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GUILTY: Dentist 'Sleepovers' With Beauty Queen Ends in Murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are really afraid of going to the dentists. They
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  Speaker 1: don't like the dentist. Many people dislike the dentists even
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  Speaker 1: more than they do the doctor. They'd rather have a
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  Speaker 1: physical exam than a dental exam. I'm not sure the
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  Speaker 1: psychological reasons for that, but after you hear this, you
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  Speaker 1: may agree. An upstanding dentist named James Ryan just convicted
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  Speaker 1: of killing his girlfriend by plying her with anesthetics. What
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on series XM
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  Speaker 1: one eleven. That's right, a Marilyn dentist guilty of murdering
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend after he owed her on anesthetics delivered by
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  Speaker 1: an ivy station he rigged up in their own home.
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  Speaker 1: It took a jury less than three hours to deliberate
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  Speaker 1: and then convict doctor James Ryan of one count of
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  Speaker 1: second degree depraved heart murder and one count involuntary manslaughter
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  Speaker 1: and the death of a gorgeous young girl, twenty five
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  Speaker 1: year old Sarah Harris. What is this fifty year old
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  Speaker 1: Dennis doing with a twenty five year old girl? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: question one. But what happened in this case?
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  Speaker 2: It's so bizarre. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: First responders rushed to the thirteen thousand block of Godwit
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  Speaker 3: Street in Clarksburg after reports of an overdose. It's the
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  Speaker 3: home of oral surgeon doctor James Michael Ryan. Inside, paramedics
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  Speaker 3: find Sarah Harris, Ryan's girlfriend, unresponsive. Ryan says Harris was
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  Speaker 3: okay when he went to bed at ten thirty pm,
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  Speaker 3: but when he came down the next morning, Harris was
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  Speaker 3: unresponsive on the couch. Harris was pronounced dead.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I've got so many questions right there based on
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  Speaker 1: everything I'm hearing about the oral surgeon, doctor James Michael Ryan. Now,
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  Speaker 1: before I introduce everybody to doctor William Moroney, chief medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner joining us out of Bay County, Michigan, author of
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  Speaker 1: American Narcian, you can find me at Recovery PATHWAYSLLC dot com.
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  Speaker 1: And Maroney puts his money as time as effort where
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  Speaker 1: his mouth is he actually created and travels with a
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  Speaker 1: rolling medical lab to help stop overdoses.
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  Speaker 2: That's why he is so important.
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  Speaker 1: Not that the rest of our guests are not important,
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  Speaker 1: but let me just ask you this very basic question
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  Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, before I get into the whole overdose issue.
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  Speaker 1: An oral surgeon does that mean a dentist with another
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  Speaker 1: degree is once an oral surgeon?
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  Speaker 2: Is that a medical doctor?
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  Speaker 4: An oral surgeon begins as a dentist and then gets
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  Speaker 4: training to put people under anesthesia to a ruin really
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  Speaker 4: difficult teeth. Ordinarily in a dentist office, you just get
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  Speaker 4: a number, you get light again, you get procaine, and
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  Speaker 4: then they yank tooth out. An oral surgeon gets impacted teeth,
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  Speaker 4: broken teeth, and they do the implants where they you know,
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  Speaker 4: they put the little metal screw in and that takes anesthesia.
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  Speaker 4: You cannot work on somebody's mouth like that, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say people get propofol at the dentist office.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they can, they can put you in a surgical
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  Speaker 4: suite once you get that level.
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  Speaker 2: You mean an oral surgeon or just a dentist.
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  Speaker 4: Never, never, a regular dentist would never give you propofol
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  Speaker 4: because the law requires you monitor her oxygen and EKG.
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  Speaker 4: The regular dentist doesn't do that. He just numbs up
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  Speaker 4: your guns and gums and pulled.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know I've got a bad feeling, Ken Bell.
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  Speaker 2: Can you just take off your criminal defense out just
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  Speaker 2: one moment.
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  Speaker 1: I know I would just not go into a dentist
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  Speaker 1: office and go under anesthesia or I mean, I'd have
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  Speaker 1: to think long and hard before I walk into anything
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  Speaker 1: but a hospital and get totally put under.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think these are private discussions between a medical
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  Speaker 5: practitioner and their patient, and you know, we have to
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  Speaker 5: give some latitude to the judgment of medical professionals. You
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  Speaker 5: know they did swear the hippocratics.
