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Herc was on T (feat. Matt Rogers) · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: I won't sing at all on this podct no, because
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  Speaker 1: Rose will be doing all this singing for you. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I am the Rose. I really hate that you are
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  Speaker 1: so transphobic that you don't want a woman, a trans
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  Speaker 1: woman to sing. Yeah, that's what it's about. It is,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's when it at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: it is about you. It is even if you're doing
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  Speaker 1: a bit, that is what it's about for me. So
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  Speaker 1: let's just come in here and make it very thank
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  Speaker 1: you for thank you for believing women. I wonder Rose, listen,
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  Speaker 1: this is our multiverse of madness, an amazing crossover event.
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  Speaker 1: We're in. Matt Rodgers from the Lost Culture Ista podcast
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  Speaker 1: graces you from the the l CPU, the l c
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  Speaker 1: PU in all of its Cafe Boostello Lori is going
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  Speaker 1: to be coming on too, like a version to discuss well,
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  Speaker 1: theme parks roller coasters. I was going to say they're
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  Speaker 1: one of the universal childhood experiences, but I'm sure not
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  Speaker 1: everyone has that experience, but they are a universal childhood
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  Speaker 1: experience and that um I went to Universal Studios as
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  Speaker 1: a child. Yeah, And when it comes to theme parks,
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  Speaker 1: Matt is a historian, an expert. He's the kant a
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  Speaker 1: philosopher of theme parks and roller coaster He's basically the
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  Speaker 1: Michel Fucot of roller coasters, and and there's no one
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  Speaker 1: who has a more prescient knowledge and foresight on the
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  Speaker 1: state of theme parks in this not just this country,
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  Speaker 1: but in the world. Yeah, Matt Rogers is Walt Disney reincarnatives.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what I was saying. Being Walt Disney and
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  Speaker 1: being michef are very different things. And I think you've
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  Speaker 1: kind of mixed the metaphor. Now that's fine. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I do because this is like a virgin the show
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  Speaker 1: where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm ros
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  Speaker 1: damn you and I'm fran Toronto. We have Matt Rogers today, who,
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  Speaker 1: as we said, one of the hosts of Lost Culture Stas.
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  Speaker 1: He's also on the New Showtimes Aries. I love that
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  Speaker 1: for you, and I love that for him, and love
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  Speaker 1: this for us. And the show is amazing. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't already seen it, it's on Showtime, starring Jennifer Lewis,
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  Speaker 1: Molly Shannon, Vanessa Bayer, all of the girls. It's it's wonderful.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: Y'all should catch it. I saw something sitting on the
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  Speaker 1: toilet right after we recorded last week that I was like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: like I I wish we had had time to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this in the slush piles of like our internet timelines.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see this kind of ally anthem that Kendrick
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  Speaker 1: Lamar put out recently, No Okay so Um? In his
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  Speaker 1: most recent album, he basically wrote a song dedicated to
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  Speaker 1: his trans uncles that can only be described as maclemorean, like,
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  Speaker 1: can you unpack the macailmore in part of it? Because
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  Speaker 1: I think I know that Macaulmore did something like gay,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't really know the specifics, and maybe some
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  Speaker 1: of our listeners as well. Of course, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: I call it mackailmore in because it's very like Allah,
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  Speaker 1: same love parentheses she keeps Me Warm by Macklemore, Which
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  Speaker 1: was that Like I really blocked that and I really
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  Speaker 1: resent you for making me release it from the depths
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  Speaker 1: of my subconscious Yeah, I mean I don't really want
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  Speaker 1: to plant that in your consciousness. That's not what I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to have that, But let me try, you know,
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  Speaker 1: non convenually we all have to remember that that song
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  Speaker 1: one like so many awards, and the first verse in
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  Speaker 1: this song the first bar. That's a very generous term
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  Speaker 1: for it. I would say, um is, when I was
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  Speaker 1: in the third grade, I thought that I was gay
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  Speaker 1: because I could draw, which is like I think we
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  Speaker 1: forget about this moment in history. But like it's particularly
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  Speaker 1: ironic because Macklemore fourteen, even though that song feels like
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  Speaker 1: so so egregiously dated. Now, like that song one the
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  Speaker 1: fucking Grammy and he famously won, yes, and he famously
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  Speaker 1: won over Kendrick. And that was the year that he
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: texted Kendrick and screenshine and posted Instagram. It was like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: like just so you know, like you deserve this award,
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  Speaker 1: which like white music artists like as a whole needs
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  Speaker 1: to stop doing like Billy did this to Megan, Like
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  Speaker 1: everybody just needs to stop. Just need to stop. No
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  Speaker 1: one needs to be awarded for anything. No more awards.
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  Speaker 1: But this most recent album of Kendrick's, which I have
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  Speaker 1: yet some muscle through because it's like so long, just
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  Speaker 1: f y. I I will not be listening, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not ill. I'll be finishing it, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to recap at all. Um this song
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  Speaker 1: that he wrote about his trans uncles is called aunties,
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  Speaker 1: and in this song he routinely missed genders his uncle's
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  Speaker 1: like throughout the entire song and also dead names. Caitlyn
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  Speaker 1: Jenner says, and he also says the word faggot like
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  Speaker 1: seventeen times. I'm so happy we're talking about this on
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  Speaker 1: our queer pod, Like everybody knows that. Like the only
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  Speaker 1: person who can say faggot in the course of a
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  Speaker 1: song is Jewel and Jewel. What song was that? I
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: can't remember where She's like, pieces of You, it's you
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  Speaker 1: say he was a faggot, say he was a Fagget's
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  Speaker 1: socking you because she says it's so many times, very
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  Speaker 1: slow and she can't she can't say it. She did,
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: but you can't. Long story short. People are saying, like
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  Speaker 1: cancel Kendrick or whatever, but like I just have to
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  Speaker 1: say it, like this is just plain foolish, Like this
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  Speaker 1: is just stupid. And one he has a pulitzer and two, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar has a pulitzer. And to the irony of
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  Speaker 1: Kendrick basically writing a Macklemore song after being so publicly
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  Speaker 1: kind of subjugated by Macklemore, like made a mockri of
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  Speaker 1: by Macklemore. I just think the irony is too sick. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: that's my complaint on I love to know my love
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  Speaker 1: to know that my identity was denigrated in a piece
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  Speaker 1: of media. I won't be consuming Yeah, and like and like,
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I I don't know Kendrick's relationship to
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  Speaker 1: his uncle's, Like you know, the nuances of having trans family.
