: The lieutenant of the correctional facility called the prosecutor and
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  Speaker 6: the cops and the defense. I don't know did they
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  Speaker 6: call the defense on that one. I might be mixing
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  Speaker 6: it up, but I think he did, and they all
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  Speaker 6: he said, yeah, I have these two brothers in here,
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  Speaker 6: Scott and something tempering to Temperington or some shit.
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  Speaker 2: The other guy's name is Scott too.
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  Speaker 7: I think I think so the two the Burlers.
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  Speaker 6: No, these two brothers in this correctional facility. There was
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  Speaker 6: a phone call between two brothers. One of those guys
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  Speaker 6: was like Scott temp Temperton or Tempington, I don't remember now, but.
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  Speaker 7: That and hey, they just destroyed it, right, what's that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they just they just destroyed They recognized that
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  Speaker 3: she was talked about in that conversation, but who knows
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  Speaker 3: where the where the tape went.
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  Speaker 2: But I have a problem with this because his alibi
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  Speaker 2: for it went down on the twenty fourth, right, officially
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  Speaker 2: the twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's that's well, that's their statement. But before we
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  Speaker 3: get there, they and doing so in the state that
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  Speaker 3: she even going back to the twenty fourth, they ignored
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  Speaker 3: the ten eyewitness statements over the standard route of her
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  Speaker 3: travel of walking your dog after she had breakfast on
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  Speaker 3: the twenty fourth with Scott, her husband, and he's accounted
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  Speaker 3: for during that time afterwards. Again, the chronology of events,
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  Speaker 3: it never fits. That's nothing comports in their in their
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  Speaker 3: and their uh in their claim. But they have ten
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  Speaker 3: eyewitness statements claiming they all saw Lacy Peterson walking that dog.
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  Speaker 2: See, so okay, why did he everybody? Why did he
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  Speaker 2: tell everybody that he went golfing and then later told
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  Speaker 2: everybody that he went fishing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll get to that in a second. That's a
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  Speaker 3: good question because again, the guy's a scumbag, was cheating
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  Speaker 3: on his eight eight months pregnant wife.
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  Speaker 7: That's my thing is he probably was fucking around.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that was the only girl he was begging?
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  Speaker 7: He admitted later on that it wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if he if he meant at the
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  Speaker 6: same time, but he said there there had been others,
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  Speaker 6: and he didn't really specify as far as I know
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  Speaker 6: what that meant.
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  Speaker 3: There was evidence of others again he admitted. So again
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  Speaker 3: the state focused on that amber for ioland because they
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  Speaker 3: need to focus on his upset, his alleged obsession with her,
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  Speaker 3: of which there was no evidence of that. So, but
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  Speaker 3: to the fact that if the murdered did a current
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  Speaker 3: on the twenty fourth, you'd have to ignore, and the
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  Speaker 3: state did ten eyewitness accounts of the normal see Lacy
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  Speaker 3: Peterson walking her dog on a normal route. The dogs
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  Speaker 3: later found on its leash.
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  Speaker 7: Outside by name fucking muddy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, so if Scott Peterson kills her, then
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  Speaker 3: how do you have to count for the dog in
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  Speaker 3: these eyewitness statements? And then you have to count for
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  Speaker 3: her going home after that, and the forensic data of
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  Speaker 3: her their computer showed search results for sunflower dresses or
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  Speaker 3: something like that, which is something she was a big
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  Speaker 3: shit everything with sunflowers with Lacy Peterson. Somebody was searching
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  Speaker 3: sunflower dresses with sunflower patterns on it, you know, at
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  Speaker 3: like one o'clock in the afternoon on the twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: So then you have her that one during the time
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  Speaker 3: of that robbery. Right.
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  Speaker 7: Do you know how they explained that one away?
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  Speaker 3: I think they just ignored it because why.
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  Speaker 2: Did he lie about going to the golf court.
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  Speaker 7: I have a theory on all of it where I
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  Speaker 7: think it makes perfect sense what Scott was up to
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  Speaker 7: and why he lied, and why he knew his wife
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  Speaker 7: was either missing or dead, and.
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  Speaker 2: Why like that they said Lacy had a doctor's note
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  Speaker 2: that she was supposed to be on bedrest, that she
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  Speaker 2: should not have been walking the dog that day because
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  Speaker 2: she was having fainting spells.
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  Speaker 6: Well, regardless of all that, we will talk about that.
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  Speaker 6: I think Scott Peterson, he was working for this fertilizer
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  Speaker 6: company that opened up a new thing and they were
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  Speaker 6: selling androgynists hydroxide, and Scott had some neo Nazi witnesses
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  Speaker 6: come forward and talk about conversations. It looked like his
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  Speaker 6: parents were laundering money through the kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's unpack that for a moment, sir.
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  Speaker 3: We're dealing with this with a case in meth Desto, California,
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  Speaker 3: the meth capital of America. Meth emphati is one of
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  Speaker 3: the primary products, is what you just identified, and the
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  Speaker 3: production and manufacturer meth. You need those chemicals in.
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  Speaker 7: That fertilizer, yes, And you're right.
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  Speaker 3: His father got him hooked into these things. And his
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  Speaker 3: father and mother run an interesting import export business out
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  Speaker 3: of San Diego.
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  Speaker 7: And they're buying their kids. One of them, like one
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  Speaker 7: of his half brothers, is basically a retard, and they
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  Speaker 7: were buying and that's the one whose idea he had,
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  Speaker 7: I believe, And they were buying these kids homes and
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  Speaker 7: then switching whose names the mortgages were on in very
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  Speaker 7: odd ways. And then you got to account for the
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  Speaker 7: fact that all these people he's running with, he's going
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  Speaker 7: to Fresno a lot. I think Scott Peterson got he
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  Speaker 7: pissed the wrong fucking people off, and they fucking gave
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  Speaker 7: him a choice, and he opted out and they killed
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  Speaker 7: his fucking wife and kid. If this is real, that's
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  Speaker 7: what I think.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're honest on the Sarto, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: that's certainly. I'm not exactly in the complete agreement with
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  Speaker 3: your assessment, but your general assessment. I am if there's
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  Speaker 3: something going on here, If it did happen for real,
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  Speaker 3: he pissed somebody off and drugs were involved in maths
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  Speaker 3: productions and he's white nationalists you're talking about. That's a
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  Speaker 3: major epicenter in activity. There were all that dating back
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  Speaker 3: to the manson Aaron when he was running meth with
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  Speaker 3: the Hell's Angels through that region.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I think it's all the same playbook there, and.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the same network.
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  Speaker 7: Julia.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, Julia talks about how there's this note from the
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  Speaker 6: doctor and all this stuff, and that's maybe true.
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  Speaker 7: But speaking of the baby, people have.
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  Speaker 6: Pointed out that that she would have been thirty one
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  Speaker 6: weeks along when this happened, and they find like a
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  Speaker 6: pristine looking newborn then they find her body. Now they
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  Speaker 6: said the baby was like thirty six to thirty seven weeks,
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  Speaker 6: No eight, that's what, Yes, but how far along was
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  Speaker 6: she when this kidnapping or whatever went down.
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  Speaker 7: She was thirty one weeks along. That is true.
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  Speaker 3: Let's put a pin on that, because that's the forensics
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  Speaker 3: that everyone ignored. So there was some distinct differences in
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  Speaker 3: decomposition between the alleged torso that's what they found and
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  Speaker 3: then they would later claim was DNA Through blood and
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  Speaker 3: DNA they proved that was that was Lacy Peterson's torsos
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  Speaker 3: that came up from the water, allegedly anchored down by
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  Speaker 3: some concrete anchors built by her husband, allegedly again not proven.
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  Speaker 3: But the baby, yeah, it seemed to be having to
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  Speaker 3: actually have been given birth at some point and been
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  Speaker 3: lived longer than its mother.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And I was trying to talk to her about this
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  Speaker 6: last night because it just it gives a lot of
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  Speaker 6: credence to the fact that she was held longer. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: they didn't find her body till April, and they're like, yeah,
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: the ocean is unforgiving, and then she's missing extremities in
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: most of her organs. Never found her head. Now, that
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: looks to me like that's not something the ocean did.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: She was part of a ritual, part of what they
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: wanted us to believe happened to Sharon Tate kind of thing,
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: and maybe the child was kept alive and killed a
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: later day and thrown in And then she always when
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: we were talking about this last night, she brings up, well, why.
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: Why would he have been at that bay?
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: And I said, of course, if the people see, that's
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: where people are gonna believe, that's where they're gonna dump.
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: The body is where they where he said he was,
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: so it doesn't make him look guilt exactly.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: So everyone needs that against them, and Sandy Coberger, if
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: you have no evidence, that's evidence against them, and if
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: you don't, if you have evidence of him being somewhere,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: well then we'll pen we'll put the evidence in that area.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: So everyone knew he went. He said he from day no. One.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: He never lied to law enforcement about any of his
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: activities outside of this claim of the fishing and the
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: golfing thing that Juliys mentioned. I do think that's the
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: most interesting portions of his tail, because the rest of
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: his chronology of events to law enforcement. He's not a
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: good liar. It's proven to not be a good liar.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: The only thing because he tried to lie the only
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: thing you know to try to lie about to law enforcement.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Was his affair, and they quickly found that out.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: And then to me the anchor thing, I think he
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: may have been dumping product or something for these fucking people.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Dude, you have well, first of all,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: so you have in the production of mathema vetomanes. You
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: have with all these chemicals. I've never made math, I've
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: never even seen breaking bad but brought to us by
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: one Charles Manson's friends, Brian Kranston, friends with Charles Manson.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: His word's not mine, they knew each other anyhow. Yeah, strangely,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: why is it always Manson's buddy's bringing always always processed
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: fuckers bringing us all this degradation to society. Weird, right,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of byproduct, so they have to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: do something with that. You can't just go throat and
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you know, in a ways you gotta have you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: where'd you get all his chemicals you're dumping? Oh, I
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: make metho at home, you know, I mean, you got
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to do something with it. So what's a great way
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: to do it? Build some concrete anchors, go through it
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: in the ocean. To one of your dudes who's out
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: there fishing every week, or something like that, because the
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: guy is a big fisherman. His first day with Lacy
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Peterson was fishing. Who takes I'm a big fisherman, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: living a van down by the river I live. I'm
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: a fucking mountain man. I've never taken my first day
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: in it. Why I mean, I was married for seventeen years,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: but never did my first day in into it to fishing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: But he didn't have the boat. He bought the boat
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the day he told Amber Fry that his wife was dead.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: So he's a lie.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: But why tell her my wife is dead?
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: And then we are not We are not debating whether
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: or not Scott Peterson was a scumbag liar.
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: We all know that. But what was he trying to
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: cover up with his life.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Before December ninth? What?
