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Chuck & Buck 12-2 Hour 2: 12th Man News with Gregg Bell, Holiday Analytics and CFB shakeups! · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones backteep to receive this punt from Jamie Gillen,
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  Speaker 1: the veteran left footed putter. He gets this one off.
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  Speaker 1: It's a high booby kick. Jones assesses back pedals to
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  Speaker 1: the seven on the near side. He gets it to
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  Speaker 1: the ten out of the fifteen, sprints the twenty along
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  Speaker 1: the numbers to the thirty outside of the forty, and
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  Speaker 1: Gillan slows him down for a second.
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  Speaker 2: He breaks all the sidelights.
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  Speaker 3: Thir twenty fifteen, ten all the way.
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  Speaker 1: Touchdown Marcus Jones.
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  Speaker 3: Somehow he stayed in bounds ninety three yards and the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots expod a nine to nothing lead here in the
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  Speaker 3: first quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Westwood won on the call.
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  Speaker 3: Monday Night Football Last nine New England Patriots went over
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  Speaker 3: the New York Giants snow surprise there, thirty three to
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  Speaker 3: fifteen in a mostly unwatchable game.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I didn't watch it.
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  Speaker 3: So that's where we start with our frostbrewed course light headlines.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that these days we're guaranteeing that we
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  Speaker 3: are human. But I will tell you this little known.
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  Speaker 2: Sacred about chucking back in the mornings.
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  Speaker 3: One of the three of us is not a human.
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  Speaker 3: I'll leave that to your own speculation out there. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying that where somebody's sub human, maybe they're superhuman,
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  Speaker 3: but somebody here is not on the up and up.
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  Speaker 2: So sorry about your guarantee. iHeart you should checked in
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  Speaker 2: with the Morning Show for such a bold statement.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, I was speaking so sorry.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't even have a meeting about it. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't on your phone.
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  Speaker 4: Thank goodness, sir.
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  Speaker 3: There's some things happening in your business that you're not
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  Speaker 3: aware of. Seahawks take on the Falcons on this Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk to Greg Bell about that in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: College football playoff penultimate rankings come out tonight. Selection Sunday
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  Speaker 3: is this Sunday following conference championship week. Rick new Isel
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  Speaker 3: joins us at nine o'clock this morning to discuss that
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  Speaker 3: Cracking versus Edmonton Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: It is a cracking ticket.
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday, not for the Edmonton game, but for the Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles Kings on the tenth of December. So be listening
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  Speaker 3: for your opportunity to win a pair of tickets to
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  Speaker 3: see the Crack and take on the Kings. When you
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  Speaker 3: hear that audio sounder and it's gonna happen every hour.
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  Speaker 3: Be the tenth caller at two oh six, two eight six,
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  Speaker 3: ninety five, ninety five and win a pair of tickets
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  Speaker 3: to see the Kraken versus the Kings. And we are
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  Speaker 3: five days away from Major League Baseball's Winter Meetings.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully we're gona.
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  Speaker 3: Have some time talk about that for the end of
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  Speaker 3: the show today, because I got some things to say.
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  Speaker 2: But right now we're gonna hear what Greg Bell has
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  Speaker 2: to say.
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  Speaker 5: With the bell tolls, it must be seven o'clock and
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  Speaker 5: time for twelfth Man News with Greg Bell, brought to
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  Speaker 5: you by Copola Diamond Collection Prosecco, Chris Sparkling with bright
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  Speaker 5: only with Coppola Diamond Prosecco. Now with twelfth Man News,
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  Speaker 5: here's Greg Bell with Chuck and back.
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  Speaker 6: Is that there, Girl, Tree, Girl Tree, My daughter got
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  Speaker 6: to oh, okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 7: I have a daughters five to six. We gotta treat this.