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  Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you don't care about pronouns or like whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just like you're doing this on a huge
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  Speaker 1: platform with you that you're doing it for an audience,
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  Speaker 1: and like they don't understand those nuances, Like you should
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: just you should just not Yeah, anyways, Roase, have ever
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: told you about, like how much I love the show
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: Legendary A couple of times? You've watched a few episodes
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: I watched. I watched like two episodes of the first
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: I will say, any of the virgins out there, if
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: you watch the first two episodes of the second season,
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: you'll be hooked into what is one of the great
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: seasons of reality TV I've ever seen. But season three
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: is back. The first three episodes I think dropped and
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: it's so good still it remains like one of my
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: most favorite shows I'll ever watch. Um, I think from
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: the judging to the opening credits, to like the way
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: the stories of all these houses is built, to like
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: the shade, to like the actual dances, and like production
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: value that goes into all these numbers. It's like, over
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: and over again, so good. How has it gotten in
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: terms of the corporatization of it? Because Charlene did fire
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: off a tweet that I thought was funny, which was legendary.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: Season three is like House of Lais Chips. Is that
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: kind of the vibe? I will say. She may be
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: referring to the pool of competitors, which maybe is not
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: as filled with a listers as the second season, which
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: had us about Me in the Hospitalenciaga and a lot
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: of other really crucial players. This most recent season also
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: has a Ja from drag Race in the House of
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: Love Asia, which is really interesting to see her in
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: the context of another reality show wherein she's it's never
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: acknowledged that she was on drag Race. UM. I will
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: say the show actually has proven itself to be an
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: amazing piece of reality TV that is backed and helmed
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: by Ballroom. UM. Obviously, there are nuances and a lot
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: of things that Ballroom community is not happy with in
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: terms of exploitation, or maybe how certain categories are described,
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: or you know, everything gets lost in translation when it
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: goes to reality TV. But the long story short is like,
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: there are tons of people in Ballroom who are writing
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: and producing and across all the different elements of the
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: show to authenticate it as much as they can, and
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: I personally learn a lot from it. She is, and
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, amazing. She She She's She's a
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: great judge. She's a great judge. You know what I
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: just found out recently that I didn't know is that
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: she is going to be the villain in She Hulk.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: That's such a perfect role for her. Oh my god,
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I mean, I'm not a Jamila stand
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: but I regardless of all the cultural baggage that one
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: person might hold, I you know, still want to honor
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's a good judge. UM. I mean, honestly.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: To give an example, like in the most recent episode,
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  Speaker 1: they did a challenge where every team had to showcase
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: a three sixty dip, which is an extremely difficult move
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  Speaker 1: to do, UM, and they had to do it in
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  Speaker 1: front of le Yomi who invented the three sixty. Um,
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: goes live on Instagram every thirty seconds, goes live on
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: Instagram every thirty seconds. We love you girl. Um, but
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: all of those lives. Um. Yeah, but she she's live
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram right now, right now doing three sixties. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Probably she's so amazing. Um. But yeah, she's like god
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  Speaker 1: tier celebrity to And honestly, you could see the nerves
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  Speaker 1: and everybody trying to perform this three sixty. But to
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: be totally honest, it was interesting to see that as
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  Speaker 1: a challenge because a three sixty is not something that
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: like every team needs to have in their arsenal. It's
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: like an extremely difficult move to do. It's basically like asking,
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of ice skating teams to do
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: a triple axel in front of like Marinagatsu. Like it's
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: just not a move that everyone can physically do. Anyways,
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to talk more about the show, like
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: in future episodes like as it goes on, but I
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: must like cast my picks for the versions that like
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: I'm all in for the House of Yogi Yamamoto, but
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: like love the House of Juicy Guitur and the House
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: of Revlon as well. If any virgins are listening, I
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: definitely want to know who your picks are because this
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: is my favorite show. Um also LAMI should have an
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Emmy and maybe DeShawn too, But I think they would
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: be competing against Rue Paul because it's that good luck
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: with that uh speak of the devil. We want the
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: first two episodes of All Stars All Winners season together
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: on Thursday, and you know, I was not sure how
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: this whole Winners thing was going to play out, but
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: it's very good TV. You know. I think it's very
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: smart to have the conceit of the season b that
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: no one goes home because I think, like with bringing
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: a winner back, if you've won that show, you do
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: not want to come back and embarrass yourself or tarnish
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: your legacy. So it does feel like the only circumstances
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: in which those girls would have come back to the show,
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: like knowing that probably all of the critique was going
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: to like lean positive if it happened at all, and
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: that they would be able to stick around for the
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: entirety of the season. But I think the big thing
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: that we have to talk about is snatch game, obviously,
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: and I feel like Jinks in terms of what you're
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: talking about before, Like Jinks specifically is one of those
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: legends that was like, I would never go back to
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: drag Race like ever, ever, and only in this circumstance
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: that's very friendly and very like it's got a very
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: celebratory summer camp reunion kind of vibe, like and they're
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: also there's a lot of money that they can win.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: But Jinks like one snatch game forever, forever, forever, hwer
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  Speaker 1: Judy Garland was I mean and clearly. And when I
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: say like they're in on it, it's like she would
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: not have been able to do that kind of extended
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: snatch game performance if the Snatch game was not kind
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: of set up for it to really be about her. Interesting. Interesting.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: I love then. I love that the theories it's not
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, not like a conspiracy theory. I just mean
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: like she knew. I'm sure there was some kind of
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: production meeting where they were like they knew what she
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: was going to do ahead of time. Yeah, of course
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: they all have to kind of submit their their characters
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  Speaker 1: ahead I and I think they can place bets on
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  Speaker 1: who's gonna win. Like I remember turning to you rose
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  Speaker 1: before the snatch game started, like right before. I remember
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: turning to you and I said, no one has ever
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: done Judy, which is remarkable, and you were like yeah,
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Jinx is the person could do it.
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  Speaker 1: She's the only one that could do it. And by
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: like maybe no, no, shut up. I think only by
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: like a few points did she maybe beat out Alaska
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  Speaker 1: as May West, which is my favorite snatch game of
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  Speaker 1: all time. But like what I'm like trying not to
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: get emotional, what Jinx did was transcendent and her not
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: just like in her jokes and her like you know,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: comedic timing and the nuances of the way she would
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: drop her chin on her hands like this, or like
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: the way she would kind of fiddle with like a
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  Speaker 1: piece of paper like between her fingers, the way Judy
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  Speaker 1: was like everything she did was so Judy, but the
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  Speaker 1: way she sang was better. She sounded like Judy exactly.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: She sounded better than Rene's Alwegger in Judy, like I
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: was it just elevated like this kind of throwaway Judy
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: is a drug addict character vibe of snatch games. Like
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: none of those other girls should have been on stage
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  Speaker 1: with her, like Jinks should if she does not do
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  Speaker 1: like a Judy one woman show after all Stars, she
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: was missing out on making a lot of money because
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: she could do it, Like she could do a one
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  Speaker 1: woman show as Judy, and I would I wouldn't pay
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: to see it, but I would go see it. I
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I would pay to see it. Um, But like I
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: I will say, I thought there were a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other really good snatch games up there. I think the
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  Speaker 1: only people that really boofed it were Shay and ev
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  Speaker 1: I think, um, but he was bad, and like it's
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's just telling that that for how bad people
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: like Shay and Evie were, that they didn't really get
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: negative critiques. It's telling about the parameters of this season
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: because on a normal season they would have got torn
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: up to shreds for those performances. Yeah, I think the
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: judging on this specific season is kind of interesting and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: also on a light touch for sure. It's a light
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: touch for sure. I also, I mean we are seeing
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: some paramount plus budget for those guest judges with Naomi
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Campbell and Cameron Diaz, Like why haven't we people please
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: come back to acting? I want I want the return. No,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: she looks happy she looks happy selling wine and being
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: not an actress. I'm I'm happy for her, even if
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I myself I'm not happy that she's gone. Have you
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: ever tried her wine? No? Have you No? I tried
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: to veer away from all celebrity wines like that. The
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Coppola wines are so disgusting to me. Well, I hate
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: wine famously. You famously hate wine, Um, Cameron Diaz, if
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: you did come on our show, we would gladly about
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: your wine. I don't even know what it's called. Amazing,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure this, Um. I did listen to
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: the new Harry Styles album because I know we talked
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: about before that we both liked as it was kind
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of surprisingly a lot album. To me, it's very like
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: adult contemporary elevator music. I do mean that as a compliment.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: It clearly was made to be TikTok sounds. I like
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the sushi song. I like cinema. I don't know if
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: this is like a weird comparison to make, but it
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: does remind me of Florence and the Machines album How Big, Hublu,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: How Beautiful Like. I think it's really well produced. My
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: sisters are huge, hairy style stands and they really don't
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: like it because I think it's very different than his
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: last album, but like you know, it's kind of boring,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: but like it's very listenable. In comparison to other Harry albums,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I'm much more connected to the music. I think when
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: he emerged on the scene, I didn't really feel acted
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: to his music as much as just like his fashion,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: which we disagree on, and like his kind of persona
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: as a celebrity. I really adore you think. I don't
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: think no, no, no. I would never use the word serve,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I would never use the words certain, but I would
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: say that Harry Styles frequently wears things that I too
