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- 1:00:00How do you get people interested in
- 1:00:03learning about the ocean?
- 1:00:04We're going to be the focus of today's
- 1:00:06episode on how to
- 1:00:07protect the ocean podcast.
- 1:00:08We're going to be talking to Jevon Hunt,
- 1:00:10who is a songwriter and
- 1:00:12artist and working with
- 1:00:14a nonprofit organization that teaches
- 1:00:16kids to learn about
- 1:00:18their own backyard in Bahamas
- 1:00:20and understand how the ocean plays such
- 1:00:23an important role in not
- 1:00:24only in their protection,
- 1:00:25but in conservation as
- 1:00:27well as biodiversity.
- 1:00:28We're going to talk about that all in
- 1:00:30today's episode of the How
- 1:00:31to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:00:32Let's start the show.
- 1:00:37Hey everybody, welcome back
- 1:00:38to another exciting episode
- 1:00:39of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:00:41I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 1:00:42This is the podcast where you find out
- 1:00:43what's happening with the ocean,
- 1:00:44how you can speak up for the ocean,
- 1:00:45what you can do to
- 1:00:46live for a better ocean
- 1:00:47by taking action.
- 1:00:48And today's episode is a great one.
- 1:00:50We are talking to Jevon Hunt,
- 1:00:52who is an artist, a
- 1:00:53music recording artist,
- 1:00:55a songwriter, an environmentalist,
- 1:00:58and somebody who works
- 1:00:58with nonprofit organization
- 1:00:59that works with young children
- 1:01:02to discuss how
- 1:01:03important the ocean plays a role
- 1:01:05in their lives.
- 1:01:06And it allows them to
- 1:01:07reconnect to their backyard.
- 1:01:10And we discuss a lot of different things,
- 1:01:11including taking for granted what we have
- 1:01:14in our own backyard,
- 1:01:15including myself here in Canada.
- 1:01:17We have a lot of green spaces.
- 1:01:18We have a lot of blue spaces.
- 1:01:20And a lot of the times I sit in my house,
- 1:01:22I sit on my phone and
- 1:01:23I'm scrolling and scrolling
- 1:01:24to find out what's
- 1:01:25happening in the world,
- 1:01:26realizing that I have, or
- 1:01:27not realizing that I have
- 1:01:28a beautiful place
- 1:01:29just in my own backyard.
- 1:01:31And I need to look at more.
- 1:01:33And I feel the same way that Jevon does
- 1:01:35in terms of getting people out and
- 1:01:37connecting with nature
- 1:01:38so that nature becomes an
- 1:01:39important part of their thoughts.
- 1:01:41It becomes part of our culture.
- 1:01:43It becomes part of ways to realize
- 1:01:45that the environment is important to us,
- 1:01:48not only for our
- 1:01:48protection to provide food
- 1:01:49and to provide peace is
- 1:01:52really what it comes down to.
- 1:01:53So we're gonna talk
- 1:01:54about Jevon in just a moment.
- 1:01:56If you want more information like this
- 1:01:58and you wanna find out more
- 1:01:59about how you can protect the ocean,
- 1:02:00you can go to our
- 1:02:00website, speakupforblue.com.
- 1:02:03But here's the interview with Jevon Hunt.
- 1:02:08Enjoy the interview and
- 1:02:08I'll talk to you after.
- 1:02:10Hey Jevon, welcome to the "How
- 1:02:11to Protect the Ocean" podcast.
- 1:02:13Are you ready to talk about
- 1:02:14music and ocean conservation?
- 1:02:15I am ready.
- 1:02:17Right on, I'm very,
- 1:02:18very excited about this.
- 1:02:20I think this is the first
- 1:02:20time where I have somebody
- 1:02:21on the podcast who is combining music
- 1:02:25and entertainment
- 1:02:26with ocean conservation.
- 1:02:28And also on the island of the Bahamas,
- 1:02:31the beautiful Bahamas.
- 1:02:32And I can't wait to see what you guys have to say.
- 1:02:33I can't wait to dive into this.
- 1:02:35We're gonna talk about
- 1:02:36why music is important,
- 1:02:37why you incorporate
- 1:02:38music, how you got into music,
- 1:02:40but also how your
- 1:02:40relationship with the ocean has stemmed
- 1:02:43from being a young boy in
- 1:02:45the Bahamas all the way to now,
- 1:02:46being a grown man, teaching it to others
- 1:02:49and making sure that's an
- 1:02:50important part of their education
- 1:02:53and an important part of
- 1:02:54sort of their lifestyle.
- 1:02:55So I'm looking really, really forward
- 1:02:56to learning more about that.
- 1:02:58But before we get into all that,
- 1:02:59Jevon, why don't you
- 1:03:00just let us know who you are
- 1:03:01and what you do.
- 1:03:02As you said, Andrew, first off, thank you
- 1:03:04for having me on your platform.
- 1:03:06I am thrilled to be here.
- 1:03:08Like you said, my name is Jevon Hunt.
- 1:03:10I'm from the island of Grand Bahama,
- 1:03:11which is in the Bahamas.
- 1:03:14For those of you that don't know, the
- 1:03:15Bahamas is an archipelago.
- 1:03:18There's over 700 islands in the Bahamas
- 1:03:20with about 30 to 40 being inhabited.
- 1:03:24You know, typically people only hear
- 1:03:25about an island in the Bahamas
- 1:03:27when like a celebrity buys an island or
- 1:03:29something like that.
- 1:03:30But there's a lot
- 1:03:32that's inhabited 30 to 40.
- 1:03:34Like I said, we're a small population.
- 1:03:37Like I said, I grew up on
- 1:03:38the island of Grand Bahama.
- 1:03:40I've always been into
- 1:03:42music, the environment.
- 1:03:44I grew up basically outside, you know,
- 1:03:47typical island family.
- 1:03:48Our parents would just shoo us outside to
- 1:03:51entertain ourselves.
- 1:03:53Gotcha.
- 1:03:53You know, they'd say, just
- 1:03:54just boy, go outside and play.
- 1:03:57So typically we spend
- 1:03:58the majority of our days
- 1:04:00outside, you know, playing ball, playing
- 1:04:03anything that could be played.
- 1:04:06I could actually remember the first time
- 1:04:08we got like cable, which was just
- 1:04:10which was like in the early 90s.
