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EPISODE 154 - 'Poppers Pig' · The Padded Cell Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Might you forget about it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, and welcome to episode 154 of the Pattercell podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today I'm here once again with our Kev.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone! Hi Deviants.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's gonna be one of them days.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know it's gonna be one of them days because Kev's got a t-shirt on, which is um Minxy.
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  SPEAKER_00: For those who aren't watching, it says Poppa's Pig with a pepper pig face, and it says anal babe on the t-shirt, and then on one side there's a book plug.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what's on the other side?
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: The bottle of poppers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and the bottle of poppers itself, yeah.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_00: Poppa's pig.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very me, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: When Kev goes on the karaoke or anything, really.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dance floor.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything at all, you just get the poppers out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, 100%.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I was only just talking about poppers before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Me and Jim had poppers for the first time in absolutely ages recently, and my chest hasn't been the same since I'm back on my tissue again because my nose is running.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Shouldn't be doing these sort of things, really.
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  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just a little sniff, do you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: It was like I bet they were strong ones, weren't they?
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  SPEAKER_02: They were, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can't do the weak ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: The little gold things are terrible.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, pure gold.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, none of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nah.
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  SPEAKER_00: A bit of ammo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Roll a bit of ammo.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ammal or Amsterdam, I like Amsterdam.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Amsterdam's good, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, do you like poppers?
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you got any poppers stories you'd like to share?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I've had it in my eye, and we were talking about this before we came on here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not recommended.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um you are back off on your jollies again soon, but it's a work jolly this time.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a work jolly, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's not, it's a jolly because you're away from your desk and you're seeing different things, but yeah, you are still working.
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  SPEAKER_02: Apparently.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are we allowed to say where you're going?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'm going out to Barcelona for two nights, um, going down to Sitges because I've got that weekend off work, so that's my little trip.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm joining a ship in Barcelona, um, ultra luxury, six-star, all-inclusive in a suite, and I'll be on board for four nights, and I'll be just enjoying the product and the destinations, and more importantly, the food and the booze.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this ship has got Versace plates.
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  SPEAKER_02: It has, yeah, Versace plates.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Picasso's hanging in the uh lobby area.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just nuts, it's very, very luxurious, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're real Picasso, they're not printing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's nuts, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you're going on this trip because you need to basically critique it and and talk about you know the actual experience from a passenger's point of view.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: And because of what you do, you all know that he's a cruise agent.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you asked Jim, a cruise director.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jim promoted him overnight.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're like that, quite much of a woodpiece.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cruise director.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, could you imagine me as a cruise director?
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  SPEAKER_00: You would be no, you'd be perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I could just see you scuffing up skipping up and down the promenade with all the guests, get them to do the YMCA and the fineries.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the Macarena.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Macarena.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'd be good as a cruise director.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I suppose I lost a call-in there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I missed a call-in, but um people have said I should be on the stage when I when I especially when I've had a drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: But well, you generally are on the stage when you've had a drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a stage or a dance floor and you're pissed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or if it's not, I just make one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the dance floor when you're pissed, really.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's me.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're looking forward to this trip.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: I am looking forward to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it to be honest with you, I could have done with it maybe in another couple of weeks' time, but it is what it is, isn't it?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just life, isn't it?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's free.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's free.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the thing, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're complaining at school a little bit too soon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, free cruise, Kev.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Free cruise, I'm going.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually get a suite.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've got a whole suite to myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how many people would that normally hold a suite?
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  SPEAKER_00: Two.
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  SPEAKER_00: So is it like a two-person suite?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a two-person suite, but we you walk in, you've got um a bathroom with a full-length bath, a full stand-up shower, his and hers sinks, and it's all marble.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it's big.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then next door to that is a walk-in closet.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: A wardrobe.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, at sea.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you've got your your lounge and bedroom area, which is big, and then you've got a big balcony as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've seen some of the suites on on TV, um, on these like luxurious ships, and you have your personal butler and like a team to make sure every little bit of that suite is perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's nuts the standards, you know, that the that they attain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
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  SPEAKER_00: Unbelievable.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, when you think what people are paying, I mean, to to go in the suite that I'm in for a week um would probably cost about seven to eight thousand per person.
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  unknown: Fucking hell.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just per person to have that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's all inclusive.
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  SPEAKER_02: So drinks, um, Wi-Fi, laundry.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I won't have to do any laundry when I come back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you have your your own sun deck and all that.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can get I have your own like uh area, don't you, for all the other sweet people on the book?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, the ship is all sweet.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's all sweet.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: The ship is all sweet.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's six star, it's all sweet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every um room um for accommodation on board is a suite.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've got probably um probably about the fifth or sixth grade up from the bottom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, but I'm not in the top suite.
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  SPEAKER_02: The top suite covers the whole of the back of the ship.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like huge, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Completely furnished by Ralph Lauren and everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the sort of suite I'm talking about, and I've seen them, you know.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: And oh, they just look out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't have their own deck area, they've basically got their own wraparound balcony at the back.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, but no, they don't have their own deck.
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  SPEAKER_02: But on the big ships, the ones like you go on, yeah, yes, they have their own dedicated area for suite guests.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So on Royal Caribbean, it's quite funny because if you're in a suite, like Kev said, you've got your own like sun, uh sunbathing area, your own bar.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you'll have your own like um little snack bar, snack bar, so very posh stuff, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um restaurant.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's funny because on the sun deck, on like deck 11, 12 on the big ships, the only thing dividing you from the plebs on the other side is like a perspective screen, basically.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so all of us are like that looking through, or all the poshies with the cocktails and the canopies and all that, you know, and loads of room and no kids, and we're just like that nose up against the perspecs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's a bit like on a plane, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: First class is and business class is a curtain.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, well, at least the curtains, like you can't see through it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you get to walk through that, don't you, on the way to the back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, and well, gel that your job takes you on free cruises.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, usually it's one a year, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: That I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It should be good.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not just any L cruise either.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm I'm I'm lucky to have bagged this one, to be honest with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, have a boss time.
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  SPEAKER_00: When are you going?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh when uh I go on Monday next week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I fly out on Saturday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, gel.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, gel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so I made a little bit of a boo-boo.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, we are the curators of chaos.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I don't even know how I did this.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: So when I'm planning episodes, I plan like right ahead.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I write all the dates next to the episodes.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: And for some reason, I put the 15th of October uh down for this date, and that's a week too late.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna give you on this day from the 15th of October because why not?
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I'll probably do for the next episode is do the on this days.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: That should have been for today.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Just to fucking hell up.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: This episode should have gone out on the it doesn't really matter, does it?
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: You're still learning stuff.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm giving you the right dates, it's just you know, not on this day.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so on not on this day.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Not on this day, on next week, but also today is the first day that video is Patreon only.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh now, is that actually this day or is it not this day?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, episode 154.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Should have rephrased that, shouldn't I?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Episode 154 is the first one going out to video uh to Patreon's on video.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the masters aren't getting it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, for those who've joined Patreon, especially to watch the video, welcome.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right then, so on this day, that's not on this day.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's on some other day.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've heard of this person, um, just before dawn on the 15th of October 1917.
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  SPEAKER_00: This person who was Dutch, um she'd reinvented herself and been through quite a lot of drama that we still don't quite understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was um killed by fire and squad just outside Paris.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any idea?
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  SPEAKER_00: Dutch.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, she was a performer.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: She was a performer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not Friday.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: An exotic performer with an exotic name.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she was known to be a spy and possibly a double agent.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, Matahari?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: Never heard.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is even better than never heard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of Matahari?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm intrigued.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Using the spoon, it's gonna make rattles.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's quite alright.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: So you rattle away.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: Who was it years ago?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Spike Milligan.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, genius.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: A really old comedian from years ago, really, really funny.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why it's just reminded me.
