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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.
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Speaker 1: I'm one of your hosts, Lea Lamar, and we have
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Speaker 1: with us and our wonderful, beautiful co host Teddy Melancho. Well,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for the for the positive intro today.
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Speaker 1: I'm a little I have to be honest, I'm a
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Speaker 1: little down in the dumps today. I know, I wanted
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Speaker 1: to kind of just hop right into this special Halloween
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Speaker 1: flavored episode flavored just let me live, Let me live.
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Speaker 1: But I do feel like we have some pressing issues
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Speaker 1: we should discuss before we go into the Halloween murders.
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Speaker 1: You mean my day so far? Yeah, that's That's what
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about so pretty much today, as you know,
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Speaker 1: we I woke up, it was like a normal day, um,
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Speaker 1: took the kids and worked out, took the kids to
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Speaker 1: the bus, and then all of a sudden, I started
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Speaker 1: getting these text messages from people like is to read okay?
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you talking about? And then
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Speaker 1: I saw the the you know, the news outlets that
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Speaker 1: she her house had been broken into and just her
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Speaker 1: kids were home and that she was robbed. And so
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Speaker 1: I spent the morning over there at her house and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to share anything private from her, and
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Speaker 1: but it's just one of those things. It's just so heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: And I know when people say that you're on a
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Speaker 1: reality TV show, like you signed up for this, and
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Speaker 1: that's the part that's so devastating. It's like nobody signs
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Speaker 1: up to have to be violated in that way, and
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Speaker 1: it's just so so frightening, especially involving your kids. And
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Speaker 1: you know, she's just so strong, and I just my
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Speaker 1: heartbreaks for her. And of course, like I have to
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Speaker 1: like get in an Instagram fight with somebody over it
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Speaker 1: because I saw that a girl that used to be
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Speaker 1: on The Housewives posted some thing that put a portion
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Speaker 1: of her address on it, and I was just like
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Speaker 1: why why do that? And I mean, I think we
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Speaker 1: talked so much about real crimes here, but like people
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Speaker 1: really do go on Instagram to try to get information
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Speaker 1: on people. So it's like you don't need like people
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Speaker 1: whenever they get mad and they post somebody's phone number,
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Speaker 1: they post a part of an address, it's like you
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Speaker 1: don't know what the repercussions could actually be, and it's
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Speaker 1: just it's really sad. And I think, you know, we
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Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of crimes here and we
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Speaker 1: we'd love to dig into it, but no matter what,
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Speaker 1: like I would never in a million years I think
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Speaker 1: to try to like is it docs someone? Is that
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Speaker 1: what it's called? When? Yeah, I mean because people, you know, robbers, anybody,
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Speaker 1: they know how to how to find extra information. And
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Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, it's just it made me
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Speaker 1: sad and it made just like the intrusion on her privacy,
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Speaker 1: but also just how scared she must have been and like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that's been my day, um, which is all a
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Speaker 1: much worse day for her, But I just I don't know,
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Speaker 1: it just made me feel sad. But it also made
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Speaker 1: me think about like all the different ways that we
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Speaker 1: all have to protect start protect ourselves in this city,
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Speaker 1: like turning our alarms on being there, like just because
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Speaker 1: crime is prevalent no matter where, like no matter if
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Speaker 1: we're sluice and we're digging into it, it can happen
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Speaker 1: to anyone at any time. And it doesn't mean just
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Speaker 1: because you're in the public eye. Yeah that's that's really
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Speaker 1: dont you are a great friend, And through it all,
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Speaker 1: your hair looks amazing, which I think needs to be said.
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Speaker 1: And we have our One of our producers, Dmitri here
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Speaker 1: with us, who hasn't commented on your hair yet. I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to point that out, but I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for that you have beautiful hair. In our
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Speaker 1: producer Dmitri is here who doesn't have hair. Maybe that's
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Speaker 1: why I didn't compliment, because he's like, would you want
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Speaker 1: to buy some of its extensions? You can borrow some
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Speaker 1: of mine. I think even if I had complimented your hair,
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Speaker 1: which I think looks fantastic, at some point, I think
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Speaker 1: Leo would have taken me down and been like, well,
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Speaker 1: how what do you know about hair? So that's why
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Speaker 1: I was your comments. You know what, I'm really looking
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Speaker 1: forward to all of the comments that that say those
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Speaker 1: vapid bitches speaking of nightmares my ex boyfriend called so
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Speaker 1: that's where I'm at should also be considered a crime,
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Speaker 1: which one. I mean, The list is long. I posted
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Speaker 1: a tweet as a joke that said squid game, except
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Speaker 1: all the players are my exes, and I meant it
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Speaker 1: in the fact that all of my ex boyfriends were poor,
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Speaker 1: but everyone just took it as the fact that I've
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Speaker 1: dated four and fifty six people. You know, the number
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Speaker 1: is significantly higher. Like, okay, well that's the clip right there, right,
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Speaker 1: Teddy Mama four calls Leo Lamar. Pretty sure we can.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna claim it's three like everybody else. No, No,
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Speaker 1: it's a four thousand, five and sixty. They just missed
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Speaker 1: a zero there, just one decimal over. She's a cal
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Speaker 1: ripping of dating the iron Man over here. Thank you, Dmitri. Welcome,
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Speaker 1: great iron Man reference. You've not iron Man d C.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that you when you when you're crossing
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Speaker 1: that you've dated four thousand guys. I'm an olympian. That
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Speaker 1: is somewhat criminal that you've dated four thousand and yet
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Speaker 1: we still have to call all of them. And next
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Speaker 1: it's criminal that I've dated over four thousand people and
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Speaker 1: I'm still single. That's not one ring. You know what.
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Speaker 1: Don't show your ring while I'm here. No ring showing.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, Teddy's gonna be over at my house
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Speaker 1: and be like, oh okay, anyway you guys, um, what
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Speaker 1: are you going for? Is for Halloween? What's your costume? Well?
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Speaker 1: Are we talking to me? I mean we'll talk to
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Speaker 1: Dmitri later, so yeah, yeah, we haven't led Dmitri we
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Speaker 1: haven't announced that he's allowed to speak. He's just spoken.