- 1:04:15You know, typically we had those antennas
- 1:04:17that you'd have to go
- 1:04:18outside and spin it.
- 1:04:20So so we had no entertainment like that.
- 1:04:23We had no phones or well,
- 1:04:26we did have a rotary phone.
- 1:04:28But, you know, yes.
- 1:04:30You know, I watched
- 1:04:31technology progress over the years.
- 1:04:36And now everyone has a
- 1:04:37cell phone in their hand.
- 1:04:38Go figure.
- 1:04:38But anyway, but I was always into music.
- 1:04:43My family is a musical family.
- 1:04:45They all play in bands and such.
- 1:04:47We sang in church.
- 1:04:49And eventually I progressed
- 1:04:51to want to take it further.
- 1:04:52I performed a lot of places in theater,
- 1:04:56again, my own band and stuff.
- 1:04:58And I threw a series of events, ended up
- 1:05:00somehow, somehow I ended up into the
- 1:05:03environmental field.
- 1:05:04And I never saw it coming.
- 1:05:06I just never saw it coming.
- 1:05:09Right.
- 1:05:10A big part of who I am
- 1:05:12now is I love to mentor.
- 1:05:14So I always mentor it again
- 1:05:15in church groups and stuff.
- 1:05:17And I ended up being a part of a youth
- 1:05:19environmental program.
- 1:05:21And through that, I was introduced to the
- 1:05:23whole world of advocacy and
- 1:05:27learning and teaching about the
- 1:05:29environment, like things
- 1:05:30that I took for granted.
- 1:05:31It was like, oh, my
- 1:05:32gosh, this is important.
- 1:05:33Yeah. So I was in that shoe where I
- 1:05:35didn't know a thing.
- 1:05:37Oh, I took it for granted.
- 1:05:39You know, see those beaches that people
- 1:05:40love to say the Bahamas is known for.
- 1:05:43I live on the beach.
- 1:05:45So I didn't see it as
- 1:05:45nothing that's so important.
- 1:05:46It's just a beach, you know.
- 1:05:48And so sometimes it just baffled me when
- 1:05:51I saw like tourists or
- 1:05:53especially we have a lot of Canadians
- 1:05:55that come down and have second home.
- 1:05:57Especially during a winter season.
- 1:05:59Oh, my gosh, when they come on and for us
- 1:06:01in our winter season, quote unquote,
- 1:06:05we're wearing jackets.
- 1:06:06We have, you know, with the fur, you
- 1:06:08know, we can't wait for
- 1:06:09the cold so that we can
- 1:06:10put on our boots because the only could
- 1:06:12do it like one weekend
- 1:06:14out of the whole year.
- 1:06:15And here's the Canadians and they're
- 1:06:17jumping in the water
- 1:06:18like, oh, this feels so good.
- 1:06:20And we're thinking these crazy people.
- 1:06:23Like that water is cold and
- 1:06:25it's like 70 something degrees.
- 1:06:27Like that's super cold.
- 1:06:29Us, you know, and they're like, oh, we
- 1:06:31just left us, you know, we've snowed in.
- 1:06:33We're hurting to see snow and they're
- 1:06:36running away from it.
- 1:06:37So, you know, in our mind, young boys, I
- 1:06:39can know these people are crazy, you
- 1:06:41know, crazy tourists.
- 1:06:43So anyway, I ended up learning so much
- 1:06:47about the environment, learning so much
- 1:06:49about the things that make us special.
- 1:06:51I'm learning so much about all the things
- 1:06:54that we take for granted, like conch and
- 1:06:56the different varieties of fish that we
- 1:06:58can just go and have.
- 1:07:00And it's not until we speak to people
- 1:07:03from other parts of the USA, Canada and
- 1:07:05all the other parts of the world, you
- 1:07:07know, to learn that they have to get a
- 1:07:09permit to fish or to learn that, hey, you
- 1:07:11can only catch so much
- 1:07:13fish in a fishing trip.
- 1:07:14And there's someone to watch you as they
- 1:07:18measure your fish to make sure it's the
- 1:07:19right length. Whereas in the Bahamas,
- 1:07:21anyone can just go with a cool and some
- 1:07:23fishing line and catch a whole cooler of
- 1:07:25fish because there's
- 1:07:27such an abundance of it.
- 1:07:29Well, it wasn't until I went into
- 1:07:31advocacy and learning more about the
- 1:07:33environment to learn how all of the
- 1:07:35construction and coastal construction and
- 1:07:39businesses and how that
- 1:07:40affects us, affects the ocean.
- 1:07:45It wasn't until I got into this that I
- 1:07:47realized how the ocean is our livelihood,
- 1:07:50the things that we took for granted, like
- 1:07:52the salt water, the seawater, the, you
- 1:07:54know, being able to swim like we're such
- 1:07:56what's it called snobs
- 1:07:58when it comes to beaches.
- 1:07:59Like I visited both coasts of the US and
- 1:08:04they're saying, oh, let's go to the
- 1:08:05beach. Now you're okay. Let's go to the
- 1:08:06beach, you know, and, and, you know, to
- 1:08:08have close friends warn me now when you
- 1:08:10get to this beach, don't act brand new.
- 1:08:14Don't act like, you know, because you're
- 1:08:16used to seeing through the water, you
- 1:08:18won't be able to see through this water.
- 1:08:20I'm like, it can't be that bad. Only to
- 1:08:22go to the beach. And I'm like, oh, no,
- 1:08:24I'm not getting in that.
- 1:08:25I'm like, why? I can't see my feet. You
- 1:08:29have to see you have to see jaws coming
- 1:08:31in order to run from you know, or what
- 1:08:35was really shocking for me
- 1:08:36being an island boy again.
- 1:08:37And, um, the docs and like, I remember
- 1:08:41being in Rhode Island on the coast and
- 1:08:44I'm like, is this real sound like I
- 1:08:46thought it was fake and they're like, I'm
- 1:08:49the only guy there
- 1:08:50just digging in the sun.
- 1:08:51And you know, a whole crowd is forming
- 1:08:52like, why is this guy just digging in the
- 1:08:55sun like this? Because I'm like, you have
- 1:08:57sparkles in your son. Like, this is so
- 1:08:58cool, you know, versus I was used to
- 1:09:02powder sign, you know,
- 1:09:04it, it gets everywhere.
