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CC5: DOOM | Retro Game of the Month · Cart Creeps

• Carter Creepington: Welcome to five. Shut up. Welcome. Welcome to Episode five of Cart Creeps, a podcast where we discuss retro gaming. I'm Ryan and we also have. Gabe. I'm gay. See, Jay knows how to get a little silly. What do you mean? This is how I always talk. So he voices the lowest of the low. The beginning of the last episode, we. ⁓ We all paused after Gabe said I'm Gabe because we were all expecting him to say the all-knowing fool and he didn't say it So there's like a little bit of an extra gap there where he's on the ⁓ wait. They can't see my name. Can they? I don't even really understand the point of that, but maybe I guess if you're live stream out of this but on Riverside get a little our title our name and then under it's a little subtitle we can pick yeah, it's the all-knowing fool and I just I haven't watched the YouTube videos. just listened to Spotify. Gabe, just something you want to tell us about? Yeah, we have a discord now and you should join it. It's full of cool people playing wordle. Every day. That's really what we do. That's pretty much it. That's why we talked about doing a little bit. That's really why we want you to join because that's all we're doing right now. It's just our friends playing wordle and Ryan started. I don't play the wordle. ⁓ don't get into that. cheats at the wordle. Yeah. Cheaters. He does. He's like, ⁓ I got it on my first guess again. Yeah. Okay, buddy. Yeah. Okay, buddy. Three or four guesses. I'm sorry that I'm just smarter than everyone else. My bad. My bad. I'm just built different. No. think you cheat. Cheat. As someone that is completely on the outside of the ⁓ world. You just wait. I'm going through looking at the word player. can look it up online. Guess a of wrong words. That's too much effort. That's all it is. Letters doing it naturally. Now, all it is is why would you cheat? Stupid. Why do you bother cheating? I don't. Ruining the game for everyone. You're ruining just for you. You're the one that flips out over it. That's why we need people in our Discord, because this is what happens when it's just us in a Discord. Ryan just gets mad that I'm better than him at everything, You just can't fish our discord agrees that you cheat. So, and Jay, you, you can tell, tell us about that guy. What's a ⁓ right now? Jay went on his podcast and he plugged Jay Jay got this podcast plugged on that podcast and we recorded the last episode after Jay had done it. didn't even mention it. yeah, him a shout out. So our friend, friend, nuclear fish, who is also Ryan. like to call him imposter Ryan. I call you imposter Ryan to him too. I play both sides so I always come out on top. No, no, no. He's not, he's not my favorite Ryan. But Ryan, our number one fan, nuclear fish. That's number two. Jacob's our number one. Number two fan. Number two fan. Okay. Yeah. He's doing a podcast right now, you can find him on Spotify, it's called Super Smash Cast. He is currently going through every, I guess, character in the Super Smash Bros roster by order of release date. So like, release date of the original game that they played in. I was gonna say, that like, he playing that on Melee or Ultimate? He's using the Ultimate roster, so he's using all of the people. I guess that makes pretty good cast they do a history of like They they play the game obviously that the characters on and then they kind of talk about it and then they rank the characters move set on how accurate it is to the character in the game that they Came on this pretty cool podcast. Check it out again. That's super smash cast ⁓ Yeah for Ryan when you were there Yeah, what gave it you talk we talked about Pokemon. ⁓ I don't I don't go on for the games. ⁓ not yet He hasn't gotten to the Pokemon characters and Smash Bros yet in the release order. But he'll do some sidecasts and I went on there. We just go on there and talked about Pokemon Day back in February, I think. Yeah. And we just talked about the state of Pokemon and how we play that game. Because it wasn't a 30 year anniversary of Pokemon this year. Is that right? All that for them to announce Wind and Waves. After it was already leaked by the way, like we knew about this for like a year. And then they fucking delayed it till the next year. found out this year. I found out whatever every other normal person found It wasn't confirmed, but like when the big old Nintendo leak happened, or not Nintendo, it was a Game Freak leak, or a Pokemon Company leak or something. That was part of it. It said that the next gen would be Wind and Waves and like so and so and so, but like It wasn't confirmed until you know, Nintendo announced it, like they it right. they didn't even change the name. Yeah, I found out the legal way. I didn't know. I just use the Internet as a Pokemon fan and it shows up automatically like on my social feeds. So I think I just saw it randomly. Maybe when I was like on the car, I'm an Instagram account and I think I may have saw it, but I didn't pay attention to it because I'm just not really into. Pokemon anymore. But well, Keith, since we had we explained this other podcast that isn't our podcast, would you want to explain how our podcast works? Yeah, I'll talk about our podcast, Jay. I wasn't. They've been doing this. We're going to about what we've been playing. Now I wanted to skip Gabe. Sorry. I've been playing my first. Ryan, what have you been playing? No, I've been playing first. What have you been playing? What have I been playing? Yeah, what have you been playing? Well, I've been playing Doom and in between getting a headache from playing Doom, I've been playing ⁓ Monster Hunter Stories 3. ⁓ It's like Pokemon, but the Monster Hunter, so it's way better. ⁓ it's ⁓ more anime and is that an older Monster Hunter? It's what is that an older one monster hunter? No, it's the newest the newest game. It's playing new games. Yeah, we play new games on this podcast. only play old games. I will not be talking about any new games. I meant what other old games. You said you're playing, so I'm currently playing that. Anyway, Ryan, what are you playing? I'm done with your He's definitely playing more than he's playing. He doesn't do anything else, so he's definitely playing more games than me. So go ahead. Yeah, kids or other obligations. I'm like a loser. Did you? Right. was going to go ahead. No, see, I've been playing that and it's been a lot of great fun. I'm not pretty much right at the end. So once I do that, I'll move on to something else. And then I'm still making my way through Resident Evil. So that's been fun. So, And yeah, just I thought you might like stop after the new one got released. I didn't make it. I didn't make it, but then I played Requiem. had an incredible time with that. It's a, you know, 100 % like it a lot. Platinum did everything. It was, amazing. I can't wait for more DLC for that game to come out. I think I'll probably play Pragmata next. I've mentioned before, I'm a big Capcom guy. So that's the next Capcom game coming out. It's coming out pretty soon. So I'll be hopping on that and then yeah, keeping going. Yeah, Ryan, what old game are you playing? in between your kids. The only game I played because I have kids, so I didn't play anything besides. OK, but I play the game of life. I did. I played the game and I finished the game and I started playing Doom 2, which is also included in Doom 1 plus 2 on Steam. I started playing Doom 2 and I got a parked way through the first episode. I've never played through Doom 2 actually, so I might keep playing it makes me playing Doom again. Makes me want to play other boomer shooters that I have and I have a ton that I haven't even played yet. like owned on steam, but I don't know. I wanted to play cultic again, or at least there's a chapter two that was released sometime last late last year, I think. And I never got around to buying it or playing it yet, but I really liked the first chapter. So I might buy that at some point. It really depends on what we end up rolling for next month. Cause if it sucks, I'll probably just keep playing doom two or cultic. But maybe it'll be a J game. Yeah. Hopefully it'll be. I've got three winners on the board. Yeah, what about you, ⁓ Gabe? What you been playing? I've been playing Golden Sun 2 The Lost Age ⁓ for retro handhelds. I'm a couple months away from my Eternal Champion, and this month they picked a long ass JRPG. It's like 30 hours to beat. It's like a day. It's no time. a little over a day. Because the way it makes it is there's three options, but are they all JRPGs? Uh, yeah, they're all JRPG. They were all at JRPGs and they were all 20 plus hours. Um, the other two were 21 and 22. This was just like the one that had like the best ratings. Yeah. I think, uh, it, and I, mean, I, I, I'm complaining a lot about how long it is and stuff, but I'm actually having a lot of fun playing it. Golden Sunch really, really fun. Is it like, uh, back and play the first one. Does it feel similar? Like. I don't know which ones you play. Does it feel similar to a Final Fantasy game? I'm actually not familiar with Golden Sun at all. Yeah, I mean, it's like a turn based, you know, is it? Have you played any Dragon Quest because Dragon Quest is like, no, it's JRPG, it feels more like Pokemon than it does. I want to play Dragon Quest. I actually I was browsing the retro game shop near me one day and I found. one and two on the Game Boy, I just like bought it on a site. Yeah, I played that one on my Mii mini just for fun and it's ⁓ cool. Dragon Quest is cool. I played Dragon Quest V for Roger Handel's Game of the Month one time. Yeah. Yeah, I played the DS version of it and I liked it a lot actually. was like, wow, I didn't expect to like this as much as I did, but like I like the way the combat works. I started playing Breath of Fire III because that was the RPG of the quarter last quarter. I didn't get very far in it because I started playing it. Like, I think it switched in April. switched. Yeah, that makes sense. And like, I started playing like two weeks from the end of March. So I was like, yeah, I started playing and it like seemed fun. I was like, okay. And then April started and it was Golden Sun. Like it was like, I said, three JRPGs. And I was like, okay, well, I'll just play Golden Sun. I've had a lot of fun. It's got this unique system where you get like what are basically like Pokemon, but they're only based on like the four base elements and called Genie. And you can like stack genies on your different characters. Each character also has like an elemental power because it's all that's what the whole game is about. It's like the four elements and stuff like that. And each one has one element, each character, and then they have the four genies. And based on how you stack the genie, your like class and play style can change and stuff. And then you get like different abilities that you use outside of the map to do like puzzles and stuff. So, I mean, it's pretty fun. ⁓ What about you, Jay? You been playing? This is gonna be fun. I actually, this month I started on a whim. I really wanted to play Spongebob Battle for Bikini Bonn. Oh, nice! So I started that on my Steam Deck. Is that PS2? It's all of them. I think you get Xbox Gamecube too. I have it on Gamecube on there just because, like, you know, the memory is smaller. Like the amount of space that it takes. Yeah. Um, is a lot tinier for GameCube games and PS2. But, um, yeah, that's a lot of fun. If you're unaware somehow it's just like platformer collectathon and bikini bottom. You get to play as all the characters. Um, simple SpongeBob fun. I'm a big SpongeBob head group on that. Yeah. So this is all fun and games for me. Um, yeah, that's pretty much been it. And then, you know, Doom, I grinded Doom pretty good cause I didn't. find out about the recording date until like a week before. I, Jay's too busy for us now. I just going on other podcasts. You never let me live it down. And they plugged us too. He, did good by us and then I get made fun of. you can't do anything. That's right. Yeah. Just a SpongeBob battle for bikini bottom. ⁓ the original version, not the rehydrated version, not that I've played the rehydrated version, but, ⁓ I read it's not as good. Cause they like, I read they botched the movement and I've heard that. Yeah. So I, I'd like to play it pretty, but you know, I, don't know. I like the old way, the old graphics too. Like it looks good then. better if like it plays like shit, right? mean, yeah. But also the, it's not like this game. looks bad or anything, like it still looks good, like it's still bikini It's very hard to make like a SpongeBob game. Especially with like the upscale on the Steam Deck, like it looks pretty smooth and it feels smooth. It's pretty nice. Translates well. It's crazy what upscaling a PS2 game or I guess GameMove Game 2 does for it, like when you're actually playing it, like, you know, if you don't upscale it looks, it does not look very good. Upscaling like The one I noticed the most is that we're talking about earlier. I did play Final Fantasy 10 one time for RPG the quarter. I started to play it and then finish it. But like I was playing it on Steam Deck or maybe it was the Odin to either way, like it was upscale. And was like, this actually looks like good. It's like it's almost like it was a remaster, you know, because of how high quality the graphics ended up being just being blown up to whatever two or four X, whatever it was. But, uh, Keith, do you want to explain the concept now? I don't really feel like it. Hey, some more Bob in the house. Hell yeah, brother. I live off the ball reference. No matter how you can make a SpongeBob reference out of anything. like it's always relevant. Oh, yeah. So how the podcast works. So we each pick. We each pick three games. but now we've made some changes to that and I'll go over that as well. And then we spin our creep wheel and then the game that gets chosen, land whatever lands on, we play that for the month. Some of us play it a bit more than others, who's to say for sure, you know, just depends. Completion is not required, but it's encouraged. If one of us or all of us don't finish a game, it's whatever, you know, it's something. It's fun. We don't talk about who completed and who did. Whatever. Like, how much you completed it. Oh, you didn't fully play through a card game simulator. But like you got the experience, right? Who's to