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Speaker 1: He's just taking it upon himself. Well for what, I'm
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Speaker 1: doing an adult thing one time, and we are. It's
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Speaker 1: a fire and ice theme, So I'm gonna be fire
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Speaker 1: and my husband's gonna be ic even though he told
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Speaker 1: me I picked him out a terrible costume. And then
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Speaker 1: with the kids, Slate is going to be Cruella and
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Speaker 1: then we're all her Dalmatians. Wait, I'm devastated because I'm
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Speaker 1: going as Cruella and I have been waiting for a
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Speaker 1: hundred and one man here to go with Dalmatian. With
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Speaker 1: your track record, you should be able to find him.
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Speaker 1: I feel like you could just cast some out, like
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Speaker 1: just pay them each a dollar and they'd come running. Uh,
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Speaker 1: this is I'm devastated. I'm devastated to hear this news.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a really original idea. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: well apparently it wasn't. Corrella was a big movie this year.
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Speaker 1: It was you know, had a good soundtrack, so I know, well,
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Speaker 1: this is the first time I feel like I'm going
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Speaker 1: as a hot villain. You know, everywhere every year I
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Speaker 1: try to go with something creative, and this year I
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Speaker 1: decided just go hot, which is exciting for me. That's exciting.
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Speaker 1: It leads to a lot more opportunity, which apparently I
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Speaker 1: didn't get into the five thousand up. I always think
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Speaker 1: it's weird when people are like, oh, look at that
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Speaker 1: sexy cow or like, you know, it's like you want
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Speaker 1: sexy cow cat its like, oh her utters. I feel
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Speaker 1: personally victimized by that comment. We should start, We should
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Speaker 1: start the show. You have to start. I'm sorry, d Meetri.
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Speaker 1: Did you have a thought about how we're running our podcast?
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much so. I was just trying to
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Speaker 1: save us from going down to part that's gonna be
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Speaker 1: cut out? Should we He's like, guys, we're let's save
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Speaker 1: that editing for later. Um, all right. The first one
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Speaker 1: we got to talk about is Ronald O'Brien has been
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Speaker 1: called the man who killed Halloween and the candy Man.
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Speaker 1: On Halloween and nine seventy four and eight year old
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Speaker 1: Timothy O'Brien returned to his Houston home from a long
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Speaker 1: night of trick or treating. His father, Ronald gave him
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Speaker 1: one last piece of candy, a pixie stick, which, of
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Speaker 1: course Timothy eight instantly. Within moments, the boy was vomiting,
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Speaker 1: and he died on the way to the hospital. After
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Speaker 1: changing a story multiple times, police learned that Ronald was
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Speaker 1: responsible for his son's death, as he had poisoned the
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Speaker 1: candy with cyanide. How sick is psychopath like so and
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Speaker 1: it turned out that he had a life insurance policy
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Speaker 1: on his on his child. That's next level. I mean. Also,
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Speaker 1: how can you be called the man who killed Halloween?
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Speaker 1: Of Halloween is alive? And well, well, I mean he
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Speaker 1: killed on Halloween. Maybe they just forgot them. Also, so
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Speaker 1: you guys know about candy Man. If you say candyman
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Speaker 1: five times in the mirror, what happens, right, Michael Keaton appears?
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Speaker 1: Oh now they have to keep it in make sense.
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Speaker 1: The thing you Dmitri, I really appreciate you. But you know,
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Speaker 1: a man with a bloody hook comes and murders you.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that the game? Is that? What? Really? What you say?
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Speaker 1: I thought it was like you say something red red.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you like turn out a different that's
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Speaker 1: a different one. What is that one? I think that's
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Speaker 1: red Rum? Or like bloody Mary red Rum. Yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: bloody Mary. I don't know. But either way, all the
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Speaker 1: fun ways to get married, I mean married murder Mary.
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Speaker 1: I think that might be the saddest thing we're gonna
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Speaker 1: here today. Ok Okay, that's number one, all right. You
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Speaker 1: gotta do number two because I can't pronounce the last
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Speaker 1: name properly. Oh when you think I can? All right, well, here,
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Speaker 1: I'd rather you mess it up. Thank thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1: I'm Leo Lamar. I'm here to mess everything up today. Alright.
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Speaker 1: So our second Halloween murder two friends lesliean Mazza, and
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Speaker 1: adrian in sog. I had to add the hand motions.
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Speaker 1: They were stabbed late one Halloween night. Okay, Leslie and
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Speaker 1: Adrianne and their friend Lauren. Mean, So did this happen
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Speaker 1: in Italy? Okay, We're busy handing out candy to trick
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Speaker 1: or treaters in Napa, California. This is hallowe Night two
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Speaker 1: thousand four. Means awoke to a scream from the upstairs bedrooms,
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Speaker 1: and you know what she does, Teddy what? He runs
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Speaker 1: out of the house and drives away, leaving her friends behind.
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Speaker 1: I feel like he would do that to me, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much. I would. But also she has no
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Speaker 1: survivors guilt. She was just like, I'm out of here.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even try to see what was wrong or
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Speaker 1: saved her friends. What if they just had a bad nightmare,
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Speaker 1: you know, But instead she decided to bounce. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: they were both twenty six. They were stabbed to death,
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Speaker 1: and Eric Matthew, I don't know if it's Italian, just
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Speaker 1: like I had to do it that way. A friend
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Speaker 1: of one of the victims turned himself in and confessed
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Speaker 1: to the murders, so not really a friend. He never
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Speaker 1: told anyone his motive, which is so odd, especially because
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people who um a lot
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Speaker 1: of there are a lot of people who come forward
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Speaker 1: about murders who aren't actually the murderers. So this is
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Speaker 1: kind of like a strange one because it seems like
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Speaker 1: he might not even have been the murderer. Um, that
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Speaker 1: seems like a strange thing to confess, especially because he's
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Speaker 1: sit spending a life sentence without the possibility of all right,
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Speaker 1: but he didn't even have a motive, So it's just
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of an odd case. But also
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Speaker 1: that is that woman is the worst friend ever. Like
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Speaker 1: if I was an employer and I googled her name
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Speaker 1: and saw she just bounced on her friends. I feel
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Speaker 1: like she he had to have a motive, he just
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Speaker 1: didn't share. Maybe it was a lover's core allegedly, who
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Speaker 1: knows lover's quarrel? Yeah, like it could have been that
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Speaker 1: they were all mixed up in something to get who knows?