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  Speaker 1: No what Now I know why you're such a great
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney because you just, you know, slipped right out
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  Speaker 1: of that one. Okay, guys, we are talking about a
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  Speaker 1: young woman. Twenty five year old Sarah Harris is dead.
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  Speaker 1: She's dead. So let me go to Lizzie Watts, Ammy
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  Speaker 1: award winning reporter with Fox five in DC her podcast
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  Speaker 1: Siege on Democracy. Lindsey, thanks for being with us. Let
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  Speaker 1: me understand this. Just let's start with the cops and
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  Speaker 1: the EMTs arriving at the scene at the home of
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  Speaker 1: James Ryan, Doctor James Ryan, who says he goes to
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  Speaker 1: bed at ten thirty at night with the girlfriend downstairs
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  Speaker 1: and wakes up the next morning, comes downstairs and she
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  Speaker 1: is unresponsive on the couch.
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  Speaker 6: Right right, And they found all kinds of paraphernalia and
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  Speaker 6: drug that's have seen, hypodermic needles, they found propofol, they
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  Speaker 6: found ketamine, they found other drugs and want to pull
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  Speaker 6: these were not little vile these were large containers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I want to circle back to what you just said.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay wants about the large containers. Hey, hold that thought
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  Speaker 1: a moment, Doctor William Roney.
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  Speaker 2: Ketamine.
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  Speaker 4: Ketamine is in a classification called a sedative hypnotic, and
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  Speaker 4: there is almost there's absolutely no indication to have IV
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  Speaker 4: ketamine in your house. That is a hospital drug. That
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  Speaker 4: is it is unethical. There's no medical diagnosis that requires that.
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  Speaker 4: That's dangerous, dangerous stuff. It is anesthesia at the doses
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  Speaker 4: given for IV doses, it has no purpose in anybody's home.
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  Speaker 4: Propofol we could say about the same thing. But that's
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  Speaker 4: how Michael Jackson died. He was getting ivy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, why would you have something like ketamine or propofol
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  Speaker 1: in your home.
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  Speaker 4: Well, mister Ryan appears to have had a chemically hijacked
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  Speaker 4: sex slave. He called her a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you just put it out there, didn't you chemically
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  Speaker 2: hijack sex life.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just put that up in my head because
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  Speaker 1: now you've said it, it's up here.
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  Speaker 4: It's never going away.
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  Speaker 1: Hijack sex life. Thanks doctor Moroney for just putting that
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  Speaker 1: in my head. That's something I can think about tonight,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I haven't even introduced the panel. Ken Bealcan,
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  Speaker 1: high profile lawyer, a criminal defense attorney joining us. You
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  Speaker 1: can find him at Belkanlaw dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at
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  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor William Maroney, who I've
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  Speaker 1: already introduced, Robert Crispin, ivate investigator at Crispin Special Investigations.
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  Speaker 1: You can find them at Crispininvestigations dot com. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, while I've got you also with me, Lindsay Watts,
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  Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning reporter with Fox five d c her
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  Speaker 1: hit podcast Siege on Democracy. You can find her as well.
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  Speaker 1: Crispin What about it? They show up at a doctor
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  Speaker 1: he's a doctor of oral uh, he's an oral surgeon.
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  Speaker 1: But they come in it looks like a crack house.
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  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, First of all, Chrispin, have you ever
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  Speaker 1: been in a crack house?
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  Speaker 7: I've been in many, many, many many.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not proud to say that, but crack
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  Speaker 1: houses are unlike anything you've ever seen. The first one
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  Speaker 1: I went into, I thought I was gonna get shot,
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  Speaker 1: but they would not answer the front door when they
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  Speaker 1: saw me and my investigator. We had to sneak around.
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  Speaker 1: At about one am. By this point, I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to find a witness. Went around to the back door.
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  Speaker 1: That's before I had children, had no life at all,
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  Speaker 1: it was all about getting the bad eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Went to the back door and just walked in the place.
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  Speaker 1: There was a burned out sofa upside down, somebody thrown
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  Speaker 1: on the floor, there's no other front nature, there are
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of people milling around. They were all high
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  Speaker 1: on something, and there.