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: would love to wear, and I think that I'm not
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. What I'm saying is like
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: his style is just someone is taking a Gucci runway
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: look and putting it on him and there's not a
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: lot of thought there. I agree, but I don't want to.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I would never die on a hill defending Harry like
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that's not where I am. But I will say that this.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I do know that you have bought an item of
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: clothing before because Harry Styles wore it. Though Mama, I've
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: bought three items of clothing because Harry Styles wore it
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: three count it um. I will also say this album
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I think I could only describe as like adorable, Like
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I love the first three songs. I love that the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: song music for a Sushi Restaurant wasn't fired by the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: fact that he heard another one of his songs while
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: he was eating sushi at a sushi restaurant, and like
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the song is kind of like poking fun at himself
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: almost for being easy listening. It's giving adult contemporary the
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: serious x M channel mosaic. It's very that vibe. Closing
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the loop on one more thing you rose you were,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: in fact wrong about me liking The Northman. I'm so sorry.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I went into this movie with like the lowest possible
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: expectations and I loved this movie. That's great. I'm very surprised,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm glad you loved it. I think you I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: think you famously said if you don't, if you're not
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: gonna like conversations with friends, you're not gonna like The
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: North mid Um, which, like you know, very interesting comparison
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for me. I can't remember what your train of thought
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was there. So sorry to take you out of context.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think that you were mostly thinking
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: about my reaction to The Green Knight, which I think
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: is a pretty good comp for The Northman. The difference
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: is that the Green Knight was not interested in having
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a plot. It was interested in like painting a picture,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: where the Northman I think was plot plot, plot, plot plot.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And even though you know the story is very simple,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like it it follows. Yeah, but like I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: felt like it was still felt so fresh, and I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was shook also that there aren't really that many movies
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: out there that are telling Viking Norse mythology stories, Like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Norse mythology is yeah, you know that's through a Marvel
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: superhero lens. Yeah, but like all around just like completely dope,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like Alexander scars Guard is like a fucking hulk of
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a man like that. That was like so much. Body
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Mass is like amazing to watch the entire time. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: didn't tell me that the movie ends in a fight
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to the death in like a pool of lava. In
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the news, it's giving It's giving mountain doom. Literally nude,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they were naked, Like what was that? You hate spoilers?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Why would I have told you? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: appreciate that, and sorry to the virgins whom I just
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: spoiled it too. I don't know why or how or
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: when this was decided, but you are something of an
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: expert on theme parks for sure. I used to when
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I was little. I used to draw the map of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Disneyland from memory were you would for my own? Can
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you still draw it from both Disneyland and Disney World? Yeah?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That the the layout of Magic Kingdom I would know
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: by heart, and Epcot and Hollywood Studios and I'm looking
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: at them one. When I was little, in bored, I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: would draw the maps. There is something really queer about
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like when did you come out? I almost had eleven,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: which is a lot of bold face light nine. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: feel like drawing maps as a kid, like or like
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: roller coaster tycoon type ship, like like invent. I used
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to like design malls, you know, like that was like
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a thing. I feel like, you know, every kid kind
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of wants to be an architect until they figure out
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that math is involved, and then I'm like, at least
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: for me, I was like, no, thanks. I didn't design malls,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: but I went to them a lot, and I still
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: could find my way around my home mall fully blindfolded.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Is that how you are with Disney? Yeah, oh no,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: for sure. Like when I go to any theme park, really,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I sort of take it upon myself to be like
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the leader of the trip, and I will know what
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: everything is oftentimes, if not like intuitively, like oftentimes like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: sense memory will kick in and I'll be like, this
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is where we must go and I used to What
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: really bothers me is when they do refurbishments and renovations
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: without sort of like letting letting, you know, letting the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: girls know, because I'll be like, here's a short cut
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: turn around, and all of a sudden they'll be just
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a wall and I want to ride a shutdown forget it?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Are you? Are you on a schedule? Is it TikTok?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: When you're sore? An itinerary moment? I like to know
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: what's the next thing we're doing. But I don't care
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: beyond that. Also because most of the time, most of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the time when I go to theme park, now I'm
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: how do I say this extraordinarily fucked up? Like I'll
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: go on like half a tab, I'll the theme park
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and like, really fuck it up? I mean, who does
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: like theme park sober like children. I think outside of that,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like who you know, I mean, yeah, you can't. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: think kids. I don't even like to go when there's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: kids around, like I go on the weekday during the day.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: That's that's very smart. That's the last theme park we
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: went to was we went to Universal during the day
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on a weekday and very early. Um. I was very
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I felt very um slighted and maligned and like the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: odd were started against me because Fran didn't want to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: get there as early as I did. Yes, I remember
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: when you when you all did this, like you were like, yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you talked about last coul and you were like, we
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: have to get there one it opens before, it open before.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: But the thing is you didn't know the actual open time.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We got that wrong, and so we showed up ten
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: minutes early. Way and it doesn't mean the plan was right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And we arrived and and um we like it was
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like one of those days where they made the entire
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: crowd waiting outside do a countdown. Yeah, but they did
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: let us in early. Yes they didn't. It was they
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: always do. That's that's sort of a like hack, if
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I might, sort of a a hack life. Half curtain is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: they will always let you win fifteen minutes early, even
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: if the rides don't start until like, let's say eight
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: or nine am when the park opens, Like you can
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: get it early. Get your Starbucks. Yes, I mean, what's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: your first turkey leg of the day. We got We'll
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: get into the we'll get into the food later. What
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: are the parks that are like on your rotation so
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you frequent them? You probably have like passes our memberships
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to some of these. Do you have, like if you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: were to kind of lay out for the virgins, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a tearing of or or ones that you regularly visit.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So virgins, and I really know I'm talking to you today. Um,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: my favorite theme park destination in all of life is, um,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the Universal Orlando Resort. Since this is and bar and grow.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Um it's thank you for saying that, because I'm from Florida,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and I really you know, and so you sort of understand. Intrinsically,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the Disney World is sort of hell yes on Earth,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: which for reasons I will get into and you'll agree with,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I'm certain. But the thing about Universal Studios Florida and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Islands of Adventure is there right next to each other,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and they're also connected via the I'm so sorry Hogwarts
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: express um and so I know, I know, I know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: but we'll get into it. We're gonna get into well, yes,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of course she's something we must tackle today if we're
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: going to talk about this. Because of the revolution that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: happened when HP came to theme parks, I mean, the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: girls are clamoring to catch up. So the reason I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like Universal Studios and Islands of Venture is there right
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: there next to each other, and there's the city walk
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: area where you can eat and hang out. And also
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: they have the rides that are more like that are
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: less for babies, so you actually can go get a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: hashtag thrill and you really could do it all in
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: like one or two days, whereas Disney World is sort
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of um involved, it's involved, it takes months and months
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of planning. I actually get more and more upset every
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: time every single time I go, because it's like so
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: overwhelming in terms of just the endeavor that it is
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to get from one park to another. It's like a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: forty five minute situation, really crowded. Often it gets more
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and more expensive all the time. I mean, and Universal
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you can truly do in well the one here you
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: can do the whole thing in like six hours literally,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But do you remember the gag Because, as I said,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I grew up in Florida, So I remember when Islands
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: of Adventure opened and it was like a paradigm shift.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Was the Islands of Adventures? Like, so it's the big
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: ride at the time when it opened. Was the Hulk Coaster?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: M dueling dragons, epic, amazing rest, power and power. Does
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the Hulk roller coaster still exists? Yes, and it is.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite rollers. So basically, like you
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: are you a coaster person? I so I actually am
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a bit of aversion to the to the theme parks
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in general. Like I've been to Disneyland twice as a kid,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: been to Six Flags maybe once, and then we went
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to Universal for the first time last year. So then
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you did the Mummy roller coaster, yes, which is the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: best roller coaster experience, and you had a fabulous have
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a fabulous But I think I think the Friend could
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: do Hulk. Have you been have you been to do
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the Velocity coaster yet? No? Absolutely amazing, Like I think
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the best theme park ride that exists currently. What do
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you look for? What are your criteria in a theme
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: park ride? What you want thrills, you want chills, you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: want thrills and chills. So definitely thrills and chills. But
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: for me, what's most important is immersion. What's what's most
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: important for me, especially like if you're going to go
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to Disney or Universal, I want to step in and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, every inch of this place is covered
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in detail, Like I love to feel like when I'm
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: when I've chewed my whole edible and my twenty milligrams hit,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I want to feel like I'm in it. I love.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's why I love avatar Land is because they have
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: set the scene. We'll put respect on Disney's name. For
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the World of Pandora, I have to tell you wouldn't
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: exist without world. Okay. So given the back story on
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: this podcast before, maybe or maybe I just explained it
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: to you. So originally Harry Potter World was supposed to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: be at Disney, but J. K. Rowling wanted a train
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to transport people in and Disney said absolutely not. So
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Universal was obviously like, yes, we'll give you a train,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: We'll give you anything. Trans women are men. She has
