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Karl W. B. Schwarz Joins UK Column to Dissect the Official 9/11 Narrative · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to UK column viewers and listeners
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  Speaker 1: wherever you are in the world. And I do hope
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  Speaker 1: today that we're going to have people joining us well
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  Speaker 1: for this video. We're going to have people joining us
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  Speaker 1: from not only UK and the United States, but right
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  Speaker 1: the way across the world, because I think the topic
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  Speaker 1: today is extremely important. The subject is essentially nine eleven
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  Speaker 1: and events around nine to eleven. My guest today is
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  Speaker 1: carle W B. Schwartz, who's the managing director and CEO
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  Speaker 1: of Katata Nanotech Group based in Europe. And this gentleman
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  Speaker 1: has a very impressive track record around events connected to
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  Speaker 1: nine eleven and I'll just put my glasses on to
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  Speaker 1: summarize these a little.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: He's author of the two thousand and four book One
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  Speaker 1: Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, and the byline for this
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  Speaker 1: book is a conservative Republican speaks Out. Carl has also
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  Speaker 1: been featured guest on approximately two hundred radio shows for
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  Speaker 1: one to two hour segments discussing September the eleventh, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one, and other geopolitical events that preceded and
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  Speaker 1: followed that day. And I think there's a very interesting
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  Speaker 1: word in that sentence, which is preceded events leading up
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  Speaker 1: to and these are clearly events that many people are
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  Speaker 1: simply not aware of what was taking place in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and Carl has gone into these in great detail. He's
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  Speaker 1: also been a key presenter at the September the eleventh,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and four Jimmy Walter sponsored event in New
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  Speaker 1: York City on nine to eleven, and that was entitled
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  Speaker 1: Confronting the Evidence. And an important point is that Carl's
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  Speaker 1: office was in DC from nineteen ninety to June nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety six, and some of what he knows predates the
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  Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand and one by years. So essentially
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  Speaker 1: Carl has spent a huge amount of time putting information. Now,
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  Speaker 1: before I bring him on live, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: bring up a picture so that our viewers can see
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  Speaker 1: Carl w b. Schwartz and Carl. Welcome to UK.
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  Speaker 2: Colin, Oh, thank you for having me on to day.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, it's a pleasure. Now I think we should be
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  Speaker 1: honest with our audience and say that this is actually
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  Speaker 1: take two, because some time ago we sat down to
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  Speaker 1: do this interview. It was a good interview. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of information but when we got to the end,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say both of us felt that maybe
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  Speaker 1: there was more that we could do. So I'm being
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  Speaker 1: very honest with the audience, and so we decided we'd
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  Speaker 1: rework some of the material, we'd have a second take
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  Speaker 1: at it. And today's interview is that second take. And
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  Speaker 1: I think our audience are going to be utterly fascinated
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  Speaker 1: the information that comes forward. And I'm going to answer
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  Speaker 1: that that this information is really only a fraction of
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  Speaker 1: the material that Carl and a team around him have
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  Speaker 1: assembled over the last few years, which raise our material,
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  Speaker 1: raises a lot of questions about events at nine to eleven. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if people have forgotten, let's just put an image up
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  Speaker 1: on the screen, because of course, this is one that
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  Speaker 1: many people saw over and over and over again, and
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  Speaker 1: it's of planes hitting the World Trade Center buildings in
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  Speaker 1: New York. I clearly remember the day I was at
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  Speaker 1: work in Plymouth and suddenly the news reports started to
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  Speaker 1: come across the radio. We subsequently switched on a television,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember sitting there utterly horrified with my work
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  Speaker 1: colleagues as we watched that fateful day unfold. Now, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: for our audience today that there was probably no better
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  Speaker 1: way of recapping what the official version was, at least
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  Speaker 1: by looking at what the BBC had to say. And
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  Speaker 1: I've chosen for this a little news clip from the
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  Speaker 1: BBC's children's program called news Round, and I think this
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  Speaker 1: is a very appropriate place to start. I've cut out
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  Speaker 1: some material just to keep it short, but nevertheless, I
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  Speaker 1: think in this clip we will get a flavor of
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  Speaker 1: not only what happened in nine to eleven under nine
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  Speaker 1: to eleven events, but of course we'll also get a
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  Speaker 1: strong sense of how the BBC saw events and how
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  Speaker 1: they would like people worldwide to understand those events. So
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  Speaker 1: let's have look at BBC News Round coverage of nine to.
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  Speaker 3: Eleven September eleventh, nine to eleven The Twin Towers. These
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  Speaker 3: are phrases you've probably heard. You might know a little
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  Speaker 3: bit about what they mean, you might know loads, or
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  Speaker 3: you might not really know much at all. But the
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  Speaker 3: story is an important one because it's about an attack
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  Speaker 3: on America that changed the world twenty years ago. Not
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  Speaker 3: only has it shaped history, but nine to eleven has
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  Speaker 3: had a huge impact on events in the news then
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  Speaker 3: and also now. First, we're going to hear from people
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  Speaker 3: who were your sort of age when it happened. They've
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  Speaker 3: told us what it was like being a young American
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  Speaker 3: when their country went through such a dramatic event. Carrie,
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  Speaker 3: Walter and Rachel were all children at the time of
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  Speaker 3: the attacks, living in different parts of the United States.
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  Speaker 3: We spoke to them about what they remember from the day.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty years ago, the world was enjoying the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: a new millennium. At the center of the world was
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  Speaker 3: the United States. It was at the heart of international politics,
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  Speaker 3: and it had military bases across the world. The country
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  Speaker 3: was also welcoming a new president into the White House.
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  Speaker 2: George Walker Bush is solemnly swear that I will faithfully
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  Speaker 2: execute the office of President of the United States, that
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  Speaker 2: I will faithfully execute the office as President of the
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  Speaker 2: United States.
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  Speaker 4: George Bush became president at the start of two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and one and spent his first months in office meeting
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  Speaker 4: other countries' leaders. To them he was now in charge
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  Speaker 4: of the world's most influential nation. At the center of
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  Speaker 4: New York were the enormous Twin Towers. The buildings were
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and ten stories high, and thousands of people
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  Speaker 4: worked in the offices. Al Qaeda is an Islamist extremist
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  Speaker 4: group who blamed America for many of the world's problems.
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  Speaker 4: They had twisted beliefs which they used to justify violent attacks.
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  Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety eight, the group began to plan an
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  Speaker 4: attack known as the Planes Attack. By the year two thousand,
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  Speaker 4: terrorists had made their way into the United States. US
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  Speaker 4: officials knew the group were targeting their country, but didn't
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  Speaker 4: know where they were taken by surprise when the well
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  Speaker 4: organized attack finally happened on Tuesday, September the eleventh, two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and one, Al Qaeder's terrible plan was carried out.
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  Speaker 4: Four teams of terrorists took control of four flights shortly
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  Speaker 4: after they'd taken off. The terrorists had been trained to
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  Speaker 4: fly planes. Two were crashed into the enormous Twin Towers
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  Speaker 4: in New York and one into the Pentagon, which is
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  Speaker 4: the home of a America's military in Washington, DC. The
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  Speaker 4: fourth flight crashed after its passengers fought back and took
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  Speaker 4: action to prevent the plane reaching its target in New York.
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  Speaker 4: The two towers collapse following the attack. Debris was found
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  Speaker 4: almost three miles away. Three thousand people died in the attacks,
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  Speaker 4: including several hundred emergency workers who race to help us.
