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Who Killed Marilyn Monroe? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 2: my front door because I've forgotten your Christmas gift every
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get it together someday.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking about Marilyn Monroe today.
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  Speaker 2: I am so psyched.
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  Speaker 1: This is exciting. This is a conspiracy. I haven't looked
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  Speaker 1: into much because I just assume it was probably the Kennedy's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my usual conclusion. Well, my dad a Cia
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy's are Cia or honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Why not then Kennedy related exactly. Yeah, It's usually like
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  Speaker 1: with Marilyn Monroe, someone kissed, so many people wanted to
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  Speaker 1: kill her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And when it comes to the Cia and the Kennedy's.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that commercial with the hardshell tacos and the
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  Speaker 2: soft cell tacos. It's like, why not.
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  Speaker 1: Bothelligence community starts cheering in the background, holds that guy
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  Speaker 1: on their shoulders. I know the commercial.
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  Speaker 2: We're in the same direction. Uh No, I my dad
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  Speaker 2: and I grew up obsessed with the Kennedy's theories. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so this this was a fun one for me because literally,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's one theory, maybe two at the most,
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  Speaker 2: that aren't Kennedy's related, having to do with Monroe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going through I think seven different theories related
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  Speaker 1: to the death of Marilyn Monroe. They're all from one article.
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  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of different articles and they all cover
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. So we're just going to go through
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  Speaker 1: seven of them. And we've done this on the show before,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of way which one sound the least and
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  Speaker 1: most plausible. Yeah, and I'll cite the source for this
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  Speaker 1: article in a minute, because there's just one sentence in
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  Speaker 1: it that I want to quote verbatim because it's one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite sentences ever written about a dead celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: So the official explanation of Marilyn Monroe's death. She was
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  Speaker 1: found dead August fifth, nineteen sixty two, at her home
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  Speaker 1: at twelve three h five fifth Helena Drive in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's still standing.
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  Speaker 2: I want to check it out, because I that's one
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  Speaker 2: of the locations that I haven't visited. That's a dead
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  Speaker 2: celebrity location.
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  Speaker 1: And if it's not standing, why isn't Trent Reznor recording
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  Speaker 1: an album there or something obnoxious like that.
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  Speaker 2: At least taking a piece of memory and being like,
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  Speaker 2: I understand the implications by the way, my door is
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  Speaker 2: still from it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hit a thumb drive with my new album
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  Speaker 1: at Marilyn and Roe's house. Ah, why'd you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Just put it at a Starbucks? Uh. And the cause
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  Speaker 1: of her death was ruled it was a barbiturate overdose
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  Speaker 1: and it was ruled a probable suicide, which that parts.
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  Speaker 2: That's not enough for me. Yeah, that's never enough for me.
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  Speaker 1: Probable means that that kind of implies they just walked
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  Speaker 1: in and went probably, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a long day. It's probably she did it.
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  Speaker 1: Got all the drugs in her system and stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: she's a crazy broad. I mean, this was she had
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  Speaker 1: she had to be basically rescued from a mental institution
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  Speaker 1: by Joe DiMaggio at one point, me too by Joe.
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  Speaker 2: DiMaggio, specifically Joe Demaggio.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing, he got me out, fucking eighty year old Joe
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  Speaker 1: Demaccio beat someone to death care slowly.
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  Speaker 2: Carrying me out like it's a master and commander kind
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  Speaker 2: of deal.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that so she was having like mental health
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  Speaker 1: issues allegedly at the time, and health issues, and there
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  Speaker 1: was no note, which people always point to as a
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  Speaker 1: weird thing. It's not that weird, but not a weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: Only about forty percent of suicide, Yeah, cases involve someone
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  Speaker 1: who left a note very very willing.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have notes or sometimes the notes just aren't found.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's not an every time case, and people like
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  Speaker 2: to assume someone always.
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  Speaker 1: Does or they're not necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of the times it's not necessary.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: It's not an explanation kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of thing, no, what they're going or going on.
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  Speaker 2: It's an impulse. Yeah, So it's not as black and
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  Speaker 2: white as people seem to assume when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: leaving like a pretty bow as you decide to schedule
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  Speaker 2: mortal coil, right.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the official explanation, she just
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  Speaker 1: took too many pills and died. And there are tons
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  Speaker 1: of theories around her death. Like you said, most relate
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  Speaker 1: to the Kennedys. She was famously This is a quote
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  Speaker 1: from the article that we're pulling this list of theories from,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to read it verbatim. She was famously
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  Speaker 1: rumored to be sleeping with President John F. Kennedy while alive.