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: What?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: How do you explain? What was he you saying he
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: bought the boat on December ninth because he was dumping drugs.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: He was always fishing, he was renting. So let's let's
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: unpack ever saying. Let's also note back to his father.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: His father's went and got him this job again. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: let's also note that according for whatever reason, I don't know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: so the state try to pretend like this this identity
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: that Scott Peterson had created for himself with Amber Fry
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: on those recordings that they had her do right, which
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: he again was very apologetic to her for lying, et cetera,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: et cetera. You know what I mean. So there's a
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: lot of things that we said about his behavior there
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: that doesn't really yield to appoint to him being guilty,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: but it was framed that way, and they were framing
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: as an obsession with this lady. And again he, by
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: his own admission, was bang the other ladies. He has
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: a scumbag that is, That's what I mean. So what
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: other skumbag activities into? So he's he's always fishing, so
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: he's renting boats, he's doing these other things. He's going
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to Cairo. He's going to uh, give me one second.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: My dog's are getting outrageous, give me one second. Oh yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So we know when we're trying to parse out what
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Scott Peterson did or did not do here, I mean,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: he's obviously hiding since again what is he hiding, right?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: What activities was he into? What was he doing on
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: on these fishing trips? Why is a fertilizer salesman who
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: became the top fertilizer salesman for that company, a company
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: that's out of Spain. I believe it is, if I'm
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: not mistaken or ask some weird European connections. And Peterson's
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: going to Cairo, He's going to Belgium, He's going to
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: There's not a far off destination that he's going to.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Hey go, there's not a far off destinations going to.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: What where's he going through these times that the state
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: would later claim that he's lying to amber Fry about
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: being this jetsenter. Gup. No, he's really going to those places.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: He just wasn't there at the time he was telling
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: amber Fry he.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: Was there, Harris, Yeah, but it's worth note the androgenous
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: hydroxide is an ineffective and more expensive fertilizer than what's
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: on the market for farmers in the area. Yet he's
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: a top salesman. Who's he selling this shit too? I
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: want to see your seats on that shit, because yes,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: this guy, I'll just say, he's got some corn pop
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: qualities to him. He's a bad dude and he's hanging
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: he's running with some bad boys. So those bad boys
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: definitely are behind this. In my opinion, and the evidence
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: of the fetus and the I think they turned him
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: over to the process or whoever else is fucking running
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: satanic rituals in that area.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is the area.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: And they were also searching fresh waterways in the foothills
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: of the Sierras, and made me think of all these
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: fucking program to kill people that Julie is talking about.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: That's like, probably why they were looking up there is
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: because maybe that is where it happened. Places like that,
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: And why were they searching just anywhere where there's water.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Scott could have been fishing or dumping bodies.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, but can I mean, that's a good question. What
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: it begs the question what else was going on and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: they were looking for? Right?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But all right, all right, let me back it up
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: just a little bit. Okay, just backing up a little bit.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The day that she supposedly went missing, right, he if
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he didn't do it himself, he knew she was already
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: fucking dead, or that she was about to be fucking dead.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: That was part of my argument.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He comes home, he does a load of laundry for himself,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He eats a piece of pizza, He takes a shower,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: he's moseying around the house. Then he calls her mom
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and was like, Hey, if Lacy's not over there, I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: guess she's.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Missing, which is when the nonchalant is fucked, which is.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: When the reported nine one one call was made by
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: her stepfather. Yeah, I think all that can track. Scott
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: did not look like he was in mourning. He was
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: a poor an addict. He was a sex addict, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: he kept that shit going after all this went down. Yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: he doesn't do himself any favors. And yeah, this is
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: not about.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: What he knew something was going on, right, they all
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: knew something was going on. The media frame he was
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: trying to go to Mexico. He may have been, we
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: don't know for sure. But when he dyed his hair,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: he had his brother's driver's license, all those things, camping equipment,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: and his mother bottom of a car, et cetera. When
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: here's the deal, the whole family knew they were in
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: that he was in some shit. Because the whole family's
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: involved in some shit, it seems right. So we look
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: after the like a cult, like a processed style cult, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: dealing drugs, like just like that same area with with
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the Hell's Angels, and Charles Manson with with a mathem
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: medesto for decades earlier. We're to assume that's an extension
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: of a similar network or same network. We're going to
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: see the same activities and patterns, and we do so
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the fact that we see the family doing all these
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: weird things that they're helping him hide something. They've all
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: maintained his innocence, so it would indicate they all know something.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: He indicated he knew something he knew because again he
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: knew that he was involved with the ship.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not easy to get, right, fifteen thousand.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: In cash, well, not by your normal means. But also
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: he didn't have money on record. He was fucking up
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: to his eyeballs in debt, That's what I'm saying. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: he was wealthy, but it wasn't on paper because it
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: couldn't be.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So that you're saying, that's where the fifteen thousand in
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: cash came from.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: This guy's traveling around buying new shit. They were not
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: a product of wealth. Her parents had some money, yeah,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: but not a lot of.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Thousand in cash.
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: All right, with that narrative that you're presenting, how do
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: you account for the fifteen k.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, if he's got this money and he's not
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the one who did it, he knew from fucking Jump
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Street she was dead.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: That tracks with what I'm trying to You guys are
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: read Oh yeah, that's what I agree. So have you
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: guys either read or seen Gone Girl?
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: Do you know what I think? This guy looks like
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: Ben Affleck?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah he does.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: When I watched Gone Girl, I kept thinking of this case.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: I was like, wait a minute, what is David Fincher,
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Director of Hollywood. CIA heard saying, Because it's always David Fincher.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: He gave us the social network, he gives us these
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: cut and dry fucking He used to be a great filmmaker.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Now he makes propaganda. And I think that that Gone
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Girl was another none.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: To Scott Peterson, Zodiac was kind of propaganda.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I think so too.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: Zodiac's very propaganda. I think it's a totally great movie too.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I loved the movie. But it's just a story.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: It's not it's a good story. They told us.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: It's a fanciful tale, right. Brought to us by Robert Smith,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: not Robert gray Smith. His name is Roberts gray Smith,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the Third. His father was the US Air Force colonel.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: Did he sing in the band of the Cure.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Right the Uh, well, here, let's look at these details there.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: So he's lying about going on a fishing trip because
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: they don't wanting people to know he bought this secret boat.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: He doesn't want Bill knows he got the secret boat
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: because he's umping drug stuff and you know for other
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: parties in the ocean, is what we're saying, right Colby.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and why why the homemade anchors? If you just
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: killed your wife, you're gonna make an anchor, you'd go.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: Buy a fuck.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: He lied about the anchors.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: He lied about it because of what he was really doing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: He didn't want to go down for a good lie.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: About the concrete, he said, about the concrete for his driveway.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But you're not going to tell no, I'm buying the
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: concrete to build these anchors to say drug you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you know, the the byproduct of drug, drug manufacturer.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: He's such a sitting duck for a setup.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: He also said that when he went fishing that morning,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that he was using some type of silver lure.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: At first, he didn't know what he was using.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: If you if you listen to the cops, and then
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: he lied because apparently they were talking about sturgeon fishing
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: at one point. I mean, they focused a way too
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: much on that because obviously this guy's a liar.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: He makes himself look like dog shit because.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: He couldn't have made himself look any guilty. Or we're
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: on the same page.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Let's agree he's a liar. Let's agree that he made
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a bunch of he did lie a couple of times
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: with the police. But the overwhelming narrative is chronology events
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: that they you know, what location he was at. He
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: was still doing an activity he didn't golfing, because he's
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: dumping drug stuff probably, right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: He had to have a cover story for what he
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: was doing.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Right, right, So, but in investigating that, they never put
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: him in any place to put him in the fundamental
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: aspect of an investigation homicide, specifically, you got you gotta
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: find your your suspect has to have a nexus point
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: with both the victim and the crime scene. They never
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: found a crime scene and nexus point or even a weapon.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Yes, they completely tried him in the court of publicion
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: with circumstantial evidence that looks horrible. There's no fucking way
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: they could have gotten a fair jury in this trial.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: There is no fucking way they couldn't have moved it
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: to the moon.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Well, and on top of this, they just made up
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: out right, look, look, let's look at this stuff with
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the boat, so he would he did to go fishing,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: he went on the water. That was later proven they
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: used a sniffer dog, a bloodhound that was not certified,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: that it failed at certifications, and they gave it an
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: item of clothing that had both Lacey and Scott sent
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: on it, and then they claimed that it tracked Lacey
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: down a pier where she was then taken into the water,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: and then they showed attractor in his warehouse. Yeah, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: that dog was tracking a scent item that also had
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Scott sent on it, and nonetheless it also had failed
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: at certifications. And now that was approved. They brought that
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: argument up and try but again the no one was
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: going to listen to that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah they were.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: It was on record that this dog and I find
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: this number funny. I was telling Julia last night he
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: was wrong sixty six percent of the time. So knowing
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: that and knowing all the witness testimony that's left out
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: of this trial, if you look at the circumstantial evidence
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: and you look at the stuff that wasn't admitted that
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: would make him look even like there's a possibility of
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: his innocence. Yeah, this was he was railroad.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: So are you saying that him dumping the drugs in
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: his boat is the reason why weeks prior to her missing.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: Well, he's not dumping drugs. First of all, he is
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: he is. He is the guy, the chemical guy, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: so he had to get rid of that ship. Like
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: JJ was saying, he.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Dumped the byproduct, right, That's how I look at it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was just gonna say, is that why
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: prior to her missing? Uh, he was researching tides?
