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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome to the reading of Today's Washington Post for Thursday,
- 0:05March the twenty seventh of twenty twenty five. Your reader
- 0:10is Alice Stainer, with the reminder that RADIOI is a
- 0:13program for those blind with other difficulties making it hard
- 0:18to hold or read printed material.
- 0:23Speaker 2: So I will start.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Off with the front page articles oversight and names and authors.
- 0:32To the very left of the front page, Maryland's lax
- 0:38oversight had a hand in disaster. Six deaths may have
- 0:44been preventable. Records tied to bridge collapse show by Katie
- 0:49Mettler and Tail Armas. To the right of that is
- 0:55an wonderful picture with blue blue waters and georgeous cherry
- 1:00blossoms entitled peak Joy and there is a Gentleman. Both
- 1:07gentlemen and the woman in white are embracing, and it's
- 1:11Ton Lee embraces his fiance heen Fom on Wednesday along
- 1:17the title basin beneath some of Washington's spained cherry blossoms,
- 1:23which are racing toward peak bloom this week. The cherry
- 1:28blossoms are gorgeous, different shades of white and pink against
- 1:34the blue of the title basin and the white of
- 1:37the couple. It's a very impelling picture. To the right
- 1:43of that, and on the far right of the front page,
- 1:46Trump imposes twenty five percent fee on autos. Tariffs could
- 1:51add ten million dollars to the price of or ten
- 1:56thousand dollars to the price of a car Whitehe says
- 2:01goal is to bring factories to the US. That is
- 2:04by David Lynch. Beneath the picture of the couple is
- 2:10an article On the left Leak affirms Vance's role as
- 2:15foreign intervention and skeptic by Natalie Allison and Michael Bernbaum.
- 2:22And to the right of that, still beneath the picture,
- 2:25Atlantic publishes transcript of Trump's team signal chat by Alex Horton,
- 2:33Missy Ryan, and Matt Bisner. And at the very bottom
- 2:40left justices uphold Biden era regulations on ghost guns by
- 2:48Justin Juvenal. There's a picture of a fierce fire season
- 2:54in Flat Rock, North Carona, with a group of firefighters
- 2:59over seeing controlled burn last week, timber from Hurricane Helene
- 3:06could provide a decade of fuel for Blaze's foresters say,
- 3:10so this is a controlled burn to get rid of
- 3:13debris that would cause fires down the road. And the
- 3:18final on the very right hand side of the page
- 3:21below Trump's twenty five percent auto tariff. With policy shifts,
- 3:28Trump is furthering Putin's goals, so our first article, Trump
- 3:35escalates global trade wall with new twenty five percent automobile tariffs.
- 3:41The President's plan will probably drive car prices up. The
- 3:46White House says the goal is to bring car manufacturing
- 3:49back to the United States. And there is a picture
- 3:54of President Trump pointing as he greets guests at the
- 3:57White House event. At a White House event last week,
- 4:01he announced new twenty five percent tariffs on imported cars
- 4:06and auto parts on Wednesday. It is by David Lynch,
- 4:12and you see him in front of the gold draperies
- 4:16behind many, many, many many flags, and there are a
- 4:21couple of children in front of that flag. He is
- 4:25in the forefront in his standard blue suit with his
- 4:28red tie, and to his right is one of the
- 4:32guards at.
- 4:33Speaker 2: The White House.
- 4:35Speaker 1: President Donald Trump on Wednesday announced plans to impose a
- 4:39twenty five percent tariff on imported automobiles and auto parts,
- 4:45gambling that consumers will accept higher prices on cars today
- 4:50in return for the promise of regaining lost manufacturing jobs
- 4:53in the future. Speaking in the Oval Office. The President
- 4:58said he was acting to encourage the return of auto
- 5:01manufacturing in the United States, predicting tremendous growth in the
- 5:06industry and enormous new tax revenue for the US Treasury.
- 5:11Trump told reporters will effectively be charging a twenty five
- 5:16percent tariff, but if you build your car in the
- 5:19United States.
- 5:20Speaker 2: There is no tariff.
- 5:22Speaker 1: Vehicles that meet the duty free requirements of the United
- 5:25States Mexico Canada trade agreement will be taxed only on
- 5:30the non US portion of their components. The White House
- 5:33said the government will begin collecting the new import taxes
- 5:38at twelve oh one am on April third. The White
- 5:43House later told reporters that the tariff would be added
- 5:46to an existing two point five percent levee, making the
- 5:50total charge twenty seven point five percent, and was aimed
- 5:55at addressing a critical threat to nationalsecurity. Trump's statement was
- 6:03the latest and the fusillade of trade pronouncement since his
- 6:06indulguration for a second term two months ago. Since re
- 6:12entering the White House, the President has ratcheted up import
- 6:16taxes on foreign steel and aluminum, as well as goods
- 6:20from China, Canada, and Mexico. On Tuesday, he is scheduled
- 6:27to announce US sweeping reciprocal tariff designed to raise US
- 6:32import taxes to match those levied by other nations on
- 6:36American products, perhaps his most decisive break yet with decades
- 6:40of trade orthodoxy. Seeking to allay financial market concerns, the
- 6:47President said Wednesday that people would be very surprised at
- 6:51how lenient tariffs will be. We're trying to keep it
- 6:56somewhat conservative, he said. Trump's des decision to raise taxes
- 7:01on imported vehicles represents a direct challenge to an industry
- 7:06that has never been more dependent upon cross border commerce.