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  Speaker 6: She was able to stand and put the star on Papa,
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  Speaker 6: but she still needed a ladder to do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: because she was home from Connecticut Ghost Part Academy for Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 7: We when got the tree on Friday. That's a look
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  Speaker 7: at that family.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that, look at that. Everybody, everybody on the
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  Speaker 3: show has the tree up. And look, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: you should have done it as early as what I did,
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  Speaker 3: but I think maybe I influenced you to all put.
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  Speaker 2: It up a little earlier.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah before check, Yeah, Saint Patrick's Day day, after Saint
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  Speaker 8: Patti's Day.
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  Speaker 2: That's when you take it down.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, all right, well let's uh, let's get right into it.
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  Speaker 3: As the Seahawks coming off another nice impressive win. Certainly
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  Speaker 3: we discussed a lot of things yesterday Seahawks related, but
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  Speaker 3: there is a lot more left on the plate here
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  Speaker 3: that we can now devour on this Tuesday, And.
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  Speaker 2: This might be the last last week.
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  Speaker 3: I know, we don't want to jump the gun and
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  Speaker 3: start breaking down the Falcons too much just yet, but
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  Speaker 3: this might be the last of the you have to win,
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  Speaker 3: not have to, but you should win this game pretty easily.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks that the Seahawks are going to have, because the
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  Speaker 3: schedule does get tougher after the Falcons on Sunday, it does.
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  Speaker 6: They have one of the tougher by winning percentage tougher
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  Speaker 6: remaining schedules among all the playoff contending teams in the NFC,
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  Speaker 6: and I mean Atlanta, they've lost their quarterback, Michael Pennix
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  Speaker 6: Junior is injured. As soon as that happens, your season's
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  Speaker 6: going south. That's almost always the case, and that you
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  Speaker 6: can start there in the Seahawks again, this is now.
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  Speaker 7: Cam Ward is a rookie.
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  Speaker 6: Quarterback with a terrible offensive line for Tennessee. Then an
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  Speaker 6: undrafted rookie from four years out of New Hampshire making
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  Speaker 6: his first NFL start in Max Frosmer the other day,
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  Speaker 6: and now they backup quarterback. I know it's cousins, and
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  Speaker 6: I know it's the there's some veterans that the Falcons
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  Speaker 6: have behind Penix, but it's not in their plans. But
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  Speaker 6: Atlanta does have a defense in a pass rush, and
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  Speaker 6: they have really remodeled their pass rush in the last
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  Speaker 6: couple of years. That has been the one thing that
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  Speaker 6: has hurt them the most, and they've gotten much better
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  Speaker 6: getting to the quarterback. And we've seen what happens to
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  Speaker 6: teams that get to.
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  Speaker 7: Sam Darnold, and that remains.
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  Speaker 6: The biggest problem for Seattle, no matter who they're playing,
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  Speaker 6: and no matter who's the quarterback. The opposite of Donald
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  Speaker 6: is him holding onto the ball. But yeah, to your point, Chuck,
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  Speaker 6: they should win this game to be ten and three,
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  Speaker 6: and they could be ten and three, and we still
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  Speaker 6: don't know how good they are because they haven't beaten
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  Speaker 6: the Rams and the forty nine ers. And I know
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  Speaker 6: I'm signing a broken record in a little bit of
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  Speaker 6: a rain cloud, but them's the facts. They're trying to
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  Speaker 6: win the NFC West and the two teams they have
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  Speaker 6: to win have to beat to win the West, they
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  Speaker 6: haven't beaten yet. But now they get them both and
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  Speaker 6: they're gonna have to beat them both over the last
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  Speaker 6: six weeks. They've got the Rams after so it goes Atlanta,
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  Speaker 6: then they come home from back to back home games
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  Speaker 6: in five days between the Colts, and then that rematch
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  Speaker 6: with the Rams on December eighteenth, And it's easy to say, well,
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  Speaker 6: that'll be for the division title, nah, because San Francisco
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  Speaker 6: is nine and four. They're on there by this week
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  Speaker 6: at the latest pay you could possibly have if they
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  Speaker 6: keep winning, that's the game for the title in the
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  Speaker 6: final week of the season, Week eighteen, and Santa Clara,
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  Speaker 6: of course, the.