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  SPEAKER_00: On stage of the Royal uh Variety performance, uh, he said, give a big round of applause and the royals rattle your jewellery.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Rattle your spoon, you said, didn't you?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Where my mind goes, folks, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so Massahari was a stage name.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it doesn't sound very Dutch, does it, you know?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a real name was uh Margarita Gertrude Zeller.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh you never know the name.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: I should not just go with a complicated name for her, shouldn't I?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've fucked it up right away.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, history's turned uh into like this ultimate um sexy super spy, um extracting military secrets in bed, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Betraying France and sending tens of thousands of soldiers to the deaths, according to historical records.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Betraying France.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Was this World War I or two?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well getting it.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she was born in 1917, so World War II.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, the awkward bit about all of this is that historians have never found definitive evidence that the things that she was tried and ultimately killed for are actually true.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no real evidence, but I'm gonna tell you what we do know, and you can all decide for yourselves.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna try and do it like quickish because it's an on this day, but there's some stuff that you do need to know.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, born in the Netherlands, so she wasn't born in 1917, she was put to death in 1917, so it was the first World War.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: What a tissue.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Ask to God.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so she's born 1876.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not on this day.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: I know, yeah.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Just just stick with me.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're here for it, aren't you?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um and she was born to a prosperous family.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Her dad was a millner, as far as I remember, and my nan was a millner.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: My nan.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: My nan never ever went doolally rice.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but she just she just did some mad things sometimes.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is my mum's mum.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't dead, dead close to her.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: One of my cousins was getting married and she made herself a hat.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And when she took it off and put it on the table, it had a cornflake box on the inside.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: She'd got a cornflake box and then just covered it.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful, it was beautiful.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: We had Kellogg's cornflakes on the inside, yeah.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, she had uh she had a decent upbringing, but her parents separated, um, her mother died.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: A childhood wasn't like disastrous, you know.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no like real reasons in a childhood for suddenly being rebellious or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But she answered uh a newspaper advert when she was 18, and the advert was placed by a guy called Rudolf McLeod, a Dutch colonial army officer.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he wanted a wife.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like he was Scottish as well, McLeod.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: McLeod, doesn't that?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: And a Dutch colonial.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like yeah, anyway.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: So he wanted a wife.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: She married him, and um she she had two children, um, and they both became violently ill in 1899.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a little bit of disaster uh around this time.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: So her childhood was was quite stable, but around this time I'm an unhappy marriage was unstable, and her children became really ill, and one of her children died, unfortunately.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't I don't think she ever really got over that, to be honest with you.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: The marriage failed, and Marguerite went to Paris to try and start a new life and just try and put that behind her.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, what did she do?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she'd done something that she'd never ever considered before.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, she'd come from this uh well-to-do background, she didn't really need for much.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, never once did anybody think that she was going to be a dancer, an exotic dancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: She invented Matahari and she presented herself as this Eastern princess or temple dancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you see pictures of her, she's very much like an Arabian type princess, and she's got like chiffon and jewels and feathers and all that bare feet, yeah, uh ankle bracelets and all that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, her scarves were part of the dance, and she'd use the scarves.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is like really, really early on in the 1900s.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: She'd use the scarves to hide her nudity underneath, but only just there's like little hints of nipple and stuff like that.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Very risque, really, very risque.
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  SPEAKER_02: Almost burlesque-esque.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, burlesque, yes, um, but with like this Eastern vibe to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's there's uh there are some footage out there if you want to go and have a look at it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So by the First World War, um, she was in her late 30s, and uh a dancing career was fading uh because she was getting a little bit older, um, and obviously war was breaking out, and you know, people had their mind on other things, and the landscape was a bit dangerous, and so the dancing career sort of faded into the background.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now she was uh obviously Dutch, and the Netherlands was neutral, neutral country in the first world war, and she could still travel quite freely, better than most.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: And to the intelligence services, this was very useful, very useful indeed.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, was she actually a spy?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is what we know German intelligence gave her the designation of H21, it's like a special source of um spy code, if you like, and money amounting to 20,000 francs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Matahari later said the money was compensation for possessions the Germans had taken from her and that she didn't supply them with any useful uh information.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: She said useful information.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: The French counterintelligence recruited her.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: She asked for a huge payment of one million francs, partly because she wanted to marry uh a um a wounded Russian soldier called Vadim Maslov, and she wanted the moise to start a new life.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: She says okay.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, she proposed for the money that she seduce a German crown prince and extract secrets.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: So being an exotic dancer, she's used to like luring the men and all that, you know.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she knew how to use her body.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she wasn't overly beautiful, but she knew how to use what she had.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds quite cinematic, really, doesn't it?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think she thought cinematically at times she had big ideas.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't I don't think she really thought about the consequences of her actions sometimes, actually.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe she did, and she just thought that she was bigger than the Lord and she'd get away with it.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, in reality though, the printer she wants to deduce had very little operational military knowledge, and this scheme went absolutely nowhere.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: She got a million francs.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: But she got a million francs.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: But then she got involved with uh a German military attache, Major Arnold Callais.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: He sent messages naming agent H21 in a code that German intelligence knew the French could read.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So this leaves a possibility of did he deliberately sacrifice her?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Germany wants to expose her as a double agent, or she was simply just careless and walked into the trap.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: So what's not supported is the prosecution's claim is that her espionage caused around 50,000 uh um deaths of French soldiers, and this is in history records, but there's no real evidence of that, there's no battle or anything like that.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: But what they're saying is is that information that she shared would have resulted in deaths because you know the interceptions and stuff like that.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, there's a lot of moral outrage over this whole thing.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a lot of talk about you know um sleeping spies and you know how she's been doing this for years.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: There's all sorts of like rumours and stuff like that flying around, and her private life was became a spectacle, and she she went to court, and they were they talked more about the fact that she was a woman, exotic dancer, flaunting her partially naked body, uh wooing people.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they concentrated more on that than the actual you know spy side of things.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the fact that she was a woman, an exotic dancer, and there was you know some evidence-ish that she's been shared in secrets.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: They basically said that she was a double agent.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: She admitted to taking German money, um, and that was disastrous.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: She should never admit that really.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, the case for being a master agent uh rested really on exaggerated evidence, evidence, uh, and moral outrage in general, and she was sentenced to death for that.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Wartime, obviously, a different age, but still, um, it just seems very, very unfair, doesn't it?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: It does, and you do what you have to do to survive sometimes, you do, you do.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, like I said at the beginning, 15th of October 1917, she was 41.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and she was shot by a 12-man firing squad.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there's a a little bit in the in history records as she refused a blindfold and she wants to face the officers.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we think that's true.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the part that is in the records that we don't think is true is that before the officers administered the final shot, she blew them a kiss.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know that for sure.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'd love to think that she did.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do know she'd wear a blindfold, we don't know about that bit.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: But do you know what?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, she does seem quite ballsy, and if you know you're gonna die at the end, and you know you've been behaving that way around men pretty much all your adult life, it probably would be a parting gesture, wouldn't it?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: It would.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it also, I I suppose it's a I forgive you as well.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know whether I do in the firing.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's it's it depends on the kiss, doesn't it?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: If it's sort of a, you know, or if it's a yeah, it's like, yeah, fuck you.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, see on the other side, fuckers.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't know, do you?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: But uh anyway, she died on that day.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's other myths that she wore a fur fur coat and dropped it to reveal herself naked.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we don't know that either.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: And there's another little loose conspiracy that there was one of the firing scoffers besotted with her, and actually they all fired blanks.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: She dropped to the floor and she wasn't dead at all, but we know that's not true.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's not gonna be true then, she did actually die.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: But all these little stories that fly around just to keep this myth and legend going, you know.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's just one of those stories that just makes you go, hmm, you don't know.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: She she's admitted to accepting money.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know whether she um purposely said, right, I'm gonna go and be an agent, I'm gonna go and be a spy.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe she's just thought, I'm a bit skinned, you're offering me 20,000 francs.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, I'll I'll send that letter over or whatever.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: You just don't know.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um you don't know what they had on her as well.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, you don't.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, the fact that actually during a trial, an awful lot of it centred around the fact that she was an exotic dancer and praised around half naked, that was a big conversation in the courtroom.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: It shouldn't have anything to do with it, really.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, but back then it was a big thing, wasn't it?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Of course it was, of course it was.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go, now you know who Matahari is.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Matahari, that's it.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have a clue.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't have a clue.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Look her up.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'll flash a picture up on camera for those watching online, our Patreons.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right, I'm going to tell you another little on this day.