- 1:09:05So to us, it's annoying. It's a tourist.
- 1:09:07They're like, the one like snow angels,
- 1:09:09you know, long story. You're like, this
- 1:09:12is gonna get all over the house is gonna
- 1:09:14get everywhere. All my clothes in every
- 1:09:16crevice that you can imagine.
- 1:09:18It's there. You know, so, so we get used
- 1:09:24to that stuff. Yeah. And I'm on an island
- 1:09:27and I think my beaches are great. But
- 1:09:29then some other islands have even less of
- 1:09:31a population and they're untouched.
- 1:09:32Like no one's on the beach to us if like
- 1:09:3510 people is on the beach. I'm like, Oh,
- 1:09:37it's so crowded. Let's go to another
- 1:09:39beach versus I'm going to this beach and
- 1:09:43you could you have to like tip around
- 1:09:45people. It's so much folks. Yeah. And
- 1:09:49then and then, you know, it's all new to
- 1:09:52me. So it's all eye opening and stuff. I
- 1:09:54see these huge seagulls. I've never seen
- 1:09:56them that huge because they're not that
- 1:09:58huge, you know, by us and they're like
- 1:10:00fighting people for
- 1:10:01food like, hey, yeah, yeah.
- 1:10:01They're aggressive. So yeah, I mean, to
- 1:10:07say it was an experience. It really was
- 1:10:10an experience. But you know, I'm all over
- 1:10:12the place. But when I I started doing a
- 1:10:17lot more environmental work and working
- 1:10:18with the children, and I saw that the
- 1:10:20best way that I could teach them is
- 1:10:22through what I know, which is music. And
- 1:10:24I kind of stumbled into that as well.
- 1:10:27But I needed to find a song or write a
- 1:10:31song as a teaching tool. And I wrote a
- 1:10:34couple and I was low, you know, not
- 1:10:37ashamed, but I was a little shy to show
- 1:10:39it course. But when I did, you know,
- 1:10:42everybody's like, Okay, okay, I see. You
- 1:10:45know, and then I had to come up with a
- 1:10:48simplified version, which is what I
- 1:10:50taught you earlier. Yes. And if you don't mind, I could do it with.
- 1:10:50Absolutely. Please do. So the simplified
- 1:10:56version is for I use it for preschoolers
- 1:10:59and young kids, sixth grade and under,
- 1:11:02but I found that the adults love it even
- 1:11:04more. But they like to pretend like they don't, you know, so I get them clapping, clapping.
- 1:11:20And then I get them like, okay, when I
- 1:11:24say four types here, I want you to say it
- 1:11:26with me. Yeah, so come on. And four types
- 1:11:29here. And it's all good. Come on, I do
- 1:11:31red, black, white and black.
- 1:11:34And so it's so catchy. It is catchy. I'm
- 1:11:39probably gonna say it later on after. I
- 1:11:41know. But I love it because, you know,
- 1:11:44because we get you talking about the four
- 1:11:47types of mangroves that
- 1:11:48are here in the Bahamas.
- 1:11:49And then, you know, after they get that
- 1:11:53little piece, then I'm able to go in
- 1:11:55depth a little bit about each one of
- 1:11:56those mangroves and why it's important
- 1:11:58and why, you know, a lot of the fish
- 1:11:59species and stock come to the mangroves
- 1:12:02to have their young, you know.
- 1:12:03So if we destroy the mangroves or if
- 1:12:05they're destroyed, then these fish,
- 1:12:07these, you know, mammals or these animals
- 1:12:09have nowhere to go to bring their young,
- 1:12:11which is a direct
- 1:12:12reflection on our food source.
- 1:12:15So if those are destroyed, the things
- 1:12:18that you like to eat, they're not there
- 1:12:20anymore. You know, so conch the fish, you
- 1:12:23know, and sometimes when we go into the
- 1:12:25mangroves, we see so many turtles in
- 1:12:27there. We see a lot of bird species, some
- 1:12:30fish jumping out of the water.
- 1:12:31Like it is amazing when you go there,
- 1:12:34like it is I can't even begin to describe
- 1:12:37how peaceful it is in areas where people
- 1:12:40don't go. And and yeah, and then you see
- 1:12:43the land being built because the
- 1:12:45mangroves tend to attract a lot of
- 1:12:46sediment and you see
- 1:12:47these little islands forming.
- 1:12:48And when we get people out there for the
- 1:12:53for the like minute or two or for the 30
- 1:12:56minutes or for however long they're out
- 1:12:58there, we see the shift happening. We see
- 1:13:01them saying like, oh,
- 1:13:03okay, this is important.
- 1:13:03Okay, this is this is a good reason why
- 1:13:07we should protect this area, you know,
- 1:13:09because I'm sure it's the same for you
- 1:13:12and everyone else listening that you
- 1:13:14know, you tend to have our habits. We go
- 1:13:15from work to home, grocery store, you
- 1:13:19know, if you have children to, you know,
- 1:13:21PTA is and all that stuff.
- 1:13:21And that tends to become your world and
- 1:13:24you kind of block out, you're in your own
- 1:13:25bubble. So what we do is we through fun
- 1:13:29ways and through different ways, reach
- 1:13:31the audience so that we can tell them
- 1:13:33like, hey, I know you're in your bubble,
- 1:13:35but let's take five
- 1:13:35minutes to sing a song.
- 1:13:37Let's take five minutes to see how
- 1:13:39important this ecosystem is to us. Let's
- 1:13:42let's take 10 minutes, you know, and then
- 1:13:43we attract them to our youth program,
- 1:13:45which then goes in depth.
- 1:13:47And I'm proud to say that in our 13th
- 1:13:50year, we were able to get a lot of the
- 1:13:53Bohemian students interested in
- 1:13:56environmental careers. And a lot of them
- 1:13:58are choosing to learn more and come back
- 1:14:01and teach. So it's having some sort of
- 1:14:03impact, which is even great, better and
- 1:14:07stuff, you know, and, and also those who
- 1:14:10just trapped in their everyday bubble,
- 1:14:12they're able to just think outside of the
- 1:14:14box and say, okay, this is important.
- 1:14:16Okay, let me not litter or my
- 1:14:20environment. Okay, I might have I bought
- 1:14:23this property. I don't have to tear down
- 1:14:25every single tree that's on this
- 1:14:27property. So just to get them thinking
- 1:14:29along that lines and making small choices
- 1:14:32leads to bigger results.