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm. He's dumping something. He's not dumping the body though.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: He looks guilty if you know the mainstream, but you
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: don't know what this guy was really up to.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he looks guilty.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: If we're going along with the gone girl narrative. Though,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: do you think the body that they found was even.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: I think it's a little nod in a wink. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: don't know exactly what.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: The head this wasn't find legs, arms. All they found
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was like tits in a stomach.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that ship was fucking sacrificed to Moloch. We'll never
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: find the head.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Okay, but I'm saying, like or there's a question of
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: Jordan at your question, it begs the question when they
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: do present later friends of evidence claiming they did DNA
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: testing and confirming it was Lacy and Connor right, the
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: baby and the mother are there, the bodies they located
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: the torso and then the baby.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Well, we to believe them when they've lied so many
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: other times across the case.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: So you're saying that might not have even.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Been I'm saying, I'd like to, you know, once again,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: once they lie so many times, man, it's hard to
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: believe them when they make that. When they made that
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: conclusion later, you know, when we can point to things
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: that they demonstrated a lot about and then the state
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: would not you know, obfuscated items from the defense. For example,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: there was much like the Coburger defense or the Casey.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: The Coburger's defense requested twenty four times for discovery. In fact,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: recently they just found out that they proved in a
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: most more recent filing, even after the guilty plea here,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: that the state demonstrably withheld discovery claiming they didn't have
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: it when they did in fact testified under oath that
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: they did have it later. So these things are relevant
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: in the Peterson situation. So the State of California hands
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: over discovery de Mark Garret. He goes after Peterson the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: day after or the day of, maybe that Peterson signs
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: that guilty please so, and these matters of her constantly
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: hiding these scenes. We look at the authority he's doing this.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Let me let me look. Let me bring you up
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: another case that this, this case reminds me of. So
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: this guy just got denied parole. He got fifteen years
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: of life for the murder of his wife here in
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Ohio back in two thousand and eighty Ryan Whidber.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: Right, God damn, just looking at him.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: So there was no there was no evidence in this case.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: His wife died in the bathtub. He had a very
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: suspect to her. He was also cheating on his wife,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I believe, or at least trying to maybe like a
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: dating profile or something maybe, who knows. I remember that
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: precise of me. He was actually falling through her trying to.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: But nonetheless, there was infidelity and there was no evidence
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: saying she she had a medical condition, and the claim
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: was that she had that medical condition of the seizure
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and died in drowning in her bathtub while he was
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: downstairs watching TV. And again there was no evidence that
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: he drowned her. Again they based it was a purely
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: on this guy's scombag and etcetera, et cetera. The lead
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: detective in this this guy sits in prison. He just
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: got to night parole just a month ago. The judge
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: in this case is the same judge that convicted him,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: was the same judge in the appeals court that denied
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: all of his appeals. That should be noted because again,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: this is a framework I think when we have these
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: these very high profile incidents. There's been so many date
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: lines in forty eight hours about this case. This happened
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati again back in two thousand and eight. The detective,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the lead detective, was not even a credential law enforcement officer,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: let alone a fucking detective. He had fraudulently created a
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: resume to get hired by that department was a suburban
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: department north of Cincinnati, a township department. He had fraudulently
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: applied and filled out in resume saying he was a
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you know, law enforcement officer. Apparently no one checks these things.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I guess you can just claim your detective and they
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: hire you. And then he gets assigned about six months
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: in to that case, and fucking he gets found out
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: later by the defense and and argued a trial. This
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: this entirely thing to get thrown out. This guy's not
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: even a fucking hop, let alone the detective. He's a fraudster,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and they convicted the man anyway. So we see a
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: lot of times where these details just simply don't matter
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: in high profile cases. I think it's important to take
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and look at some of these high profile cases and
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: see the comparisons though, and how they ignore evidence and
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: how they then present the stuff in the in the media.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And we see the same kind of deal with Scott Peterson.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: We just saw with Ryan Widber there that he was
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: he was he was a cheating husband, so it was
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: an easy guy to blame in the media and then
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: twistings around.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Have you heard of the Chris Watts case.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you get a lot of messages to look
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: into that. Well.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: I don't whether that guy's guilty or not. What I
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: do know is that they use the same exact script
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: almost to a t. The only difference is the kids were.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Alive, so uh retired Great Falls Police Police Department, Ray
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Falls Montanne Police Department Detective John Cameron, who wrote the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: seminal study on Bird Wayne Edwards, the serial killer you've
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: probably never heard of. He asserts a large spectrum of
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: murders that Edward Wayne Edwards is responsible for. I assert
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: he's onto something, but adds like the general in a
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: hand of death cult, you know, like his buddy otis
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: tool that he knew right. He claims of being part
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: of the hand of Death cult. So in that regard,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Cameron attributes these murders to ed Now he also attributes
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the Chris Watts murders to ed So when you're saying
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the same playbook, he's in communicator. He's trying to John
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Cameron has done interviews in recent you know, he hasn't
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: done interviewed about six years, because he's seven years now.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I've been trying to get him on the podcast. We've
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: been in communications, but he seems to have been threatened
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: a lot. I think are harassed or both. But you know,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: because he's ongoing enterprises in my in my assertion, in
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: my analysis and whatnot. And you know, he's he's been
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: in contact with Wayne Williams defense, Chris Watts defense. This
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: guy's trying to tell folks that these people have been
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: framed using the same the same playbook. He's saying, it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: the ED playbook. I think he's onto something. I think
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Ed was in charge of that playbook.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: And it's an older playbook too somebody else.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: It's a very CIA chaos playbook because adds documented to
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: be part of the CIA Project Chaos stuff like.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: Ed and Ted.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: So you're thinking that's what happened with Lacey.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I'm thinking it was not something that could just coincidentally
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: have happened, and it's not fucking tied to all this
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: stuff that we do know went on in that same
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: area for decades and it doesn't even matter because what.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It still goes on today.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: Right, So I don't know what was your question.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You think that this is like a blueprint.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that if the husband from him, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: think if the.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: Late great David McGowan hadn't met his demise, however that
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: may have happened, that he would have got onto this
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: stuff and he would have continued his program to kill
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: work and he would have pointed out these networks because
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: it's the same fucking thing.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to think of other stuff that people
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: bring up about the case that makes him look guilty.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Oh, there's there's loads of it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I mean sites Amber Fry, which they love to point
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: out about that he would say stuff like, oh, I'm
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: not I haven't even been in the nursery. I can't
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: even stand to look at it. And then when they
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: served the second search warrant, they found that he took
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: all the baby stuff out.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he turned into storage.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Then he sold her car, he put the house up
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: for sale. This does not this is This is not
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a man. This guy in his pregnant wife.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: He probably already grieved before the press even knew any
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: of this has happened. And I think that this guy
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: was in bug out mode. He's waiting for this ship
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: to die down. If it's going to he's gonna fucking
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: get out.
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: And he tried.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Family knows shit shit is it the fan? Yeah, they
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: probably their lives. They don't know, they don't know where
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: it's gonna end.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: And they don't know that if Scott goes down, that
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: he's not gonna fucking talk. They probably wake up every
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: morning going is today the day the Scott really says
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: what happened and implicates all of us.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And that's probably part of it too. Man. So let's
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: look at something. I'm gonna answer both of your allose
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: points there if I may, And let's look at some
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: of the chronology of events here. So you know, uh,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: he for example, he was renting cars and going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the bay when they were doing these searches. Well, he
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: didn't want to go there in his own car. I mean,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: obviously it looks suspicious. But at the same time, you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: he knows they're trying to frame him. I mean, if
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: you know you're trying to frame I'm prop up my
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: mind in his mind, my brain holding his brain, if
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: you will. And uh, if they're trying to frame him,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: well he's want to go see what's going on over there.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: He's not just gonna be like, oh, I'm just gonna
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: let them go do these things. Right, Like again, the
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: whole family's an alert, the whole family. So she disappears
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: on well, first of all, we see the same comparison
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: with Brian Koberg before he's even indicted. In January and
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: February of twenty twenty three, they're telling the whole America
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: the media is that he's murdered other people. They got
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: a they're saying he's a suspect of murders in Pennsylvania
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: and Georgia and fucking all sorts of ship. He's a new
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Ted Bundy, right, they're claiming that too. So we see
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: the same thing with with Scott Peterson. They blamed before
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: he before the trial even began. Him and him and
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Lacey met at cal Poly University there and two years
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: after they met there, this student was murdered there. Now
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: everyone's always known it was her boyfriend, and he's since
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: been arrested with her father, that Paul Flores guy. But
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the media at the time, you know that they wouldn't
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: arrested at the time he went rested. In recent years,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I'm saying law enforcement knew who it was, but the
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: media is telling everybody that Scott Peterson did this murder.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: So we see again this this this kind of pattern
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: of behavior, right, this framework so smart.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Really, Oh yeah, she was she That was the big
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: media headlines is, oh h, Scott Peterson murders after April
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: when they found her the torso right, Scott Scott Peterson
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: murder his wife April two thousand and two, Scott or
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: two thousand and three. I apologize Scott Peterson murder his
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: wife and now he's a suspect on the disappearance of
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: another college student from there, from their university where they
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: were at, where they met.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: JJ.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: I want to ask you something real quick. Just this
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: picture of Lacy that you had just had up there.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: Julia and I last night were wondering, are there any
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: pictures of her full term pregnant, because everything is like this,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: it's from the chest up.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I've only ever seen one, sir. Yes, I know. Your
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: theory is this is this is not a real person.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I know. I like addressing all these theories as we're
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: going through that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: Well, they could easily fake a pregnant photo. That's the
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: other thing, Like, hey.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Well we just talked about how with JJ, actually how
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: they have fake bumps and fake fucking all kinds of
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: stuff with pregnant women.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: Watch a movie where someone's watch Megan Markle walking around, Well.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Just don't watch that movie with Charlie stair On because
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: she gained a sixty pound beer belly and she's not
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: wear a fake fake baby bump. Totally totally is it maybe.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've only ever seen one other photo than
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: this one where she laying and appears to be full term,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: and she's laying down on a couch and you can
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: kind of see the belly hanging out of a T shirt.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: That could even be angle. Think of a woman not pregnant.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: She's got her feet up on an ottoman right now.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: Picture this if you will. All I'm saying is I
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: don't see like a picture out there where she's eight
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: months pregnant.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: You say you have seen one, though.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I'll find it. I'll find it. What I'm referring to I.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: Like, because no, I'm just asking you to think about this.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety six, Pamela Anderson starred in the film
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Barbed Wire, and she they superimposed some of her face
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: on some other lady's body, even though allegedly even though
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Pamela Anderson imposed naked or playboy and she didn't want
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: to pose, you know, be nude in this this new
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: film for Hollywood. So we know that technology allegedly exists
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: to do these things. We saw the same thing with
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Brandon Lee and Crow right allegedly at least right well,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: they're superimposing these things at real time on can't well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: why can't they do that? In two thousand and she
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: on pictures? Right, that could be any lady's body, right,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: John Banay, I know you're a big man of the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: John Bena case there, Julia. Well uh. In the book
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: by Gary Singular, he writes about the at the time
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: they had hired a hacker the Prosecutor's office there, I
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: think was the PD my apology, No, the news did
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: the news hire the local news hired a hacker to
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: show them what was going on with this child pornography
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: stuff around these beauty pageants, and they were taking actual
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: photographs of the young girls and then superimposing their faces
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: on new girl young girl's body. So they had found
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: evidence of such with John Banay, I believe of taking
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: evidence of her picture being distributed like that with you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: super impost allegedly, right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred one hundred.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I've seen the pictures. I'm just saying this is
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: what reporting. Gary Singlers pre trustworthy source and in regards
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: to reporting.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was just going to say, if we
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: go on the theory that Lacy this whole thing is
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: staged and it never happened. I haven't seen one ultra
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: sound picture. I never saw one iota of a baby
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: anything in this entire case. Like if I died tomorrow
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and I was murdered and they found my fucking carcass somewhere,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I have so many pictures that they could show my belly.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: They could, They would show my ultrasound. They would show
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: like just to you know how they like to traumatize
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: people and make it so personal, like this is the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: baby that he killed, Look look at the ultrasound or
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: like any baby anything. There was none of that with Lacy.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Speaking of which, Julia brought up an interesting point that
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't know about last night while we were talking
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: about this, because since we'reund the baby stuff, she told
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: me that the fucking nursery theme was boats and a
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: life raft, like a life saver rig that yeah you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Want, and a life raft.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I got a picture.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: What poetic irony right there.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: If it's staged, that's part of the exactly.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Maybe that working room wind never had shit in it
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: and it was storaged for a while.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Who knows.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: So that this is the family of Peterson runs this
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: website Scott Peterson appeal dot org, and they have the
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: they have they have the case summarias and facts, appeal information,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And they have all this information timelines, et cetera.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: So we can look at some of this stuff in
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: that boat and the Lacey sidings. Right again, some of
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: the evidence that was ignored not entered into evidence. Again,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: So what we're saying here also in regards to if
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: this was all, you know, a kind of a fictional event,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: right to distract from us someone that something else in
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: this maybe drug network. You know, let's let's just say,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: let's me impose this for example, what this is. My
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: brain holds that as you're just saying these things, like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: you know, something goes on this drug network and they
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: got to do something to distract things from it. Right,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: so they run a you know, fake operation of sorts
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason that we don't the unknown reason they
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: have to do it, motivations behind it. But I can
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: make that same argument for the IA four cases because
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: again there's no evidence there are they running that operation
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: deflect from something else within this Iran contra kind of
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: drugged smuggling processed Churchy and efforts. Because there's connection to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: all of that with Idaho Contra, as I call it,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: so I think that's interesting to note because if we're
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: gonna look at that and take that into consideration, well,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: then the family's still part of it by running this
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: shit right, by even running this website and shit right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: Yes, And I just was a little tangent. I was
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: going to bring it up a little while but ago
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: when Amber came up, she was exonerated as soon as
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: the cops found out about her. They heard her story out.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: This is what they say, they heard her story out.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: They publicly announce Amber Fry has come forward, she's done
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: honest with us.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: We're exonerating her.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: She's not a suspect, but she lawyers up and gets
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: this high profile celebrity lawyer. Why did she lawyer up?