- 7:10Imports of automobiles, parts, and engines last year totaled a
- 7:15record four hundred and seventy four point three billion dollars,
- 7:20according to the Census Bureau. Vehicles sold in the United
- 7:24States with name planes from Ford gm Oustillantes emerged from
- 7:31supply chains that snake back and forth across US borders
- 7:34with Mexico and Canada and draw on parts and components
- 7:38from Europe and Asia. But the white ease had Americans
- 7:42dependence upon other countries for roughly half of the sixteen
- 7:45million vehicles purchased last year, left a withered domestic industry.
- 7:52Trump invoked his Section two three two national security powers
- 7:58under a nineteen sixty two Tree Fade law to impose
- 8:01the tariffs. Our auto industry was a critical pillar of
- 8:07American arsenal of democracy that helped win World War Two,
- 8:13said Pete Navarro, the White House Senior Counselor for Trade
- 8:17and Manufacturing. And importantly, we were a manufacturing nation then,
- 8:24where we were manafactured as opposed to simply assembled cars,
- 8:30where we manufactured as opposed to simply assembled cars from
- 8:35foreign parts. And what has happened is the foreign trade
- 8:38cheaters have turned America into a lower rage assembly operation
- 8:44of foreign parts that threatens our national security. Trump's tariff
- 8:51plan drew applause from Shawn Fain, president of the United Autoworkers,
- 8:56who said it was a major step in the right
- 8:59direction for auto workers and blue collar communities. But many
- 9:04business groups attack the tariffs, with the National Foreign Trade
- 9:09Council representing multinational corporations saying they would do irreparable harm
- 9:15to the auto industry. The new auto tariffs show that
- 9:19the president is prepared to run greater political risks than
- 9:24during his first term. Trade defensive with the average price
- 9:28of a new car nearing fifty thousand dollars, Trump's tariffs
- 9:32could add more than ten thousand dollars to one of
- 9:34the most expensive purchases many American households make. The industry
- 9:41groups have said those higher cost could sting consumers still
- 9:46sensitive to inflation after punishing price hikes of the post
- 9:53pandemic economy. This will be another important example of consumer
- 9:59facing products getting hit, said economist Chad Brown of the
- 10:04Peterson Institute for International Economies. The President described Wednesday's announcement
- 10:11as very modest, but his insistence that automakers pull their
- 10:16supply lines back within the United States would be major
- 10:19disruption for an industry that employees more than three median
- 10:23Americans in factories, dealerships, and warehouses across the country. On
- 10:29Wall Street, shares of General Motors and Stallantes fell more
- 10:33than three percent, while Ford was almost unchanged. Trump had
- 10:38given automakers a brief for pree earlier this month, exempting
- 10:42most of the output of their Mexican and Canadian facilities
- 10:46from tariffs he imposed on other products from the US neighbors.
- 10:51After please from the chief executives of the big three
- 10:54car companies, the President expected the companies to begin relocating
- 11:00their production operations during the one month respite. White House
- 11:04Press Secretary Caroline Levitt said at the time, Levitt told
- 11:09reporters he told them they should get on it, start investing,
- 11:14start moving shift production here to the United States of America. Well,
- 11:18they will face no tariff. That is the ultimate goal,
- 11:22Levitt total reporters that won't be easy. For decades, presidents
- 11:31of both parties have encouraged manufacturers to establish supply chains
- 11:36based on deficiency and low cost. Changing those production networks
- 11:41will take years, cost millions of dollars, and may achieve
- 11:44the president's goals only by sacrificing other objectives. You've already
- 11:50got the best priced, quality, and delivery mare. You're telling
- 11:54them to do something different, and it'll be worse, said
- 11:57William runch, a trade specials with the Center for Strategic
- 12:01and International Studies in Washington. You may get cars that
- 12:05are not as good as the ones you're getting now.
- 12:09Job games from reshored manufacturing may disappoint. Thanks to rapidly
- 12:14changing technology, autoparts factories are far more productive today than
- 12:19they were during the outsourcing heyday of the nineteen nineties,
- 12:23meaning any new factories will need fewer workers than they
- 12:26did in the past, and sticker shock may be coming
- 12:30to local new car lots. The tariffs imposed today will
- 12:35make it more expensive to produce and sell cars in
- 12:38the United States, ultimately leading to higher prices, fewer options
- 12:43for consumers, and fewer manufacturing jobs in the United States,
- 12:48said Jennifer Safin Stafavian president and CEO autos Drive America,
- 12:56which represents the US operations of foreign carmakers. Trump also
- 13:02said Wensday that he would consider lowering the tariffs in
- 13:05the United States charges for Chinese imports if the Chinese
- 13:10government agrees to help sell the video sharing platform TikTok
- 13:14to a US owner. The auto industry has long been
- 13:18a preoccupation for the president. In twenty eighteen, he threatened
- 13:23tariffs on European cars if the European Union did not
- 13:26lower its barriers to imported vehicles from the United States.
- 13:31At the time, German officials grew frustrated trying to explain
- 13:35to the President that European consumers had little appetite for
- 13:40Detroit's big pickup trucks in sport utility he vehicles, which
- 13:44were a poor fit for the continent's narrow streets. The
- 13:49EU imposes a ten percent tax on American cars, while
- 13:53the US tariffs on vehicles from Europe is just two
- 13:56point five percent. Under pressure from Trump in recent weeks,
- 14:01European officials have suggested the block could lower its levee
- 14:05to match the US figure. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Karney
- 14:11and veiled a proposal to strengthen Canada's auto sector with
- 14:15the two billion dollar Strategic Response Fund. Carney, who is
- 14:22leading Canada's Liberal Party in elections next month, called for
- 14:27developing an all in Canada network for auto parts manufacturing
- 14:33to build more car parts in Canada, limit cross border
- 14:38movements of parts during production, and detract investment. Mexico is
- 14:44the seventh largest producer of motor vehicles in the world,
- 14:48with nearly four million a year rolling off its assembly
- 14:52lines for manufacturers such as General Motors, Ford, Stalantis, and Volkswagen.