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Speaker 1: Also nice to be in love? Well, not on this
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Speaker 1: Halloween night, Not on this Halloween with Leslian and Adrian.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the Valentine show. Well, Dmitri,
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Speaker 1: do you want to take on William Leah? You have
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Speaker 1: your permission. Thank you for clearing your throat, Dmitri. We
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Speaker 1: really needed to hear the flag go on. There was
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Speaker 1: no flagm William Liskey killed his family members on Halloween
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Speaker 1: in two thousands, ten, sixteen year old Devin Griffin came
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Speaker 1: home on Halloween to play video games after attending church.
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Speaker 1: They're always coming home from church and spending the previous
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Speaker 1: nights sleeping out. He noticed the Michigan home was too quiet,
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Speaker 1: so we went to check on his family members. According
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Speaker 1: to the Sandusky Register, Griffin proceeded to find his stepfather
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Speaker 1: in bed covered in blood. When police arrived, they found
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Speaker 1: two more bodies, Griffin's mother and brother. Police eventually learned
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Speaker 1: the murderer was Griffin's stepbrother, William Lisky. Liskey pleaded guilty
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Speaker 1: to three counts of aggravated murder to avoid the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: but found was found dead in his jail cell in
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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen from a self inflicted rule. I just
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Speaker 1: have to say, it's always too quiet in the suburbs
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Speaker 1: wherever you are, you know what I mean, It's always scary,
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Speaker 1: and I just feel like I'm never safe, Like there
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Speaker 1: are too many crazy people in the city. But then
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Speaker 1: when you go to the suburbs to get away from
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Speaker 1: all the crazy people, it's too quiet and that's creepy,
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Speaker 1: you know. It's like, where are you safe? On a
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Speaker 1: spaceship with Jeff Bezos and Mars. I definitely don't think so. Really,
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Speaker 1: I would let him impregnant me. Of course you would.
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Speaker 1: You're like, what's his name's wife? You're like Robert Durst's wife. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm just worried about the money. I'm like, and don't
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Speaker 1: let that man be a lawyer. He'll take all the money.
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Speaker 1: I love that woman, by the way, I believe me.
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Speaker 1: I remember, and I'll never after my own heart. I
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Speaker 1: can't after this episode no one will ever marry Well,
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Speaker 1: after what you suggesting that we do this episode and
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Speaker 1: me not knowing anything about the Cecil Hotel and having
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Speaker 1: to learn everything about it in the past four eight hours,
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Speaker 1: I am so beyond obsessed. I feel like I thought
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Speaker 1: you're gonna say you're gonna break up with me, but
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Speaker 1: you went the other way. No, I loved. I loved
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Speaker 1: this one. You're welcome. Loved some of the others was
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Speaker 1: hard for me, but oh my god, absolutely loved this one.
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Speaker 1: Do you like well? So really briefly, so these are
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Speaker 1: this is not a Halloween murder, but this is a
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Speaker 1: this is hotel Halloween. There's always a murder happening at
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Speaker 1: this hotel. I even so when you watched the documentary,
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Speaker 1: first of all, they call it hotel death. The fact
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Speaker 1: that there's a question of is there a room that
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Speaker 1: someone hasn't died in? You don't want to be asking
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Speaker 1: that question or receiving that question, especially as the manager
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Speaker 1: of the hotel. Why would you continue to work there?
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Speaker 1: While you're talking about the manager of the hotel, she
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Speaker 1: gave me some real shady vibes, shady af like, just
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Speaker 1: even the way she talked about it and then she
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Speaker 1: kept calling the hotel of her I'm like, how do
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Speaker 1: you know? Did you ask the hotel? It's pronounced like
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Speaker 1: I just don't believe that, you know, And I thought
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Speaker 1: beyond shady was that they Okay, So to let you
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Speaker 1: guys know that the hotel was super dangerous. Multiple crimes
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Speaker 1: happened within this hotel. So what they did was, because
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Speaker 1: they got so many bad reviews, they created another hotel
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Speaker 1: inside of this hotel with a different entrance that was
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Speaker 1: called what was it called Leah Stand Maine Stay On Maine.
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Speaker 1: But the worst part about it is they still had
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Speaker 1: to share a hotel. I mean, that's an elevator. Wait, okay,
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Speaker 1: first of all, let me just say the Cecil Hotel
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Speaker 1: is in downtown l A, right next to skid Row,
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Speaker 1: and it is essentially haunted, right, so so many people
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Speaker 1: have committed suicide, their serial killers have lived there, like
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Speaker 1: Richard Ramras, which we'll get into in a second. And
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Speaker 1: the funny thing is that the the actual lobby is
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Speaker 1: so beautiful and the outside the building is beautiful, and
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Speaker 1: on the inside it's filled with murderers. It's kind of
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Speaker 1: like the but then the rooms, the rooms are disgusting Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the Cecil hotels, just like me, looks fine on the outside,
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Speaker 1: but the inside is a big old mess, very dead one,
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Speaker 1: full of problems, full of problems have stayed there. No,
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Speaker 1: over four thousand killer men have stayed back. Oh I
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Speaker 1: almost just said something very disturbing, but it would have
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Speaker 1: gotten cut. But um, god, I hate censoring myself. Look Um,
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Speaker 1: first of all, I'll just say this. I think that
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Speaker 1: if you love shopping, you go to the mall. If
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Speaker 1: you love murder, you go to the Hotel Cecil. Some
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Speaker 1: of these people were not even meaning to stay at
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Speaker 1: the Hotel Cecil, like Elisa Lamb, for example. She thought
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Speaker 1: she was staying on Maine, and then the hotel even
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Speaker 1: flagged her as somebody with concerning behavior and moved her
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Speaker 1: out of her shared living area into her own room.
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Speaker 1: So Hotel Cecil slash Day on Maine knew that things
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Speaker 1: were not good. Well, let's just dive right into the
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Speaker 1: Elizel Lamb case. Okay. It is absolutely disturbing for those
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Speaker 1: of you who know nothing about this case. So essentially
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Speaker 1: we'll just say that they chalked up her death to
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Speaker 1: mental illness and accidental suicide. However, there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories about her death. So she was Canadian
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Speaker 1: and she moved to the States where she was going
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Speaker 1: to be a student, and she stayed at the Cecil
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Speaker 1: Hotel downtown because it was affordable, and just like Teddy said,
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Speaker 1: she was in a shared room and she had a
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Speaker 1: lot of odd behavior, and so she was put in
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Speaker 1: her own private room. If you have odd behavior at
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Speaker 1: the Cecil Hotel, you're probably a murderer, right in honestly, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that they're saying that she was
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Speaker 1: disturbing people lets me know that she was probably at
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Speaker 1: that point, aren't You shouldn't the manager of the hotel.
