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MICA MILLER'S PASTOR-HUSBAND HOME RAIDED BY FBI AFTER HER MYSTERIOUS 'SUICIDE' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Michael Miller's past her husband's
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Speaker 1: home rated by the FBI after Mike's mysterious suicide.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: God hates divorce.
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Speaker 2: But why?
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Speaker 4: According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,
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Speaker 4: it's because it hurts people.
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Speaker 2: But does abuse hurt people?
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Speaker 5: How do you think God feels about that?
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Speaker 6: I almost ink counting now one one?
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Speaker 4: What's the address of your emergency?
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Speaker 7: I just want my family to know where to find me.
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Speaker 8: I got this late next to her body, and it's
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Speaker 8: been down with their body about four times this week.
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Speaker 2: It each time it still didn't hit me. I thought
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Speaker 2: she was going to wake up.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 8: I even tried to raise her from the dead one
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Speaker 8: time this week.
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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, that only happened twice in history. There
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Speaker 1: was Lazarus who was raised from the dead if you
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Speaker 1: choose to believe the Bible, and I do.
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Speaker 2: And then of course there was Christ.
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Speaker 1: Now did I just understand John Paul Miller, the husband
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Speaker 1: of a beautiful, beautiful on the inside and the out
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Speaker 1: young woman Micah now dead? Did he just say I
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Speaker 1: laid next to her body and spent time with her
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Speaker 1: body four times this week and it didn't He hit me.
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Speaker 1: I thought she was going to wake up. I even
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Speaker 1: tried to raise her from the dead. Okay, Laura and
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Speaker 1: Colin joining me investigative reporter co hosts Primetime Crime on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at Popcrime dot Tv. Lauren, Did
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Speaker 2: I hear that right? I need a reality check?
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Speaker 1: Did he just say he tried to raise her from
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Speaker 1: the dead and he laid by her body four times
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Speaker 1: and he still didn't realize that she was dead.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Nancy, You're correct he said that.
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Speaker 9: John Paul Miller has said a plethora of odd statements,
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Speaker 9: and I also want to point out that when he
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Speaker 9: announced his wife's death, it was almost like a side
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Speaker 9: note at the end of this sermon, which just did
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Speaker 9: not sit right with me.
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Speaker 1: In the last days, the FBI has rated Micah Miller's
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Speaker 1: husband's home. Why with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now? But before
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Speaker 1: I get into the raid, I want to speak to
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Speaker 1: Anna Francis.
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Speaker 2: This is Micah's sister. Anna. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Were you surprised at all when you learned the FBI
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Andy and Barney from Mayberry. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about the FBI rating his home. Were you surprised
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Speaker 1: at all?
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Speaker 5: I don't think you'reness really surprised with anything that happens anymore.
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Speaker 5: It seems like no matter what is going on in
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Speaker 5: this case, there's things that are happening in right and
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Speaker 5: left field the whole time. So our families basically just
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Speaker 5: staying hopeful that justice will come for Micah. But nothing
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Speaker 5: can surprise us at this point.
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Speaker 10: While many speculate as to the reason the FBI rated
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Speaker 10: swarmed Micah Miller's husband's home, many believe that somehow, some
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Speaker 10: way it relates back to this.
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Speaker 11: Investigators at Lumber River State Park are notified by a
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Speaker 11: kayaker at four twenty three pm that a body is
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Speaker 11: in the river and a black bag with idea of
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Speaker 11: money found on the bank of the river is turned
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Speaker 11: over to law enforcement as well. Officers recover two spend
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Speaker 11: casings and one live round on the bank of the river,
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Speaker 11: and there's no sign of a physical struggle. A regional
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Speaker 11: pathologist is called to the scene for assistance. Micah Miller
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Speaker 11: is found submerged in the river beside tree limbs about
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Speaker 11: one hundred feet from the Casings too.
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Speaker 2: An A.
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Speaker 1: Francis joining us. This is Micah's sister. When did you
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Speaker 1: learn that Micah had passed away?
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Speaker 5: That night?
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Speaker 2: Very late?
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Speaker 5: And I got a call from my brother, actually it
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Speaker 5: was about it was about midnight, almost and my brother
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Speaker 5: goes to bed very early, so I knew something was wrong.
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Speaker 5: So he told me what had happened, and I just
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Speaker 5: couldn't believe it. I said, there's no way, She's probably
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Speaker 5: just hiding somewhere. She probably faked it just to get away.
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Speaker 5: But just disbelief is what happened first through my mind
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Speaker 5: for probably weeks with me.
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Speaker 1: Regina Ward, this is Micah's sister's lawyer, attorney.
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Speaker 2: For her family.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at attorney Regina Ward dot com.
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Speaker 2: Regina, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Why is it do you believe that so many supporters
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Speaker 1: of Micah still believe that somehow the husband's responsible.
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Speaker 12: Well, obviously there are too many questions that are unanswered.
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Speaker 12: There are things that don't.
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Speaker 6: Add up to a logical thought.
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Speaker 12: Pattern, and so those types of things obviously keep it questionable.