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'd never heard of this, and I've seen loads and loads of like history programmes.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen Mysteries at the Museum?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've said it before.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Really, really good, really good for learning like little quirky things um that you just don't see every day online.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: They go around these like quirky museums all around America and sometimes other places around the world to find like relics and then look into their backstory.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: And some of them have got really, really good backstory.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: How they got there, and yeah.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: But the funniest thing is the I think they purposely now choose the shittiest costumes you've ever seen in your life.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: They they look like they're put on with Velcro in really bad wigs.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's they're really bad.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: At first, I think they had a low budget, and that's all they could afford.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: But now they've about 27 series, they can afford it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I think it's just a thing now.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: The fans just like the shit costumes.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: You come to expect it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Go and watch it anyway.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, but this story I hadn't even heard on this museum programme.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the things I've found uh I've seen on the mystery on this museum programme.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I'm gonna talk about uh a submarine um and its inventor was killed in it, right?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this submarine I think was just cursed basically, um, and it sunk, was brought up and then sunk again.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody thought for a minute, maybe we shouldn't bring this back up and and you know float it again.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, yeah maybe not.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: So let me tell you more.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, what sort of submarine was it?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was called the HL Hunley, and its inventor was Horace Lawson Hunley.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: So the submarine submarine was named after him.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was developed for the Confederacy during the American Civil War to attack the Union, and it was around 40 foot long, very cramped.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it could hold about eight men.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was very, very basic, so it didn't have what you'd find on submarines now.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like a capsule that kind of floated with just about enough air.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: So this was an invention that he was hoping could obviously uh change wartime tactics.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the beginning of the story starts, and it hadn't even gone out um on military uh service, it was still in its test and phases.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this this little tube was in its test and phases.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, August 1863.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say, test and phases in Charleston.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: It sank with all the crewmen aboard.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now the accounts differ as to what happened, uh, but the result is clear that the men died.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: The vessel was recovered, cleaned up, guys taken out and put back into service.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Horace Hunter.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Were they dead, by the way?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: They were, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Horace Hunley, the inventor, he is not officially part of the assigned crew, so he shouldn't have been doing anything with this fucking submarine.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's the inventor.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's not a captain.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was a lawyer and a businessman as well.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was a finance guy.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't the one to act in an emergency, for instance.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds to me like he's not the one to design a submarine like that.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: He's a lawyer.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe he wasn't because it didn't do very well.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: He had a concept, but he didn't have the smart to actually invent the concept and make it safe for the people in it.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, after this first disaster, the military authorities were obviously quite wary.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think Hunley wanted to prove actually that this thing was okay, guys.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was just it was just a little mishap that killed people.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he wasn't supposed to operate this thing uh without supervision whatsoever, or or any any kind of operation, really.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, on 15th of October 1863, only two months after it had previously sank.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Two months, Hunley took the boat out for an unauthorised and insufficiently or insufficiently authorised demonstration.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: While its regular commander was not to be found, he's basically waited until this guy's not around, and Hunley said to a few of his cronies.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: To fancy a go on this, yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they went out, and the submarine failed to resurface.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oops.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Hunley and seven others suffocated or drowned inside.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the recovery account have read the match with a little bit, yeah, because the interior is really, really narrow.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was hard to get the bossies out, like because they'd be in the water.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Not that long, but it was warmish water, and they started to decompose quite quickly and take them out of this little tiny hole that they had to get in.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because this thing's only small, so the hatch is only small.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: So trying to get them out, and they're all like it wasn't, it wasn't very nice, apparently.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, at this point you'd say, wouldn't you, okay, this invention's a failure.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody is ever going to trust this thing again.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: However, the Confederacy raised this again.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they must have been desperate.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't want to be past the third crew, would you?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't be that fucking stupid.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, Lieutenant George Dixon was.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: He took command with seven volunteers.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: They volunteered, they weren't even getting paid.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: The submarine has a weapon on this particular uh mission, and it was a spa torpedo, and it was an explosive charge mounted on a long pole projecting from the bow.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't uh a torpedo they could fire, it was on a pole.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: It was on a pole, yeah.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: On the night of the 17th of February, 1864.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So that's only what, November, December, January, four months after the previous loss had snuffed it.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: The Hunley approached the Union sloop, the USS Hootonic.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and lookouts on that ship spotted something in the water and fired towards it, but it was too late.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: The Hunley drove and positioned the explosive charge against the warship and detonated it and it sank.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: But so did the submarine.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: It did.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: So this really was a suicide mission, really.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: They had to knock the side of the sh the other ship with the torpedo, and then itself would have gone up.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a suicide mission.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, but it was the first time a submarine had sunk an enemy ship in combat.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that was what was that?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 1864.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: So quite a long time ago.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it's a submarine, but it's it is just a tube.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's no safety mechanisms in there, there's no means of keeping them men safe when they went out into combat.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: It'd basically just, you know, kill themselves in the line of duty, didn't do you know.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the wreck was located in 1995 because they'd never actually found the wreck, or they never attempted to go find it.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was raised in the year 2000.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this the the crew skeletons were actually found largely at their stations.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, didn't the whole thing just explode?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: But no, what they actually think was, because it's at their stations, there was no obvious, like uh obvious evidence of like a rush or a panic, it all just happened really quick.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a few a few theories.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: There was collision damage, incoming fire, which caused lack of oxygen, they just just died instantly through that.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Flooding is is probably not um because of the literally in the seat, probably would have floated off.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but researchers they've found evidence that the Hunley was really, really close to explosive charge.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: So so it was close to did they discover the warship as well?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it was close to explosive charge.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: And what they think is actually they've they've died uh through a pressure wave from the impact, yeah, uh, which transmitted through the hull and might have caused instant fail uh fatal lung and brain trauma without smashing skeletons because their skeletons were intact, intact.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I was like, oh, okay, so it didn't explode because the so this is what they found.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: They looked at the research.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: So they with this sudden jolle, the brain just gone bang and just killed them instantly with the pressure wave.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: And the lungs are just gone and imploded or gone down.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Not a nice way to go, but very quick.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Very quick, very, very, very quick, yeah.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um obviously we now know submarines have come on leaps and bounds.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well we know how not to do it, don't we?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, uh a lot of where we've come now couldn't have happened actually without uh Horace Hunley going ahead and designing this thing.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: And 21 men died in this one submarine, uh, and they learned loads actually from the Hunley.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, okay, what when it actually did attack, successfully attack another vessel, they're like, There's something in this, yeah.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously it went on from the further, yeah.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a triumph of innovation, if you like.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: It it went on, you know, uh, to do great things, but the actual machine itself was an absolute failure.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: 21 men three times they raised this fucking thing.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you do that?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, do you know?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: I read somewhere as well that um uh Lieutenant Dixon, the guy who went down last, they found a gold coin.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not on him, because he was a skeleton, but around him.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and there was an inscription on it.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: And he'd been given the coin after um surviving another battle somewhere, and it said my life preserver on it.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: So the coin was inscribed with my life preserver.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because that coin had had protected him from a bullet.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: From a bullet, yeah.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: It had been retrieved and given to him.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so he'd kept it as like his like good luck charm.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: And they found it on in on the vessel next to him.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't very lucky, that's it.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was gonna say it'd run out of its luck, isn't it?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, Marjorie's still finding that great way.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: So there we have it.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Two of our on this days that are actually next week.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: And not on this day.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Not on this day, yeah.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right, I'm gonna give you a little bit of ASMR.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Last time I tried this, it was a failure.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on.
• 32:21
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• 32:25
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• 32:26
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• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: So knew Dylan, who used to, who was in the uh who was in the studio, you know, he's left.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Dylan and I.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's left the studio.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Has he?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um so he was always wearing headphones in the background, listening to every little thing we were saying.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, when we were like crunching, opening our cans, he was like, oh, with the sounds, because the sound in his ears was like dead crisp, and he could hear like the bubbles inside the can and all that.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I didn't get it, I was like, yeah, that right, Dylan, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:56
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• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: So now Kev is gonna pour coffee in front of the microphone without burning himself.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna try anyway.
