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Movie Star Alec Baldwin Claims PTSD "AFTER HE SHOOTS DIRECTOR DEAD" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, thirty Rock Boss, Baby Hunt
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Speaker 1: for Red October, countless appearances on Saturday Night Live. That
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Speaker 1: can only mean one name, Alec Baldwin. That name is
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Speaker 1: a household name, Alec Baldwin. But what about the name
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Speaker 1: Helena Hutchins, the woman most legal legals believe he shot dead. Baldwin,
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Speaker 1: whether you agree or disagree with all of his political leanings,
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Speaker 1: has always had a reputation for being let's just say impetuous.
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Speaker 1: That may be one way to put it. He's been
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Speaker 1: called the Bloviator because of his frequent angry outbursts. But
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Speaker 1: the shooting Helena Hutchins is a whole another thing. What
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Speaker 1: is seemingly an accident is being let's say, view through
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Speaker 1: a different lens. Now that his wife has taken to
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Speaker 1: the airwaves to complain about her and her husband's treatment.
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Speaker 1: Now remember, you've got a beautiful young woman, a mother,
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Speaker 1: a wife dead. Many people would argue, this is not
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Speaker 1: the time for you to complain about how you the
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Speaker 1: shooter and his wife are being mischaracterized in the media.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to I like Baldwin's wife, Hilaria Baldwin.
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Speaker 1: One thing I've learned from entering this famous world is
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Speaker 1: that when you get negative attention, whether it's controls or
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Speaker 1: tablic media, and people say to you, I'll just ignore it.
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Speaker 1: That's what they want to be given them attention. This
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Speaker 1: is literally what they want. The issue is if you
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Speaker 1: don't say anything, you're giving them a space for them
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Speaker 1: to speak for you, and your silence sometimes speaks enough
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Speaker 1: for them to be able to commandeer your story. But
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Speaker 1: it's tricky because you don't want to be constantly just
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Speaker 1: responding to every single, crazy, crazy thing that they say.
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Speaker 1: One thing I want you guys to start to maybe
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Speaker 1: hear from me is that there's a difference between covering
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Speaker 1: a new story and creating a news story. We oftentimes
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Speaker 1: have people creating news stories about us. So instead of
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Speaker 1: speaking out about the dead woman, or her child, or
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Speaker 1: her husband or the pain that her family is going through,
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Speaker 1: she chose that moment to discuss how she and her
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Speaker 1: husband are being betrayed in the media. While everything she
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Speaker 1: said maybe true was at the right time to lament
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Speaker 1: your misfortune, I mean, as he graced this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation.
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Speaker 1: In series M eleven, all Poor Mothing and whining aside.
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Speaker 1: Many people believe what happened to Helena Hutchins was in
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Speaker 1: fact an accident. Does anyone really believe Alec Baldwin meant
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Speaker 1: to shoot Helena right there on the set, a woman
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Speaker 1: he had been working with for some time, a woman
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Speaker 1: well liked and very talented. Probably not. But what does
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Speaker 1: the law say? The law says two conflicting things in
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Speaker 1: this scenario. Number One, accident. Accident is a complete defense
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Speaker 1: under the law. If this was an accident, he is
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Speaker 1: totally exonerated. The law also says that the law presumes
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Speaker 1: you intend the natural consequence of your act. If I
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Speaker 1: take a piece of fine china so fine you could
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Speaker 1: practically see through it, and I throw it to a
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Speaker 1: cement floor, the law will presume I intend to break it.
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Speaker 1: I intend the natural consequence of my act. So when
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Speaker 1: you take a weapon and point it at someone and
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Speaker 1: fiddle with the hammer, the law assumes you intend the
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Speaker 1: natural consequence of your act. Two. In this case, this
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Speaker 1: fact scenario conflicting legal assumptions. Again, I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thanks for being with us. What happened?
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Speaker 1: And why is Baldwin giving full on interviews as well?
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Speaker 1: As his wife's spouting off on Instagram with me and
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Speaker 1: I'll star Padel. Wendy Patrick, California Project You, author of
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Speaker 1: Red Flags on Amazon. You can find her at Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick PhD dot com. She's the host of Today with
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Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy at KCBQ, San Diego. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalysts joining us out of LA at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com, and you can see her. She's in the
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Speaker 1: hit series Bleeding Empire on Netflix. Paul Zeke, former police commander,
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Speaker 1: author of Stop Him From Killing Them on Amazon Wow.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Stop Him from Killing Them
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Michelle Duprie with US forensic pathologists, former
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Speaker 1: medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. But at
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Speaker 1: first to Alexis Terreschut Crime Online dot com investigative reporter Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I know you're in the thick of it there in LA,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to take a listen to again.