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Speaker 12: And the other thing, you know, I guess at the
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Speaker 12: end of the day, as far as eyewitnesses to what
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Speaker 12: happened to say, really what happened on that day, and
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Speaker 12: without that information, looking at everything else, mister Miller's bizarre
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Speaker 12: behavior after the passing of his wife, so many things,
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Speaker 12: and plus the history of that relationship certainly makes you know,
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Speaker 12: anyone look at that and say things just it just
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Speaker 12: doesn't pass the smell test, you know, it just doesn't
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Speaker 12: add up well.
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Speaker 1: For so long, she had lived basically under a rain
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Speaker 1: of fear. She was undermined at every turn by alleged affairs,
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Speaker 1: her tires being flatted, her car being taken, one thing
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Speaker 1: after the next, after the next, after the next.
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Speaker 2: Long story short, we do know this, Listen.
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Speaker 13: Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent
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Speaker 13: photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs
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Speaker 13: and Nice Curves. Police told Micah since the photo was
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Speaker 13: posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul
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Speaker 13: Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry
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Speaker 13: for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added,
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Speaker 13: I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also
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Speaker 13: included it was evil of me to do that.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it has been ruled a suicide, yet that
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Speaker 1: is not stopping protesters.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Eric J.
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Speaker 1: Davis, private investigator licensed in this jurisdiction, you can find
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Speaker 1: him at RDFIG that is Richardson Davis and Forrest Investigative Group,
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Speaker 1: And for my purposes he's former FBI supervisory Agent.
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Speaker 2: Eric Davis, thank you for being with us. I find
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Speaker 2: that very.
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Speaker 1: Difficult to believe that the pastor writes puts in writing,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry for putting the picture of you on the Internet.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to try and hurt you. It was
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Speaker 1: evil of me to do that. Yet that has not
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Speaker 1: been prosecuted. So how hard is it to prove? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody's heard of IP Internet provider address. Any
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Speaker 1: such transmission can be traced directly back to the computer from.
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Speaker 2: Whence it came. It's like a fingerprint.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got in writing the man apologizes he did
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Speaker 1: it posting her indecent photo on a site called Big
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Speaker 1: Boobs and Nice Curves. Really, and that wasn't prosecuted, Eric Davis?
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 6: Well, it maybe Broski the SBI conducted raid and brought
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Speaker 6: the evidence response team into JP's house, and that could
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Speaker 6: have been for a myriad or reasons. But certainly that
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Speaker 6: would have been one of them to check the computers
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Speaker 6: for any evidence that he had sent it, or his
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Speaker 6: phones and other things they could be looking at. Could
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Speaker 6: be a white collar offense having to do with the
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Speaker 6: church and money movement. It's hard to know until you
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Speaker 6: get hold of the Affidavid. And when you have a
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Speaker 6: search warrant, that means a special agent went to a
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Speaker 6: judge and convinced the judge there's probable cause of a
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Speaker 6: federal crime, and the judge agreed and permitted the search warrant.
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Speaker 6: But the Affidavid, I'm sure is sealed right now, so
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Speaker 6: we can't read it yet.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what.
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Speaker 1: Eric Davis joining us from Richardson, Davis and Forrest Investigative Group.
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Speaker 1: I like what you just said because you know how
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Speaker 1: the fads love money trail. But that said, Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: I need help. I need a shrink. Karen Start renounced
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan TV radio trauma expert.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstart dot com. Karen with
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Speaker 1: the Karen, thanks again for being with us. Posting your
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Speaker 1: wife's photo, Anna Francis.
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Speaker 2: Was it a naked photo? Was she closed in anyway?
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Speaker 14: From what I could tell it was a naked photo, Nancy,
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Speaker 14: but it was blurred, and every step of the way
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Speaker 14: the police did not investigate. When she complained about anything
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Speaker 14: that had to do with cohesive control ways, that he
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Speaker 14: was subtly, very subtly taking over her life and he
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Speaker 14: was tracking her, and they said they couldn't investigate. That
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Speaker 14: they didn't investigate the photo.
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Speaker 2: She was married.
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Speaker 14: They kept coming up with reasons for why they could
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Speaker 14: not help this beautiful woman whose life was taken over
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Speaker 14: by this pastor.
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Speaker 1: Karen Starke, I agree with everything you just said, but
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Speaker 1: my question was not that your response was un responsive.
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Speaker 1: I asked you about a man that would post well
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Speaker 1: any woman, much less his wife's naked photo on big
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Speaker 1: boobs and nice curves. I mean, what a POC technical
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Speaker 1: legal term.
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Speaker 2: You got to help me out. I don't understand the thinking,
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Speaker 2: Karen Stark.
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Speaker 14: It's just what he's all about, and he knows that
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Speaker 14: if he does that, he's going to humiliate her. It's
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Speaker 14: one more way that she doesn't feel good about herself.
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Speaker 1: Guys, we were learning that in the last days, the
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Speaker 1: FBI has raided the home of Micah Miller's pastor husband,
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Speaker 1: John Paul Miller this as protests go on outside the
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Speaker 1: church outside his home. Why did the FBI swarm his
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Speaker 1: home taking out bag after bag after bag?
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Speaker 2: What's happening? Listen?