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: They say, we are not looking into her whatsoever. She's
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: cooperating with us. There's the prego pic.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's an interesting point, man, It's an
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: interesting point.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: Well, in your opinion, why would in these circumstances that
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: they set for set out for us, why does she
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: need to.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I agree, it's not a strong there's not
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: a strong case for to get an attorney that in
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: that respect, and this.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: High profile celebrity attorney.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And By the way, this this high profile celebrity
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: attorney approached her and said, I will represent you for.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: Free, and it does scream.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: You know, well, you have to take that in concider
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: in the contexts and circumstances. Also, I may because you
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: have to understand that what they used her for in
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: the prosecution. So they had her do all these secret
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: phone calls, which, by the way, it's California's two party
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: consent state.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying, there you go, the mel Gibsondom.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Right or or that or the Clippers owner remember that one.
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: Oh yes, do I listen, that racist son of a
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: bitch right the attorney.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: You'll you'll like this JJ, the attorney that represented Amber.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: He's an all red Mormon. Fucking Gloria. Oh it was Gloria.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's either her daughter. I couldn't remember which one
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: it was. They're always involved in these That's what I'm saying.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: She started unpacking the anatomy of these high profile events.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: You start seeing these patterns of the same people in activities.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Dude, when you told me it was a high profile celebrity,
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: like I said, she told me this last night, I
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: didn't know it was Gloria. That just adds credence to
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: the sensationalization.
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: Of the trial.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: All Red.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: They also, I've seen Nancy Grace go off about this case,
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: and all she does is say he's guilty, he was
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: a he was a philandering cheater, and it's like, okay,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: but where's the evidence of him killing her? You're just
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: taught you're doing character defamation here. You're not laying out
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: a compelling case that he's guilty. Just like we told
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: you he's guilty. He did this, this, this, and this.
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: We don't need to talk about real evidence.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's I think that's when Nancy Grace
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: came on the stage, was in this case, right.
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm. I think it's one of the things that
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: brought her to.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: National public public mindset. Huhm.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Is there a picture of the crib by itself?
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: JJ Let me let me look a here, because that's where.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: She had like all the little boat stuff and like
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the life preserver raft. Yes, ma'am, that is not that
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: is not traditional baby stuff.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I understand we're saying that. I'm not
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not just crediting it. I do like, unlike your
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: brain holds out on this theory, but they again their
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: first day was fishing, was a big fisherman.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: It tracks, but it just adds a little twist to them.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I feel like it adds to the twist of this
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: is staged as fucked, just like how they brought up
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Martha's Stewart and how the episode of Martha Stewart that
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: she was supposedly watching that morning about make merangue pie
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and they had to play that episode for
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: everybody in the court.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: I believe it was krimberlet it was merangue pie.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Well, I heard another story where he was going to
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: be making she was going to be making French toast.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I mean it depends on another story that she was
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to be making a gingerbread fucking house.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: And he calls her about getting a fruit basket.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, they really build up this big Christmas dinner
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: that tragically is going on.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: There is a lot of that. There is a lot
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: of narrative building that goes on around both sides in
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: this case. You don't make us some good points. So
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: if we we're just if we can go past the
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: lies and just want to point out that his family
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: does make a good argument for all these lies and
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: points out the only that he lies the police about
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: is that golf fishing instead of golfing, and Amber fry
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: and is an accurate statement. And they didn't have even well,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I have a clip from GARYT. Goos and Gang. They
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: even point out there is no gaps in his chronology
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: of events that day.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: And also I think the thing with Amber getting an attorney,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: I think Amber is a liar too. I think Amber
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: knew he was married and then when this missing person
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: thing came to attend to choose like, oh fuck.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Well now now you're gonna bring Now you're dancing to
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: my territory of theory, sir, so, I think Scott Peterson,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: like much like many people involved in these high profile
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: events that are being framed as Patsy's and situations, are
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: part of a sex cult. I'm not gonna say it's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: specifically Theleymaker process, but let's take for example, this is
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the theory of John Cameron and the overarching theory of
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: how ed Edwards operates is he infiltrates folks lives through
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: faking to be a doctor of psychiatry, which the CIA
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: gave him credentials for back in nineteen fifty five and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: was reissued numerous times after prison stents. By the way, uh,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: doctor James Garfield Langley was his name, that was his credentials.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: He even got married under the name on the same
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: day he got married with the name ed Edwards. That's
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: weird because we're both those wives are filed in Idaho
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: at the same time, same judges and magistrates and same
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: stamps too. Weird.
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: Do they just think of these nicknames on a whim
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: or these suit.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: They're not creative, right, doctor James James Garfield president and
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: then Langley the headquarters of the CIA.
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: Right, We'll never know what it really means whenever. Oh,
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: I never put together really.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: In Cameron in Camera's book on Edwards, he does point
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: out a number of cases where Edwards is caught framing
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: people and testifying or providing uh information the police as
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: informants against the murders he commits. So in these theories,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: if he's set up and he set up, Camera makes
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a very strong case for this one because it's the
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Ed's psychosis or psychopathy was diagnosed at the age of thirteen.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: When he was also diagnosed and given an IQ test
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: of one hundred and thirty two. Psychopathy was rooted in
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: this the fact that he was creating a lover's lane
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: situation in the back of a car in a one
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: night stand and he and he attacked folks of infidelity
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: and set up cheating spouses, and he'd been caught doing
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: this in the other cases by camera. So camer you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: draw some comparisons to this one and says this has
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: got a lot of ed stuff on it. But again,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it is that. I'm saying it adds
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: a network at least, right, So.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: He's talking about Peterson when he says that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the key there is he would have inserted himself
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: into Scott Peterson's life. Noticed let's say, for example, he's
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Peterson's part of this cult network that AD's part of.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: So that's how he initially gets even brought in to
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: even find a patsy to set up find finds a
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: patsy that fits his domo, that's a cheating his spouse,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: because it's easy then to blame that person first and
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: foremost it fits eds, you know, fit is you know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: mental fucking health issues by framing somebody of something he hates, right,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: So you know, there's a lot to be said about
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: in those things. But let's say he isn't a cult. Well,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: that's how we ed got ed or whoever set up
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Scott Peterson got involved in it, and Scott's Peterson's involved
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: in this drug distribution aspect of manufacturing, Well, then it's
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: not that big of a jump. I don't think to
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: assume he's in a sex cult when he's got all
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: these you know, female partners. We're processing cell situation, right.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: So what's your opinion, Amber then, because you said as
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: dancing in your brain hole.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: On that, I think she's a whore. I think she's
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: a she's a dirty whore. And I think she was
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: used for by the state for the state's ends, and
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I think most of what she said later was to
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: fit their narrative. And she did all these recordings with
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: him after between December and April that she did all
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: these recordings, and you know, none of the ship even
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: he says, seems in the kat he was guilty of
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: anything other than being a you know, cheating spouse and
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: a bitch Peterson.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: And a fucking processing and drug runner.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's a perfect He's a
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: perfect Patsy so you know he's a dumb and depraved.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: We know those things, right, He's not and he's not intelligent,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: and we know he's depraved. So's if it's the mold
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: of somebody would be involved in that. He's got a
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: number of cheating with a number of women, that's another characteristic,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: then we could throw in that bucket. Seems to be
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: involved in the math production. That again, Charles Manson and
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: the Hell's Angels were doing Meth and Modesto fifty sixty
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: years ago, right seven years ago now, so times haven't
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: changed much. I think it may still be the same network.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: And speaking of the Idaho for the victim's family, Kaylee Gounzalvez,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: her father who wears Hell's they do family photos with
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Hell's Angel stuff on, and their family photos up there
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: in Quarterley in Idaho, you know, a few miles away
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: from that Arian Nation's compound. Those Nazis, you know, no
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: big deal. Uh, They're from Methdesto and his brother is
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: a confirmed Nazi in prison for murder. So I don't
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: know that all of these things are all that disconnected.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Well, if I can just be honest with you, Amber
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: looks like I mean Lacey was beautiful if she was
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: a real person. But they pull out these pictures of
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Amber and then you see her and it's like, where
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: the fuck did you get this one from? She looked
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: like she she had like bleached blonde hair, big blue eyes.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: You know, she lived like they may have found her
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: in the valley doing porn with that twin raised lady.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying is she looked like a
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: porn star, didn't.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: She like the girl next door? Now search, No, then
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: your porn searches the girl. What's that said?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: The trailer park next door.