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  Speaker 2: Were drugs, drugs, drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Hypodermic needles, just anything. Everything was in that room. People
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  Speaker 1: you know, burning up, cry. Yeah, just it was horrible.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me.
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  Speaker 1: What you make of the scene that Lindsey Watts has described.
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  Speaker 7: So you would think, as you describe, a doctor would
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  Speaker 7: have a nice house, beautiful inside.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you would think of like security, a gate,
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, an automated gate. And I imagine this
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  Speaker 1: beautiful home that an interior decorator is done where you
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  Speaker 1: look out the back patio, uh, you know, glass doors
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  Speaker 1: to like maybe an infinity pool. Is that what you
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  Speaker 1: would think, Jack, you something just beautiful?
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  Speaker 2: But instead it's.
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  Speaker 7: A drug den. It's a class a drug den. And
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  Speaker 7: what I mean by a drug den is clearly people
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  Speaker 7: go to these houses to get high, and they get
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  Speaker 7: high and they stay for a little while and then
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  Speaker 7: they leave. This yere was their residence and there was
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  Speaker 7: also a drug den that they had set up, that
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  Speaker 7: he had set up.
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  Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, the facts get more
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  Speaker 1: and more twisted. But right now the families are reeling.
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  Speaker 1: The families are either reeling or rejoicing after doctor James Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: a well respected Marilyn Dennist, is convicted of murdering his
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  Speaker 1: twenty five year old girlfriend o dating her on anni'stics.
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  Speaker 1: He's also found guilty of possession with intent to distribute medazzelam,
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  Speaker 1: medazlam and ketamine and diazepam. They're all very very powerful sedatives. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutor, Jennifer Harrison, told the jury that especially as
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  Speaker 1: a trained professional, a doctor. Ryan knew the risks associated
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  Speaker 1: with dangerous, deadly drugs, yet he kept feeding them to
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend as he watched her deteriorate, deteriorate before his
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  Speaker 1: very eyes, every time he gave her those drugs, whether
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  Speaker 1: he administered them himself or instructed her on how to
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  Speaker 1: administer them to herself, A little bit of Sarah died.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Sarah Wade just eighty three pounds when she
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  Speaker 1: was found dead in Ryan in Clarksburg. The facts are
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  Speaker 1: so twisted. So Lindsey Watts joining me Fox five day,
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  Speaker 1: see tell me again, the cops come.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the amts get their first, the ambulance. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure. Tell me what happened exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they arrived to this house. They're called for the overdose.
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  Speaker 6: They're finding all of these drugs an ivy poll in
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  Speaker 6: the home as well. And what have heard from sources
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  Speaker 6: is these aren't again just little vials of drugs. These
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  Speaker 6: were like you would find at a pharmacy. He was
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  Speaker 6: using his position as an oral surgeon to get massive
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  Speaker 6: amounts of these drugs that have no business in a home.
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  Speaker 6: And according to the court documents, this was something that
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  Speaker 6: was playing out over months that they were together, she
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  Speaker 6: came into his office to get her wisdom teeth removed.
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  Speaker 6: He offers her a job. A few months later they're dating.
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  Speaker 6: She eventually moves into his home and through the text
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  Speaker 6: messages you see that she developed a serious addiction that
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  Speaker 6: prosecutors say he said by giving her these drugs overtime.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I wonder where she got all that.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder where this woman, she's just twenty five years old.
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  Speaker 1: How did she turn from this beautiful, young, vibrant girl
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  Speaker 1: to a pale, bruised up, dope addic after she starts
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  Speaker 1: dating doctor James Ryan or As. Thanks again, Maroney for
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  Speaker 1: putting this in my head. What did he say, A chimicalley,
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  Speaker 1: What did you.
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  Speaker 4: Say, chemically kidnapped sexly?