- 1:14:32Bigger result.
- 1:14:33100%. It's so important to get people
- 1:14:36connected back to the ocean. I mean, even
- 1:14:38we talk about that here in North America,
- 1:14:41all the time, Canada, US, you're right,
- 1:14:43we're always just in our own little
- 1:14:44bubble. And we just have to go to the
- 1:14:46grocery store, and I have to go bring our
- 1:14:47kids to here. Now I got to go here, now
- 1:14:49go here. And a lot of times, we don't
- 1:14:50even take a take time out of the day,
- 1:14:52just be like, I live in a pretty cool
- 1:14:54place. You know, I live in a place where
- 1:14:56there's lots of trees, lots of greenery,
- 1:14:58and they just kind of pass by it, because
- 1:15:00I have to go do some stuff.
- 1:15:01And if we don't take time out of our day
- 1:15:03or time out of our week to go and connect
- 1:15:06with nature, in your case, like in
- 1:15:09Baham's case, you know, the ocean and
- 1:15:11enjoy what you see around there, it takes
- 1:15:14you know, you can just bypass and you
- 1:15:16don't you lose that, that connection that
- 1:15:18want and that understanding of why it's
- 1:15:20important to protect the ocean unless
- 1:15:22some disaster comes by and you realize
- 1:15:25how important it is needed.
- 1:15:27And then you're like, well, what happened
- 1:15:28to these programs and stuff, but the lack
- 1:15:30of that connection takes away that that
- 1:15:33memory of this, this is an important
- 1:15:35part, you know, having mangroves, you
- 1:15:38know, having coral reefs, having
- 1:15:39seagrasses are very important in tropical
- 1:15:41systems to protect the coastline.
- 1:15:44And without that connection, without
- 1:15:45bringing people in and I think it's
- 1:15:47really interesting because we talk about
- 1:15:48it a lot, you know, we go away to the
- 1:15:52tropics, we go away because we love the
- 1:15:54water, we love the beach, like we go, I'm
- 1:15:56like that tourist, right?
- 1:15:57If I went to the Bahamas, I'm out there
- 1:15:59and like, it's 70 degrees and the water's
- 1:16:01like probably 60 and I'm like, yes, I'm
- 1:16:03in, like, let's do it.
- 1:16:03And you're on the beach, be like, what is
- 1:16:05wrong with this guy? Because you just
- 1:16:08love it so much and it's such a different
- 1:16:10part of your own. Like, it's not your
- 1:16:11country, you're in a different country,
- 1:16:14it's warm, what you're normally used to
- 1:16:16and it's such an important part.
- 1:16:18But a lot of times we talk about, you
- 1:16:21know, going somewhere to reconnect with
- 1:16:22the ocean, like going to the Bahamas or
- 1:16:24going to Hawaii or going, you know, other
- 1:16:26places. But when you, the people that
- 1:16:28live there, it's so important for the
- 1:16:30people who live on those islands.
- 1:16:32And even like for me to live in Canada,
- 1:16:34to not take for granted the nature that's
- 1:16:36around me, but especially for you, when
- 1:16:38you first started building the program,
- 1:16:41we're getting the idea to build the
- 1:16:42program, was it difficult to recruit
- 1:16:43people from the Bahamas, like, Bahamians
- 1:16:47to come out and like, you know,
- 1:16:48even the kids to get people to have
- 1:16:50permission to come out and connect with
- 1:16:53with the ocean. Was that a was that a
- 1:16:54challenging process for you?
- 1:16:57Yes, it was. And first, I want to say the
- 1:16:59first three or four years. Yeah, we had
- 1:17:02students that wanted to keep coming back
- 1:17:05because we were developing the program.
- 1:17:07And when we went to all of the schools
- 1:17:10and gave the letters and such, no one was
- 1:17:12really interested because they didn't
- 1:17:14know what we were about.
- 1:17:15And, you know, and so once they're like,
- 1:17:17hey, this is an environmental
- 1:17:19organization. We were lucky that one of
- 1:17:23our senior members, he was a principal at
- 1:17:28a high school for over like 20 years.
- 1:17:30So he knew all of the teachers and he
- 1:17:33just bullied his way inside that, hey,
- 1:17:35I'm doing this environmental program and
- 1:17:37you have to help Mother Earth. So you're
- 1:17:40signing up and they'd be
- 1:17:41like, yes, sir. Yes, sir.
- 1:17:42You know, because they trust him too,
- 1:17:44right? They just he had a great
- 1:17:47reputation, you know, and and so we had a
- 1:17:51lot of folks that signed up. And then,
- 1:17:53you know, then you have
- 1:17:55to to work with parents.
- 1:17:56And because of his reputation and the
- 1:17:59reputation of the team, they said, you
- 1:18:01know what, we're going to keep our
- 1:18:03children coming back because it looks
- 1:18:04like they're doing a lot.
- 1:18:07We were able to once they graduate from
- 1:18:10the youth program, we had a cadet program
- 1:18:12where we one of the requirements is that
- 1:18:15they get scuba certified. Oh, so we get
- 1:18:19them in the water and
- 1:18:20they have to go in the water.
- 1:18:21And it's like, okay, okay, it's it's
- 1:18:24good. It's good. And as some of the
- 1:18:27facilitators, we also had to get scuba
- 1:18:29certified. Of course. Yeah, so we wanted
- 1:18:32the children to go in there. So we had to
- 1:18:33do it as well as my first time. And of
- 1:18:35course, I was nervous. I was nervous. I
- 1:18:38was so nervous. I won't even lie, Andrew.
- 1:18:39I'm breathing underwater is not natural.
- 1:18:42Let's be honest, right? It's not natural.
- 1:18:44I know. And then, you know, we watched
- 1:18:46those those movies, you know, like Jaws.
- 1:18:49And there's one particular place called
- 1:18:50Shark Junction. Right.
- 1:18:53We had to dive, you know. And so I I'm
- 1:18:56trying to say to my folks, my family,
- 1:18:59like, how do I tell them that I'm going
- 1:19:01to willingly scuba dive with sharks
- 1:19:04without alarming them?