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  Speaker 4: President George Bush addressed the nation on the evening of
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  Speaker 4: the attacks. Part of his address said.
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  Speaker 2: Today our nation saw evil, the very worst of human nature,
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  Speaker 2: and we responded with the best of America.
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  Speaker 4: The attacks led to President Bush declaring a war on terror.
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  Speaker 1: So Carl, According to the BBC, it was also very simple,
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  Speaker 1: and I deliberately chose a children's clip because, of course
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  Speaker 1: this demonstrates how the BBC wants to reframe the way
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  Speaker 1: particularly young people think about the world. That little cartoon documentary,
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  Speaker 1: of course, is designed to absolutely fix the official line
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  Speaker 1: into the minds of children. Similar material, of course, has
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  Speaker 1: been pushed out for adults. Now, before I bring you
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  Speaker 1: back to give your comments, I wanted to pop up
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  Speaker 1: on screen something that you said in one of the
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  Speaker 1: documents to me, and I'd like to set it against
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  Speaker 1: the backdrop here of the BBC's report, and of course
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  Speaker 1: in that central photograph we've got the true horror of
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  Speaker 1: what actually took place, as those buildings first of all
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  Speaker 1: were on fire and then later collapse. But these were
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  Speaker 1: your words, you said it was a pearl harbor to
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  Speaker 1: justify a shift in Bush Cheney all strategy and war policy,
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  Speaker 1: a day that will live in infamy and history as
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  Speaker 1: the the ultimate definition of US oil greed. Now, that
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  Speaker 1: might seem an astonishing statement to many people, but of
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  Speaker 1: course they don't have the advantage of your deep research.
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  Speaker 1: So over to you. What's your response to the BBC's
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  Speaker 1: version of events.
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  Speaker 2: The official story. Like you said earlier, my office was
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  Speaker 2: in DC nineteen ninety ninety six, and it was during
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  Speaker 2: that period of time that Time Magazine came up with
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  Speaker 2: an article that everybody in Washington, d C. The liberals
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  Speaker 2: and the conservatives, called George Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush Senior,
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  Speaker 2: It totally lost his mind. The title was USSR Operation
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  Speaker 2: Step Shield. This was before they did Desert Shield Desert Storm.
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  Speaker 2: They were actually trying to come up with a plan
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  Speaker 2: to invade the US large blocks of areas that are
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  Speaker 2: now called Kazakhstan Stan New Zbekistan, which are voted with
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  Speaker 2: all in national gas, and they're voted to the point
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  Speaker 2: to where we did the math of what they were
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  Speaker 2: talking about, coming from turk Ministan across Afghanistan Pakistan, they
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  Speaker 2: could have voted eight to nine super tankers a day
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  Speaker 2: each holding two megan barrels. That's how much oil and
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  Speaker 2: gas is up there. And they could do it for
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  Speaker 2: over thirty years. So the Bush family has been after
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  Speaker 2: this for a long time. And then when I found
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  Speaker 2: out what was going on in the caskin I told
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  Speaker 2: you in the first interview and say it here, Bridas
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  Speaker 2: Corporation already had signed contracts with Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan
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  Speaker 2: to build that pipeline, and they ran into nothing but
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  Speaker 2: problems from about nineteen ninety five ninety six all the
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  Speaker 2: way through to just being pushed aside because of nine eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much much for that, and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get we are going to get into the
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  Speaker 1: depths of what was happening in those geopolitical events. But
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  Speaker 1: let's share with our audience a little bit of a coincidence,
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  Speaker 1: which was that you'd actually watched a UK column interview.
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  Speaker 1: It was an interview that I did with the CIA's
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  Speaker 1: head of litigation, Joseph B. Sweeney, and in that interview
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  Speaker 1: you picked up on the fact that he mentioned Clinton's
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  Speaker 1: national security advisor at the time, Sandy Berger, and as
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  Speaker 1: a result of that name, you subsequently got in contact
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  Speaker 1: with me because you were so fascinated that Joseph B.
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  Speaker 1: Sweeney had mentioned Sandy Burger. Why was that coincidence so
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  Speaker 1: important to you?
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  Speaker 2: Because of what was happening during the George Herbert Walker
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  Speaker 2: Bush administration in Quinton. We all know what happened in
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  Speaker 2: the George W. Bush administration. Sandy Berger was possibly stealing
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  Speaker 2: and destroying documents deal with multiple issues. First, on February
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixth, nineteen ninety three, the World Trade Center North
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  Speaker 2: Tower had a huge bomb go off down in the
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  Speaker 2: blowed ground areas, the parking areas. And after I found
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  Speaker 2: out about the asbestos law suit it started in eighty seven,
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  Speaker 2: and then it got fired up again in ninety one
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  Speaker 2: as a different type of lawsuit, and then again in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. They may have been trying to recover
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  Speaker 2: records and destroy them because Clinton fired the FBI director
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  Speaker 2: because he was doing an internal investigation of who in
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  Speaker 2: the hell and the FBI ate it and abdded that bombing,
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  Speaker 2: and he called up he called up William Sessions, who
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  Speaker 2: was FBI director, former US District Court judge, and just
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  Speaker 2: sumarily party to get off the property right now. And
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  Speaker 2: that all started adding up it took years later. You
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  Speaker 2: know just who you are, where you're doing business, who
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  Speaker 2: you meet, that all the pieces started coming together about
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, something big was going to happen to
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  Speaker 2: those towers, and it was just a matter of when
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  Speaker 2: and how. So I already knew what to look for
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  Speaker 2: as early as ninety three and ninety four, all the
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  Speaker 2: way up to ninety nine. That's when I met for
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  Speaker 2: DOSK Corporation.
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  Speaker 1: Now, just to set the scenes, you've been working with
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  Speaker 1: a group of people for a long time putting together
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  Speaker 1: a cool submission about the whole events that took place
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  Speaker 1: around nine to eleven and the principal targets. And you
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm not spot on, if I'm not
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  Speaker 1: right with this, But the principal tal it is the
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  Speaker 1: Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This organization
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  Speaker 1: is vast. It looks after AirLand, rail and sea transport
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  Speaker 1: in the New York, New Jersey area. It's a multi
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  Speaker 1: billion US dollar company, I believe, and it also had
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for the World Trade Center at the time. So
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  Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about the Port Authority
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  Speaker 1: itself and why your team has made them such a
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  Speaker 1: fundamental part of the court application.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they followed the first lawsuit in eighteen eighty seven
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  Speaker 2: against thebestos supplier. When I was an architecture school, we
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  Speaker 2: had to study the World Trade Center a structural design.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people do not realize that those four
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  Speaker 2: walls that went up one hundred and ten stories Paul
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  Speaker 2: are not structural road bearing. They just carry a part
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  Speaker 2: of the four load freeze four the total load capacity
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  Speaker 2: carrying capacity if the World Trade Center was actually carried
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  Speaker 2: by the central core and they used something they called
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  Speaker 2: a couple that actually was suspending those four walls on
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  Speaker 2: all four sides and then transferring that weight back into
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  Speaker 2: the back into the core of the building, which was massive.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't bring down the core of the building with
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  Speaker 2: the jet or even normal exposes. They use and controlled demois.
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  Speaker 2: It was done an entirely different way.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and the New York Authority had total control and
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for the World Trade Center buildings. Carl, Is that correct?