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  Speaker 7: Seahawks have to keep winning too.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, Atlanta, the Colts and Rams at home, and
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  Speaker 6: all of a suddenly that Week seventeen game at Carolina,
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  Speaker 6: that's a trick. We saw what the Panthers just did
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  Speaker 6: in Charlotte to the Rams. Suddenly Carolina is seven and
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  Speaker 6: six and they may be contending for a playoff spot
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  Speaker 6: on that Week seventeen game before the Seahawks go to
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  Speaker 6: Santa Clara.
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  Speaker 4: Gee.
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  Speaker 8: The I mean, this season is different where no one
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  Speaker 8: has really just kind of taken it. Or again, different
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  Speaker 8: teams have taken the moniker of the best team in
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  Speaker 8: the NFL, or they look like it inevitably like the
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  Speaker 8: Rams this week, then they end up getting beat and
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  Speaker 8: all of a sudden they're knocked off their pedestal. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: the Seahawks have been in that conversation a couple different times.
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  Speaker 8: The Eagles were in that conversation, and so it's really
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  Speaker 8: a lot of teams that are kind of you know,
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  Speaker 8: four games over five hundred and yet I'm guessing that
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  Speaker 8: this team feels like they're the best team in the NFL.
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  Speaker 8: I mean I think that it's there still is work
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  Speaker 8: to be done, but they kind of control their own destiny.
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  Speaker 8: Go out there and take care of business, play the
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  Speaker 8: way that you've shown you're capable, and let the chips
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  Speaker 8: fall where they may once you get into the dance.
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  Speaker 8: But would you say that, do you think that right
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  Speaker 8: now that the Seahawks think they're the best team in
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  Speaker 8: the NFL.
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  Speaker 6: They know they statistically they're second third and most of
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  Speaker 6: the metrics, but they know they have perhaps the best
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  Speaker 6: defense in the NFL. And if you have that, you
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  Speaker 6: can win anywhere. Defense travel, defense plays through any whether
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  Speaker 6: you've heard all the cliches about defense, that's how Mike
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  Speaker 6: McDonald has built his team.
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  Speaker 7: And that is the OBVI it's strength here.
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  Speaker 6: So they they feel like they have the best defense,
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  Speaker 6: They feel like they have the best defensive line, they
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  Speaker 6: feel like they have the best secondary, which still isn't
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  Speaker 6: healthy yet. We don't know if Julian Love is going
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  Speaker 6: to come back to practice like he's eligible too this week.
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  Speaker 6: He was eligible to last week and his hamstring wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 6: And then they have Ernest Jones at linebacker and you
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  Speaker 6: saw what he just did in the game against Minnesota.
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  Speaker 6: Let's look at the teams in the NFC and you
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  Speaker 6: tell me, can the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 7: Claim that they are the best or not one of
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  Speaker 7: the best.
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  Speaker 6: The Bears, yeah, they're nine and through. They're the number
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  Speaker 6: one seed right now. In the heart of hearts, I
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  Speaker 6: know Caleb Williams having a great season. Ben Johnson has
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  Speaker 6: transformed that offense and gotten Williams to not turn the
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  Speaker 6: ball over and they're running the ball like.
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  Speaker 7: Anybody best in the league right now.
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  Speaker 6: But if you really cornered somebody in the Seahawks soccer
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  Speaker 6: room saying, if you had to go to Chicago with
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  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl on the line for the NFC title,
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  Speaker 6: how would you feel about that? They'd say, we'll take that.
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  Speaker 6: The Rams are, like Bucky just said, they were the
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  Speaker 6: Cats me out until they went to Charlotte the Eagles.
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  Speaker 6: You would think the way the Eagles looked against the
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  Speaker 6: Bears and the way the fans in Philadelphia were treating
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  Speaker 6: them that they're like four and eight, they're eight and four,
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  Speaker 6: but they're falling. And then the Buccaneers that the Seahawks field.