say? Who's to say? But did he? Did he really? I don't know. Once once the game is chosen. Once our next game is picked and we pick the now we're doing it so that the we have our members, our ultra ultra creeps get to vote on what our next game that replaces the one that gets picked. Ryan had three new games that he picked from that he chose to say that our super ultra members would be would vote on in our discord. Join our those guys. Join our discord. And then yes. ⁓ We'll, I guess we can get to it later on what the actual next game is that was chosen. But yeah, so know, then that's how, that's how the whole process works. It's really simple. We just, just pick a game and then play it and then either beat it or pretend you beat it and then lie about how much you enjoyed it. That's the thing. If you're a member, you would already know what the next game is. Cause you would have seen it in the results of the poll in the discord. Sure. Yeah. Anyone that's great. Yeah, a paid member of any level of ⁓ the Patreon can... Anyone that's a paid member, we can discuss stuff like that. You can talk about secret stuff like pre, you know, well, we know what's getting picked or you can also suggest, you know, possible choices. But yeah, if you are a member, can vote on one of the, like I picked the three games, right? And then I put them out there and then people voted on them and then they'll let them, you know, be... members decide which one we're actually going to put on the wheel. If you are an ultra creep, which is the highest tier, you can put a one game of your choice on the wheel. if it wins, that sucker on. get to put it on a new one back on. You get to replace it once you win. So if you're interested in that, check it out. Check us out on Patreon. You can actually replace you can know more money you give us the more slots your game gets Accounts you could technically do it like that, but I wouldn't I would I would not pay us that much One guarantee a game that'll be 1000 buckaroos, buddy. Yeah, join like make 100 accounts and spend all that money and you can get 100 entries of one game if you want. And we'll probably have to play. We'd be obligated to do it just for the just for the effort alone because you know, yeah, a lot of effort to make it happen. We do it. Yeah. Imagine getting some rich kid like just throwing a bunch of shit games on our wheels just because he can't. Hey, that's always been an option. Like that's why I'm open to people like make us play a shitty game if you want to punish us. Make us play Superman. Or just let us pick the shitty games ourselves. We could do that too. Yeah, what I mean. You've did that for us, but you could pick one for us too. Ryan did too with Pokemon. Got him. Fucking got him. picked a great Everyone else loved that game. Yeah, I completed that game. Yeah, me too. So I won. When Pokemon won, got to ⁓ replace it with Doom 1993 for ⁓ DOS and like the next month after Keith's game won, got to that Doom one again. So yeah, this month we're talking about Doom. ⁓ Everyone knows about Doom. Everyone's heard of it. Everyone knows you can run Doom on pretty much any device. But can you believe that only one person in this podcast has actually played it? So that's why I picked it. It was Ryan. Good pick. I wonder who it was. The first episode of Doom was actually free. was shareware back then. It was so popular that it actually crippled college networks because so many people were playing it at once. Yeah, because it was free. You had to pay 40 bucks to get the other two episodes. I think that's total not each once they were, you know, I guess they were all released at the same time. But yeah, the first episode was free. So... Anyone could play it. ⁓ well, I mean, download it and share where it was designed. Like they intentionally made it that way. So you could like, ⁓ yeah, you just check this out. then, know, hand out like a free sample of this game. And you're like, wow, this game is sick. So of course we're going to buy it. So, ⁓ as far as how long to beat, it's about five hours. And I feel like that's probably about how long I played it myself, maybe a little bit more personal history. I'm the only one in here that's played it at all. First time I ever played it in any iteration, like we're all. mid 30s. So we weren't really like it came out when I was one year one years old. So I didn't play it as a kid and we never had actually the baby. We never had a computer like a gaming computer obviously when we were growing up. We had computers like we had a Windows 98 and may have had a Windows 95 machine. But I never played that's too young to play Doom back then obviously I know about it. I'd heard about it. But the first time I ever played it was on the Xbox Live arcade version for Xbox 360. And my friend Kevin is the one that definitely turned me on to Doom and we played it together because it had co-op and apparently it's one of the better ports of the game. There have been a lot of ports of this game and a lot of them are, some of them are really bad. ⁓ We all played like the PC or PS5 version, I believe, but ⁓ yeah, we thought about trying to play the Game Boy version of the Super Nintendo version and that's apparently like one of the worst ones. But I think the Saturn is the worst is what I've heard. Golly, I could imagine. a lot of supports. Like I said, everyone knows about it. It's funny to make an episode about Doom because like, doesn't everyone know about it and played it. But again, I played it for the first time. It was really around high school because I don't know what year it came out in 360, but it was like 10 bucks or something on Xbox Live Arcade and maybe even like less than that. But yeah, Kevin and I played it a lot. Played co-op on it. We could actually, we could have played co-op on this, I believe as well. Co-op is pretty fun. There's also multiplayer. I don't think I've ever really played the multiplayer version of it. I was going say with multiplayer, it like, does the difficulty like is single player of like Hurt Me Plenty harder than multi or not as hard as multiplayer of Hurt Me Plenty? I think it's just the same. do you just play? think it's same. Okay, we're playing multiplayer. Let's do ultraviolet. Yeah, I think it's the same ultraviolet just for both of the people involved. And it's just like simple split screen. It's pretty neat. Yeah, you can play couch co-op split-screen too as well as online. yeah, yeah. You see each other? You can, yeah. Yeah, you actually do see the other character. I dabbled a little bit in that. it's a guy with a helmet on running around really fast. Apparently, I something. So fast. It's like a blur. Yeah, Doomguy, apparently, like if you scale the speed, he runs like 50 to 90 miles per hour. That's it feels in the game. Yeah, yeah, So fast. That's one of the things that's so good about this game. It's just a fast paced game. My expectations going in. I played it before. I was excited to play it again. I played it not all that long ago for retro handhelds. Technically to complete the original to complete the game. It's only the first three episodes because the fourth was released later. So if you. Beat the first three. You kind of beat it. Me too. ⁓ All fours. know, the fourth episode is, you know, worth playing as well. But ⁓ so what about ⁓ you, Gabe? What were your expectations going in? ⁓ I mean, I played 2016, so I had this expectation of being like similar to that, but not like obviously just like older kind of. But it really was like a completely different game. I don't know, like I didn't really have any expectations. I've seen a lot of Doom, like I've seen it like, you know, played on in videos and reels and like all sorts of stuff. And I've played more current Doom games. Any expectations I had were not like my experience. My expectations were, I mean, I guess, yeah, I don't know. I guess, I guess that's not completely true because the Doom 2016 is a pretty fast paced game. it's like you're moving. If you're not I remember when I started playing 2016, like you guys had played it before me. And I was like, this game is so hard. And you're like, you guys were like, if you're not consistently moving, that's probably why it's hard. I was like, Oh yeah, 2016. Can't you? Yeah. Yeah. That's a big deal. Yeah. Cause I kept thinking that I like, if I could jump, this would not be as hard. It's a really good, I feel like it's a really great spiritual successor to the original games. I think so too. It's really good. I love that game. would, need to play it again. I would recommend everyone play it and it goes on sale all the time because it's a, it's a great game. It's super fun. Anyway. Yeah. You have to keep moving. Like you have to like that's constantly, but you actually don't really have to do in this game. You can kind of so fun. mean, it's, so easy to just like zip zap across the map. Yeah. Yeah. talk more about it later, but there were moments where I would get like locked up against a wall and like a corner or something. And like, I'm just flooded pinkies. Yeah. I've got like four pinkies on me and I'm like I should have been like circling around them blessing I have a Point to make or a question before we continue. Do you guys know the names of the enemies without looking them up? Or did you know them? I do not And I know this is cyberdemon and I know the side because there's a trophy in killing a cyber demon with just a pistol. Yeah I guess I don't know the soldiers name. just assume they're soldiers. I think that's what they're called. The shotgun guys. I later the guys who show like fire blast at you later. They're called imps. I don't know if they're just they're imps. Yeah. Yeah. guys that shoot fireballs at you. Yeah. And then all the ones that 2016 are the same as like the same names and everything. Pinky's Baron of Hell's the cockadiemen. mean, I would say, I do actually probably know all the because I played 2016. Yeah. 2016 does have the arch vile and the mancubus and stuff, which One game one doesn't but doom to does have those and the what's that? The meatball guy the pain elemental looks like a demon, but he's like got horns and he's like looks kind of a brown people. Yeah, I think he's in him too. There's also a check a demon. Is that what they're called? Yeah, caca demon. That's the red guy. Yeah, that's got stink. J. What were your expectations? Um, I was kind of in the same boat as Gabe. I the only other gym game I had played was 2016 and The only expectation that failed me was that you could jump in Doom. But, ⁓ yeah. Not needed. Yeah. Really? Because there were like parts like you could, it was clearly designed for the fast running. there's definitely like jumps that you're supposed to make. ⁓ but it's really just running as fast as you can straight. Yeah. It's like taking a car off a ramp. Actually going 90 miles an hour. Like off open air and clearing the jump. ⁓ but I mean, yeah, like as fat, like I wasn't expecting you to move this fast. Like that was kind of nutty. thought like even half the speed would have been good enough, but you were, you're like, I mean, you're really zooming. Like it took me a second to get used to. Because I, found out and I left it on because I actually liked it but I had always run on. I kept it on the whole game. it took me a second to get used to how fast I was like my hair was moving. was like, okay, I need to like turn the sensitivity of my controller down or something because I barely touch it. I'm like across the room. You do get used to it and you get to it with it too, which is nice. There were a lot of times where I wouldn't even like try to look left and right. I would just use the left stick. As my left and right and just like aim only the crosshair. Um, and that was another thing I knew going in about the crosshair thing, how you can't look up or down. It's just a crosshair in the middle and that's it. and a half D real turn. Yeah. Keep stupid shitty two and a half D game. I knew it so well going in and still the first thing I did was like, try to move up and down. Like I wanted it so bad. Um, didn't know about that. And I was like, it's something. I looked it up and it was like, no, you had the exact same experience of and we all talk about in our chat is like we all had the same magazine first instinct for you playing the first person shooter. ⁓ hey, there's a guy up on the stairs. Let me aim up. So I'm not shooting the fucking stairs. ⁓ no, you don't do that. It's just shoot. be fair, this isn't a first person shooter. It's the first person shooter. It's the first shooter. Well, not really, but it's the one that made everything, you know. It's an explosively popular one. Obviously Wolfenstein was before this. you happen to know if there is like a, if there's a doom mod or a doom game variation that does let you look up and down? It's like the exact same doom, it has the whole look. like I've played this game maybe on PC or something where I could look up up and down, but I couldn't see that setting in the steam deck version. I, maybe I have like a separate doom like instance of the game in the mind. library because I feel like I've done it. Is 2 that way as well? I was going to say, can Doom 2 maybe do it in... Because you can play the original Doom in Doom 2016. Maybe. Maybe it's in that. I feel like I should know the answer to this because I'm certain that I have played it where you can look up and down, but it doesn't really add anything to the experience. You can look up, which is good. But it must be... That would probably be some sort of other port. Like it's ported in Unity or something. I there's a Unity version of the game where it's just redone. in 3d versus like being based off of the in tech engine. ⁓ which is what this is based on. This is super off topic and I don't want to talk about it long, but one time, like several years ago, I found this like ROM hack that this person, not even a ROM hack. was like this whole, I don't know it like separate gaming project. They did Pokemon gold and silver in first person. They redid the whole map. And the same graphic sprites, like one to one, but it was first person and all the controls were the same. So you had to do like the up left, up left, up left. And that was kind of disorienting. I mean, like if you knew where you were going, like, I mean, it was crazy. You're literally walking through golden rod, like first person, like the buildings are sprawling. It was cool. Sorry. had the doom guy. Yeah, you could ride the bike. Apparently on the Steam, it says the Kecks engine version on which is on Steam, Xbox, Switch, PS4, PS5, good options, mouse options, free look, on off to enable vertical aiming. Maybe I never looked in that because I wasn't using a mouse. I was using just the Steam Deck controller, but maybe it would even turn on. Maybe it would have. I don't know. I don't have my Steam Deck with me right now, but somebody check it out. Gabe, have yours with you, Yeah, I feel like I've done it before, but ⁓ anytime you guys said stuff like that, like, can't look up and down or like. I was like, no need, you know, don't need to do that. It's a tough to break. As far as sprinting, I did use a button. I did not have always run on. I used the left trigger. So left trigger, I would just, you know, hold it when I wanted to run and then slow down. How fast is the walking? Because I didn't walk the whole game. about half the speed, It's reasonably... 