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: literally like an indignant, like adult child. She's like, I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: want to she wanted a full creative control, and they
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: were not willing and which Disney was not willing to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: do that because they have the whole imagineering structure. And
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: then when Disney started to lose a bunch of attendees
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and money to Universal, they said, we need a hot
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: property that is a similar kind of immersive world. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: they said, what about the highest grossing movie ever made
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: which no one remembers, which, by the way, the Way
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of Water. I can't. I'm so excited to see this trailer.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I thought, I will say this when they sat when
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they announced that they were going to bring Avatar to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the parks, that was like their answer to Harry Potter.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the sense that you were like, this is
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: an iconic flop. And I felt the same way too,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: because I was like, Harry Potter is an entire world,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that Avatar is not an entire world,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: but Harry Potter is a proven eight film like extensive
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: international book series. Not to say that Avatar is international,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: but you'd think like you'd want to at least release
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a couple more of those movies. You want something with
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: more source material. I was proven wrong when I went, oh,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I cried on flight of the whatever stream. Really the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: smell of like the orange that you get as you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: flying over the trees is it is life changing. That's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a lot for something that's essentially you know, furn gully,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: but with like technological imperialists and the way that you're
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you're like writing the thing and you can feel it
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: breathing between your legs. It's giving you. It's given. It's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it's basically it's moving beyond the five senses to also
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a sixth sense, which is like sort of a horny
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: sexual like thing. It's like it's like it's like intimate.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: The sixth sense is horny. It's a beast breathing between
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: your legs. And that's simple the six senses culture. The
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: sixth sense is wrong. Podcast talk about if we're talking
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: about immersion, can we talk about the Universal Studios Tour. Oh?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That was it's just called the the Studio Tour. That
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: was our favorite part of university phenomenal. I like for
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the virgins, like it is like a again all six senses,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Like it is like you know, for d there's like
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: smells and like sprays and like that. I think that
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like the way they I just had never been on
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a ride like that before, where like everything around you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: is like three dimensionally. To go to Orlando, you must
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: take friends. Let me tell you, we're gonna go visit
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: my family and then we're gonna and then we're gonna
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: steal someone's car and go to Orlando. I have to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and do four days. There is this and we have
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to go dead of winter January at Disney Universal. Best
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: time to go, can tell you. I think it's actually October,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: but okay, oh really okay, well Halloween Halloween nights also,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But as a Floridian, you know that was always when
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we went because it was like, I think it was dead.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: There was no tourism. Um. I do love going in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: October and I love going during the holidays. I have
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: trade in Orlando. I have like an absolutely mass of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: man that talks about like getting me pregnant. Everyone. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: feel like it would be everyone. Well, there's also it's
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that people live in Orlando. There's a bunch of colleges there,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and there's a huge international airport, so there's always trade.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And also the thing is like people that work at Disney,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and there's actually not a straight person that works at
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Universal or Disney No, it's entirely queers, and so they're
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: so horny because they're inner child. Yeah, they have to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: be sort of like inner child all day and then
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: when they when when the lights go down at night, honey,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: there's still you know, adult queers. Yeah, but they're still
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: using their baby voice. No, no, no, not not when
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you open grinder in Orlando, it's treasure. Have you ever
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: gotten sucked off at Disney? I've never hooked have you
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: hooked up on any side with Okay, my my ex
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: boyfriend Jared and I went, and my ex ex boyfriend
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Henry and I went, and I think I did I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: ever hooked up there because I felt wrong. It's no,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: not even that we're so tired, like full of meat
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. It's not a horny thing.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: It's it's like you're very shausted and your feet are
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: killing you. You ate trash like you're not trying to pork.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been to gay Days? No with the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: matching shirts. No, I don't really do the matching shirts.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't dress up in March. I don't do that. No, no, no,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you don't do Earbridge too far. It's not that I'm
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: opposed to doing ears, and maybe when I go again
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in several weeks, like I will do the ear. Would
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you do like a Wanda Crown ear? I would definitely
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: do a w I wand ahead and I heard by
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the way California Adventure now has I've seen Picnic and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: she kind of does the hand There's there's no special effects,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: it's just hands. She doesn't handwork. Kids are gonna be like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: where's your or queen. It's like Image and Heap making
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: making beats well, Image and Heap is playing her in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the park. Imagine he's actually booked the gig and very
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: circular because imagine he did the music for the Harry
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Potter play. So it all comes back to University, which
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I almost saw when I was in New York. But
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that's actually a bridge I won't cross with j K.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I I won't support her directly, like I won't support
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: something that she wrote. Okay, so this leads better than us.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: This leads us to a fun um theme park tidbit,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: which is that before j K. Rowling was out as
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a turf, I think before I knew what a turf was.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: When the Harry Potter theme parks had just opened, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: was kicked out of Universal for shoplifting. What did you
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: try to take? I tried to steal a wand because
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I was I was a really good mischief manage, well,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: mischief not manage, because they got Miguel um and that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: is why I transitioned so that I could go back.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: So did the errors come out of nowhere and arrest you?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And did Harry Potter as a cop escort you out
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of the theme park? Like what was the scenario? Yeah,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: they slapped some manacles on me. You were enchanted. They
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: made one of those posters of my face I wanted
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and wizard would you like to connect Wizard? Yeah, they
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: slapped the butter beer out of my hand. Oh my gosh.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: So now you may return and you have returned. I
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: have returned to many times and their facial recognition software
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: can't get me because you know what, estrogen redeposits a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: lot of the fat in your face. Okay, so listen,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: did this happen in Orlando or Hollywood Orlando? Because this
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: was like, this was like two thousand nine. Is it
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: like a lifetime band or is it just like that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they thought it was a lifetime band? But jokes on
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: them because I have a different name. Try it. Try Okay.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: On the Disney of it all, did you have like
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: growing up, did you have like favorite Disney characters that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you wanted to take pictures with you? It's not about
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: characters for me, and I have never you didn't have
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: an autograph of you have to stop you because I
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: did have an autograph book. But even then I knew
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: it was a waste of time. I'm like, I want
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to get online for the rides. I want to I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: want to experience attractions. Okay, we gotta go, we gotta go,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and that that is Whenever I sort of am at
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: any theme park now and I feel myself my shoulders
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: starting to rise because I feel like we're not making
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: good time. I just sort of tried to tell myself, like,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it's okay, you're an adult, you've done it all before,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you can do it again later. It's okay, don't just relax.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: But but it is like there's something about it where
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, the park has a closing
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: time and you gotta keep going. Yeah, and all theme
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: parks are really an assault on the senses, And you
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: became immediately overwhelmed with an assaults on the body. It
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: is it is like going to war being at a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: theme park. Yeah, pretty much. It is a crusade from beginning.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But I just want to ask you, though, what was
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: your favorite thing when you went to you so the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Mommy was your favorite ride? The Mommy was my favorite
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: ride at Universal for sure. I think that the studio
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: tour was definitely a standout. Well, that's like an experience
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: one must have. Yeah, immerses, what did you think of
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Jurassic World. Jurassic World was fine. I feel like, I mean,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know what did you think. I thought it
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was fun. I kind of like classic Jurassic Park more
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: that is because it's the ride of my childhood. I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: feel similarly about the Jaws ride. Thank you, and I
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: really I think that actually this is something so okay,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: there's some background on me is um. When I was little,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: all I wanted to do and become was the one
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: of the skippers on the Jaws attraction. Like I'm actually
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm currently to this day off
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: book on it, but I was for a time off
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: book on it, and I actually did a show at
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: You See Beginning or called You Will Get Wet, which
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: was a half hour spank they called it, which was
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: like a show that you tried to get running at
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the theater. And in it, I played a character that's
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: dream was to do supposed to be on the Jaws boat.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And I actually did the Jaws attraction in the theater,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and Bowen Yang played the shark. Yeah, there's a video
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of it. You can watch it. It's called you Will
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Get Wet. There's video of the whole show. How did
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: both shark? Was it like a cost Well, he played
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it fabulous and he was very scary and he really
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: popped out. And my friend Dave Mazzoni played fire and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: so he was sort of dancing fire and I was
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the skipper and I would take people from the audience
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and put them on a boat and there was water
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: effects and fire effects and sound effects, and I used
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: darkness and flashlights to make the boat house. So this
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: was a full thing that I did because it was
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: so real to me when I was a kid, like
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: only wanting to do that. And so one of the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: big mistakes I think that that theme park chain has
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: made is in destroying their attractions that sort of actually
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: commemorate old classic movies. Your Jaws, Your back to the future,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: which also hurts um and a terminator to I mean
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: getting a place with born identity, which is sort of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a slap in the face. Um. But all these things
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: are now gone, And so whenever I go to what
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: is an extended Harry Potter section, because now the grin
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: goots Bank and all that is where it's so funny.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: They need one at Universal here, they really do, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll figure it out, but it hurts to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: know that I'm in that area where Jaws was because