- 15:00Its industry is heavily export oriented, and nearly eighty percent
- 15:04of Mexican auto exports went to the United States in
- 15:07twenty twenty four, according to Mexico's Government of Statistics Agency.
- 15:13The industry is vital to Mexico's economy and accounts for
- 15:18four point seven percent of gross domestic product and nearly
- 15:22twenty two percent of manufacturing GDP. According to trade groups,
- 15:27it generates more than two million jobs in Mexico a year.
- 15:32Much of Mexico's trade deficit with the United States comes
- 15:36from sales of passenger vehicles and parts. The next article, JD.
- 15:43Vance in Signal Chat cements his role as skeptic of
- 15:48foreign intervention. Foreign policymakers worry that the Vice president embodies
- 15:54a potentially permanent shift in the United States approach to
- 15:58European ally. And there's a picture of Vice President Vance
- 16:04walking to a meeting at the Capitol on March eleventh.
- 16:08The Vice President has repeatedly argued that European nations have
- 16:12been coasting on US defense spending. You see him in
- 16:17between a gentleman looking back to him, a Capitol policeman,
- 16:22and he is on the sort of left side, and
- 16:25on the right side are two other members of Congress,
- 16:28and behind them, I suppose another member of Congress, and
- 16:33then they're on steps somewhere within the Capital. The articles
- 16:40by Natalie Allison and Michael Birnbaum and a chain of
- 16:46private messages among President Donald Trump's top national security officials.
- 16:52Vice President JD. Vance appeared even behind the scenes to
- 16:57be serving as one of the administration's most consistent skeptics
- 17:01of foreign intervention, a key component of Trump's America First platform.
- 17:08The dynamic has been on display in rankers encounters in Europe,
- 17:12in an angry Oval office meeting with Ukraine's leader, in
- 17:16blistering assessments of US allies during Vance's public appearances, and
- 17:21now inside a private group chat that plans to bomb
- 17:25Yemen's Huti militants. All of it has international polym policymakers
- 17:31scrambling to adjust their strategies. Diplomats, ministers, and other senior
- 17:37officials abroad ozeroing in on Vance as one of their
- 17:41biggest challenges as they confront how to handle Trump's second term.
- 17:46They say Vance appears to be the most committed in
- 17:49Trump's inner circle to scaling back international commitments. The ideological
- 17:56viewpoints contrast with what these leaders say is Trump's more
- 18:00transactional nature. The president, they felt could be swayed with flattery,
- 18:06US investments and other deals that he could present as
- 18:09the easy victories may its is a trickier counterpart and
- 18:14more skeptical of them. In ways they can do little
- 18:17to address. Mindful that the vice president could be Trump's
- 18:22successor in twenty twenty nine, some officials say Vance's policies
- 18:28could be emblematic of a deeper and more permanent shift
- 18:31in how the United States operates in the world, one
- 18:35that extends even beyond the massive disruption that Trump has
- 18:39already created.
- 18:42Speaker 2: There is a battle.
- 18:43Speaker 1: Going on within the party of a foreign policy and
- 18:46there was a little window in that signal Chat said
- 18:51Kelly Bokhara, follows a senior adviser at the Quincy Institute
- 18:56for Responsible Statecraft, a group that advocates a more restrained
- 19:01role for US military engagement in the world and has
- 19:05host advanced for foreign policy discussions. I was heartened to
- 19:10see that ged Advance was at least providing some rag teaming,
- 19:14some pushback on what seemed to be another unauthorized military
- 19:18action against another country, Wallows said in the text thread
- 19:24with Trump's top national security vivisors on the encrypted chat
- 19:30app app signal, which was first published by the Atlantic.
- 19:35They had stood at among a raft of senior administration
- 19:39officials by raising a red flag of concern about the
- 19:42planned attacked on the huties which began to unfold March fifteenth,
- 19:49Dvance told the group he would be out of town
- 19:51for most of the day, visiting a manufacturing facility in Michigan,
- 19:56a trip intended to highlight his and trump Stated commitment
- 20:01to bringing jobs back to the United States. But I
- 20:06think we are making a mistake, Vance said to the
- 20:10group about the bombing. According to the text messages obtained
- 20:14by The Atlantic, Vance went on to explain that the
- 20:18hooties were interfering much more with Europe's trade in the
- 20:22Suez Canal than with that of the US, and it
- 20:25would be hard to explain to the public why it
- 20:28was necessary for the US to get involved. People close
- 20:33to Vance have noted that the Vice President, apparently unaware
- 20:37that a journalist was on the thread, committed in the
- 20:41group text to keep private his reservations about the operation,
- 20:45and said he would support the plan if to Sence
- 20:48Secretary Pete Hegseth and other officials involved believed they should
- 20:53move forward. That didn't stop him from raising concerns with
- 20:58the others on the chain about whose need to benefit
- 21:01the most from the operation, if Trump's foreign policy would
- 21:05come across as inconsistent, and if US officialists were acting
- 21:09too quickly. Vance was open to a strike on the
- 21:15Hutis despite being skeptical of taking action immediately, and was
- 21:21not suggesting that conducting one should be off limits altogether.
- 21:27According to a person of knowledge of his position, who,
- 21:31like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition
- 21:35of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly
- 21:39on the matter, had Vance been adamantly opposed to taking action,
- 21:43he would have been more insistent, the person said. And
- 21:47when Hegsath sent text messages shortly before the bombings outlined
- 21:51the specifics of the plans that tax timeline, Vance replied
- 21:56with the message of support. I will say a prayer
- 22:00for victory, the Catholic convert wrote, But the Vice President
- 22:06made clear in his messages that he saw downsides worth
- 22:10considering chiefly that Europeans stood to benefit more from the action.