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  Speaker 2: That's correct. They commissioned them, they were designed and built,
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  Speaker 2: and they'd been operating them. There was probably close to
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  Speaker 2: ten million square feet just in the two towers. Each
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  Speaker 2: one of those force is right at one acre for space,
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  Speaker 2: So there was there's a lot of you add in
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  Speaker 2: the other buildings. I think it's something on the order
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  Speaker 2: sixteen million square feet, you know, work truck World Trade
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  Speaker 2: Center of.
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  Speaker 1: One seven and the Portal Authority had total responsibility for
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  Speaker 1: those buildings, not not only in the operation, but also
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  Speaker 1: in security, and I'm going to say for particular reason
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  Speaker 1: health and safety issues around those buildings.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, they did contract up some things like the security
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  Speaker 2: access systems and basic security. You know, you had to
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  Speaker 2: have a car to get into the building or the
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  Speaker 2: parking deck, and they handled all of that to another company.
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  Speaker 2: And that started off as supposedly Burned and Rows Secure
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  Speaker 2: Calm until a Secure Calm company in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania sued
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  Speaker 2: them for copyright trademark violations. They boughted out in court
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  Speaker 2: like four years. The defendants appealed it twice to the
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  Speaker 2: Third Circuit Court of Appeals Goldel GM they was they
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  Speaker 2: wilst the main whilst in New Jersey. They lost both
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  Speaker 2: appeals and then they had to change their name and
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  Speaker 2: it pops up the Strati Sect and that's a doublaware
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  Speaker 2: corporation of what was odd to me. Strata Sect predated
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  Speaker 2: even their use of the name security by years.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting into some of the chronological history here, Carl,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to look at that in more detail
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  Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. But already, the thing which
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  Speaker 1: is so fascinating for me is that before discussing events
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  Speaker 1: of nine to eleven on the day, you are talking
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  Speaker 1: about events that were taking place previous, over quite a
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  Speaker 1: long period of time. And when I started to read
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  Speaker 1: through some of the considerable information that you sent through
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  Speaker 1: to me before prior to this interview, a phrase came
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  Speaker 1: into my head. Men's rare, which in the criminal sense
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  Speaker 1: is the guilty mind, that if an event is going
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  Speaker 1: to take place, perhaps a crime of theft or even
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  Speaker 1: a murder is going to happen. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: that you were looking for was there an intent to
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  Speaker 1: do this? Was there a guilty mind? And I think
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  Speaker 1: that when we look at nine to eleven, and certainly
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  Speaker 1: when we look at nine to eleven events, armed with
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  Speaker 1: the considerable research and information that you and your team
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  Speaker 1: have done, we start to have some very interesting questions
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  Speaker 1: around was it as simple as the BBC would have
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  Speaker 1: us believe on the day that it was simply al
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  Speaker 1: Qaeda terrorists or were there far deeper things going on
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  Speaker 1: around the World Trade Center buildings before I'd let you
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  Speaker 1: respond to that car. This was something you sent through,
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  Speaker 1: grew to me, and I think it's very concise, so
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  Speaker 1: let's just read it out. Essentially, the allegation is that
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  Speaker 1: the Port of New York and New Jersey Authority and
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  Speaker 1: the Bush administration lied to America and the world about
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  Speaker 1: the September eleven events in two thousand and one, why
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  Speaker 1: it happened, and what the real motive and objective was
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  Speaker 1: in blaming it all on Afghanistan. So the BBC really
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  Speaker 1: picked up on that because it said, oh, well, basically,
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  Speaker 1: these nasty terrorists came along and they attacked the World
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  Speaker 1: Trade Center with aircraft, buildings collapsed, thousands of people die.
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  Speaker 1: It was those terrorists. But here you're raising some different
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  Speaker 1: issues that it wasn't as simple as Afghanistan being in
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  Speaker 1: the background. And in the bottom part of the screen
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  Speaker 1: you said that the US had been conspiring since nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety to go after the Caspian Base region and Afghanistan
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  Speaker 1: because it held a key position in that region to
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  Speaker 1: get oil and national gas to an ocean port. Now
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  Speaker 1: you've touched on this a few minutes ago. But just
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  Speaker 1: tell us a bit more about your position and the
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  Speaker 1: position of the team in stating that when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the evidence around nine to eleven, it was not
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  Speaker 1: as simple as just terrorists appearing on the screen and
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  Speaker 1: attacking us.
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  Speaker 2: You've seen the like that video. I said, it's a
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  Speaker 2: very quick video, but it's taken back Canadian banker. And
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  Speaker 2: when we got our hands on that in WATE two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and three, it didn't take much to prove that
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  Speaker 2: that is not a seven sixty seven, that was a
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  Speaker 2: seven thirty seven jet. So that was a big hold
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  Speaker 2: and the official story because what was supposedly hajacked was
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  Speaker 2: to seven six steps you'll seen about three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty to four hundred people, and the other jet was
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  Speaker 2: much smaller. So over the over the years and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: just weeks and months, a little bit of pieces just
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  Speaker 2: kept popping up. And what we kept looking for with
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  Speaker 2: what I call vectors and the chronology issue, And when
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  Speaker 2: you you know, five or six different vectors and chronology issues,
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  Speaker 2: and they all point back to the destruction of nine
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  Speaker 2: to eleven, and they're coming out of multiple US states.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: They are not coming out of Afghanistan. They're not coming
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: out of Saudi Arabia. Somebody that can think of it
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: through and connect the dots is not a conspiracy theory.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I mean they have they have tried to paint it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: as a conspiracy theory anybody that challenges their official merit.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: But if you've seen them, the documents I've sent you,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: we've got the facts and we've got them all nailed
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: down to where this is who did it, and this
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is why they did it, and it was just it
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: was a small group of people.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And that's the key statement. It's not only what they did,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: but it's how they did it. And this is this
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: is where that concept of the guilty mind comes in.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: This wasn't just circumstantial or this wasn't just events around
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a terrorist threat, because there's too much evidence that can
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: be brought forward. Now I've got some statistics here which
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you were very keen to bring in front of people. Again,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: this is the sad truth of what took place. So
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: two seven hundred and fifty three died at the Trade
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Center one hundred and eighty four at the Pentagon on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the eleventh of September two thousand and one. But you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: make the key point that even more have died since
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: in the general area of the World Trade Center as
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: first responders, as post nine to eleven cleanup crewise residential
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and business tenants as a result of asbestos induced cancer. Now,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: this is not something that the average person has heard
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: about in looking at reports across worldwide media. So just
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: take us in a little bit because I've got more
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: information to bring up on screen to do with asbestos.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But tell us why you've got this comment about people
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: suffering as a result of asbestos induced cancer.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Well after nine to eleven, there were a lot of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: people complaining about sudden onset of major health problems. Christine
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Todd Whitman, former governor of New Jersey, she was appointed
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: by Booster had the EPA Environmental Protection Agency. She kept
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: as sharing everybody that if that was fine, and we
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: already know what they're after in Aghanistan and people are
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: getting very sick, especially the cleanup crews and the people
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: that were first responders. You know, it wasn't adding up,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: but it did take us about two years before we
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: actually found that is best as Wallsea, they have tried
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to keep that absolutely hush hush. I even tried to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: get a copy of the of the final order that
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: doomed the World Trade Center. It's dated May seventeen, two
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: thousand and one. They were seeking close to six billion
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: for the three airports and the World Trade Center as
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: best as remediation mitigation get rid of it. And they
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even have a copy of the order. I said,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: is the case file seal? They said, no, we're just
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: not allowed to distributing documents in the case. You know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: they didn't want anybody knowing about his best As lawsuit,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and they also didn't want anybody knowing about predsport Raison's lawsuit.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Down in Texas. They filed a huge, well fifteen billion
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: dollars law seat against the people who were interfering with
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: them in the Caspian Basement, specifically in Turkmenistan called.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: This This is a very very interesting point because, of