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Speaker 1: Hilaria Baldwin, this is our cut forty. I speaking out
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Speaker 1: on Instagram now. My husband is suffering from PTSD right
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Speaker 1: now is something that not just from what has happened recently,
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Speaker 1: but he's been suffering from this very very, very long time.
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Speaker 1: So now I'm hearing instead of about the victim in
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Speaker 1: this case that bled out there's a hole in her
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Speaker 1: jacket spurting blood on the set, I'm hearing about Alec
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Speaker 1: Baldwin's PTSD. Okay, some would say, don't care, but Alexa's terrest, Chuck,
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Speaker 1: Why is he giving full on interviews and why is
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Speaker 1: his wife speaking about what he's going through right now?
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Speaker 1: Helena is dead. He is dead, and Hilaria has been
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Speaker 1: criticized over and over since has happened. She put she's
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Speaker 1: been on her social media. She put up a picture
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Speaker 1: of the kids on Halloween, you know, two weeks after
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Speaker 1: it happened, saying, you know, we've been through a really
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Speaker 1: tough time, but here's some super tu picture of our
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Speaker 1: whole family, and people immediately slammed her, saying, you are
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Speaker 1: not at all being any way sensitive to this little
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Speaker 1: boy who was lost to family. No one needs to
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Speaker 1: see pictures of your kids, they really don't. You can
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Speaker 1: take these pictures, you can put them up in your house,
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Speaker 1: you can sew into your parents, but this doesn't need
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Speaker 1: to be something where people think you're bragging about having
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Speaker 1: all your children alive when this woman's little boy is dead.
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Speaker 1: Hold on just a second, Alexis terrest Chuck with me,
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Speaker 1: longtime friend and colleague joining me from La Alexis. You
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Speaker 1: said something that I've got to go to Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: on Doctor Bethany Marshall is with us, guys, renowned psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: to the stars in La Doctor Bethany. In this world,
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Speaker 1: it's almost as if you don't post it, it didn't happen.
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Speaker 1: That's right, if you don't think this faithing a little
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Speaker 1: more than that's right. So let me rephrase my question
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Speaker 1: that's I used in trial when the witness was not
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Speaker 1: saying what I wanted the witness to say. Let me
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Speaker 1: rephrase your honor, then me look at the witness and
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Speaker 1: try again. What is that when people believe or they
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Speaker 1: act as if they can't really believe it, If they
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Speaker 1: don't post it, then it didn't happen. It's a whole
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Speaker 1: if a tree fall. If a tree falls in the forest,
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Speaker 1: does anybody does it make a sound if nobody hears it?
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Speaker 1: Blah blah? What is that, Doctor Bethanie? That feeling you've
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Speaker 1: got to post everything to make it real? Oh, I
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Speaker 1: see what you're saying. I call it tone deaf on
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Speaker 1: her part and very self referential. Her life is completely
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Speaker 1: relf around Bethany. We're not at all psychoanalysts to the stars.
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Speaker 1: You got to slow it down a little bit. Take
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Speaker 1: from a DMPA out of sixty and maybe I can
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Speaker 1: understand you go ahead, self what self referential? Everything refers
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Speaker 1: back to her and to her family. Remember, one of
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Speaker 1: the things she posted is that her husband, Alec Baldwin,
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Speaker 1: has had PTSD for a long long time, well before
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Speaker 1: this accident. She's trying to claim that he has post
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Speaker 1: traumatic stress disorder from being a star. He say, why,
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Speaker 1: please stop, please stop. I need to just soak that in. Okay, Look,
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer doing my thing. Alec Baldwin
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Speaker 1: is a big, huge movie star. You many times. I've
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Speaker 1: seen Boss Baby and Boss Baby two with the children,
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Speaker 1: so he's this huge mega star. I'm just a trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like this is a David
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Speaker 1: and Golia thing here. But did you just say he
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Speaker 1: has PTSD from being a star. That's what his wife
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Speaker 1: is claiming. Can you imagine if there wasn't like a
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Speaker 1: childhood trauma He didn't fight overseas, he wasn't in a
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Speaker 1: car crash, he wasn't a crime victim, he wasn't in
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Speaker 1: a hurricane. The PTSD is from being a star. That
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Speaker 1: can't be true. Are you sure? Why does Alec Baldwin
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Speaker 1: have PTSD? Okay, go ahead, I'm sorry. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: if the President of the United States said, oh, I
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Speaker 1: have PTSD because I'm on the news every night, or
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Speaker 1: any other big star. See what happened. What's happening is
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Speaker 1: that Hilaria not only is she tone deaf, Haara Halararia
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Speaker 1: Halaria is tone deaf. In posting her children's cute Halloween pictures,
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Speaker 1: she's saying that her husband, who chose to be a
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Speaker 1: TV star, who's from a family of stars, is traumatized
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Speaker 1: by his prominent position in society. And the fact that
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Speaker 1: she is saying that means that she is covering over
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Speaker 1: the fact that there was a huge tragedy Helena's death.