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  Speaker 1: And I love that they put while alive at the
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  Speaker 1: end of that because if they don't add that, this
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  Speaker 1: is a whole new scandal, like she died and then
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  Speaker 1: she was fucking Kennedy. Weird.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody could seemed like she had it
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  Speaker 2: in her I laughed so hard when I read that
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  Speaker 2: entire section. I had to keep going over it now.
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  Speaker 2: It was just kind of like, man, who knew there
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  Speaker 2: might be somebody out there? Or is just like he
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  Speaker 2: fucked the ghost of Maryland.
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  Speaker 1: Coming next week on conspiracy show, A JFK fucked the
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  Speaker 1: Ghost of Maryland. So uh, most of these theories. This
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  Speaker 1: is from an article on the rap dot com called
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  Speaker 1: seven conspiracy theories about Marilyn Monroe's death from Murderous Kennedys
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  Speaker 1: to UFOs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited for the latter. Also shout out
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  Speaker 2: to the rap for keeping the same headline article title
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  Speaker 2: all throughout the entire life of the articles.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, that's commendable for sure. So she was introduced by
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  Speaker 1: the to the Kennedys by Frank Sinatra, which I did
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  Speaker 1: not know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know they is.
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  Speaker 1: But that's all the more ominous because he was not
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  Speaker 1: a good dude. No, he had some unsavory connections for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a beautiful blue eyed monster.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah kind of Yeah. And it's claimed that Joe DiMaggio
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  Speaker 1: never forgave Sinatra for introducing Marilyn Monroe to the Kennedys.
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  Speaker 1: And in a twenty seventeen book called Dinner with Demaggio,
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  Speaker 1: Memories of an American Hero, it's claimed that Demaggio knew
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  Speaker 1: who killed her.
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  Speaker 2: And this is tell us, where'd you go? Joe DiMaggio.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he's about to tell us. This is one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite quotes I've ever read. This is allegedly a
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  Speaker 1: quote from Joe DiMaggio. The whole lot of Kennedy's were
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  Speaker 1: lady killers, and they always got away with it. They'll
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  Speaker 1: be getting away with it one hundred years from now.
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  Speaker 1: I always knew who killed her, but I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to start a revolution in this country. I'll go to
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  Speaker 1: the grave regretting and blaming myself for what happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: So right there, Kennedy's did.
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  Speaker 2: It right there immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm not trusting Joe DiMaggio. Who the fuck
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  Speaker 1: do I trust exactly?
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  Speaker 2: And also, yeah, uh, their entire bloodline is stained with
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  Speaker 2: young lady blood, whether it's within their own ranks, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: fucking Rosemary. Rosemary Kennedy was done real dirty, wanted to
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  Speaker 2: act out and quoting I believe it was she close
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  Speaker 2: the curtains when it was Sonny outside as one of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons to lobottomize her.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane, I know.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got it from their own ranks. A chap
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  Speaker 2: there's a chap Equittic.
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  Speaker 1: Which is my favorite side detail about chap Equittic ted
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy at one point. Who was the guy who was
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  Speaker 1: there when? What was her name? I forget the name
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  Speaker 1: of the woman who drowned at chap Equittic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember her name because there's.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to say, Martha. I think it's something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, because Moxley was the one I believe that was beaten.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that was beaten by a Kennedy. Yes, yeah, she was.
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  Speaker 2: The fifteen year old that Ethel Kennedy's nephew's murder. Okay, yes,
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  Speaker 2: the Scagle family, Michael Skakell and whatever his other two
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  Speaker 2: brothers and name. They were Ethel's comic not involved in
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  Speaker 2: the murder, not involved in order. These were three grun men.
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  Speaker 1: See the glasses that guy wears. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: write it all immediately.
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  Speaker 2: He had to have been like six or y or
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  Speaker 2: not even born.
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  Speaker 1: I bet he was a hulking six year old.
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  Speaker 2: Weren't we all? Maybe I was a terrifying six year old.