• 33:04
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• 33:06
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• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 33:10
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• 33:12
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• 33:13
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• 33:16
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• 33:17
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• 33:19
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• 33:23
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• 33:24
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• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna I've got a little dangly bit, but you've got a dangly bit as well.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Go on, go on.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, you know, we've had all this heat wave and and everything um over the summer.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we've had the best summer in this country, aren't we?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we have needed rain.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it finally, a couple of weeks ago, it started to rain, didn't it?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: It hasn't really stopped.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: And literally, I would say overnight my lawn in the back garden went from being a yellowy, brownie, dried mess to just green.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it felt like the garden was smiling again.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I went onto Google, I was sitting at home, and I just went onto Google, I just typed into Google, I just typed, um, how quickly can grass recover?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it came up with all this stuff that I just flicked through and I wasn't too interested in.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then I read something that said, Did you know grass smiles when it rains?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, hey, what's this?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I read into it more, and there was a picture.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: And oh my fucking god, grass smiles?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: So Kev actually sent me this picture.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't believe it, Kev.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So then I was like, he's being bullshitted by AI, and I researched it myself, and there's fucking smiling grass.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, smiling grass.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the little molecules inside the inside the grass when the grass is hydrated, it must do something to the molecules and change the grape.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it's got a proper face.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna uh flash the picture up because it will make you smile.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's wonderful, isn't it?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: You think like this grass, you look it looks dead.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, dead, it's never gonna recover.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Little bit of rain on it, a little bit of yeah, on the top, and it just smiles.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't nature just beautiful at times?
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, nature is beautiful, yeah, but sometimes you get little nuggets like that, and it's just like, oh, nature really is stunning.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, smiling grass.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Little dangly bit.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Little dangly bit.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got a dangly bit.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've got a couple of things.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I wants to show you this, not for any reason particularly, really.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got two things.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that hat.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, this is something that I wore quite a lot as a dominatrix on photo shoots and stuff, because I used to do um steampunk um type photo shoots occasionally.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: I had loads of steampunk outfits and that.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this was made for me um quite a few years ago now.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: But it's absolutely lovely.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know whether you wanted to have a go.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right, so have a go, I want it.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: If you've only got a little head, what you do?
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: This is like a little thing to put at the back to make it smaller.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: So as you put it on, just keep that in like that, and then just put it on.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see Kev in the top hat.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Let's have a look.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Kev.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna keep it on for the whole episode?
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think I should?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: You look fabulous.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: So for those who aren't watching, I've just pulled out a red top hat.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's embellished with like um black feathers, lace, so it's fabulous.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's campus fuck, yeah.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's very kev.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna take a picture so you can decide if you're gonna keep it off the episode or not.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, Kev.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's so good on Facebook.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: You look marvellous.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think you should keep it on.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love it.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so there you go.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: So, talking about you being a dominatrix, yeah.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen the latest episode of RuPaul's Drag Race UK?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I have.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: And did you hear yourself mentioned?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, Vic.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: You need to watch it back and you need to record it, and you need to clip it and you need to show it.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because RuPaul says Lady C.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck off.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Not in this Lady C, though.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter, does it?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's RuPaul saying Lady C.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: You just use it.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I literally watched it this morning.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: He says Lady C.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right then, I'm going to clip that to fuck.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's when it's when they're doing the prep for the snatch game and he's up there at the table.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: And the talk, and okay.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: And one says, um, I'm thinking of Lady Colin Campbell.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes, Oh, Lady C.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: Lady C.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think she's actually been on RuPaul years ago, hasn't she, on the panel?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Possibly.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Really early days.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think possibly.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: But he says Lady C.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: And you need to have that.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, definitely.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, Kev.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: That hat looks way too good.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: I might I might.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen my wedding photos?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Of me wearing the hats of everyone that was there.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: I love a hat.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: I love a hat.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: I've got loads in there.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: I've got a I've got um so our friend Pete, he uh he went to a uh country and western festival.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: And he's got me a proper cowboy hat.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: You told me he was getting you a hat.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Are you made up with it?
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: I am, it's just too big for me though.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, put it in the back.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: I measured my head and it was it the measurements have come back for this hat, exactly how my head should be.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it shrunk my head.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: So put the thing in the back, like I've got there.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's a topic.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: I've bought some stuff to put in it, so I've just got to put it around and then see if that'll do.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: But this, yeah, this does work.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: It does work.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: It just helps it just sits nice, and you can you know position it wherever you want, and you can just put that.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, guys, for those who aren't even watching, this makes no fucking sense at all.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm basically checking.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly that, exactly that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got another little thing.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm being really mean here.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm being really mean to my gay friend.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: So about um six episodes ago, I told everybody about a mishap I had one evening um when it was one of those nights and I bore some lovely underwear.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: I could have fuck work out how to put it on.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was just string.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: So Kev, I'm just thinking I just think that works, love.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: So again, for those who aren't watching, I've just given Kev like a little baby doll type thing in blue with lots of straps, and he's gonna work out how it goes.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's obviously the front.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: So he's he's got the strings and he's holding it up and working out how which which way's up.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: There's your neck through there.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Arms through there.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, no, hang on a minute.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's the front.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because you want you want to get your pussy on show, don't you?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: And your ass buttocks covered, and then the little heart at the back.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: Which would be just above your crack.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: I would think.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is that your final answer?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, no, hang on.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: See, I I've worked it out holding it.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, it is it is the other way because it's it's taller at the front.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: All the women are screaming at the camera at the moment.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't know, I don't wear this shit.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I do wear this shit, and I still couldn't work it out, Kev.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: That is the wrong way.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Completely wrong way.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it was the right way, the other way.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not, Kev.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Was it that way?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so they're for the titties.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: But, right, now that you've we've worked out between ourselves.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: I get it now.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: But what is going on with all the straps, Kev?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: That is just pathetic.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even going to try that on.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right, come here.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I was holding it up the way you've just held it up.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: So for now that we've worked it out.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Did I have my hat back?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: My hat.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, hello.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right, so for those who are watching, let's hold it up the way it's supposed to be, right?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: So it's sort of like that.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shite.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: So your tits go in the front there, and the bottom's all crotchless and all that.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: But then it's got all these straps that's sort of crisscross.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you go to put it on, so you've got to like open it up and then step in.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: All you're left with is just fucking straps everywhere, Kev.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't wear out.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: I had my legs in my neck and everything.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: Is that Timu?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was love honey.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Love honey.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't cheap.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was one of the newer ones, you know.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, that looks nice on the fucking size zero model.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: And she probably was told me to get her in it, who knew how to put it on.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I I still haven't worn it because I couldn't work out.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't even spend the effort trying to get that on.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've just looked like no.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it ridiculous?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Nah.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: So sorry guys, you're not going to see me in it.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: When on Damn.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Never mind.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, when you underwear needs to come with instructions on how to put it out.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that is the underwear that I was talking about absolutely ages ago that I couldn't get on.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just me being a meth.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: Kev couldn't work it out either.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm not going to work that out, am I?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bit of women's stuff.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, it doesn't matter.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: Give me a jock strap.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, but underwear, you shouldn't need yeah, you shouldn't need to be a female with a degree in lingerie to work out how to put it on.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Anybody should be able to pick up lingerie and go, right, okay, neck there, strap there.