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Speaker 1: See it detracts from that. It takes the whole public
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Speaker 1: attention down to different road. Poor Alec. He has PTSD
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Speaker 1: because he's a star, not because he shot somebody inadvertently.
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Speaker 1: But he's been this way for a long, long time.
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Speaker 1: She's really throwing the discussion off. She is changing the
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Speaker 1: public discourse away from the facts. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: You know. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor joining me. Wendy, I
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Speaker 1: remember when I would go on trial, well almost the
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Speaker 1: whole teen years I was a prosecutor in inner City Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: I would almost always wear navy and black, no jewelry,
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Speaker 1: no fingernail polish, nothing like that. And I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 1: because so after the first state eighteen months prosecuting, once
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Speaker 1: I first started trying cases, my case is very quickly
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Speaker 1: shifted to homicide. And there was just something wrong with
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Speaker 1: wearing like a bright red dress or a mini skirt
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Speaker 1: or red nails. I don't know that, just something struck
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Speaker 1: me as wrong when I would be dealing with upsetting
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Speaker 1: material and I would have the victims' families there, and
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Speaker 1: it just felt wrong, you know. Off, go Indy. Now,
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Speaker 1: when I appear on camera, people always saying these are friends, like,
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Speaker 1: why don't you ever smile? I'm like about what I'm
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Speaker 1: typically talking about a case where there is a fatality,
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Speaker 1: a debt, or molestation or an arson, and I can't
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Speaker 1: bring myself to smile about it. That is so wrong
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Speaker 1: under those circumstances. Did you go through that as well
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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, Well, I certainly did, because I began
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Speaker 1: my career as a deputy public defender where I dressed
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Speaker 1: it very differently. There's a sense of what I call
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Speaker 1: counterintuition in my book, where the consistency matters to a jury.
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Speaker 1: If you are too light, to dismissive, to distracting, it
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Speaker 1: really detracts from the message you're seeking descend, especially if
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Speaker 1: you're there representing the interests of crime victims. So I
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Speaker 1: addressed the same way as you. Sometimes I would add
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Speaker 1: the small string of pearls, but it was really sort
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Speaker 1: of an air of making sure that my message is
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Speaker 1: consistent with what I want to impress upon a jury.
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Speaker 1: And that's true too, no matter whether you're a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: you're a celebrity, you're a spokesperson, there has to be
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Speaker 1: that sense of seriousness and consistency that might be lacking
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Speaker 1: if you're distracting. But in Alec Baldwin's defense, he did
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Speaker 1: talk about the faith that he is not really the victim,
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Speaker 1: although that maybe how he's being betrayed right now by
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Speaker 1: his wife, take those to our cut fifty. This is
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Speaker 1: Baldwin speaking on ABC. When I talk about this, my
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Speaker 1: concern is it I don't sound like I'm the victim,
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Speaker 1: because there is a victim. There's a woman who died
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Speaker 1: and my friend got shot. He's my friend and she
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Speaker 1: was a new friend. I met her and we worked
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Speaker 1: together on the some of them mapping out of what
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Speaker 1: we're going to do on the film, which you know,
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Speaker 1: in the movie terms, if you can make a movie
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Speaker 1: with Scorsese, you when the DP don't sit down and
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Speaker 1: they solicit your ideas of how to make the film,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. In the case of Helena,
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Speaker 1: we sat down collaboratively and talked a lot about what
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Speaker 1: we wanted to do in that precious amount of time
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Speaker 1: we had. But I want to make sure that I
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Speaker 1: don't come across the c I'm the victim because we
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Speaker 1: have two victims here. That is true. He's not the victim,
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Speaker 1: but that is the way his wife is portraying them.
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Speaker 1: And what can you tell me, Alexis to Rose Truck
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Speaker 1: about the photos and the posts that are happening now.
