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Lessons in Life + Love with Molly Sims: How to Get Unstuck + Dating, Friendship, Modeling Stories, Favorite Beauty Tricks, and Creating a Life You Love · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe, and each week my guests
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  Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on pretty.
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  Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. Today we're getting lessons in life
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  Speaker 1: and love with Molly Simms. Mollie Simms is a supermodel, actress, author, producer,
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  Speaker 1: and host of the podcast Lipstick on the Rim. As
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  Speaker 1: a model, she was in campaigns for major brands like
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Chew and Chanelle. She walked the runway for Victoria's Secret,
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  Speaker 1: the streets of nearly every European country, and remember when
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  Speaker 1: she wore that million dollar bra for Sports Illustrated. Then
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  Speaker 1: she segued into acting, something not very many people were
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  Speaker 1: able to do at the time. She was traveling the world, working, adventuring,
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  Speaker 1: and one day she decided she needed to slow down
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  Speaker 1: because she wanted to date, to find a husband, to
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  Speaker 1: have a family. It would be easier to list off
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  Speaker 1: her accomplishments, but today we're talking about what happened between
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  Speaker 1: the dashes on her resume, like body dysmorphia from modeling,
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  Speaker 1: how working for free changed her life. She gives us
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  Speaker 1: her advice on dating, marriage, getting unstuck in your life.
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  Speaker 1: Her must have beauty and skincare products and she shares
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  Speaker 1: how she believes you can create the life that you want. So, Molly,
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  Speaker 1: you are from Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: I am from Kentucky, good old bluegrass state.
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  Speaker 1: And I heard you in another interviews that you got
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  Speaker 1: to live all over the world, but now you're in
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  Speaker 1: La So I wanted to know what was the most
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  Speaker 1: Kentucky thing about you and what is the most Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: thing about you.
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  Speaker 2: The most Kentucky thing about me is that I am
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  Speaker 2: a true lover of biscuits. I love biscuits, I love butter.
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  Speaker 2: I love a strawberry butter, which that's for another time
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  Speaker 2: and place. I love chicken and dumplins. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: was brought up with a lot of aunts and uncles
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  Speaker 2: and family and just sitting around and talking and traditions,
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  Speaker 2: and that is one very Kentucky to visit to talk
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  Speaker 2: to chat Hollywood thing about me. Look, the convenience of
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  Speaker 2: living in a big city. It would be hard for
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  Speaker 2: me to go back to not having that. And also
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  Speaker 2: just especially living now in California, having the mountains and
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  Speaker 2: the beach and the sun.
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  Speaker 1: So I was so excited to learn this. You were
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  Speaker 1: a poly Sci major at Vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 2: I was a poly side. I wanted to go into politics.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be a lawyer. I wanted to go
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  Speaker 2: into political law. I spent a summer on the hill.
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  Speaker 2: I am really good at a debate. And even I
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  Speaker 2: know this is a lot of people can't. They probably
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  Speaker 2: won't believe me. But I am a lover of news,
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  Speaker 2: so I know I always have been.
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  Speaker 1: Do you still keep up with politics? Like, are you
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  Speaker 1: interested in it?
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  Speaker 2: I am. I won't tell you which way I am,
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  Speaker 2: but I am, Yeah, I am.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very much as centrist. I'm neither a hardcore liberal
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  Speaker 2: or a hardcore Republican. I'm pretty much in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are I think, but
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  Speaker 2: I do. I love both sides of an argument of
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  Speaker 2: a situation, and I think that's why I love the
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  Speaker 2: law so much, you know, whether from the prosecution side
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  Speaker 2: of it or the defense side. I love seeing both arguments.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you know. I'm a lover of all like
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  Speaker 2: crime a podcast like I love getting in there and
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  Speaker 2: I know it sounds weird.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you dropped out of college.
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  Speaker 2: I graduated from Murray High and then I went on
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  Speaker 2: to go to Vannerbilt, and then just when I probably
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  Speaker 2: accidentally they let me in, I got an opportunity. After DC.
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  Speaker 2: I went back for my sophomore year, and right before
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  Speaker 2: my junior year, I got asked to come to New
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  Speaker 2: York and to kind of see what this world was
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  Speaker 2: all about. And at that time that summer, I made
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  Speaker 2: the decision that I was just going to take one
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  Speaker 2: semester off and then I would be back.
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  Speaker 1: I have one hundred questions, how did your mom and
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  Speaker 1: dad feel?
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  Speaker 2: My mom and dad were always very on me about education.