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  Speaker 6: They absolutely gave away the game two. They're the four
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  Speaker 6: seed right now, and in fact, the Seahawks would play
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  Speaker 6: the Buccaneers if they don't win the division. The way
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  Speaker 6: that the current standings are five verses four. Then it's
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  Speaker 6: the Packers and the forty nine ers. So on those
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  Speaker 6: lists they're all flawed in some ways. But yeah, to
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  Speaker 6: answer Bucky's question, I think they have a legitimate say
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  Speaker 6: of we can do this because of that defense, the
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  Speaker 6: way the defense plays, and if it can't play in
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  Speaker 6: the way it is, they can withstand a lot. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know against the Rams and the forty nine ers
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  Speaker 6: if they can withstand Darnel turning the ball over, but
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  Speaker 6: they can withstand.
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  Speaker 3: A lot our sarks inside of Greg Bell is whether
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  Speaker 3: you can follow him at gmail, Seattle on x and
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  Speaker 3: of course the News Tribune dot com for complete Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: coverage every single day. This game was lopsided, but it
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  Speaker 3: was also the game where Sam Donald, without question faced
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  Speaker 3: the most pass rush pressure of this entire season. So
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  Speaker 3: what's the latest on Jalen Sundell and despite Mike McDonald's
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  Speaker 3: endorsement of Anthony Bradford's play as he at risk at
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  Speaker 3: right guard of finally being removed from that starting spot.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting because Sundell, if you remember, during training camp,
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  Speaker 6: was one of the three competitors for the right guard job.
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  Speaker 6: It was Christian Haines that who actually started training camp
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  Speaker 6: as the starter, and then it was Anthony Bradford and
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  Speaker 6: they had Sundell the undrected looking for twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 6: who did some guard work in practices last year. Sundell
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  Speaker 6: ended up proving to be so good at center that
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  Speaker 6: he beat out Ol Timmy and took that job. Well
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  Speaker 6: now that he's been on ir O with Timmy as
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  Speaker 6: it and if you take McDonald as his word, he
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  Speaker 6: really likes how Ola Timmy's played in the two games
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  Speaker 6: three games since Sundell went out with a knee injury,
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  Speaker 6: which makes the question, now do you keep some over
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  Speaker 6: with Timmy where he's been good. Sundell is eligible to
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  Speaker 6: come off of injured reserve this time next week. The
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  Speaker 6: fourth consecutive game he'll miss is the Atlanta game this weekend,
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  Speaker 6: and I asked yesterday McDonald of Sundell how he's progressing
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  Speaker 6: toward potentially practicing next week. He says he's doing really well.
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  Speaker 6: And I said, is he going to come back to
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  Speaker 6: be a guard or a center? And he said, we're
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  Speaker 6: still working through what the lineup is going to look
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  Speaker 6: like when he comes back, which is a really telling
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  Speaker 6: statement to me. I think they're thinking about putting him
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  Speaker 6: at guards and having Sundell play right guard next to
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  Speaker 6: Oval with Timmy to not disturb what Olial with Timmy's
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  Speaker 6: done in the center of the offensive line. So competition
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  Speaker 6: on the horizon perhaps for Anthony Bradford. Now, as you
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  Speaker 6: said yesterday, McDonald said that he thought Bradford played a
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  Speaker 6: pretty good game. He said there were some good plays
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  Speaker 6: and some not some good plays. But when he was
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  Speaker 6: asked about fans especially criticizing Bradford for standing around look
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  Speaker 6: like he's waiting on a bus and some pass protection snaps,
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  Speaker 6: he said, I think he's played pretty well, So we'll see.
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  Speaker 6: But there is going to be competition somewhere because Sandel's
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  Speaker 6: not going to come back and sit. He's either going
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  Speaker 6: to play center, he's going to play guard. At what
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  Speaker 6: I saw in training camp, Guys, I think the best
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  Speaker 6: line right now, I think Sandell's a better center than
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  Speaker 6: old Timmy. But if they're good with Olow with Timmy
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  Speaker 6: at center, I think their best line would be old
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  Speaker 6: Timmey at center and Sindel.