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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned the Halloween photo, a recent photo
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Speaker 1: of them getting their Christmas tree. Why is that rubbing
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Speaker 1: so many people the wrong way? People feel that Hularia
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Speaker 1: Baldwin is bragging about her own family and saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: look at how wonderful we are. We have so many kids.
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Speaker 1: And there's not to say you shouldn't love and be
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Speaker 1: proud of your children, of course, but you have to
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Speaker 1: People want her to be respectful that a woman did
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Speaker 1: lose her life. A little boy has lost his mom
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Speaker 1: and he can't see any more pictures. And it's whether
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Speaker 1: or not. Alec is not a victim. He may not
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Speaker 1: be the ultimate reason it happened, but he was holding
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Speaker 1: the gun when it fired and she died. You cannot
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Speaker 1: dispute that, and therefore me true that he recently stated
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Speaker 1: he did not pull the trigger. Alexis, Yes, he'd said
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Speaker 1: that he did not pull the trigger. He was just
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Speaker 1: got to go off of it's in his hand and
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Speaker 1: its fires. How did it go off if he didn't
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Speaker 1: pull a trigger. So his exact quote was I cock
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Speaker 1: the gun. So what he's saying is he pulled back
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Speaker 1: the hammer. This is not a semi automatic weapon. This
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Speaker 1: is an old fashioned weapon. It was a Western film,
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Speaker 1: you know, from the eighteen hundred so it's it's an
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Speaker 1: older pistol and he pulls back the hammer. Now that
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Speaker 1: is not how it would normally the gun would normally fire.
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Speaker 1: But he says, he's holding it. They're doing what's called
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Speaker 1: blocking the director. She is saying, hold it, pull it up,
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Speaker 1: put it down, let's turn a little bit to the right.
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm getting the shot right.
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Speaker 1: And he says, then he cocked it, and he let
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Speaker 1: go of the hammer of the gun for this the
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Speaker 1: piece on the top, and then he says, the gun
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Speaker 1: goes off. I let go of the hammer of the gun.
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Speaker 1: The gun goes off. Those are his exact hear what
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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin has to say. This is just speaking with
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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC. Are kept fifty two. This was
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Speaker 1: a completely incidental shot, an angle that may not have
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Speaker 1: ended up in the film at all, but we kept
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Speaker 1: doing this. So then I said to her, now in
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Speaker 1: this scene, I'm going to cock the gun. And I said,
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Speaker 1: do you want to see that? And she said yes.
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Speaker 1: So I take the gun and I start to cock
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Speaker 1: the gun. I'm not going to pull the trigger, I said,
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Speaker 1: do you see that? She will just cheat it down
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Speaker 1: and tilt it down. A little bit like that, and
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Speaker 1: I cocked the gun. Can you see that? Can you
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Speaker 1: see that? Can you see that? And she says, and
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Speaker 1: I let go of the hammer of the gun, the
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Speaker 1: gun goes on. At the moment, that was the moment
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Speaker 1: the gun went off. Yet that was the moment of
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Speaker 1: going on. It wasn't in the script for the trigger
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Speaker 1: to be pulled. Well, the trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger. So you never pulled the trigger. No, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: I would never point a gun a pull a trigger
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Speaker 1: at the never. That was the training that I had.
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Speaker 1: You don't point a gun and pull trigger on day
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Speaker 1: one of my instruction and this business people said to me,
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Speaker 1: never take a gun and go click click click click click,
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Speaker 1: because even though it's incremental, you damage the firing pin
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Speaker 1: on the gun if you do that. Don't do that.
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Speaker 1: Interesting take listen to our cut fifty three more ball
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Speaker 1: and speaking. So yeah, this cold forty five. You just
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Speaker 1: pulled the hammer as far back as I go without
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Speaker 1: cocking the actual and you're holding onto the hammer. I'm
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Speaker 1: holding out. I'm just showing I how about that? Does
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Speaker 1: that work? You see that? Do you see that? You said?
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Speaker 1: She goes Yeah, that's good. I let go of the hammer. Bang,
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Speaker 1: the gun goes on. Everyone is horrified, they're shocked. It's loud.
