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- Lucas: So Luna, I want to talk about a closing technique that sounds almost too simple to work. It's the idea of asking the buyer for something small — a pen, a pencil, a piece of paper — right when you're about to close. Luna: A pencil? Like, literally asking them for a writing utensil? Lucas: Literally. I came across a case from a rep who sold enterprise SaaS — think mid-six-figure annual contracts. He's in a final meeting with the procurement director at a manufacturing firm. The deal's been dragging for months. They've agreed on price, terms, everything. But the director keeps saying, 'I need to think about it.' So the rep does something strange. Luna: He asks for a pencil. Lucas: Exactly. He says, 'Do you have a pen or pencil I could borrow for a second? I want to sketch out the implementation timeline on this napkin.' The director hands him a pen from his pocket. The rep draws a quick four-week timeline, hands the pen back, and says, 'If we start next Monday, we'd be live by the end of the month. Should I put you down for that start date?' The director says yes. Deal closed. Luna: Okay, so the pencil wasn't magical. It was a psychological foot-in-the-door. Lucas: That's exactly it. The principle is called commitment and consistency. It's from Robert Cialdini's research. When someone agrees to a small request — like handing over a pen — they subconsciously see themselves as cooperative. Then saying no to a larger request right after creates cognitive dissonance. So they're more likely to say yes to keep consistent. Luna: But isn't that manipulative? If the buyer realises what you did, you lose trust forever. Lucas: It can be, if you're doing it cynically. But the best reps use it in a way that's genuinely collaborative. They're not tricking anyone — they're building momentum. The small ask has to be natural and relevant to the deal. Like asking for a pen to sketch a timeline, or asking the buyer to write down the three criteria that would make this a no-brainer. It's not about the pen; it's about getting the buyer to physically commit to an action. Luna: I've seen something similar in negotiation research. There's a study where people who were asked to hold a clipboard for a survey were then far more likely to agree to a follow-up donation request. The physical act of compliance primed them. Lucas: Exactly. The physicality matters. When you ask someone to hand you something, or write something down, they're engaging motor neurons. It's a different level of commitment than just nodding. That's why the pencil trick works better than saying, 'Are you agreeable to moving forward?' It's concrete. Luna: So when does this backfire? I imagine if the ask feels forced or unrelated, the buyer might get suspicious. Lucas: You're right. The classic mistake is asking for something trivial that has nothing to do with the deal. Like, 'Can I borrow your phone charger?' That would just feel weird. The small ask has to be a genuine step in the process. The rep in our case needed to sketch the timeline anyway. The pen was just a prop. The real trick was asking for the pen to initiate a collaborative act. Luna: What about buyers who are trained in negotiation? Procurement professionals see every trick in the book. Would they fall for this? Lucas: That's the fascinating part. The technique actually works better on experienced negotiators, because they're used to being in control. When you ask them for something small — like a pen — it triggers their cooperative instinct. They want to appear helpful. And once they've helped, it's harder for them to reject you. There's a study by Freedman and Fraser from the 1960s — the original foot-in-the-door experiment — where homeowners who agreed to put a small sign in their window were later far more likely to agree to a huge billboard on their lawn. The same principle applies in B2B. Luna: So the key is that the first request has to be something they'd almost certainly say yes to. Lucas: Exactly. And it has to be congruent with the eventual ask. You're not trying to trick them into buying; you're trying to get them into a yes-state. Another example: a rep selling marketing software to a CMO. The CMO kept saying, 'I need to run this by my team.' The rep said, 'Totally fair. Could you write down three things your team would need to see for this to be a go?' The CMO grabbed a sticky note and wrote them down. Then the rep said, 'Great, let's address those now.' That small act of writing made the CMO a participant in solving the problem, not just an evaluator. Luna: That's more subtle than the pencil. The ask wasn't for a physical object; it was for a cognitive action — listing criteria. But it still worked as a commitment device. Lucas: Right. And the principle holds across cultures. In Japan, for example, asking for a business card is a small ask that carries weight. A rep might say, 'May I have your card? I want to make sure I have your direct line for the implementation team.' That's a small, polite request. Once the buyer hands over the card, they've symbolically agreed to be contacted. The rep can then say, 'Great, so shall I put you down for the kickoff call next Tuesday?' The small ask opens the door. Luna: What about the risk that the buyer feels pressured? I've had salespeople try to close me with that 'assumptive close' — where they just start writing up the order without asking. That feels pushy. Lucas: That's why the pencil trick is different. It's not assumptive; it's collaborative. You're not assuming the close; you're asking for a small piece of help to move the process forward. The buyer retains agency. The rep isn't saying, 'Let me write up your order.' They're saying, 'Help me understand your timeline.' The psychological mechanism is subtle. The buyer feels like they're in control, but