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  Speaker 7: At right guard.
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  Speaker 8: I couldn't disagree with that in the slightest Bradford is
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  Speaker 8: just not he does not play well, and I don't
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  Speaker 8: want to call the dude out, but it just is
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  Speaker 8: not very good. Another guy that didn't have a good
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  Speaker 8: game but is great as Jackson Smith and Jig. But
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  Speaker 8: I mean, any concern about the rest of the NFL,
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  Speaker 8: especially the NFC, the big games that they're going to
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  Speaker 8: have coming up down the stretch here that they found
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  Speaker 8: a game plan. The way in which the Vikings did
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  Speaker 8: stuff was different, but it still is a four and
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  Speaker 8: eight team. Know you you end up scoring twenty six points,
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  Speaker 8: so it wasn't like you didn't figure out a way
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  Speaker 8: to get it done. But they took away one thing
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  Speaker 8: that has been you know, nobody else has been able
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  Speaker 8: to do. So is there game plan associated with that?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, and that is a concern.
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  Speaker 6: And they only had one offensive touchdown and came a
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  Speaker 6: nine minutes left in the game. Otherwise they were turned
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  Speaker 6: away every time and had to kick four field goals
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  Speaker 6: against the four and eighteen. Now McDonald is saying that, well,
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  Speaker 6: Baron Flores is unique and he does things and nobody
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  Speaker 6: else in the league does.
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  Speaker 7: Some people try to.
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  Speaker 6: Do it, but they just don't do it scheme wise.
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  Speaker 6: The blitzing, the fake blitzing, but you can bet for
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  Speaker 6: sure that Atlanta this week, the Colts next week, the
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  Speaker 6: Rams after that, the Panthers after that, and the forty
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  Speaker 6: nine ers are going to take this Minnesota game tape
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  Speaker 6: and say, let's do this. And McDonald made the point
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  Speaker 6: again yesterday as well to say, well, he even said
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  Speaker 6: at one point, I don't really respect teams that just
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  Speaker 6: try to lift game plans and become somebody else just
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  Speaker 6: because they saw somebody else do it in the copycat league.
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  Speaker 7: That may be true, but Atlanta.
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  Speaker 6: Has changed their pass rush.
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  Speaker 7: As I set off the top.
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  Speaker 6: We've seen what the Rams have done at the line
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  Speaker 6: of scrimmage on the defensive line against the Seahawks for years,
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  Speaker 6: although it wasn't nearly as impactful and Englewood in the
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  Speaker 6: last game, donald still threw four interceptions against them. So
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  Speaker 6: Clint Kubiak this week is absolutely going back to some
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  Speaker 6: drawing board things going. Wait a minute, we went into
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  Speaker 6: the game allowing just eleven sacks and eleven games a
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  Speaker 6: fuse in the NFL, and my guy was on the
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  Speaker 6: ground four times in the first half.
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  Speaker 7: How that happens. So they've got to figure that out.
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  Speaker 6: They've got to figure out if they are blitzing, do
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  Speaker 6: we roll Donald away from the pressure, which they didn't
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  Speaker 6: do much of. They kept him in the pocket and
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  Speaker 6: they also tried to have him throw quickly after the
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  Speaker 6: pressure started getting to him, and then he started throwing
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  Speaker 6: it into guy's hands. I think it was six batted
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  Speaker 6: down passes. And I asked McDonald about that specifically yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: I said, can you scheme out of that? Or is
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  Speaker 6: that execution and play and cutting down guys in the
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  Speaker 6: legs and low blocks? And he said a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of both, but basically.
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  Speaker 7: There's some scheme that we need to change.