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Speaker 1: If you have to do that, then maybe called the
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Speaker 1: authorities and alert them, or maybe it seems like they
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Speaker 1: weren't really alerting the authorities when they had a serial
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Speaker 1: killer on their premises. So kind of seems like a
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Speaker 1: safe place for people who are unwell. The part that
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Speaker 1: made me really sad is she was really on was
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Speaker 1: it Tumbler? She was on Tumbler a lot, and she
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Speaker 1: was sharing her emotions and sharing like how she was
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Speaker 1: struggling mentally and certain medications would work, and then she'd
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Speaker 1: have days where she couldn't leave her bed, and so
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Speaker 1: it's like there was multiple cries for help. She was
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Speaker 1: also diagnosed by Pohler correct and then unable to find
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Speaker 1: a medication that is able to help her. And but
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Speaker 1: the one thing that they didn't mention in the documentary
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Speaker 1: is if you stop a medication immediately, you have suicidal tendencies.
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Speaker 1: Antidepressant like they I mean, I've been on antidepressants before
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Speaker 1: and on them like when you're going off, they make
20:01
Speaker 1: you taper off in a certain way because if not,
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Speaker 1: it creates withdrawal, with not just withdrawal, but like it
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Speaker 1: says like one of the side effects can be suicidal thoughts.
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Speaker 1: So I mean I do. I mean, you've got to
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Speaker 1: explain the elevator and what happened in the elevator and
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Speaker 1: her missing and then he never as I know, and
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Speaker 1: then we'll get more into you know, of course, what
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Speaker 1: I think as someone who will probably never be off antidepressants.
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Speaker 1: First of all, let me just say very pro taking
20:31
Speaker 1: care of your mental health, therapy, psychiatry, whatever works for you.
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Speaker 1: But don't do nothing. That's my advice. I think getting
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Speaker 1: help is the right way to go and does not
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Speaker 1: make you weak. I think it makes you much stronger.
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Speaker 1: Thank God for Dr Kleinberg, Doctor Feldstein. I'm just naming Jews.
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Speaker 1: They're not actually my doctor, but I you know all
20:57
Speaker 1: the people in my life who keep me medicated and alive, loved,
21:00
Speaker 1: all of you, you know who you are. Okay, So,
21:04
Speaker 1: first of all, Alisa Lamb's death her is still very
21:11
Speaker 1: odd and suspicious. Right, the toxicology tests and the autopsy
21:15
Speaker 1: came back saying that she didn't have any drugs in
21:17
Speaker 1: her system, and they ruled it an accidental drowning. And
21:21
Speaker 1: they found her body in a water tank at the
21:25
Speaker 1: roof of the building. And people only realized because their
21:29
Speaker 1: water started turning brown and people started complaining and they
21:34
Speaker 1: were literally drinking water with rotting human corpse. Okay, but
21:45
Speaker 1: then there's more. So there's I mean, that's just the
21:48
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. First of all, it would take
21:52
Speaker 1: so much for her to accidentally drop into the water tank.
22:00
Speaker 1: And also she was found without her clothes on in
22:03
Speaker 1: the water tank. A lot of people say that when
22:06
Speaker 1: you start to have hypothermia, you actually take your off.
22:11
Speaker 1: It's a thing. It's not just you know, you don't
22:13
Speaker 1: feel like getting naked. Well, that's also when you're in
22:16
Speaker 1: an igloo, you're supposed to take your clothes off, but
22:18
Speaker 1: also if you're trying to get out of something like that,
22:23
Speaker 1: because I feel it's about to go into I once
22:26
Speaker 1: dated an Eskimo and that's what he told. Now that's
22:31
Speaker 1: where you now, it's going to go there it maybe
22:34
Speaker 1: we may have gotten through it without Yeah, it wasn't
22:37
Speaker 1: even my fault, only thank you. But they so misreported
22:42
Speaker 1: and they said in like the news reports that the
22:47
Speaker 1: water tank was open, but it was actually closed, so
22:50
Speaker 1: that misreporting was actually a big snaff foo um. And
22:55
Speaker 1: they have footage of her in the elevator where it
22:57
Speaker 1: looks she walks into the elevator and she almost calm
23:00
Speaker 1: at first, but then all of a sudden you see
23:02
Speaker 1: her like pressing all the buttons and doing these things
23:05
Speaker 1: with her hands. And then they show a clip of
23:07
Speaker 1: the elevator door closing and her whipping her head around.
23:10
Speaker 1: But then it looks like part of the footage has
23:12
Speaker 1: been taken out like that. They you see it start
23:16
Speaker 1: to close and then it so but you never see
23:18
Speaker 1: how the person here. It's sped up. They've completely made
23:23
Speaker 1: the time stamp unreadable so that you can't even see
23:26
Speaker 1: what time it's at. There are theories that you see
23:29
Speaker 1: a shoe like a like the heel of another person's
23:32
Speaker 1: shoe in the footage briefly, and also, I do want
23:36
Speaker 1: to just just go back for two seconds because I
23:40
Speaker 1: feel like we missed um a couple of essential moments.
23:43
Speaker 1: So Alisa on Tumblr also mentioned, you know that she
23:47
Speaker 1: was going out and meeting people, and we also know
23:51
Speaker 1: that the hotel was filled with questionable characters, so we
23:57
Speaker 1: don't know if she was romantically involved with someone. We
24:00
Speaker 1: don't know if there was someone in the hotel who
24:02
Speaker 1: was chasing her. We don't know if she was just
24:04
Speaker 1: off her meds and actually having a complete breakdown. But
24:10
Speaker 1: what happened the night of her disappearance was that the
24:14
Speaker 1: last tape that they have of her is her going
24:16
Speaker 1: into the elevator acting suspicious, which will come back to
24:19
Speaker 1: you in a second, and then disappearing, and then there's
24:22
Speaker 1: no more footage of her. But then several weeks later
24:26
Speaker 1: they find her dead body in a water tank and
24:30
Speaker 1: the only way for her to have gotten onto the
24:32
Speaker 1: hotel roof undetected. She would have either gone through a
24:36
Speaker 1: locked an alarmed door, but the alarm never went off
24:39
Speaker 1: or through a fire escape on the side of the building.