they've already taken a step toward yes. Luna: So how would a rep practice this? It seems like it requires good timing and awareness. Lucas: I think the best way is to script out two or three natural small asks that fit your typical sales process. For example, if you're selling a service with an onboarding phase, you might say, 'Can I borrow your phone to pull up your current provider's contract? I want to show you the difference in our SLA.' That's a bigger ask, but it's still a loan. Or if you're selling software, ask the buyer to log into their dashboard and show you how they currently track metrics. That small act of giving you access is a commitment. Luna: It also works in reverse, right? When the buyer is the one making a small ask of you? Lucas: That's a great point. If a buyer asks you for something small — like sending a follow-up email with a specific detail — they've already engaged. You can leverage that by immediately fulfilling the request and then asking for the close. 'I just sent that over. While I have you, can we lock in the start date?' The reciprocity principle kicks in. They asked; you delivered. Now it's their turn. Luna: Let's talk about the downsides. When does this technique fail? Lucas: It fails when the buyer is already in a no-state. If they've explicitly said no, asking for a pen won't help. Also, if the small ask feels gimmicky. If you ask for a pen with a wink, the buyer will see through it. The ask has to be genuine and functional. Another failure mode: if you ask for something that actually inconveniences the buyer, like asking them to stand up and get a file from across the room. That can create resentment, not cooperation. Luna: So it's about low friction, high relevance. Lucas: Exactly. And timing matters. The best time is when the deal is stalled, not when it's already progressing. If the buyer is actively enthusiastic, you don't need a pencil trick. You just ask for the order. But when you're stuck in 'I need to think about it', that's when a small collaborative ask can break the logjam. Luna: I read a study recently that said the foot-in-the-door technique has a 20 to 30 percent lift in compliance compared to a direct ask. That's significant. Lucas: It is. And the effect is amplified when the request is prosocial — when it's framed as helping you, the rep, do your job better. People like to feel helpful. So saying, 'Could you help me understand your timeline so I can plan my team's capacity?' is more effective than 'Could you tell me your timeline?' The word 'help' triggers a cooperative mindset. Luna: Okay, so we've got the theory. Give me a concrete script for a rep who's about to close a deal and wants to use this. Lucas: Sure. Let's say you're selling a CRM platform. The buyer says, 'I think we're ready, but I want to sleep on it.' You say, 'I totally understand. To help me prepare the implementation schedule, could you write down the top three departments that would use this first? Just on this sticky note.' They write it down. Then you say, 'Great. Based on that, we can start with Salesforce integration in week one. If we aim for a go-live on the first of next month, does that work?' The act of writing the departments made them think about implementation, not whether to buy. Suddenly they're talking about timing, not whether. Luna: That's smooth. And if they refuse to write the departments? Then you know they're not serious. Lucas: Exactly. That's another benefit: it's a qualification tool. If a buyer won't even do a small collaborative step, they're probably not going to buy. So you save time. You can walk away or escalate. Luna: I like that. It's not just a closing technique; it's a diagnostic. Lucas: Right. And the best reps use it naturally. They don't think, 'I'm going to use the pencil trick.' They just have a habit of asking for small, concrete actions that build momentum. The pencil is just a prop. The real skill is knowing what small ask will move the deal forward. Luna: So if a listener wants to try this tomorrow, what's the one thing they should do? Lucas: Identify the exact moment in your sales process where the deal typically stalls. Then prepare a low-friction, collaborative ask that fits that moment. For example, if it's after the demo, ask the buyer to write down the three features they liked most. Then use that list to build a business case together. The small ask turns a passive evaluation into an active collaboration. Luna: That's practical. And it doesn't require any fancy sales training — just a notebook and a pen. Lucas: Literally. And you know, that's something we try to do with this show — give you one concrete thing you can use. We're able to keep making these episodes because of listeners who chip in at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's not a big ask — just a small one, like a pencil. But it adds up. Luna: Yeah, and we really appreciate it. It keeps the show ad-free and focused on what matters: real tactics you can use. Lucas: So if these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, that's the link. No pressure. Now back to the pencil trick — or rather, the principle behind it. I think the ultimate takeaway is that closing isn't about a dramatic ask. It's about a series of small yeses that lead to the big one. Luna: And the best part is, it's a technique you can practice in any conversation, not just sales. Lucas: Exactly. Whether you're negotiating a raise or convincing your team to adopt a new process, look for the small ask that gets someone to lean in. Once they've leaned, they're much more likely to jump. Luna: Alright, I'm going to try this on my next coffee order. 'Can I borrow your pen to write down my order?' Then I'll ask for a free refill. Lucas: Let me know how that goes. But seriously — next time you're in a stalled deal, don't push harder. Just ask for a pencil.