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  Speaker 2: A chimically indece second was a predator? Yeah, he was
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  Speaker 2: a predator. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 8: On January twenty sixth, twenty twenty two, Montgomery County Police
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  Speaker 8: in Montgomery County Fire Rescue Service responded to an address
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  Speaker 8: in the thirteen to nine hundred block of Godwitch Street, Clarksburg,
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  Speaker 8: Montgomery County, Maryland, for the report of an overdose. Sarah Harris,
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  Speaker 8: twenty five year old female was discovered to cease in
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  Speaker 8: the residents. An autopsy later done at the office of
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  Speaker 8: the Chief Medical Examiner's Office in Maryland would later determine
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  Speaker 8: the cause of harris death was ketamine and diazepam intoxication,
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  Speaker 8: and the manner of death at that time was undetermined.
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  Speaker 8: Harris's boyfriend, doctor James Michael Ryan, was also at the
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  Speaker 8: residence that he shared with Harris. Doctor Ryan is an
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  Speaker 8: oral surgeon with a practice in Germantown.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 8: Sarah Harris, twenty five year old female, was discovered to
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  Speaker 8: cease them the residents. An autopsy later done at the
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  Speaker 8: office of the Chief Medical Examiner's Office in Maryland would
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  Speaker 8: later determine the cause of Harris's death was ketamine and
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  Speaker 8: diazepam intoxication, and the manner of death at that time
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  Speaker 8: was undetermined. Harris's boyfriend, doctor James Michael Ryan, was also
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  Speaker 8: with the residents that he shared with Harris. Doctor Ryan
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  Speaker 8: is an oral surgeon with the practice in Germantown.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing the Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus Jones speaking.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't quite believe Marony first time. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't believe him I never agree with him usually, but
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  Speaker 1: I looks up.
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  Speaker 2: Kennemine and it is He's right.
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  Speaker 1: The medication used for induction and maintenance of anesthesia inducing
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  Speaker 1: dissociative anesty in a trance like state, providing pay relate
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  Speaker 1: sedation and amnesia. So that is typically used than doctor
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  Speaker 1: Moroney in surgery.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you have a really difficult tooth coming out,
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to remember what was going on, so
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  Speaker 4: it knocks you out. I don't know, but nobody has
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  Speaker 4: ketamine in their home. We have three hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 4: million Americans. Nobody has ketamine IVY in their home for
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  Speaker 4: this purpose. He's a predator. He doped her up and
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  Speaker 4: kept her for months and months and months.
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  Speaker 2: You know, doctor Moroney.
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  Speaker 7: That's a crime. And I want to interject.
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  Speaker 6: Police are saying that he gave it to her while
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  Speaker 6: she was sleeping at one point, that he was injecting
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  Speaker 6: it into her allegedly while she was asleep.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me clear something up, doctor Moroney. You are,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm not wrong, a medical doctor.
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  Speaker 1: When did you go to law school and start pronouncing
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  Speaker 1: the correct charges? And when did that happen?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I do write death certificate.
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  Speaker 2: Never never, okay, so never I.
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  Speaker 5: Do write death certificate?
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  Speaker 4: Yuh I.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to you more from Montgomery County Police
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  Speaker 1: Chief Marcus john.
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  Speaker 8: Also located in the residence at the time were various
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  Speaker 8: bottles of propofol, meat as long ketamine, and diazepam. Numerous
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  Speaker 8: hypodermic needles, syringes, and tourniquets were discovered nearby as well.
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  Speaker 8: These bottles are not the type of medication that would
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  Speaker 8: normally be dispensed from a pharmacy and are usually reserved
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  Speaker 8: for clinical medical settings. Detectives begin an investigation into the
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  Speaker 8: facts of circumstances surrounding the death.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Sarah is found dead in the home
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  Speaker 1: of this oral surgeon that she began dating after having
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  Speaker 1: her wisdom.
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  Speaker 2: Teeth removed, But how did it get to this point?
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our forensic crime online.
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Jane Harris and doctor James Michael Ryan meet at
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  Speaker 3: his dental practice in the fall of twenty twenty. Ryan
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  Speaker 3: is an oral surgeon and Harris is there for a procedure.
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  Speaker 3: During the appointment, Harris mentions she has experience working in
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  Speaker 3: a dental office. Not long after, Ryan contacts Harris about
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  Speaker 3: a job which Harris accepts. The couple's relationship grows outside
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  Speaker 3: the office, Harris and doctor Ryan begin dating, and Harris
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  Speaker 3: begins spending significant time at Ryan's home. During the summer
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  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one, Harris moves in permanently.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently it progressed in more ways than romantically. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to the Montgomery County Police Chief.