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it's so formative for me. And I also think if
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you're going to be Universal and not have something themed
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to Jaws, and it can't be that whack thing they
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: do on the studio tour, which is still kind of fun,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: but comparison to your Jaws experience, in comparison to a
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: full five minute experience where you're on the boat and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Jaws is attacking the boat, I mean, this is just
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: something like if you didn't experience it as a child,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: or like until it was closed, like really sad for you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: But here you are holding them accountable. And if you could,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: if you could revive the Jaws ride and work on it,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: would you give up everything you have in your career currently, Um,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: everything but the money. Okay, so we make the same
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: salary working on the Jaws. What I want to do
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: is I want to figure it out on the same
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: level of fame. Yeah, yeah, same level of fame. And
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I'm okay, you feel like you have fan accounts like
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: best for ever. If I could continue to live my
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: life style now and no, it wouldn't get better or worse,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and I would have to do the Jaws ride for
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: rest of my life. I think I could be happy
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: doing that. I think you could too, and I would
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: love to be on that boat. I think I would
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: give you a real thrill. And something I didn't realize
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: is that like I always would go like, especially when
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I was younger, and I was like, these people aren't
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: giving it any energy, Like I don't believe at all
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that they they're not. I would always think I could
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: do a better job than them, And then you realize,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like they do it fifty times in a row, like
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: they have to be speaking at this volume, they can't
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: be actually screaming. I'm surprised you never pushed someone off
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the boat and took the mic. I'm surprised too, because
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: there was no seatbelts on that. Speaking of movie rides,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite rides at MGM Studios was in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the Chinese Theater where you great great movie ride like
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the part with with an Alien where the alien comes
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: out of the ceiling of different was an iconic Sigourney
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Weaver animatronic if you go through all these different movies MGM.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm interested to know what your favorite area of
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Disney is because MGM Studios was definitely my favorite growing up.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: The Tower of Terror is it to? I believe that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the Tower of Terror is is um the world's greatest
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: theme park attraction. That's how we ever seen the movie
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: starring Steve Guttenberger. Of course, of course, um yeah. I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like Rose and I were discussing before you
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: came here that you you will inevitably be immortalized on
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a theme park of some kind. I think I feel
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like all my only goal is to book a film.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: The only reason I'd even want to book like a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: film franchise is to potentially star in a pre show
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: for a theme park attraction, like you know, Philly Serves,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: shot is in Dinosaur And there's just certain actors that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: pop up in these Disney theme park attractions. And by
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the way, Julia Stiles just iconically booked the Born stunt show,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: so she does the whole pre show and when I
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: tell you, I didn't know it was her. And when
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I saw her pop up and she was like, I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Nicolette Parsons, I was like, I absolutely scream. Any think
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: she's just doing it as Julia Stiles, Well, I don't know,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: because also canonically she's dead in the Born films. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: he even says she goes and he thought I died,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: but I didn't, And I'm like, girl, you look dead
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to me. The rides play fast and Loose with Cannon,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they really do? They really. One of the scariest rides
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of my childhood was do you remember I don't know
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: if it still exists at Walt disney World, snow Whites
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Scary than they have updated it to now they don't
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: have that anymore because no, it's now so there's now
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: like a bigger snow white thing us. It's not scary.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: There's no witch at the end. There's a witch at
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the end, and there's a witch throughout. But the thing
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: about snow White Scary Adventures is it was so small,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: like like you were in that tiny little cart and
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like you're literally moving through very small sets. Like that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the cool thing about Fantasy Land, I think, is that
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: when you go in those little dark rides that's what
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: they're called, Like everything is very intimate and small. Like
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: if you ever do um Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, Honey
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Pop the Poppers, like you go to Hell at the end,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it literally ends in Hell and it feels like the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: queerest ride. And it's also so small and like everything
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: that's happening is right on top of you. So in
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that snow White Scary Adventure ride, the witch would pop
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: out and she'd be right there right That intimacy definitely
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: was terrifying to me as a kid. I remember it
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: vividly as a kid, and then I went back again
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: as an adult and I was like, this is absolutely honestly,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the ride is better than the movie. It was called
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Snow White's Adventures, and they had to change the name
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to snow White Scary Adventures because parents would be coming
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: off the ride like what the funk? Yeah, I like
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I like park that is aiming to terrify and traumatize
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a child, of course, because that is a formative experience.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: That we all need. I still feel a little scared
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: atmospherically on Terror of terror do they do an incredible
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Twilight Zone theme song and the fact that they've changed
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it to what Guardians of the Galaxy in Disneyland, but
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: also the mission break up right is a bop? I
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: don't know. I also not been on it. I haven't.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: But I also missed the Aerosmith roller coaster at MGM,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: which it was Arrowsmith there. Yes, it's still there, it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: still standing tall. I haven't been to that in Orlando
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Disney in a while. You actually have to go, because
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Also, the Hollywood Studios is now completely
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: different and they have the Star Wars Land and Rose.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: You have to do Rise of the Resistance. I the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: last time I was at Disney, I tried to do
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Rise of the Resistance and it was like a virtual
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: and you couldn't You couldn't get Star Wars shooter game. No,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it's confusing, it's it's it's they actually don't have that anymore.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: And so now you can just get on the standby
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: line or like pay for like the Lightning Lane, which
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: isn't what they call the fast Past, but the Rise
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: of the resistance is like, first of all, it costs
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: a billion dollars, which we could debate whether or not
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: we needed to spend the money on that, but when
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you're on it, it certainly is what would you rather?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: What would you rather? They have spent the money on
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: public public schools? Of course? Health care? Health care? Yeah,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: do you have if you were to, like, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: design a right on your own or if there is
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: there like a kind of entity where you were like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I wish this was a ride? Have you thought about this?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: You know? What I think they've gotten wrong every single
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: time is Fast and the Furious because they do that
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: stupid little bullshit in the studio tour where it's like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the screens are on either side or whatever. They in Orlando,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: they made that a full attraction and it's so lame
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and stupid. And I was like, if you have the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Fast and the Furious property, like make it a roller coaster.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Make it a racing roller coaster, you know what I mean? Like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a Fast and Furious movie, so I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. But but if you, if you're universal and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you have that property, why are you making it a
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: simulated screen thing? I know, if they had to overhaul
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: dueling dragons, like you know, make it fasten. The fact,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I just feel like it's a waste of a property
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: because it's screaming out to be this like thing. And
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it's also like definitely that company's biggest hit right now,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and I think like they messed it up in terms
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of what they have. So I would say reimagining of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: what fast Nefurious could be, and also I would bring
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: back Jaws and back to the future. I mean to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the Future was iconic. It was also is et does
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that sound still there? Because he actually this is this
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: is the truth about ET. Steven Spielberg said he will
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: end his relationship with the company if they if they
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: demolished that ride, so they have to wait, they have
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to wait until he dies. That is very queeny but
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: also a serve. Like there's a very iconic childhood photo
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of me from the e T Ride. I don't really
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: like that movie though. It's kind of very and weird
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for coming from my childhood. I just it's it's not
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of e T is kind
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of grotesque. I don't remember attaching to this. I couldn't
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: give a funk about you two. Yeah, I don't care.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I just I don't know. It wasn't for me.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, sorry, but I but I I love
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: that for you, genuinely. Sorry, perturb Um. Okay, Matt, I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, obviously pre show isn't it is
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: you know, gonna happen for you. But I also Rose
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and I were talking about how you would probably fit
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: really nicely into like the Disney cinematic universe, Like I
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: think that'll be any I mean, once they allow fast technically,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I am in Fire Island because you know, you know
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that Disney like owns and pays for it. So it's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Searchlight and comes to Epcot Studios. I will be a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: star of it. So wait, I will tell you this.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: This is going to be a spoiler for the movie.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I think I think I am the first person in
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the main cast of a Disney film to get fucked
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: in the ass on camera. Wowow that would be. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's a ride? Is that? Yeah? I was gonna say,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: is that like the end of the ride here it's
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Luke's Bottom Adventure. Love that? But I will say, like
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I don't take that lightly, no, And I don't think
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that that makes me a Disney pretty don't take it,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and I don't take it lately, but I do take
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it bare back from behind in your bottom era of course.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Um Okay, wow, that's amazing. That is a bit of
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a spoiler, but like you know, because I just won't
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: be happy, will be happy about I was thinking more
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: like a I could see you as like a gay
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: James Marsden and enchanted. Actually incredible and very very kind
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of you to say, I really really want that. Yeah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm willing to sell my soul for I know
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that I've got a little taste, like I'm actually here
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: to sell that. I think if that show Once upon
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a Time was still on, like you would be on
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: it as like some a real life version of some
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Disney prints. Do you ever look back at the cast
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: of that show? It's a gag, it's since because they're
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: all super famous now. Sebastian Stan played the Mad Hatter.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I did not know that, my everything, that's crazy. I
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: had no idea did you. Did you have like a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: favorite Disney entity growing up or one that was really