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Speaker 1: They don't have their ear plugs, and no one was
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Speaker 1: the gun was supposed to be empty. I was told
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Speaker 1: I was handed an empty gun, or if there were
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Speaker 1: cosmetic grounds, nothing with a charge at all, or flash
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Speaker 1: round nothing. She goes down, I thought to myself, because
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Speaker 1: she faint. You're hearing Ali Baldwin giving his verse of
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Speaker 1: what happened to day Helena Hutchins is shot dead on
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Speaker 1: the set by the gun he's holding in his hand,
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Speaker 1: obviously pointed at her. Paul's like is with us former
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Speaker 1: police commander authors stop him from killing them on Amazon? Paul,
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Speaker 1: what is he saying that he pulled back the hammer
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Speaker 1: and let go explain why that would cause the gun
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Speaker 1: to fire. It's it's irrelevant whether or not he pulled
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Speaker 1: the trigger. In what he's explaining, he's pulling back the
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Speaker 1: hammer of the gun and he doesn't bring it all
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Speaker 1: the way back to where it locks. Once that hammer's
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Speaker 1: pulled far enough back, it locks in place. And then
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Speaker 1: at that point you would need a trigger to be
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Speaker 1: pulled to allow it to fall and strike the firing pin,
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Speaker 1: and then strike the primer to the bullet that's in
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Speaker 1: the chamber. And what he's describing is why I'm pulling
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Speaker 1: back the hammer and you know, getting different angles, and
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Speaker 1: he pulls it back far enough and then let the
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Speaker 1: go of it. Well, that energy that that hammer has
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Speaker 1: in falling forward, Um, it's going to be very close
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Speaker 1: to whether he fired it from a cock position or
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Speaker 1: fired it from you know, a half cocked position where
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Speaker 1: when he lets go of his thumb, the hammer drops
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Speaker 1: and then and the gun still functions, just as if
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Speaker 1: the hammer would have been cocked and the trigger would
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Speaker 1: have been pulled. So really, at this point, um, that's
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Speaker 1: irrelevant because shot the gun via the hammer bypassing a trigger. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so if you're if you're screwing around with the hammer,
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Speaker 1: you're pulling it back and you're and the weapon is
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Speaker 1: aimed in a direction that is unsafe, and then you
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Speaker 1: let go of the hammer and the hammer falls forward
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Speaker 1: and causes the weapon to discharge. That's the same as
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Speaker 1: cocking it and pulling the trigger. Because that style of gun,
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Speaker 1: that's the way it operates. It's a single action gun.
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Speaker 1: So he's manipulated the gun. The guns being aimed, the
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Speaker 1: gun fires, you have somebody dead, you have another person injured.
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Speaker 1: Doctor micheldon free joining us way in. Well, it could
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Speaker 1: have happened exactly as you said, because when the hammer
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Speaker 1: is pulled back, when you release the hammer, the gun
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Speaker 1: goes off and it's fired. But the real question is
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Speaker 1: why was there a real bullet in the gun in
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Speaker 1: the first place, and who put it there? Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, I think a lot of people don't
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Speaker 1: understand the workings the mechanisms of a pistol like this.
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Speaker 1: Granted it was an old gun, an antique gun, but
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Speaker 1: it was not a prop prop pistols do not shoot.
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Speaker 1: That's the first thing we have to understand. This was
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Speaker 1: not a prop gun. Why they didn't use props, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, Alexas Terresta. Isn't that standard sp in movies
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Speaker 1: that you use a prop not an actual gun. No,
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Speaker 1: it's not, unfortunately that they are. They are real guns.
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Speaker 1: They are not supposed to be loaded, and but they
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Speaker 1: are not prop guns. Even considering that they were, there
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Speaker 1: have been tragedies over the years of people dying on
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Speaker 1: set accidentally getting shot. But they are real guns. You
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Speaker 1: think that they could make it. Hollywood can make anything,
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Speaker 1: but no people use real guns. Of course. Yeah, jump
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Speaker 1: in you know, Nanty, I think you bringing up a
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Speaker 1: good point, and that's something I've been seeing for a while.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is a deadly weapon. This is a
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Speaker 1: this is a gun. This is a firearm that was
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Speaker 1: meant to fire bullets, and it's being utilized as a prop.
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Speaker 1: It's not a prop gun, but it's a deadly weapon
21:50
Speaker 1: being utilized as a prop. For instance, if you had
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Speaker 1: a prop knife, a prop knife wouldn't be razor sharp.
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Speaker 1: It would have a dull edge that would make it
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Speaker 1: a prop. It's not intended to be used as a knife.
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Speaker 1: Real big difference between those two things. Guys, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut number six, our friends at Need's Nation.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the people responsible for handling a gun.
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Speaker 1: There are no ubiquitous rules across all film sets, but
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Speaker 1: generally there are some guidelines that they follow. Adhering to
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Speaker 1: a budget. Budget usually plays a big role on many sets.