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Grace.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: I even went back to the picture and I was like So it didn't come with instructions either.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: It need that's what I'm saying.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: If it needs instructions, it shouldn't be getting sold.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Am I just middle-aged and meant lower?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: But Jimmy also went like, oh fuck that we launched it.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna be on your lung anyway, so exactly that.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, when you want to like look nice and everything, I was a sweaty mess by the end of it trying to work out how to put it on.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: Naked and sweaty, no one's wearing it in the end, couldn't face it.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, right then, let's move on to something that um I am interested in for when I'm elder and could be a little bit senile.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on a minute.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Could be.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck you.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean could be, you're not you're not gonna be senile.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: I thought you were implying could be, as if it's like, you know, a done deal.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: I am going a little bit knotty, but so there's something that's um our gym, the wizard of odd, sent over to me.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're really into looking at alternative ways of treating certain conditions that are life-limiting, um, or obviously terminal, or maybe things that affect you and your family, like dementia, Alzheimer's, that kind of thing.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, there's a lot of pharmaceutical uh medicine out there for different conditions.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, dementia, we haven't got a cure for dementia.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's ways that we can maybe help the symptoms, but not not an awful lot out there.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we're relying on pharmaceuticals quite a lot, and um, you know, Jim and I.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: I have tried not to over the years.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, Jim's on quite a lot of meds now.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's in an awful lot of pain.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's no secrets, I don't think.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was a codeine addict um for quite a long time.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I went clean in 2017.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's mad, isn't it, to think that and you're addicted to painkillers.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's just nuts.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: But the high off codeine was just marvellous, I can't lie.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: But the but coming coming down, yeah, coming down, coming off codeine, um the detox was horrific.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: I bet.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so um it's put me off for life.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've not took codeine once since the day I went cold turkey, stupidly.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and um I am terrified now of being in such bad pain that I need an opius because I can't take an opioid.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: If I take an opioid, that's it.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Or what's that one that's in America that they've had all these lawsuits over as well?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, oxycodone.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oxycode, yeah.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's well, that's a bit stronger than our cousine.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Very, very, very, very interesting.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Did you imagine if you'd have been on that?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'd probably be dead.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, but you know, thankfully, I've I don't have anything like that now.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm no no addictions apart from work.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's always in the back of my mind, you know, what if I'm I'm in really bad pain because I can't have I can't have cozine, I can't have tramadol, I don't want it.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I'm always looking at other things.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Jim and I often come across stuff and we're like, oh, this is interesting.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now this came up, and it's not necessarily for pain, although there is sort of a little bit of research around it.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: But uh there's quite a bit of uh work going on right now um around psilocybin, mushrooms.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, yeah.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: And treats in certain conditions.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: So microdosin.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: So there's somebody I know who microdoses uh psilocybin is it psilocybin?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is, um, for ADHD.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've I've read stuff about um the menopause as well.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: It can help for uh women who are going through having a really bad time through the change.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um that mushrooms can do that as well.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't mean the research is really, really, really new.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: And some of the people that I know um are experimenting themselves, you know, not to get any kind of high, but to manage conditions, um, you know, based on stuff they've read.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, if you think about it, the planet could be the answer to a lot of stuff because nature is amazing, like we were talking about the grass, right?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: Nature is amazing, and there could be something out there for everything.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's just finding it and finding how to use it, the dosage of it and things like that.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because mushrooms we know, poisonous as fuck, right?
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of them.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but what is in that substance?
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you know, how can you titrate that down so it's not lethal?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot out there, but the pharmaceutical companies around the world have got such power and control and make way too much money for governments.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, way too much money, you know.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: That this this sort of thing should have been happening years ago, really.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's happening now.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: There is a little bit of research.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I would like to talk a little bit about what the finding um is.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I suppose as well, they've probably found it from historical records going back because people use nature to treat things before medicine.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, midwives used alternative medicines in the 160 and 1700s, some were then tried as witches for doing that kind of thing.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they use lots and lots of different herbs, plants, mushrooms, snakes, all sorts of stuff.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, so before our modern medicine, we weren't living as long, but we lived.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we treated things naturally.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I think we're we're wising up to the fact that pharmaceuticals aren't always great because our body doesn't know what to do sometimes with synthetic stuff.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and these things can be highly addictive.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I know only too well.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm really, really pleased that they're looking at other ways of treating these chronic, uh, life-changing and life-limiting conditions.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, they are studying uh psilocybin, and uh it is a psych uh psychedelic compound.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, we know this.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, most of us have heard of magic mushrooms.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: I've never actually taken a magic mushroom, no.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there's some research around using magic mushrooms, psilocybin, in people with mild cognitive impairment and early Alzheimer's.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh isn't this testant uh phases, um, and there's no clinical trial, it's proven that this is a cure.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's still no cure.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's also no proof that it reverses or slows dementia.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: What they are seeing at the moment, though, is that combined with like your psychological support and family and that, it can relieve depression, anxiety, and loss of meaning and purpose when you first get a diagnosis of Alzheimer's.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: But what they're hoping for actually is that they'll get the go-ahead.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't say I think it's quite hard to get the go-ahead from some countries to actually start you know testing on people with more advanced stages.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, psilocybin in 60 seconds, and I've literally wrote that because I could go on for weeks on this thing.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we obviously don't want to do that.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is it?
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: How does it work?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: The body converts psilocybin um into psilocin.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: And this acts as like a serotonin receptor, and this can temporarily alter perception, emotion, the sense of self, and communication between brain networks.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in clinical research, it's not normally like you know, you take a mushroom and see what happens.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: The participants are screened properly and prepared, so they're all quite similar, so there's good comparisons.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're monitored for hours, the staff are there continuously.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like you know, go home, take a mushroom, and just write a diary, you know.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's very, very, very controlled.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then they're offered other sessions of like psychological support and um reflection and stuff like that.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're very much part of the study.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so even though this is a setting that's like part of a treatment, it is a study, and all participants go into it open-minded, knowing that this might not do anything for them whatsoever.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that's sort of what they're doing right now.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um and the they're also doing other types of experiments for other conditions that I'm gonna go on to in a minute.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this depression thing, even though it might be like, oh, it's only treating depression.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: In people with Alzheimer's and dementia, even mild depression can be huge.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: It can really knock them because they're aware that something's coming.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um, if they start getting like depressed as well, it can just exacerbate the feeling of foreboden.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: And the disconnection can happen quicker.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it yeah, it can accelerate, can't it?
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's actually crucial that they try and um help people before it gets really, really, really bad.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and what they've found is that the psilocybin has produced rapid antidepressant effects in several trials involving people um with and without dementia, but mainly without.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, without mainly without.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: But they've seen really, really positive signs in people with early stage dementia as well.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: So what they're saying with this is it's not necessarily that because if you if you think dementia, it's nerve pathways losing connections.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: So this is working in people with dementia, but also people without.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: So even people haven't got this network issue in their brain, it can still help.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because at the end of the day, depression could be an issue with the network.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it can.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, a John Hopkins pilot study, and it has got a registered number, I'm not gonna read it out, it's really long.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's examined psilocybin assisted treatment uh for depression in people with mild cognitive impairment as well.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it's depression with mild cognitive impairment in early Alzheimer's.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now it is a small early stage study, uh, and it's designed primarily to establish feasibility to get further funding and you know, look at the benefits.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like a massive, massive trial that's gonna you know confirm or deny.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: But what they're doing is they're trying to establish a root uh a route, a treatment route.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: So this is um, like I say, it's like a confirmatory uh trial to prove that this is feasible.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: Please give us money and look, this is what it's already doing, and we've already got a plan of how this can be administered.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: So they're wanting to get to a stage where they've got enough where somebody's gonna go, this is gonna be the next big thing.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, there's a shit ton of money.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is what they're doing at the moment.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a more ambitious theory, and this is what me and Jimmy got onto.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think even if the research doesn't come up with anything, if I am ever in a position where I am diagnosed with early dementia, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna take mushrooms because uh this is this is why.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: So scientists are interested in whether psychedelics might affect the biology of neuro um degeneration.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: They've done some lab tests and animal tests uh using classic psychedelics.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh what they found is that it can promote changes in like the dendric, uh dendritic, I think, spine.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: So basically the regeneration or the little fingers, these connections.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure a lot of you have seen videos of the neurons stretching out and the little fingers doing that, making connections with one another.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: When you've got dementia and Alzheimer's, those connections can be broken, or they just they lose connection altogether.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: They can't reconnect.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Every time we learn something, ever where you're all learning now.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, your brain, all of all those little neurons are reaching out and connecting to to uh retain those memories.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that happens in nature all the time, anyway.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because like um, is it microbiological microbio or whatever it is, bacteria do that?