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  Speaker 2: They really felt. I mean, my dad was in the
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  Speaker 2: hostel book business. In his accounts were colleges and universities
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  Speaker 2: all over the South, so I grew up with the
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  Speaker 2: importance of going to college. My brother at the time
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  Speaker 2: was about to turn pro and I think they were
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  Speaker 2: kind of shocked, but I think that I had wanted
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  Speaker 2: to go and I'd wanted to do it, and I
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  Speaker 2: think we all literally thought, it's just going to be
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  Speaker 2: a semester. I'm gonna get to go to Europe. I
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  Speaker 2: had actually gone to Europe my junior year in high
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  Speaker 2: school for a week and a half with a missus
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  Speaker 2: span on French trip and it was the first time
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  Speaker 2: I had ever gone to Europe, and I fell in
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  Speaker 2: love and I got to go to France. I got
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  Speaker 2: to go and visit a few regions in France and
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  Speaker 2: it was incredible. And my mom was so open and
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  Speaker 2: such a cheerleader, and she was like, you can do this,
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  Speaker 2: You've got this, it's what semester? Why not? And look
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  Speaker 2: she had all Look, I've been my height since I
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  Speaker 2: was in eighth grade. You know, it wasn't like she
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  Speaker 2: was sending a baby off. I was a junior in college.
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  Speaker 2: I always say this when people ask me about scarlet modeling.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I hope not. But the one thing that
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  Speaker 2: I people I think people don't understand is that I
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  Speaker 2: went to my prom, I went to my graduation from
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  Speaker 2: high school forgot or about it. I joined a sorority,
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  Speaker 2: I had a college experience like I didn't, just a
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  Speaker 2: normalcy and I didn't start working at fourteen. It's a
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  Speaker 2: big difference. Giselle and I we talked about that a
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  Speaker 2: little while ago, and how she had started so young,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hard the fact that she is so normal
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  Speaker 2: and kind and creative and just a badass mom is
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  Speaker 2: incredible to start that young because people don't realize that
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  Speaker 2: modeling is a business. It truly is. So I moved.
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  Speaker 2: I got the opportunity. I moved to New York. Then
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  Speaker 2: I moved to Germany. It was supposed to go to
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  Speaker 2: Greece and I ended up in Germany. They messed up
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, we're gonna sit you to Germany. And
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't realize that why
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  Speaker 2: models go to Europe is because they have the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to be ond a lot more magazines, a lot more
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  Speaker 2: in magazines. You could be on Spanish Vogue, Portuguese Vogue,
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  Speaker 2: you could be on Italian Vogue, French Vogue, English Vogue, Elle,
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  Speaker 2: all the different, you know, opportunities you have as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to coming back and just having a select few in
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  Speaker 2: the United States, which ultimately was really impossible to get
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  Speaker 2: without having a great book, which means like great tear sheets.
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  Speaker 1: How are you discovered? Like the stories of how people
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  Speaker 1: are found in modeling are always so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It happened, you know, in my sophomore year, I got
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  Speaker 2: advice to go and see a photographer in Memphis, Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: called Rick Day and it's funny. I was just cleaning
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  Speaker 2: out my childhood home and I found the original test
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  Speaker 2: pictures and they were sent to New York. And that
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  Speaker 2: was the summer that I got asked to come up there.
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  Speaker 2: I signed with Next Model Management with Faith Kites and
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  Speaker 2: Joel Wilkenfeld, and I've been with em and Lee Crystal
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  Speaker 2: for twenty seven years.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Still there's still your eight year modeling agents.
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  Speaker 2: Still my modeling agency. So it was difficult, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I went from eating chocolate chip cookie dough and dipping
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  Speaker 2: French fries and Wendy's frosty ice cream and being with
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  Speaker 2: a ton of people and navigating a college experience and
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  Speaker 2: mean girls and college life and the academics. That were
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  Speaker 2: really hard for me. But that was a different hard.
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  Speaker 2: I had my family close. I was somewhat good at
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  Speaker 2: navigating and pivoting and having a strong sense of self
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  Speaker 2: from a pretty young age. But I will say leaving
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  Speaker 2: that world, leaving that cocoon, even though I was two
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  Speaker 2: hours away at Vanderbilt in Nashville from Murray, leaving to
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  Speaker 2: Germany was even New York didn't seem as hard as
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  Speaker 2: it was to land in a country don't speak the
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  Speaker 2: language had your mother agency basically call you fat. You're
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  Speaker 2: never going to work. How are they going to get
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  Speaker 2: the money back. Had it not been for an American
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  Speaker 2: Express phone bill that my parents mustered up to pay
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  Speaker 2: for and my mom and my dad talking me through,
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  Speaker 2: it probably wouldn't I couldn't have made it. But she
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, just one more day. And she
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, we'll figure out what you can
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  Speaker 2: eat and what you can't eat and try to help me.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I was probably not the perfect size, but
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  Speaker 2: it just wasn't handled well. And my mom said, just
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  Speaker 2: give it two weeks. First of all, she's like, just
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  Speaker 2: give it till tomorrow. And then the next day she
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  Speaker 2: was like, just give it two more days. And then
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  Speaker 2: aldiate she's like, you know what, moll, I just give
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  Speaker 2: it two more weeks. She's like, if it not, we'll
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  Speaker 2: figure something out. Maybe you can go back to New
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  Speaker 2: York or go to a different And sure enough I
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  Speaker 2: started working in two weeks and I never stopped. It
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  Speaker 2: was German catalog. I started making money. I became pretty
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  Speaker 2: much like a catalog queen. It was amazing. It was
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  Speaker 2: hard work. I would go in dark, I would come
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  Speaker 2: out when it was dark, I didn't speak the language.