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  Speaker 2: I mostly just ran into the street a lot. My
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  Speaker 2: mom thought I had a death wish, but there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of death.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing about the reason I brought up
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy My favorite side note about Kennedy. He wrote a
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  Speaker 1: children's book at one point, Ted Kennedy, and it was
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  Speaker 1: about his actual dog, Swallow the water. Before I tell
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  Speaker 1: you this, do you know what his dog's name was? Splash? Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why would the man behind Chappaquator have a dog named Splash?
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that. Ted Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and their cat ice pick.
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  Speaker 1: They had a guinea pig called rigged Airplane. What the fuck? So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Kennedy's. The Kennedy's do have an unfortunate history with women.
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  Speaker 1: To put it mild, there's not great with the girls.
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  Speaker 1: They're not They're lady killers in the bad way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not in the way you tell a six
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  Speaker 2: year old when he like wears a bow tie for
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  Speaker 2: the first time.
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  Speaker 1: Unless that kid is their scaholder who fucking killed Martha Moxley.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. This is your new conspiracy. A six
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  Speaker 2: year old murdered a woman. I don't know if he was, said,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how time works exactly.
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  Speaker 1: None of us could be.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Fun side note, I met Joe DiMaggio at a baseball
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  Speaker 1: card convention in Gailsburg, Illinois in the late eighties. Really
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  Speaker 1: nice dude.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you?
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  Speaker 1: I was, uh, probably nine or ten.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good age for baseball card conventions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. My dad used to take me to them all
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  Speaker 1: the time because I collected baseball cards, and there would
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  Speaker 1: always be these retired players who, which like fucking legends,
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  Speaker 1: would show up to these things to sign autographs, So
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  Speaker 1: I had like Joe Demagio autographs, Willie May's autographs, all
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  Speaker 1: the fucking legends. It was great, and Joe Demagio was
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  Speaker 1: really nice, so I believe him. But let's go through
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  Speaker 1: these theories anyway, even though Joe Demagio cracked it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So the first one she was killed by
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy to cover up their affair. This was first put
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  Speaker 1: forth by a guy named Frank A. Cappel in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty four. This article describes him as a right wing crackpot.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be honest, I don't like this article's
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  Speaker 1: tone in general as it relates to these theories, because
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  Speaker 1: they seem to not want to believe that any of
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  Speaker 1: them could be true, and that it's just that Marilyn
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  Speaker 1: Monroe killed herself and that's boring. Yeah, that's a bullshit,
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  Speaker 1: boring excuse. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And also the reason a lot of people always bring
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  Speaker 2: up the uh, she was killed by Kennedy to cover
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  Speaker 2: up an affair, And the reason that one doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: fly with me is I feel like she wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: only one, so why just her?
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  Speaker 1: Right? His theory claims she got really clingy, she just wanted,
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  Speaker 1: got too attached and was maybe going to go public
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  Speaker 1: with the affair, which, like, who the fuck didn't know
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy was banging Marilyn Monroe? Did you hear how.
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  Speaker 2: Happy birthday, mister president.
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  Speaker 1: You don't do that when a dude's wife is in
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  Speaker 1: the room. Jeez. Yeah. So, I mean it's possible, but
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  Speaker 1: on the list of reasons Kennedy would have had it done,
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  Speaker 1: this one I don't like. Yeah, I feel like Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: was fucking a lot of women.
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  Speaker 2: There had to be so much more. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: there might have even been more at like a higher
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  Speaker 2: media ranking. Probably, Yeah, that would have come out at
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  Speaker 2: some point, and there was just because it's Marylynd. This
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  Speaker 2: is one that's talked about, but she definitely wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: only one. And if he wanted to cover up, he
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  Speaker 2: probably would have gone. If you wanted to cover up
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  Speaker 2: an affair, if you wanted to cover up anything else, murder,
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  Speaker 2: probably an affair. That's that's a money that's a money
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  Speaker 2: game when it comes to the Kennedys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's not like Marilyn Monroe was in
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  Speaker 1: a great spot at that point in her life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she's someone who probably could have just been paid off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if it came to that, I think killing her would
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  Speaker 1: have been a little bit extreme, especially at that point
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  Speaker 1: in history when like the Bay of Pigs had happened
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  Speaker 1: not too long ago, the Cuban Missile crisis. Things weren't
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  Speaker 1: great for Kennedy, so he didn't need a dead model's
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  Speaker 1: blown on his hands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we we agree not likely she was killed
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  Speaker 1: by Kennedy for knowing too much.