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they've also discovered as well that forests, yes, they do, the roots of the trees do that underneath, and there's actually a network where they communicate with the water.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_02: They call it the Woodwide Web.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's it, the Wood Wide Web.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they know that fungus um will communicate with itself around the forest.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: And they know for certain that if a fungus over there half a mile away is threatened by something like fire or animal or something, it will communicate to its fellow mushrooms half a mile away and say, do one, grow in another direction because we've got something air threatening us.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: And they've also discovered as well, especially in Japan, I think this is there's a guy in Japan.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: So we're going off on a tangent.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, please do.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: But there's a guy in Japan who's discovered that um by going out and walking for an hour in a forest will actually lift you out of depression or lift you up from sinking.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just by spending an hour walking in a forest.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: And he reckons that it's because of the chemicals and everything that the trees put out, you're breathing that in, and that helps you.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: But also the oxygen, pure oxygen in that in that forest.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so again, we're going off on a tangent.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I've said before, uh, our dog Brillo, who died four years ago, I say to this day, literally saved my life.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was in such a dark place.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we got a dog.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: And any other time, I wouldn't have got one, but I I got a dog, and it's the best thing I ever did.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: Really is.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: And uh just over the way from where we used to live, right opposite our house was a forest, but just around the way, there's this place called the nature, the nature reserve.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: And you'd go in and it was empty, there was hardly anybody in there, and there's all like little streams, there was big green ponds, trees that had been there for hundreds of years.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: You could hear woodpeckers, you could hear all the birds, you could eat all the animals.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I remember having Brillo for I don't know, about eight months, something like that, and I was starting to feel better.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I remember looking up, he'd gone off somewhere, looking for rabbits, probably.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember looking up, and there's always like dead high pine trees, and the sun was just coming down and just shining onto a little patch on the ground.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I just stood for a minute and just breathed in dead deep and smelt the forest, heard the woodpecker, listening to the leaves, and everything was okay.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: And look at what happened to everybody on that little canal trip we did.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly that.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: We were out in nature for the day, yeah, and everyone came back chilled, it was great, wasn't it?
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_02: Happy.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: So if you are suffering from any form of mental health issue, my advice to you, and I'm not a doctor, no, go for a walk, yeah, go find a wood and just go for a walk for an hour and just see how you feel at the end of it.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and also put your phone away and don't have headphones on, listen to music.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Just go out, listen to the sound, just stand for a minute and listen.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: The birds.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: If you can find a quiet forest, you know, just listen and just have a minute, and actually you'll find that you'll want to listen for longer the minute becomes longer and longer.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing, isn't it?
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how therapeutic nature can be.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so why shouldn't we also be looking at administering what nature has given us?
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: 100%, you know.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really loving the um theories that mushrooms, um certain types of mushrooms, given in a controlled way, can help our brain reconnect itself.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so people who are suffering with dementia and Alzheimer's, you can hopefully reconnect some of those memories again, they might not get them all back, Kev, but if they can remember their family, or you know, if something triggers a memory and it stays there, they don't lose it again.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: We all know that you can have moments of lucidity, but it goes again.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if they can remember it prolongs it for it.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: It prolongs it, you know.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe if while they're taking it, their memories are retained, and when they don't, it's not we we've seen this with um THC and people with Parkinson's disease, CBD and THC.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, people have taken it who've got Parkinson's, literally can't hold a cup.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's got a sippy cup, couldn't believe it.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he took a THC drops, and next thing he's like doing this to the kettle and just drinking.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: I I just couldn't believe it within about five minutes.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: They can they can administer that, concentrate that down, put it into some form of form where you could your body can accept it without you getting all the psychological shits that comes with it, the trips.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you micro dose, yeah, you find the dose that works for you and it doesn't get you high.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so all of these things, yes, the the the drugs on the black market, if you like, you know, mushrooms, weed, and all that, but there's deafness, um, beneficial um medical benefits to these things.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's just part of the drug, isn't it?
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's it's like with C B D and THC.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it is literally it's part of that cannabis is making the benefit.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_02: You can take the other bit out.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: Of course you can.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what CBD is.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, CBD is part of the hemp plant.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that, and I really, really, really hope that they take this further, that they do get the funding that they need.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that they find that mushrooms do actually help with other stuff.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, now I'm just gonna go over very quick the other things that they think that mushrooms might help with later on.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some of these are theories, some of these are based on what they know about the science of mushrooms and what they do to us to help us.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so they think, oh, it could do this, it could do that.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: So let me tell you.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: So we've already talked about um you know depression.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um but also um depression and distress associated with life-threatening cancer.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there's already been some trials done around this.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so again, it's a depression side.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but obviously, we know that the positivity and and how we go into cancer treatment definitely helps the outcome.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, guys.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely helps the cancer treatment with the hoping that you know this could could help cancer patients.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, alcohol misuse.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's already been a randomised trial, and they found that psilocybin assisted psychotherapy was associated with fewer heavy drinking days than those um on a placebo program.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: Tobacco dependence has been a small open label study, um, and they've produced some pretty good abstinence rates.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: OCD, anorexia, chronic pain, cluster headache, and other conditions.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's some research out there, it's very, very early, uh, and quite mixed.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: Some are small sample.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so they're not like solid, but they're out there and they're happening these studies.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the main thing for me is the depression side.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're depressed, you'll often turn to alcohol, you'll often turn to smoking drugs and all the rest of it.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: To lift you.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: So actually, if we can, you know, help people before they get to that point, then we won't need the mushrooms for alcoholism and and cigarettes and all the rest of it.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: It for me, it's really, really, really exciting.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_00: And um it could save us loads of money that we spend on pharmaceuticals, it could save lives, lots of lives.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's something that is easily obtainable, it's cheap.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's not gonna kill the planet.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a no-brainer for me, folks.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think on this?
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's incredible.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is this something you'd suppose?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: Is this something that you'd have a go of?
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, if it's all been through all the studies and everything, why wouldn't you?
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why wouldn't you?
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, look at look at um, like you say, the opiates.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_00: What we put in our body the doctor tells us to take.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and how easily it was to get addicted to something like that.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: And how easily the doctor nearly gave me it again after I told the doctor not never to give me it again.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: The same doctor being seen for years, by the way.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, uh there's got to be Al-Service, and we've got to look into them.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: We have, you know, we've got a population that's very, very, very stressed, and we do reach for coping mechanisms that can be harmful and addictive.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we've got we've got to look at other things to go out for a walk in the woods.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because you will it's fab.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, you'll see the difference.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Even if it's just for a couple of hours that you feel different, you will feel feel the difference.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: I just love that hat on you, Kev.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so you.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck her.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're getting it back.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's it now.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: That is it now.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, we were recording a little while before we started started, so okay.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm just gonna do um I've got a lady lobotomy and I've got um a fetish factoid.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: I know you all love the lady lobotomies.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't do both really haven't I, but I'll just do it really quick.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we love a lady lobotomy.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, dear Lady Lobotomy.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've been in a long-term DS relationship for eight years.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: We have lives and partners outside of our BDSM relationship, although our play does involve sex.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: Partners are cool, they're dynamic, and there aren't any issues.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: However, my dominance has talked about a branding as a mark of our commitment.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's not out of the blue, as we saw you perform a micro branding at townhouse a while back, and we've talked about it ever since.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just concerned about the payments of us uh with us having partners.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about iron branding, ice branding, and micro branding, but I'm nervous.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: Can you please tell me more about the above and what I really need to be thinking about?
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the education, Lady C.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know how much of an influence you've been on our journey, and say hi to the rest of the gang, too.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: Love Claire, 42, married, one adult child.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of detail, thank you.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: I asked for this as a detail.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_02: So is this is this the uh the branding that you've told me that you do with a soldering iron?