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  Speaker 2: I remember meeting a Polish girl and you would have
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  Speaker 2: thought she was We were sisters from another mother. We
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  Speaker 2: bonded in a thirteen seconds because we needed each other.
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  Speaker 2: But I look back at that time and I think,
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  Speaker 2: what resilience and what strength and what build of character
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  Speaker 2: that it made me.
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  Speaker 1: As you're talking about it, I can tell there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pain there too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it just brings up my mom
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  Speaker 2: and just you know, losing her and just such a
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  Speaker 2: cheerleader in my life. And I needed a real I
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  Speaker 2: needed a fucking squad at that moment. But she gave
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  Speaker 2: me so much strength then, you know, she believed in me.
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  Speaker 2: And I wrote this article the other day to a
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine, to a coach. I just said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I can count on one hand the people who believed
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  Speaker 2: in me who gave you that just one that one
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  Speaker 2: little speck of interest, and that changed your directory of
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  Speaker 2: your life, you know what I mean in that way.
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  Speaker 2: That's I will never take that for granted, even like
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  Speaker 2: as a forty eight year old woman, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. So, but those times were difficult. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that was probably one of the most difficult times in
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  Speaker 2: my life, just that transition of living in a foreign country,
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  Speaker 2: having the pressure of fitting in, of being in a business.
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  Speaker 2: I probably didn't really understand that expectation of oh, they
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  Speaker 2: don't really care what you say. They just want you
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  Speaker 2: to look a certain way and be a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: And so in that way, like, it was difficult, but
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  Speaker 2: it was crazy good at the same time of the
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  Speaker 2: foundation that I had built upon.
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  Speaker 1: It's so wild, the two I like opposite ideas that
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  Speaker 1: you hold it once. I feel so similarly to you
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  Speaker 1: when I moved to La. I was born in the Midwest,
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  Speaker 1: and it's exhilarating and so lonely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's the loneliest and.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine, like you said, a foreign country is
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  Speaker 1: a whole nother level of molly and scary.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there's.
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  Speaker 1: This conan interview of you online. Have you seen it
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube?
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  Speaker 2: Is it where I'm wearing you like this courset?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Like yep, oh yeah, you it was that. How old
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  Speaker 2: was I I don't even know how old I was.
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  Speaker 1: I think you were like twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: See, I mean I literally had done so much by
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  Speaker 2: that point. I know I had just.
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  Speaker 1: You were host. You had just hosted a major MTV
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  Speaker 1: Awards show. Yeah, and he was commenting on how hot
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  Speaker 1: you were.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like, on like some balcony or
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  Speaker 2: some yeah. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like nowadays, that would not have flown back then.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I love Conan. I've always been such a good fan.
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  Speaker 2: He was always great to me when I was young.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he can appreciate the hotness because I did
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  Speaker 2: look great at twenty five and I'm not gonna lie,
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  Speaker 2: you look great back. I'm like, thank you, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: But we always appreciate the before more than at the
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  Speaker 2: time of where we are right now. But yes, that
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  Speaker 2: was so crazy. It's funny. I always give women this
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  Speaker 2: and anyone probably listen to me, like, you could make
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  Speaker 2: your life what you want to make your life, Danielle
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  Speaker 2: I said yes a lot. I said yes, a lot
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  Speaker 2: more than no at that time in terms of like
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  Speaker 2: I was working with a piece of talent recently. I
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  Speaker 2: said to her, I go this opportunity, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: change your life. I don't know. It's not of money.
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  Speaker 2: It's like and I was like, but you're not understanding.
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  Speaker 2: You should beg them to do this for free. And
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  Speaker 2: it was such an odd moment at a forty eight
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  Speaker 2: year old woman because I knew this at twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: I knew this at twenty two, like I knew when
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  Speaker 2: someone was giving me an opportunity that maybe not would
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  Speaker 2: have changed my life, but it would got me one
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  Speaker 2: step closer, and then another one got me another step closer.
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  Speaker 2: And it was really interesting as a forty eight year
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  Speaker 2: old woman to sit there and talk to another woman
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  Speaker 2: about how like lucky and if you look at it
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  Speaker 2: on the other side, it was interesting that I realize
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  Speaker 2: at that moment, not everyone sees that. Not everyone sees
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  Speaker 2: those little minute, little things, those little bit of lucks
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  Speaker 2: that come your way, and you don't take advantage of them.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I still do.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if it's a Midwest mentality.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know either, but I see it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I have young journalists ask me questions and they're not
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  Speaker 1: willing to work for free, and it's just.