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  Speaker 6: And he didn't say it, but what it tells me is,
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  Speaker 6: I bet they're going to sprint him out away from
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  Speaker 6: pressure and try to get Donald outside the tackles. See
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  Speaker 6: if they can't run away from some of the batted
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  Speaker 6: passes in the inside blitzes. Cooper Cup mentioned that after
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  Speaker 6: the game. I think we talked about it yesterday, but
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  Speaker 6: Cooper Cup really outlined how they need schematically to be better,
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  Speaker 6: and he thinks it's running outside.
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  Speaker 7: In bootleg type action away.
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  Speaker 6: From the pressure. He also said receivers better get used
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  Speaker 6: to running three yard routes and taking quick dig routes.
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  Speaker 6: Instead of longer breaking routes that Smith and jigbit for
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  Speaker 6: the first two months of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg. We appreciate it. To enjoy that tree.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the entire Bell family hold hands today, circle around it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you sing some carols to the tree tonight.
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  Speaker 6: Oh man, that's a Penis gang man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's nice.
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  Speaker 7: That's a nice memory.
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  Speaker 3: I can see you, like the Schroeder type over there,
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  Speaker 3: playing your little piano while everybody else just jamming.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Mike holmgrenn. He comes on our show every Monday and
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Friday and on Mondays. They are pretty much two prominent themes.
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  Speaker 3: Number one, he complains about analytics when we talk about
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And number two, he complains about me when we talk
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, pretty much nailed it. Yeah, so you
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  Speaker 8: cut your hair, complain about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one last thing.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I've given him one less thing the right direction, Charles.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that was a mess, wasn't it. Anyway?
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  Speaker 3: So what we're gonna do here today is combined the two,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and this is for coach Holm Girl, and this is
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: really going to make things very difficult for him because
• 18:18
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  Speaker 3: whether or not we've been making mistakes or not and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: if we need to change and adjust the way that
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  Speaker 3: we do things because now we have analytics to back
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  Speaker 3: this up.
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  Speaker 4: Oh great, Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Let's start with the Christmas tree, since this has been
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: the big topic of conversation, the Christmas tree. I put
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: mine up on July fifth. Ashley put hers up the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: day after Thanksgiving. Bucky put his up with his family yesterday. Okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: so we're all We're all up.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yep, we're up. We're up and running.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Apparently, the first day of Advent is the customary day
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: to put up your Christmas tree. Now that changes every year,
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  Speaker 3: so this year it would have been Sunday, November thirtieth.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: It's the fourth Sunday before Christmas. It gives you full
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: four weeks to enjoy your Christmas tree. It might have
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: something to do with the health of a real Christmas
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: tree too. I have no idea, but that's the customary
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: first day of Advent is when you're supposed to put
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: up your Christmas tree now. According to analytics though, because
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: they're you know, figuring out joy and then they're figuring
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  Speaker 3: out you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, pleasures.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Franken Senson merg get mixed into there. So, according
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: to analytics, the best time to put up your Christmas
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  Speaker 3: tree is on November first.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, those analytics are wrong.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Do you believe the analytics?
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Bucky? No?
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: No, false again, you cannot be into that noon November noon?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, No.
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  Speaker 8: I think that whatever it takes, the traditional rule of
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: the fourth day Advent, whatever, I think that's right around
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: where it should be. And typically if you want to
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: get a little extra joy out of you, and if
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: you look into the analytics and you're like, I need more.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Joy, then the day.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: After Thanksgiving you're getting a little bit of a jump
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: on that. Unless it just so happens that that happens
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: to be well, that would never be the day after
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: Thanksgiving because Thursdays Thanksgiving on Thursday.
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: I will say this though, because it's interesting bringing all
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: these you know, extra equations into the overall analytics. We
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: have to do that right, And that's where it gets
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: tricky because once you start factoring, I think the joy
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: has to be weighed higher. Right, because the joy is
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: probably the most important part of the season. So if
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: you're weighing the joy, then you're far too late.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Using the advent.