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  unknown: Wow.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I think what I might do, folks, because this is a big subject.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm gonna do this as a separate Patreon episode in depth.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: But what I'm gonna show you is my soldering iron, uh, and tell you just a little bit about what you need to know.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_00: So uh Claire there has mentioned three different types of branding.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one is iron branding, which you'd all know is cattle branding.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_00: The other one is ice branding, which is exactly the same, but rather than using heat, you're using uh liquid nitrogen.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then the other one is micro branding, which is using a soldering iron.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_00: You can use like needles and a flame, but not very accurate and not hot enough sometimes.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: So uh branding in the cattle sense, you need to be really, really careful.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: I have actually overseen and assisted somebody uh with this.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not gonna tell you how to do it, I'm not gonna tell you where you can go.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: If it's something that you're interested in, you need to research it thoroughly.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and please feel free to contact me on Fat Life.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna tell you anything else about cattle branding.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: Too dangerous.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, with the ice branding, it's exactly the same, but we're using cold.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: And there is one person in the whole country that I know that can do it.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're not practicing at the moment.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: And there's not somebody else in America, and I really, really want to learn, but I'm I can't go over to America and learn because it's using liquid nitrogen and it the skin involved, it's very, very, very dangerous.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's acid, isn't it, basically?
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: So again, I can't tell you enough about that to tell you how to do it, and I wouldn't anyway, but as you can hear, it's dangerous, and maybe you shouldn't.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: But microbrandon is different, and we used to call this cell popping back in the day.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you're using a brand iron to create to burn like little dots on the skin.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: See, like little, you're popping skin cells to create a design.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: And what I'm going to do for everybody watching, uh, I'm going to throw up some photos of some of the microbrandon I've done.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: One looks like a mandala, uh, one's like a little ducky that somebody asked, a friend of ours.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've done all sorts of different designs, I've done like a Viking design.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them are about eight inches, they're huge, they're like big tattoos.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_00: And what you need to know about microbranding is they uh can be semi-permanent on some people and on rare occasions permanent.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_00: So before you try and sorry, before you even think about microbrand, you need to consider are you happy with it being on your skin for life?
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because it can be.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: So is that does that depend on how deep you go with?
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: It depends on the skin and the person and the healing.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um I wouldn't recommend this with somebody obviously with uh certain blood disorders, um, bleeding out, and those with like diabetes, because um healing can be slowed down.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: You can, but you need to talk properly about it.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: But we're basically burning the skin.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we are singing the skin, we are creating a scar.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's a form of scarification, it needs a lot of care afterwards.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: I say to people, um, if you've had a tattoo, then you know the sort of aftercare it's needed for a tattoo.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: Similar for this, but it's a burn.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um and the there's a process over about four months that it goes through from a nasty scabby burn through to a red line, through to a silver line, through to something that's like just white and faded, and then eventually it just goes.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: But if you've got skin that um has maybe had quite a lot of sun damage that might not heal completely and go forever.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and just certain people, you know, we all heal differently, don't we?
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't tell you definitively if it's going to be there for one month, one year, forever.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: I just say prepare forever.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: Basically.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um depends how big it is, as well, I should think, as well.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, the size is harder for the healing process, you're more likely to get an infection and stuff like that.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: And infection is very real.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: Don't just get a microbrand off anybody.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_00: I use aseptic technique.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a health professional, I know what I'm doing.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: I do use um a soldering iron because it heats up to over 400 degrees.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, any bugs and stuff on the end of it is just gonna be burnt away straight away.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it's cleaned, but you know, on the skin, clean the skin.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_00: But anything that could be left is burnt is like obliterated completely because it's a soldiering iron.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna show you it very quickly.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: But what you do is the same as a tattoo, you draw it out, you'd put it onto the transfer paper, wet the skin, exactly the same as a tattoo, and you'd burn it on instead of ink it on.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_02: But you do it as little dots, you don't draw it on little dots.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: You don't draw, so you don't drag the skin because that will open it up, and you've got a massive problem on your hands.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_00: Then it'll be ugly, you won't see the design, um, and you don't leave it on the skin too long.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna tell you anything more about the technique.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: What I'm gonna do is tell you a little bit more about branding in general, um, on a little spin-off episode for Patreon.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it is literally just a branding iron.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, solding iron.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_00: And when it's switched on, that glows red.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that goes hot.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got to hold it high up here.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: So the control is actually it's quite difficult.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: Different to a pen or a pencil, isn't it?
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can't hold it low down because it's hot.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can't hold it there because it's hot, you've got to hold it high up.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's a controlled movement.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: I I do a count on the skin, so I'm not I'm holding it down too long.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it is skilled.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much room for it to go wrong.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, should only be done by somebody who's been taught by somebody like me.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I do teach micro branding.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, actually, um, I am doing a course at a townhouse in November.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a private thing.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm hiring the club, and I'm doing um a class with a small class with just a few people, and we're gonna do one-to-one, hands-on micro branding training.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: So there are people out there that do it, but please don't do it unless you've been taught.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's got so much potential to go wrong.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is burns that we are creating.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: As well, is a massive thing.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you need to know if somebody faints and just all that kind of thing.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots and lots of different things to consider.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, now the lady who has contacted me about this, I have contacted her privately and gone into it in depth because I knew I wouldn't be able to go into everything here today.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I also wanted to highlight it for you guys.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's a nice little question, and it just goes those three different types of branding and why you shouldn't do the first two.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so pleased that you didn't ask my opinion on an answer for it because I wouldn't know what to say.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: I knew that you wouldn't have known anything about uh something like that.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, all my my gut reaction is don't do it!
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, everyone to their own, isn't it?
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's reaction should be don't do it, and then read into it.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_00: And if you if your gut is still saying don't do it, don't do it.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even have a tattoo, so yeah.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there you go.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: And um, like I say, it it could be there forever.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: So don't get on your face if you don't want a scar on your face forever.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if a practitioner says, Yeah, I'll I'll do it on your face, no problem.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Run a fucking mile.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because anybody who we're in the right mind is not gonna burn your face.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, why would you?
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Some people would, Kev.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_02: And well, they get their faces tattooed, don't they?
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_00: But a burn on your face, though, you know.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that's a little bit infected as well.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I've I've seen I've seen micro brands getting infected, and you know, it's not always down to the person, the practitioner, it's the aftercare.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying they did anything wrong, but sometimes even the best will in the world, a tattoo can get infected, it's just one of those.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I burnt myself on the log burner um a couple of years ago, and um that took ages to heal.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Ages.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a similar sort of burn.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going in with a point burn at 425 degrees.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: That in it alone should discourage you from just going to anybody to do micro branding.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a little bit about branding.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to know more, head over to Patreon and I'll do a little something over there as well.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love that you're keeping me on check.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, well, that everyone wants them, don't they?
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna do a very quick fetish factoid, and um, it's something that we do.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Not we.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank god for that.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking fetish me.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, what do we need to do?
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_02: I know I tell you things in private, but obviously.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Since when it's boozing but a fetish and karaoke.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_02: Wanking, popping.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've noticed both do together.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't say together.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so do you know?
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: The muffin man in Standard Lane.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: So do you know what blood choking is?
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Blood choking.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: So is that where people would cut themselves and then be forced to swallow the the blood?
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't then.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's vampirism.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, okay.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that is drinking your own blood or somebody else's.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and folks, it's not a great idea to drink blood.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_00: It can actually be really, really detrimental.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: It can be toxic, actually, in some places.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, and people that have been into vampirism have actually been quite ill.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, no, it's not that.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that at all.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's making somebody pass out by restricting blood to the brain.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'll hang on a minute.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen Jim do this to you.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, at the party.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a party trick.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you literally just went.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So uh there's pressure points, uh, and there's also um blood choking that we do.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: So pressure points is basically it's like a spot, you know, when it's fucking just getting your shoulders out and you just drop to the floor.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Jim can do that, but on different parts of my body.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got two spots on my buttocks, um, and he can just press them.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just go, really?
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I can speak and I can breathe and everything, but my body just goes limp.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: But then the blood choking is when he will uh just put a finger very lightly on a certain part of my neck or on my shoulder here.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_00: There's different parts behind me here, is what he did it then.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Behind me ear.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it just restricts the blood flows to my brain.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, can you do it to yourself then?