24:41
Speaker 1: Then she would have had to climb to the top
24:44
Speaker 1: of the water tank platform up a ten foot ladder
24:47
Speaker 1: and then lifted a super heavy water tank lid and
24:51
Speaker 1: then sliding inside and then somehow latching it closed, but
24:55
Speaker 1: it was open. There are a lot of details that
24:59
Speaker 1: seem left out and complicated, and also it just seems
25:09
Speaker 1: very difficult to do all of that um and have
25:14
Speaker 1: it just be by yourself and not assisted by another person.
25:17
Speaker 1: But they never found evidence of DNA of anyone else around,
25:21
Speaker 1: and it probably would have had to just be a
25:25
Speaker 1: solo act. And while we're on the topic of some
25:29
Speaker 1: of the different conspiracy theories, there was a man who
25:32
Speaker 1: stayed in the hotel Cecil and he was like, I'm
25:37
Speaker 1: gonna maybe say this wrong, but he was a musician,
25:39
Speaker 1: but it was like he was the type of musician
25:41
Speaker 1: where he was like it was very bloody and gory,
25:44
Speaker 1: and he was like he came through and did an
25:47
Speaker 1: interview in the documentary and he said that he started
25:51
Speaker 1: being accused of the person that did the murder because
25:53
Speaker 1: he stayed in the hotel and nobody did enough research
25:56
Speaker 1: to realize that he stayed in the hotel a year
26:00
Speaker 1: prior to her even being there. They would never even
26:02
Speaker 1: overlap time frames. But he was then accused of being
26:06
Speaker 1: the person that murdered her, and it got to the
26:09
Speaker 1: point where he was so attacked and so people were
26:13
Speaker 1: just you know, all over him that he got to
26:15
Speaker 1: the point where he tried to commit suicide and then
26:17
Speaker 1: he had to be institutionalized. So that's where they also
26:20
Speaker 1: say that like if you stay in that hotel, there's
26:24
Speaker 1: just so much that carries Yeah, you're cursed. But also
26:27
Speaker 1: where this conspiracy theory has led to somebody else having
26:31
Speaker 1: major mental health issues and he didn't even know her.
26:38
Speaker 1: I just want to say, this is very one of
26:41
Speaker 1: you to make a case about a woman about a
26:42
Speaker 1: man that has nothing to do with this. He was
26:50
Speaker 1: dying inside. I'm watching him wanting to say anything, but
26:53
Speaker 1: in true fashion, Dmitri has not been given permission to
26:57
Speaker 1: speak yet. Or he's just smart and to know when
27:01
Speaker 1: to gosh of water. Let's go a little water break. Okay,
27:12
Speaker 1: let's go back to the elevator. So the elevator footage
27:14
Speaker 1: is the last footage they have of her alive. And
27:17
Speaker 1: like I said, and like you've mentioned the tape was
27:20
Speaker 1: obviously tampered with. The time stamp is unreadable, which is
27:26
Speaker 1: done intentionally. There is clearly pieces of footage removed from it,
27:31
Speaker 1: and we can't tell at what piece the footage is
27:36
Speaker 1: because if you play it at different speeds, it could
27:38
Speaker 1: seem normal, and if you play at other speeds that
27:41
Speaker 1: seems super abnormal. So the elevator footage shows her going
27:47
Speaker 1: into the elevator, pushing a bunch of buttons. Already bizarre, right,
27:51
Speaker 1: she looks at the elevator, She moves back into a corner,
27:55
Speaker 1: then she steps outside, waves her hands about kind of
27:58
Speaker 1: like a weird majestic way where it looks like she's
28:00
Speaker 1: conjuring a spirit. Something odd is happening. The hand gestures
28:04
Speaker 1: are weird. The elevator doesn't go anywhere, so we don't
28:07
Speaker 1: know if that means someone's pushing the elevator button holding
28:10
Speaker 1: it there. We just we actually have a lot of answers.
28:14
Speaker 1: We actually have a lot of questions, and no answers
28:17
Speaker 1: is what I meant to say, Okay, and then we
28:21
Speaker 1: I don't think at any point she seems scared, but
28:24
Speaker 1: we do see her kind of speaking and jumping out
28:28
Speaker 1: of the elevator and then vanishing. You have to note
28:33
Speaker 1: the speaking thing. Her parents said that that is something
28:36
Speaker 1: that had happened with her in the past when she
28:39
Speaker 1: was struggling and she would go off for medication, she
28:41
Speaker 1: would start to, uh have a psychosis where she thought
28:46
Speaker 1: she saw things, and so anything is possible. But I'm
28:50
Speaker 1: just we have to we have to show all the sides.
28:54
Speaker 1: And you know, we appreciate the fact that you are
28:57
Speaker 1: emotionally available enough to share all the sides, because I
29:01
Speaker 1: I'm not um so okay. So now one of the
29:06
Speaker 1: theories is and if you go and read it, and
29:09
Speaker 1: you're a readitor like me, you will notice that the
29:12
Speaker 1: Elevator game is something that everyone brings up. What is
29:16
Speaker 1: the Elevator game? You ask? Thank you so much for asking.
29:19
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. So the Elevator gave originated in Korea,
29:24
Speaker 1: and it's actually a game that's played thirty three thousand
29:28
Speaker 1: times a month a month. And now when I tell
29:32
Speaker 1: you what it is, you're gonna wonder why there are
29:34
Speaker 1: thirty three thousand disturbed people out there trying to play
29:37
Speaker 1: this game. Okay, The Elevator game is a game where
29:43
Speaker 1: you have to play a alone and be you have
29:47
Speaker 1: to play with a building that has at least ten
29:50
Speaker 1: stories in it and has an elevator. Those are that
29:54
Speaker 1: that's the bare minimum, and if you ascend and descend
29:58
Speaker 1: in a very specifical or or in the elevator to
30:02
Speaker 1: certain floors, there is a chance that you get transported
30:05
Speaker 1: to another dimension. Now, this other dimension, what is it?
30:12
Speaker 1: Like you ask? Not heaven? It is literally hell. So
30:16
Speaker 1: people have said that when you get out on the
30:18
Speaker 1: tenth floor, which if you make it to the tenth floor,
30:21
Speaker 1: the elevator will choose whether or not you get to
30:24
Speaker 1: go to the other dimension. If you go there, there's
30:26
Speaker 1: a red glowing cross in the distance. It's super dark.