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: formative to you as a kid. Well, when I was
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: really little, I was like obsessed with Little Mermaid and
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that was kind of the one for me. But I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: remember being absolutely terrified of Ursula because I think I
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: was scared of what was inside myself, which is a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: drag queen. Yeah. Well, by the way, you guys know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Crystal Kongman got from Real House was of Beverly Hills, obviously. Obviously,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: so her husband Rob, I don't know if you know this,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: but he actually drew the original prototype for what Ursula
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: was gonna look like because he wasn't he he had
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: a gay roommate and the gay roommate was like obsessed
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: with divine and obsessed with drag queens and like exposing
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Rob to all this, and so they were having a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: really hard time figuring out with the design of Ursula
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: was going to be. And originally she was supposed to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: be more like a a smelt like Cruella de Ville type,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: like like Bitch of the Seed that was the sequel
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: The Mermaid. A Little Mermaids sequel had the sister that
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of like that. Yeah, yeah right, and so
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: um I think also that that became what Vanessa was
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: like when she when she that little ditty, she's like
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: giving you a cunt. I don't even know how that
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: little Mermaid on the ocean will be stunning, incredible, my
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: favorite part of the whole movie. But basically, Rob Minkoff
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: drew the original designed for Ursela that they ended up using,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and so that's actually part of how he proved himself
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: to direct Lion King is because he essentially created Ursela
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and he was the one that was like, we should
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: base it on Divine the drag Queen, and which informed
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: obviously the casting of Pat Carroll, and that's queer history. Absolutely.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I had heard. I knew that like Divine Origin, but
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know was Rob specifically Minkoff. It was Rob Minkoff,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and now it's going to be Melissa McCarthy and I
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: kind of wish it. I kind of wish it was Gaga.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: It absolutely should have been. Absolutely and I'm not taking
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: anything away from Meliss McCarthy, but I know because she
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: will she will, she will eat and tear. But I
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: do think I know how she'll do it. It's kind
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: of vious, and I think Gaga would have found a
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: really psychotic way in I've also heard her poor unfortunate Souls.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Oh are you that? Yeah? I really wish it like
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: we did that as a complete bit and now to
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the point where like I could sort of see them
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: doing it, but then it would be a waste of
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: bow and like Moe probably should play like some bigger part.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: But like I do think like it's it got to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the point where like our managers actually reached out and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: asked and they told in the movie that's a missed opportunity.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's a huge, big mistake. Huge. There's a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: lot of like you know, Disney crannies that you could play.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: There's like Pain and Panic and Hercules. There are, you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: an assortment of henchman if you will. I was there
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: for a Hercules ride or moment. There is gonna be
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: a live action movie, which is shocking to me because
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you just told me that the cartoon was like a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: total flop, which I didn't want because it was my
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was. Maybe this is just because
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gay, but like I never gravitated towards the Disney
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: movies that starred men male characters, like even Aladdin. Ah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I can't. I couldn't really get into it, Like forget
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: about jungle Book, Like I wasn't into them. I was
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: actually I don't really remember this but apparently I was
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: super obsessed with Robin Hood. Well, Robin Hood is hot
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and also iconic socialists, yes, the Bernie Sanders of his time.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I really loved Beauty and the beast that was. That
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: was kind of kind of my favor. I did love
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Little Mermaid and Untouchable. When I was a kid, we
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: had a bunk bed and I used to poke my
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: head through the slats of the bunk bed and pretend
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I was aerial looking out of the porthole of the boat. Um.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And I definitely played Mermaid a lot in the pool.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I put all the silver ware in our house like
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: it's a dingle hop right. I was like, no, that's
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: silver ware and we have to use it to eat,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: So get it the funk out of your hair, you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: fucking filth. I'm just waiting for some TikTok where someone's like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: hair hack, columb your hair with the fork, and it's like,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it's what's gonna happen? Um. My favorite was definitely Hercules
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: growing up. I actually feel like it was sexually formative
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to me as well. You want to yes, well, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you wanted to be Meg. Here's that. I wanted to
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: be Meg, period. No chance no. One of the best
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: songs in like the Disney in the Disney Songbook. Um,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like, uh, young Herk and old Hirk are
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: kind of exactly my types, like my two different types,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: just like you know, really teeny tiny, fragile twings and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: then like men that are so big that they don't
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: care if I live or die. Hercules. Hercules is an
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: M to M trans man, Yes, M Tom love that. Yeah.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Actually yeah, nothing in between though, Like it's either huge
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: or like absolutely could Yeah, he was hitting the human
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: growth hormone a little too hard for sure. That's why
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: it's such a queer story, is that you Herk is
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: on t was on a roll. The only thing he
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: was on was rolling. I really do think that, Um,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I would actually, I'm just going to throw this out
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: there to Disney. I would sell my soul because they're listening, honey.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I would sell my soul to play Hercules. And I
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: feel as a Greek American I have I have claimed
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to that the Kumon and Johnny body plan that they
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: would put you on, that would be that's worth like
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars a month. Like
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to make it my whole year just getting
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: into shape for it. That would be my drink. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: can't go out. I'm getting into shape for herk no drinking.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't have a sip of that alcohol.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Every morning you wake up, you eat forty seven eggs,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: raw eggs, like just like gust On, just like, oh
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: my god, I am. I am so upset that the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: gast On TV show isn't happening, only because of Rita Aura.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I was looking contextualized this. Wait, wait, was it was
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that green lit? And then now, yeah, I was never
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: heard it was so it was going to be it
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: was going to be a prequel starring Gaston and Lafu
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: about I guess maybe them being gay, and Rita Aura
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: was announced to be in it. She did a grid
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: post and then like a week later, Disney was like,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: just kidding, this isn't happening, probably because of timing or whatever.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: All the time like that. This is the difference between
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Disney and like Universal is Disney will rocket their load
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: off being like here's everything that's happening in the next
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: ten years, and half of it won't happen, and Universal
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: will literally build an attraction without announcing it and then
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: when it's done, they'll be like coming soon this and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we've been seeing it. In fact,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: when I went to Universal Um while they were building
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the Veiloscopy coaster, I asked a ride like like a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: person like working a food stand. I was like, when
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: is this opening? Because it wasn't announced, and she goes,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I actually don't know what you're talking about, and I
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: was and I was like, I was like, seriously, like
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you can't tell me, like because because it's not announced.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: She goes, I mean theoretically, like I don't even really
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: know what that is, but like maybe spring summer. And
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: then a little red laser pointer appeared on her forehead
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and she was taken and I was like, mom, a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: blink three times if you need hup. I didn't know
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that there was like a Disney power over the Universals.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: They are so in character at all times, like imagineers
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: love it. At the Pandora World, if you asked them
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: about the movie, they call it the documentary. At Star
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Wars Galaxy's Edge, if you ask them about the Star
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Wars movie, they call them the legends. By the way,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: when when you do go on rise at the resistance,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the spoiler alert, they get captured by the like a
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: first order or whatever. I didn't want to know that,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: just kidding. These theme park rights are full method. That
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: is like sky it's giving and then it's giving. Yeah. Um,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: did you ever work with six Flags? Yeah, for sure
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: did because I grew up in the Midwest and we
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: would take like our class trips there. I remember this
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the it was either a Superman roller coaster or a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Batman roller coaster that went truly like you go up
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: and then you go straight down. You're thinking of. It's
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: called the Chiller, and um it was in a Great Adventure.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get a six Flags Great Adventure in
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: New Jersey? No? Maybe, So that's like the one that
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I grew up around, and it had something called Batman
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and Robin the Chiller, which is one red car in
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: one blue car, which sort of race and one of
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: them went up and down another one like did like
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: a flip. But six Flags, I mean that is the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: roller coaster haven. Like, if you want to go get
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: absolutely tossed and turned, you go to six Flags, either
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Magic Mountain or Great Adventure. That's West Coast, East Coast,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and then all the other ones are sort of like
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: second tier. Um, how much acid do you think like
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: the six Flags marketing exects did in order to invent
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the six Flags Guy, because that was like absolutely a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: moment in culture. I think he already I think he
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: already other commercial was the six Live commercial. I think
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: he already existed and six Flags was kind of built
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: around him. Yeah. Yeah, that makes more sense than them
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: coming up with him as a result of like, well
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: we have this part, who do we get to be
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the face of it? He's like an immortal entity that
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: has existed since the dawn of time. And also that
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: insane song that Benga like they picked. I think it's
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: crazy because it is objectively the most annoying song in
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, it's also so fun. We were just
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: listening to it when we were in josh Are on
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: vacation last week by the pool, and it was kind
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: of the moment. It's hyper pop. It invented hyperpop. It did.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: It is Charlie x X. There is no Charlie x
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: X without and that's actually a little culture. There is
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: no name. Probably Daddy. Have you seen Katie Katie Gavin
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: from Muna's um six Flags Guy costume for Halloween this year,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: she and her sister who I think she's her sister
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: is younger, but like they look exactly the same. They
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: were both the six Flags guy with like you know,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I can see that that's for her, and it was
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: hunting chilling. They played the Thing Boy song at least
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: three times. I didn't spend a lot of time at
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: six Flags, but outside of going to Disney and Universal
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: a lot growing up, I spent a lot of time