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, not really.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because as soon as I say as soon as I pass out, my finger will fall off.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you can't really do it.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wouldn't really want it anyway, really.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's a control thing with Jim, you know.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, you put your finger on and I literally just go, You've seen me do it.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I just go, I can hear everything that's going on.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: If it's something funny, I want to laugh and I'm laughing on the inside, but I can't laugh.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I literally I can't breathe, I can't move, I can't blink, I can't do nothing.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm just like passing.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_02: So you're still aware.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fully aware, yeah.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you've not actually passed out, passed out.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, but my body, my my functions have stopped.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Apart from my brain.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't have my eyes close.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_02: But your heart's still pumping and things like that.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: My heart still pumps, but if it did it too long, it'd stop.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So this is trust.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you need to do the trusting partner.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because if they didn't take the finger off, you can't move or speak or blink to stop them.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do nothing.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: You need to have it.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you're locked in.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's you need to have a full-on, basically, conversation with people before this happens.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: You don't just do it on someone's sake of doing it.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: And even now, after about six years, seven years of us doing this, occasionally I can get in my own head.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if we've done it a few times, obviously lack of oxygen to your brain.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, which when you get oxygen, the oxygen high, that's why you do it.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and also the control thing.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: But if you do it too much, you start getting your own head a little bit.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Jim doesn't do it for long.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_00: He'll count in his own head, obviously, not too loud, but he'll say, Jump to go a little bit longer.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I go, Yeah, and you'll just one or two seconds, it's not a lot, but it's a lot when you can't breathe.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: And occasionally in my head, I've got to just stay calm.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go, he's gonna take his finger off.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay, it's Jim.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: He'll take his finger off in a minute.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't panic that I can't breathe.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because I literally I can't breathe.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_00: I can't because breathing is an automatic subconscious thing that we do.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you realise this when you can't do it.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, I just go, I can't breathe, I can't take a breath.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's like somebody who's just taking the ability away.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_02: So if it's like someone's holding your head down underwater, then you can't breathe because you know if you breathe, you're gonna breathe in the water.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you can't panic.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah now occasionally I've tried to breathe to test.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is it just mind of a matter?
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I've got when I've done that, I've been in my brain, Jim, off now, now, now, now, now.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I can't tell him.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_00: So now I've got to just stay calm.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: I can never even try and breathe.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've just got to allow the process.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Trust Jim, I might take your finger off.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't go either.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_00: I just go, I take a second and I go, I just take a nice soft breath.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_00: But the rush of oxygen that I get it gives you a bit of a high.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're in like a sexual encounter, if you are being pleasured, the oxygen high just gives you a little bit more of a tingle on your bingle.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: But my telly, did you hear me?
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I heard bloody hell.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it's um it's it's a nice, easy way of um gaining control in a DS relationship.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's a kinky little thing that you can do because actually, when Jim does this to me, it's in a very caring way.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he doesn't just come over and go, right, fucker, you know, knocking you out.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_00: It we're it's in a very loving, safe situation.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're often very close and he'll get me okay, and I'll go, I'll take a breath.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not like I'm you know, but I'll just take a nice deep breath and I'll just take it calmly out and I go, okay.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_02: But you trust him enough to do that, yeah.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then he'll just do it nice and gentle, and sometimes he'll kiss me on the forehead.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Or sometimes he'll he'll just go, love you, and then knock me out.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's sort of like I'm going in a positive space, if you know what I mean.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'll come back out again, he'll it'll be stroking my head or whatever.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's really, really, really nice.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: But it's only literally a matter of seconds.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's about I'd say about 10 seconds.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's so I don't think he's going any longer.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'd have to ask Jim actually.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: When we hadn't done it for a little while, I cried Hoop and Koff did knife rages.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Year before last.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_00: My chest has not been the same since Hoop and Koff.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I cough a lot on the chat itself.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_00: My chest just has not been the same since I had Hoop and Cough.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was a runner and everything.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, anyway, anyway.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so um I can't remember where I was going with that now.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_00: But um it's interesting, it's a nice little easy thing to do.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't really got to learn, you can just sort of press around and see if the right thing happens.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: But what you the easiest way to know is not to just close your eyes and then you know, hope that the person gets knocked out because you won't necessarily know if their eyes are closed, keep your eyes open and maybe have your head like that.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_00: And as soon as you get knocked out, your head will go to the side.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_00: The person knows you've gone.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you know you've gone then.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then when you come back round, the person support your head and then bring it back up again.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're literally like a ragdoll.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_00: If you remember, Jim was literally holding me.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_02: He was, yeah.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's holding my neck and hold my shoulder to keep me up.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, oh yeah, because you were sitting down on a picnic bench.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it's great.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's I I absolutely love it.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's not for everybody.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_00: I know that, and not everybody has that trust and that bond.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_00: But if you do, it's just a fun little thing.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_00: I've tried to do it on Jim, and I can't do it.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot do it.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_00: You've got your got your neck's got to be relaxed.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be tense like that either, because the muscle just stops it.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're nice and relaxed and just like you press around.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_00: So don't believe it's just too tense.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a proper spot pint.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you've seen it now, have you?
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's just I just go.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's really, really great.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: So that's blood choking.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um I should say don't try this at home.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but don't try it at home with something that you don't know, basically.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Only try it with something that you really, really trust.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_00: And you both will have a little go and uh don't do it for long.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_00: And don't do it for long, yeah.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just try for a couple of seconds first.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just you know, maybe three seconds, count one, two, three, and take your finger off.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about it, see how it fell.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because some people freak out and like, nope, don't do that again.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do it again.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like everything?
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Would you try that?
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think if it was you or Jim, probably.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_02: But I would have to be in the right frame of mind to do it.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because I do trust you too, you know, and I'm not into fet or anything like that.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_02: So this to me would just be a little bit of fun to to do.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_02: I would probably try it with you two, but no one else.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't let anybody else do it too, apart from Jim.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't do it with anyone else because I know Jim knows what he's doing, right?
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I trust Jim and I trust you.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so to to know that I'm being my well-being is being looked after, then yeah.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: But no one else.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think um it's a it's a it's a funny little brain space to be in.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's very, very you feel very vulnerable.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um the fact that you can't breathe, that scares me.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_00: It takes every function away from you and every bit of fight that you could have, the fight or flight is removed.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_02: I I think I think the thing for me, Vic, is I didn't understand that your brain is still active.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_02: I thought you just passed out and you're gone, and then you're brought back.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's like locked-in syndrome.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that would scare me.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I'm but it's also it is intriguing to know that you've got that.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_00: But it's funny sometimes because Jimmy can be funny, as you know, and he often says funny things when I'm under, and I can't laugh.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Inside, I'm going.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so he said, and I'm in my head, I'm laughing.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Takes his finger off, and I'm like that, and I go, I wake up laughing.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because in my in my body, I'm laughing and I'm dying to laugh.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_00: My body is dying to laugh.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's the relationship you've got with Jim.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_02: I can see this being used against people who are you know, yeah, uh controlling and things like that.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_02: And you can imagine them knocking them out, knowing that they can hear and saying things like, I'm not bringing you back, yeah, I'm not doing this, you're gonna go now.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_02: This is it now.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the panic that that would install.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but like I said before, you've got to be really relaxed.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_00: So if somebody's already scared, it's gonna be quite hard to do something like that, really, but it wouldn't stop them actually going and try and choke them instead or doing some other damage, you know.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that is blood choking.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not gonna show you how to do it.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um good, because I thought you were gonna have Jim can do it.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, or I might do a show a video of Jim doing it to me.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because his face doesn't have to be in it, it's just his finger.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it doesn't matter, his face being in it.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_00: He's been on photos on Facebook and everyone, doesn't mean and all that.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right, we're gonna leave it there.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, would you want to do the outro in your top hat?
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Can you remember it?
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_02: In the top hat.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come on.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, well, first of all, thanks ever so much.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's been amazing.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'd love to day again, always do.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I love my new hat.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um so if you've been watching, put the kettle on.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see you in five.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_02: If not, see you next week.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.