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: May and some you are not science see or some
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: sort of calendar.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I used to be a traditionalist.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I used to be a lot like Bucky and then,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: but I've given myself into analytics a little bit. Now
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like the Dan Campbell of Christmas trees.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I've noticed that go for it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just go for it, even when it's I'll
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: put up my Christmas tree, you know.
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  Speaker 2: From my own four yard line, fourth down and twelve.
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  Speaker 4: Also, it'll cost you one of these times.
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  Speaker 7: Good.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it'll come back to cost you a Christmas Tree championship.
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  Speaker 3: But a real Christmas tree it would cost me because
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: it'd already be stinking.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's just December.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I do have a real one, and it smells wonderful.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: You guys have real ones.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: I do not.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, another thing failed analytics.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I used to but I was the only one in
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: my house.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: So good, so good. I went stretched by mine this morning.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, bad news is we're out of time to do
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: another one. The good news is now I can use
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: these for the entire week. We can do our holiday analytics.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: At least we got through the tree. Let's play some
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  Speaker 2: And they're getting healthier. Tampa Bay, I mean they've been
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've probably been the most broken team in the
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: National Football League this but they got Irving back, and
• 24:01
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• 24:04
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  Speaker 2: It's our last time.
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  Speaker 3: Championship Week taking place Friday and Saturday. All the information,
• 26:37
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• 26:39
  Speaker 3: have the announcement on selection Sunday. And I tell you what,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: this tournament thing, man, I've been waiting for my entire life,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and it really has come through for me. I realized
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: there were some blowouts last year, but I'm telling you
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  Speaker 3: that was the first Sunday of NFL football in my
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  Speaker 3: life where I felt it was a letdown compared to
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  Speaker 3: what I watched the previous day, Like Saturday, I was
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  Speaker 3: so much more pumped for Friday and Saturday of college
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  Speaker 3: football than I ended up being for NFL Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: And it has everything to do.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't have anything to do with Washington versus Oregon,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean a little bit, but it had everything to
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: do for the most part, with how many teams had
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: something at stake more than just you know, trying to
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: get into the Weed Eater Bowl. You know, it was
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: trying to get into the tournament or getting eliminated from
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the tournament. And it made for a wonderful final week
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: of the regular season by my estimation, and it's going
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to make for a heck of a conference championship weekend.
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's weird this week. Even though it's conference championship weekend.
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: It feels It feels odd to me because it's like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: as a Duck fan, like I'm happy that they're not
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: in it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: They get to be healthy.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: There are I know they're going to be in the
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: College football playoff.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I did even get a bye.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it probably takes their chances away or diminishes their
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: chances of getting that one of the top four seeds,
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: but possible. And yet it's so it's kind of odd
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: to me where now a sudden conference championship, you almost
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: always feel like this is awesome. You got there, you
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: have a chance to win the conference and you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: thrust yourself into the highest possible ranking that you could get.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: And yet there's a couple of teams I think that
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: are glad that they're outside of it because they already
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: feel maybe not a couple teams, but there's one team
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: in particular that I'm thinking of it. And yet there's
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: the other ones where there's a lot riding on, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: the SEC championship, for example, if Alabama losers, are they
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: going to be on the outside looking in. Obviously, tonight
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: will be interesting to see what the committee thinks of
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: that whole Miami Notre Dame situation. So yeah, there's a
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: It is more exciting because of the playoff because there's
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: more teams that I mean, it's not that long ago
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: that we were watching. If you lost one game, you
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: were like, well, I'm out of the playoffs I have
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: no chance to win ANS championship now, And thank god
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: that's not the case, although this year it feels like
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: if you lost three you might be out of it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: Even though Texas should has an argument to be made.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I think Chexa has a great argument for this, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit dangerous not to have
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Texas in this because if you send the message that
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Texas isn't in and I don't think they're going to
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: get in, then you send the message that don't ever
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: schedule tough non conference games, and I don't think that's
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: what we want as college football fans. But they have
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: three losses because they played at Ohio State to start
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: the year, the number one ranked team in the country.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: They went in and said we'll go ahead and take