40 miles an hour. Yeah, it feels like it's so quick, but it's not like the sprinting. Yeah. I mean, I would use it probably to like... slow down and aim better or something like that. I would also also I just I'm just already used to it like holding left, you know, trigger to like back up really quick, get out of the way of the door or something and go back and forth and back and forth. Like I it's already like built into my muscle memory of when to use it. And so just having it turned on all the time. ⁓ But yeah, Keith, do you have any more expectations besides the not being able to look up and down thing? ⁓ yeah, I mean, that's a big 2016 right? I did play 2016. I remember, this is story time, when I was in, I was with Jay at the time, because Jay was buying his new, buying a new phone. I was like, oh, hey, there's a game, let's just walk in the game and stop and what happens. And I saw Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal there. And it's like, why not? Let's do it. So yeah, I bought both of those. And then, yeah, that's when I ended up getting that. It was for everyone involved. Was that the same day as the hurricane? had to have been because that's the only time you've been with me to get a phone. had to go to. Tropical. think it was a tropical storm, technically. tree fell down in the yard of the house we were staying at in our sleep and we didn't even know it until the next day. Got a question. Where? But ⁓ where was it? At Oak Island. ⁓ So ⁓ here's a little doxing. ⁓ I was in town for Gabe's wedding. Gabe's wedding. Yeah. I was going to say that was Gabe's. It had to be Gabe's wedding. And my phone was just super trashy. ⁓ I had a Galaxy S6 and it was like every button was broken. The screen was cracked, all that stuff. And the closest AT &T was in Wilmington, which was like 45 minutes. And this like hurricane was coming the same day. So we get to the TNT store and something is weird with my phone. saying like a security issue. So we couldn't change my number of her to a new phone. ⁓ and we had to call my parents to identify that I'm not like a terrorist. And after like an hour, I got my phone and me. It was crazy and Keith was just like sitting there in the lobby watching this tornado come closer on the weather change not tornado hurricane and put your hands over your neck and like you did in the hall we right through it but if we would have died that night at least Keith would have had doom with him when he died. Mm hmm. Yeah, was sure that had to been Gabe's wedding. That's funny. a little podcast lore. Yeah. Little more. Yeah. Yeah. So I was I was with Jay then I got picked up both of those. Yeah. Played. I haven't beaten internal yet, actually, but I did beat 2016. But honestly, playing this, obviously, it's like, you know, doing 2016 is obviously like The roots are there, but it's still pretty different from how this plays. playing the original does make me actually appreciate 2016 a lot more now. I actually was like, how much of this style of gameplay that they actually did bring over to 2016. like, oh man, know, just stuff like you notice is like just the movement, obviously. I did mention earlier, this did. game did give me headaches. did have to adjust some settings around because it did give me headaches. But ⁓ I didn't have that problem in 2016. They did fix the sort of that out. But ⁓ but yeah, you know, just how it's like the movement and the combat how it feels just and yeah, just how it feels shooting shit in this game. It does feel really good to just shoot the shotgun. Like it's great. It's crazy how good it does feel for like the way it looks. Yeah, what would be better is playing 2016 and then playing the original or playing the original and then 2016. I think it's 2016 and then the original. Because I feel like I appreciate the original way more for having played 2016 first. But I also like, mean, I don't have the reverse experience. I feel like it would have been cool. Oh, just as cool to play the original and then play 2016. Oh, wow. They like did an amazing job. That's how I felt. Yeah. Up like upgrading this game, but like not like really keeping its roots there. Yeah. The view barbing. ⁓ It's funny because you can turn it off because it is really extreme like it's by default. It's really high. You're just like sprinting as fast as a car. It's you guys talked about that. I think like last night or something like you just changed it. And yeah, I never I didn't even notice it before you said anything like it didn't like faze me at all. Every time I started to play it, I'm like, OK, I'm like you know, it's good. And then like the longer I played it, I just like, it just starts hitting me. I'm like, okay, I don't know what the fuck this is. That might be what it is. I did also turn up the brightness because I was also scared. Scary game. More pod lore. I do have a history of seizures. So like flashing lights, you kind of fuck with me. didn't know that at all. What do you mean pod Lord? This since when close friend Laura. OK, yeah, I was just making he's making it up for sympathy points. No, no, no. This is I was much younger. It was before I like I hadn't had a seizure like to like I mean. I was still in elementary school and that was happening, but this was before I knew anything. I've known you for over 15 years. had no idea. It's easier. Yes. Just never come up. Never had one. So yeah, I do have some light sensitivity, like flashing lights can kind of like gives me a headache and you know, stuff like that. So there are some rooms in the game that do have that. And it's either like pitch black and it's like flickering lights going on. Fuck this game hurt me. So I did have to adjust some settings around. I turned off the view bobbing and turned up the auto lighting. So just like, just take that shit out. I'm not trying to strain my eyes and hurt myself. It's pretty harsh in a couple of spots. It's like, my God. Yeah. Did y'all happen to play the level in episode three? I don't think I did this run. It's like a two part level for the dungeon of mystery or something like that. No, I don't think so. fortress is mystery. There are a couple of secret levels. Yeah. That's the only one I found, but that was the worst flickering light maze that I... That was the hardest part of the game for me. And then I just happened to stumble upon it like, oh, lucky me, I found a cool secret and let's make the game harder. And longer. It's one of my favorite parts about this game is like, oh, you found a little secret. Here's five barons of hell. And nothing else. Yeah, and not even like any... ammo or you found a secret area and it tells you to it's like you found a secret. Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you find like a secret level, it's like, ⁓ here's episode or level nine. I'm like, okay, yeah, just move on right next to next level. No, they just kick your ass back to like episodes or level six or whatever it that you were on. Yeah. When that happened to me, I thought I didn't know it was a secret level at first. I thought it was like a level warp. And then I kind of looked it up. I'm seeing like, know what? where I was at and it told me secret level and then it puts it spits you back out like the level where you would have been had you actually normally so it was just like two levels there were long levels I think done with this level actually done with this episode I was doing what is going on you guys are complaining about playing getting to play more doom hey man when the game gives you headaches I have a right to complain those were the most ⁓ I'm pretty bad about like getting lost in maps Just generally like I get lost you guys get a lot right? Yeah, I didn't use it the whole time I Should have used it I would have loved to know that but I just didn't discover it. ⁓ you didn't know it was just running around. That's really funny Yeah, I use it all the time because I'm trying to figure out because you can find the automap and sometimes and it's like now it shows you where everywhere you Everywhere is and haven't been and you can find all secrets, but yeah That's what I always use. I use it anyways, just to make sure I go to a place I haven't been before. Cause I wasn't like trying to do full completionist or anything like that, obviously. But I would, if I had killed most of the enemies, I'd like, okay, I'm going to explore the rest of the map and make sure I found all the secrets. and pickups. A pretty decent amount of secrets more than, cause the first level, the first couple, like sub levels, I guess, an episode when I didn't find any. And then I started looking more and I found a lot more. And there were a few where I did find all the secrets and that was pretty neat. Yeah, well, let's talk about how we played it, but it should be a pretty short segment this time because we all, most of us played on the same thing. We could have made this so much more diverse, but like you said earlier, like a lot of these ports just aren't optimal. Like I could have played it on the SNES, the cool red cart, the cool red little Doom cart, but that's actually also one of the worst versions. And especially, so I played it on Steam Deck, I played the 1 plus 2, is it Ultimate Doom? Is that what they call it? With the extra episode? I think so. Yeah. I'm not clear on all the versions because there's like Final Doom and Ultimate Doom. I don't know. But it's the Steam Deck version though, Doom 1 and 2, same that we talked about earlier. And there's a lot of other games in it too. Doom 1, 2. It has like... Extra stuff that's been released over the years and there's even a John Romero one that was released a couple years ago It's like legacy of rust. haven't played all of them Something about the Steam Deck version that I found out like before I played was that it does have a cool little quick save feature You just pause and then yeah, like the right bumper and then I did do that a lot I did that a lot. I played it like it was safe states. It was it was really cool. ⁓ Yeah that and the Steam Deck version I saw plays up to 90 frames. you have a Steam Deck OLED, you get, have the 90 FPS, the 90 Hertz screen like you and I have the OLED. You're lucky us. has a 60 Hertz screen. You could feel those 90 frames though. Like it was, it was so smooth. Like some other games that it includes. Yeah. So what is it? Doom, Doom 2, Sigil. Yeah, Sigil. Legacy of Rust. Sigil 666, Legacy of Rust. No rest for the living, the Plutonia experiment. I would love to play all of them someday. But it might. It'd be fun for me after playing the Steam version to go back and play that SNES version and just compare like a super optimal version to like a terrible version on a CRT TV. Apparently the GBA version is like it's middle of the road. it works. I don't know what all like this. It's funny if you look up screenshots of some of the bad versions. I think the Saturn one is one of them that does this. But the screen is smaller. they draw down the screen just to be able to run it. it's, you could just have a giant border around it because it can't handle the graphics. Which is funny because it's new. But obviously back then it was a big deal. ⁓ Yeah. I played on Steam Deck. ⁓ I used, I had mapped my, I think it's automatically save, save quick save is mapped to right bumper. So I did that left bumper was quick load for me. ⁓ Did save a lot. I. played on ultraviolence and Keith also did, but he just stepped away. But I did use a lot of save states. Yeah. And he's back. I was just saying I played on ultraviolence, so I use saves a lot. And you also played on ultraviolence. And these guys played on hurt me plenty. And I said at the end of the episode last time, you guys should play on ultraviolence for the real Doom experience. But I played on ultraviolence some. I just wanted to complete it. Yeah. So like, apparently back in the day, like, ultraviolence is the hard mode and hurt me plenty is the normal mode and nightmare didn't exist until later because people were complaining if that it was too easy. What are the lower two levels of super easy and easy, I guess. Because hurt me plenty isn't that hard. There's some hard parts. I'm sure ultraviolence like way harder. I did play it again. I played it some. The first few levels of ultraviolet weren't like crazy or anything, but they were hard, harder. You get less after going back. It is. All it really does is the number of enemies that spawn and the ⁓ amount of enemies respawn as well too. Right. And only in nightmare. So in ultraviolet, you have more spawns and less pickups and hurt me plenty. So Keith and I would have encountered less health and stuff like that and ammo versus you guys who got more the ammo and less enemies. But Nightmare. So apparently like people were complaining back and they like ultraviolence isn't that isn't hard enough. So John Romero was like, well, fine here have nightmare. so it's nightmare is ultraviolence except you do get double the ammo because you need it. The enemies respond and they and also enemies are extremely aggressive because normally and even in ultraviolence, they see you. They'll they'll take a couple of steps before they shoot at you. But ultraviolet nightmare, they just as soon as they see you at all, they'll start shooting at you. I played, did. I did play E1M1 the first level on Nightmare, to see. And it was tough. Like, I could probably make my way through the whole game eventually on Nightmare, but I don't think I'd want to do it unless it was just some weird personal challenge. Because like, some of the level, we'll talk