- 22:16Speaker 2: I just hate.
- 22:17Speaker 1: Bailing Europe and again, Vance wrote. That message came weeks
- 22:23after the Vice President delivered a blistering rebuke of European
- 22:28officials at the Unique Security Conference in February. This speech
- 22:33astonished many of Europe's centrist leaders, especially Germans, who saw
- 22:39it as an effort to boost the right wing alternative
- 22:42for Germany days ahead of national elections. Like Vance, the
- 22:47party is deeply skeptical of migration. Some of its supporters
- 22:51have also embraced the extremist label and revelent acts such
- 22:57as the stiff arm Nazi salute, which banned in Germany.
- 23:03You cannot win a democratic mandate by centering your opponents
- 23:07for putting them in jail, Vance told the crowd of
- 23:11europe security elite. Frederick Mertz, the center right politician who
- 23:17days later led his Christian Democrats to election victory, has
- 23:21reacted by saying that Germany can't continue to depend on
- 23:25the US nuclear umbrella, upending generations of national policy that
- 23:30viewed close Transatlantic relations as core to the country's security
- 23:36and identity. Later that month, Vance instigated a public argument
- 23:42in the Oval Office with Ukrainian President Volodomia Zelensky that
- 23:47ended with administration officials ejecting the Ukrainian from the White House.
- 23:53Who should be thanking the president for trying to bring
- 23:56an end to this conflict, Vance told zelen sparking the
- 24:01fierce exchange. And there is a picture of Ukrainian President
- 24:07Volodim Zlensky with his arms crossed, sitting on the edge
- 24:10of the chair, sitting next to the president looking downwards,
- 24:15sitting on the edge of his chairs with his hands
- 24:18folded in front of him in his usual sort of
- 24:20v position, and the secretary or Vice President Vance sitting
- 24:26on the sofa to their right with his arm pointing
- 24:30at Zolensky, with his fingers pointing to Zelensky. The Trump
- 24:35administration in particular, Vance has argued repeatedly about how European
- 24:40nations have been coasting on US defense spending. People with
- 24:44knowledge of Vance's mindset have noted that his comments in
- 24:48the text thread echoed those same concerns. Beyond this tough
- 24:53on Europe stance, Vance has raised other concerns about the
- 24:57downstream effects of such an attack. Oil prices could see
- 25:01a moderate to severe spike, he wrote in the signal exchange.
- 25:07Vance allies suggested that his frank remarks reflected his desire
- 25:12not only to prompt a conversation about ideological consistency for
- 25:17consistency stake, but also to look out for Trump's public image. Trump,
- 25:23according to multiple officials and the text threat, including Headsath,
- 25:28had already given the green light for the mission. I'm
- 25:32not sure the President is aware how inconsistent this is
- 25:36with his message on Europe right now, Vance wrote, in
- 25:40a rare deviation from Trump's position since taking office, they're
- 25:45doing so in private. Others downplayed scrutiny of Trump's Advances
- 25:51comments by noting that he made the same arguments in
- 25:54private that he's already made in public. Vance wanted to
- 25:59ensure that Trump had been given all the facts about
- 26:01the potential attack, including that European nations stood to benefit
- 26:07more from it than the US, said the second person
- 26:10with knowledge of his intentions. Vance was seeking input from
- 26:14his colleagues, the person said about whether they also shared
- 26:18concerns over how well briefed Trump had been, but he
- 26:22ultimately trusted the rest of the group's consensus. The person added.
- 26:27Trump has backed Vance's skeptical approach to Europe in the
- 26:30days since the conversation was published. Trump believes that Europe
- 26:35has been, as the Vice President put it, freeloading on
- 26:39the backs of American taxpayers and off the backs of
- 26:41the United States of America, and he wants to ensure
- 26:46that Europe pays their fair share. The White House Press
- 26:51Secretary Caroline Levitt said Wednesday, let me put Trump believes
- 27:00that Europe has been, as the Vice president put it,
- 27:02freeloading on the backs of American taxpayers and off the
- 27:06backs of the United States of America, and that he
- 27:09wants to ensure that Europe pays their fair share. That
- 27:13is a quote from Press Secretary at Caroline Levitt Wednesday.
- 27:18Trump's focus on trade imbalances has many US allies led
- 27:23many US allies to settle on a formula they hoped
- 27:26would curry his favor major purchases of US made weaponry
- 27:32that would boost US jobs while bolstering their defenses at
- 27:35the same time. The approach was successful during Trump's first term,
- 27:40in part because many of the president's foreign policy advisors
- 27:44came from traditional Republican backgrounds and were not adverse to
- 27:48a robust US military presence around the globe. Mike Pence,
- 27:55Trump's first term vice president, fit that bill with the
- 27:59two wo men are no longer on speaking terms. Pince's
- 28:04nonprofit advocacy group Advancing American Freedom issued a policy paper
- 28:10Tuesday congratulating Trump on the military action in Yemen. The
- 28:14isolationists are wrong, the paper read, Vance is now at
- 28:19the forefront of Republican leaders who view US power differently. Many,
- 28:25like Vance, are weary of anything that could drag Washington
- 28:28into foreign entanglements, even if US jobs could result from
- 28:32European orders of US weaponry. Vance has been happy to
- 28:37serve the role of provocateur, including this week when he
- 28:40plans a visit to you a US military base in Greenland,
- 28:45an autonomous territory of Denmark that Trump has said he
- 28:49wants to take over. Danish and Greenlandic leaders were riled
- 28:53by the original plan for Second Lady Yusha Vance to
- 28:58come uninvited to the terran to watch a dog sled
- 29:01race in Greenland's capital, but they now say they are
- 29:06comfortable with a trip that is confined to the base.