30:30
Speaker 1: It seems like our world but slightly different, and there's
30:35
Speaker 1: nothing to gain besides being lost in this other dimension
30:39
Speaker 1: and just knowing that it exists. There are literally no
30:42
Speaker 1: pros cons. Teddy, I'm asking you not to do this.
30:49
Speaker 1: This is a no for me on my my ex.
30:54
Speaker 1: Let me just share really quickly. Um, shall we give
30:57
Speaker 1: your ex's names, like just even fay ones, because seem
31:02
Speaker 1: like there's one person and like we clearly it's not.
31:05
Speaker 1: Maybe we picked the top five and just named them,
31:08
Speaker 1: but just thing is that, like, I really haven't dated
31:10
Speaker 1: that many people. Sure, and I'm a natural blonde. Come on,
31:19
Speaker 1: natural blonde. They've never had continue See, this is one
31:25
Speaker 1: of those times where I'm not supposed to say anything,
31:27
Speaker 1: so I would thank you, Dmitri. So I was telling
31:31
Speaker 1: my X about this game and we just talked about it,
31:35
Speaker 1: and he refused to tell me that he wouldn't not
31:39
Speaker 1: play it. So and I was begging. I was like,
31:41
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you about it, but I'm not telling
31:43
Speaker 1: you to do it. Please don't do it. Do not
31:45
Speaker 1: play this game. Whatever you do, do not play this game.
31:48
Speaker 1: And he could not be talked out of it. He
31:52
Speaker 1: didn't end up playing it, but he did end up
31:55
Speaker 1: in the hospital with a bowel obstruction. No, not dimension,
32:02
Speaker 1: But hold on, who's telling us what this looks to?
32:06
Speaker 1: A boul dimension? Are these people? Like do people come
32:11
Speaker 1: back from this? Like how do we know what they see? That? This?
32:13
Speaker 1: The whole thing sounds ridiculous. And he didn't even play it,
32:17
Speaker 1: but something bad happened to him. So what I'm We'll
32:19
Speaker 1: tell you a little bit more about the game, but
32:21
Speaker 1: please don't play the game. Don't go looking for When
32:25
Speaker 1: we were younger, and we like taught ourselves how to faint,
32:28
Speaker 1: and then everybody's like, whatever you do, don't do the
32:31
Speaker 1: fainting game. You guys never did this. It was like
32:38
Speaker 1: a big thing. Well I'm so much older than you.
32:40
Speaker 1: But in the eighties where you like lean over and
32:42
Speaker 1: you go and then you have your friend push on
32:44
Speaker 1: you and then you faint. It was like a big
32:47
Speaker 1: We had to have like a memo go out in
32:48
Speaker 1: our school that like, we were not if we found
32:51
Speaker 1: out that any of us were making each other faint,
32:53
Speaker 1: that we would get suspended. Did anyone die from that?
32:58
Speaker 1: No one that I know, But then that came out
33:00
Speaker 1: that somebody died, so then we all stopped. But I mean,
33:03
Speaker 1: what the hell? But that's why I'm worried. Like people
33:05
Speaker 1: here and try things, but thankfully I don't think this exists.
33:08
Speaker 1: This dimension to the instructive bowel is enough to scare
33:12
Speaker 1: enough people off. I'm not trying this. If the if
33:14
Speaker 1: the alternate dimension didn't that will well was it the
33:18
Speaker 1: alternate dimension or did he just swallow his feelings for me?
33:22
Speaker 1: I think you're so blinded by love that you're willing
33:24
Speaker 1: to give that. Maybe he just had a bowel instruction
33:27
Speaker 1: like need maybe he had like a gerbil fetish. I mean, okay,
33:34
Speaker 1: gross number one, I don't know. You don't remember that
33:39
Speaker 1: story as someone who has maybe allegedly had sex with
33:44
Speaker 1: this person. I don't think he has a devil allegedly,
33:49
Speaker 1: But I'm disturbed. I don't. I don't. I don't know.
33:54
Speaker 1: If I can go on, I think that might be best. Well,
33:58
Speaker 1: how we have to end with hotels? So but I
34:00
Speaker 1: have to ask you guys, would if they reopen, would
34:03
Speaker 1: you guys ever stay there? No? Okay, I would go
34:08
Speaker 1: if we if we went and did a podcast from there,
34:10
Speaker 1: I would do that. But I wouldn't just like go
34:11
Speaker 1: there by myself. But we couldn't above the room. Apparently
34:15
Speaker 1: the higher up the rooms, the more dangerous the place was,
34:18
Speaker 1: and the the less the police would come if they
34:20
Speaker 1: said this was like on the tenth floor, the leventh
34:22
Speaker 1: floor or whatever, because that they've got more dangerous and
34:27
Speaker 1: they were more expensive less expensive the higher up. Can
34:30
Speaker 1: I just really briefly say, if you google the elevator
34:33
Speaker 1: game and you check out what people have said, they
34:36
Speaker 1: were like, I'm haunted, I'm so help me, let me
34:39
Speaker 1: just so so I'm not even I'm not going to
34:42
Speaker 1: tell you what order to go in in the elevators,
34:44
Speaker 1: but all I will tell you is that apparently you
34:51
Speaker 1: get onto the fifth floor, and you are not supposed
34:54
Speaker 1: to look at a woman who gets on the elevator.
34:57
Speaker 1: She may or may not get on the elevator, but
34:59
Speaker 1: if she does, you are not allowed to look at her.
35:01
Speaker 1: And if you look at her, and apparently she may
35:06
Speaker 1: or may not appear with someone, you know, she'll try
35:08
Speaker 1: to talk to you, she might ask her help, she
35:09
Speaker 1: might start screaming. You don't know how she'll appear. But
35:13
Speaker 1: once you look at her, you're basically like damned for eternity.