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: at state fairs and Renaissance fairs. Yeah, that was less
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: my situation, but I definitely whenever there was like, um,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: like an amusement park for a day, like they would
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: set it up in town, I was always like extremely
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: unconcerned about this with the safety. I was like, no,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: no, no no, we're going and we're doing everything. That's great.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: And now it's like you kind of get the sense
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: that accidents happened there all the time. It's like full
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: carniv Nightmare Alley Boots scarier than Nightmare. All we'll get
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: more deformed. You ever been in a dunk tank? You
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: know what? I've done a dunk tank. I've been dunked
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and I would never do it again because, like I
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: genuinely feel like it's just like if it's like signing
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: up for an ear infection. Yeah, it's genuinely dangerous. It's like,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: let me here, let me opt into something that will
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: be painful for me and potentially cause hearing loss. Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do it again because I delve
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the water is chlorinated and I know the second I'm
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: hitting the water, I'm pissing. Yeah, so of course I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: almost everybody of water, so do I Frand wouldn't let
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: me pee in the pool at our Joshua? Why? I
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I wasn't a cop about it, but I was like,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: you know, the toilet is literally right there. You're going
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to love it. Yeah, I mean, look, I I'm need
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to drink piss consensually, but maybe not in a pool
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: of chlorinated water. It becomes the water. Yeah. What's your
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: favorite food to eat at a theme park? Because I
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: think food is a very important part of the experience.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Chicken fingers is a great answer. Chicken fingers on like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: a basket of fried scenario. Absolutely, there really some buffalo
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: sauce and some barbecue. It's a good food to have
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to be mobile. If you're walking around walking hold a basket. Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you can wait in line for a ride while eating
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: chicken fingers. I I love a turkey leg the same.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: But also the thing about the turkey leg is I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: always think they're better in theory than practice because they
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: really are a mess. There's so much more of it
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: than you could ever imagine, and they're kind of like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: stringy and like you have to do a lot of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: teeth work, and there's no way to eat it sexy. No,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: there's no way to eat it sexy. I think we
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: can try. I would actually surprised. Oh I I literally can.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: But wait. The thing about turkey is it has tripped
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: a fan you want and tired. I love that you
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: that Oh wow, you've been sending so much time around bow.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: You know your chemistry? Um, okay, b used to be
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: a chemistry major. He mean he not even used to be.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: He is and forever will best degree in chemistry. I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: didn't even know he finished it. That's so funny. I
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: think he has like a Bachelor of Arts in chemistry,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: though he has like he doesn't have like a Bachelor
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of Sciences. He has a big fat as chemically. No,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's a true thing. Though I think he
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: has a b a. In chemistry, and I don't know how.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's because I don't know exactly how that works,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: but I'm almost positive that's what chemistry is an art
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: form if you think about it, I wonder what you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: need to study to be an imagineer. I, well, it's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: actually so much more engineering than you think, because that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Well no, but literally, like I always thought,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: like when I was a kid, because I would always
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: be on Real Question Tycoon and think I want to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: do this for a living with and then you find
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: out exactly what it entails. And it's not like you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: brainstorm and like, Okay, what can Cinderella get up to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: in this theme? It's like it's not about co sign,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: tangent or whatever the fun. Yeah you are you actually
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: actually have you ever thought that you were going to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: die on a ride? Because I have. I think I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: was going to die, you know what. Okay, this iconically happened,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: um when I was on well, when I was on
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: X two at six Flags. That is the scariest ride
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I've ever done. But I also I have been skydiving,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: so I've actually done things that have been close to death.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: But thematically I remember when Bowen Yang, Dave Mazzony and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I went the three of us to Disney World, like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: probably five or six years ago. We Dave had made
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: these rice Crispy treats that were that had marijuana in them,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: and they were I've never been more high in my life.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: And we were just truly like slobbering and making noise
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: the whole time, and we were having so much fun.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: But we got on the Tower of Terror and it
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: broke down halfway through, like right after we as as
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: canonically in the car had entered the Twilight Zone, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: so that's the scariest part where you could break down.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: And literally we were so high and just like sitting
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: there and like it's dark, and we had we had
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: committed so hard to the reality that literally someone like
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: we were sitting there for like five minutes and it
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: was full dark, and we're again in the Twilight Zone.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: So we're sitting there like literally baked, and someone just
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: comes in like enters the frame and we were like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: excuse me, sir, and they were like, hey, so you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: guys have to just get out of the car and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: walk into the set and come down with us, And
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: like I was just like that's walk into the Twilight Zone.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: They were like, they were like, yeah, yes, we have
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to walk into the pilots and like the Disney person
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: is still like half heartedly keeping it up and also
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: like come on bags, let's go, and so we were like,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: oh my god, like as the girls coming again us,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: we seriously walked out, stepped off the set into literally
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: like an industrial looking elevator area and I was like,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: oh fuck, like and they're like, yes, when I go again,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and we're like, yeah, I guess. But then none. It
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: was forever ruined because you know, it's not really the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Twilight The illusion was broken and broke my buzz. Maybe
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift will have a theme park, you know
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: someone actually someone on Twitter like made of tell us
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: sort of theme park. You've got to find it, and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: they drew the whole map for it and described all
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: rise like based on all of her like songs, and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: it was fucking great. It was so much fun. That
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: would have a market, I mean more so than Tyra
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Banks Model Land, which was also supposed to happen, but
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: like that, I think like a tailor theme park. Was
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: that a casualty of the pandemic that that didn't happen. Well,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I don't remember we talked about We talked about it
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: on a previous episode, but I don't think it was
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: a pandemic casualty. I think it was something that just
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: didn't happen, because it sounds insane. I mean you think
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: you think to yourself like, oh, she's a singer, she
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: can't have a theme park with them. But have you
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: been to Dollywood? Because so good I've heard. It's not
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: what you want to know, it's so fun. It's actually
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: it was so surprising because I went expecting like a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: little rinky dink kind of state fair thing, and it
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: is a full on theme park. And my favorite ride
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: was there is a mining roller coaster that's like a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: dark ride, and it was so fun, and the theme
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: park is huge and expansive. And I was there right
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: before Halloween, so it was all dressed for Halloween. And
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I also met Dolly like three times. So I can't
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: believe you went to Pigeon Forge. Well, it was for
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: it was a it was a press thing. It was
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: for the junket for her Netflix show, So so it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: was like we interview Dolly heart Strings day one. We
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: interviewed Dolly. Then the next day we got a full
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: free day at Dollywood, and then the next day was
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the premiere of heart Strings, which was at Dollywood. That's amazing,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: she an absolutely, She's so fun, so such a legend,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: so sweet. Clocked me immediately. It was great, love it. Wow.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I mean we have to go at some point, we do.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I've heard also that like the patrons of Dollywood are
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: like shockingly diverse, like you would kind of gore. Didn't that?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Oh really, I heard that it's very very very like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: giving red stake. That was not my experience. I mean
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: maybe it was because I was there with a bunch
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: of journalists, but like I did see plenty of patrons
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: who were, you know, like who seemed queer. Um. They
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: did give us all Dolly bucks to spend, which is
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: a currency that exists there, and we were able to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: spend it on food, but I ended up not using
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: any of them, so I gave them to some very
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: nice gaze that I saw Dolly buck to like usd
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: like conversion. I think Dolly Dolly bucks are are better start.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: That's what a crypto also have. They have like and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: they have like one of the world renowned best wooden
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: roller coasters, in the country. I went on, you love
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: love a rickety Racketty, I love a rickets And they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: have a replica of Dolly's childhood home that might in
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: my Tennessee Mountain home. So cool that would actually make
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: me weep, and I'm not I say that with no physicians.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like the size of this studio and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: right now, So that's really cool. I mean. Also, the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: thing that's cool about her is like she completely supports
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the ecosystem of that whole city that the park. So
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: she basically literally revolutionized her hometown with that and like
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: people their work and you know, revolutionized and radicalized. And
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: she told them all to read basically, I mean, she
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: has that literacy program. We're all going to Dollywood to
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: that code of Many Colors, more like city of many
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: employed people is going to take us straight to Dollar
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: is getting is driving off a bridge and you know it.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: If you do go to Orlando and you only have
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: a short amount of time, make it stay at the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Universal Orlando Resort because if you stay in a good
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: hotel there, you use your room key to get to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: the frontal line on every ride. He doesn't for the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Virgin And is that no code Virgin and make sure
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: you tell that to all the ride off exactly what
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: you're talking. But if you stay at a hard Rock Hotel,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: the Portofino Bay Hotel or the Royal Pacific Hotel, any
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: of those three, which are really good hotels, you get
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: to stay right on the resort and you're very close
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: to theme parks. And if you show them your room
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: key at the front of every single attraction, almost they
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: let you to the front of the line. And it's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: only those three hotels or you just like those three, Wow,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: that really is a hack. Any other prescriptions for Universal
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Lower six flags or anything like that. For versions Mary Walk,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you have to Mama, just don't look back back at
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Margarite of Ville City Walk. It's an absolute dream. And
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: joy I also would say, um, the Tooth Somems Chocolate Emporium,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that's very good for all my people that want sweet