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Speaker 11: Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home and the FBI Evidence
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Speaker 11: Response team shows up to rate his South Carolina home.
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Speaker 11: The FBI won't say what they're looking for. An FBI spokesman,
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Speaker 11: Kevin Wheeler tells you I say today the FBI is
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Speaker 11: conducting court authorized law enforcement activity, been due to the
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Speaker 11: ongoing nature of the investigation, will be providing no fur
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Speaker 11: their comments on the matter. The lawyer for Pastor John
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Speaker 11: Paul Miller, Russell Long, claims the FBI is on a
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Speaker 11: fishing expedition. There was no affidavit attached to the search warrant, Therefore,
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Speaker 11: I have no idea what it's in relation to. All
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Speaker 11: day long, members of the FBI's Evidence Response team go
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Speaker 11: in and out of the home carrying paper bags and
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Speaker 11: other items from the home.
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Speaker 5: I just want to let you know that I'm alive
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Speaker 5: and well, and I'm going through a lot, and it's hard.
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Speaker 14: Circumstances would change. I pray that the fear inside would
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Speaker 14: flee and Jesus.
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Speaker 1: Nay, it's very hard to believe that Michah Miller is dead.
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Speaker 1: Our body found submerged in a body of water. Joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel. But I want to go
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Speaker 1: first to Chris joining us, who claims that the pastor
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Speaker 1: John Paul Miller begged her for nude photos.
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Speaker 2: Christianna, thank you for being with us. What happened?
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Speaker 4: He came into the restaurant where I was working back
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Speaker 4: in February and left his name on his I mean
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Speaker 4: left his phone number on his receipt. And I'm a
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Speaker 4: very curious person, and you can't be too cautious these days,
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Speaker 4: so out of curiosity, I looked him up to see
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Speaker 4: who he was. I saw that he was a pastor
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Speaker 4: and quite possibly married, and I, I guess I didn't
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Speaker 4: react like most people would, and I was suspicious, and
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Speaker 4: it made me angry because I've grown up watching similar
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Speaker 4: situations to this take place. So I thought, is there
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Speaker 4: something I can do? Can I perhaps report this to
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Speaker 4: his church or contact his wife or something. I wasn't sure.
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Speaker 4: I ended up talking to a friend of mine who
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Speaker 4: had a friend who had attended the church and had
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Speaker 4: a very bad experience. So I ended up getting some
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Speaker 4: information from that friend, and when I spoke with him,
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Speaker 4: I didn't let on that I was aware of anything
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Speaker 4: about him, and I ended up with screenshots of him
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Speaker 4: asking for nudes and just being generally sleazy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear the whole thing, Christianna. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean by generally being sleazy?
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Speaker 4: Just well, he said that he wanted to see well,
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Speaker 4: he asked if I had a picture of me with
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Speaker 4: just a mermaid tale. I do character appearances for birthday
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Speaker 4: parties and things as a mermaid. And he was saying
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Speaker 4: that in response to one of my photos, asking if
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Speaker 4: I had one, basically asking if I had a topic.
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Speaker 2: I have a question. Okay, yeah, right, right.
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Speaker 1: So you're a waitress in a restaurant. He comes in,
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Speaker 1: he gives you his phone number, right, and you start
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Speaker 1: communicating by text and phone, I guess, and he wants
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Speaker 1: you to give him a photo of you with nothing
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Speaker 1: but a mermaid tail on. That's correct, Okay, hold on,
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Speaker 1: let me just digest that for just one moment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, did you mentioned this was in February of what year?
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Speaker 1: This year, twenty twenty four, and that would have been
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Speaker 1: just before Mica was found dead in April of twenty four. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to that timeline. So you
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Speaker 1: said he was asking for nude photos excuse me, plus
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Speaker 1: some marmaiytail and what did you say?
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Speaker 2: You said he was also generally sleazy in what way?
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Speaker 1: And all this time you knew he's a pat not
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Speaker 1: only married, but a pastor to boot.
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Speaker 2: So what happened?
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Speaker 4: We didn't text a whole lot. It was for about
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Speaker 4: two weeks, just occasional. I guess. I just kept the
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Speaker 4: line of communication open enough to get the screenshots, and
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Speaker 4: I wasn't really sure what I was going to do
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Speaker 4: with it from there because I had learned from my
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Speaker 4: friend that his church had a history of.
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Speaker 2: Covering up his behavior.
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Speaker 4: And I was unable to find any way to contact
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Speaker 4: his wife. At the time. There was a Facebook page
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Speaker 4: in her name, but I gathered that he was running it,
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Speaker 4: and I didn't know if she had any access to it,
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Speaker 4: and I couldn't find anything else, So I just kind of.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever tell him you knew he was a
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Speaker 2: married pastor?
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Speaker 4: I did not.
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Speaker 2: What did you do with the screenshots? Did you ever
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Speaker 2: show them to anyone?
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Speaker 7: So?
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Speaker 4: Well, initially, now after I found out about Mica I
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Speaker 4: had talked with another friend and said should I text
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Speaker 4: him and see how he responds. And my friend was like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: if you're up for it, go for it, because this
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Speaker 4: friend was covering some of it. And so I sent
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Speaker 4: him a text and I just played it off and
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Speaker 4: said something like, hey, stranger, how have you been anything new?