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: The girl of the next trailer Yeah, the.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Double, the double whye down the street. Say, even in
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: the idea that this is a fictional event, I mean know,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: how where else would you find a compromise individual to
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: play the port the porn industry great spot, neving to
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: recruit somebody for that role, it's a great spot.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: She really does look like that, though, And then her
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: attorney like, I said, I'll represent you for free glow.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: Yetto why I didn't know that was her? That's blowing
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: my mind.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to look at a couple of clips
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: from Garry Gos, you know the guy who represented Peterson,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: who maintains innocence today and has made some comments recently
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: since Peterson's case has been picked up, uh by the
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: La Innocence Project, which is different than the original Innocence Project.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: But back to this whole network, what's that, sir.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: I said in the Innocence Project, would be the very
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: first to tell you that's not us.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: They I know they do, right. I think that's a
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: good thing to differentiate. So we see the Innocence Projects
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: born out of the Orenthal James Simpson case and is
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: not his dream team, his nightmare team. And we see
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of bullshit around that connecting to the Idaho
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: four case too. Just saying, but we see this this
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: organization by his attorney, Barry Shrek, was was created to
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: suddenly use all this new fangled technologies and forensic evidence
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: in dnaight a dexignery folks. And when they've since nineteen
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: ninety two or when they created themselves there I think
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: of exonerated less than two hundred people.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: This is from the OJ trial.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: That's where I was born out of. Really, So Barry
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Shrek started the project right before the Orentthal James Simpson
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: case and then joined that team and this was really
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: propelled into the international fame of.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: This project, but the one that represents Scott indifferent.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the LA Innocence Projects.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: That's correct. Yes, yep, so this the original Innocence Project,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: took in twenty million dollars in twenty twenty and that's
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. And the way they spent it's
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: very interesting.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: And no, you go ahead after we're done talking about
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: the Innocence Project and get back to the LA. I'll
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: make money.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to get it. I just want
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: to get a quick I want to make sure my
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: numbers is correc because I haven't loked ATI in a
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: few years, but I feel like a number of years
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: ago they had like two hundred and thirty eight total exoneration.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: So it's it's important to consider that because no one
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: wants liability. The states don't want liability. Uh the I
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: heard we go, I'm sorry, I was off by a
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: factor of ten. It's twenty nine and thirty nine convicted
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: defendants who were exonerated through DNA. So you know, that's
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: important to note though, because what are they doing with
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: all that money and no state? No state? So let's
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: to say Scott Peterson did not do it. Is again,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: as I started off this conversation, that's my position. Well,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: he would sue the State of California when Main's dollars,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: just like Steven Avery did right when he when he
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: did that in Wisconsin. So these ideas of the innocence
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: projects are a fucking are part of the syop In
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: my opinion, there's no one trying to exonerate anybody. And
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: that's the same thing John Cameron argues about Ed Edwards
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: is the he was informed was in an FBI informant
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: from nineteen fifty one, a CIA operator from nineteen fifty five,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: and a domestic terror campaign operations of Project Chaos like
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: his friend Charles Manson, And so no one's gonna say
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: anying about the No one wants say anything about Ed
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: first and foremost, and secondly, no one wants to attribute
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: any murders to him because he's put people in prison
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: in those terror operations. People got executed for murders they
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: did not commit, just like Scott Peterson could is in
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: case the fact that he fits that same mold as
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I was saying before with Ed and his network. So
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying there there's no motivations to exonerate anybody
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: or do any of these innocence projects. I was kind
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: of shocked that anyone took up Peterson's case.
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: Well, and you had to get into that he actually
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: reached out to them, and the story goes. And I
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: do believe the evidence that they're talking about right now,
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: because I mentioned earlier JJ said there was ten witnesses
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: that saw the dog walk and one that stuck out
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: to me. I know about three of them in particular.
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: One guy was gassing up his car, saw Lacy walking by,
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: described similar clothes to another guy that saw on the
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: same street, remembers looking at the dog side note dog
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: star dogs come up way too fucking often in this drive. No,
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: but anyway, so they see her and then a woman.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: I think this is the most damning evidence of all
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: sees an orange Van sees at the Medina household on
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: the twenty fourth. This is her testimony. She drives by
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: real slow, she's old. She said she wouldn't have looked twice.
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: But there is two nefarious guys who seemed to fit
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: the description of these two that did admit they robbed
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: the home. So she says as she passes by. She
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: looks and in her mirror she sees a woman, a
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: woman squatting down and urinating next to the van, and
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: then an arm reaches out and grabs her and pulls
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: her in.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Have you heard that direct? If I may, that's a
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: brown van there, right, because that's part of the confusion
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: that's been going on.
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: I've noticed in this case it was orange when I
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: heard it.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think, well, I think the orange van is
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: the new piece of evidence they've introduced to this innocence project,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: stuff that the law enforcement never tested. And I got
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: a clip on that. The van I think that was
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: the connected to the robbers was a tan or brown van,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, but that's I believe that's the
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: one from You may be right. It may be in
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: the orange van. This lady's seen to that, but there
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: was The police initially claimed they had cleared the robbers,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: the burglars and their van, but and there was a
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: lot of confusion that was then later made about that
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: orange van. No, you're right, So the state tried to
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: conflate these vans and they did a good job of it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: So the states, the state said brown or tan, No,
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: there was.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Two different vans, and they try to make everyone believe
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: that pay no attention to the orange van with the
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: blood in it, right.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, a bloody mattress.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: And I got a clip on that from the guy
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: who found it, from the firefighter who found it. So
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I was wrong. There was actually twenty four sidings within
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: her normal one mile readies of her home, of her
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: dog walk.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: There were more in court. Gegus, you fucking probably did not.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: This is the first time I'm hearing about twenty four sightings.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: Me too, But the three that I know about, yeah, obviously.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: They reported the proper, proper clothing she was last seeing
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: eating breakfast with that morning with Scott, and they reported
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: the dog and they'd seen her before this was her
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: normal route. So that's very interesting, right, we got all
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: these you know you know again, the state, I mean,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: the state's timeline again has so many problems because they
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: started arguing with timeline that they later changed throughout the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: course of their even fucking trial. Man, it's just so weird.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Well, uh, I just wanted to say something really quick
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: on Colby's point. Let's just say that this is all
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: fake and staged. Yeah, engaged, Okay, but let's just say that, right,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: And like the weirdness around, like where's the ultrasound pictures?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Why was?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Why is there conflicting information about the tourso versus the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: all of it? Let's just say it's all fake and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: that's why it doesn't make sense. And you mentioned how
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: often the dog comes up in this case. Guess what
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: the name Connor means?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: What Irish dog?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Lover of hounds?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Come on, lover of hounds?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: All right, Julia, can I ask you at this point,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: I'm dying to know are you still?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: Where are you at?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: This is all theater?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: Okay, but let's pretend. Let's pretend it's real.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: Though.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: Is he the killer?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I did it? JJ?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: We're not even done yet.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Nice. Well, I'm I'm with you. I'm trying to think
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: this is not this may not be real because we
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: were talking about high profile celebrity attorneys. I mean, look
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: at look, so we got all right on one side,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: we got Garry gos on the other. You know, he's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: he was already defending Michael Jackson before this trial, right,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: the Jackson attorney later. I might have gotten those mistakes.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: I think it was before. And Robert Downey Jr. As Well,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: I mean this guy was yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Oh yeah, when Robert Downey Junior woke
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: up in his neighbor's son's bed, Oh yeah that's normal.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah that was the Now he's a vegan, fucking Tello
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: and also all how to live.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: Fuck that guy.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Junior wakes up down down Malibu Beach and not even
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: his next door neighbor, just down the beach neighbor's bed
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: of the like their twelve year old son, and he's like, oh,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I thought this was my bed. Then go fuck yourself.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: Rob When you said that thing about the Dog Star,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: well yeah, the Connor thing. I didn't even know about.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Lover of Hounds.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's wild, dude. Well, I mean everyone, No, that's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: a great All these all these ancient alien cargo cult
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: fuckers they all love serious so the Dog Star. So
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: that's a it's an interesting point.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: So here Garrett Goes is gonna tell us about this
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: new La Innosent project here, and then he's gonna he's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: gonna go over some of the salient characteristics of why
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: the state uh their their bullshit case and the evidence
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: that they didn't have against Peterson and the evidence and
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  Speaker 3: his you know e sculpatory evidence if you will.
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  Speaker 9: It's important, trial Mark, thanks so much for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm way too fast, my apologies. I could probably play
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  Speaker 3: as in almost speed I think on the news nation
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  Speaker 3: probably Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I think we're allowed to show the narrative to point
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: out that I hope So America that picked up this
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 9: case is a completely separate entity from the story reputable
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 9: Innocence Project that.
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  Speaker 3: We are, the storied reputable Innocence Project in your mind
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: and the strength of this fight.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: No, not really. The Innocence Project that picked up this
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: case was formed a couple of years ago when Los
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: Angeles and has a somebody who used to be at
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: a project the Loyal Law School where I went, pears
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: that they've been doing.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to I was just I got lost
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: in the swite.
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  Speaker 7: I interrupted you.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: I interrupted you because this is all sideways, right, just
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: like his fucking bookshelf.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: What the fuck kind of bookshelf is that?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe like you No, I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: mean again, dude, I don't have a lot of faith
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: in this. Dude is being a good attorney. Like I said,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: you know the statements you make about he left a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: lot of shit out by putting on a good show.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: I would say that saying about Annan Sailor's.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: All right if this is fake, I just want to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: say I said he looked so much like Ben Affleck
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: with the Gone Girl thing. That could fucking be Ben
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: Affleck playing this role with the fucking little double chin
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: added with some prosthetics. I mean, honestly, I'd like to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: do an ear compared. I like you, dude, because this
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: could be Ted Bundy Jack Nicholson style.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: Shit.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: What you're saying is in this Gone Girl theory, sir,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: you're saying that the Gone Girl movie was depicting in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: real life events and they're just kind of bragging about.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: It, not in a wink to it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: I think that circumstantially it's very similar the story, Like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: you remember the scene where you're wondering if he what's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: going on in his head and he's standing out in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: his driveway at night. Then his fucking side bitch comes
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: up and he's like, what are.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: You doing here?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: You're supposed to think that fucker's guilty through the whole thing,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: and then you find out the bitch isn't even dead.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: Spoil alert the movie.
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  Speaker 3: My only question is where does Neil Patrick Harris playing
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: to this?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: Okay? Was was he in that movie?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Definitely in that movie, sir, he was the one that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: got murked.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: I forgot all about his role in that.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: That is Rosamond Pike, that scandalous bitch, the one that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: faked your death. So you're saying, Lacy Peterson fake your
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: death is what you're saying in this theory.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: I'm saying it's a nod in a week.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm saying that could just be the the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: dog whistle to say, look again at Scott Peterson, because.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Let's present a scenario then when they're both in the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: colt and the somehow the cult is gonna frame him
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: because he, you know, for whatever impetus behind that whatever.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: And let me give you an example of another circumstances
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: that may have occurred. So the Fight Club author speaking
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: of David Fincher, right that he didn't did he did
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: fight Club? Right?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: The author, Chuck Palnok's father was murdered on May twenty eighth,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, and late Tall County, Idaho. The woman
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: he allegedly met on a classified out a few months
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: prior who was murdered with the murder. The man in
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: prison today is her ex husband, Dale Shackleford, convicted child rapist.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Before he even married that lady. She was an attorney,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: met him in prison while he was on that rape charge.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: So hard man to defend, but no evidence against Dale
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: in any regards to the murders. And furthermore, Dale and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: his wife seemed to be part of this. Speaking of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: math trafficking, he had a dry convicted kidddler opened up
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: a trucking company with his lawyer wife transporting chemicals from
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: the ozarks of Missouri Common Area Nations Hotspot to Idaho
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Common Area Nations Hotspot and meth trafficking operations. And they
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: all have sex cult stuff going on around him. He's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: got like three or four side pieces. When it comes
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: to trial, they all testify against him. The woman in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: the burnout cabin with Chuck Palinook's father, the two deceased
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: in this. In this matter, the alleged ex wife of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Dale Shackleford, the kid diddling apparently met traffick er sex coultist.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't have a uterus or sorry disregard the body
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: in the war and the burn up Cavin had a uterus.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: The one that was there with Chuck Pallino's dad Fred,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: the alleged deceased woman had no uterus. So if these
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: are matters of a sex cult turning against the party
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: and framing stuff and currently have some operations, we see
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: more patterns of that across time and space in different
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: locations across the America.