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  Speaker 2: My God, I still work for free. I'm forty eight.
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  Speaker 2: I'd still work for free. If I get an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: that I think, I'm like, you know what, fuck it,
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it. Let me see what I can do
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  Speaker 2: with it. Some of those opportunities have changed the trajectories
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  Speaker 2: of my life. Like I was saying before, you make
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  Speaker 2: what you want out of something. Use the opportunity just
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  Speaker 2: as much as someone's using you. Use it network, take advantage,
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  Speaker 2: go live in Europe. If someone's offering that, oh I can't,
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  Speaker 2: I you know, And yeah, I actually say no more now,
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  Speaker 2: but I say it for a different reason. And I
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  Speaker 2: always say the power of no is very powerful as well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, especially I think we learned during COVID that
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  Speaker 2: sometimes saying no is for me. It means that I'm
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  Speaker 2: more present with my family or you know, I'm more
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  Speaker 2: present with myself per se.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have different priorities now, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I still hate to let people down, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so I want to circle back to something.
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  Speaker 1: You were talking about how difficult it was to maintain
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  Speaker 1: self esteem when people were picking at your body.
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  Speaker 2: Just yeah, I mean everything was picked apart my hair color,
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  Speaker 2: my height. You're too tall, you're not tall enough, you're
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  Speaker 2: too blonde, you're too black. And in the first ten
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: years of my modeling career, I was jet black. I
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  Speaker 2: used to I didn't have enough money to get my
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: hair color till later, but I did declaire aal expresso
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  Speaker 2: box was lovely blue black. But your calves are too big.
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  Speaker 2: Your nose is crooked. Literally, I never knew I had
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  Speaker 2: a crooked nose until I started modeling. It was interesting
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  Speaker 2: until the photographer was like, can you just go a
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  Speaker 2: little bit to the left, And then then one was like,
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  Speaker 2: can you go a little bit to the right, And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I finally asked. I got, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the nerve up to ask a photographer after like the
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  Speaker 2: fifth week and they're like, well, your nose is crooked.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what it was crooked? I just no
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  Speaker 2: one had ever pointed it out, no one had ever
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  Speaker 2: cared so but it was interesting how those little things
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  Speaker 2: like shave off a little bit of your confidence. That
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  Speaker 2: was hard. I mean, there's no way I don't have
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  Speaker 2: some type of body dysmorphia. I won't weigh myself. I
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  Speaker 2: still get a little bit of a hot sweat when
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  Speaker 2: I have to do a big styling get ready for something,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a moment where I can't sit in a
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  Speaker 2: makeup chair too long, I can't sit I get anxiety
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  Speaker 2: a little bit from that. When I'm overworked, or especially
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  Speaker 2: when I'm really tired, that tends to like have a
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  Speaker 2: little coming up. But uh, by the time I ended
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  Speaker 2: up actually getting to hosting and acting, it's funny. I
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  Speaker 2: said to one of my agents, I'm like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is it okay if we give you feedback. I looked
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  Speaker 2: at my age and I was like, you can give
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  Speaker 2: me any feedback you ever want to in your entire life,
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  Speaker 2: because there is no amount of feedback that I have
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  Speaker 2: not heard.
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  Speaker 1: Worse.
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  Speaker 2: So, by the time I'd gotten to acting, with modeling,
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  Speaker 2: it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they touch on things that you have no I
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  Speaker 1: picked it over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good for acting, it was good. It
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  Speaker 2: made a really good shell to start from.
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  Speaker 1: Belahadide just did a whole article about how stressful it
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  Speaker 1: was for her to do the Victoria's Secret Fashion show.