- 1:19:06So I'm like, hey, I just wanted to say I
- 1:19:09love you. And I put a tremble in my
- 1:19:16voice, you know, and when we got out
- 1:19:18there, the sharks are like, humans, like,
- 1:19:20you know, it was like we were intruding
- 1:19:22on their territory, but they didn't care.
- 1:19:25You know, and the instructors were so
- 1:19:27cool. They were so they taught me in a
- 1:19:29way that I needed to learn. And they got
- 1:19:32a few pictures of sharks in the
- 1:19:34background with me not even noticing them
- 1:19:36there. And I'm like, you know what, thank
- 1:19:38God, you're gonna tell me turn around.
- 1:19:41Because I don't know what would have
- 1:19:43happened, but it might have been
- 1:19:46embarrassing. But, you know, after five
- 1:19:50dives, and I got certified, it was like,
- 1:19:52okay, it's nothing to fear. And I was
- 1:19:55able to even get back into
- 1:19:57the classroom and say, hey,
- 1:20:00it's even more reason for us to protect
- 1:20:02our reefs, protect our oceans, because
- 1:20:03underwater is a completely different
- 1:20:06world. And it's so beautiful. So just,
- 1:20:09just imagine being underwater with all of
- 1:20:12those colors and all those coral reefs
- 1:20:14and, and like, all of the colors on the
- 1:20:16fish, I felt like I was
- 1:20:19seeing Dory from what's the
- 1:20:22name Dory? I felt like I found Dory.
- 1:20:25A number of times probably.
- 1:20:28A number of times, yeah. And, and just
- 1:20:32all of the misconceptions I had about
- 1:20:34sharks and rays. And you know, there's a
- 1:20:37guy here called the thing Ray Whisper.
- 1:20:39And I've done his tour like three times.
- 1:20:42And he showed us how to safely interact
- 1:20:43with wildlife. And you know what I mean?
- 1:20:47And it was like, oh my God, all, all of
- 1:20:49these years, people were telling me that,
- 1:20:52hey, you saw what's happened to Steve
- 1:20:54Irwin, don't get next to
- 1:20:56those dangerous wild animals.
- 1:20:57Yeah.
- 1:21:00But you know, I'm thinking though, like,
- 1:21:02why would you want to intrude into that
- 1:21:04space without, you know, without doing it
- 1:21:06in a safe way, you know, so it just led
- 1:21:08me to think about things in a different
- 1:21:10way. And, you know, it's just my whole
- 1:21:13world changed, my whole world changed.
- 1:21:16But back to the answer to your question,
- 1:21:17it was a little bit difficult at first.
- 1:21:19But after parents and the wider community
- 1:21:22saw that, hey, they're these children are
- 1:21:27getting some amazing opportunities. You
- 1:21:29know, we've had different folks come out
- 1:21:32and, and now the current generation,
- 1:21:34they're more interested in choosing
- 1:21:37environmental careers.
- 1:21:38So they're finding us.
- 1:21:39Yeah, you know, yeah, they're coming back
- 1:21:41to teach, which, which I think is great,
- 1:21:44because that's even more of an
- 1:21:45opportunity to mentor, because they
- 1:21:48become leaders then. Right. And so
- 1:21:50they're able to lead other children to go
- 1:21:54and then they learn how to be leaders. So
- 1:21:56whether they stay in environmental jobs
- 1:21:58or not, they have, it's become a big part
- 1:22:01of their lives. Plus, they've had an
- 1:22:03opportunity to lead, which I think is
- 1:22:05such a, as a, as a, I'm a sports coach, a hockey and football player.
- 1:22:07So I find it's like, it's such an
- 1:22:11important part of a, of a, of some kids
- 1:22:13development, right, is to understand what
- 1:22:16it means to lead. And not kids don't get
- 1:22:19an opportunity to do that, right, which
- 1:22:20is so this is this is wonderful. I have
- 1:22:23to ask, like you were nervous at first,
- 1:22:24when you started scuba diving, which
- 1:22:26everybody is, I was as well. When you
- 1:22:29scuba dive now, what's the difference?
- 1:22:30Um, it's still a little nervous at first.
- 1:22:37But, you know, that's just me anytime I
- 1:22:39get in the water. But once you get in it,
- 1:22:43it's such a calming. Yeah, you'll to be
- 1:22:46there. Like I said, it's a whole
- 1:22:47different world. It's like, I knew. Yeah,
- 1:22:50all of the worries and the stresses that
- 1:22:53we carry around with us. Once you submerge not water and you look up and I'm like, Oh, my God, I'm 20 feet in water. I'm not.
- 1:23:02And it's like, the only thing you can
- 1:23:05hear is your heartbeat. Yeah. And the
- 1:23:08calmer you are the less that oxygen you
- 1:23:10use. So I try to calm myself even more.
- 1:23:13And it feels so graceful to just be in
- 1:23:16the water just floating and just
- 1:23:17exploring sometimes the instructors have to tell us like, Hey, stay with your buddy.
- 1:23:20Don't wander off because you get so
- 1:23:26caught up that, you know, you lose track
- 1:23:28of time. And one person in particular,
- 1:23:32again, the elderly gentleman, my, my
- 1:23:34boss, who is the ex principal, he's in
- 1:23:38his 80s. And we have to put a tag on him
- 1:23:41because he's gone. He's
- 1:23:42gone. I'm like, come back.
- 1:23:44You know, but then you have to be careful
- 1:23:48because the hand signals they they're,
- 1:23:50you know, they're thinking there's
- 1:23:51something else. So we have to be trying
- 1:23:52to stick close to your partner and just
- 1:23:54explore together. But yeah, I felt like I
- 1:23:58learned a brand new part of the Bahamas
- 1:24:00that few people get to see,
- 1:24:02you know, being underwater.
- 1:24:03Yeah, 100%. I think that's a, that's a
- 1:24:06big part of it. Not a lot of people know
- 1:24:08what it's like underwater. And you're
- 1:24:10right. It's like a completely different
- 1:24:11world. When, you know, we talk a lot
- 1:24:15about, you know, connecting and making
- 1:24:17sure that kids and kids and their parents
- 1:24:19understand more about the ocean, how
- 1:24:22important it is to, to protect and how
- 1:24:24important it is to take
- 1:24:25care of that, that time.