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  Speaker 2: Now that this is the one that I feel is
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  Speaker 2: the most plausible.
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  Speaker 1: This was first put forth by journalist Anthony Scadulo in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy five book Who Killed Marilyn Monroe, and
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  Speaker 1: he claims that she kept a detailed diary of incriminating
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  Speaker 1: information she overheard from the Kennedys, and that Bobby Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: had her killed when he found out. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing that we get a person killed.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it is because Marilyn Monroe, absolutely, because
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  Speaker 2: she's always played off as like really stupid or really smart,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's either. But I do think
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  Speaker 2: that this was a girl that knew how to cover
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  Speaker 2: her bases.
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  Speaker 1: Yuh.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that if she lived in a time
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  Speaker 2: of screenshots, she'd have all of them, and this was
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  Speaker 2: her screen cap in the Fuck Out of the Kennedys. Right,
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  Speaker 2: this was someone who knew how to cover her bases,
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  Speaker 2: who knew how to cover her ass because she'd been
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  Speaker 2: working in an industry full of shisty people already. That
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  Speaker 2: absolutely feels like something she would have done as a
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  Speaker 2: backup play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could say it's definitely more plausible than just
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  Speaker 1: she got clingy, Yeah, because it's not like Kennedy was
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  Speaker 1: the only like she was.
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  Speaker 2: She has smarter, more talented a right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she had Joe Dimasio for an American hero.
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  Speaker 2: She married an American playwright, didn't she?
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  Speaker 1: She did Arth and Miller.
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  Speaker 2: She she had she had a stable, right, and Kennedy
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  Speaker 2: definitely wasn't the top of that stable.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So but I could see this, I could see
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  Speaker 1: if she was detailing information about the Kennedy's, and the
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  Speaker 1: Kennedys do have a tradition of murdering women, sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of specifically usually when it comes to hush hush things
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  Speaker 2: and not a fair things. You walked in on something
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't have walked in on things, Right, did.
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  Speaker 1: You hear that? From the scicles Hashtago skykicell kill JFK.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. Every time I start to take a
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  Speaker 2: sip of water, You're like, uncomfortable theory. Go.
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  Speaker 1: I liked it. Every time we talk about something right
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  Speaker 1: before recording and I'm like, all right, we won't talk
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  Speaker 1: about that on the recording. It's immediately will kill Jacketdy,
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  Speaker 1: Like when you drop the sub, the meatball sub in
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and I said, please don't tell anyone that you
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  Speaker 2: still and then immediately the second you hit real, Vanessa
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  Speaker 2: ate food off of the ground and didn't want me
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  Speaker 2: to tell you. Yeah, immediately first line on that podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I it's a meat palsub too. There is a
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  Speaker 2: wet sandwich that picks up everything on the floor. And
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  Speaker 2: you had winter at that time too. She's probably got
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  Speaker 2: she remembers that I probably ate a lot of her hair.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, I could see her being killed by
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  Speaker 1: the Kennedys for something like that. What about Robert Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: staged her death to look like a suicide too elaborate. Yeah,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I mean it does kind of speak to what you
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: were saying earlier. Because this, I should add, this was
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: first introduced by a journalist nam Anthony Summers in the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five book Goddess, The Secret Lives of Marilyn Monroe,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and what he claims is that she threatened to go
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: public with her affair with Bobby Kennedy, and instead of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: killing her, he just kind of tried to shut her
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: up by enabling her drug and alcohol problem, which does
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: seem more like the route they would take.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: This is the usual route that's done with famous young women.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Right, And this theory claims that they took that a
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: little too far and she overdosed and on the way
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to the hospital she died. So they decided to turn
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it around and take her back to her place and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: stage it to look like a suicide.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it could have been that or like an oops party. Yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: it like, I don't maybe maybe it wasn't an affair
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: that he was enabling. Maybe it was just they were
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: both doing a bunch of barbituates together, but one of them.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh deed, it could be. But are barbituates a party drug?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Like do you do those with people just so you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: can like both fall asleep on the couch.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they were coming down off of something.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be they.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Were coming down off of something. Maybe barbituits are fun
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to pork on. It could have been there could have
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: very well been a few different reasons for them to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: do it together. Yeah, Or it could have just been
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: her thing while they were hanging out and it was
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, it's it was a party of two
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and as a party of one, help me jaeg or Hoover.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The only thing I don't like about
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: this theory is that there were a lot of people
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: at her house that night, and there's actually one theory
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: near the end the theory. I think. Here's what sucks
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: about the Marilyn Monroe theories to me, as much as
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I want it to be Kennedy related, the one that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: not Kennedy related that will get to on this list
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: sounds like the absolute most plausible aw to me. I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: know it sucks, but this one isn't bad because this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: there is like there's I don't know if I have