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Speaker 4: And this man responded with yes, lots new lol, days
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Speaker 4: after what happened to her. And so I have a
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Speaker 4: screenshot of that and all of the previous screenshots, but
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Speaker 4: I haven't done anything else with them except I sent
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Speaker 4: the entire conversation to Regina so that she would have
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Speaker 4: the full account.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting that he is coming to you
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Speaker 1: a waitressy spot, like a shark at work, gets your
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Speaker 1: number and immediately starts asking you.
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Speaker 2: For naked photos.
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Speaker 1: This in comparison to what he just told WPDE listen.
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Speaker 8: Never once, in any way, shape or form, not in
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Speaker 8: any type of abuse, not physical, and no type of
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Speaker 8: abuse ever. I took better care of her than any
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Speaker 8: man could have possibly taken care of her.
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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at WPDE ABC fifteen. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: let's analyze that Anna Francis is with me. This is
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Speaker 1: MICA's sister, he says, not once, in any way, shape
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Speaker 1: or form, Not in any type of abuse, not physical
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Speaker 1: and any back tracks, No, no type of abuse ever.
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Speaker 1: I took better care of her than any man could
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Speaker 1: have possibly taken care of her in any way. Does
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Speaker 1: that include hitting on Christina in a restaurant and asking
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Speaker 1: for nude photos? Then, just days after your sister's death
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Speaker 1: by gunshot wound, her body found submerged in a body
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Speaker 1: of water, he writes, Lots.
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Speaker 5: Happening, l l There's a lot that he will try
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Speaker 5: to cover up for the rest of his life and
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Speaker 5: try to deny and tell himself that that's not the
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Speaker 5: truth when everyone else around him knows that that's not
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Speaker 5: the truth, he will still continue to push his narrative
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Speaker 5: for the rest of his life.
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Speaker 1: Hona, I appreciate your thought that he will live in
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Speaker 1: a mental and emotional hell of his own making.
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Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question.
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Speaker 1: Okay, when a snake, let's just say, rattlesnake, bites and
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Speaker 1: kills someone, you think it feels bad about that or
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Speaker 1: did it just slither off and look for the next victim.
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Speaker 5: I don't think snakes have feelings, and I don't think
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Speaker 5: he does either.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't count on him to live the rest of
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Speaker 1: his life in emotional turmoil about the way he treated
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Speaker 1: your sister before she died. Yet this is what he
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Speaker 1: says to wpd Ea B.
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Speaker 2: See, let's listen to that one more time.
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Speaker 8: Never once in any way, shape or form, not in
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Speaker 8: any type of abuse, not physical, and no type of
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Speaker 8: abuse ever. I'll to any better care of her than
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Speaker 8: any man could have possibly taken care of her.
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Speaker 5: Marmoston County, Now one one, what's the address of your emergency?
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Speaker 4: Hi?
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Speaker 5: Are you able to trace the location on my phone?
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Speaker 4: You don't know where you're at?
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Speaker 3: A national park.
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Speaker 7: I just want my family to know where to find me.
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Speaker 11: While Micah Miller's family and friends hold service beachside for Micah,
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Speaker 11: John Paul Miller delivers a eulogy for his estranged wife,
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Speaker 11: Michael Miller at Solid Rocket Market Common. Miller seems to
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Speaker 11: cry without any tears while talking about how he tried
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Speaker 11: to raise Micah from the dead. Claims he laid down
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Speaker 11: with his wife about four times, and when he took
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Speaker 11: a dogtag necklace Micah had given him to the mall
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Speaker 11: to get it fixed, he saw a woman wearing Micah's
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Speaker 11: dress with the same tattoo and hairstyle. He calls out Micah,
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Speaker 11: but it was her sister. How do you raised Micah
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Speaker 11: from the dead?
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Speaker 1: Okay, well wait wait, he thought he raised Micah from
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Speaker 1: the dead. According to him, after that, can we believe
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Speaker 1: anything he has to say. But let's go to the
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Speaker 1: here and out. But when you look at the here
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Speaker 1: and now, let's just say, when you don't know a horse,
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Speaker 1: look at his track record? What a history of let
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Speaker 1: me say ephemistically, turbulence.
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Speaker 2: This couple has had listen.
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Speaker 3: After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker
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Speaker 3: is removed from her car, she gets an apology email
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Speaker 3: from John Paul Miller. In the apology email, pastor John
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Speaker 3: Paul Miller tells his estranged wife, quote, when someone hurts me,
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Speaker 3: I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He
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Speaker 3: goes on to say, quote instead of forgiving you, I
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Speaker 3: just attack and try to cause pain.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not quite sure why he is attacking her.
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Speaker 2: What has she done to him? Now?
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Speaker 1: There you hear. He apologizes for slashing her tires.
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Speaker 2: He admits he had.
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Speaker 1: A GPS tracker on her car, but just like posting
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Speaker 1: the semi nude photo of his wife to something called
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Speaker 1: big boobs and nice curves.
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Speaker 2: I've never even heard of that before.
