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#162 - Does Achieving Nirvana Mean Finding God? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  When you reach nirvana, does that mean you've found God?
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  Today, we're going to take a look at Dr. K sat down with Stephen Bartlett on A Diary of a CEO.
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  And they talked about the primary focus of it was about resisting temptation,
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  resisting the urge to watch pornography and to masturbate and all that.
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  That's what they mainly focused on. And it was very eye-opening and very enlightening.
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  And hearing Dr. K explain, because he is very smart, He gives a lot of techniques
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  of, I wouldn't even say resisting, because he says when you get into resisting, you're going to lose.
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  And he gives a lot of like pointers of how to not succumb to something.
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  It is basically putting it out there that you are not going to cave.
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  And when you do, if you say you're not going to, and then you do, you've lost.
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  And he gives a lot of techniques of how to resist, how to avoid it and all that.
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  And it's very eye-opening and very good. He gets into the, all the psychology of it.
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  And, but I, the focus kind of shifts and kind of turns when Steven starts asking them about God.
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  And I think they, to me, you'd have to check with the diary of a CEO,
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  but it seems like they cut a lot of stuff out because there's things that I
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  think that we're missing from it because it sounds like he went into like talking
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  about beings that are out there and all this.
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  And because they're talking about it in like retrospect in the conversation,
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  but he doesn't, it doesn't say it in the conversation.
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  And it's really cool. I want to actually, it almost gives Dr.
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  K a little pause when Stephen brings up about, do you believe in God?
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  And I want to take a look at this. But what's really fascinating is if you look
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  at some of these old Eastern texts, they say that the universe is born out of
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  a point called Bindu Visarga, which is literally described as a point of infinite energy,
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  matter, and consciousness, which then explodes into the universe. Do you believe in a God?
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  Sure. So I think that what we call a God, so if you look at like a person,
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  a person has like layers, right? So if I ask like, who is Stephen?
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  Stephen has a body. So there's a certain level of Stephen that is a physical
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  form. There's a certain level of Stephen that is a bank account.
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  There's a certain level of Stephen that is a brand. Which one of those is really
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  Stephen? They're all really Stephen.
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  So I think there is something at the resolution that people would call a God that does exist.
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  So you think there's a higher power that is somewhat intentional? Yes.
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  Obviously the question becomes what, created that so i don't think that's that's
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  the right question because when we talk about what created god it's asking the
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  wrong question it's asking the wrong thing because you will get into this infinite.
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  Escalator type of theology that you just go back and back and back.
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  There's never one singularity or point.
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  Because I know we always talk about the singularity of the Big Bang.
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  That's where everything was in one point and then exploded into everything.
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  Almost nothingness became everything.
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  The Bible is kind of clear about it. The singularity is Jesus.
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  He is the point that everything just erupted into everything.
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  God the Father spoke through Jesus the Word.
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  And just everything came into existence. It says we are held intact by the son
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  of God, by the word of his power. We are held together.
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  Our molecules are not just, just dismembering or just like just going away from each other.
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  But like, it was kind of weird whenever he asked, do you believe in God? And he's like, sure.
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  And it seemed like at that point, that was the only throughout the whole conversation that Dr.
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  K got a little bit like, you want to go there? You really want to go there? Kind of thing.
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  He was hesitant. He talked about everything. I mean, you're talking about masturbation
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  and like the most uncomfortable subject ever. And he's like, he doesn't care.
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  It's like, it's very easy to talk about in just regular common parlance.
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  But when you bring up the issue about God, it seemed like I'm not ready to touch that. I don't know.
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  And this next part, this next clip is really eye-opening because he says,
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  I don't want to talk about it.
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  He asked, Stephen asked the question and even Stephen is caught off guard.
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  And then Dr. K, he goes into it. He goes into it. It's pretty cool.
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  But I just want to know what your intuition tells you.
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  It's not, so experience, right? So I think when you experience certain states
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  of meditation, you have experiences of things outside of the normative reality.
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  Now, you can also make a biological reductionist argument that those are just
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  illusions, hallucinations created by neurons.
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  I don't think that that's true. What specifically are you referring to that you've experienced?
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  I don't talk about it. You can ask me a more specific question,
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  and then maybe I can say something, but. What is the right question to ask you? So I'll try to explain.
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  So this is going to get weird, okay? Okay, it's going to get weird.
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  It's not as weird as you'd think it's going to get.
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  But like, Stephen's like, what do I need to ask you to get like what you're talking about?
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  Something has changed like his
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  demeanor and what he's like actually going through and getting into this.
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  I think because I have had experiences before, like when I talked to somebody,
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  just a random guy, I wanted to share Jesus with and I brought up the Lord to him.
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  And he's like he was immediately like the countenance in anybody's face changes
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  when you start talking about God about anything because he's like don't talk
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  to me about that you don't bring that up to somebody that is something you don't say to somebody like.
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  I know I just, I was a new Christian and I just completely caught him off guard.
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  But when you start bringing up the topic about these type of things,
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  and you would expect that that would be the case, you know, when we're talking
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  about the most important things of ever,
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  you know, and we all have this, this core innate desire of finding out what
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  the truth is, but we're just, we're all just grasping for something.
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  It becomes very personal.
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  And at times he even talks about guilt and feeling, feeling bad and, and shame and all this.
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  And it's like, I, that, that is why it does get extremely tough for anybody
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  because we all experiencing that.