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: course asbestos is a well known problem within buildings and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: indeed ships and other other locations around the world. The
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: problems of cancer induced by asbestos very well known, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: over a number of years, particularly in the late eighties
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: through the nineties and onwards, we've had constant warnings, certainly
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: within professional trades around construction and buildings to carry out
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: risk assessments to identify asbestos within any building and the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: risks that it presents to both workers and visitors to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the building. So this is not an isolated thing. What
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you're describing has to be viewed against the backdrop that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: within the US as a whole, the government was encouraging
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: under health and safety reviews of asbestos in buildings with
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the with a goal of either removing it if it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: was safe to do it, or else sealing it so
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that that asbestos can be a problem. But here you
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: are telling us that actually asbestos was a big problem
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: in the well trade buildings. Do you know where it
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was situated in the buildings? Was it throughout or was
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: it a localized problem.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It was mainly the fireproofing for the structural steel and
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the outset parameter was actually horizontal plates and vertical twos.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: There were steel, but there were much wider gauge. The
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: only thing they did was carry one half of the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: load of four joys. But once that road came down
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: on us that wall, it was actually being carried by
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: up and transferred back to that center corps. The center
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: core of the building was massive, incredibly strong. You couldn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: have brought it down with it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Jet structural steel was coated with some form of asbestos
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: compound in order to effectively fireproof the steel, to give
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it a longer life in a fire, a hot fire environment.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The the only ten floors of one of the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: parts of the lawsuit I'm describing over in Newark, New Jersey,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: they had renovated ten floors so they could rent them out,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and that was where the first plane hit the north tower.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Those ten floors were taken out with the first plane,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and that that was Cant Fitzgerald, marsh mclan and also
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the Japanese nip Nippon Bank, Mishi Nippon Bank of Japan.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: They had offices on those ten forms.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So the asbestos had been known about well before you've
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: mentioned the lawsuits, and again we'll come back to that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: We've got a little bit more detail in the timeline
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: about that. But of course, once the plane struck, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: certainly when the buildings collapsed, the dust was highly contaminated.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And what you what you're saying here is that this
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was clearly known both to the to the World Trade
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Center authorities, and indeed it must have been to the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: State of New York because any risk assessments would have
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: been would have come under the remit of New York itself.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The portatory is dead in New York, and even
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the federal government knew about this, and they have kept
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: it absolutely quiet. They wanted everybody to think, oh, gosh,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: we got attack by terrorists, so what's moment on agains
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and go steal that pipeline right away. I mean, that's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: basically how simple it is. Once you know the facts.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: That dust arrived in the streets, and we saw, of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: course many photographs and video clips of massive dust clouds.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But what you're identifying here is just one point is
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that actually it was known, it had been known for
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a long time about the asbestos risk, and therefore asbestos
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: was in that dust cloud exactly.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The fact that the port authority in the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: state of New York, probably the City of New York
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: itself as a separate government, and the federal government, they
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: all knew about the problem. And somebody, what I've said
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: on radio before, somebody figured out a convenient way after
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they lost the asbestoslaw suit. We're not going to get
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: six billion dollars to fix the problem. You know. The
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Urban Renewer Project comes in called September eleven, two thousand
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and one. Right, they spread their stuff everywhere the e
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: p A. The e PA was quietly cleaning up the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: residences in the area after people were screaming at them
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: for so long. And that that video that I sent
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to you of me at Jimmy waters En, the woman
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: sitting on my right, she was she was former e
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: PA and she had been all over epight about the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Investos issues and the other other things in the air
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that were dead. They're harmful.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And so the comments that we heard earlier in the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: BBC clip of Bush saying that we met terror with
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the wonderful response of those first aid and responding teams.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: This is very, very cynical, because of course those people
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: were put fully in harm's way in their courage to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: come and help people who'd died or been inured as
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a result of the attack on World Trade Center. Very
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: cynical when you put these pieces back and look at
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: what actually took place in the old immediate aftermath and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the cleanup.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't until twenty fifteen sput Nick News out of
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Russia ran an article and it said, why do four
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: thousand first responders have cancer? Not a single television station
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: that I heard or a newspaper touched on that headline.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And that's a big headline. And that's what the number
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: was a little over thirty seven hundred already head cancer
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and these were the first responders.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tragic, Carl. You sent me a little clip of
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: an independent report going way back to the ninth of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: November nineteen ninety three. It says, tapes revealed the role
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of the FBI in bombing leaked phone tap are embarrassing
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: investigators during the World Trade Center trial. Now, remember this
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is nineteen ninety three, and if I put a bit
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of text in here, this was your comment on this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: particular article. Most Americans forgot or never knew that the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: World Trade Center one North Tower was bombed on February
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the twenty sixth, nineteen ninety three. They forgot or never
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: knew that. And they forgot or never knew that FBI
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Director William Sessions was summarily fired by President Bill Clinton
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: because he launched an internal investigation as to who in
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the FBI aided and abetted that crime. I'll just put
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: up this is a still from a video which I found,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: which was the swearing in of William's session, so you
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: can see him there on the left with Ronald Reagan.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And that was the second of November nineteen eighty seven.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: So that independent report was actually very telling because in
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it it was talking about FBI agents actually working with
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the team who were planning to were planning to build
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: will Trade Center.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: They actually helped them procure the exposers to do the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: bomb and all the stuff that they put in that truck.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: They pulled them ender the building with a big truck
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and detonated it, and quite a few were killed, a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: lot were engined. But what I think just the timing,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the chronology issue. The lawsuits were already known, they knew
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: about the asbestos problem. They were losing the lawsuits. They
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: already lost the first one in eighty seven. It had
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: been transferred over to US District Court in Newark, New Jersey,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and literally this one judge in New Jersey had already
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: issued a partial summary judgment in favor of the defendants.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So the Port thirty knew they were on the ropes
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: of ever winning you know that six billion. But this
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: goes back to Sandy Berger too. There was not only
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the nine to eleven issue, not only the bombing issue,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the FBI complicity issue. Quentin in'spiring the FBI director because
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: he had that internal investigation, but they were also in
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the process of getting ready to attack Serbia in nineteen
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: ninety nine. And when you started saying those same names,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the same guy that was arming Muslims went over in
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Serbia to kill Christians to justify intervention. And his name
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: also pops up over here in the Caspian Basin, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: he was not named directly, but he was lobbying for
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: who got sued by Burgos Corporation in Texas. All the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: names right there, and it all ties together.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: This is another example of geopolitical events which are are there,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, swirling around the World Trade Center,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and the issue comes up, can you can we trust
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: what the authorities have to say, indeed, what the security
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: services have to say, because when that gentleman tried to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: do the right thing as FBI director, he was removed
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: in quite a robust way. And this brings me back
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: to my interview with Joseph B. Sweeney, because of course,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: what he was telling me, as a man who'd been
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the former head of CIA litigation, was that there were
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: events taking place around the Biden administration, in particular the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: way Trump was being treated, but essent he's describing the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: security authorities, the intelligence services, as being out of control,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and that viewpoint was reinforced by another CIA man I interviewed,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: which is J. Michael Waller, who's written a book about