- 29:10A third person familiar with Vance's role in the internal
- 29:14conversation said that similar to the signal chat, the Vice
- 29:19President frequently takes the role of sharp skeptic of decades
- 29:23of US policy toward Europe. Three years into the war
- 29:27in Ukraine, for instance, Vance has regularly questioned the US
- 29:31interest in continuing to ship arms to Kiev, especially when
- 29:35major economies such as Germany have continued to be slow
- 29:38to increase defense spending, invest in their military industries and
- 29:43display as much urgency to help Kiev, as he says
- 29:47Washington has. We have to accept that there are trade offs.
- 29:54Vance said last year before he was picked by Trump
- 29:57to be the vice president, saying that he believed that
- 30:00US industrial might be needed to focus on competition with China.
- 30:08America cannot manufacture enough weapons to support four different wars
- 30:12in four different areas of the world.
- 30:15Speaker 2: We just can't do it.
- 30:18Speaker 1: Trump allies say his advances. Allies say his approach is
- 30:22indicative of a generational shift in US policy and that
- 30:26his views are on the upswing. You see younger people
- 30:34under the age of fifty five jin X and younger
- 30:38who are like, you know what, Those wars sucked.
- 30:42Speaker 2: We were sold a bill of goods.
- 30:44Speaker 1: We aren't the world's policeman anymore, and we can't be,
- 30:48Voho said.
- 30:49Speaker 2: And I think he reflects a lot of that.
- 30:54Speaker 1: The next article is entitled Atlantic publishes transcript of Trump
- 31:00teams signal chat. The episode has infuriated Democrats, who have
- 31:06demanded resignations and forced the White House to defend most
- 31:10of the administration's top national security figures. The article is
- 31:16by Alex Horton, Missy Ryan, and Matt Weiser. And there
- 31:21are three individual pictures of Vice President Dave D. Vance
- 31:26in his blue suit with a red tie and the
- 31:29American flag on his lapel, next to Secretary Defense Secretary
- 31:36Pete Hegseth, who is in a blue suit with a
- 31:39striped red, white and blue tie and a light blue
- 31:43shirt with I don't know what that pin is on
- 31:47his lapel, and the white National Security Advisor Michael Walls,
- 31:53who is in a dark blue suit with a maroon
- 31:56tie and white T shirt a white a white shirt
- 32:01with a flag and crossed arrows. The Atlantic on Windsdy
- 32:09published a transcript of top Trump administration officials group chat
- 32:14discussing an eminent US attack on HUTI militants and Yemen,
- 32:20revealing a full accounting of the sensitive information they exchanged
- 32:24while the magazine's editor, Jeffrey Goldberg observed their conversation as
- 32:30it occurred over an unclassified, commercially available messaging system or
- 32:36messaging platform. The newly disclosed material adds to a mounting
- 32:42controversy about the decision by the nation's most senior national
- 32:47security officials, including President Donald Trump's National Security adviser, his
- 32:54secretaries of Defense and State, the Director of National Intelligence,
- 33:00the CIA director and Vice President J. D. Vance to
- 33:05discuss sensitive military planning using the messaging app Signal, which
- 33:10is encrypted but not permitted by government rules for discussions
- 33:14of classified information. Further ruling the debate is their total
- 33:19lack of awareness that the group accidentally included a journalist.
- 33:24Former officials and lawmakers said the negligent tradecraft almost certainly
- 33:30violated the government's strict rules by handling of classified information,
- 33:35and may have risked exposing operational plans to adversaries as
- 33:40American pilots prepared to take off. The episode has infuriated Democrats,
- 33:46who have demanded the resignations a Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth
- 33:51and White House National Security Advisor Michael Waltz. While leaving
- 33:56the White House and in the uncomfortable position of having
- 34:00to justify what many former officials and experts have said
- 34:04is a stunning lapse in judgment by nearly all of
- 34:08Trump's leading national security figures. While most Republicans have refrained
- 34:14from questioning the administration over the matter, Senate Armed Services
- 34:19Committee Chairman Roger Wicker, Republican of Mississippi, told reporters Wednesday
- 34:24that he and the group's top Democrat Senator Jack Reid
- 34:29of Rhode Island have agreed to seek an expedited report
- 34:33from the Defense Department. Inspector General Nicka said, by his estimation,
- 34:41the information as published recently appears to me to be
- 34:45of such a sensitive nature that, based on my knowledge,
- 34:49I would have wanted it classified. The Administration meanwhile intensified
- 34:56its effort to discredit the Atlantics, reporting denying in a
- 35:00fuselage of social media posts that anti classified material have
- 35:05been shared in the Signal chat and attempting to draw
- 35:09distinction between the war plans the Goldberg's initial articles cited
- 35:15and the operational information that hegset disclosed to the group
- 35:20several hours before the first bombs fell. The newly released
- 35:25material includes a message simp at hegseet at eleven forty
- 35:29four a m Eastern time on March fifth, the day
- 35:33of the Yemen operation, confirming the timeline of the plan
- 35:38strikes scheduled to commence roughly two hours later. Hegseeth also
- 35:43disclosed the type of aircraft involved, manned AT eighteen jets
- 35:48and MQ nine Reaper drones, along with commander's intent to
- 35:54employ see based Timahawk missiles and the fact that one
- 35:58high provo while target was at his known location. The
- 36:05president's defenders have acknowledged that Goldberg was inadvertently included in
- 36:10the chat, while seeking to downplay the significance of what
- 36:14was shared there. Hag Seth has denied it contained classified information,
- 36:20telling reporters during a trip to the Pacific region that
- 36:23his role was to provide general updates in real time.