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it in the notes, but when you get into the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: mob stuff, it's rumored that she was fucking someone in
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the mob also, and that at one point he went
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to her place and installed hidden cameras and caught Bobby
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Kennedy doing drugs and having sex with Marilyn Monroe also,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: so that could be I think that that's possible that
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: maybe they were just partying together and she died and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: he decided to get the fuck out of there and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: make it look like a suicide.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's a likely one for me, because that one,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like, is something that has happened.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Before, and it's one that one of the common rebuttals
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: people have whenever you bring up a conspiracy theory or
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: one of the most common objections I guess is, oh,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: but so many people would have had to lie for
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: so many years for that to work, And in this
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you only need like five people. Yeah, and the government,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the Kennedy's, whoever you're talking about, they have enough money
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to pay off three or four Marilyn Monroe employees for
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a lifetime.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: They have enough money to make me go by the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: name Greg for the rest of my life and not
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: question it. Absolutely. It's like, OK, it's my name now,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm Greg. I'm comfortable with it. Everyone act
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: like I've always been Greg.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: That would be cool. Yeah, Like if someone just like
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I would take that money changing my name, yeah, be like, no,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm Dave. Now give me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Five million dollars and I will name myself Dave Matthew's Band.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's a dangerous proposition that could make
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: you rich.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I know I'm scared and excited.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: But no, you have to make your stage name Dave
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Matthews Band.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I anger so many people.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Change your stage name to the Dave Matthews Band of comedy.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody likes me, but they never have heard before. They've
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: heard me before. Ye stop, said Dave Matthews Band.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Well that was me doing like a Dave Matthews thing,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but just like just a few things about me.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I've heard one Dave Matthew's bands song in my entire
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: life because at me and you played it for me
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and I could not recognize it, which is how we
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: found out I had gone the my entire life without
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: hearing a Dave Matthew song.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Oh not yeah. I think it was probably crash or something.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Like that, but I think it was sounded like a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: sounded like a very It sounded like crash or brick
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: or any of those like one word aggressive names that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: came to be songs for a while.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: He's garbage and he probably killed John f. Kennedy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Dave Matthews killed John F. Kennedy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was sent here. He was a South
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: African intelligence agent, because Dave Matthews is from South Africa,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: in case anyone didn't know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: That where Steely Dan from also South Africa.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Property. So yeah, maybe Kennedy staged her death. All right,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: now we're getting into the money. She was killed by
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the CIA to hurt the Kennedys. Curveball, right. This was
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a claim made by Matthew Smith in the book Victim
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: The Secret Tapes of Marilyn Monroe.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: The lifetimeness of these book titles.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I know, it's great, Well it's Marilyn Monroe. They have
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to bring in that. If you can't handle me at
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: my worst, you don't deserve me at my best, crowd,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: If you.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Can't handle me my worst, you don't deserve me at
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: foaming at the mouth.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. And if I heard that from anyone,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, cool, Yeah, I guess I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: don't move on. Uh, she was killed by the CIA
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to hurt the Kennedy's. His claim is that she the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: CIA knew she was sleeping with Bobby Kennedy and killed
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: her in retaliation for the Bay of Pigs invasion disaster.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: What I don't like that one now because the SI
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: they don't strike me as a retaliation type of outfit now,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like they wouldn't. I don't think they would kill Marilyn
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Monroe because their feelings were hurt.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they cut off resources. They don't like off off
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a broad and I mean I use the off abroad,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: but not for this, right, I.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Mean I do think they may be killed. Kennedy, Bobby
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Kennedy and yeah, yeah, yeah, the Bobby Kennedy low key
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is the way more interesting and terrifying Kennedy assassination conspiracy
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: theory because I think JFK was just accidentally shot by
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a secret Service agent who was responding to Lee Harvey
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Oswald actually firing shots.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite theory.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's so good. It's because it's so compelling. Yeah, if
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you watch the documentary, that guy researched that shit for
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: fifteen fucking.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Years, because that also is kind of what happened in
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Four Lions, And I've always wondered how they'd handle that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I don't what's four lions?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: You never? Okay? So four a Lions? Is that rism
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Metters In that movie, it's about four Zmed.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Who is that he's a rapper. Oh, I don't know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It's a really funny, dark comedy about four jihad terrorists
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that are trying to plan a bombing. But it's like
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: the hot fuzz of terrorist movies. Oh yeah, it's very
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: ridiculous and very funny. And in one of it, when