- 1:24:28What is like, for the average Bahamian
- 1:24:32who lives in on your island, like grand
- 1:24:35Bahamas, what is sort of the outlook of,
- 1:24:40of the beach and of the ocean? Was it
- 1:24:41similar to you where they just take it a
- 1:24:43little for granted and they don't go in
- 1:24:45the water as much because it's always
- 1:24:47there and they get caught up
- 1:24:48in your, in their own lives?
- 1:24:51Yes, that's still the sentiment. Like I
- 1:24:56told you earlier, I had that same
- 1:24:57mentality, like, yeah, I live on the
- 1:25:01beach. The beach is literally two minutes
- 1:25:04away from me like I'm at the front of my
- 1:25:06property and at the back is my beach. And
- 1:25:10it's like, no, no Bahamian would
- 1:25:13willingly want to
- 1:25:14live on the beach. And my
- 1:25:17house is it is it is prize land,
- 1:25:20especially for those who like a
- 1:25:23landlocked. And you know, when people
- 1:25:25tend to to build in the Bahamas, and
- 1:25:28they're from a place that's landlocked,
- 1:25:30they want to live on the beach. Right for
- 1:25:32the average Bahamian, they do not want to
- 1:25:34live on the beach. Because saltwater
- 1:25:36corrodes everything. Yes, you'll be
- 1:25:39changing your fixtures and fittings
- 1:25:40yearly. You have to park in a garage
- 1:25:44because then your car
- 1:25:46will get all eaten up by the
- 1:25:47salt. Sand flies, you know, all that
- 1:25:52different stuff. It's all the stuff you
- 1:25:54never think about not living on the
- 1:25:55beach, right? Yeah, having saltwater just
- 1:25:58in the air that comes in it comes the
- 1:26:00salt comes over. Yeah, just like sand,
- 1:26:02it'll find its way over and get all the
- 1:26:04stuff you don't want to get. Yeah, and in
- 1:26:07the Bahamas is a unique way for people to
- 1:26:08tell like, they can look at anyone and
- 1:26:12they like, for example, they look at me
- 1:26:14and they'll say, you're in
- 1:26:15the saltwater a lot. And they'll
- 1:26:17and then I know why they say that because
- 1:26:20saltwater bleaches your hair, it turns
- 1:26:21you here like brown.
- 1:26:25So we know the fishermen, we know all of
- 1:26:27the folks who were in the water, because
- 1:26:29it turns you here brown, like it bleaches
- 1:26:31it. Yeah, you know, I get a lot of folks
- 1:26:34ask me like, hey, you know, did you
- 1:26:36bleach your hair? I'm like, no, no,
- 1:26:40I would, you know, we don't do that, you
- 1:26:42know, but if you know, you know, yeah,
- 1:26:45like you get in the water and it bleaches
- 1:26:47your hair. So a lot of my hair is that
- 1:26:51that that brown that's that's very, you
- 1:26:54know, with going into saltwater. So all
- 1:26:56of the fishermen, they have like light
- 1:26:58brown hair because they're in the water
- 1:26:59daily. Like for me, I might be in the
- 1:27:02water weekly, especially in the
- 1:27:03summertime, but they're in the water
- 1:27:05every day year round.
- 1:27:07And so I find also that the younger
- 1:27:09folks, they're mostly in the water in the
- 1:27:13summertime, just like us, up until like
- 1:27:15October or so when it gets start getting
- 1:27:17a little bit nippy. But they also take it
- 1:27:21for granted. And so unless they're doing
- 1:27:23some type of tik tok, or some type of
- 1:27:25something, or even partying on the beach,
- 1:27:29because that happens a lot too. That's
- 1:27:31the only time people
- 1:27:33really go to the beach.
- 1:27:35Gotcha. Gotcha. That's cool. That's so
- 1:27:38cool. Now, the music aspect of your life
- 1:27:42is a big part, as you mentioned, your
- 1:27:43family's very musical, you're very
- 1:27:46musical, you incorporate into these
- 1:27:47environmental programs. How big of a part
- 1:27:50is it when you go into these schools?
- 1:27:52Like, like, do you, is it come in, you
- 1:27:54bring your guitar, you sing, or keyboard
- 1:27:57or whatever, and you sing and, and that's
- 1:28:00most of the program or like,
- 1:28:01how does it incorporate it?
- 1:28:03So it depends on what the school wants.
- 1:28:06And it depends on how much time we have.
- 1:28:08Normally, we block out like a 45 minute
- 1:28:11session with students. If I have the
- 1:28:14young ones, if I have primary school
- 1:28:17level children, I won't take any
- 1:28:20instruments or anything
- 1:28:20or bring along my crew.
- 1:28:22We'll just do that same song. And we'll
- 1:28:26engage like we have a at work, they we
- 1:28:28wrote this storybook about Manny, the
- 1:28:30mighty mangrove. And Manny's adventure.
- 1:28:35You know, Manny's adventure in the mind
- 1:28:37grove, how he grew up, you know, and all
- 1:28:39that stuff. So I would typically have
- 1:28:41story time. Yeah, I read it in a very
- 1:28:44animated way. You know, it was dramatic,
- 1:28:46con gestures and all that stuff. And I
- 1:28:48culminate with a song.
- 1:28:50So my thing is, I call myself a
- 1:28:53storyteller, an environmental storyteller
- 1:28:55and rhythm and blues, just a storyteller
- 1:28:59period. And so I have to bring this story
- 1:29:02alive and communicate this story in a way
- 1:29:05that my audience could understand.
- 1:29:06So the younger they are, the more wild
- 1:29:09and, you know, I have to make this story
- 1:29:11big and get it to stick. And so we would
- 1:29:14do songs and I would call them up and
- 1:29:16say, OK, now you sing it with me. Now
- 1:29:19let's do this side. You sing it with me.
- 1:29:21And so I'll break them up and we'll do
- 1:29:22call in response. Sometimes I bring my
- 1:29:25goatskin drum and we play the drums and
- 1:29:29they would sing the song. So it's all
- 1:29:31about engagement for me.
- 1:29:32You know, so as a as a singer songwriter
- 1:29:34storyteller, I want to bring that alive
- 1:29:38for my students. And then they come up to
- 1:29:42our mind grove nursery, which I'm in
- 1:29:44charge of. And they get community service
- 1:29:46because it's a requirement in order to
- 1:29:48graduate community service. Some high
- 1:29:50school, like high school or just regular
- 1:29:53elementary school? High school. High
- 1:29:54school. I think they have to some schools
- 1:29:57have up to 75 hours community service.