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Speaker 1: Nothing was done, and now Micah is dead.
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Speaker 2: But that's not all. Listen to what Micah told police herself.
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Speaker 13: Michaeh Miller calls police February tenth to a Walmart parking
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Speaker 13: lot to report her car stolen by her estranged husband.
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Speaker 13: She explains to police she has been hospitalized against her will,
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Speaker 13: and while she was in the hospital, John Paul Miller
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Speaker 13: got her purse and keys. She tells police she has
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Speaker 13: known her husband since she was ten and he groomed
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Speaker 13: her while she worked for him at their church. Police
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Speaker 13: tell Micah, since they are still married, the car is
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Speaker 13: marital property and they can't charge him with anything.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand, Lauren Kalin, investigative reporter. You have him
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Speaker 1: apologizing in writing for surreptitiously posting her semi nude on
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Speaker 1: some freak site and getting some kind of a weird
22:11
Speaker 1: kick out of it. You have him apologizing for slashing
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Speaker 1: her tires, for putting a GPS tracker on her, yet
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Speaker 1: local law enforcement did nothing. You got a woman crying
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Speaker 1: in the Walmart parking lot and nothing happens.
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Speaker 2: What is wrong? Nothing happens, Nancy. It's completely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 9: And as it was just stated, she was hospitalized against
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Speaker 9: her will. So this is just another form of JP
22:39
Speaker 9: Miller's alleged course of control.
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Speaker 4: Two.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us a renowned chief medical examiner
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Speaker 1: in Terrant County. That's fort Worth, never a lack of
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Speaker 1: business at the Morgue there lecturer at the esteemed Brunette
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Speaker 1: School of Medicine TCU.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure many people do not
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Speaker 1: believe that Micha Miller committed suicide. I know she bought
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Speaker 1: the gun. I've seen the video of her buying the gun.
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Speaker 1: I know what she said to the nine on one dispatch.
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Speaker 1: But yet I still want definitive proof. Okay, call me
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Speaker 1: a doubter, but I just want to know. Now, how
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Speaker 1: can we prove that her gunshot wound was absolutely self inflicted?
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Speaker 4: Help me?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's certainly so.
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Speaker 7: Based on the autopsy report. She has a gunshot wound
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Speaker 7: on the right side of her head that has stell
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Speaker 7: eight tears, a muscle impression, in black part particularly what
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Speaker 7: tears what stell eight tears, which are when the gases
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Speaker 7: of the bullet go into the scalp, it pulls up
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Speaker 7: and it creates this kind of stelly wound pattern on
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Speaker 7: the skin. She also has black particulate matter in the wound,
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Speaker 7: which is from gun. So the one thing is so
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Speaker 7: this is a.
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Speaker 1: Crowns if someone held a gun to your head and
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Speaker 1: shot you point blank, a so called contact wound where
24:11
Speaker 1: the gun is making contact with your head, you get
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Speaker 1: all of that.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't tell me a suicide.
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Speaker 1: That tells me she died of a contact gunshot wound.
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Speaker 7: That's correct. Contact gunshot wound will cause all that. If
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Speaker 7: someone executes you, they would have to hold you in
24:28
Speaker 7: place or somehow subdue you and then shoot you in
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Speaker 7: the head. So all we have is a contact wound.
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Speaker 7: But you have the context of she makes the nine
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Speaker 7: to one one call, she purchases the gun, and then
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Speaker 7: she is found with the gun or found in the water,
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Speaker 7: but guns at the scene with two fired casings. It
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Speaker 7: all has kind of the fitting of a suicide. Granted,
24:51
Speaker 7: someone could have shot her in the head, but it
24:53
Speaker 7: would be difficult to shoot someone in the head without
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Speaker 7: subduing them in some way, tying them up, cuffing.
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Speaker 1: Them, convinced to them it was the right thing to do.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I know you spend most of your
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Speaker 1: time in the morgue, which is a whole other can
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Speaker 1: of worms for me. But that said, yes, people have
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Speaker 1: been convinced to commit suicide.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you recall Heaven's Gate.
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Speaker 1: That was a new religious movement at the time where
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Speaker 1: many people, a couple of dozen people were convinced to
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Speaker 1: commit suicide to go to the hereafter. And then, of
25:30
Speaker 1: course there was the pastor Jim Johnson that convinced people
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Speaker 1: to drink poisonous kool aid. Off the top of my head,
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Speaker 1: I can think of Michelle Carter who convinced her very
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Speaker 1: very tender, young innocent boyfriend to a hell carbon monoxide
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Speaker 1: till he dies. Yes, people have been convinced to commit suicide.
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Speaker 2: It has happened.
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Speaker 7: I agree with you. Individuals have been convinced to commit
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Speaker 7: suicide by other individuals. But what you were referring to
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Speaker 7: earlier was someone shooting her in the head of contact range.
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Speaker 7: Was she convinced by someone to kill herself a possibility?
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Speaker 7: Do I think someone was standing there and pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 7: It's questionable.