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  Speaker 8: Investigators learned that family members notice that Harris Harris's physical
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  Speaker 8: appearance was changing over time and that she did not
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  Speaker 8: look healthy.
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  Speaker 6: On two different.
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  Speaker 8: Occasions, Harris was discovered in their residence surrounded by empty
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  Speaker 8: medicine bottles, similar to what was discovered at the death seat.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Lindsey Watts joining us Fox five DC, explain to
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  Speaker 1: me what her family began noticing she certainly lost her
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  Speaker 1: bloom of youth and you know what else? Also, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: especially you, doctor Angie Arnold, I want you to go online.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the address Godwick Street in Clarksburg, Maryland.
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  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful home.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody's driving by this home would have no idea that
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  Speaker 1: it's a drug den, as doctor Mroney says, a chemically
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  Speaker 1: induced sex slave inside. It's a classical to door home.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful lawn, beautifully kept. The interior is gorgeous. How could
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  Speaker 1: a well respected Maryland doctor feed his twenty five year
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  Speaker 1: old girlfriend sedatives to have control over her mind, her soul,
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  Speaker 1: her body until she wastes a weight to just eighty
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  Speaker 1: three pounds and dies. Well, Doctor Ryan, I hope he's
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  Speaker 1: been stripped of that doctor title. Told police that she
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  Speaker 1: seemed quote okay when you went to bed the night before.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't notice she just weighed eighty three pounds and
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  Speaker 2: was out of it.
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  Speaker 1: But the next morning he discovered his girlfriend quote unresponsive
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  Speaker 1: on the couch with used hypodermic needles and vials of
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  Speaker 1: controlled substances next to her. Wow, where does she get those?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor?
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  Speaker 1: An autopsy found she died as a result of ketamine
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  Speaker 1: and azipam intoxication. It just gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay wants back to you.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay, what did the family began noticing about Sarah?
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  Speaker 2: Their sister, their daughter, Sarah Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: It's been heartbreaking talking to her mother. She sent me
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  Speaker 6: photos of her daughter from just around the time or
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  Speaker 6: just before she met the doctor. She was a beauty queen.
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  Speaker 6: She was twenty twenty, Miss Maryland, petite, so I have
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  Speaker 6: a picture of her with her sash and her crown.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa wait, wait, what tell me that again?
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  Speaker 6: She was twenty twenty, miss Maryland petite, and so I
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  Speaker 6: had this photo of her with her dress and with
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  Speaker 6: her sash and with her crown, other photos where she
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  Speaker 6: looks just gorgeous, a vibrant, healthy girl. And her mother
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  Speaker 6: talked about just how beautiful her daughter was, and she
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  Speaker 6: wasted away as she became more and more addicted. You know,
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  Speaker 6: the family recognized there was a problem, and you have
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  Speaker 6: to imagine how helpless they felt because they saw that
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  Speaker 6: she was surrounded by these drugs at her new home.
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  Speaker 6: They saw the marks on her arm. I know, her
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  Speaker 6: sister actually worked at the practice along with her, so
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  Speaker 6: you have to imagine that she really had a good
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  Speaker 6: sense of possibly what was happening and what was really
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Something that stood out to me is it was the
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: sister after Sarah overdosed, who went into her social media accounts,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: got into her phone and supplied police with all of
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: these text messages between Sarah and the doctor that really
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: set up this case for them. I mean, that is
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: a sister who was determined to get justice, and that
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: really gave me a lot of emotion reading that about
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: what she did to make sure that this case moved forward,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: and all of that got into the hand of police.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So you're understanding, Lindsay Watts, what did the text messages say.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: There are a host of messages that spell out that
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: this doctor is buying these drugs. They're having conversations while
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: he is at work and she is at home. She's
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: asking for certain drugs. He is telling her what he's
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: going to bring to her. She tells him, Hey, honey,
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: we're out of syringes, you gauys, I'll bring them home.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: He's telling her about how she's feeling, that she's feeling dehydrated,
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: that she's feeling losing, very extensive conversations about the drug
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: use that also indicate that he was using himself.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Well, Lindsey Watts is right. Take a listen to the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: police chief.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: And at least one instance, she was discovered in an
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: altered state and had arms that were covered in needle
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: marks and ruises. Investigators who were able to obtain copies
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: of text messages and other communications between doctor Ryan and Harris,
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: and these communications, both Harris and doctor Ryan have frank
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: and explicit conversations with which to pick Harris asking doctor.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Ryan to obtain and or.