- 1:29:59So after school, some days a week,
- 1:30:03they'll come and do community service.
- 1:30:06And then I get some little ones who they
- 1:30:08don't have quite that attention span. So
- 1:30:10I bring out the drums or I play hide and
- 1:30:12seek or I have little worksheets with
- 1:30:15them. And, you know, we go over some
- 1:30:17environmental stuff just so I could, you
- 1:30:19know, bait them to get
- 1:30:19them in my youth program.
- 1:30:20So, yeah, so it works. I have to be a
- 1:30:27character to get all this stuff done. And
- 1:30:29I love it. I never like I told you
- 1:30:32earlier, I stumbled into this career
- 1:30:34field. And it's like it chose me. I
- 1:30:39didn't choose it. It chose me. And
- 1:30:41environmentalism. I always thought that
- 1:30:43it was three huggers. Oh, look at this
- 1:30:45one. And they just, you know, but then I
- 1:30:47became that I became the person that's
- 1:30:50protecting these trees. I became the
- 1:30:52person that's advocating clean, fishable,
- 1:30:55drinkable, suitable waters. Again, I work
- 1:30:58for waterkeepers Bahamas. Yeah. I became
- 1:31:01the person that's talking to fishermen
- 1:31:03and telling them like, hey, some
- 1:31:05practices, you really shouldn't do that
- 1:31:07because it's damaging to the reef or
- 1:31:09talking to developers and telling them
- 1:31:11like, it's a way for you to do this
- 1:31:13without harming, you know, all of this
- 1:31:15stuff. And we get called everything.
- 1:31:18Oh, I'm sure. But, you know, at the end
- 1:31:22of the day, when there is no food, when
- 1:31:25there is no, you know, the protection
- 1:31:27from these storms, the coastal protection
- 1:31:28at the end of the day, all the things
- 1:31:30that make us the Bahamas, like when it's
- 1:31:33gone, then what like after hurricane
- 1:31:36Dorian, in fact, I want to say we had a
- 1:31:39hurricane, I think it was Hurricane
- 1:31:40Matthew 2004. So, and we were without
- 1:31:43power for two and a half months.
- 1:31:45Two and a half months.
- 1:31:48Months. Wow. And, you know, all the
- 1:31:51humans know that when there's a
- 1:31:52hurricane, the first thing you do besides
- 1:31:54secure your property is fill up chugs
- 1:31:56with water, fill up chugs, buckets,
- 1:31:59everything with fresh water, because at
- 1:32:01some point, the water is going to turn
- 1:32:02off. Right. And so the next thing to do
- 1:32:06is if you have a chest freezer, you're
- 1:32:08going to take all that stuff out, you're
- 1:32:09going to start barbecuing everything
- 1:32:11because without
- 1:32:12power, it's going to spoil.
- 1:32:13So it's going to spoil, you know, some
- 1:32:16people have solar, some people have like
- 1:32:18generators, so it'll last a bit longer.
- 1:32:23But general rule of thumb is you want to
- 1:32:25eat all that stuff. And then, you know,
- 1:32:28water is rationed. And bathing water, you
- 1:32:31need to have to reuse some water if you
- 1:32:33bathe in a bucket of water, but you
- 1:32:36shouldn't. That's too much water, you
- 1:32:37know, yeah, you then turn it around and
- 1:32:39use that to flush the toilets.
- 1:32:41But what happened during those two and a
- 1:32:43half months, most people had to take to
- 1:32:46the ocean, they had to go and swim in the
- 1:32:49ocean because we couldn't arbitrarily
- 1:32:51just, oh, I want to use all this water
- 1:32:54and take a long shot. No,
- 1:32:55you couldn't do it. Yeah.
- 1:32:56You know, and the good part is the ocean
- 1:32:58provided food for us. So stores weren't
- 1:33:01open at all, you know, and when they were
- 1:33:04as limited resources. So a lot of people
- 1:33:07went back to fishing crawfish lobster
- 1:33:11time, like we call it all the times that
- 1:33:14it happened, like where we were without
- 1:33:16power and stuff that lobs those walking.
- 1:33:18So people had lobsters for breakfast,
- 1:33:21lunch and dinner, you know, the ocean
- 1:33:23provided. Yeah, in a big way. So it's a
- 1:33:27part of our livelihood. It's a part of
- 1:33:29our diet. Again, it's something that we
- 1:33:31think about it. Yeah. Coconut water. We
- 1:33:35had coconuts and coconut water and
- 1:33:38seafood. And that's how we lived. Yeah.
- 1:33:42And not bad too. That's not bad. Living
- 1:33:44on seafood and coconut water. Not having
- 1:33:47power, you know, not being able to, you
- 1:33:49know, clean properly and do laundry. Like
- 1:33:52it, it really makes us, it really shows
- 1:33:55how reliant we are on just general power
- 1:33:57and the access to water.
- 1:33:59But on an island system where that may
- 1:34:02not happen all the time, especially with
- 1:34:04some of these storms that are coming
- 1:34:05through that can get get hairy at times.
- 1:34:08It can get really difficult at times to
- 1:34:09live in there. So, yeah. And so now as
- 1:34:13you, as this program has been built for
- 1:34:1613 years and it's expanding. Do you find
- 1:34:19more people are even like the parents are
- 1:34:22doing more environmental things, you
- 1:34:25know, more
- 1:34:25environmentally friendly things?
- 1:34:26Yes, we've had a few parents come in and
- 1:34:29they say like, what are you teaching my
- 1:34:31child? Oh my gosh, because they're coming
- 1:34:33into the home now and they're saying
- 1:34:34like, hey, like, we might not have
- 1:34:37recycling, but you need to put that put
- 1:34:40that away like, or if a parent, she's
- 1:34:42like, I don't do it. But for some reason,
- 1:34:44she went to throw something some trash
- 1:34:45out of the window and a child was like,
- 1:34:47hey, yeah, let's make smart choices. You
- 1:34:51know, and they're, they are the one
- 1:34:54that's enforcing the
- 1:34:55message in the home now.