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they're both changing their minds about suicide bombing a marathon,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: but there's already been a call on them, and as
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: they're running, one of the agents called to the scene
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: can't figure out what crazy costume they're in and what
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a bear looks like because one of them's in a
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: bear costume, so he accidentally shoots an innocent man in
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a Chewbacca costume because he thought Chewbacco is a bear.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So they have an argument o where he just shot
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a fucking bystander because he couldn't tell the difference between
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Chewbaca and a bear.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That's great, And then the end.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Credits are them like covering up that, oh they didn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: shoot a bystander and that's very similar.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: To that theory. Yeah, that's great, it's you love it. Yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: if anyone hasn't said we did an episode about it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: If anyone hasn't seen it, watched JFK The Smoking Gun.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That is a really compelling theory. Yeah, and it What's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: what I love about it is it makes everything else true.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman, makes that true.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It's just a sad accident. And I fucking love that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: theory so much. But the Bobby Kennedy assassination, that is
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: some CIA mind control weirdness right there. Like everything about
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the the fucking every witness reports that sir Han Sirhan
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was standing in front of Bobby Kennedy and shooting the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: shot that killed Kennedy went in behind the back of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: his fucking ear.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not someone that you throw fancy.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: As if someone put him in a headlock and shot
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: him in the head basically, Yeah, possibly while hiding behind
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the person that they were pretending was the killer. God,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I love that theory. It's so good, so good. So
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: so I buy that the CIA could be involved in
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: this at some point, but I don't buy that they
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: would do it for retaliation.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's too that's too mean.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Girl, Yeah, that's and it's way too risky. Yeah, because like.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: The payoff isn't worth what could come out, right.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And I feel the same way about the theory that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: she was killed by the mafia to hurt the Kennedys.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: The book Double Cross written by Chuck and Sam g
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and Kanna, the brother and godson of the real Sam
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: g and Conna, who was a mob boss from Chicago.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: This book claims she was killed on orders from him,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and it was allegedly meant to convince Robert Kennedy to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: back off his crusade against organized crime. Seems like a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: terrible strategy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Also too risky for the payoff, super duper risky. The
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: mob is someone else that doesn't usually work emotionally. I mean, yes, no,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: they when it's something like Marilyn Monroe, where somebody is
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: just very much in the spotlight, that's not that's not
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: worth the payoff.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you look into organizations like this, you're right,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they try to take emotion out of it a lot.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Like even on the Wire. There's an episode of The
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Wire where Stringer Bell kind of gets fleeced by this
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: was it a congressman or a state representative, I don't remember.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And this guy he gave all this guy, this guy
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like all this bride money to get these permits, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: then the guy just took the money, and Stringer Bell
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to have this guy assassinated, and Avon Barksdale was like, no,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that's some day of the jackal shit. We would need
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: like actual assassins to do that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: You just got to take the hit.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: There'd be so much heat on us for that. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I can't picture the mob being like, you know, it'll
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: get him to back off us. Let's kill that woman
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he loves. Yeah, no, that's how that would be. Such
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like have they never seen a eighties revenge movie? I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: mean by that point they hadn't.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But well, because then it's eventually the Mob and JFK
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: having to compete in a ski.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Race exactly, and that I would watch. But I feel
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like if this theory was true, that would have happened. Yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: it would have progressed to the point where there was
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a ski race.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And then how they win America?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, is that spies like us?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I think, so.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: It's a movie, We're sure, so yeah. I don't like
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: either of these revenge type theories emotional, they don't they
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: don't make sense, too messy. It's not what I would
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: do if I was running a government.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Feels too much like the fan fiction of conspiracy theories.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or like the I know it's it's like
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory for housewives. Yeah like that. It's like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: an investigation discovery kind of thing. And I don't think
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that's what this is.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: It's the kind of thing you'd read in prevention magazine.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, not for us.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Not for us, bigly your conspiracy theorists, right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Prevention magazine. How to not get murdered by your famous boyfriend.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Also ala Vera good for IBS, page thirteen.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Well, now I need to know. Is it? It's great?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: My mom drinks it so much, Oh manager, my mom
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: has ib.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Ai.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Mom.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you could drink alovera. I mean it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: a liquid, I suppose. Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It comes in like juice forms sometimes and she drinks