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  Speaker 7: This wondering uterus keeps coming.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: In, right, the wandering us case, that's a good name.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: For it, because I mean, that's a legitimate We did
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: that insanity or mental illness series, and that was a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: real thing. But that they were saying made women crazy.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: But they looked at it as like a little.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: Hound dog that like to roam around in the woman
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: and it would make her crazy. But anyway, what was
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: that they back in the day, they would say that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: the woman had a wondering uterus. If it was too
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: high you needed to entice it back down to the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: bulvaria with some smells.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: Or if it was too low and there was like
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: a hound dog, they said, it's like a hound dog
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: like it was right, yeah, exactly. So to me, when
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: you look at the tours so that they found, they
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: always say, all of our internal organs are missing. Other
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: than the uterus with Lacy. So the uterus just keeps
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: coming back up in these things.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: That's very often. I'm glad you pointed that out, Sir.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go on a uterus hunt now, not.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: In on Well, I knew, Tony dude.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I was utterly stunned when I read that stuff on
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Dale Shackle for his case. His lawyers argued it in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: their trial. And you know what the state by all
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: appears is there's no evidence of state ever disper I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: can find no record of Let's they just ignored it.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: They just ignort it, you know, So you know, maybe
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: we might be honest something there may be more importance
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: if you're talking about the serious worship and some sort
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: of connections of the uterus. Well, we just identified two
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: weird uterus cases here, didn't we.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And let's.
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  Speaker 2: Just say that even if this story is fake, the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: way that they talk about the discovery of the torso
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: very significant in the DisCrit Well, we found just the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: torso and just the uterus. And then like Connor was found.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: With the fucking string of twine tight around his neck,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: not something the ocean would do.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was a piece of tape on his
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: ear not account for. It reminds me of the John
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Benay case where they have the twine and the and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: the and the the Garrett that they've never really accounted
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: for the stun gun stuff. Again, things that are not
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: that were not sourced from inside that home. So and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: again it's back to Ed Edwards. John Cameron claims ed
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: was that Santa Claus guy that that John Banan was
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: telling everybody about, and then he would have infiltrated the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: home on the Christmas part of the day before that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: cut out.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: We did, so you'll probably get that recorded on your end.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was just saying that John the Ed
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Edwards theory of John Cameron. He claims that that camera's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: responsible for John Benet's as well, and that Edwards was
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: the Santa Claus that John Baney was telling everyone about,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: and that Edwards would have been the guy that called
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: them and one from the home Christmas part of the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: day prior just to test the response time.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Did you know that Hunter S. Thompson wrote about the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Santa Claus?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know, Kings. I did not know that. Actually, ma'am.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: There's a process connection right there right.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: And we know where he was running around At that time.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Hunter s. Thompson knew the Santa Claus that John Bennet
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: was talking about.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: Or was the Santa Claus. I wouldn't be surprised at
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: this point. And that guy was a hero of mine
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: at one point.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: It's certainly I mean, I like the idea. It' certainly possible.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: It did look just like Santa Claus at that time.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: I will note that white hair white.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: You're thinking Hunter was maybe running with Ed.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I think Ad again is the general of their handed
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: death team. So if hunters up in the pornography, it's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: film department, and he's gonna know that the guy in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: the head of the fucking you know all, look at
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: us a corporation. You know that. You know? Have you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: ever seen the film No Country for Old Men? Oh?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: Yes, you know how I want to watch that with
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: her at some point.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: I'd like to invite you all for a future in
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: cult and esoterical view on that film. I liked the book,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Cormick McCarthy's book, but I like the film as well,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: by the Cohen Brothers. And you see in that film
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: what I'm describing here in this corporate network. So you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: see Milton from office space who lost the Staplers operating
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: as some sort of managerial position in Midland, Texas where
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: the bushes that are from strangely right in a you know,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: and when Midlands is a weird are you have nothing
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: but west desert of Texas and then you have like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: this small block of skyscrapers you see off in the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: distance like a mirage. That's fucking Midland, you know, the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Texas there. So that's what we see in the film.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: Yes, sir, did you think it was weird that Woody
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: Harrelson was literally playing his father in that movie?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Well, that's where I was my points. So we see
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: what Harrelson's playing a hitman within this network, right, which
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: is again what his father did. And these people are
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: just telling us their tales, right, And his father was
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: in Texas in that era doing those things. He actually shot, shoots,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: gets convicted for the murder of Judge Roy Wood. I
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: believe he's the second federal judge ever ever sitting judge,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: federal sitting judge ever murdered, ever murked in America. So
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: he does that for the Mexkin drug cartel. So we
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: see him working within the same network already that we
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: see it depicting that film. I don't think it's why.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: I like your brain holds that, sir. I don't think
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: there's any consequence we see that.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: But no, I got another one for you too. There's
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: some monarch shit going on in that movie. Tommy Lee
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: Jones is the fucking bad guy in that movie. Oh shit, dude,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: do you ever see it, like recently?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: Do you remember right now? I remember, I've seen that
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: film hundred of times.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: Do you remember when he's sitting in the TV and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: he grabs the milk and then there's the scene at
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: the end where and what's his name, anton or I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: don't remember.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: The Anton Antony? It is anton Is, you know?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: And yeah, so anyway, he goes up to the wife
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: at the end of the movie.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: She knows who he is. She's seen him before, she
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: and she knows she's gonna die.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: She has seen right, dude, that's right, that's right.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: Dan, And I mean watch it again with that.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Now Stephen says, are you the devil? Or are you dead?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Something something in that regard.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to watch that clip though that had.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: I'll bring it right up. So in regards to the now,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: we're going to get too far off either. So we
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: see what Harrisson and retired US Army colonel goes to
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: this meet Milton from office space in this Midland office
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: building in Texas to describe recouping the drug money. He's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: he's one of their guys and fills a role within
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: this network. So he knows Anton, the other hit man guy, right,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: And they know the people that are in the distribution network,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: but they don't know that, you know, it's compartmentalized. They
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: just know of these people in certain respects. So I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: I assert that's how that operates in the real world.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: And they're just bragging about it by putting Whatty Harrelson
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: there because that's what his dad did. His dad was
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: forming armory colonel. But nonetheless it was the role he
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: played in Texas at that time for those people. So
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: we see this being operated in corporate capacity. I would
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: say again, we see a uh, you have a logistics
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: distribution channels. You have your distribution you know, department of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: your logistics kind of supply department where Peterson would fall in.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: You know, you have other departments where folks may know
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: of each other, you know, so you may have like
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: a your top guy, like a hunter s. Thompson may
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: know an ed in that nomork right because of their
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: you know they're up in the upper echel out of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: this corporation. Yeah, they've been there for a long time.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: They've crossed pass over the decades kind of deal, right,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of way I look at it.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: So Gary Goes brings up some interesting points here about
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: the case against and lack thereof against Peterson. So I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: think the next ones at two minutes here, I'll fast
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: forward to maybe, uh, there we.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 8: Go an unpopular belief to have. I mean, if you
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: go through the so called evidence in the case, I
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: could debunk virtually every single thing. But people have, or
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: a lot of people have a visceral reaction to this
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: case that was not correspond to the evidence.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this was one of those infamous cases that the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: whole country followed. Speaking of the evidence, I had a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: viewer right to me that it seems a lot of
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: this hinges on the Medina burglary that happened, as well
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: as the fact that police quote failed to investigate exculpatory evidence.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: But more police did verify the statements and alibis of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: those burglars. If there was police misconduct anywhere in this case,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: in a case of this magnitude, why would that not
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: have been discovered the first time around?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: Well, it actually was the first time around. The officers
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: were trying to say that the burglary took place on
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: the twenty six. Well, by the twenty six, as you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: subsequently would know, most of the news media was already
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: camped out on that street.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: You pointed that out earlier, sir, I was a very
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: salient characteristic of the bullshit that went on in this case.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one of those big things that can't be overlooked.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: They needed to get their story straight and they fucked up.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you'd think they would do that during
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: their investigation before he goes to trial.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: I mean to me, when you're like in the middle
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: of a frame up in real time, you're gonna slip
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: up sometimes, and when you get dates and shit wrong
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: like that.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: The way they tried to reach like go back and
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: you know, set it straight, it just made it even
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: look more suspicious.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, that's a fair point. I gotta let
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: this guy out. I'll give me one second.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: I actually have a question about this right now. So
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: when are you guys, when are you guys thinking that
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: the burglary happened in the twenty.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: Fourth whatever day Lacey died or gut nabbed.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it happened after one o'clock on the twenty fourth,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: when they had them them internet searches.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: Okay, that old woman just claims it was Christmas Eve
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: when she saw the nefarious action going around that.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was numerous corresponding accounts that seemed to indicated that was,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: in fact when it occurred. Okay, so you're you would
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: be because again there's so much Again, there's so much
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: narrative that was spun here, and the facts from fiction
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: is tough to discern, much like the Idaho four case. Yeah,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: and again the exculpatory evidence they did, they didn't test
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: shit and stuff like that. Same as Idaho four. There
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: was blood on that famous knife sheet every one talks
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: about with a touch DNA that actually had blood blood
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: on it from other males that was never tested, so unidentified.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Not Coburger's blood, so not the victim's blood. So again
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: we see the same malfeasans by by authorities. I think,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: because Gary Goes explains, while.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: The entire media scrub was out there in the middle
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: of the street. This burglary took place Number one, Number two.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: The other thing that has always arked me the day
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: the jury convicted Scott. The prosecution handed me discovery on
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: that very day that he was convicted.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Where again Idaho did the same thing to Brian Coverger.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: A lieutenant at the Chino Prison had intercepted a call
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: from an inmate to one of the burglars who were
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: talking about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during the burglary.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: That tape went missing and they never disclosed that until
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: the day of his conviction.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Goobe respond with your assessmentand has the very sounding
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: characteristics in the innocence of the fact that Scott Peterson
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: did not do it and the malfeasans of the law
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: enforcement authorities. How do you get a recording from these
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: burglars which they shit goat the timelines and narratives around
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: these burglars in the event, you know what I mean,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: they move all these timelines and then you later have
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: a tape that gets disclosed to the defense after he
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: signs it guilty plea, but the tape's actually lost.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what the significance is of that woman saying,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Lacy squatted down to pee.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: She's probably eight and a half months pregnant and needs
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: to pee and begs the guys to let her pee,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: and they make her do it right on the ground.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: They don't want her to go.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: She's probably trying to buy time, get back in the house,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: try to get away or something, and they make her
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: do it right there. She gets spotted by the old bitch,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: and then they just yanker in the van, probably midstream.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: It's certainly a plausible scenario.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: And there's a mattress in there.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: You'll see. They keep inflating these vans. We'll see in
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: the next clip after Garrigus. The intentional conflation of these vans,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: which makes me seems to me indicates there's a lot
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: more to both of those vans, because let's just say,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: maybe both fans were involved. Maybe they was a you know,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: they switch vehicles at some point. We've seen that in
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Afflick movies, The Town. They do that in the Town
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: with Affleck. We're basing these theories off of Afflac films.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, there we go.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I hear you, well, we got up next.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Oh shoot, my bad I didn't say this. I thought
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I was dude, I'm new. I don't know what to do.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: I hit played, dude, I'm stupid, dude. Reason I like
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: what Sharry and I. I was just watching Gary Griss myself.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't want you guys to join me. That's one