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the fact that the people who should be protecting the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: US the intelligence services, but the FBI also got to
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: mention that they're not to be trusted. And yet these
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: are the people who were then on the world stage
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: telling people what had actually happened around the World Trade
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Center bombing, nine to eleven bombings. So this is a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: very dark and murky ponds that you've started to go
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: fishing in.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I've said it this way, Brian for years. If
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you want to go down the rabbit hole just before
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: warm there's no rabbits down there. The only thing you're
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: going to found ash skunks and demons and monsters. I mean,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: this is one of the most horrible things I've ever
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: seen happen in my life. And I really resented. I'm
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: a man who's very principal about the truth. I really
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: resented that all of America and part of the world
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: has been systematically wied to for so long, and that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: one day, that one event triggers so many changes, Like
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: George Bush created Project BioShield. Trust me, we know this too.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: We're on another case. Project BioShield was COVID down your throat,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: force vaccination. Bush it planned on force vaccinating all of America.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: He's going to start off first ten Nigian who happened
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to be first responders. Then he creates BARDO, and inside
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of BARDA is a brand new position called ASPR, which
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: is a military person that has authority under National Emergency
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Authorization stuff like that, to take over total control of
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: health response. Every nation in the world saw that happened
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: during COVID too, so it all started in his administration,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: and then it just kept getting worse and worse and
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: worse than Obama. Obama weapon as the Doge weapon as
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the FBM, and then Trump drive the turning back some
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and then I'm just went absolutely crazy, Weaponiz And you're right,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they're not they're not protecting, they're not protecting anything except
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the team.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Your book, Carl, Let's just jump back a little bit
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to your One Way Ticket to Crawlford, Texas. A lot
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of detail in that book and let's just give the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: audience a little bit of a flavor or read out
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of the chapters. Chapter one, you say, seeing
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the light of reality on Bush Cheney has been a
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: painful process for me. Chapter two, military serves under a
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: dishonorable commander and check the Bush neo cons may be
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: intentionally undermining ambilitary strength and the national security of this
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: nation with their greed oxymoron equals Bush national security, planting
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: weeds in America's road garden, the Bush Cheney energy policy,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: myopic brain damaged and treasonous global double crossing another Bush
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: lies impunity and building a peaceful tomorrow. Those are some
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: pretty hard hitting titles for your chapters. What made you
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: write that book and what was your objective in actually
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: writing one way ticket to Crawford, Texas well.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I mentioned this is Jimmy Walters a third anniversary. Were
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: already working diligently on some things that were actually focused
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: more on capital markets fraud, and that frog was running
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: rampant during the Bush administration. So every time he would
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: open his mouth about the room of oh blah blah blah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I would we wanted though of shueer of bootnilt through
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: my televiusiness screen. I knew he was lying. We had
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: enough information to prove it. But every step of the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: way we have had huge pushback of this, you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: just to just to keep us from ever coming after them.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Did writing the book did that cost you personally? I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: don't mean in a financial sense. I meant, was there
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: a pushback at you starting to push push out the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: information you did?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: At the time when I made a decision to move
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: to Europe, it wasn't because of the book reading care
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of George Bush. Our scientists figured out some huge breakthroughs
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: panel technology, and I had five nations in Europe fifty
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: hertz grid that is very important for what we do,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: fifty hertz electric bid. They were competing to get my
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: company in the R and D Center, so I had
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: five nations. I was cooperating to form the initial financial structure,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and the Bush administration made sure every bit of it
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: just went up and smoked. Where we came over here
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: pride people, bully people, and CIA running around slandering and
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: depaining the hell out of me. Just because just because
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I wrote the book about George Bruys, about what a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: wire he is. The truth is going to come out
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: about nine or whether whether they like it or not.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: You've gone from your book speaking out to a lot
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: of people with a lot of research to hand about
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: what took place at nine eleven and what took place
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: beforehand and afterwards. But this has now got to the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: point where you've with a team, you've been able to
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: assembol documents to go forward to court, and that's the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the United States District Court for the Southern District of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: New York. Just one opening document there. But the key
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: point is here that you're doing this on behalf of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a number of plaintips. And if I just bring these
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: up on screen, I'll let you obviously talk us through this,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: but essentially you say that the main group is Group A,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: which is bringing a civil and criminal lawsuit on behalf
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: of a number of other groups, and they are Group B,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the survivors of all two thousand, seven hundred and fifty
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: three people killed at the World Trade Center plus the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty four killed in the Pentagon Plaintiffs
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: groups see all living and all survivors of first responders
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and those involved in the post nine to eleven cleanup
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: who are battling asbestos induced cancer. They've already died from it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And also that group of people who suffered during the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: cleanup includes World Trade Center tenants that were exposed and
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: or have survivors. You've got a plaintive Group D, which
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: is the WTC area residents and businesses willfully and negligently
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: exposed to asbestos, and plaintive group E all military personnel
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: sent to be maimed or die for a lie, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: those permanently harmed by anthrax vaccines, whether living, maimed due
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to combat injuries, or now deceased. This is a very,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: i got to say, altruistic court case because you haven't
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: taken the people who've immediately suffered. You've also, in my opinion,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: quite rightly expanded it to all the people who subsequently
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: were harmed or died as a result of the enforced
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: political events that took place following the attacks on World
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Trade Center.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: It was also more than that, Brian. It was the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: continued willful negligence and line and the cover up. I mean,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: even the nine to eleven commission. Six of the ten
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: people said that the whole nine to eleven commission was
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: set up to fail. The guy who was micromanaging everybody,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Philip Zell count He was the author of Bush's preemptive
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: war doctrine. This guy's not a military guy, he's not
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a politician. You know, he's a book He was a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: book author. He teaches that. I think he's now at
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the University of Virginia. But you know, the systematic lying
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and cover up all the way through is what really
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: started getting on my nerve. Yo. You remember in chapter
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: one of my book, Merrill Leverett, she is she's from
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: my home sitting. She wrote something and she will allow
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: me to cipher in my book about how the wignant
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: lies are. They're just as dangerous as guns when it
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: comes to your personal freedom and Weberary and when you
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: look at how much has changed about freedom and Webreary
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: just because of nine to eleven and the nano weveen
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: was based online. The attack on Afghanistan is based on
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: a line. It's like do the math. I mean, you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the dots connect and the guilty need to be brought
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to justice.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Carl you you pointed this out very clearly. I'll bring
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: this up on screen because there was another group of plaintiffs,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Group F and here you're talking about exactly that. Nations
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and people wrongfully attacked based on the political lies of Washington, DC.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: So you have Iraq nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety one,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Desert Shield, Desert Storm. You have the events in Serbia
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that took place. You have Afghanistan in two thousand and one,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Libya two thousand and one and two thousand and three,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: they enrolled two thousand and three, and they're at the bottom.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Syria in twenty twelve and onwards. And if we just
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: take Syria alone to look at the slaughter and the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: horrors that have taken place in that country. And your
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: key point here is that if people can't trust what
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: their own governments say, people can be hurt worldwide.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I'd like to add something to what you just
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: read out there. What do those nations have in common