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  Speaker 1: She said, and I'm paraphrasing, but her whole year revolved
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: around trying to be skinny enough for that show.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Oh God, I starved myself. I have a picture from
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: antiwan VERGLOSSI did a quick snapshot of me and my
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: wings backstage and blew it up for me and black
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and white. And I look at that picture and I'm like, oh,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: my God, how thin I was. Oh, and I'm to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: audition in your underwear And it was just so stressful
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: when I was modeling for the Catalog at that time,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and it just revolves around what you look like. And
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds superficial, but it was superficial, and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: it was awful to have to maintain something that almost impossible.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I never had a great metabolism, so for
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: me to be really thin, I really have to be
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: very disciplined.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard as a young person.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean who Yeah, I did some
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: crazy diets. I mean the South Beach Diet, the Cranberry diet,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the grapefruit diet, the Adkins diet, the I don't even
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: know banana honey molly diet, which I don't know what
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that would consist of eating rice cakes and banana and
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: honey all day. But anyway, Yeah, very stressful.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: When you see like Victoria's Secret rebrand does nothing.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Nothing makes me happier, Nothing makes me happier to have
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that inclusivity, to have that, you don't have to be
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: five foot eleven blonde and weigh one hundred and two
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: pounds to be beautiful or to be considered to be beautiful.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: You can be beautiful at any weight and any shape,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: in any color. It is not about what you look like.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And I wish to god I had had one year
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: of that, two years of that at thirty minutes of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that to feel that inclusivity that I feel that is
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: just starting. We're in just the beginning. But I'm proud
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: of the I'm proud of the beginning. And you also
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: can't have girls walking a Paris runway at fifteen years old.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: You just can't.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's also not okay. I feel PTSD
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: when I see the name Victoria's Secret because that show, like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: oh my, I remember everybody gathering in college to watch
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the show and I would lock myself in my room.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I couldn't watch it. And it's like that. So it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: so crazy to me.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it reminded probably of what you were going
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: through at the same time, of trying to try to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: be something or somebody that like it's almost unattainable.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: It's completely unattainable. Yeah, for people who are genetically sort
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I just I just read this article about and it
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: was so interesting. I literally just read it about anorexia
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and said it, oh, cases inorexia among teens age thirteen
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to sixteen jumped sixty five percent during the first wave
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of the pandemic. Wow, sixty five percent. That's hard. Instagram,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: social media, the comparisons. It's a wicked, tricky slope, it
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: really is. But I'm lucky to have had really good
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: foundation and morals. It doesn't mean to say that things
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: don't bother me. Now it bothered me in a different way.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It's kind of what I said about the no part.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, nope, I'm not doing that. No, No, I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to advocate for myself. And I think that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: one thing that as I've gotten older, don't mistake my
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: kindness for weakness.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about happy things now. Because I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was obsessed with Las Vegas, I would like I would
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: watch reruns of it even if I had seen the episode.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I loved that show. Was that your first foray into acting?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It was I'd done a little, like a few things
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: here and there. When I got the opportunity to take
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the job. They said it in the beginning, it was reoccurring, Oh,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: don't worry, it's never going to go This is great experience.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And at that time I was at the top of
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: my modeling career. I ten years or eight years. I'm like,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I have got this, like I am doing it. And
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: then right before it went to pilot for it to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: be picked up or not they asked. They were like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: it's a series regular or nothing, and I'm like, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: am now making money. I am winning over year. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: can't live in Los Angeles. Don't worry. It's never going
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to go well five years later. So talk about a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: gypsy that was not used to settling down with it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It was worth it. It was worth it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I saw that you started a production company, something happy, production,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: something happy. So, yeah, you like film, you like TV,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you like that world?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I do. I love I would be on a set
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: more if I didn't have three crazy children and a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: husband in the business, I would. I love acting, I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: love comedy, I love creating. I've got the producing bug.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Do you feel pressure at all to be happy? Because
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I heard you say that an ex boyfriend used to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: call you the light.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I'm very careful with people's energy. I do not like
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: bad energy. I don't like bad energy entering my home.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'm very yeah, I'm very weird about energy. I've always
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: heard people say oh you, it's such a good energy,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like my axes would say, like, you're such a happy light.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: You're like, I'm very much believe in the power of positivity.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: In the glass half full and you can make lemonade
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: out of lemons. Like I'm very much that way. Not
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in a weird like yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Not like toxic positivity.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: No, not like oh you go girl, No, But I'm
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a believer in all things positive. But I believe in positivity.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, sometimes I would date someone who
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: was like kind of dark and like, so yeah, of
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: course I was a light compared to them being so dark.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: But I did love a dead disease bird on the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: side of the road that I could change. That's the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: difference in your twenties and your forties.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So you've written three books. I kind of heard you're
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: writing your fourth.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Correct I My fourth has kind of become my podcast.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Certain things I'm keeping front of it that I will
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: probably share in a book one day. But we started
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: writing and I ended up taking parts of it in
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: segments of it and has slowly kind of unraveled onto
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the podcast. I've definitely learned a lot over the past
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: twenty five plus years through.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Dating really good advice. It's grounded, it's real. I really
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like hearing your perspective. I had three sort of advice questions.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Can I throw them at you? And this is me