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: and savory. Yeah, what's the candy store that's there. It's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: sugar sugar that horrifies me. And then in the theme
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: park itself at Islands Adventure, there's a really cute restaurant
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: called Mythos, which is right next to which in the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Lost Continent area. Wait Poseidon's Adventure. It's open again. It's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: open again. Shut that one down for years because of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the pandemic. It's so fun, although I wish it was
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: something that was you were moved through rather than having
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: to walk. You do have to walk through it, but
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that that ride actually has like iconic acting. It does
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and there's never a line. This is universal Yes Adventure,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Okay Aventure, Poseidon's Fury. Basically, it's a battle between the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Poseidon and his enemy. That's all I'll say. It's given
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: kind of like the universal version of the Haunted Mansion,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: but not as fun, and you have to walk through it. Okay.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Verdicts on the Haunted Mansion, Love Love Love, Pirates of
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean. This is my most controversial opinion. Parts of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean is such an iconic flop to me, the ride,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the ride. Do you hate the movie as well? I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: can't stand. Oh, I'm not the ass fell asleep during
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: dead Man's Chest You this is actually you don't understand
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: how important Parts of the Caribbean is too, Rose like.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I watch it once a quarter. I feel Here's what
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I'll say. I like the like the first movie more
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: than I like the franchise. The first movie, I think, yeah,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: it's all about Curse of the Black Pearl, right, so
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: that one I like, I can't stand the sequel and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: the ride bores me to death. I love the ride.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: That's it's okay that we have a different opinion, even
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: even though we have established that I am the Rose
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: of Lost Cultures. But we're here. It's like in the multiverse,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: it's like we can't and you will understand after you
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: see this movie. We we are at war, you know.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I think there's probably a multiverse version of me that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: stands part of the Caribbean. Probably probably think as in
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: every universe, I love it. Okay, Well do you know
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that because I'm the Scarlet witche and well, you would
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: actually be America shop Is. I think if you have
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the ability to go through universes. I'm so obsessed with Wanda.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I loved one division so much. I don't want to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: see her become the villain, or do I do? I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: read really bad reviews and I didn't agree with them,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: and I walked out of the theater. Can I say
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: something about reviews? They're wrong all the time. They're wrong
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: all the time, like and now being in things that
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: are getting reviewed either reviews, and I'm just like, what
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like, and I'm just I feel
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: so stupid forever being like like sending a review to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: like my group chat and be like, oh, I guess
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: this sucks. Like they're wrong all the time, and they're
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: wrong when they say things are good, and they're wrong
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: when they say things are bad. And you want to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: know what it is. This is review culture. No one
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: wants to put out a review about most things, which
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: are yeah, this is fine, there's good things about it,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and there's bad things about it, because that won't go
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: viral online. Because viral online is this is the greatest
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: film of the year with a transformative performance by Lady Gaga,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: or this is the worst piece of should have all time.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Lady got should go to jail like those two genders.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But that's the binary. People don't realize that she should
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: be in jail for genius, for being If I said
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: she's too powerful, she is the scarlet. She has the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: scarlet which all the which I do feel even stronger
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: about after seeing the whole my Hand music video, which,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: as France said, is basically just a Charlie incarnate performance. Yeah,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: it was like Charlie shipping her handed down. I really
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: think she should date Tom Cruise. I think they would
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: be such a power that makes no sense to me.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think she can date someone that insecure, do you?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean? I saw that photo
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: of her kissing him on the cheek and she described
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: him as her good friend, and I was like, oh wow,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: this is officially the arrow. We're in, a Lady Gaga,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: like full on Hollywood sell out, like kissing kissing this
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: like maniacal villain on the on the cheek. I'm going
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: to write fan fiction about them. I really believe in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: their loves. Sure, I mean, if they were to start dating,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be it wouldn't be out of left field
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: for me. No, we would feel a little bit like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: an arranged It would feel like an industry blog. I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: would feel arranged because nothing he ever does is as
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: arranged as Gee Flip and Crusie Stoles and selling Sunset.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's arranged. No, I mean, I'm
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: just I did listen to hold my hand on the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: way here, and I will listen to it on the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: way home. So he is the thing. The first time
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I listened to it, I was like, Oh, this sucks
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: and it's so first thought and it's like whatever. It
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't even feel like top Gun to me. It's like,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't reference take my take my breath away. It's like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: not giving me what I need. And I feel like
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: she just wrote a ballad for any movie. And also
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I think she's like over singing it. But then I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: listened to it a second time and I was like,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: this is kind of in the best song of all time.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: It's like it's doing that to me where I'm just
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: really torn in both directions on whether or not it's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: like acceptable, and I think I'm gonna love It's my
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: favorite Jo doing Born This Way drag and I love it.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: But don't you feel though, like sometimes like when I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: heard Shallow for the first time, I was like, yeah,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: no denying that, but that's the one, and I felt
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: like I hadn't heard anything like it before from her.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, hold my hand. I feel like it's like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: a ballad that could have been on Born this Way.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: What I was telling Rose, I feel like it it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: sounds like seven other songs that probably it probably was
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: something that was or she wrote it in five minutes
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: and like Top Guns, Original Labs, ad and that's all
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: it needs to do. Not no, I mean, but I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's like I don't know what's been the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: best movie song to come out lately. Shallow Literally that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: was that to me is the most recent, Like I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: can't think of another. I want to say, while we're
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: talking about Disney fucking justice for Into the Unknown? What
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: is that? It is a very good song, um, Adina,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: you know, a huge presence among us. Um. I think
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: it's great. It's no let It Go. I think it's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: no let it Go. But also imagine knowing you had
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: to follow up Let it Go and you come even
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: that close and you're Adina, who's already your whole career
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: is about following up the iconic thing that you just did. Um.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I do think Show Yourself is a better song than
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Into the Unknown. You know what. Show Yourself actually surprised
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: me because I was like, Wow, this like dropped in
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: more introspective moment and there's the yeah, the moment with
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: the mom then it's like where she realizes she's really good.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: But I will say, just like that line Into the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Unknown where she says, um, don't you know this part
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: of me that longs to go into the not I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: was just like, lungs to go there's part of me
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: that longs to go into the unknown. I was like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: the lyrics, you know, is there a Frozen ride? Yes,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: it's an epcot. Okay, it used to be Maelstrom the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: ride there in the Norway Pavilion with the trolls. They
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: have now turned that into Frozen ever After Rosen never After,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: sort of a riff off of Carrie Underwood's ever ever
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: After from Enchanted and got it ever ever After from Enchanted.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: That was a moment, as it was the music video
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: where she's walking down the street, the iconic key change
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: in the second chorus ever ever And it's not smart.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: It's weird how we culturally forgot about like enchanted. I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: didn't just enchanted coming honey. I remember watching Amy Adams
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: performance like at the Oscars that You're and being like,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: who is that was so brave. First of all, two songs,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: two or three songs nominated from Enchanted that You're at
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: the Oscars. There's the one so Close and yes, that
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: one that that guy sings. Kristin Chenowith came in. They
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: gave her a whole fucking fanfare. They lifted around on
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: a chair. How does she know that whole thing? Then
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Amy Adams, I said to do happy working song. You're
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: going out there cold by yourself nothing, and like barely
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: she she committed to that and did it, and I
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: was like, left her for dead. That had to be
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: so hard. No, so at the time, she was like,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: she had an Oscar nomination from June Bug, but she
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't like a big star. I didn't know she had
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: a nomen by that point, but I had never heard
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: of her. Remember june Bug performance booked her enchanted, no way,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: that's crazy, but it makes complete sense, honestly, and it
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: was a It was a true like theater kid performance,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Like it reminded me of wind God. I did the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Sound of Music moment, one of the I think most
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: important moments in her career. Oscar performance. It totally re
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: contextualized Lady Gaga and made her into someone that people
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: took seriously. After she had done American Horror Story. She's like,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: it's it's post art pop when she was like kind
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: of flopping and that Oscar's performance is why we have
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: pulled my hands. Fat, nasty and Broke, I would came
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: on this bench as hell. You know what's funny, It's
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: like both Gaga and Beyonce really tried the Oscars thing.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Remember that year when Beyonce performed like all the nominated
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: songs with Hugh Jackman, right, or was that when he
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: was Josh Growben sang with her once and then she
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: did the song in French, and then she sang Learned
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: to Be Lonely from Phantom of the Opera, which was
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: a mini driver song from the movie, and they were like,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: maybe you're not because she famously did not sing in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: the movie. She did do that original song, she just
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't in the movie. Well like you dare school on
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Fantom of the Opera in my house. Well no, Beyonce
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: was like very much at the Oscars for several years
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: in a row. She had a residency. She was like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: was her Vegas resident. She was giving Oscar's performer there
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: for a while. And then obviously Listen was nominated. She
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: did the whole dream Worls thing, etcetera. But Gaga to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: like worked the Oscars because people forget she probably should
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: have won an Oscar for until it Happens to you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: And now that should have been Diane Warren's Oscar Wimen
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: and now the people that have residencies is like it's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: like her. You know the music artist her, She's played
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she as as Hunter Harris of Ladies and
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