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: After those attacks that were based on government laws, they
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: had considerable increases of cancer spikes due to the use
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: of depleted uranium weapons. Now depleted uranium continue just to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: share me as as the asvestors can kill you. So
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: they've been outspreading this stuff all over the place. But
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: it's the justifications for the attack, Well, that's based on
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a hib that's a war crime, that's an illegal war
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: of agression and even in your country. Tony Blair after
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: two thousand and three, right, Chilcot report deemed him a
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: war criminal and they said he should be put before
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the SEC. They haven't done it yet, but I've always
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: said after that Chilcot report came out, well, if mister
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Chilcott says Tony Blair was a war Cameron by Infrance,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: so is George of your Bush.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So there's no misunderstanding from our worldwide audience. We're talking
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: about nine to eleven here, and of course we're talking
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: about the US government and the US security services, but
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we have absolutely seen the same pattern of lawys and
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: involvement complicity with UK and Western government and intelligence services.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So this is not something which is simply a problem
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of the US, because it's a problem that's also existed
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in this country. For instance, if we come on to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: some detail, Carl and I thought the best way of
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: dealing with this was just to do a summary of
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the key events and chronology that you put together. So
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I've got a number of slides to take us through
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: what I felt were key points to do with the
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: World Trade Center, both before, during and after. Number one
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: here you're talking about nineteen eighty seven for the first
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: flagging up of the asbestos risk concerned with WTC. In
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, the Boord Authority put forward the lawsuit
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: about their asbestos liability. Can you just explain that a
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: little bit. I take it that they had discovered they've
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: got buildings with asbestos in and they were trying to
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: offload the financial and insurance risk onto somebody else. Is
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that the way it was.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Working exactly, But it was also during the eighties when
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the courts around the world were handing down colossal judgments
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: against as bests at best, the suppliers at bestess mining company,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So the timing of their lawsuit was
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: because all was changing. You had to get an environmental
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: impact statement. Even by building finance a building build a building,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you had to make sure that the site was not
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: a toxic waste dump, so that the entire attitude towards
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: environmental damages and environmental risk was changing at the same time.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Older in the.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Mini right, Okay, thank you for that. Now number three
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, this is where we've got asbestos running,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: but now we've got something else happening geopolitical but also
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: large scale oil and gas exploration. In nineteen ninety two,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: gas exploration rights were awarded to the Argentinian firm Brydas
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: in Eastern Ministan. This is the starting point for some
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: really incredible politics and actions by the US government. So
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: put that nineteen ninety two gas exploration into context.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Well, immediately you already had Unicount, and you had the
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Zami Calizad, who was the They described him as the
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Butcher of Bosnia. He was a busy in Bosnia. He
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: was also busy off your lobbying for Uncount. But another
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: company popped up. It's called Delta Oil. When when we
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: dug into who that is, that whole Delta Oil group
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: is co owned. There's two men that owned him, but
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: one of the co owners is Osama and Lawden's brother
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: in law, and they're over there trying to get control
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: of the Caspian Basement pipeline and as many oil and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: gas leases as they can get. So, like I said,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the same names keep popping up over and over again.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Then when the interference had reached the point to where
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Redos was being harmed, that's when they filed the lawsuit
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: in Fort ben Texas. Because Reredos versus Unical and Delta
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Oil OWL and that goes back to Sandy Berger. Calazade
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: was doing whatever Clinton told him to do all during
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the nineties, so you know he was over a lobbying
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: for Unicoun, which was a big Clinton back.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: We've got some more key events in the chronology. So
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three you've covered that we had the North
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Tower bombing, and of course FBI implicated in that. Correct
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong on this. The FBI were working
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: with people from overseas, in particular the Middle East. So
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the terrorists who were planning that bomb attack had come
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: from Middle East countries, yes.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, but they were actually in the in the United States.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: You know, whether it was weak or illegal, I don't know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: but you know, these the Islamic people who were considered
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: to be fairly radical, they were in the US and
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the FBI was aiding and are bedding then credit bar
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: work traits center one.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: If we look at the chronology again, nineteen ninety five,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: and this is what you'd mentioned. A few moments ago,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Bride US and Delta Oil get involved in a lawsuit
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the value of which was fifteen billion US dollars. So
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: this is not some idle squabble. This is absolutely a
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: major battle between these two And if I say what
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: my understanding is, you correct me. Briders had spent a
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: lot of time working with local countries, countries on the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: ground in order to be able to explore for and
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: extract oil and gas. And having done all of that
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: preparatory work, American companies of which Deltroil was one, came
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: in with the support of the US government to effectively
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: take that exploratory work away and to pull the ground
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: out from pull the ground out from under them.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what they did. First of the lawsuit
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: was found in Texas, it was dismissed. They found an
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: appeal at the dismiss Then they came back is what's
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: called an International Chamber of Commerce, as I say, the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: other ICC. They got an ICC arbitration award a four
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five million. The defendants went running to
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: the US District Court in Houston twice trying to vacate it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: In two times at the US Fifth Circuit US Court
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: of Appeals, the das ICC award was upheld, but it
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: took him until two thousand and six to get that
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: four hundred ninety five million Brian That was basically reimbursement
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: of costs that they had already occurrened to get Turkmenistan,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: get those two oil and gas plants developed, get Afghanistan
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: in the Taliban to sign a contract with them, and
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: also in Pakistan. They had the whole deal soda until
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the interference started.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: This is a key point that the Argentinian company bright
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: ass had worked completely lawfully in a commercial sense to
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: engage with overseas countries in order to be able to explore,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: search for oil and gas and ultimately extract it. And
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: here we can see in the chronology that in nineteen
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: ninety six bride Us that actually signed an agreement with
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the Taliban and General Rashid Dostum for that trans Afghanistan pipeline. This,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I think will be of a huge surprise to many
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: people that anybody would be working with the Taliban, because
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: of course we've been told time and time again that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the Taliban are simply international terrorists, and yet here in
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six bride Us is demonstrating that the Taliban
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: were effectively working in a political sense in connection with
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: new exploration projects and extraction of oil and gas. Just
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the importance of Afghanistan
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in the pipeline project that the Argentinian company was trying
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to get into place.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: A terrain you can't go further to the east and
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: come through Pakistan. You have to go through Afghanistan. There's
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: a series of valleys through there. They're negotiable. Until the
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: United States changes their policies towards Iran, They're not going
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: to be allowed to come due south across Iran. And
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Brados was also building pipelines across Iran. You know, they
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: got along with them fine, but Afghanistan has the that
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: was the keystone. You know, they have the absolute perfect
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: position to get that Askabat Toministan through Afghanistan, through a
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: part of Pakistan to a place called Gwadar, Pakistan that
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: is a port city. And then this is just an
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: aside I found out of about two thousand and four.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: The George Bush Donny Blair knew that they had been checkmated.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: In two thousand and two when China and Pakistan signed
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: the belt road deal called SEEPEK, which is China Pakistan
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Economic Corridor, they took the port away from them. They
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: didn't have any post to go and I've been asking
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: an American and I said, you know, when you start
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: looking at all these details, why did they stay for
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: twenty more years when they knew they'd been blocked?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, nineteen ninety seven. It's hotting up. It's getting really