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: asking for a friend, But maybe I'm asking for me,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So you said in another interview, I was stuck in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: my twenties and thirties for different reasons. How do you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: get unstuck? I actually just said to my friend the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: other day, I feel stuck.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: It's funny. That's one of the book titles I was
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: looking about. It's called unstuck. It's hard. It's hard to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: be stuck. What's worse is the worst thing about being
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: stuck is that you're in neutral. You're not going back
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and you're not going forward, and it's a really hard
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: place to be. It's physically in a minut You got to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: take a real look of what's making you happy and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: what's making you not and what's kind of just ugh.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I used to say to myself my late twenties early thirties,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: well it's meant to be, Well, what's just meant to be?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's going to be meant to be. No, that's just
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: something you tell yourself to make yourself feel better. About
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the situation. I think you have to be clear of
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: what you want, and I had it happen to me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I've loved a lot of people I've been with, great men,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I really have. I mean some I want to shoot
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and murder, but I still love them deep down. But
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have married them when I think it's depending
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: on if it's you're talking about dating, if you have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to ask the real questions, because who you date and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: who you marry they're different. They're just different. They're different.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: They're different lists that you need to check off. No
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: person is going to check off every list. I can
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: tell you that we're not going to check every box.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: But you really have to take a pause and question
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: why are you Why do you feel stuck? You feel
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: stuck in your body? Is it you feel like you're
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: not eating right, drinking too much? Like just your overall
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: wellness and a relationship with friends out of bad toxic
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: couple friendships that were so difficult. I mean that was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: even that hurt me more than breaking up with a boyfriend.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, friend, we actually don't talk about female friendship enough.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think I know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in it. I'm a big believer
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in you got to deposit in the bank. It can't
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: just be about the other person, or it can't just
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: be about you. You got to take on us, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you gotta call that person up and say, hey, how
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: are you, how's it going, do you need anything? Oh
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: my god, I was just thinking about you. Yeah, And
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: we all have different friendships for you know that serve
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: different reasons. But it's hard to be stuck, and sometimes
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: to get unstuck, you're gonna have to do things you
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: probably don't want to do.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I heard you talk about finding love in your thirties,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and you had such a precise and honest look. You
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: were yet setting and you were just like, Okay, now
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in LA and meet someone.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was tired. I mean after fifteen years,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I was like I cannot keep running. And I would
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: always like run back to New York if anything went
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: wrong with like with a guy, or I had to
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: set my ass down. I had to like be in
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: one place and I had to date. And I hated dating.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I hated the thought of dating. I wasn't comfortable. I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: just I was awkward at it. I would have a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: beer and some with someone and then be with them
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: five years later, you know what I mean? Or like,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I was not good at dating and I had to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: make a choice of didn't want a career or didn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: want a family. And it wasn't that cut and dry,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: but it felt like it at the time. It felt
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: like all my friends were getting married and having kids
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't. And I woke up one day and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want a baby, I want a husband,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: like I want a family, And it was I went
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to a therapist and she helped me. She was like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you gotta settle. You can't keep running.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Do you look back and feel thankful that you did?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I look back and feel thankful that I trusted my gut.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I look back and I feel thankful that I listened
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to what I really wanted as opposed to just doing
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: what everybody thought I should do.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's really powerful and hard.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I went to see a fertility doctor
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: when I was thirty five. I'm like, I want to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: have a baby. I don't know when, I don't know
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: with who. That was really hard. Doctor Gadeir and I.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: He's actually on a podcast on Dear Media. You guys
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: should follow him. He's hilarious. But I went in there
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to see him, and you know, at the time, I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: was like, I just want to freeze eggs, and he
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: was like, I know, but it's not that great to
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: freeze eggs, and you want to think about embryos, and like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: we can find you someone. Don't worry. I'm like, you
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: just stop typing right there. I'm like, look at my face.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I still got it. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna find someone.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: This is very depressing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: How long did you do the whole life I'm going
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to date? How long did that take before you met
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: your husband?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I got out of a bad relationship that I was in.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I was in a really important relationship in my early
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: thirties late twenties that I loved. I loved him, I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: still love him in a very good, sweet, honest way.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I was so upset and so tired and so like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I was just done so and then I had ended
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: up dating someone dumb that was way too young for me,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and I just not a bad person, but just the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: wrong timing, the wrong just everything was wrong. So it
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: took me forever to get out of that. I was
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: so upset about the relationship the one before and that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just going to date, and so
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I slowly started dating and that really helped me. I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: dated this one guy named Gus. He was great, he
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was Southern, fabulous, got me out of something and just
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: gave me confidence and then handed up breaking up with me.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But I know I loved him for a second and
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: he was great, and he served the exact we actually
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: laughed about it not too long ago. Served the exact
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: purpose he was supposed to serve. Yeah, and that I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: was forever grateful because it's what you kind of said,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it's hard to get out of things.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: It is that stuckness is real.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: It's stuck. It's real.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: So you tell this great story on your own podcast,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Lipstick on the Rim, about how you were very patiently