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Speaker 1: There are no fewer than three people responsible for monitoring
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Speaker 1: a weapon. The prop master, who's in charge of all props,
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Speaker 1: is often supported by a safety officer and a stunt
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Speaker 1: coordinator and depending on the state, you may also need
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Speaker 1: to bring in an armorer whose only job is handling weapons.
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Speaker 1: An armorer is required by New Mexico state law. That
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Speaker 1: person directly communicates with the director of photography to ensure
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Speaker 1: gun safety and should be constantly monitoring that weapon. Very
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Speaker 1: rarely is live ammunition used on a movie set anymore nowadays.
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Speaker 1: The revisual effects graphics afterwards are the most common practice,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes they still do use blanks. You've heard a
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Speaker 1: lot about it. Blanks are just like normal bullets, except
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Speaker 1: they don't have a bullet. Instead, they're loaded with plastic
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Speaker 1: or felt or paper something to give a spark to
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Speaker 1: simulate that firing effect. But they can still be very deadly,
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Speaker 1: especially when fired at close range, even if they're not
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Speaker 1: improperly loaded. So would he have known, let me throw
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Speaker 1: this to you, Paul Zyke. What he have known? That
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Speaker 1: the hammer, which is they don't know how to explain
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Speaker 1: it any other way, the mechanism on the top of
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Speaker 1: the gun, that letting go of it would have the
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Speaker 1: same effect as pulling the trigger. He definitely should have
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Speaker 1: known that, and any any manipulation of that firearm, of
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Speaker 1: that type of a single action gun that the hammer
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Speaker 1: is the whole story. If you leave that hammer forward,
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Speaker 1: the gun cannot fire. You start pulling the pulling the
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Speaker 1: hammer back, you know, manipulating the hammer, you're taking a
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Speaker 1: real risk of that slip out of your thumbs grip
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Speaker 1: and going forward and causing an accidental discharge. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: even if he didn't know, he should have known. That's
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Speaker 1: basic firearm knowledge involving that firearm. It should have been about.
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Speaker 1: It should have been germane to the briefing that he
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Speaker 1: was given by the armor or whoever the safety officer
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Speaker 1: is on any given set. I mean, I don't understanding
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Speaker 1: everybody saying I didn't do it. I didn't do it,
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Speaker 1: I didn't touch it, I didn't put the bullet in.
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Speaker 1: Somebody put a bullet and that gun alexis. The armor
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Speaker 1: says no. Assistant director says no, Baldwin says no. Everybody
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Speaker 1: says they didn't do it. So who did it alexis?
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Speaker 1: That is left the police are trying to find out.
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Speaker 1: And that is why there has been a subpoena issue
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Speaker 1: because David Halls, the assistant director, is not speaking with
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Speaker 1: the investigators, which is his right, but they want to
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Speaker 1: speak to him to find out exactly what happened, because
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Speaker 1: everybody there have been so many statements. Law enforcement has
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Speaker 1: said that only David Hall's Alec Baldwin. The armor is
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Speaker 1: a young woman named Hannah Gautier's read this was only
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Speaker 1: her second movie that where she had been in charge
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Speaker 1: of the weapons, and then then there was a prop master,
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Speaker 1: a woman. So these people are the only ones that
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Speaker 1: handled this gun. Everybody is saying there wasn't live ammunition,
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Speaker 1: but apparently there was. Police seized over five hundred rounds ammunitions.
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Speaker 1: They found some of it was live in there. So
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Speaker 1: what they're doing is trying to trace it back and
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Speaker 1: figure out where each and every bullet on that set
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Speaker 1: came from and figure out how the live one went
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Speaker 1: from in the box with other Was it just all
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Speaker 1: together in you know, like a messy box, or was
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Speaker 1: it systematically put in there? There have even the incident
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Speaker 1: true that there were reports the crew was taking target practice.
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Speaker 1: Was that yeah, and other guns on their lunch breaks.
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Speaker 1: That just sounds so out of procedure to have live
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Speaker 1: AMMO and target for what. Why would you have target prava?
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Speaker 1: This is a movie. You're not out in the wild
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Speaker 1: wild West. Why are they doing that, well, they kind
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Speaker 1: of we're out in the wild wild West. It was
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Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere. It was the way
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Speaker 1: people shoot at each other alexus and not at each
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Speaker 1: other target practice legos. Okay, let me just try to
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Speaker 1: rephrase my question, and you know what that means. This
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Speaker 1: is not the wild West where people shot at each
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Speaker 1: other in gun battles. Also, wild wild West is phraseology.