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Speaker 2: So right there, right there. You know how I like
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Speaker 2: hard evidence.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about how she may be
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Speaker 1: convinced to commit suicide. I want to talk about the
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Speaker 1: possibility that she was shot by someone else. Okay, that
26:27
Speaker 1: she was convinced to purchase the gun, convinced to call
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Speaker 1: a nine one one, and then someone else pull the trigger.
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Speaker 2: Is it far fetched? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Is it because many, many people, right or wrong, believe
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Speaker 1: she didn't pull the trigger. So is there any hard evidence?
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Speaker 1: I know her body was in water, submerged in water,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kimmel Crown's. So if there had been gunshot residue
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Speaker 1: on her hand. We know that when you pull a trigger,
27:01
Speaker 1: a nearly invisible particulate emits from the gun as fine
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Speaker 1: as baby powder and gets on your hand, and it
27:09
Speaker 1: can go as far as three feet, well proven to
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Speaker 1: go as far as three feet.
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Speaker 2: All of that would have been destroyed in the water,
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Speaker 2: or would it.
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Speaker 7: I believe the gunshow resident would have been destroyed in
27:21
Speaker 7: the water itself. Yes, So by placing earned water you
27:25
Speaker 7: could potentially cover up some of the evidence.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. I know you are the medical examiner,
27:34
Speaker 1: you are the esteemed lecturer.
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Speaker 2: I know that, But.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true when medical examiners are trying to determine
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Speaker 1: manner of death? We know she died of gunshot wound.
27:47
Speaker 1: Manner of death? Was it an accident? Was it homicide?
27:51
Speaker 1: Was it suicide? You look at extrinsic evidence, evidence that
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Speaker 1: is not related to the body itself, such as the
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Speaker 1: nil one call, such as the video of her purchasing
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Speaker 1: the gun.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that true? That's correct.
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Speaker 7: You use all that information to help you determine the
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Speaker 7: manner of death.
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Speaker 1: So in this case, are you relying on extrinsic evidence
28:15
Speaker 1: or evidence obtained from her body when you say you
28:20
Speaker 1: believe it was a suicide.
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Speaker 7: So you would use both. You would use the evidence
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Speaker 7: obtained from the extrinsic evidence that she purchased the gun,
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Speaker 7: she made the nine to one one phone call. Then
28:30
Speaker 7: you would look at the evidence on the body, the
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Speaker 7: contact range, gunshot wound, the fact that there's no evidence
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Speaker 7: of restraint and no evidence that she was drugged or
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Speaker 7: anything of that nature. So you would use all those
28:42
Speaker 7: findings to make the determination of suicide.
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Speaker 1: In addition, to doctor Kendall Crown's renow medical examiner. As
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Speaker 1: you know, Anna Francis is joining us along with her lawyer,
28:53
Speaker 1: Regina ward Hon, the sister of Mica Miller.
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Speaker 2: Was a full autopsy done on your sister?
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Speaker 5: And if not, why it turns out there was not
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Speaker 5: a full autopsy done?
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Speaker 1: Regina war Did I hear that correctly? There was not
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Speaker 1: a full autopsy?
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Speaker 12: That's correct, But je to remember legally who had the
29:10
Speaker 12: authority to ask for one of those, and that would
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Speaker 12: have been her husband, Mister Miller.
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Speaker 13: John Paul Miller's ex wife, Alison Miller, filed for divorce
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Speaker 13: from John Paul Miller after finding out he was having
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Speaker 13: an affair with their babysitter and his best friend's wife, Micah.
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Speaker 13: Micah Miller was married to John Paul Miller's best friend,
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Speaker 13: Jeremy Deese, who Micah married when she was just eighteen.
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Speaker 1: What does John Paul Miller say? How can we analyze
29:38
Speaker 1: his behavior? Take a listen to him? This is from
29:42
Speaker 1: Celebration of Life.
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Speaker 8: I want to read one of the more recent boems
29:46
Speaker 8: she wrote.
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Speaker 2: And that's an nothing.
29:50
Speaker 8: She was so creative, she it was just always just
29:54
Speaker 8: coming out of her imagine being married to that.
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Speaker 2: It was like, is he actually crying or was he laughing?
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Speaker 2: That clip was from.
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Speaker 1: The official Solid Rock Ministries Facebook page.
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Speaker 2: I would take that down immediately, but.
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Speaker 1: That said, Anna Francis is with me Micah's sister. That
30:17
Speaker 1: has just got to make your skin crawl whenever you
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Speaker 1: watch that.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and he was laughing, by the way, that was
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Speaker 5: not a cry, that was a laugh. You were correct.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know Karen.
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Speaker 1: Start and joining me, a renowned psychologists, TV radio trauma expert. Karen,
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Speaker 1: how many times have you seen people try to cry
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Speaker 1: and there.
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Speaker 2: But nothing tears, There's not any even snot nothing.
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Speaker 14: Nancy, look at everything that he's saying. I have to
30:58
Speaker 14: agree with you. I mean, this is not crying. We
31:01
Speaker 14: all know that there's no tears coming out. And he's
31:05
Speaker 14: doing so much self comforting, touching his face, touching his eyes.