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: waiting to get proposed to and you went to South
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Africa and you thought this is the moment, and then
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: your husband did not propose. I've heard mixed reviews. Some
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: people say you should put the pressure on. Some people
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: say why would you want to pressure somebody to marry you.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: What is your take on this?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean I knew we were gonna get married.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was going to be Africa Okay,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: so let's be very clear. I'd my nails done every
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: single day for seven days. Do you know how difficult
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that is when you didn't have a curlic at that moment?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Incredible?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no I knew, but I just thought, like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, to question your at Okay, I know
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: what you're going. I know where we're going. Africa. If
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: anybody says Africa to me, I just have a hold
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a special place of a non engagement. Okay, should you
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: pressure someone to get married or not? There is not
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: one clear cut answer that I can say. Every situation
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: is different. But if a guy after a certain number
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: of years is not ready and you are, then you
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: have to think about you and talking someone into getting married.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: There's not It's not really pretty. And as your podcast
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: is named pretty Smart, it's not pretty smart because if
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you do end up talking them into it, maybe, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you should never feel like you're talking anyone into anything.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You know. Nick Vile is really great to listen to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: as well, because when guys are ready, they're ready, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: when they're not, they're not. My husband was hot and awesome,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: dated the world, and when he was ready, he was ready.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Cab light was on thiscab light was on, and if
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: it wasn't meant to be, it wasn't meant to be.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It's kind of what I said, You kind of talk
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: yourself into saying that at different times in your life,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: but sometimes if you walk away, it doesn't work. It
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be. It wasn't supposed to work. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: also different timing is for everything, Like sometimes it's not
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: about the other person. Sometimes it's just literally about timing.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you guys just celebrated ten years.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Ten years, ten years of three babies later. We were busy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: You were busy. But I will say I waited and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I found the absolute perfect person. I mean he's not perfect,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but he's.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: My perfect for you. So that was my question. How
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: did you know?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't in the beginning, But then one day I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: was like might I can't see my life without him?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And he gave me a Lakers T shirt and it
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: was his like famous Lakers old, like twenty year old
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: T shirt, and I was like, oh my god, I
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: love him and I love this T shirt.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And what did the T shirt mean to you? Why
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the T shirt?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Because the T shirt was like he will never get
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: rid of this Lakers T shirt. I was like, why
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: do you need this Lakers shirt? Like I was helping
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: him with it, and he goes, it's my special Lakers
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: T shirt. I was like, no one gets my Lakers
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: T shirt. And then he brought it to New York
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: when we were dating, and he's like, I bought you something,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and he was like, I'm going to give you my
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Lakers T shirt. I was like, if I could love you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that means he was never going to get rid
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: of you either.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: There you go, So yeah. I mean, I just we're
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: very similar in I suber we very I mean, I'm
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: much more emotional and he's much more like level headed.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: But we both I'm very much business, which I think
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: he likes, even though like he always didn't like me
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: telling him what to do, but are helping him make
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a decision. But at the end of the day, he
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: respects me and he respects my advice, and I so
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: much respect is And he's a great father, Like he's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: so present. He'll be the dad changing into a tux
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: at a basketball game, you know what I mean. He's
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the dad who woke up at three o'clock in the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: morning to take a plane to introduce a movie that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: he had, Leo and Jennifer Lawrence and all these amazing
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: pieces of talent who adore him, and like, he flew
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: there one day, twelve hours to make them happy and
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: then flew right back to make his son happy. And
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: no one does that, no one, No one travels, you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: he does. He makes the effort, and he loves what
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: he does. And he's in a incredible guy. He really is.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And he's got great taste too. Like in film and
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: talk about someone who works really hard, he really he
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: works really hard.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I can tell you really admire him, which I think
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is such a nice quality.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I do. He drives me crazy though sometimes, like honestly,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hate a snoring. The other day and
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, you have got to leave this room
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: or stop drinking red run Okay, I'm like, you are
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: driving me crazy. I'm like, between you and we've got
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to reathing the situation. Boo.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So lipstick in the m if you had to point
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: people to one episode if they haven't listened yet, oh.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Lord, oh my god, lipstick on the rim. Oh god.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: We got the Hall of Fame, the beauty Hall of Fame,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Emma Sha and I we have Alana Molestin, and we
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: have tanks. We have doctor Jordan Geller who's great on
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: metabolism and hormones. And doctor Laura Devgone. She was on
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: recently and she is so great. She's a plastic surgeon
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: out of New York. That she is, I mean so smart,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: and she talks about the face and how we age
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and she's just she is spot on. We just have
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: really good people, you know. And I I'm just as
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: interested in my guess as my listeners are. I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: like you are, like, which is why you know, I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: love this podcast because you're on the pulse of all
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: things pop culture but also on your guests. But you're
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: invested in learning as just as much as your listeners
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: as I am. And I love that too, Like I
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: genuinely get excited.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I think people come to you though, like come to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the podcast at least I do to hear your perspective.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Like I like listening to you no matter who your
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: guest is.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen, I Emisha and I have an
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: amazing time. We probably talked too much about products and