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it with like that and mint and some other stuff.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So it's like really refreshing as it goes down. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: get a shot of it every time I hang out
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: with her. It's pretty nice. I burp up freshness for
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: like hours.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And burn relief. Yeah, burn your arm, just throw up
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I can heal.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about there's two theories left. This
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: next one. It's so boring, but it also sounds like
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: exactly the kind of thing that happens in la I don't.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Want it to be true, but it feels like it
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: can be.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It feels very true. And this is the theory that
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: her suicide was actually a cover up by her doctors,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And this theory was put forth in the nineteen ninety
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: three book Marilyn Monroe The Biography that's a lofty title,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: written by Donald and he claims her death was an
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: accidental overdose, but that it happened after she lied to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: her doctors about how much medication she was taking. So
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: they end up they end up over prescribing her medication,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and she dies of an accidental overdose, and they being
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: afraid of the consequences of what might happen to them
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: as medical professionals.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, Michael Jackson, Yeah, exactly.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: In light of having killed one of the world's biggest stars,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: they conspire with the housekeeping staff to stage it and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: make it look like a suicide. And what's really interesting
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: is the housekeeper is mentioned specifically in this theory, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: if you look at the official explanation for it, she's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: kind of the one who kicks things off because she
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: discovers at three am, by the way, which is a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: weird time to check, I would think, but discovers at
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: three am that Marilyn Monroe's door is locked and she's
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: not responding when they knock on the door or yell
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: for her, and then that kicks off the police coming
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: over and kicking the door in and finding her body.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: But it was the housekeeper basically who first alerted authorities,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and it's thought that she died somewhere between eight pm
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and ten pm, and so between that time and three am,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: then the housekeeper decides to check on her and finds
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that she's not answering.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: That makes it more likely because at any point, maybe
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the housekeeper could have discovered her sooner, or the doctors
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: could have and that's when they came up with a
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: theory between the two I mean, but the story between
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the two of them. And then she eventually calls at
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: three am, because it's more likely she comes up at
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: eight or ten with like, what, that's a usual tea
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: time for someone before bed, that's a usual glass of
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: water turn down service time, and right, that's that's right
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: when a housekeeper would discover someone, not three am, And
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that's enough time for her and the doctors to have
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: had that conversation before they call authorities.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Right, and especially when you consider that also in the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: official explanation, they say there was her housekeeper was asked
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to stay there because specifically because they were worried about
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe's mental state and they wanted someone to stay
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and watch her. So this woman didn't check on her
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: between ten pm and three am, And like, I feel
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: like that's not likely.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, not giving away my hand too much,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: because I don't know, fucking people have heard me on
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: this network before. I've been on suicide Watch before. And
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: when someone is assigned to you, they check on you
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: every hour. You can't close your door. They don't let
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: you close your door, right, And it's not so much
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a case of like I'm going to check on you
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: every few hours. It is hourly. Yeah, like constant sound
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: around your door, especially if like you're assigned to someone
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: by a doctor, right, there's a no closed door policy.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So it as boring as this theory.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Is, it's the most likely.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: It feels like the right one because it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: It feels like a doctor fuck up.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And it also at that point, the keeping a secret
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: part becomes so much easier. Yeah, because you're not protecting
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: some high level government secret. It's more like some I
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: know what you did last summer shit where you just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: all share a secret.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's a housekeeper that maybe didn't check on someone for
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: two hours, and some doctors that didn't verify information. Right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's it is a point A point B secret deal. Yeah,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and that is really easy to keep from slipping.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And god damn it, that feels like the most life.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know because the more I think about it. Also,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it really could have been either mistake. It could have
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: been the housekeeper who is basically placed there who didn't
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: check on her enough or let her close the door.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Or it could have been the doctors who both overdosed
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: her and were also aware of that and basically just
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: told people that the housekeeper was suicide watch.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, just a combination of both. Yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Like where they're.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Just like, well, everyone slipped, it's.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Not my faults, your fault, and they're like, no, it's
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: not my fault, your fault. Oh, let's make it look
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like a suicide. Let's shake on this Yeah, so I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: actually like that one. I like that theory as being