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Speaker 1: Alexis to refer to a let us say, cavalier attitude
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Speaker 1: where people are not taking into accounts safety precautions. For instance,
26:43
Speaker 1: if I come home from work and see the children
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Speaker 1: jumping from sofa to chair, I might say, what is
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Speaker 1: this the wild wild West? Because everybody's acting crazy. My
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Speaker 1: point is this is not the wild wild West. Although
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Speaker 1: you have so accurately pointed out that the film was
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Speaker 1: being shot in the West. My point is, why are
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Speaker 1: they taking target practice at lunch? I think a very
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Speaker 1: clear answer for that is, you know, all things being equal,
27:17
Speaker 1: it's the simplest explination, and that is you have too
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Speaker 1: many people in charge, with too much power on the set,
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Speaker 1: with not enough accountability. You know, you've got a primary
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Speaker 1: actor who's a superstar, who's also the producer, of the film.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who's going to step in and tell him, hey, look,
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Speaker 1: this is unsafe, don't do that, or or risk you know,
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Speaker 1: of setting him. That's something that's uh, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: probably not going to happen, and you know, like for instance,
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Speaker 1: my experience on Terminator Salvation, we were out in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a little area called Algadonis, which is just
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Speaker 1: south of Santa Fe, New Mexico, in a giant field
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Speaker 1: with no houses in sight, in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 1: being issued fully automatic guns with blanks in them, and
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Speaker 1: we would go out to the battle scenes and fire
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Speaker 1: them off in a fully automatic capacity, hundreds of rounds,
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Speaker 1: and then come back and hand those weapons straight to
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Speaker 1: the armors good chain of custody and not touch anything
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Speaker 1: again until the next battle scene. So regardless of if
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Speaker 1: it was in the wild West or it was out
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Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, it's a workplace just like
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Speaker 1: any other workplace, and it's there's obligations to keep it safe,
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Speaker 1: and that didn't happen. Take us to our cut fifty five.
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Speaker 1: This is Baldwin himself speaking to our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 1: People said to me, I mean I got countless people
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Speaker 1: online saying you idiot. You never pointed gun to someone, well,
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Speaker 1: unless you're told it's empty, and it's the director of
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Speaker 1: photography who's instructing you on the angle for a shop
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Speaker 1: we're going to do. And she and I had this
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Speaker 1: thing in common where we both thought it was empty
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Speaker 1: and and that's not her responsibility, that's not my responsibility,
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Speaker 1: or whose responsibility is remains to be seen. But there
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Speaker 1: are some who say, you're never supposed to point a
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Speaker 1: gun at anyone on a set, no matter what, unless
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Speaker 1: the person as a cinematographer who's directed me and where
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Speaker 1: to point the gun for her camera angle. That's exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about the fatality on the set of Rust. Helena Hutchins,
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Speaker 1: a young mom, very talented director of photography, is dead.
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Speaker 1: We now are hearing about multiple lawsuits being filed Alexa's TERRESTI.
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Speaker 1: Where does a criminal investigation stand and what about civil
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Speaker 1: lawsuits being filed? The criminal investigation is still ongoing as
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Speaker 1: this The assistant director, David Halls has been subpoened. He
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Speaker 1: has been refusing to speak with investigators. He said he
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to speak until after the criminal investigation is completed.
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Speaker 1: They need to speak with him to complete the criminal investigation.
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Speaker 1: And then there have been multiple lawsuits that have been
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Speaker 1: fired by casting in crew members from the set. I
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Speaker 1: may have been filed against Baldwin, against the producers, against
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Speaker 1: Haul and against Hannah kutierat Reid, who was the armor
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Speaker 1: too Alexa's terrestric Again. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: there was they call it a scandal. As far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned, I don't care one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: Where Baldwin's wife was in quite a pickle after claiming
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Speaker 1: she was from Spain and went on air in a
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Speaker 1: cooking segment somewhere and pretended she didn't know the name
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Speaker 1: for what cucumber? How do you say I believe her awards.