- 1:34:56Yeah, they had a one like all the stuff
- 1:34:58that we're teaching them. They're now
- 1:34:59going into the home because when we talk
- 1:35:01to adults, you know, it's kind of in one
- 1:35:03out of the next. So, you know, adults are
- 1:35:06pretty much set in their way sometimes.
- 1:35:08And so it's through the children, through
- 1:35:10their children, like telling them stuff.
- 1:35:12So we've had successes in that way. We've
- 1:35:15had parents come back and they had to
- 1:35:16come back and tell us, you know, so now
- 1:35:20they're making smarter choices.
- 1:35:23And so, you know, we had a plastic band,
- 1:35:26like a single use plastic band last year
- 1:35:29that was enforced in the Bahamas. And so
- 1:35:31the students are going to the
- 1:35:32supermarkets and grocery stores and you
- 1:35:34know, parents are like grabbing for the
- 1:35:37plastic bag and it's like, no, let's
- 1:35:40purchase the reusable bag. Yeah, let's
- 1:35:43use those. And you know, the parents are
- 1:35:45sometimes they get really upset. They're
- 1:35:47like, yes, but I don't have the time.
- 1:35:50You know, and so it becomes a thing where
- 1:35:53it's like, okay, there if we don't want
- 1:36:00to be that guy or that person to be like,
- 1:36:02you know, because, you know, we all have
- 1:36:04to live. But we just want to encourage if
- 1:36:07you can just do it. You know, I saw your
- 1:36:10your podcast where you're
- 1:36:11talking about the straws. Yeah.
- 1:36:14Yeah. And so we got some parents, you
- 1:36:17know, they bind their steel straws and
- 1:36:19they're like walking around like it
- 1:36:20becomes a fashion
- 1:36:21statement now like that. Yeah.
- 1:36:23The person's like, Hey, look what I have.
- 1:36:26Yeah, you know, different colors and
- 1:36:28everything. Yeah, different colors. And I
- 1:36:29also experienced like what you talked
- 1:36:31about, like these messy straws that melt
- 1:36:35before you finish your drink
- 1:36:36or break up and just it's like,
- 1:36:38Oh, yeah. You know, so so we empathize
- 1:36:42with that. But it gets us thinking
- 1:36:44outside of the box looking at companies
- 1:36:46that, you know, have a sturdier product.
- 1:36:50And and realize that just innovation.
- 1:36:52Yeah, it helps us to be innovative, you
- 1:36:54know, absolutely. Yeah. So this is
- 1:36:58amazing. And I love to see the work that
- 1:37:00that you're doing with with Bahama
- 1:37:03waterkeepers. I'd love to see the
- 1:37:05environmental programs. I'd love to see
- 1:37:06the work with children. And then that,
- 1:37:08you know, going into the homes and the
- 1:37:10parents are coming back and be like, this
- 1:37:11is this is fantastic. We're learning.
- 1:37:13They learn because we know kids are
- 1:37:15adamant about when they learn something
- 1:37:17they want to do it. They want to, you
- 1:37:18know, contribute to it because they see
- 1:37:20it sometimes as black and white and they
- 1:37:22may not see the gray area between their
- 1:37:24complexities between. But that helps a
- 1:37:26lot of times when the when parents call
- 1:37:28you or when kids call out their parents
- 1:37:30and it's happened to me. It's happened to
- 1:37:32everybody, you know, but it's important.
- 1:37:34I think I think it is important because,
- 1:37:35you know, we're
- 1:37:36leaving this this to our day.
- 1:37:38And we have to do the best we can to to
- 1:37:41ensure that we leave it in the best
- 1:37:43condition as possible. So they have an
- 1:37:45easier job than than we left it with. So
- 1:37:47I really appreciate you coming on the
- 1:37:49podcast to discuss this to introduce us.
- 1:37:53And I'd love to have you back on talk
- 1:37:54more about the program in the future
- 1:37:56because I think this is something that we
- 1:37:58need to hear more and more about and have
- 1:38:00that hopefulness and that optimism
- 1:38:02towards the ocean and and our younger
- 1:38:04generation that's coming through and and
- 1:38:06being able to be more
- 1:38:07protective of the ocean.
- 1:38:08So thank you so much for being on the
- 1:38:09program. Not a problem. Thank you for
- 1:38:11having me. You bet. Thank you, Jevon, for
- 1:38:14joining us on today's episode of the How
- 1:38:16to Protect the Ocean. It was great to
- 1:38:17have you on the podcast and be able to
- 1:38:19talk about music here a little bit of
- 1:38:20your talent and also talk about how you
- 1:38:22get kids interested in the ocean,
- 1:38:26especially with, you know, just as he
- 1:38:28mentioned, there was this persona that
- 1:38:30the ocean is dangerous and it's nerve
- 1:38:31wracking to go in it, even with his own
- 1:38:33own experiences in scuba diving and
- 1:38:35understanding what it's like to be in the
- 1:38:37ocean. Once you're there, you can be in the ocean.
- 1:38:38And once you're there, it is life
- 1:38:39changing. And once we connect with the
- 1:38:41ocean, we realize how important the ocean
- 1:38:43is to us and what we need to do to be
- 1:38:45able to protect it better. And so that it
- 1:38:47continues to be a part of us and
- 1:38:49continues to provide services for us like
- 1:38:51protection, just like mangroves does for
- 1:38:53a lot of island communities, just like
- 1:38:56salt marshes does for a lot of coastal
- 1:38:57communities and temperate worlds and a
- 1:38:59lot of other coastal communities, coastal
- 1:39:01habitats does for coastal communities. We
- 1:39:04just don't see it as much because we're
- 1:39:06not out in nature as much. And I feel
- 1:39:08that's what I think.
- 1:39:08And that's a big part of conservation is
- 1:39:10to connect with nature so that you
- 1:39:12understand and you appreciate more about
- 1:39:15the beauty and protection that nature
- 1:39:17brings us. And that's really the message
- 1:39:19for the show. So if you want to learn
- 1:39:21more about Javan, you can do so.
- 1:39:23And just look in the show notes and you
- 1:39:25can click on the links to his website as
- 1:39:27well as social media pages and you can
- 1:39:29find out more about his music as well.
- 1:39:31It's always great to be able to support
- 1:39:33local artists, especially those who are
- 1:39:35in it for the ocean. So I love that.
- 1:39:37And if you have any questions or comments
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- 1:40:04I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from the true
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