35:17
Speaker 1: And there are lots of people on YouTube who claim
35:20
Speaker 1: to be doing this game, but none of your electronics
35:22
Speaker 1: will work. And if they bring electronics in then it
35:25
Speaker 1: doesn't actually work. So especially if you go in they're
35:29
Speaker 1: saying I I really, but people say that this woman
35:34
Speaker 1: they think, so essentially they go to the tenth floor
35:37
Speaker 1: or not, but they go back to the first floor
35:39
Speaker 1: and you get let out, and then your everyday life
35:42
Speaker 1: is haunted if you have if you have played the
35:45
Speaker 1: game wrong. And on the internet, everything on the internet
35:50
Speaker 1: is true. One million I mean upset that we don't
35:57
Speaker 1: believe when people say, if you go to the fifth floor, Um,
36:01
Speaker 1: but woman may or may not appear. It's like any
36:04
Speaker 1: time you leave it may or may not. It's like, okay,
36:06
Speaker 1: so you could just be making it up. Yeah, but
36:09
Speaker 1: that's like I may or may not come to the
36:12
Speaker 1: dinner you invited me to. But I elevator games start
36:15
Speaker 1: at the Hotel Cecil. No, it started in Korea many
36:19
Speaker 1: many moons ago. It's just something that they thought she
36:22
Speaker 1: was playing. They thought she was playing out so when
36:24
Speaker 1: they when she was speaking, they thought that she was
36:26
Speaker 1: speaking to the woman on the fifth floor and we
36:30
Speaker 1: couldn't see her, and that she entered, and that she
36:33
Speaker 1: was raptured, I guess, or taken by this evil demon
36:39
Speaker 1: and then put into the water tank and murdered by
36:42
Speaker 1: this evil spirit. Do you also find it odd that
36:45
Speaker 1: the night stalker stayed at the Hotel Cecil? Yeah? I
36:48
Speaker 1: find it all that Richard ramras Um, can you let
36:53
Speaker 1: me be wrong? No, ramerous god, I mean that guy
37:02
Speaker 1: would come back to the hotel covered in blood. He
37:05
Speaker 1: was sentenced to death nineteen times, Like if you've been
37:08
Speaker 1: sentenced to death nineteen times? Pretty sure, you're going straight
37:11
Speaker 1: to hell. And he I just looked at up. He
37:14
Speaker 1: died into cancer of cancer. Yeah, he might actually be
37:18
Speaker 1: Satan himself. He was. They did a bunch of movies
37:22
Speaker 1: on him where they made him really look like he
37:23
Speaker 1: was really good looking too. Why do you always do that?
37:26
Speaker 1: I don't glamorize murder. I I absolutely do not understand.
37:32
Speaker 1: I mean, speaking of hot, I wish I didn't think
37:34
Speaker 1: Ed Gaen was hot. Stop. I can't with Ed Dean.
37:40
Speaker 1: I know I like the transition though, but I really
37:44
Speaker 1: I there were parts when I was listening and now
37:46
Speaker 1: I'm gonna regret saying this, there was parts when I
37:48
Speaker 1: started listening to some of the podcasts about Ed Dean
37:51
Speaker 1: and reading about him where I felt really sad the
37:55
Speaker 1: way he was raised. Do you guys know who Ed
37:57
Speaker 1: Gaine is? I'm sure Leo wants to do his official
38:00
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, no, no, we all know who
38:03
Speaker 1: Ed Gaine is. But I do think and by we
38:05
Speaker 1: all know, I mean not all of us know. And Teddy,
38:07
Speaker 1: we would love for you us, We would love for
38:09
Speaker 1: you us, We would love for you to introduce him
38:12
Speaker 1: to us. However, I think let's just take a quick
38:15
Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back to ed Gaine. How
38:17
Speaker 1: does that sound for everyone? That sounds good? Okay, time
38:21
Speaker 1: to go pp p RB. Sorry to me. I mean
38:26
Speaker 1: we could just say we're taking breaking whatever you need
38:28
Speaker 1: to do during that time. It is cool. We don't
38:29
Speaker 1: have to say that. But maybe some people need to
38:31
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. Like your ex boyfriend with the
38:34
Speaker 1: bat obstruction. He couldn't go to the bathroom. He was
38:38
Speaker 1: considab That's how I know. We were just like old
38:41
Speaker 1: for app brothers. I'm like, you're letting me know you
38:43
Speaker 1: can't go to the bathroom. I mean, this is just
38:45
Speaker 1: it's over. Romance is dead. So eyes were back and
39:01
Speaker 1: we're all having a little laugh because I was chatting
39:05
Speaker 1: with them about how disgusting this picture was of me
39:07
Speaker 1: that was posted, and he was like, I think you
39:09
Speaker 1: look good, and I said I looked like one of
39:11
Speaker 1: Ed Geen's lampshades. For those of you don't know Ed Geene, well,
39:18
Speaker 1: his backstory was he grew up in a repressive household
39:22
Speaker 1: controlled by a dominant mother. Following her death in nineteen
39:25
Speaker 1: forty five, his mental health got worse and worse, and
39:30
Speaker 1: Geen was apprehended as a suspect in a nineteen fifty
39:33
Speaker 1: seven murder. The investigation of his home yielded a highly
39:36
Speaker 1: disturbed man who kept human organs and fashion clothing and
39:41
Speaker 1: accessory out of body parts and skin. Yeah, he spent
39:46
Speaker 1: the rest of his life institutionalized. His story began fueling
39:49
Speaker 1: the inspiration of such famous movies movie characters as Norman
39:53
Speaker 1: Bates from Psycho, Buffalo Bill from Signs of the Lambs,
39:56
Speaker 1: and leather Face from The Texas Chainsaw Master. Which is
39:59
Speaker 1: why we're talking about this on our Halloween episode because
40:02
Speaker 1: how creepy is that? And also feel free to weigh
40:05
Speaker 1: in if you guys think that my face looks like
40:07
Speaker 1: one of Edgean's lampshades. Oh maybe he was just very
40:11
Speaker 1: fashion forward. And I think I think ed Geane would
40:14
Speaker 1: love to have your type of face on a lampshade.
40:16
Speaker 1: But I don't think God Jemitri is this compliment Cheddy
40:21
Speaker 1: Jay is this compliment Teddy in the scariest way possible.
40:26
Speaker 1: And I'm stand on a lamp shade and fairness, you
40:29
Speaker 1: set you set the conversation up this way. It's not
40:31
Speaker 1: like I was like, Hey, do you want to talk
40:32
Speaker 1: about human lampshades? You guys said it there, and I
40:35
Speaker 1: just said, you're making it seem like you have no
40:37
Speaker 1: control over your thoughts and words. What should I say here? Wait? Okay? Also,
40:45
Speaker 1: I want to highlight the fact that ed Gean had
40:47
Speaker 1: a very controlling religious mother, because I do think that
40:52
Speaker 1: I will be this type of mother, and therefore I
40:55
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have children. But you said that you hated
40:58
Speaker 1: the suburbs so you couldn't heat. She moved their family
41:01
Speaker 1: out from like even like a little small town that
41:03
Speaker 1: they lived in, out to like far far far, into
41:06
Speaker 1: this farm area where she was controlling. He wasn't allowed
41:10
Speaker 1: to have friends. Anytime he brought a friend over, she
41:12
Speaker 1: would tell him all the reasons why they couldn't be friends.