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  And like, do we really need to experience that with God?
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  And I think if we have a right view of God, we don't need to,
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  we shouldn't need to, because there's a reason that Jesus went to the cross. He paid for our sin.
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  He paid for our shame. He paid for our guilt.
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  But if you're just, if you're going out on all these other directions of viewpoints
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  of the world, you're going to become, you're going to come up empty.
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  I don't care how much nirvana you achieve or how much meditation you put in.
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  You could put it in centuries.
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  If you don't find Jesus, Jesus is the answer. He's the answer that I don't want
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  to be like dogmatic, but like at a point you, you have to tell people how it is.
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  You have to tell people how it is, but let's see. Let's hear it get weird.
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  So I realized recently that I used to value credibility over truth.
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  You understand credibility and truth are two fundamentally different things.
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  So credibility is saying something that is believable, right?
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  So believability depends on you, not on me.
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  Yeah. So what I realized recently is that credibility is about changing your
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  language to fit the ignorance of the audience, like literally.
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  So I was thinking about this recently in my own midlife crisis,
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  and I was like, what am I here to do?
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  Am I here to be famous and successful? If so, then I should be credible.
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  But if I want to speak the truth, then I need to allow my brand or whatever
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  the fuck it is to like fall apart and be like not credible for people to think that I'm an idiot.
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  And I think that is more important, right? Because that's ego.
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  Like people can think I'm dumb.
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  I would rather speak the truth than be credible in this moment and in some limited ways.
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  Right there. It seems like he's caught in this hard place. He doesn't want,
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  and this is where I think they took some stuff out.
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  I don't know. You would have to ask them if they clip some stuff.
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  And you know they have to they make it really good they put a good package
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  together when they release every podcast of diary of ceo
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  but then after this it seems like they're talking about or
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  dr k says i'm you might just i might
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  just sound like some crazy guy talking about these beans out there
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  and all this but i didn't really hear him talking about
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  it i didn't in the conversation you don't really hear him actually
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  touching on those things so did things get just
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  clipped and removed because it
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  went way too out there or did it just did they want to keep the flow i mean
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  there's reasons for editing and all that but when he talks about i have to this
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  is where it's going to get weird i have to decide whether i want to be credible
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  or i want to tell the truth do i want to be credible as in because anybody can
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  get out there and just say whatever.
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  If you want to you know what your audience is going to like reach be happy about
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  they're going to receive.
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  Just by me saying earlier, Jesus is the answer. Jesus is the truth.
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  Immediately, you who hear this are going to be either like, amen, amen, brother.
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  Or you're going to be like, this guy's a freaking idiot.
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  This guy doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. You're probably in one camp or the other.
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  And some people are indifferent. You're kind of in that in between.
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  You're not even giving any thought about it. But most people are on one side
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  or the other. They've kind of made their decision.
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  And even not knowing you've made a decision, you've made a decision at some points.
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  But I think this is where he kind of went off the radar. He said,
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  I want to be a person that talks about truth.
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  And he goes into all these kind of, he says, I don't want to let ego get in
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  and me like say, I've had these visions.
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  I've had these experiences because every time I talk about that,
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  I get set back about a decade.
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  And I think that that is the whole pursuit of nirvana and pursuit of just becoming
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  one with whatever it is out there and this whole karma thing that, you know, you...
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  Do good. You got to do enough good so you can get out of it,
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  so you can become absorbed one more, one back with your creator,
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  back with this thing that first started you.
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  But all of this, it's fluff.
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  And I know that so many people talk about this thing, that so many people believe
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  this, but no matter what you think, it's fluff.
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  And all it is is a distraction to try to distract you from the real question is, who is Jesus?
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  Who do you say that he is? every other direction that anybody goes out,
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  they're just trying to stiff arm the reality and the truth that is being presented to them.
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  And they don't want to think about it. They don't want to talk about it because Nirvana, Buddha,
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  all this Hinduism, all this other stuff, it doesn't put a demand on your life,
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  a demand for change, a demand to actually make a decision and do something different.
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  You're not really being held accountable by Buddha. You're not really being
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  held accountable by these Eastern religions that are out there.
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  But there is accountability when it comes when we look at the Bible and the
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  revealed truth of who God is.
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  And that's why it becomes squeamish, uncomfortable, because a lot of us,
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  we just don't want to deal with it.
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  And it's like, until we just jump in, I don't think we ever just,
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  oh, I'm going to jump into God today.
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  No, a lot of times God just says, you're jumping in.
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  He grabs us. He grabs us. You know, and if you feel yourself that I'm going
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  to surrender to him, on the other side, you're going to see that God was the
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  one causing you to surrender.
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  That's what I would say to all that. But like he went in a lot of different
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  directions. They talked about a lot of things.
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  I'm not, everybody feels uncomfortable talking about pornography and masturbation
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  and all that. The whole podcast was very good.
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  You should listen to it. There's so many just good techniques because he gives
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  a lot of good ideas of just changing your mindset about these things,
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  about these things so that you don't give in to something and become mastered by your addictions.
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  So overall, Dr. K is amazing. I would have to say that he's very brilliant,
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  but I don't know where he's at because I don't know, did they cut some stuff
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  out that might've give us a little bit more truth of the matter of what they talked about.
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  All right, so if you've enjoyed this video, hit this video on this side and
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  I'll see you on the other side.