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: Procure different drugs from the practice. Doctor Ryan repeatedly tells
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Harris that he is bringing her drugs and structs her
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: how to use the drugs and where she can find
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: drugs in their residence.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: To doctor Angie Arnold joining as psychiatrist out of the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, her dependency on him for drugs then no bounce.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: She could not break out of it. Her family tried
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to help her. They saw all the bruising, they saw
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: all the track coll Nancy.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: The help that she would need at that point would
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: be to be detox from all of these things. He
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: was probably keeping her in some sort of altered state mentally,
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: and all she could think about at this point was
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: where she was a drug addict. It sounded like he
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: created a drug addict. So what drug addicts did. They're
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: waiting for their next sticks all the time, They're not
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: thinking about going home. And this was way too far gone.
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: She needed a good detox place. She needed to be
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: in the hospital, but he was going to it sounds
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: like he was going to make sure that none of that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Happened for her.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because her family intervention. She needed somebody to go
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: in family intervene, bring the sheriff through the intervention. She
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: needed the detox that she needed to be forcefully taken away.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: She could not make those decisions. She was chemically kidnapped.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: She was hijacked and at that point she didn't know
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: what she was doing, but he did, and that that
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: is kidnapping. I'm sorry I didn't go to law school.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Ken Falcon criminal defense attorney joining us at Belkinlaw dot com.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Is there any reason this oral sergeant should not be
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: charged with murder?
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because you know he didn't murder her. She took
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: the drugs that killed herself. So I think really he
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: injected her.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He was the one injecting her.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: But she was for it, all right. I understand he
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: might have made a decision that was wrong in a
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: medical context. But you know, all the time you hear
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: on these pharmaceutical commercials, ask your doctor about this, ask
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: your doctor about that. Well, maybe she was asking her
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: doctor about propofol anketemy.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: He's not a doctor.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: He's an oral surgeon, very likely, very likely having sex
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: with her, as Maroney has described.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Here's the other thing it is, it's a lot of speculation.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: We're going from depraved heart murder, you know, basically to
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: a chemically induced kidnapped sex slave. I mean, that's a
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: bit of a stretch.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: It makes Clesie.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Watts joining us on Fox five. What do we know? Well,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: he did the family try to help her?
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: It does look like the family wanted to help. They
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: knew what was going on, They had at least some knowledge.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Those text messages indicate that she had overdosed in the past,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: not too long before she ultimately died, and so there
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: was a lot going on.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace finally Justice. A beautiful young
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: girl waists down to eighty three pounds as her much
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: older boyfriend, Dr Ryan feeds her day and night a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: cocktail of powerful drugs, even using an ivy drip.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: A surgeon of his home turned.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Up propofol, ketamine, diazepam, dazzle am, hypodermic needles, syringes, a tourniquet.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Ough.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: This woman was living in.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: A drug hail at just age twenty five. Oh, I'm
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: looking at a picture of him kissing her. It's totally creepy.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: In fact, the pair first met when she came to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: doctor Ryan as a patient. Do you have her wisdom
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: teeth removed. I'm looking at a picture of her. She
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was a contestant in Miss Maryland Petit. She's absolutely gorgeous,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and her family says she was gorgeous on the inside
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and the outside too. She's a tiny, petite woman and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: beautiful and young. I mean, have you looked her up
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: as Miss Maryland Petit?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Gorgeous?
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: You know why you guys were talking about I was
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: trying to do some quick research. But you know, in
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: her being such a petite girl, you know, forget about
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: getting these drugs illegally. She needs to be even monitored,
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: even in a medical controlled setting because she's soap petite
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: on the on how much drugs going on board her body?