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: that challenge on defending national champs on their turf where
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: they're better at home than they are on the road,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: and it ended up really looking like it's going to
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: cost them because if they had just played you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Prairie View A and m they'd be ten and two
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: right now with a lot of very impressive wins and
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: one bad loss. They do have a bad loss, Let's
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: not overlook that to Florida.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: A couple of other.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Things as we are certainly in a process of trying
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: to figure out how this is going to get locked
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: in per eminently for the future, that are going to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: be tested this year. In particular, Number one, I heard
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Nick Saban and Kirk Herbstreet talking about on Game Day Saturday,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: they think that your resume should end right now like that,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: if you earn your way into the conference championship games
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: and you lose, that shouldn't impact you whatsoever. So that
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: really highlights Alabama because Georgia could lose Alabama and they're
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: still going to get in. But if Alabama right now,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: who are barely in, they're the tenth ranked teams, So
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: you know, once you add the ACC champion and then
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you add the Group of five champion, Alabama's the last team.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: So they are on the bubble and it's gonna be
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: hard for the committee with such you know, teams like
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Miami and Vanderbilt and BYU and Texas all being very viable.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, those resumes speak of tournament teams, and how
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: are you not going to weigh in a three loss
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Alabama that lost in the SEC championship game. I think
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the committee is going to take that into a play.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I think Alabama has to win to get in on Saturday.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: And yet herb Street and Saban are pretty big voices
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: in this world, and they both say that for the future,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't impact your resume at all. You've earned the
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: right conference championship game, and teams that didn't earn that
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: right aren't putting anything on the line.
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, there's some truth to that for sure. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: yet it's like, well, if you're not going to if
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: you're not going to take anything away from them, then
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: would the same argument be, then you can't give them
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: any credit for it, because what if you were still
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: on the outside looking in, right, I mean Bama for example,
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: I guess if as of right now they would be
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: in right, and so I guess maybe it would be
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: tough to get to a conference championship game, I suppose,
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: and then not if you didn't win it be on
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: the outside looking in Bamas, maybe the one team that
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: I think could probably do that this year.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Ultimately, I think conference championship games are dinosaurs shivering in
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: the snow. I don't think they're going to outlast this
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: new wave of college for the tournament wave. I don't
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: think we're going to see them for much longer because
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: of issues like this. And then the last thing that
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: has to be pointed out is down there at the bottom.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I think there will be adjustments made. I don't see.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have been the biggest proponent of the
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: group of five team Megan the tournament every year, but
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: a ten and two TWU lane that gets in over
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: you know, ten and two Miami.
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: I love the drama though.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that I think there might be
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: a rule in the future. Savans brought this up as well,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: that if you're going to be that group of five,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to be like a top sixteen, top
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: eighteen ranked team something like that. You're gonna have to
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you have to do a little bit more to qualify
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: for that. And then this is the other little wrinkle
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: that people should be aware of, and that is the
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: ACC champion is not guaranteed a spot. Duke has five
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: losses this year and are playing in the ACC Championship
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: game against Virginia. If Duke wins, and they're not ranked
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: ahead of the group of five team, whether that's James Madison,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: North Texas or Tulane, then the committee can keep Duke out.
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  Speaker 3: You only have to guarantee spots for four conference champions.
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  Speaker 3: So if Duke wins, I think there's an excellent chance
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: they don't get in at all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they should get it.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, it's just got to be a representative from the ACC.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, you don't have to get represented at
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: that point if your conference champion doesn't qualify as one
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  Speaker 3: of the four top ranked conference champions.
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  Speaker 2: So but I think you will get a representative. I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: think it's the.
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  Speaker 3: Excuse to put Miami in Overduke, even though they didn't
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: even make it to the conference championship game. So those
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: are some things to think about as we're heading into tonight,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and of course this weekend, there's a lot more drama
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: to unfold, certainly before we get to selection Sunday. Coming
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: up next, Great gene Sterator is going to join us
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  Speaker 3: on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.