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: of me and Gary Gris myself.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: I'm curious.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: I'm curious, just as an everyday American.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: Who can you'll see that here that he was where
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: a lieutenant at the prison had intercepted a call from
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 10: an inmate to one of the burglars who were talking
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 10: about Lacy Peterson and confronting her during the burglary.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: That tape went missing, and they never disclosed that until
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: the day of his conviction.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: And I'm assuming have you talked to the La Innocence Project.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 9: I mean I have sious because I'm curious, just as
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 9: an everyday American who followed this case. I mean, in
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: their eyes and you who just said I knew the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: evidence better than anybody else, what's the smoking gun here?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What's the smoking I was waiting for guns?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: It was possibly exoneration in the future. I mean, what's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: going to have to come forward for a new trial
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: to actually come to fruition for Scott Peterson.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 8: Well, I don't know that I would be in a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 8: position to characterizez what they think. I have always thought
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: that the fact the complete collapse of any kind of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: forensic evidence tying Scott to a crime. Remember that house
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 8: h and that bay were probably the most searched and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 8: forensically tested two areas at the time.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: There was nothing, So I think it makes it. That's
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: one of my biggest points right there. Like one of
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: the biggest takeaways I have is when they do all
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: this massive searching, you know, the amount of evidence they find.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: They're like, we found like this, you know, some of
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Lacey's blood or hair on a boat and stuff like that,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: like one strand of hair, Like even if it was
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: they're not planted, Like it's not unreasonable to believe that
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: these married partners would exchange such things as transporting a
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: hair onto something, you know, another vehicle they go into. Again,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: it's not evidence of a crime, you know what I mean,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: They're not evidence of this is we found the murder weapon,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: he took it, did this on this date, and did
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: these things. And then when they try to paint those
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: narratives they have again as we've already pointed out, changed
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: their own their own theories mid trial.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: Well, what do you what do you think about Gergis Like,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: I don't think how can you sit here and say
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: this the discovery process, sure, but once new evidence comes
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: to light and he waits until now to like, I mean,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: he's basically admitting that this did come out in time.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's imagine this scenario. It's all part of it.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Even if it's a real ven or not, there's still
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: psychological operations and a magic show around it to distract
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: folks attention from the real reality of the situation. So
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: let's assume that unless he's playing a great role, right,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: he does he does his job. Well, he goes like this,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: my work here is done.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: So you think that he's in on it, You think
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: that he's in on getting Scott falsely convicted.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he was part of the rail roading
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: for sure. And then another thing, look at.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: As I call a nightmare team of Orenthal, James Simpson.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: The only person that cared about Orentthel James Simpson. There
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: was Pal Kardash and everyone else that was part of
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: the railroad, part of the magic show.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: But he was only given a million dollars to do
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: this case. That might sound like a lot of money,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: but people like have looked into these murders and like
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: how the court stuff works, that's nothing.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: He should have gotten way more for this if this
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 7: was legit.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he you know, he's you know, what's he
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: done for him? Since again you know, I'm not I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: almost to speak for John Cameron, but to my understanding
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: from statements I've heard him making previous shows years ago,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: the detective, the Ed Edwards detective, that is, he's reached
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: out to reach out to all these guys like Garri
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: Gers and gotten their response. So that's to say something too.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: I didn't know that. Oh yeah, he's keeping the show going,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: that's for sure.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Yep, he's got some more. He's got some more statements
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: That they have recovered. They believe they'll do some testing
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 8: there and they have in reading the motion some other
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 8: pieces of evidence that there appears.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: Now he says he's reading the motions. He's not involved
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: in this case. He's simply read that innocence project. Finally,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: and I've read the same thing. And again, this is
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: the new Van, this is not the old an. We'll
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: get it. He doesn't really, he doesn't really point that
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: out here.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 8: Twenty years later to be techniques that can be utilized
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 8: that will potentially point to a complete exoneration. I will
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 8: say it again, and I know I've said it already
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: in this brief time I've had it with you. There
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 8: is has never been any evidence as to how he
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 8: did this, where he did this, or when he did this. Remember,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: wouldn't it?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: And that was the point I was making earlier. There was,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: you know, standard investigation. You have to establish NeXT's point
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: of your suspect, who committed this crime, the victim of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: the crime, and the scene of that crime. And they
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: did none of that. And they also did none of
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: that night I who four. In fact, they've they've come
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: out since the guilty plea there and said, oh, we
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: can't even put him in the house. The cell phone
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: tower ship was garbage. We don't know that he was
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: stalking them. It's all fucking nonsense. And it's the same
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: sort of you know playbook. Yeah, drugs has something to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: do with that. Greek them, Greek students s on them
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: to universities up There have been long standing drug distribution
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: networks and a lot of Mexican cartel activity along with
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Arian Nations style drug trafficking. So when you mentioned those
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: white nationalists earlier there, I was like, yeah, that sounds
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: about right with these with these patterns of behavior.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: Well, are you familiar with the incident I'm talking about
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: that came forward where he apparently he was, you know,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: one of his trips to Fresno. He was in a
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: titty bar and two neo Nazi guys came forward and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: said that he approached them after he saw their tattoos
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: and whatnot, and he said, how do you guys get
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: rid of bodies? How do you transport them? So these
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: two neo Nazi guys stepped forward saying that, and I
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: think it's part of the railroading. They were trying to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: like add to his fucking case or the case against him.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: Well, there you go. What better way to use compromise
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: folks within your network to then stir this whole ship
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: storm and send in a direction the false direction of
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: framing framing up Scott Peterson, the.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 7: Same guys that knew he was dumping fucking.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Probably guys for example, for example, in the Orenthal James
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: Simpson case, two of the witnesses besides Bill Colby, not you,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: not Bill Colby, Besides Bill Colby's son Carl Colby, the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: primary witness, chief witness for the state against Orenttheal James
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Simpson used Denise Brown, who was dating a confirmed mafia
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: made man hit man. Confirmed Kills had done time before then,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: and he testified as well. So you have compromised parties
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: testifying in the frame these passies. That's what I would
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: would have hurt there. Yeah, so this is the dude
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: that finds the other vans. So let's it's interesting news names.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: Isn't it with News Nation over this ship.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: Four two man four yep, yep. They're not the ones
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: creating the propaganda, the ones disseminating in the propaganda though.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: It's our Howard Bloom who's working for Cocaine, Bob Evans,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: Buddy Grayton Carter had a Vandy Fair who employs Howard
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Bloom who then they everyone repeats Howard Bloom, but they're
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: the ones who do They're the main mouthpiece. I didn't
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: know actually Banfield, who made her name in the Vegas
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: kidnapping case of Arenthal. James Simpson, why is always going
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: back to the same network with these fuckers.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: That's when he went in armed to get some memorabilia back.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He was definitely set up for that too.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: Man, that oriental James Simpson, what was.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: The kidnapping thing you're talking about? That's those are two
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: different that was it?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: That was it an armed robbery kidnapping when he when
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: he told me they can't leave, it's kidnapping in the
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: state of Nevada.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he did false imprisonment or whatever to get his back.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: They may have been a false imprisonment in charge kind
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: of memorabilia. So it is interesting though the people who
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: perpetrate and controls. There is a news nation, as you
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: point out, sir, is uh, certainly at the.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 6: Forefront, and that's interesting. Chris Cuomo, right, yeah, but I
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: didn't know who was behind the News Nation. I've never
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: really looked into them.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: But that's all. It's interesting. I think it's the now
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: you mentioned. I think it was the Tribune. I remember correctly,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: the Tribune Media Corporation w used to be w g
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: N out of Chicago. They became I believe they got rebranded,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But again, this is this
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: is so this is incidental reporting. No one cares about
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: this case, I assure you. And again John Cameron's made
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: those statements on his instance, isn't trying and you know,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: bring justice to some of these matters. Even if he
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: is wrong, clearly he's onto something. Peterson did not do it.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: But you know it's interesting, even though they're doing the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: sentinel reporting, there's this ongoing shit coding between these two vans,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: the robbery van, which was a brown or tan one,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: and then this orange one. And we see this orange
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: ones that the centerpiece, as Garry go has mentioned in
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: that filing by the La Innocence Project, maybe here was
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: a van okay, an orange van there it is was
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: found a mile from Peterson's home. It was found by
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: a Modesto fire inspector a day after Lacy Peterson went missing.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: So what Well, inside the van there was a mattress.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: On the mattress was a blood stain. The inspector says
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: it was human blood. Here's what he told GMA.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: I don't know that I was tieing the moment to Lacey.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: I was more ty in the moment that it was
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 8: human blood. It made it like this was much more
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: important than.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Just I'm gonna go ahead and say that was a
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: comment that he was told to make and that he
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: was told you. You better not telling you to connect
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: to this SLACI from David Backley. You better tell him
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: you didn't connect this from you.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: It would literally for any retard, and let alone a
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: guy who's what is he a fire what inspector or something?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: Fire chief?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's a chief.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah. They hire retards to be the exactly.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes the most. He goes the most because
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of times they are the incident commander on scenes,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: right when they go to a mash casualty event or
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: a homicide that they're the ones that are calling the corners.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: The police are oftentimes are not the ones. You can't
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: do anything yet it's all medical focused at first, right,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: So as a result of fire chiefs are the onsecene
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: commanders until like a police a police chief shows up
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: for like a police captain. So this dude's Gondam, it's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: meth Desto. It's not his first homicide scene and he's
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: not the first time he's seen bloody cause he's like, oh,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: that's definitely human blood. I can smell it, I can
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: tell the very specific tent of zinc in that blood.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like this dude seemed blood before, right, So.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: They found it because it was all burnt up.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody drove it a mile away from the house,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: set it on fire, presumably.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't find until after it had been basically
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: been extinguished. But again they didn't get rid of the evidence.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: You know what. Ed didn't get rid of evidence in
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: numerous arsens that he committed. That's why he went to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: jail when he attempted to burn a Marietta Police Department
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: sergeant's uniform from Marietta, Georgia, back in nineteen eighty two,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: where it seems that Ed had infiltrated the Atlanta Child
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Killing Task Force faking to be a Mariada. A police
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: sergeant tried to burn up that uniform in a Pennsylvania home,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: didn't work, and got arrested by the Feds for arson.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: They found the uniform in the closet.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: So on December twenty fourth, she goes for a walk
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: at some point after one pm, after she's searched sunflower dresses.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: She gets home. She home, she sees the guys across
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 7: the street where they see her. They're probably there to Naber.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: I've heard that I've heard people say that she approached
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: them to be like, what are you doing in the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: Medina house, but it would be more like they were
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: there to grab her, and then the robbery is just
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: a red herring.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: So the last known sighting from the eyewitness reports, I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: believe was just prior to one.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 7: Pm, unless you count the woman.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, I'm sorry with her dog with her dog,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: with her dog.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: So the dog runs off and gets grabbed by a neighbor, right,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: and neighbor puts it in the backyard.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: Yep, Okay, So what I mean just that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: It's it's like, well, yeah, but as you heard from
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Gary Goes, the state never tried to provide an nexus
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: point from when Scott allegedly kidnapped his wife and then
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: left the dog behind on the leash, And they never
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: even argued that.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 6: Right, And as Julia pointed out, if you were given
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: doctor's note to not take a walk, it doesn't mean
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: that you're not going to.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's concrete proof of everything.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she had a few different people coroborate that story,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: a yoga teacher, her mother, But I fucking know, I've
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: been around two pregnant women.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 7: I know how stir crazy they get.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she's like, fuck it,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: I'm feeling good today. It's Christmas Eve, it's holiday cheer.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: I'm taking a fucking walk today. I'm gonna take it easy.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: I'm just walking Mackenzie down to the park and she's
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: seen by twenty four fucking people.