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Speaker 1: I think she was raised in New England actually, and
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they have cucumbers. But that aside, that
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Speaker 1: would make me very leery of what I said on
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Speaker 1: social media. And this is really coming back to haunt her.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut forty nine. This is
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Speaker 1: Baldwin's wife, Hilaria Baldwin. Now, my husband is suffering from
31:18
Speaker 1: PTSC right now, is something that not just from what
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Speaker 1: happened recently, but he's been suffering from this for a
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Speaker 1: very very very long time, and these people know this
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Speaker 1: and they want to poke at him and they want
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Speaker 1: to upset him, and then they want to create news
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Speaker 1: about this. So if you create a news story, then
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Speaker 1: the next day there's gonna be tons of pop brest
31:42
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be more stories that come up with that,
31:43
Speaker 1: and there's more cliques and more shares and money, which
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Speaker 1: is ultimately what this is all about. I mean, Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethan Marshall, you're the psychoalence to the stars. Isn't that
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Speaker 1: part of celebrity? People are going to pick apart everything
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Speaker 1: you say. They're going to take potshots to either, going
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Speaker 1: to say horrible things online that you don't want to
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Speaker 1: read and you don't want your children to raise, Pete say.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that part of it? Kitten Caboodle Nancy. Part of
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Speaker 1: being a celebrity is exactly what she's talking about. People
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Speaker 1: are interested in you. If they're not interested in you,
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Speaker 1: you would not be a celebrity. You know, it sounds
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Speaker 1: to me like Hilaria and Alec Baldwin are Hlaria. Hilaria,
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry Hilaria and Alec Baldwin have a narrative
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Speaker 1: going between the two of them that it is not
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Speaker 1: really his fault. So I was listening to the ABC interview,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I have a theory as a psychoanalyst,
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Speaker 1: when somebody does something bad, they don't really tell the
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Speaker 1: truth in the aftermass. It's not that he's lying per
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Speaker 1: se or he's trying to speak in mistruth purposefully, but
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Speaker 1: he's subtly minimizing the gravity of what happened, because basically
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Speaker 1: what he's saying is that Helena was looking in a monitor,
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Speaker 1: was blocking the scene. He's cocking the hammer the top
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Speaker 1: part of the gun, the top mechanism, as you said,
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Speaker 1: and he was doing it in her direction. He didn't
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Speaker 1: really pull the trigger, and there's a slight quality of
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Speaker 1: undoing the gravity as he's speaking to George Stephanovilis. I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's consciously lying. I think he's minimizing and undoing.
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Speaker 1: I think the thought that he shot and killed somebody
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Speaker 1: is undigestible, and so he wouldn't be able to tell
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Speaker 1: the truth in the aftermath. Hilaria, on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: is completely off the reservation. She's basically saying that you
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Speaker 1: know he has PTSD because he's a celebrity, not because
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Speaker 1: he shot somebody. Nancy, do you know as a top
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Speaker 1: example in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
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Speaker 1: for what causes PTSD, it's witnessing the death of a
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Speaker 1: good friend or loved one. That is at the very top,
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Speaker 1: and that is exactly what happened to him, and that's
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Speaker 1: why he has post traumatic stress, not because he's a
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Speaker 1: media star. But she's saying he has had it for
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Speaker 1: a quote long time that would go at all. Hilaria
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Speaker 1: Baldwin claims husband Alec Baldwin has been suffering from PTSD
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Speaker 1: for a quote long time, even before the Rust shooting,
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Speaker 1: and she goes on to complain about living in the
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Speaker 1: quote famous world. Take a listen to our cut forty eight.
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Speaker 1: One thing I've learned from entering this famous world is
34:35
Speaker 1: that when you get negative attention, whether it's from trolls
34:38
Speaker 1: or tabloid media, and people say to you, I'll just
34:42
Speaker 1: ignore it. That's what they want. If you give them attention,
34:44
Speaker 1: this is literally what they want. The issue is if
34:46
Speaker 1: you don't say anything, you're giving them a space for
34:50
Speaker 1: them to speak for you, and your silence sometimes speaks
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Speaker 1: enough for them to be able to come endear your story.
35:02
Speaker 1: But I mean it's tricky because you don't want to
35:04
Speaker 1: be constantly just responding to every single, crazy, crazy thing
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Speaker 1: that they say. One thing I want you guys to
35:11
Speaker 1: start to maybe hear from me is that there's a
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Speaker 1: difference between covering a news story and creating a news story.
35:20
Speaker 1: We oftentimes have people creating news stories about us. I
35:26
Speaker 1: understand that she believes she's helping, but I've learned the
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Speaker 1: hard way and court that there's a reason we have
35:38
Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment. There is a reason it's there to
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Speaker 1: protect you from egregious behavior by the states, such as
35:46
Speaker 1: prosecutors such as Cobs, detectives, investigators. The Constitution can't protect
35:52
Speaker 1: you from yourself. I would suggest let me spare all legalies.
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Speaker 1: If you really want want to help your husband, lady,
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Speaker 1: shut your pie hole. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.