- 36:29What he and others wrote had no units, no locations,
- 36:34no routes, no flight paths, no sources, no methods, no
- 36:38classified information, he said. But veteran national security professionals said
- 36:45such advanced information, regardless of how it was described, would
- 36:50almost certainly be considered classified, meaning it should not have
- 36:56been communicated on a commercial platform. This information was clearly
- 37:01taken from the real time order of battle sequence of
- 37:05an ongoing operation. It is highly classified and protected.
- 37:11Speaker 2: Oh let me read that again.
- 37:13Speaker 1: This information was clearly taken from the real time order
- 37:18of battle sequence of an ongoing operation. It is highly
- 37:22classified and protected, said Mick mulroy, a former CIA paramilitary officer,
- 37:31a Marine called veteran who served as a senior Pentagon
- 37:34official during Trump's first term. Next to nuclear and covert operations.
- 37:42This information is the most protected. Trump, in remarks in
- 37:48the Oval Office, said Woltz Truck responsibility for the situation
- 37:53and dismissed scrutiny of the issue as to abate Hegseth's throw,
- 37:58Trump said, the secretary is doing a great job. How
- 38:04do you bring it, said Seth into it? Trump asked, look, look,
- 38:09it's all a witch hunt. Trump indicated he is open
- 38:14to an inspected general review of the issue, like others
- 38:18in the administration. He pivoted to discussing the operations, which
- 38:22officials have described as part of a tougher dance against Iran,
- 38:27saying the Iranian fact group is getting their.
- 38:30Speaker 2: Hell knocked out of them.
- 38:34Speaker 1: Astiks have continued against the Hutis, who function as the
- 38:37de facto government across much of human since the March
- 38:41fifteenth attacks. Heag, Seth, Vans, and other officials in their
- 38:46broadsides against The Atlantic this week have focused the magazine's
- 38:50description of what was shared in the chap As war plans.
- 38:56Anna would characterize this message threat as a policyscussion, a
- 39:01sensitive pologists discussion surely amongst high level cabinet officials and
- 39:06senior staff. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt told reporters.
- 39:12Current and former officials have said that a military jargon,
- 39:16the term war plan typically refers to an operational or
- 39:21old planned, usually a national high level blueprint developed in
- 39:27advance of different scenarios, addressing a host of different dimensions
- 39:33for a battlefield effort, which does not typically include information
- 39:37such as strike timing or aircraft choice. The information shared
- 39:42by Hegseth outlining specific strike procedures late eight details at
- 39:48a more granular level, but either type of plan, officials cautioned,
- 39:54would be sensitive and highly classified. Moulroy said, one we
- 40:00can actually make the argument that the attack plans are
- 40:03more sensitive because they are more detailed and specific on time, place,
- 40:08and Mamma Goldberg, speaking to MSNBC, said Levitt appeared to
- 40:14be playing at some sort of weird semantic game. This
- 40:21operational details about a forthcoming attack on an enemy that
- 40:27has anti aircraft capabilities. They were leegedly shot down airn
- 40:31drones before. If that's not secret classified information, or is
- 40:37the most sensitive kind of government information in the world,
- 40:40I don't know what it is, Molroy said. According to
- 40:46US Central Command, in the period from mid January until
- 40:50the March fifteenth attacks, the huties fired a service to
- 40:54air missile at a pilated American F sixteen fighter jet
- 40:58and also shot at two REP drones, taking one down.
- 41:02Anna Bross, the Atlantic Senior Vice president from Communications, said
- 41:07the White House continues to attempt to mislead and confuse
- 41:13the public. The fact is that there was a massive
- 41:17national security breach, she said in a statement.
- 41:23Speaker 2: And there is a.
- 41:24Speaker 1: Picture of an people standing in front of fighter jets
- 41:30on an aircraft carry out. And this is an image
- 41:33taken from a hand video provided by the US Navy
- 41:37showing an aircraft launching from the USS Harry Truman in
- 41:42the Red Sea before s strikes on March fifteenth. The
- 41:48transcript published by the Atlantic on Wednesday includes the message
- 41:52SIPA Hegseth confirming the precise timeline of planned strikes. Hegseeth wrote,
- 42:00and I'm quoting this team update time now eleven forty
- 42:06four ET whether it's favorable, just confirmed with consent scentcom
- 42:14or set come. We are a go for Mission launch
- 42:20twelve fifteen ET F fifteen's launch First Strike Package thirteen
- 42:29forty five trigger based F eight teen first Strike windows
- 42:34starts target terrorist is at his known location, so should
- 42:39be on time. That should be on time in caps. Also,
- 42:44strike drones launch in Q nine's fourteen ten more F
- 42:50eighteen's launch and Strike second strike passage fourteen fifteen Strike
- 42:57dnes on target in caps. This is when the first
- 43:01drums were definitely dropped in the caps, pending earlier trigger
- 43:06based targets fifteen thirty six F eighteen second strike starts.
- 43:14Also first sea based tomahawks launched in caps. More to
- 43:19follow per timeline. We are currently clean on O p SEC.
- 43:27Godspeed to our warriors.
- 43:30Speaker 2: End of quote.
- 43:32Speaker 1: Waltz later provided the chat group with information on the
- 43:35strike's impact, saying a building had collapsed and that multiple
- 43:40targets were believed killed, including a top missile guy who
- 43:45was allegedly struck while walking to his girlfriend's building. Waltz wrote,
- 43:52referring to Hegseth, US Central Command Chief General Michael eric
- 43:56Kiua and the intelligence community Pete Corolla, I see amazing job.