31:10
Speaker 14: He can't stop touching himself because he's so anxious. There
31:14
Speaker 14: is nothing about this person that's grieving over the loss
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Speaker 14: of his wife. And when we know the backstory, and
31:23
Speaker 14: it's a horrific backstory, how could he be talking about
31:27
Speaker 14: his loss her creativity, all the wonderful things she did,
31:31
Speaker 14: and how he is the only one, how narcissistic, is
31:34
Speaker 14: that he is the only one that really cared about her.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Regina Ward, Micah's sisters lawyer.
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Speaker 1: She's at attorney Regina war dot com. You were there,
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Speaker 1: you observe some.
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Speaker 2: Of the federal ray.
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Speaker 1: The FBI is forming your house, and I got to
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Speaker 1: tell you something. That's one thing I do not want
31:55
Speaker 1: to see the FBI pickante my trash in the backyard. No,
32:02
Speaker 1: that does not bode well. Now we know because Eric
32:06
Speaker 1: Davis reminded us. Eric Davis joining us PI and jump
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Speaker 1: in Eric, if you have a thought on this, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. We know that typically when a
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Speaker 1: search occurs that the affidavit of PC probable cause is attached.
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Speaker 1: What makes them want to enter the premises? What are
32:25
Speaker 1: they looking for? That's what's on the PC affidavit. It
32:30
Speaker 1: was in this case not attached. So what do you observe,
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Speaker 1: Regina during the raid?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nancy. I was there.
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Speaker 12: Once I learned that the FBI had arrived on the
32:42
Speaker 12: scene to execute that search warrant, I wanted to go,
32:45
Speaker 12: obviously myself there because I have an interest to obviously
32:49
Speaker 12: in this case all the way to the end, getting
32:51
Speaker 12: the law chained so that we can take you get
32:54
Speaker 12: people like mister Miller and handcuffs for the things that
32:58
Speaker 12: he's done. As far as the FBI conducting their their search,
33:04
Speaker 12: obviously they're bagging things, putting them in paper bags, they
33:08
Speaker 12: put them in boxes.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
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Speaker 12: They've covered most of the things that they brought out
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Speaker 12: of the house obviously for various reasons. You know, we
33:16
Speaker 12: do have this thing called the chain of custody with
33:18
Speaker 12: regard to evidence, and obviously anything that they removed from there,
33:22
Speaker 12: they're going to want to make sure that it was bagged,
33:24
Speaker 12: as they say, tagged appropriately, labeled appropriately because you know,
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Speaker 12: del defense attorneys can can challenge these things. Obviously, we
33:34
Speaker 12: want if and when the indictment does come to arrest
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Speaker 12: John Paul Miller, we want.
33:39
Speaker 2: That that uh to stick. We want we want home
33:43
Speaker 2: to be convicted.
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Speaker 12: And so it's very important that all the evidence be
33:47
Speaker 12: carefully handled.
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Speaker 2: Well what did you observe? What did you observe? That's
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Speaker 2: on the FBI. They're going to handle the evidence.
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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you if they're coming out with those
33:56
Speaker 1: brown paper bags, they've got everyone sealed to Yeah, secure
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Speaker 1: the chain of custody.
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Speaker 2: But what did you see?
34:03
Speaker 1: I know he was out of town when it went down.
34:05
Speaker 1: I'm sure they knew that before they went in. But
34:07
Speaker 1: how big were the bags? How many bags?
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Speaker 2: What did you hear? What did you observe?
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Speaker 12: Yes, during the time I was there, there were multiple
34:14
Speaker 12: sized bags and boxes what I would refer to as
34:18
Speaker 12: grocery bag, brown paper, grocery bag type things that came out.
34:22
Speaker 12: The one thing that I was excited to see that
34:25
Speaker 12: was not backed or covered was an all in one CPU,
34:29
Speaker 12: And so immediately my mind went to, yes, there's going
34:32
Speaker 12: to be some digital evidence there. We would hope anyway
34:36
Speaker 12: that could lead to the next step. And the most
34:39
Speaker 12: important next step here, of course, is getting that indictment.
34:42
Speaker 12: The search for in itself whenever they execute that, they're
34:45
Speaker 12: looking for additional.
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Speaker 2: Effort and indictment for what.
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Speaker 1: You can't indict someone for cheating on their wife. Why
34:52
Speaker 1: are they searching his home? Doesn't have anything to do
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Speaker 1: with this Listen.
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Speaker 11: Days before his home is rated by FBI agents, Pastor
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Speaker 11: John Paul Miller files core document. It's with the South
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Speaker 11: Carolina Secretary of State for a new religious incorporation that
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Speaker 11: he's calling Living Water Church at Market Common. The filing
35:07
Speaker 11: states the nonprofit corporation is for religious, educational, charitable, and
35:11
Speaker 11: literary purposes. The business address is listed as JP Miller's
35:14
Speaker 11: personal residence in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Miller also formally
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Speaker 11: changed the address of his church, Solid Rock Ministries to
35:21
Speaker 11: its current location. The business address for the church since
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Speaker 11: two thousand and six has been the same address for
35:26
Speaker 11: the home he shared with his first wife, Allison.
35:29
Speaker 1: The FBI raids the home of pastor John Paul Miller
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Speaker 1: months after his wife, Micah's death was ruled a suicide.