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a believable one. And it's not that scandalous either.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It's not easy to keep from leaking.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Right, right, So that's the one that's most likely. But
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: god damn it, I want this seventh and final one
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to be the right one. So fun she was going
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to expose the truth behind UFOs, Vanessa she knew, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the CIA can't let that happen. They've proven time and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: again when they killed Bill Clinton, when they killed Hillary Clinton,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: when they killed Trump. They haven't done any of those things,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: which is always surprising to me. But they all know.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: They all know. And there's rumors that the Kennedy assassination
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: was related to UFOs and that he wanted to uh
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: there was a memo that went out not long before
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: he was assassinated that was basically him wanting information from
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the CIA about UFOs so he could share it with
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Russia and start collaborating with Russia so we could work
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: on this threat together. And the CIA was.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, no, friend.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: We don't think so. And if you've ever seen the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: documentary Unacknowledged, which is on Netflix, it was I believe
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the number one documentary on iTunes or Apple Movies whatever
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the fuck of twenty seventeen, and it's this guy named
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Greer, who he really has his shit together.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like a crazy person, and he well,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he is super duper convinced that it's not a matter
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of will we ever get evidence that aliens are real.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: He's more like, well, we got it already, and people
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: just refuse to believe it or don't want to believe.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And he actually mentions in that documentary that Marilyn Monroe
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: was planning to leak information about UFOs and so the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: CIA had to kill her. But here's the thing. Would
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: anyone have believed it from Marilyn Monroe at the time?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Gray mantas free, Like would they They could have just Wow,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: they could have just been like a drunk, that's the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: easiest thing, like.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: All right, crazy lady.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: We love discrediting women. It's so easy to.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Do it is, and that's what like the CIA was
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: good at discrediting by then, they had already been through
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the Wormwood scandal. Yeah, so they they could have just
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: been like.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: What, she's drunk, she's a starlet. They're all nuts.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, Marylyn you're crazy.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: They're really good at like taking someone like fucking It's
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: simple as like Amy Winehouse saying I'm in trouble. They're like,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: she's not. Like we've done We do that all the time.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: That would have been so easy to do with Marylyn
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and instead of killing her.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't as much as I want it to be,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think she was killed over UFOs call me crazy. Yeah,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm the crazy.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what she meant by pear shaped in that song.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It could be, could be I've seen some pear shaped aliens.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Happy Birthday reagionally, God.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I want that one to be truth. A bug on
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: my computer ste not in my house. Pal probably just
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: flicked it into my drink, uh exactly. It's like, uh
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: snow piercer. So that's the Marilyn Monroe rundown of theories.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll settle on a really compelling one and do
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a deeper dive into it at some point.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: But I have out doctors.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: That doctor's thing seems really fucking compelling to me. It
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: just seems so natural and easy and exactly what kind
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of smart people would do. Kind of smart but also
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: awful people. It seems like exactly what they would do
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in that kind.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Of situation doable for the time period.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't didn't take a lot of extra. She
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: was already dead, so it didn't take any extra, didn't
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: take any murder. They didn't have to kill her. They
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: just had to stage it to look like a suicide,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: which would have just been a matter of dumping out
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: whatever pills she didn't take, Yeah, or dumping them down
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: her throat either. Well, no, that wouldn't work because they
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't dissolve at that point.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: That's just like putting candy in a shallow piata.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched enough forensic files.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I know same so much that it like frightened my parents.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I could get away with some
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: shit now, but I don't, because that's how people always
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: get caught.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: There's always like that getting cocky.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: There's always that new thing and then it's like no, well,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: actually your step counter, it's like what those are catching
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: people now? Yeah, it's always to technology. Technology advances always
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: lead to a lot of arrests. Be it people not
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: understanding that your cell phone can ping off a tower
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: right by where you dumped the body. Yeah, all that
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: shit DNA like, oh, I can't jerk off on a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: corpse now phone compuritans.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Like, sa, do I find a blind spot in a
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: security camera?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Will Alexa tell you that I don't know?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Probably, and then she'll immediately like put me on a list.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I unplugged by Alexa after it started playing automatically,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: just started playing random music while I was recording creepy. Yeah,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't want that in my house.
• 40:35
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• 40:37
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• 40:40
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• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Alexa kill the president and then just run off.
• 40:45
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• 40:49
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