- 44:07Of the participants in the group chat included Secretary of
- 44:11State Marco Rubio, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, CIA
- 44:17director John Ratcliffe, and several other senior Trump aides. In
- 44:23testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday. Gabbard and
- 44:28Ratcliffe echoed Hegseth in asserting that the messages did not
- 44:31include classified material. FBI Director Cash Btel has declined to
- 44:37say whether his agency would launch an examination of the incident.
- 44:44Marco Rubio, speaking to reporters in Jamaica, referred to the
- 44:48impact of the March fifteenth operation on Hoodie targets and
- 44:51follow up US strikes which have continued since then. I
- 44:57have been insured by the Pentagon and everyone involved that
- 45:01none of the information that was on there, though not
- 45:04intended to be divulged, Obviously that was a mistake and
- 45:07that shouldn't have happened, and the White House is looking
- 45:10at it, but that none of the information on there
- 45:13at any point threatened the operation of the lives of
- 45:15as servicemen, and in fact, it was a very successful operation.
- 45:20Speaker 2: He said.
- 45:23Speaker 1: There are vulnerabilities within signal, including use of link devices,
- 45:28and information shared on the app is a high value
- 45:31target of Russian hackers. According to a February internal bulletin
- 45:36circulated by National Security Agency and obtained by The Washington Post,
- 45:42the Hutis, who receive intelligence support from Iran, also have
- 45:46a burgeoning defense relationship with Moscow, officials have said. Wes Bryant,
- 45:52a former Air Force Special operations targeter who oversaw strikes
- 45:56against the Islamic State, said heck saith specificicivity in the
- 46:03single chat raises the question of whether he was copying
- 46:06or relaying information straight from classified document systems. There could
- 46:12have been serious consequences had an adversary and accepted communications
- 46:16and disclosed it to the Hiti huti's Bryant said, at
- 46:20a minimum, HUTI leaders, if warned, could have sought to
- 46:24invade US strikes, forcing a delay on the US military's part,
- 46:29or requiring different calculus about civilian deaths. In the worst
- 46:33case scenario, he said, the militant group, which generally has
- 46:38outdated air defense systems, could target US a partner aircraft
- 46:42with enough lead time. He said, there could be a
- 46:48highly capable air defense asset that we don't know about.
- 46:52It all run by one of our peer adversaries, or
- 46:56at least facilitated by one. How Trump's policies have helped
- 47:03Russia and Furthered Putin's goals. Months into the new administration,
- 47:09a slew of policy changes have helped Russia, including defunding
- 47:14US soft power, standing down cyber efforts, and splitting with
- 47:19NATO allies Robin Dixon. And there's a picture of President
- 47:28Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin walking together at
- 47:33the Group of twenty summit in Osaka, Japan, in June
- 47:38of twenty nineteen. They are almost in a silhouette form
- 47:42against a white background, both in very dark suits. President
- 47:48Donald Trump's pivot towards Russia, through a series of concessions
- 47:53and policy changes, coupled with threats against Washington's traditional allies,
- 47:59is ushering in a world order more amenable to Moscow.
- 48:02According to Russian analyst, Trump's talk of taking over the
- 48:07Panama Canal, making Canada the fifty first state, and getting
- 48:12Greenland one way or another appears to be rupturing the
- 48:16post World War two favor order in favor of a
- 48:19world without constraints on territorial expansion by force, and one
- 48:24closer to Russian President Vladimir Putin's view. Trump is ideologically
- 48:35closer to Putin than, say to French President Emmanuel macrom
- 48:42Vellislav Serkov, a former deputy premier who helped neuter Russian's
- 48:48democracy and engineer the invasions of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine
- 48:53in twenty fourteen, told French magazine Lexpress. Peace negotiations, he said,
- 49:01will deliver Russia's gold, Ukraine's defeat through either war or diplomacy,
- 49:07and its partition in two natural parts. The Russian world,
- 49:14he continued, has no borders, and we will expand in
- 49:18all directions as God wills and as far as air
- 49:23ressources allow. Trump's policy is beneficial to Russia, analyst Mikhailamklyanov
- 49:33wrote in the newspaper Zaviznimaya Gazeita, Trump is ready to
- 49:41make serious concessions to Russia without demanding reciprocal steps. The
- 49:46multipolar world has already arrived, and Trump is already living
- 49:52in it.
- 49:52Speaker 2: He added.
- 49:54Speaker 1: There are major ships by the Trump administration that benefit
- 49:58Russia first concessions on Ukraine peace talks. Even before peace
- 50:07talks began, the Trump administration publicly rejected key demands from Kiev,
- 50:12including NATO membership and keeping conquered Ukrainian territory on the
- 50:17negotiating table, in contentious comments that suggested tacit US acceptance
- 50:23that Russia has legitimate claims on Ukrainian territory, Trump's Special envoy,
- 50:29Steve Wittkoff, said five regions annexed by Moscow were part
- 50:33of Russia, and this has always been the issue. Russia,
- 50:38he said, has reclaimed them. Witkkoff claimed that annexation referendums
- 50:45were proof that and overwhelming majority in the regions want
- 50:50to be under Russia and rule. Although you in General
- 50:54Assembly in twenty twenty two deployed Russia's attempted annexation of
- 50:59US Ukrainian Land as blatant disregard for the Bedrock principles
- 51:04on which the organization was founded. Trump's negotiators have also
- 51:10promised economic deals with Russia. Once a peace sign is
- 51:14peace deals signed a major goal for Prutin that would
- 51:18help restore Russia's economy. As peace talks continue, several US
- 51:24national security agencies have stopped work countering Russian sabotage, disinformation,
- 51:33and cyber attacks. The US Cyber Command was ordered to
- 51:37halt planning of offensive cyber operations against Russia. It is
- 51:42not clear whether these measures were temporary confidence building measures
- 51:47during peace talks or a permanent change. Recent partial ceasefire
- 51:53talks for Russia for the Black Sea may grant Russia
- 51:57re entry into the swift system for global money transfers
- 52:01under the guise of selling grain, a long desire of
- 52:05Putin's government. Two, Putin a trustworthy friend. Under Trump, Putin
- 52:14is no longer seen as an unpredictable adversary bent on
- 52:17ending US global Hedgemei, but a smart, gracious and likable
- 52:22friend who, according to Witkof, won't take any more Ukrainian
- 52:26territory or attacked Europe in the future. First of all,
- 52:31why would they want to absorb Ukraine for what purpose?