about it in a little bit, but some of the levels, like, especially episode four, like, holy shit. Like, I can't imagine playing those. There's a lot of like going back through the level for like some things. And like, I can't imagine like going back through it and like all the fucking demons are back. They're all back. They come back so fast. It's like milliseconds. like you're in that one. So you know in E1M1 when you like step out of a room, step back in there. You start in like that main room in E1M1. There's like the little drop down floor and then you walk to the little stair section. There's like a maybe not on hurt me plenty, but there's like a shotgun guy that hides behind at the bottom of the pillar. Yeah, you do all that. Hit the switch and you walk to the very next room where it's a big opening and there's like a little raised section in the middle and there's like that's where the dudes like spawn. I was in that room and I was running around it and like shooting the guys and like by the time I had killed all of them, the first guys I had killed were respawning. I was like, whoa. So it's a timer. It's not even like a place thing. Yeah, it's just a timer. Imagine like it just not all those imps that are up there on the on the platform. When you walk through the acid room like the room. Yeah, like kill them. And then there's more like I was like, dude, this is this is really tough. But Keith, you're the only one that really didn't play on a steam deck. How was your experience? Because you get to play on a TV, I guess. I played on TV some. Yeah, I played on this. I actually didn't use this controller. This is my fighting game controller. It's a PS5 controller. is that? The audio is PS5 version. is holding up a red PS5 controller. It's actually specially made controller, ⁓ but that's my fighting games. For who? But I did. ⁓ For what? For who? Specially made for who? For you. Specifically, or it's just like a fighting game like a fighting. Oh, no, I got custom. OK, there's yeah, there's a custom order site called Battle and Beavers. They sponsor us. I'd love to be sponsored by that. yeah. I mean, Battle of Beavers, if you're listening, reach out. Yes, mean, I'd love one. I've already gotten two from you. So I don't even love a third. I don't have a PS5, but I'll play it on Steam Deck. works. Yeah, it works. Yeah, works. But yes, I played on PS5. Same thing has Doom one and two has all the same. Thing is a steam version just all the extra episodes and modes and games and things like that Yeah, so I playing on a controller on a TV My background is the same for people wondering but I was actually playing at someone else's house ⁓ So they have a big screen TV. was playing on I don't know if that might have contributed to my headaches with everything I'm not sure but I did also put it even scarier ⁓ The game initially is on widescreen, but I did put it down to ⁓ original with the black bars and everything just to make it. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't think about that. Yeah. It was, it was really good. It was, it played wise. It played well. You know, I put, I put quick save on the sticks, you know, left stick, right stick ⁓ for save and load. But yeah, it was, ⁓ did you not use the, how did you aim and walk? Oh, so you can the clip the sticks are also buttons. Yeah, I know. But I feel like I would accidentally press it. No, that's weird. No, I'm better than you. I know. did you use the other r1 and oh, guess that's how you change weapon. yeah, will shoot and are to you know, that's it. Are to her to her one died. Our one was our two are to our two was shoot. Yeah, I think Yeah, it should have been. Does the PS5 have triggers? Yes, it does, right? It's not buttons, right? Okay. know I've never... Well, this one does, but this one's particular. I was playing... The one I played on was the DualSense Edge, which is the fancy... It's still R1, R2, L1, L2, but it's clearly like a bumper and a trigger. Like two different things now. Finally took their... Took notes from Xbox, which Nintendo hasn't done that, but you know. It's just a different controller. So I didn't I didn't play it on this. Yeah, but this is a, you know, just visual shorthand when I played it on. But yeah, so there was nice and nice and easy. No, you know, everything was about the same. Like I said, I adjust the settings and everything just to try and so that it didn't kill me every time I played the game for two hours. Jane, Gabe, did you guys use my custom Steam Deck controller layout or no? Yeah, I actually did. I didn't use it when you sent it, but like yesterday when I started playing episode 4, I was like, I'll try it out. And I tried it out. I mean, I liked that. What is it? The game pads, track pads, the track pads. really did like weapon layout that you just quickly flick it and like change the weapon instead of cycling through. Yeah. If you never use a steam deck or a steam controllers were like this to like, you can set up custom like lay all kinds of custom control schemes for your steam deck to do lots of stuff. Like I mapped the left touch pad to be like a pseudo weapon wheel thing. And you can even set it to be like on release or like on press. So I have it set up to where you just flick it and let go. When you let go, picks that weapon. So I put in a little custom, what's their built in, but I put in a little custom icons for each one, like the pistol and the nuke was the BFG. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. I like the plasma rifle being like the little ray gun. And then, ⁓ but yeah, you can share those too. Like if you ever also looked on a Steam Deck, on any random game, any game on Steam, somebody in the community has made a version and it's shared it with the community. It's usually there's like the most popular one. So like you can do all kinds of crazy stuff with Steam Deck controls. Like you also have the back buttons, which I never, I don't, I don't use that much. It's got, you know, back buttons too. But like I like using the touch pad to make like little weapon wheels for games that don't have them because doom originally is you know on a keyboard you have one two three four five foot at the top number row that's how you change weapons in the with the controller otherwise you have to scroll through them manually by pressing I don't know Jay was a d-pad like is that how you changed them I did all our one was changing one L1R1 okay yeah that makes sense but you can also set the different weapons to different buttons so I yeah actually set like I had set shotgun to up on the D pad and yeah, like chain gun to right. And yeah, that's the reason I needed a weapon. Well, it's like, want to always be able to get to the shotgun because that's the kind that's getting more reliable left center and right are left to shotgun center chain gun and right is rocket launcher. So it's like, these are the ones you're using the most. Yeah. For the most part. you got to like, I really liked how you set up the weapon. Like because it's exactly what I would have done. Yeah, I'd it over for the shotgun because yeah, I mean like you said, chain gun. The only thing is, um, I use the plasma rifle a lot. love the plasma gun. The plasma rifle is really good. Yeah. Yeah. I, don't get it. The reason I put it in the bottom is because you don't get it. Yeah. Uh, early in, in episode one, it takes a little bit to get it. I think it's hard to get ammo for it. It's also hard to get in general. melts. Yeah. We can about it now actually. can get into the deep dive of the actual game and how it plays. And I actually am really curious about like if you guys feel the same way about the game as I do. But we can start with art, sound, atmosphere, visual, presentation and music. Let's start with I guess just the art, the sprite art, the pixel art of it. And like me personally, like it's it's goaded, like for sure. Super well done. The 2D or the sprites in the 3D environment is ridiculously awesome looking. I don't know if you guys, you guys probably don't know this, the guns, all the guns were modeled after toy guns that the team went and purchased and then they modeled them as sprites. The shotgun is the shotgun. The chaingun is like, yeah, it's all like toys, which is really cool. All that art for like the sprite art for all the enemies, like all the pickups, like it's all really cool. It really good in my opinion. And just like the evil hell vibe. I dig that. I'm a big fan, horror thing. And this isn't really a horror game, I mean like, loves evil. Yeah. The evil vibes are there. There was a scene, I think it was in the second episode. might've been the third, but you're like in a lava room. You're like on a ledge and there's a lava pit to your right. And there's like guys hanging over hooks and you're just, I think that's the first time you see that in the game. it's, it's so like extreme, it's really cool. Like three. That's the face wall. I'm going to say the face wall. Face wall. My favorite for for being the graphics that it was and like everything like it was it still looks super creepy. Like it looks so I love it. Yeah. The scrolling. We're talking about. Yeah. Like scrolls and it's literally like somebody took off somebody's faces and like just plastered them onto the wall. They look I mean, they still look almost alive and stuff. It's I kind of joke about it being scary, but it does. It looks scary. Like the game looks creepy, like consistently. Like you said, the hell vibe, like it. I'm like, yeah, this, this would be hell. This is what like, especially in the later levels. it's like a labyrinthine and you're like getting deeper into these like, it's, it's, it's crazy. Yeah, because like the first level you're on the moon base episode one is the Mars base. Yeah, Mars and and then us. Yeah, the demos. But you're floating. Yeah, you're on the floating thing that's floating and then you descend into hell for the last. And then there's hell. And then episode four is back on Earth, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That is it. Because it talks about episode two and three are in hell and it talks about him leaving to go to a gateway back. to earth and everything looks fine. And then it's like, ⁓ but could something else have passed through the same door? And it's like hell on earth. The atmosphere, like the game does a good job of like changing between episodes, the atmosphere of the rooms and changes. Cause the first episode is very like cyber, like, know, Mars base, like techno cyber stuff. And then like, as it gets, it's more like, then you have like wooden walls and demon faces and stuff everywhere. Like very like, this is work in hell. Yeah. Yeah. we'll say like, let's talk about it being scary. The game isn't scary. Like, obviously, it's not a horror game or anything. like, okay, the and I don't know, man, Mr. Tough Guy environment or first the games are the environments do look creepy. And they're it's cool. But like the most of the monsters aren't scary, right? You get used to the shotgun guy and the pistol guy, the like the soldiers like the ⁓ whatever they're called that something they're they're like undead basically. The damned? Yeah, the damned. think that's what they're called. The imp isn't scary. Pinkies are scary the first time you see them. And shadow pinkies are just annoying. don't know. The pinkies' actual name is just Demon. And then it's a shadow demon or something. I the shadow pinkies are scary. Like, you're just suddenly like, what the fuck is going on? then you're like, oh my god. Pinkies are funny because like the first time you see one there's they're the fastest enemy So like you're super fat and that's the thing you can outrun everybody in the game But pinkies are fast and like they're sprinting at you the whole time the whole time you feel compelled to shoot them like as fast as you can and get them down because otherwise they're gonna start punching you because they do a lot of damage but like Pinkies eventually get used to them. They're not that scary and you hear the cacodemon. You're like, okay, they're annoying They shoot the bigger fireballs and more dangerous fireballs. They're annoying. You just have to shoot him a bunch of times And then you finally encounter a Baron of Hell and you're like, OK, no, it is scary because this guy is going to very easily kill me. So he's not I mean, he's not scary. That's scary. Look, it's a little scary looking like he doesn't. I have to. He looks like a run of like he looks like classic depiction of like a demon or something. You know, he's got like the goat legs and horns like he looks like a demon. I know he has goat legs, but to me, it looks like he's just wearing khaki pants. I remember. My first time kind of playing through, you know, this is my first time playing the original Doom. The first pinky encounter kind of acted as a mini boss and I was like, Oh, this is like, this is crazy. then by like episode four, you're fighting like six at once. Yeah. It's just like, these guys are like sponges to me. Yeah. You definitely get used to it, but there's like moments where I'm like running around low health and it's dark. The room is dark and I turn and I see a caca demon face and I'm like, Fuck! Like it's not scary in the fact that like I'm gonna have nightmares about these like, you know, sprites and stuff, but like it's stressful the entire time. you're trying to survive and you're for your life the whole time. I'll say barons of hell are always like, I'm like, ⁓ shit. Because like, on ultraviolence, I did run away from them on multiple occasions. I would encounter one. And I would turn around and leave the area and come back later because I'm like way low Once I learned I didn't have to kill them, I'm like, okay, yeah, I just... Yeah. Sometimes, there are multiple episodes at the end of like, especially in three and four, I would get to the end and I'm like, I see the exit and I can get to it and there's still enemies around, I'm just gonna leave because I don't have an ammo. Yeah, plus, so there were some moments, I guess in terms of like talking about like how scary it is, like like episode three, like once you're are like later in two and then... into three, once you're like in hell, they start putting in teleporters. So yeah, you just like walking towards the square and send you somewhere else. And so like I go to a place and then there's always like noises of like doors opening and shit happening behind you around you. So you're like, okay, they