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: So you know, this doctor who gave her all this
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: medicine is just given her free reigns to do this
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: on her own at home. It's beyond me, Jackie.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Have you seen her as Miss Marilyn Petite?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And now I see well, I mean to you, Maroni,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney. You see her in her pageant dress
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and her sash and her crown. She's a classic beauty.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, the angles in her face. I mean, I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: don't think you could draw them that beautifully. She's stunning,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and then her family says she had wasted away. Her
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: arms were covered in bruises and track marks. Just I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw track marks on a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: junkie and it was like the same you have that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: gut reaction. I almost recoiled, but I didn't want to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: hurt the guy's feelings.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: He was a witness in a case. You know, when
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you suddenly see a snake, it just you've shot. You
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: want to recoil, just instinctively.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: When I saw those track marks for the first time,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it just it's horrible looking, doctor Moroney.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: It's a small bruise. It's a bleeding because you entered
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a vein or an artery, and it's a bruise on
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: the arm and it's a dark spot and then they
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: smooth up. But on the inside of the artery there
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: a scar tissue. And the more track marks you get,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: the harder it is to get an injection to work
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: there because they swell up. It's as big as a
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: mosquito bite, but it's a it's a clear sign. It's
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: what we call patho mnemonic for IVY drug use. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: see track marks and people's jugular veins in their necks
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: because they've blown all the veins in their arms. When
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: somebody's that bad, they need to be removed from their environment.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: And he's ethically not supposed to be treating spouse's girlfriends
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: or family. As a medical practitioner, we're never supposed to
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: treat spouse's girlfriends or family. You're supposed to send them away. No, no,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: this it's his treatment. And you're not supposed to date
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: patients and you're not supposed to.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: That doesn't emitted murder.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, is that bell can jumping in.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, we're throwing a lot of allegations.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Just saying I don't think the appellate course will take
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: your just saying, because he has been charged with murder,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: not malice murder, which is, oh, I'm going to kill
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Jackie and I'm going to poison her every day for
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the next six months until she kills over.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: No.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Depraved heart is more akin to abandoned or malignant heart.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It's sometimes called. For instance, if I take the minivan
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and I drive through the Cherry Blossom Festival at ninety
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and just mow down a lot of I don't know
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: who they are, and I don't care who they are.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I have a depraved and malignant heart, and I have
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: no concern for human life. So you dope now underweight
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: drug addict, over and over and over and then wow,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: surprised she dies. That is a complete disregard for human life. Balkan,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that's the charge.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: But what about her partners?
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: What about the fact that she could have been on
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: other things that the doctor wasn't aware of.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you're telling me the life of a
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: junkie is somehow less important than the life of who
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: a politician or a TV star.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Well, Latty Justice doesn't agree.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that every life is important. But you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: at some point, does not the quote unquote junkie bear
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: some responsibility here or does it all get heart to
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: the doctor arguing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: That to it, there is no responsibility because she's so
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: far gone. She can't make those decisions. She's got track marks,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: she's got ivy drugs of an industrial nature. You cannot
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: expect that brain to make a rational decision. There is
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: nothing left in her because she's a shell. He created
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: a shell.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I've got an answer, hold on, Maronie, I've got an
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: answer for you. Take ALYSSTA hour cut twelve. Our friend
• 33:31
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• 33:34
  Speaker 10: Here's the sister provided authorities with messages between Ryan and
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: Harris showing Harris asking for different drugs from his practice
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: and Ryan also instructing her on how.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: To take them.
• 33:45
  Speaker 10: The messages also revealed Ryan gave Harris ketamine while she
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: was asleep and Harris overdosed once before she died in
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: late January.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So there you have it in his own text messages.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Am I correct, Lindsay Watson not tell me? We learn
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that he gave her ketamine hospital.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Anesthesia in her sleep. She had no way to say
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: yay or nay.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: That is what police are saying, and yes, that is
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: what the text messages in charging documents indicate. It says,
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: if you wake up, I just went out to change
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: after I gave you ketamine just now.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: This might not have been as clear if police didn't
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: state this in the press conference, that this is something
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: that happened.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. It looks like something
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that happened or didn't happen. The text message is revealed
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he gave me sleep.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Yes exactly.