- 52:34Speaker 2: Exactly?
- 52:35Speaker 1: They don't need to absorb Ukraine, he said, despite the
- 52:39fact that Russia has used political interference in military aggression
- 52:44to subject subjugate Ukraine through it Putin's twenty five year rule,
- 52:50I liked him. I thought he was straight up with me.
- 52:54I don't reguard Putin as a bad guy. Witkoff also
- 52:58said in an interview Friday with that Putin has shared
- 53:03his parias status in Washington to be restored as a
- 53:06global leader who can help bring stability to the Middle
- 53:10East or partner with the United States to export Russian
- 53:14Arctic gas to Europe. Trump meanwhile, has accused keV of
- 53:19starting the war and called Ukrainian President v Loodlodomir Zelensky
- 53:23a dictator, echoing Putin's own claims three end of war
- 53:30crime inquiries. Putin was indicted for alleged war crimes by
- 53:35the International Criminal Court in twenty twenty three over the
- 53:39abduction of thousands of Ukrainian children, but the U s
- 53:43State Department this month halted funding for a three year
- 53:46project by the Yale University Humanitarian Research Lab to trace
- 53:51the fates of thousands of abducted children. It also barred
- 53:55any evidence for being sent to the court. Yale's work
- 53:59had contributed to six ICC indictments against Russian officials, including Putin.
- 54:06Speaker 2: At the time.
- 54:07Speaker 1: Researchers lost access to a trove of information, including satellite
- 54:11imagery and biometric data, tracking the identities and locations of
- 54:16as many as thirty five thousand Ukrainian children, information crucial
- 54:21to returning them home. The Trump administration also stopped working
- 54:26with the International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime
- 54:29of Aggression, a multinational investigative unit under EUROS, the European
- 54:36Union's Agency for Criminal Justice cooperation to prosecute those responsible
- 54:42for Russian Russia's aggression against Ukraine. Four cuts to US
- 54:48soft power. For years, the Krimlin has bitterly opposed the
- 54:53US to Agency for International Development USAID, Radio Free Europe
- 54:59slash Ratio Liberty RFE slash RL, and Voice of America.
- 55:05The Trump administration is now working to eliminate all of
- 55:09them or slash their funding and staff. The organizations have
- 55:13been major tools of American soft power, promoting democratic values,
- 55:19countering autocrats, presenting accurate reporting in regents where news is sensoned,
- 55:24and helping vulnerable populations. In twenty seventeen, Moscow designated RFEORL
- 55:33as a foreign agent, slapping fines on the organization, eventually
- 55:37forcing its operations in Russia into bankruptcy. The organization left
- 55:42the country in twenty twenty two, but continued to report
- 55:45on it. In twenty twenty four, Russia designated it as
- 55:50an undesirable organization, meaning anyone who worked for Radio Free
- 55:56Europe slash Radio Liberty, was interviewed, donated to it, or
- 56:02posted its content could face criminal charges.
- 56:07Speaker 2: And e.
- 56:09Speaker 1: RFL editor aloser Kermas Shiva was arrested in twenty twenty
- 56:14three and jailed, convicted of spreading false news about the
- 56:18raw Ukraine. She was freed last year as part of
- 56:22a prisoner exchange. Despite the harassment, r RL continued to report,
- 56:28but Trump's decision to eliminate it may succeed where the
- 56:32Krimlin failed ORL has taken legal action against funding cuts,
- 56:38as have Voice of America and USAID employees. Russian Foreign
- 56:44Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharov attacked USAID last month, saying US
- 56:52tools of soft power were.
- 56:54Speaker 2: Used to keep afloat.
- 56:56Speaker 1: The painful and perverted narratives of American ultra liberals used,
- 57:02she said, posed more risks than AID and vow that
- 57:06Russia would continue to suppress outside attempts to undermine stability
- 57:11and security in our common space under the pretext of
- 57:15alleged concern for democracy. Many small, independent Russian and Ukrainian
- 57:22media outlets were supported by USAID funding and fifth tensions
- 57:28with allies. One of Putin's key strategy goals has been
- 57:32deweakened NATO and divide the US from Europe, but Trump
- 57:37seems to have hit the fast forward button, and Trump
- 57:40is up into decades of US foreign policy by pivoting
- 57:44to closer relations with Russia while threatening NATO allies and
- 57:48pausing US military aid and intelligence cooperation with Ukraine.
- 57:54Speaker 2: Trump, who said.
- 57:56Speaker 1: UEU was formed to screw the UNI United States, and
- 58:01has also threatened to impose twenty five percent tariffs on
- 58:04Europe and according to former US National Security adviasor John Bolton,
- 58:12Trump almost withdrew from NATO in twenty eighteen, and Trump
- 58:16has threatened not to defend NATO allies that don't meet
- 58:19a target of spending two percent of their gross semetistic
- 58:22product on defense, and in January he.
- 58:25Speaker 2: Said the target should be raised to five percent. There
- 58:29is a little bit more.
- 58:29Speaker 1: Of this article, but I don't have time to read it.
- 58:35Thank you for listening. Please continue listening to programming on
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- 58:42Speaker 2: See you on Saturday. Bye.