can walk through doors and shit. Okay, that's fine. Like I'll go to an area, open a door, enemies in here, shoot them. Okay. And all of sudden hear portal sounds and like, hmm. What's going on here? Well, something's getting hit from behind by fucking cockadee. ⁓ shit. They can also walk through the portals. Yeah. Yeah. They'll also accidentally walk through it. Yeah. It was definitely it was like it was like that moment of ⁓ I thought of this. I just saw this earlier today. That episode of awkward scene hunger force when Master Shake is eating the sandwich and he keeps spinning it back out and teleporting. in and out of hell from the fucking guy that's trying to kill him. it's like you walk into a teleporter and like, oh shit, just run back immediately. What a good show. I miss that show. I need to go back and rewatch that show. So what did you guys think about the music? like, personally, that's that's one of my favorite things about the whole game. Yeah, it's yeah, it's really, really, I mean, iconic open theme. ⁓ It's really funny going from last month's game, which, you know, had heavy metal and the music really like ear latching music ⁓ like 30 second pretty badly ported metal like real instrument like on loop. Well done. would say the whole game was half was half baked. But we're not talking about that game. We're talking about Doom soundtrack, which was The way you do a metal soundtrack, like even with the 8-bit, 16-bit, whatever, it sounds so good. Like, you could tell the spirit of hell was in those bits. Mm-hmm. This game came out years before Iron Man, you know? Crazy, yeah. I had a way less to work with too. Did you, Jay, did you notice or Keith, well, probably not Keith, but Jay or Gabe, did you notice any similarities with some of the songs to real-life songs while you playing it? Not necessarily. There's one song in it that's very distinctly a lot of them actually are very similar to real life songs, but there's there's one as a distinctly a Slayer song and One of my Slayer shirts love it. I thought about wearing shirt. Yeah, but then I was like do doom guys at Space Marine. I'm Space shirt an astronaut Yeah, there's a mega death based track in it. But yeah, E3N3 ⁓ is very similar to Behind the Crooked Cross. That's Slayer song from... What is that? That's not Choto Mercy, it? ⁓ okay. It's Salvovheaven. Salvovheaven is probably my favorite 80s ⁓ original Slayer, by the way. Fun fact, I'm seeing Liam of God on Thursday, but I just want to throw that out there because I'm pretty stoked. Timestamp us. Jerk. They don't know what Thursday. Cut that. No, they don't look up the show when the Thursday. No, they know is that this wasn't recorded on a Thursday. It could be any day of the week. Yeah, The is great. Not all of them are. It's not always like a calendar sitting. It could be any day. Circled in red ink. Yeah, yeah. This day. Now the music's good. Well, it's great. It's really good. Not all of it is like metal, like, you know, rock and metal tracks. It's like some of it's very more like a more ambient sounding and spooky, creepy sounds. But like none of it, I don't think any of it's bad. Some of it better than others for sure, but none of it's It's not just like, I mean, the soundtrack's awesome, the music's really good, but like the notes sound design too. And I love, I love the sounds because you're like, sometimes you're walking around and you hear like from the walls. And it's not because like, it's just the general ambiance of like, whatever they're playing. Like there's like, there's monsters like nearby and you're hearing them like, something. Near me and like the way the monsters sound like I love I love the uh, I don't know. I just love the grunts like that. The growling like yeah calling. Um, I love the caca demon like screeching kind of sound I like I like when they're dying. They're like, yeah Yeah, yeah I don't know your best demon die. Yeah, the barren of hells scream that when he sees you is also triggers you. It's funny because it's also your grunt is the same noise that happens when you try to find a secret and then just a little bit of flies up when you're on a wall. When you find that secret, he doesn't be grunting. Yeah, I do want to go back to on visual presentation just real quick because one of the notes I had was that like I think even for like how like 2d 2.5d whatever animation like old animation this is like there's like small details like if you're in a dark room and you're firing the chaingun it like lights up the room a little bit like there's just a million tiny little things about this game that for its time had to have been like Like I can't imagine seeing Doom in 1993 for first time. One years old? Get out of He's not got motherfucker. And playing Doom. Yeah, that would probably be scary then. would be scary. Yeah, game ever played. Like my daughter watched me play some and the most common I got out of it was like I don't like that guy. But it's not like, don't want you to play that I don't want or anything like that. She's just like, like, I think it was the kakodemon actually, which is maybe arguably the most scary looking one. ⁓ Besides like maybe a pinky, I don't know. Pinkies are pretty traditionally scary looking. But I would say the kakodemons scariest looking one, short of like some like the bosses, like maybe. ⁓ But she that's that was just her comment was I don't like that guy. Like so. And my son, that guy sucks. My son. Like yesterday I was watching him stayed up from work and I was like playing on the big TV and he was just laying in my lap like I gave him a dead controller because I was like trying to play some and it was just me and him at the house. And so I was playing and he was like playing with the controller, but he was just like looking at the screen and like, I don't know, not crying or anything. Maybe it's like kind of scary. It's bad for him. We'll see in a couple of years how that affects him. Evil. ⁓ Yeah, my daughter watched me play a couple of times. I was just playing on the steam deck sitting on the couch. Yeah. And she has this like, don't know, she must have learned this from like kids at daycare. Like probably like I have two daughters to be clear. So like I don't have a son. So I don't get the like, you know, wanting to play with like toy guns or anything yet. But I know the kids at daycare definitely like the boys at daycare definitely do. And like, so she knows like, you know, like stuff like that, which she doesn't have to have guns. She's never been, know that, but she'd like, has this weird thing where she confused, somehow conflates the word like killing with like pew. Like, so it's like, she's like, you're, peeling him. And I'm like, it sounds like peeling. And I'm like, yeah, ⁓ maybe you shouldn't watch me play this because I'm like blasting, like the, it was like the, you know, the little guys with the pistols. I was like, she's learning how to defeat evil. Yeah, they're falling in like a heap of blood and like she's going to become a hero one day. There's like that quote that's like children know that dragons exist. Like you need to give them stories that show them they can be slain. So that's why I kind of like excuse it with it's like, yeah, I'm killing demons. They're evil. Don't worry. They're literally so easy. Look at this. Yeah, I'm down. You too can do this someday. Yeah, your son's old enough to play video games. You should be like, here you go, son. Hand him doom specifically as his first first person shooter. and put on ultra violence and then like, sorry, gotta get better. You gotta learn, kid. This is the best way to get better too. It will be cool one day to like couch co-op Doom with my like kids. Yeah. Have them couch co-op while I'm just sitting there coaching them. No, no, As my first time playing Doom, like my, I got so good at it by the end. It was unbelievable. It was like I had played Doom since 93 by like episode four. It does a really good job of rewarding. Like it, that's a, that's a thing definitely compared to last month's game. Like it teaches you as you go, as you're going, get, it's very well thought out the way you progress through, like you start out with the pistol and you find first time you find the shock and like, okay, sweet. The shotgun, you're like, okay, the shotgun is going to be like my main tool all the time. Pistol is my backup gun. And then everything else is like, you know, bonus weapons for doing certain things. And then like the game like shows you like the game's like. it's gonna be mean to you in a couple of sometimes you'll open a door or hit a switch and then like you hear tons of screaming and stuff dropped down there's monsters on like I never that never made me mad you know I mean like in Iron Man X of Man of War it's like the game hated you in a way that wasn't fun it loved hating you just like great it just doesn't like you like doom hates you in a way that is fun you like hit a switch and also like oh no and like it's super exciting and all of a sudden you're like getting blasted from all directions but you can still do it it's not unobtainable except for E4M1 ultraviolence it's sometimes regarded as the hardest level in Doom because you start out with just a pistol there's no health stimpaks that level was rough on hurt me plenty yeah in ultraviolence there are no stimpaks and there's not a lot of ammo and there's multiple barons of hell and you do get a shotgun but you're just limited to the ammo you're picking up off of the shotgunners that you kill and I think there's There's a plasma rifle on it, because I remember that's what I use. And there's a rocket launcher. Maybe there's not a plasma. There's a rocket launcher. But there's a secret in the room that's on the other side of the acid pit. I think that's one of the acid pits. Most of the time in the game, the acid pits are full of stuff where, OK, you fall in the acid pit, there's a way out, and there's secret out. Or there's a radiation suit down there or something. Yeah. And that one, you fall in and you die. Yeah. There's one of them that is a way out. But on the other side, I think there's not. there's a secret where you activate the torch. One of the torches that this one that's if you're walking in the room, it's the first one on the left. And when you do that, like five barons of hell spawn at once. you only you're playing on ultraviolence and you're probably near the end of it. And I had like, you know, a couple rockets and that was I can't kill these guys. It's just that. It's just you have a couple rockets and they drop those on you in like a confined space and You get splash damage. Yeah. Yeah. Rocket or something. That killed me more or hurt me a lot more than in the end. Yeah. See the game's teaching you valuable lessons. Don't shoot a rocket when you're next to a wall or really close to me because you get splash damage. Yeah. But like I would I would like panic pull out my rocket launcher, shoot a Baron of Hell, but he's two feet away from me. So I'm curious how if you guys got killed by it. Explosive barrels much because I'm so I was so careful about explosive barrels. Yeah, I use them a lot for killing Yeah, yeah, that was really fun. Super dangerous It is really funny when you end up inadvertently getting hit by one because like they throw a fireball and it throws a fireball at you and it hits one and it explodes and it pushes the barrels around, know, because when one explodes they get you can actually they can mess you up. Did you guys notice that? Enemies will fight each other to actually just point that out. One of my favorite things because you talked about the imp is like I noticed that an imp will throw a fireball. It'll hit a shotgun guy. I'll turn around and start shooting the imp. And like they just they'll start fighting each other. Sometimes you can kind of persuade the friendly fire on their side. Like you can just if I get just so he'll shoot at this guy. Yeah. Yeah. You actually you get an achievement like steam for doing that. It was like one the first things I did and I was like, ooh. I was even like on screen. weren't even like on screen. They were just fighting each other. They were having their own war. if an imp hits another imp, they won't fight each other. But different demons will fight different demons. Yeah. Like if you get an imp to shoot a cac demon or whatever, it'll be like you said, they'll just turn around and shoot each other. So it was interesting. Like if you get a room full of one demon, it's like, well, it's going to suck. But if you have a mix, then you can just get them all fight each other. I've walked into a couple rooms throughout the gameplay and like I haven't even been in this room and demons are fighting each other. of hell, baby. Well, it's really interesting because I mean, I don't even know that this is like part of the lore because there's not much lore to this game or anything. I know it's not this way in 2016, I don't think, but it almost gives you this feel that they're like factions of demons, like they're fighting each other. not even in the room, but they're fighting each other. I don't know, it's interesting how there's like little even little tiny stories. It just just in like that aspect of like, like, ⁓ can we assume that like, these demons, which makes sense, obviously, they're demons, but like, they don't get along, like with each other. We walk in the room that killing each other. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, I would assume demons hate each other. He's actually, ⁓ there's one where you there's one map where you start and you start the map and like there's two shotgun guys and they're actively firing at like yeah yeah yeah yeah that's like a thing they don't even see you there until like you make yourself seen as far as like we talked about the movement a bit already obviously it's super fast and movement aiming and just the general flow of the game right i think personally it's crazy how good they got it like how perfect this game feels to play like back in 1999, it was obviously revolutionary at the time. I think people kind of forget how revolution, and people, it's been talked about a lot, but people like by this point in 2026, people forget how revolutionary it was. It feels perfect to me. Like personally, there's nothing I would change about the way you move around, the way you shoot, the way you like just generally changing weapons, shooting, like backing up. Like it's all like, you know, the ability, like you get stuck on stuff sometimes, cause you're not paying attention. You get back in the corner, like by pinkies, you get chased by pinkies like. I don't know how you guys feel about it. If there's anything you don't like about it. To me, it's like, I, this is obviously, this is what created the genre of first person shooters. But eventually it spawned like, to be another thing is like, they weren't called first person shooters when Doom came out, obviously. And then after Doom came out, they weren't called first person shooters either. They were called Doom clones because Doom was Doom. So eventually they became known as first person shooters. Just this formula specifically, I love this so much more than like, I mean, I like, I like modern first person shooters too. They're fun. There's plenty of them out there that are good. ⁓ I don't play them like I used to, but like this game specifically, like the formula and the, just the boomer shooter, the boom shoots as people return. Now I love that formula and I love playing other versions of it. Like, I don't know if you guys liked it as much as I did. I had a lot of fun with it. Playing the, it was a blast. Like you said, there's. I think there's nothing about this game I would change. I wish I had given myself the time to try it on Ultraviolent. I will definitely be playing it again on Ultraviolent because Hurt Me Plenty was hard. again, I played the first few maps of episode one on Ultraviolent and that was fun, but I was like, I definitely am not gonna finish this game by the time we record if I don't bring down the difficulty a little bit. So I just went down one and played it. I 100 % wanna play. it on ultraviolet. Our experiences with actual combat and shooting and moving and stuff are slightly different between you guys playing on hurt me plenty and us playing ultraviolet. Because you guys are, Jay was mentioned earlier. He was just like, he's constantly, you're constantly running around and shooting stuff and there's nothing like stopping you. But like I would stop. I would back up. would hide. would play with the use doors to cheese enemies. Like I'd open the door, shoot, wait, back up door closes. wait for them to come up forward, open it again and so on multiple times. throughout the game. I was doing that too. We're just like staying on a cliff side or I could like go down, but I would, knew enemies were down there and I knew I could just shoot them if I just like put my crosshairs over top of them. I was like, I'll cheese a little. You kind of have to cheese. Back and forth behind the corner. Like shoot, jump out, shoot, jump back, you know, hide for a second. So they're not shooting at me, especially the dodge fireballs and stuff from imps. yeah, I don't know how extreme and like hectic the projectiles are and ultra violent, but I mean, I mean, for me, I generally had an okay time just dodging the projectiles. had more of a tough time with the guys that like ran up on you than the guys shooting projectiles. Cause like you just move so fast, even like laterally. Um, yeah, it feels pretty easy to dodge. What do you think, since you did play on ultraviolence? Well, I thought it was good. I was trying to say that I'm trying to think of like the difficulty. A lot of times, a lot of times when I the most damage I would ever take most of the time is be blowing myself up with a rocket. But the real I guess like, because like with always sprint on your your zoom in. it's like. The only time I'd really get hurt, would really a lot of hurt myself. Cause I'm also like, if I was low on ammo, I would, um, just try and punch the dude. had to do that a couple of times. Yeah. I don't want to say, I don't know if that happened to hurt me plenty guys, but there was a time, especially in episode four, where I just had to back up, run up a bunch of pinky and back up and keep doing it until it died. Cause I had nothing. had no ammo. Even like, even by the end, you're still like scrounging for ammo. feels like. Yeah. Yeah. Even on. The makes you so mad when you miss any of your weapons in this game. don't like that. Like the chainsaw was like, fuck, man, that's great. But even the chainsaw is tough. And this is something that there's something I have one point of contention I have feel about this game. But like chainsaws, not it's good. Obviously, you can sit there and chainsaw through an ember or something. But like if there's multiple enemies on you. they're still beating you up and shooting fireballs at you while you're chainsawing somewhere else. And chainsaw takes a certain amount of time, depending on how much HP the enemy has. If you're down to punching, like you better be finding something like that. Better be your goal because you're not going to make it if you're just punching stuff. OK, so like there is the berserk. That's what I was going to talk about. ⁓ yeah. Gameplay stuff is kind of vague in this game. It's like and there's no like. Like when you find a radiation suit which lets you just walk on acid in any environment, yeah, right. I don't know how long it lasts. The game is like, tell you how long it last. It blinks when it's about to run out like your screen. I didn't notice that. Maybe that's because I changed the lighting effect. I don't know. yeah, you get a green like hue over your screen and then it starts to blink when you're getting low. I never got a couple, maybe a couple of minutes. It's not super long. I never got that. My screen is the same way whenever I got it. The light visor. If you get the light visor too, it does the same thing. When you get invincibility or invulnerability, your screen just. Yeah, like that because when I got vulnerable, I'm sure you're vulnerable, but I had no idea where I was going. Like that black and white contrast is really harsh. Well, with Berserk, I don't know how long that lasts or if it doesn't end. I have no idea like how that if it didn't. I guess if you didn't have the because it turns your screen red. Mm hmm. If you guess the only visual cues are the only way to know maybe. I don't think you get text when you get it, but I don't think you get text when it disappears. Right. And it doesn't change your weapon back. Like it changes your auto-action. That's the thing I was gonna about Berserk. Maybe it's better on Erp Me Plenty or lower, but like on Ultraviolence, I feel like it's not worth using. like unless you're trying to save ammo, Yeah, you get a lot of punch damage. Like it obviously soups up your punching damage and you're running around punching stuff and you're killing them really quick, but you're still getting like beat up. and blasted like it does not make you less vulnerable punching. yeah, yeah. Like if you're in a room full of enemies, like all of all different types and you get berserk, you're like, oh, like this kind of sucks and you can switch back weapons. I don't think it changes your your damage if you switch I think only applies to you're just ignoring the berserk that you got which is fair. And it's like, but if you're in a room full like five pinkies, five imps, like, you know, shotgunners, like, I'm not going to use this for jerk because if I go to punch an imp, I'm getting blasted by shotgunners and get punched by pinkies. I'm just going to die really fast because you anytime you get caught up, like with a bunch of enemies around you, that's when you just your health is just like, and you're just gone. So you mentioned dodging stuff. Dodging is pretty easy most of the time. Every once in a while you get hit by like a rant. You end up getting hit by like a Baron of Hell's like green blast. You're like, ⁓ my God, because it's like it's like 20 something damage or something crazy like that. I mean guys did you guys like how your little face changes to super body when you get it? I don't exactly understand how armor works. know it reduces damage, but it also you don't you still lose health when you're getting there's Only your health goes down. Yeah, I think it's like more effective for certain types of damage might be like others But I am able to pinpoint like what is what but obviously you want to have the armor in the health so just stack all you can at all times. got to get that supercharged. So wow. it's pretty vague. A game should explain that more just like Iron Man. Well, guess it wasn't. Maybe it's in the manual. I I actually didn't read the manual for this game, so maybe I should have read the manual and you should have been expected to read the manual in 1993. That's true. So that's all you had. Yeah. They didn't have Internet back then on them computers. Like the level design is what makes this game like keeps it fresh. Like it's always obviously everything's every level super different. The Sons of Secrets and stuff. Lots of like hidden weapons. We should talk about this isn't listed on our but we should talk about the weapons specifically like because they're they're interesting. But going on the level design is like you know. I played the first few levels and that was kind of what I expected out of all of doom. And then you started getting keys and then by the end of the game, you have like six different keys between like the blue, red, yellow, regular keys and the skull keys. So it was like, became quite intricate. Yeah, it is. And I got lost. Like, you know, especially after like you find one or the two, one or two of the keys, but you're like trying to get the third one. it, levels kind of get big and mazy. I got lost in a of three keys to move forward. You definitely only need one. Sometimes there aren't all three keys and you're looking for a key that's not there. There's a level where there's just there's a red key in it and you don't need it to finish it. But I was like, I have to find it because I need to know what's behind this door. Yeah. It's gonna be something, you know, good. Most likely. But yeah, I don't think There's never more than three keys at once in a level, but later on they turn into skulls instead of cards, because I think the Mars levels its key cards as red, blue and yellow than later on. ⁓ there's an orange skull. It's like blue, red and orange. Yellow. Is it yellow? The skull? I'm slightly colorblind, so it looks orange to me. To be fair, it does look oranges. It does. Yeah. Even to us normal-eyed folks. But yeah, the level design like exploration like it's all about exploration. There's I mean there's the map but the map lets you explore the level and like I always feel like yeah I don't I didn't expect the levels to get as big as they did. ⁓ Yeah they get they get bigger pretty quickly too. I would say like you start episode one and like the map's not that big like I didn't use maps early on it wasn't till like maybe episode three where I started being like okay I need the map. Like, there is a significant jump in like between episode one maps and episode two. I'm like, ⁓ shoot, I am lost. Like I wouldn't have gotten lost in episode one because the map's so small. Which maybe that's why it was a free one because it just wasn't as big as later episodes. I was having that thought when you're like, because episode one. Especially E1M1, there's like a big giant open area you can see outside and there's, you can go to the secret area to get to it and it's like, it's just a huge open, like it seems very much less like designed than the later episodes where everything's really intentional. There's still like a big open areas in E2 E3 and E4 that you can access. Sometimes you can access them, it's just not possible. yeah, episode one has a lot more of that like void space that you can get to, there's like not that much in it. cheat for going like no clip like turning the clip. Oh yeah. didn't mess with I know there's a cheat but I didn't actually mess with it. Episode one is fairly straightforward, pretty linear, not that confusing. mean even the jump from episode. Episode one map one isn't it like that first room you're in and then you go through the hallway with the demons and the acid and then you go into one more room and that's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's very like it's literally like a straight. Like, yeah, like I said, like the game does a good job of like telling you like, all right, this is the basics. And then like you go through you one and one. Okay, that was really easy. And you want even you went into the second level is like, it is a lot bigger than the first person. So like already like, okay, this is pretty big. And then, of course, they get really big later on. But like, yeah, I always like. would try to explore the entire map and try to find secrets. I definitely haven't found all the secrets. Sometimes I would go through and get 0 % secrets. like, of course you can look them up and, I didn't want to do that. That's not fun that way. Yeah. Now this is the kind of game you don't really look stuff up. You just accept that you're not going to find stuff. Yeah. I did like you do your best. I looked up one thing also. I like the bun thing. I had to look up an exit cause I was like, it was episode, it was episode three. I think it's mission. five or six, I forget which one it is. It's like you're surrounded by fire. It was like on basically a little island. You just got run around. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that level. I killed everything got every item, almost every secret. I'm like, where the fuck is this exit? Because I had to look it up. Yeah, so you're talking about it's it's an island in the lake. And then there's like, it's like in an inner side or something like one big island in a big lava. lake and yeah yeah there's a lot of suits and you have to run around to get like run around i i had to like fucking like look up like it's like i got a radiation suit i'm literally running around the edge of the fucking map where do i go i didn't um i didn't look it up but i did do a safe state like right after one of the last suits that i could pick up and just like trial and error my way to the map and with the suit until i did find the exit I'm sure I've looked up that exit in the past, the last time I played it, but I didn't this time, that level specifically, but I, and I found it on accident. So I was just running through other places. What was annoying when I looked it up is I was like, Oh my God, I was up here. Like I had already been up because you, what it is is you have to like go in this temple, go through this teleporter. It teleports you up on the ledge of a roof and you have to then jump down into like a walled off area. And then. Like you can continue. And I did that, but I didn't like put two and two together where, ⁓ I have to jump into this hole. Cause I thought maybe it was just a secret thing or something. I don't know what I thought, but was ⁓ like, once I looked it up and they were like, yeah, you just jumped down in and I was like, ⁓ my God, what the fuck? were some exits in general where I was like, that is like, I got it. No problem. But after getting it, like I immediately felt like that is really like hidden. I'm lucky I had gotten that so easily. had to look up an episode, I think I posted it in the Discord. was like, if anyone needs to find this. Yeah, two. It was episode two, maybe map four. was like, anyone can't find out how get to this word? It's a hidden skull switch. It's like you got to drop down in the lava pit and find it. And you can't easily see it when you're standing on it, but it's just out of view. There's like a little alcove. You run through the lava pit and you like switch it. And I was like, I had look at it. was like, ⁓ okay. Well, there it is. Because I was just wandering around the map and I was like, I can't find it. there was, there was one also where you have to like, you're in like one of the like, radioactive waste pits, and there's two pillars, and you come out of one pillar, and it's all radioactive waste. And you have to go around to another pillar ⁓ in the pillar and teleport. Yeah, but I figured that one out. But I was like, I figured that out by chance. Like I was like, I was like just running around. It's actually what it is. It's exactly what you're talking about, Kiefer. was just like, okay, there's got to be something I'm missing. And I was like going through every part of the map and I just happened to run around and like notice that. Pillar had also had a teleporter in it. I was like, fuck. That's something with the level design, like generally in later levels too is like, I feel like you have to walk through the like harsh terrain. Like Yeah. the level. it is primary to like beating the level. have to walk through the lava and hurt your health at certain parts. There's that one like blood maze. Like the fucking blood maze where you're like have to go through it all. like, it's literally a maze, but like the terrain you're walking through the whole time is like hurting. And they give you plenty of radiation chute suits for that and stuff. But I'm like, if you wasted too much time in here, you'd be screwed. You guys so this is something we actually didn't clarify this earlier. We should have talked about it before Did anyone besides me finish all four episodes? Was it only me? I did finish them all. Okay. Yeah, but on Yeah, if you did do also no, no, I got to do Part of it map five. Yeah, I was gonna say there's this one episode forest is tough and there's this one level I don't remember which one. It's maybe eight Six seven somewhere around there six seven or eight something like that. It's yeah. Yeah. And you get to you're like it's super it's a super obnoxious level because you like every there's like a water pit but I think it's not water it's something that hurts you below you the whole time and you're like teetering across and you finally you probably remember this you get there's like a staircase that leads up and there's a bunch of pinkies you can see the pinkies up there the whole time and like that's it get to them until you unlock certain things. You finally find your get the key and you're like, okay, climbing up the staircase to fight the pinkies. You get up there with the pinkies and then a wall drops down and there's a, ⁓ cyber demon. There's a cyber demon mid level. Yeah. And you just start blasting him with rockets. There's a ton of rockets ammo for you to pick up so you can blast it back. And I'm like, dude, come on. I'm blasting him. And of course it's someone, you don't have to fight people enemies with rockets very much, but their rockets are super deadly. Obviously just like yours are. And you just hit by one. You just get like. Yeah blasted back. was tons of damage and there's a secret right there in that section and I looked it up later because it's like I didn't get any secrets on this map. What are the secrets? Because I finished it and I was like or I saw where once you kill him, which I did, I killed him naturally by shooting him a bunch of times and there's a little there's a BFG sitting behind him. Yeah I played that. How do I get that? And if you had gone back and hit the teleporter you would have tele-fragged them and it would have killed him by just going you because you were coming to the help where he was standing on. I did that. I killed a little Baron of that way. I could teleport on to him. I don't know. That was the thing. I wish I had walked over where the teleporter was because I ran back to the beginning to kill ⁓ the Baron of Hell that was hiding in the back. I left. I need to like kind of recoup before I go back up there and fight this guy. That way could lure the cacodemons that were coming out and kill those first. So I was just fighting the cyberdemon. And so I had walked past it like twice and didn't see it and then step on it. And if I had stepped on it, would have killed, you know, tail-thragged them instantly and got the BFG. That's funny because I did the exact same thing. I like fought him like with rockets and everything and I killed him. And then I looked over the wall and the BFG sitting there I'm like, Oh, I guess I just can't get that because I was touching all over and stuff. And I was like, there's a, we can talk about the bosses because we actually haven't mentioned the bosses. And I mean, Every episode has a boss at the end and there's like kind of there's some kind of like mini bosses like the first time you encounter a burn of hell. It's like a mini boss. Yeah, but like episode one's boss is a cyber demon and he's not that tough because you have a bunch of room to run around. Yeah, shoot rockets at him like the boss is the end level bosses in this game. Not that tough actually for as tough as a lot of the other parts of the game are as long as you like saved up a lot of ammo. That'd the only thing that'd be the only common is like Well, no, because the cyberdemons pretty easy. I had a lot of trouble with the spider, David. I love the spider because the second like you walk in and he noticed you and starts firing, he melts your health bar. And I don't know if it's just because I didn't have my resources left by the time I was facing him. It was pretty hard for me. And what I was doing originally was going around because there's also in that fight with the site, there's. two Kako demons, a Baron of Hell, and then the Spider Demon, and I was going around like, ⁓ I don't want to be fighting the Spider Demon while I'm fighting these guys, so let me take them out first, and then I'll deal with him. And I think that was my mistake, because once I just went straight for the Spider Demon and start blasting him, that's when I finally beat him. But I cleared that guy so fast that I was like, Huh? Because I did the same thing you did. But I used rockets to kill the Akademons and the Barons of Hell and I'm running around grabbing everything. I was like, OK, I know if I fall, I jump down from this platform, I'll have to fight. can't get back up and I have to fight him. But I had the BFG and so I just like knelt him and put the BFG in like a I was like, well, it was super easy. gun makes everything easy. The BFG 9000. That's that's my other thing. I rarely use the BFG. Yeah, like I saved it for Super Bosses. had, yeah like, would have it, but I just rarely used it. The Spider Demon was like one of the instances where I didn't have it and like I really wish I had. I mainly like, I used my shotgun as much as I could for as much of the game and then like just tried to save all the big weapons as much as I could. ⁓ so I was pretty prepared for- the boss fights that made some of the journeys to those bosses a little tougher at points just because you're like stuck with your shotgun but I was dying on that hill I would hit a horde and be like okay it's time to pull out the plasma rifle or it's time to pull out the gatling I had like a tier of guns that I would use I would like the shotgun then chain gun then plasma rifle then although I will say I know three rockets killed the Kako demon in hurt me plenty so that's That's the only other thing is like, would like if I saw a kakodemon, I'm instantly switching over the rocket launcher blasting three times, switching back over to like my shotgun to be like, he's dealt with because it takes a lot of shotgun ammo to like kill a kakodemon. It takes like six on ultraviolence. Oh, it just feels like a lot. I mean, that is a lot. Yeah. There's also damage fall off for distance. So the closer an enemy is, the more damage you I noticed that. Significantly. Like you can kill him in like one shot if he's close, but if he's far away, it takes multiple. Yeah. Once they introduced the plasma gun that turned into my favorite gun in the game, I think. I like, I was stockpiling ammo for that as much as I could. Like finding secret areas just to find ammo for that gun. My, yeah, my methodology for the weapons was always run around with the shotgun and pretty much even blast cacodemons and stuff with the shotgun. would, when I found a barren of hell, I would switch to the missile, the rocket launcher. I would save rocket launchers for Barons of Hell. ⁓ Chaingun was just the backup for the shotgun if I ran out of ammo for the shotgun. Unless it was a room full of enemies or the stupid lost souls, the flaming skulls. I hate those things. I would just pull that out because it's always a ton of them and you just smoke a bunch of them at once. So then if I had the plasma rifle and had ammo for it, I would use that sometimes just to kill Kaka demons and Barons of Hell because I wouldn't waste it. I would just spray on like the little guys because it would kill them pretty fast. You it cacodemons really fast, but for the bosses, I would save the rocket launcher and the BFG if I had it. I had the BFG pretty much every time. Or use too much ammo, like from the plasma rifle. The plasma rifle is like, you're expecting to hit because it kind of tracks, but it doesn't always. It kind of falls. And it's hard to find ammo for it, for sure. And it shares ammo with the BFG. And BFG uses like 20, I think, of them per shot. So if you use all your plasma rifle ammo. And then you just can't use the BFG. Yeah. What was the who's the big bad guy in three in episode three? What's the final boss in episode three? Is it another spider demon? I that was the spider. That's what I was going to say. said that episode one was the cyberdemon, but I think episode two was the cyberdemon and episode three was the spider demon. You're right. Because it's just a couple of barons of hell. Episode one was two barons of hell. Yeah. Yeah, which is really funny compared to later on when you fight like three of them at once. I'm pretty sure I posted it in the Cart Creeps official Discord when I finished episode three when I killed the spider demon. Well, that's what I was curious what the final boss in episode four was. It's a spider demon and barons of hell and a bunch of other enemies. Like all at once. Yeah. a small space. I got as much smaller space in the end of the other ones because all the other ones are pretty open, which is easy. It makes it easier because you can't get stuck and get blasted. But yeah, here we go. I beat this, which is episode three's final level. I got 100 % kills, 100 % items, 100 % secrets in one minute, five seconds, one minute, five, five, 22. And the part time is one 45. There must have been like one thing that you could open or something like that. can't remember. There's not more than like one thing. if you can find a BFG in this. I got a few triple hundreds. I already had my playthroughs, which felt really cool. There was no spots in this game where you guys were like, I can't play this right now. Like it's too hard. I don't think so. Right. ⁓ no, not like too hard. Just like I'm sleepy and I'm making too many mistakes. Yeah. I didn't want to go back to like the or I'm too scared. Yeah. the fortress of mystery, because that was like, if I had known about the maps, that would have been a lot nicer. give me a headache. That's what I stopped. was just like a lot of the same looking room and like, with like mostly dark rooms with a little bit of flashing. So you mostly couldn't see where you're going. And it just took a long time to like figure out the map without the map. to say, yeah, ⁓ like Did you never use the map? you just used it? Nope. That's crazy. That's funny. What do these other buttons do? Nothing, I guess. I feel like I tried them all. I would not use it. Like I said, I didn't use it early on. This is an old game. They didn't even have a Y triangle button back then. I use it all the time. But Jason didn't know what it looks like. You press Y or the top button at least and it pops up. But it's live. It's real time. it doesn't cause pain anything. Which does suck. I did get hit while I was looking at it. Yeah. I don't know how I didn't get the map because I don't know how I wouldn't have pressed Y. You know, I'm sure I would have. I've pressed it. Yeah. There's not a lot of buttons in Doom. All you do is run and shoot. Yeah. And X and activate stuff. That's it. And then the map is the other button. And pause, I guess. Quick save. So what about... Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that that wasn't there in the original. What about your favorite moments? I just... Going back to the evil world that I got to live in the evil pixel world. like shooting the demons in hell. ⁓ The music was really good with it. Just the whole, world it puts you in is awesome. And again, 1993, that's crazy to me. Yeah. Head of his time in so many ways. Yeah. It's, it's insane. It's a really good game. ⁓ I wanted to mention this earlier, but like, you know, like if the game is just really good, it doesn't. You don't even, you can't even tell you're playing a game that's like 30 years old. just, you're just like sucked into playing the game and it feels good. that's how Zoom felt. Not letting you sneak that one in. This is a classic. I'm glad to finally play it. I'll probably play it more. What's your favorite, favorite moments? I don't know. like, I can't. I can't pick just so many, you know, I like from like, from the time I started the game to like, like getting through episode five, like last night, I just yeah, no, yeah, sorry, episode format five. ⁓ I just had like such a blast the whole time. Like I said, I'm going to play this game. Like, I'm not surprised that you've played this game, however many times you have, because I'm definitely going to like I'm going to play this game. I'm going to play Doom 2. My favorite part isn't anything in particular in the game, but like that it's opened me up to, cause I haven't really tested out. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I guess my favorite part is I'm like, I can't wait to play like more like boom shoots or like things like this. I like just the genre of games that's opened up to me. I'd say that's my favorite part. It's. It's it was a blast. It was a nice little relief from I mean, and again, I'm shitting on Golden Sun because I have to play a 30 hour game in a month and I just don't have the time to do that. But it was a nice relief like break from Golden Sun, which I am enjoying, just to be clear. But it just is something completely different. And I mean, I almost want to finish Golden Sun like this week so I can just play Doom the rest of month or whatever game's next. Keith? Yeah, I think that my favorite moment, I think it was also in episode three, I believe. When I first got the BFG, the room that it was in, when you open the door that has it in there, all of a sudden a bunch of demons pinkies, imps, and even fucking Baron of Hell, they all just start spawning in behind you once you open the door. Or at least there's an already imp in there. Once you kill the imp, then all the shit starts spawning in. There's a door in there and you open it. There's the BFG. And it's turning around and just blasting everything with the BFG. was like, this is fucking amazing. And so yeah, I really, really enjoyed that. That's probably my favorite moment. I was just like, ⁓ this is fucking sick. ⁓ but also because I was in a really tiny room, so I didn't have to like sprint and move around to give myself a headache again. So yeah, really realistically, that was probably the best part was just sitting in one spot and just shooting everything inside. Just felt amazing. There's an achievement for dumping 200 rounds from the chain gun without stopping. But nice. There's also an achievement for killing, I think, five or more enemies. Yeah. Five seconds with the plasma gun. Yeah. There's also a trophy for which I got, which is killing. one enemy with the BFG because I missed and only hit one guy. I did that too. I laughed really hard about it at the time, but I was also very disheartening. was like, Oh, God. think I'm gonna switch to that shot. But yeah. What about you, Ryan? My favorite moment was when I cleared diss on ultraviolence 100 % all across the board and under part time. randomly without really trying. Like specifically that was my favorite moment. The whole game playing it again is like my favorite. My favorite moment. Like I love this game. Like the vibes in general and like they're amazing. The way it feels atmosphere, the sound, the way the combat, like everything that we talked about so far. I like all of it. Like there we do have here, like what would you change? I mean, you can't obviously we're not asking. ⁓ It to change a game that's 33 years old, but they're remaking it they make it third Yeah, I mean if the some of the boss final bosses and ends of episodes were a little bit tougher because I mean I I get it like if you're good playing well enough to save up a bunch of ammo for The power weapons and stuff like that, then it's not that hard, but I guess I could just play on nightmare I really wanted to be harder and yeah, that's the only thing. I've always nightmare. We spoke about this. I don't really understand what the rampage is for on ultra violence. At least maybe it's better on lower difficulties. It just seems like I don't, I don't ever want to use it. Like I hit it, I'll pick it up. Cause you got to hit it for the pickup saying the account, you know, for items, but I just changed back to my shotgun. also doesn't increase your health. I don't know. I don't think so. Cause like, I do love when you're like, the game like teases like in a dark room there's a supercharge like there's a blue orb sitting in there or like it's like the face and you're like I need to get that I have to find that it compels you to find everything that's all the sections where you are like you're in a hallway or something but there's like a half wall and you can't get to it but you're like I'm gonna figure out how to they show you something like yeah you can get over there somehow something I wanted to find a way to get over you see that mountain something I want to come back to was like you were talking about how you can see the pinkies up where the cyberdemon is you're talking about that's consistent throughout the game you can like see like, like hordes of enemies and you're like, I can take care that now or can take care of it. And sometimes I take care of it later because you're like, yeah, sometimes take care of it later because you're like I really need every bit of ammo I have right now for whatever I'm about to face. I can't worry about that yet. And then like you get up there and you like reload it and you're like, okay, this is going to be really good. This is going to be fun. So we've already mostly covered this just based on what we've just been talking about. Would you finish this game again? It seems like the answer is yes across the board. don't know, Keith, would you play it again? No. You seem to be the only one that has apprehension about it. I play a different version to maybe maybe like a different. don't know if like I did enjoy playing it again. I did have just personal issues just playing it. Skill issues. More more more more like morally. just I was just against it really. Too many demons. I can't play this. You're killing the demons. don't like all the satanic stuff. But no, that's like you want them to win because you would Interesting. Yeah. The like having like the headaches and kind of dizziness a bit playing it did kind of impact my enjoyment of it. ⁓ But I still like the stuff that I was able to like get through. I was enjoying it. I still did have fun. I don't know if I would actually go back and play it. ⁓ You know, maybe again, maybe I'll try Doom 2, maybe just fiddle with the settings and maybe that won't fuck me up again. Or I'll just play Doom 2016 again. don't know. But I did enjoy it. would play it again. Or not that. Definitely play it again. What I was going to say is like me and you are the only ones who did it on Hurt Me Plenty. I want to play it again really soon because I really want to try it on Ultraviolent. And that but if I tried it on Ultraviolent, I don't know if I personally would have, but I don't know. work with it. Yeah. ⁓ and make us better. also whenever I downloaded the games on Steam deck, like I saw it was a 13 gig download and I was like, why is this 13 gigs? And then like you download the game and just like 12 games. So I'm really curious as to what there's other like games in that package offer. Cause I hadn't heard of any of those other ones that aren't doomed named. You know? Yeah, I was looking through them and they kind of look, I mean, they look like doom, but I don't know if that's, I'm sure they all play very similarly, but you know, different level. all just looks like doom to me. Which is a great thing. love the way you I'll probably try all those too. You're right. So there's a lot of that to play even within like its own. Ryan's been talking to Kultic for a long time. So I might try that too. Kultic is my favorite, like modern boom shoot that I've played so far. And I've played ⁓ a bunch of them. It's it's a really good one the vibe it the atmosphere is really cool. It's the best part about it Dusk is really good too dusk has been out longer it it feels more like quake than Doom I mean cultic you could argue it's either one, but it feels more doomed to me to me I actually haven't played through the entirety of quick, but I've played a lot of games like it So yeah, I would suggest cultic first for anyone else. It's like once a really good, you know Modern BIM shoot experience, but there's there's that one. There's Warhammer 40k bolt gun, which is a good game, too. It's some parts of it. I'm like, all right, what am I doing? Like, why is this taking so long? Where am I supposed to go? There's ⁓ dusk is a good one. Like I said, ⁓ there's a bunch. I'm trying to think if there's any more that I would specifically recommend. Like I have a bunch. I mean, Duke Nukem 3D. Like that's another Very. Yeah, that's a good one. That's the one I played when I was on 64. Hell yeah. Yeah. Duke Nukem is cool. Doom 64 is cool. That's a separate game on Steam. Doom 64 is also cool. It's different levels and stuff. It's not inside of Doom 1 and 2. You know, in the Steam package, I haven't even played Doom 2 and the rest of the stuff in this game itself. So I'd probably play those first. But yeah, check out cultic. Oh, there's also a mid evil. Like it's like medieval, but it's Amid a MIT evil. It's like a fantasy themed shoot. It's a shooter. You're shooting like magic and stuff. It's cool. There's a couple other ones out there that are similar to that. it's one there's a ⁓ Was that one of the ones in here? No, no, it's separate. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's I'm service to EVIL. EVIL luchin. Yeah, I'm doing a disservice to quite different shoots, but there's another it's a medieval is obviously a lot like there's a old school like medieval themed boomer shooter style game that I can't think of the name right now. But yeah, I would obviously play this again. I'll play this again. I'll play this game a lot. Keep playing it. I love this game. Love all these games. Does it still hold up today? Absolutely. You should play it crazy that it's so old and still plays so well. Right. It's so good. Yeah, it is. It really is. Along with Iron Man, Nexon and Aurora. Just couple of times. This is my favorite game we've played so far in this first season. It's my favorite we've played so far. I like Pokemon during our game too a lot, but this is I like this more, obviously. I know if you guys feel the same way. I can agree with that sentiment. This has definitely been my favorite so far. yeah, so hopefully I like Zero Mission a lot. I did enjoy it. Yeah, Zero Mission was really fun. I like this more. I mean, this is my favorite. I liked them both a lot. Yeah, there's some close. I mean, obviously, I personally love Super Castlevania 4. But the game I picked, Metroid and Syrvish, that's my favorite so far. my favorite. Yeah, everyone just. Jay doesn't have a favorite. No, I don't like any Maybe tonight's the night. Yeah, if you get lucky, let's see if can get lucky. I doubt it. I doubt it. Let's rig the system. for your old Johnny. So for old John boy, the new game that's been added to the wheel. So my three choices, which are voted on by members of the discord were to shut up crash bandicoot to destruction Derby two, because we don't have we haven't had a racing game on here at all. And I think I played destruction every one as a kid. I remember being kind of fun. So I was like, Oh yeah, put the second one on here, whatever. See if people vote. Nobody voted for it. And the third was super star wars turn to the Jedi. Cause we had discussed, we actually discussed it, I think last episode it came up somehow. And then we talked about it after the fact in the, in the discord, we discussed it with our friend Alan. was like, I put this as a kid, you guys should play this. And I was like, okay, I'll put that on our list. And so we had people vote on it and the winner was super star wars return to the Jedi. So that's what we have on here. I'll run through the list real quick again when we scrambled up a little bit. Castlevania, Sins of the Night, Metal Warriors, Final Fantasy VII, Shadow Tower, Demons Crest, Resident Evil 2, Space Station Silicon Valley, Shantae, WWF Smackdown 2, Know Your Role, Medievil, Act Raiser, Final Fight, and Star Wars, Super Star Wars Return of Jedi. our chains? Medievil, Shantae, Medievil, and Space Station Silicon Valley. Yep. Are you ready? Big money. Ready for J to lose again. Probably. my god. Slowing down. I'm so nervous. ⁓ It might be J. might be J. Finally. Let's go. Nice. Space station Silicon Valley for. Exciting. Hell yeah. Been wanting to play this for a while. So. I'm so happy for you, Jay. The squeaky wheel gets the oil after all. have any of y'all played Super Mario Odyssey? Yes. So you know how he has like the hat powers and all that, right? Some say, some say that this game did it first. So this game is like an N64 platformer. You know, I don't know if it's a collectathon or not, but I know it's like a platform puzzle game and you're like a robot microchip thing and you take control over other animals and That's why you can play game already looks It's gonna be like one of those games that's gonna be like kind of like fun like just yeah, I'm excited to play this. Um, it'll be quirky It's like your class. Yeah, 64. Yeah, I might actually I've never buy this game physically to play either. Um, yeah, you should you I actually did not know it was a place really I picked it specifically for N64 but apparently you can play it on PlayStation as well. wonder if the experience is... I don't know. I'll have to look into that. yeah, I'm excited for this game. think we'll have fun with You can also play it for Game Boy Color. If you want to do that. I finally won, fellas. I'm so happy for you. the podcast. Have fun playing this game, asshole. ⁓ You finally don't play don't show That other podcast Well, I hope you guys enjoyed listening to talk about doom a game that everyone you think would have played by now but somehow only 25 % of the podcast and play it now they know how good it is and they are converted to being boom shoot fans like myself ⁓ So if you want to talk about doom or you want to talk about next month's game, space station Silicon Valley, please join the discord and get in there and start talking about anything, really anything retro game related or just anything at all. Talk about Wartle. Yeah, yeah, you talk about Wartle. Watch Keith cheat at Wartle in real time. I just know more words than you do. You join and then you make that, know, you decide for yourself if he's cheating or not. try and beat me. Episode five. Wow. We did it.