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: But I just reading this myself reading this text message,
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: it says I went out to change after I gave
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: you ketamine just now, so it's not spelling it out
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: as specifically.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: However, police told us that this is something that happened,
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: that he gave her ketamine while she was sleeping.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: So Ken Belkan criminal defense attorney, joining us. If he
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: gave her a ketamine in her sleep, it's just like
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson who doped Michael Jackson until
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: he died and left. I mean here, he gave her ketamine,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: which is I believe intravenous and left her with Kennymine
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: dripping through her system, just like in Michael Jackson.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: With propofol, impaired memory and forgetfulness. Why would you give
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: that to somebody in their sleep?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: There goes my best law student, doctor William Moroney, medical
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: doctor William Moroni Bellken, he's giving her Kennymine in her sleep.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Well, look, first of all, I don't know if there
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: is a procedure for giving ketamine to someone when they're
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: in their sleep. I know that people are on ketemine
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: therapy and sometimes they may be sleeping.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Therapy. What what are you talking about?
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Well, she is if her doctor is giving it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, Maroney, I need that's hell. Clearly, I'm not
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: getting through to Kendall.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Having industrial ivy anesthesia to a woman at home that
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: you live with is not therapy. That's abuse. She has
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: no insight to stop. And if he's using these drugs,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: he has no insight to stop because he is also hijacked.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: But there's nothing that's ever going to come good from
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: a fifty year old anesthesia oral surgeon dating a twenty
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: year old woman and then doing drugs together.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, hi, hi, hey hey.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you for your medical opinion, not your moral judgment.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You and I may agree that what is this fifty
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: year old man doing with a twenty five year old woman.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That's none of our business. I'm a little more focused
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: on the burner. So Robert Crispin, private investigator at Crispin
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Special Investigations, go about proving a case like this. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: find it really difficult to believe that all on her own,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: she could set up an ivy drip of ketamine to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the point she oweded.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, you know how many families out there
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: wish they had this type of evidence when they walk
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: in and find one of their loved ones dead from
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: an overdose. They just wish they could figure out who
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: gave it to them. This case right here rises and
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: falls on the doctor himself. His own text messages are
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: the epic evidence that are going to sink him. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: even more so is the initial responding officers in that
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: crime scene is going to finish putting the prosecution's touch
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: on how she died, Who supplied her with the evidence,
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: I mean with the drugs.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: And it opened shotcase.
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: If you ask me as an investigator, I will tell
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: you I've had so many families come to me and ask,
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: how can we charge this person? I know they gave
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: him the oxycotton, or they gave.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Them this or that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I'm like, listen, I wish there is more we can do.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Back when I was in law enforcement, I really wish
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: we could. This was handed to law enforcement on a
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: silver platter. The doctor handed them his own evidence through
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: his text message.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You know, doctor Angey Arnold, this case goes so much
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: beyond being a supplier.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: This is a depressed Nancy Burger.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Tell me what the family goes through when they see
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: their loved one wait literally wasting away.
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: Well, I imagine they feel completely hopeless, Nancy, You can feel
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: completely hopeless about a family member if they're not even
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: wasting away, if there's nothing that you can do, that
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: you can seemingly do to help them, because families aren't
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: equipped to really help people out of this. At least
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: they were trying to get to her and get her
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: out of this situation. But Nancy, there is so much
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: wrong in this from the very beginning. The mere fact
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: that this doctor was bringing the stuff to his home,
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: who was counting it?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Who was counting it?
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: It is awsome.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, good question, doctor Moroney.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It's alleged that he illegally obtained the drugs from his practice,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: including medical apparatus like ivy stands, needles, and ivy bags.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Don't medical practices, our dentist practice keep count of the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: medicine and the paraphernalia, and notice when it goes missing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: For him to bring this stuff home and say that
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: it was legal, he had to show prescriptions, he had
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: to show medical needs, he had to show progress notes,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: and he had to have a billing relationship to supply
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: the drugs and the equipment. And you can guarantee that
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: none of those four things are done. This guy's throwing
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: this stuff in the back of HISAUDI or his VMW,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: and he's sneaking it out bringing it home in a
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: relationship that's inappropriate. Is somebody who's chemically.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Kidnapped Investigators of tain Tech's messages where Ryan talked about
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: bringing home IVY polls, sailing solution fluids, and needles to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: be used at an at home drug delivery system. What
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: he knew better than that, respected Marilyn Dennis, doctor James Ryan.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Headed to jail.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: You know what, good reddits Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.