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Speaker 2: Why why now? What are they seeking to prove?
35:44
Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to Eric Davis, private investigator,
35:48
Speaker 1: what based on what we know is the purpose of
35:53
Speaker 1: this raid?
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Speaker 2: What are they looking for? Eric?
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Speaker 6: Well, as you know, the sometimes defense come out in
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Speaker 6: when local law enforcement fails to take action or is
36:03
Speaker 6: unable to take action. So what if I'm the case agent,
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Speaker 6: given this history of John Paul, I'm looking for fingerprints
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Speaker 6: being taken. They're not taking fingerprints to find Mike's fingerprints.
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Speaker 6: They know she lived there. They're looking for fingerprints as
36:18
Speaker 6: someone else. There's a myriad of reasons they could be looking.
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Speaker 6: But it could be white collar stuff, which would the
36:26
Speaker 6: computers would have a lot of evidence of its financial transactions,
36:30
Speaker 6: So it could be a number of things based on
36:32
Speaker 6: his history.
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Speaker 2: You now what, Eric Davis, You're so right.
36:35
Speaker 1: The fact that you and Regina, Regina observed it and
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Speaker 1: you're analyzing it, that digital evidence is clearly something they're
36:44
Speaker 1: looking at, seizing devices such as computers, laptops and so forth.
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Speaker 1: Could it have anything to do with John Paul Miller
36:54
Speaker 1: filing with the Secretary of State for a new religious
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Speaker 1: incorporation he is calling Living Water Church at Market Common.
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Speaker 2: Is it about that?
37:06
Speaker 1: Is it about, as you said, allegations of underage sex?
37:12
Speaker 1: Why would the FBI be doing that? Well, think, think, think, think,
37:15
Speaker 1: use that noodle. Remember Jared Fogel, the subway pitch man.
37:20
Speaker 1: He was taking miners across state lines. Enter the FEDS
37:26
Speaker 1: for sex with miners translation statutory rape. So if the
37:32
Speaker 1: Feds want in, they will find a way in. And
37:37
Speaker 1: I've just got to ask you. Anna Francis is with me,
37:40
Speaker 1: Micah's sister. Everyone is talking about his affairs, his sex
37:46
Speaker 1: misconduct dating back for early decades allegedly, but that is
37:51
Speaker 1: not the grounds cannot be the grounds for a criminal proceeding.
37:59
Speaker 1: What does feel like to have your sister gone and
38:04
Speaker 1: to feel he is somehow responsible even though legally he.
38:08
Speaker 2: May not be, and nobody does anything.
38:12
Speaker 1: No one ever followed up with him slashing her tires
38:15
Speaker 1: and apologizing, posting her half nude without her knowledge on
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Speaker 1: some freaky website, putting a GPS monitor on her phone.
38:26
Speaker 1: All of those are actual crimes and nothing was ever done.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a very heavy and loaded question for sure.
38:35
Speaker 5: Our family just stays hopeful through this process that justice
38:41
Speaker 5: will come for her. Nothing can ever be enough for
38:45
Speaker 5: what she actually endured, but we hope that accountability will happen.
38:52
Speaker 5: It's definitely necessary for her for many other people that
38:57
Speaker 5: endured what he had put them through. We're really trying
39:02
Speaker 5: to focus on who Micah was as a person to
39:06
Speaker 5: get through this. As a family, We're focusing on what
39:11
Speaker 5: she was going to do with her life. The last
39:14
Speaker 5: few months that she was still with us, she was
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Speaker 5: organizing her new charity, Waymakers. She called it Waymakers because
39:21
Speaker 5: God always makes a way, you know, through her trials
39:25
Speaker 5: and through everything that terrible that was happening to her,
39:29
Speaker 5: She always said God will make away, and we are
39:33
Speaker 5: trying to be her hands in her feet by carrying
39:36
Speaker 5: through her charity doing events. We actually have one coming
39:40
Speaker 5: up November sixteenth and Market Commons. We're going to have
39:44
Speaker 5: Micu's first Mike's charity event. We're calling it Mike's Benefit
39:48
Speaker 5: Concert actually because she was a singer and this is
39:52
Speaker 5: something that she was going to do, and we're going
39:55
Speaker 5: to carry out everything that she was planning on doing,
39:58
Speaker 5: and this is how we can have justice for Micah
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Speaker 5: is still be her voice in her hands on her feet.
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Speaker 1: Remember, John Paul Miller is innocent in the eyes of
40:08
Speaker 1: Lady Justice until he is proven beyond a reasonable doubt
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Speaker 1: of criminal wrongdoing. Right now, he stands just as innocent.
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Speaker 2: As me or you. If you know or.
40:21
Speaker 1: Think you know anything about alleged misdoing, please contact Justice
40:29
Speaker 1: for Micah Tips Micah m I c A Justice for
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Speaker 1: Micah Tips at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips
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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips at gmail
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Speaker 1: dot com. I guarantee you Attorney Regena Ward will get
40:53
Speaker 1: any permanent information to the FBI. Thank you to our guests,
40:58
Speaker 1: especially Anna Francis, Micah's sister, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,