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  Speaker 3: So, in regards to this reporting, a real time reporting
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: back in the case unfolded of the timeline of events.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: So December thirtieth, less than a week after her, Lacey
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: goes massing, Modesta detectives raced over to investigate, and intriguing lead,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: a fresh name massage therapist named Amber Fry revealed that
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: she'd been dating Scott Peterson forever a month. So they've
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: always played these games of how they learned.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: About that massage therapist. Were talking about that horror network.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: Excuse me, rating network? Yeah, and uh, what do we
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: look at? Why was why were all these women going
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: to Epstein? They were giving it. The high school girls
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: were giving two hundred dollars handies.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: I think it's important to note this statement by that detective.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: Former Detective Bueller noted her recall was fantastic. It was
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: almost like it was a script from a Hallmark TV
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: show or something whose dual I recalled every detail of
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: their romantic dates.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: Come on, Buehler, who's builder? Did he come up more
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: than like, I know, I don't recognize that.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: Naw, he was.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: He's a guy that's like actually saying real shit and
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: he didn't really get covered in the.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: True crime presentation. Well there you go, because I've not
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: heard that name come up.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Then they get hurt of record phone calls and they
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: do this massive press conference on the twenty fourth, Right,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot of like if you're going
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: to build up of uh, you know, if you're doing
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: a fictional narrative, you want you know, you have the storyline,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: you got to build up the suspense, right.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 7: And it's a script if you ask Bueller.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Well, Bler just told you Serias from Hallmark. It was
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: a Hallmark script.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: And it basically is that quality of production.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: So then April thirteenth and fourteenth is when the bodies
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: appear up, and again they don't go over the forensic
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: evidence where indicates these they decompositions were different, you know
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: what I mean, And that is we're to believe the
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: later DNA evidists. They claimed that confirming the torso was Lacey's.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: No head though no head, no internal organs other than
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: the us legs, that uterus did not wonder it stayed
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: home even though all the other organs left.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, oh, dude, you remember this the jurors.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: They even made a show out of the jurors.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: She wrote this motherfucker seventeen letters.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: She was one of the reasons that they want to
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: do appeal because she had some domestic violence issues, and
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: she had she was pregnant when she was being knocked around,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: and she left that out of the initial jury deliberate.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: What is it when they sort it through him, she
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: would have been dismissed in a fucking second. And then
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: she writes this guy letters. He wrote back eighteen times.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: I'd like to see those.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I've been told he's very active
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: as a pen pal in prison.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: Especially some fucking redheaded little starlet trying to get.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: Fair out of it.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, there you go again. The guy doesn't seem brilliant, right,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: He's obviously he's got some you know, situations going on.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: So let's assume this. Let's if we can bring this
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: in for landing here not Bill Colby and Juliet cosmic Peach.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: I appreciate your times in these conversations on our Swamp casts,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: and we kind of were kind of the some of
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: the sailing characteristics of the not case against Scott Peters
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: and some of the bigger questions that remained. Let's assume
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: it was a real event. Now, let me just throw
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: this one at you on my closing statements on these things.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Sims real event, the scene's actually happened. She actually did die,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: was a real person. There was two other incidents that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: fit the exact mold of her for the story lines
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: we've kind of painted, for getting kidnapped and marked by
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: some sort of network of situations, right, and maybe even
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: a ritual human sacrifice at different times with a baby.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Even in fact that scene would play into this as well.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Perhaps So there was two other women and one was
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: named Lords of Vilia. She was reported she was a
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: modesto lady, reported to have she was eight eight eight
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: eight months eight and I haven't months pregnant. She reported
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: to have been stalked by two men in a van
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: right around that same time.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: So go ahead, no, go ahead, So you think it
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: could have been like a serial killer team.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're a death cult shopping for babies and whatnot,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: and polkesheads a lop off. I mean, there you go.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Is that your final conclusion on it?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: Well, folks can check out that lady's tail. I did
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: see this one thing on this years ago. On this case.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen the new stuff, but that lady's tail
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: was depicted here in a previous TV murder of Lacy Peterson,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: so twenty seventeen, So you have that one, right, and
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: then you have the case also of Evelyn Hernandez. So
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: her body comes up ashore not far from her Lacey's
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: and Connor is dead, and I think about four.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Months later, four months later.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: A pregnant woman had vanished days before giving birth. Inside
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: case of Evelyn Hernandez. The other Lacy Peterson.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did not know about this.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, apparently there's a new docu series here. Man
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: Murder Has Two Faces began May sixth of this year
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: on Hulu. The similarities between the killings of Hernandez and Peterson.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think they ever found her son. I do
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: think they recovered her body though, But look, that's part
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: of the system, I think, because again one of the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Cameron points out, I think, even if Ed's not the
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: only guy doing it, part of this network, of this
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: death cult. Like AD's friend Otis Tool would describe, right,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: they knew each other. That is, you got you gotta
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: bring closure to the event. That way, there's no in
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: searching for shit. So you give them the Patsy, you
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: give them the body, you give them a convenient storyline,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: you give them a great person to hate. It is
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: an easy thing for folks to just accept.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm reading a little bit about this Hernandez, this
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Look on July twenty fourth, two thousand and two, hernandez
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: body was found in San Francisco Bay, missing its head
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: in several less.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Just like John Cameron says, this is also Ed. And
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: again I would agree it's the network and ads in
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: charge of it, but they may not just be d directly.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 7: It's Lackey's.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: So we've established a pattern behavior across decades, both of
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: geography and time. Here tonight with appreciate the conversation with
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: you all. Always enjoy it. Real barn Burner, I didn't
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: declart it first, but I didn't have any doubt it's
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: real barnburner. But you know, what else are we describinging
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: if it's not a network of what that what Ostol
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: will describe as a hand of death, which I claim
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: his pal at Edwards was in charge of.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: As my closing statements, I think this could either be
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: all theater or if Scott, If Scott didn't do it,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: he knew from jump.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: That suspending disbelief of this show thing, you really still
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: think he may have done it.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: He was involved in some way, He had.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: To have been, not in some way as though he
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: was actually involved in her murder, or he knew it
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: was going down, going.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: He knew it was going down, he knew the details,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: you know what happened.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: No, there's evidence of that. I know. It's great point.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: That's a great point. There's evidence that again across the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: spectrum of space and time. Here Jay se Bring knew
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: he was about to get murdered before he got murdered.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: So and in fact, somebody cut the phone lines at
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: his the electrical lines at his house that they thought
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: they cut the power of his house in the phone
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: lines the night before, like they did to take Plantsky
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: house the next night. When he got murdered, but they
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: cut the cable lines. He had cable TV at a
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: time when no one else did.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: I didn't even know that was a thing in the
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: late sixties.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: I didn't you know what when you were top of
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: this network dealing with the drugs through his hair salon,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: his international hair salon, j Cbri International, which upon his
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: death was in fact taken over by the Processed Church's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: own member and attorney, John Markham the Second, his cousin
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: is still today the in charge and owns Sebrie International
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: Hair hair salon stuff the hairslon of the stars in
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: their and their products and their long standing drug distribution.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: It seems so that's the holy un Markham family processed
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: situation now. But yeah, he Seabrie knew was getting he
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: was the heat was on and he did it. What
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: something was up?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's let's let me not say if
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: let's just say Scott wasn't the one who actually did it.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: But you're still thinking that's a possibility.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, he could have helped. He could have said, hey,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: I think she's gonna walk the dog today.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: I kind of like, I kind of like JJ's take
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: that she was maybe in the network as well as him,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: and I think that never has entered my mind. But
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: as soon as you said it, yeah.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Well that's exactly what you when you started saying Gonral,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: that's ammediately came to my brain.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: By the way, as some of my closing arguments.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: I just there a piece of the ship, right, both
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: her and her and Affleck are pieces of ship in
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: that film.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: I just looked up on the interwebs here the author
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: of that book that was adapted into the Fincher film
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: flat out said this is based on the Scott Peterson thing.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: Boom boom boom. I like your rats, sir. That's good.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: That's a good ship. I didn't consider that. I like
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: it though, so I but that's how much I liked it.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: Well, I just I always look at these like I do.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: Think Jack and Thecholson did create Ted Bundy it att.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and I do what call necessary film reviews
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: every Wednesday, sir, and it did even cross my brain hole.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: So I like your style.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: Well i'll show I'll send you this clip that Julia
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: pulled up where he's being interviewed in Colorado. I think
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: that's Jack Nicholson representing the Ted Bundying character. There was
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 6: lots of people who did, and I think Nicholson was
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: one of them. And dude, I'm not convinced that Ben
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 6: Affleck wasn't in fucking prosthetics to play Scott Peterson.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: Even I'm gonna need to see that link, sir. I'm
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: also gonna need to join you all for another conversation
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: on these topics. Really, I enjoyed the conversation. I appreciate
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: your ast time.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, thanks that for doing this. This was, you know,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: better than I expected it to be. I expected it
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: to be pread but barn Burner, like you.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: Said, guaranteed, sir. No bombs here, no bombs here? All right, Well,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: any closing statements for we call her in here?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 7: I think that I've said my piece.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: Conspiracy, playtime, cosmic, peach, anything, anything fantastic coming up besides
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: your current fantastic stuff. I need to checkout about your
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: mental health series.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Well it's a it's a three part series and the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: last episode's going to be coming out soon. But just
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: so you know, I learned one thing from the the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson case, and the number one cause of death
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: for pregnant women is murder. So if something happens to
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: me Kolby did it, Yike.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: Noted for having I do make soap with sodium hydroxide.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: Not it's not androgyen this it has a gender.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: Uh huh, now that's awesome. Again, We'll have to convene
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: on these matters in the future. And Operation GCD live
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: every Sunday's, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Friday, sometimes on Saturdays because
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: I get sick on Thursdays like tonight. So I'm gonna
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: go do that next. But I i'd look forward to
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: our next conversations and if baby Hank arrives in the future,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: your uh, congratulations and before I talk to you next, congratulations,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm giving you pre congratulations and uh.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: There's a very good chance that the next time you
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 7: talk to us.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: I assumed as much. Yeah, I assumed as much. So
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: and I know I've been through those endeavors of having
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: a newborn. So good luck, best of luck in that
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a lot of sleepless nights, I'm sure.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: So some point in the future when you're all or
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: back to having, you know, some time to podcast here.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: But I look forward to our future conversations whenever that
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: does occur. Post Thank your congratulations. That's that's awesome stuff.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Yes, ma'am. All right, well is that it.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: We'll catch you next time, all right.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: I saw you so sir, whom you'll take me up
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: in your arms, Too late to beg you or cancel it,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: though I know it must be the killing time. Unwillingly mind.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Face up against
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: To war you through the fig