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: serious because we've got Unical and Delta Royal and the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: US government. So the US government backing perhaps not surprisingly
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the US companies, but they are doing everything they can
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: to undermine that Taliban and Broyder steal. What sort of
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: things did the US government and those companies get up
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: to to try and destabilize the deal?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Well, first, they, like I said, they had Zalmi Kalazide
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: over there during the Clinton administration lobbying for Unicalities within
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan itself. There was a lot of pressures put on them,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: you know, to opt out and oh, don't go with
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: don't go with the Argentine company, go with us. And
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Bush was pushing that his ways. August two thousand and one,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: he was still threatening that you'll either hand it over
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: to us or we're coming after you. So yeah, I
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: mean all those little bits and pieces they were at
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: for the pipeline. Now, let me say this about nine
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: to eleven. This is a piece of that story that
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: most people don't know. Who set up the meeting with
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Wherey Silverstein was actually the New York Branch office Field
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: office of the Secret Service. They set the meeting up
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: with bomb experts supposedly to defend and his building for
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: terror attack and bombing. But his building came down that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: same day in a controlled demolition, so it was already
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: required to come down. But then after nine eleven, the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Secret Service and the bomb experts stayed there for three
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: more days looking for undetonated bombs in the World Trade
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Center towers because Bush was coming to town to point
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: the finger of playing that you've on.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Me absolutely follow you and holds that analysis there. Let's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: just get back into the chronology, which is going to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: take us back to nine to eleven. Of course, because
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: we got the turbulence in nineteen ninety seven, it's getting
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: really dirty and nasty as the US tries to undermine
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: the Taliban and the Brightest Deal. And then in nineteen
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: ninety eight you point out that that's when Clinton attacks Afghanistan.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: So Afghanistan is not doing what the Americans want, it
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: seems to me, and the result is that the Clinton
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Administration ops the ante and says we're going to show
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: you that we mean business. So an excuse is made
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: for an attack on Afghanistan. This is this is bully
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: boy tactics.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, it's well what they used to call it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: gunboat diplomacy, you know, just pull up off your shore
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: and start starts showing you gun boat deplomacy. Especially what
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: was doing. Bush was after the same thing. And it's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: an endless cycle. And it's also it's like I said earlier,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: these are illegal wars. They're creating these wars based on lacts.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: There was no threat. They're just going to try to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: take over resources and muscle people out of the way.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: We've got January two thousand and one, George W. Bush
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: and should be Cheney sworn in. And then I thought
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: this was very significant piece of information from because we
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: had Spring two thousand and one, the US Army tenth
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Mountain Division prepares for invasion Afghanistan. How did you discover
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: this information?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Two ways. I had friends in the Pentagon that told
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: me what was going on, and I also know some
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: people personally that their sons had been called up for
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: duty for that purpose. When they came home to my
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Christmas or or Thanksgiving. They were telling their families what
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: it is they were getting ready to do.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Now, I really paused and read and reread when I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: came across this little statement in the information that you
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: sent through, and that was that in spring and sent
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Coom General the US General Tommy Franks. He actually made
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: a slip. He was asked a question in front of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: cameras and stated that the US primary mission in Afghanistan
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: was quote the pipeline and access to the region's resources.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: How did you spot that very significant slip?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Was still collaborating with nine to eleven truth, And there
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: were some people It's boring to me, I hate to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: watch c spans, but there were people that would keep
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: it turned on all the time if anything looked like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: it might have something to do with nine to eleven,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: might have something to do with it, understand terrorism stuff
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: like that. They actually got a copy of that and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: send it to me. And when I was robbed in
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Berwin on December second, twenty eleven, that video in that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: head would actually hit or Trade Center South Tower and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: that video with Franks were taken. What I still have
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: the still photos.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: We've got the US military on the move the clear
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: target is afghanist On. Let's just look at what else
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: was happening around that asbestos lawsuit, and thank you very
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: much for pointing this out towards Carl. So we've got
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: May two thousand and one, the Port Authority of New
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: York and New Jersey lose the asbestos lawsuit that's in
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the US District Court Newark. And July two thousand and one,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Lucky Larry Silverstein and the Australian real estate developer Frank
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Loewie sign a ninety nine year lease on the asbestos
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: played World Trade Center. This is all pretty incredible when
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: you see all of this, these events and the detail
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: maneuvering around the World Trade Center. We've got oil pipelines
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: worth trillions ultimately in oil and gas deals. We've got
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: problems with the buildings themselves in relation to asbestos. We've
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: got failings of the US Security services with regard to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: earlier terrorist threats nineteen ninety three in this case. And
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: then it's all becoming a bit convenient that there's actually
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: the massive attackle the World Trade Central nine to eleven.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Let me say this, there was something else going on
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: against the Taliban, and this was during two thousand and one,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Delta Oil, the Saudi group that was involved in Lawson,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: teamed up with Unical. They were offering the tableban like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: one hundred million a year, just please sign the contract
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: with us and get the hell out of our way,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: and the Taliban said, no, We've already made a commitment
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: to this company. So that was going on older in Bush,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: kind of of the ante like in August two thousand,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: where is that you're either going to do the deal
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: with us or you know we're coming after you, and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the threatening military military intervention, and then the other thing
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: that make sure we don't miss on this. Two days
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: before September eleventh, the most powerful war ward and the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: most feared war ward in interstand was assassinated. It already
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: told Bush he wasn't welcome to step foot in Afghanistan.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: And then the very next day, on the tenth, was
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: when James Dorian and the Oil and Gas Journal was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: talking about what a mother would of oil and gas.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: This is, you know, over the over in the Caspian basement.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I have a little bit of detail here to do
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: with the major players around these oil and gas details. Now,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: these are obviously slides that you've kindly sent through to US,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: but you've you've labeled them with regard with respect to
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the individual country it's involved. So in this case it's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Kazakhstan players and then you've got including bribe. So some
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: really deep, dirty stuff was going on. Can you give
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: us a little bit of explanation about some of these companies,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: because there's there's so many of them. We've got a Moco,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: We've got Amarada Hess, We've got Chevron, Excellent Mobile, may
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: of brown Row and more. From the US side. Not
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: as simple as just one or two companies involved.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Even ge was involved. Were there want to sell these
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: people natural gas electric generators, you know, because they have
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: all this natural gas. It was just kind of a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: the way I kind of worked. It almost was like
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  Speaker 2: a sharp beating princy. As soon as the USSR went away,
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  Speaker 2: these people went rushing over there to Kazakhstanstan, Turkmenistan to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that they had their foot in the door
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  Speaker 2: and oh, here's the wealthy USA will make this happen
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  Speaker 2: for you. But at every turn, you know that they
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  Speaker 2: kept believing that a key thing you got to have
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  Speaker 2: a pipeline to get into an ocean. Period.
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  Speaker 1: In the statement, and the key difficulty for America was
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have friendships with the countries they needed to
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  Speaker 1: have in order to be able to use their sovereign
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  Speaker 1: territory to run the US pipelines exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, after the Afghan Soviet Afghan War nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, the United States was not welcome up
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  Speaker 2: there anymore. They just kind of assumed that they were,
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  Speaker 2: but they weren't. And the Taliban been a very hard
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  Speaker 2: ran against the US. They don't like how the US
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  Speaker 2: does things.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just pop the Kazakhstan one back because the thing
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  Speaker 1: that you pointed out to people is how dirty it was.