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: things we do, but like that's what we love. Like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: well did you know it? Did you do this?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did. The new micro current on one side
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: of my face is higher now. But we love wellness trends,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: beauty trends, delve into a little bit of fashion, and
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: we also, you know, we talk about our marriage and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: we have three crazy kids and catch a little lacrosse
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and soccer mom in there and just wrap it up
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: each week. It's fun. I will say, it's fun.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So I usually do a quick rapid fire. But because
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of your particular where your podcasts and your expertise, I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: want to do Molly's must haves.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, tell me everything, ask me anything.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what's your must have makeup product?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I can't choose one cc. Give me three CC cream
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: neutral medium in EU t r ol medium CC by
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: It Cosmetics phenomenal.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Getting that today. Mustno skincare tip.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Exfoliate, Exfoliate, exfoliate. It gets off a layer, makes your
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: pores appear smaller. It's great for wrinkles, it's great for tightening.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Do anything you can to exfoliate and hydrate, but exfoliate
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: is just as important. And you must have vitamin C
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: somewhere in your skincare morning routine or night routine. I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: prefer a morning but if you can get it in there,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: get in there somehow because it is one of the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: best things you can do for your skin.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: What's your must try wellness trends? Something that's worth the hype?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I just did the Chroma clans kroma or the hype
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: worth the money?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: What's something that's not worth the hype?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I liked Also bloating pills array that is worth the hype?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: A r ae.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I think we just had the founder on the podcast.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I will have them on. I think they're great. I
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: really great packaging sheet. It works so well. Something that's
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: not worth I do believe in collagen, but like sometimes
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: all the powders and the mixtures, like it becomes too much.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Just pick one or two. You can't do nine?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Good call the best makeup tip you learned.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: While modeling white eyeliner in the eye makes your eyes
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: appear bigger.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. Must follow on social besides you of course, Tinks
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: she's fun called it's me Tinks It's funny.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: There's this great tweet I saw somebody some guy wrote,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: is everybody aware that any woman from age twenty four
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to thirty four is getting all of their relationship advice
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: from a girl named Tinks so good.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Must give wedding gift.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I love anything monogram, So if you like, take over
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: your new last name, like somewhere you see like the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: name spelled out in a monogram, like a beautiful plate,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a piece of luggage, a Duffel bag, a beautiful vase
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: or a tray like see like those initials or mister
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and missus. It's always fun.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Love that. Must read. What's something that every that should
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: be required reading for every human being?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Lisa Jewele The Family Upstairs if you're starting a brand
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Obsessed by Emily Hayward h E y w A RG.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: If you love reading and you just need a great book,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: The Last Thing He Told Me by Laura Dave and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: The Dutch House by Anne Patchett. Also Lucy Foley. The
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: guest List is also thrilling.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Mollie, I am an avid reader and you've stumped me
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: five times over, so thank you. That's incredible me. No.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Also The Last Time I Saw You by Live Constantine.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And of course you guys must read The Last Missus
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Parish because you're listening to one of their producers.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It's an incredible but it's incredible. It really is. Okay,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: so I have a card deck of fifty two questions.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Let me know when to stop. Okay, what do you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: complain about more than anything else?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I don't like when people don't tip.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It's a former waitress. I agree with you.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I was a former terrible waitress. It was terrible. I
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: always forgot the soup and the salad.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: But my boss told me to stop smiling at everybody.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: No, I got demoted to hostess. You did, I did
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: American University. I wore a white shirt and a green tie.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I looked fabulous, though.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, Mollie Sims, what is the smartest decision you've ever made.
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  Speaker 2: To have a family? I know, right, I was the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: smartest decision. And I also listened to my mother about
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: like I would say yes more than no, Like that
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: was a really smart decision too.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: How did you decide if you were going to keep
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: your maiden name or change your name?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't want to give up my
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: maiden name because I loved my maiden name. Because I
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: don't know. I just I loved my name and name.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I hate my middle name. I would have given up
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: my middle name. I tried to give them my middle
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: name in Napa, California, and they wouldn't do it. I'm like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: can't you just leave bone off of the Molly's bone Sims?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: You can just leave that part off. No, I was
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: my own person, you know. I wasn't twenty something. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: was thirty almost thirty seven years old. I was like
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Mollie Sims stew or. I wanted my kids to have
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: my last name of my father's of their father so
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that they when we go to school or we do,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: like I don't go by my I don't. I only
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: go by Molly Sims. With work, you know, they call me,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: it's called missus super. But I think at that point,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: like I wanted to be able to have my maiden
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: name and my married name. By the way, just so
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: you know, for anybody listening out there, and I know
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: there's a podcast, so everybody's listening, but just make sure
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: when you go and do it, you put a dash,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: because then legally you could do your first name and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: your main name, or your first name and your last
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: name and it doesn't matter. But if you don't have
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the dash, it's I think I'm pretty sure that's right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: That's an important tip it's an important tip.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I'm me pretty smart. You learn something from Danielle's podcast.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I'm turning thirty one soon and almost all of my
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: friends are getting married, and it's a big topic of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: conversation if they're going to change their name or not.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if they want to change their name,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: change the name, they don't want to change their name,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: don't change the name, or go by both like I did.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: All Right, today is a good day. To have a
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: good day. I'll see you next week.