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  Speaker 1: So in the right hand column, maybe a little bit small,
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  Speaker 1: So I'll just focus people in on this. You've got
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  Speaker 1: BP A Moco, Baker and Box two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 1: four A Moco implicated in bribery scandal, Phillips Petroleum two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and three, implicated in bribery scandal, Chevron Texico two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and four implicated in bribery scandal. So, as you say,
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  Speaker 1: this was very dirty stuff going on here, and if
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  Speaker 1: it was commercial activity, it was unlawful even in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what they could get away with.
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  Speaker 2: At the time.
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  Speaker 1: And the next block that you put up with a
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  Speaker 1: major as Bekistan players, and we've got Mayor Brown here
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  Speaker 1: at the top, including a joint office with Enron, and
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two Enron exec as play guilty
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  Speaker 1: to California charges El Paso to charges against energy trading pending.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit more about these
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  Speaker 1: companies or was it just more of the same, more
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  Speaker 1: dirty commercial deals in Zbekistan?
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  Speaker 2: What those energy companies were doing, they were fleecing the
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  Speaker 2: state of California by price fixing on the on the
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  Speaker 2: race that they were selling them power, and all of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: a sudden, out of the bloom, the ones that were
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  Speaker 2: the least find, not the heaviest, fine, the least find
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're over there and they're buying
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  Speaker 2: up energy generation plants in Pakistan. These are US companies,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they don't have plants in Mexico or s Brazil,
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  Speaker 2: but all of a sudden they're involved all the way
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  Speaker 2: over in Pakistan. A lot of this stuff is like
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  Speaker 2: a flashing red light. Keep watching what these people are
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  Speaker 2: really young.
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  Speaker 1: In the table Onbekistan at the bottom, and you've got
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  Speaker 1: reference to a book shirt and two Israeli Foreign Trade
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  Speaker 1: Risk Insurance Group. And then your comment is that falls
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  Speaker 1: US and Israeli interest in Islamic nation and an almost
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  Speaker 1: immediate surge in terrorism. Were outraged. What are you describing there?
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  Speaker 2: When it got out that the Israeli finance corporation was
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  Speaker 2: involved in that shirtan too project the Muslim people, because
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Israel hates Muslims, they pissed a bit. They had all
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: kinds of problems. There was big riots and damage. That
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  Speaker 2: was one of those things where I'd already learned to
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  Speaker 2: pay attention to the news going on in other countries,
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  Speaker 2: especially in that particular area. You know what's going on
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  Speaker 2: in that particular area because I knew what Bush was
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  Speaker 2: after in Turkmenistan.
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  Speaker 1: We've got really it's the same sort of thing going on,
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  Speaker 1: but slightly different, but generally the same. Chevron Texico two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and four Condaleza Rice as a super tanker named
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  Speaker 1: for her or after her. She was obviously in a
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  Speaker 1: pretty influential place.
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  Speaker 2: Then, well, she was in the first Bush administration. She
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  Speaker 2: was a national security advastor she was Secretary of State.
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  Speaker 1: Second, we've got BP and MOCO two thousand and four
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  Speaker 1: involved in the California energy pricing scam, but they got
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: away with a light fine. And then you've got you know, Curl,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Delta Petroleum and their Saudi partners. They are working together
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  Speaker 1: and obviously still trying to get hold of that trans
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  Speaker 1: Afghan pipeline. We've got Mayor Brown and Platte two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three, the Turbman governments signed up with bride Ass
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  Speaker 1: but then renegade on that as a result of the
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  Speaker 1: influence by these other companies. So it does seem in
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  Speaker 1: the timeline that you put together here, these US companies
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: were slowly but surely starting to undermine the work of
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  Speaker 1: bride Ass in the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they still had to have that backline headed south,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, here we are over twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: years later, they still don't have a pipeline across there.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't. Now it was announced the Turk Ministan
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  Speaker 2: instead of being the tap backline Trans Afrighanistan backline Tap,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: now it's Tappy tapr as Turk Ministan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.
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  Speaker 2: They have joined forces to get their backline done. US
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  Speaker 2: is not invited, US is not invited.
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  Speaker 1: And Pakistan, it seems, is being used as a facilitating
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  Speaker 1: company to help on the US side. Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: They tried it. I know during the Clinton administration, the
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  Speaker 2: US battery of Pakistan. He was urging Prime Minister of
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Bhutto to go with Unicow and she was offended because
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: they had already signed the deal with Redunce. He was,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: you know, slumming around with her, trying to get hurt
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: back in the count too.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got a couple couple of maps here just
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  Speaker 1: to set the scene. And these are to deal with
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  Speaker 1: the Russian border states I will call them. It's got
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Georgia and azerbai John And basically you've said that the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: wars that took place in these areas were also predicated
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: on the back of George Bush's Plan B pipeline.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. He had been completely blocked from coming to Afghanistan Pakistan.
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  Speaker 2: Things were a quadmire up in Turkmenistan because China had
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: stepped in and was partnered with Bridas s CNC. They
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: were going to build the longest pipeline I think in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the world, all the way to China from Bredasa's always
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: is over there. So Bush had to find another way
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: to get out, and they attacked South Osetia. I know
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: the whole story of the war games they had in
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: July in two thousand and eight, and then on August
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the eighth, they attacked these people right it for midnight,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: killed over twenty two hundred Russian passport holders. Because South
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  Speaker 2: Osetia is only like twenty kilometers away from the pipeline
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: bush morning, he was hoping he could take over the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: there's a tunnel from South Osetia to north of Secia,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: which is inside Russian Federation, and used the Caucasia's mountains,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: as you know, as a means for Russian enough in
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: him to bring armor to do things that.
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  Speaker 1: This one here is what i'll called the White Stream
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: route options. And the comment here is that the White
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Stream pipeline was promoted by George Soros and also visit
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Georgia being involved a part of the planned route to
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  Speaker 1: Crimea or Romania.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Sourus was over there just waiting for worst of
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: BALI get something done. Your mission accountlish so he could
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  Speaker 2: do that pack by there, and you can see by
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: the prograph where it's going.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now, Carl, I'm going to say that this probably
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: brings us to the a natural break point and I'm
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: going to say to the audience, we say this is
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: the end of part one and we'll open up with
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: part two, having a look at more detail really around
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: the nine to level events themselves and what some of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: the implications are. So we'll just we'll say to you,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining the UK column for
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: part one, and I'm sure our viewers and listeners will
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: be really enthusiastic about you coming back with us to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: do part two, Carl, because there is so much to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: talk about. But for me, you've really opened my mind
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: up to these events swirling around nine to eleven, which
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: start to explain how these incredible events in New York
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to how they took place and what was really driving them.
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  Speaker 2: You probably know this since you have a military background
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: British Navy. Chaos. Chaos is intentional. People create chrs so
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: they can get things done without other people really realizing
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: what they're really at. And like you know, just because
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: I wrote that book when I got over to Europe,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: US actions directed against me. They have already screwed me
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: out of two point three b and in project financing
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: that I arranged from that company. The United States starting
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: on everybody at the same and you know, we would
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: have been a lost years ago and we would have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: already turned tens of billions and revenues and profits. But
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: for the United States, you know, this has been a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: very personal battle between Bush family and Meat and then
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: when the Clintons got in power. I'm I'm I'm no
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: ally of the Clintons, and I'm also not an ally
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: of Barack Obama. So it's it's been a long road
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: for me, but we have the facts and we're trying
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: to find some way to get this thing brought into
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: the courts where we can nail these people to the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: world with the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Col Thank thank you very much. I'm just say thank
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: you very much for joining me for this part one.
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  Speaker 1: S