41:16
Speaker 1: So the only person he really had any relationship was
41:19
Speaker 1: with her. And he had an alcoholic father, who correct
41:22
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, ended up passing away or no
41:26
Speaker 1: longer lived with I can't even remember. But the point
41:30
Speaker 1: is like, which always brings me back to the other
41:33
Speaker 1: questions of like was he born that way or was
41:37
Speaker 1: this because of something that you know? Growing up the
41:40
Speaker 1: way he did? You know they say superheroes aren't made,
41:45
Speaker 1: they're born. Well, I'm not sure. We call ed Dean
41:49
Speaker 1: a super superhero, and and I was gonna say in
41:52
Speaker 1: super villains are also not born. There made I think, Look,
42:00
Speaker 1: there's a through line of all of these serial killers,
42:03
Speaker 1: John Wayne gaycy Gary Ridgeway, ed Geane, Robert Durst, Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Speaker 1: They all had very disturbed childhoods and very um terrifying
42:18
Speaker 1: upbringings where either their parents had depression or bipolar or
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Speaker 1: attempted suicide or murdered or did commit suicide or super Yeah,
42:29
Speaker 1: there's always some sort of through line between all of
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Speaker 1: these people, and most of them were never offered any
42:35
Speaker 1: sort of help, or didn't receive any or were told
42:38
Speaker 1: to like to suppress it and cover it up, as
42:42
Speaker 1: most of us are told. I have a problem when
42:46
Speaker 1: you lump yourself back in with the serial killers we're
42:48
Speaker 1: talking about. I really I have to look down when
42:51
Speaker 1: it happens, because I know my reaction is not going
42:54
Speaker 1: to be the best. So it's best just I look
42:56
Speaker 1: down and pretend I'm focusing on the next thing, my
42:58
Speaker 1: next transition. Okay, Okay, but I will say this, this
43:04
Speaker 1: ed So ed Geen is, like you said, he inspired
43:08
Speaker 1: a lot of movie characters and he because he would
43:11
Speaker 1: dress up, he would wear the skins of these other
43:14
Speaker 1: people and skulls and pretend to be his mother, which
43:18
Speaker 1: is so mortifying. And he left her room exactly the
43:22
Speaker 1: way it was when she died. So that's where the
43:24
Speaker 1: Norman Bates then comes in. He left it it was pristine,
43:29
Speaker 1: and the rest of his house was in shambles. Put
43:34
Speaker 1: the lotion in the basket. Somethinking about that too. I
43:37
Speaker 1: think I don't know if you guys, have you ever
43:39
Speaker 1: heard of the Madonna horror complex now, so the Madonna
43:44
Speaker 1: work complex. Lots of men I've dated have had this.
43:48
Speaker 1: It is, so I'm just gonna keep saying Madonna work.
43:53
Speaker 1: So Madonna work complex is when men had a very
43:56
Speaker 1: complicated relationship with their mother growing up, and they see
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Speaker 1: the mother or the person that they are in a
44:02
Speaker 1: relationship with as the respected figure, and then they see
44:06
Speaker 1: all other women as quote unquote horrors or people they
44:08
Speaker 1: can have sex with, and then there is a disconnect
44:12
Speaker 1: between being able to be romantically interested in someone that
44:16
Speaker 1: you are physically interested in. And this I feel like
44:21
Speaker 1: it's a very extreme case of that, where he respected
44:25
Speaker 1: his mother so much and then you know he he
44:28
Speaker 1: actually did admit to murdering at least one of the
44:31
Speaker 1: women that they right, or did he admit to both murders. Well,
44:36
Speaker 1: they found the body in his the one in his house, right,
44:40
Speaker 1: and then he kept, you know, being found insane and
44:44
Speaker 1: pleading insanity. But they found skulls, lambshades, chair upholsteries, waste
44:50
Speaker 1: baskets all made from human skin, uh, skinned women hanging
44:56
Speaker 1: on the bedroom wall, belt made of nipples, skulls on
44:59
Speaker 1: the bedposts, leggings, a box full of women's private parts.
45:05
Speaker 1: And he also admitted to digging up women. And so
45:10
Speaker 1: obviously he had a very complicated relationship with women because
45:14
Speaker 1: he wasn't murdering men from what I know. No, it
45:19
Speaker 1: was always women. It's just mind. Nobody was going to
45:22
Speaker 1: be measuring up to his mother or even though his
45:24
Speaker 1: mother was a disaster, oh so disturbing. So he murdered
45:30
Speaker 1: Baronice Warden. She was reported missing from her hardware store
45:36
Speaker 1: and the cash register was also missing, and then they
45:39
Speaker 1: just followed a trail of blood. Um, so he also
45:43
Speaker 1: worked there. Correct, It sounds like that's true. Yeah, sounds
45:47
Speaker 1: like it sounds like Teddy's on it. Teddy did her homework. Um.
45:52
Speaker 1: And then they authorities went to his house that night
45:55
Speaker 1: and found her headless and gooded, and her body was
45:59
Speaker 1: hanging from the ceiling, which is disturbing to say the least. Uh.
46:05
Speaker 1: And he also admitted to practicing necrophilia. So again, I
46:08
Speaker 1: think we can very much chalk this up to an
46:11
Speaker 1: extreme case of Madonna warr complex, among other things, and
46:15
Speaker 1: mental illness. And um, he also murdered, didn't he murder?
46:20
Speaker 1: He murdered another woman? Yeah, oh oh, Hogan, he murdered. Um,
46:28
Speaker 1: you guys, I'm very with it today. I can see
46:30
Speaker 1: a good thing. Thank you so much. Um, he murdered
46:35
Speaker 1: another woman. And it's interesting because it was clear that
46:40
Speaker 1: he was devoted to his mom, but he literally almost
46:44
Speaker 1: never left home or dated other women except to murder people.
46:50
Speaker 1: The fact that anybody was dating him, I don't know
46:54
Speaker 1: if that is that confirmed. No, No, that he never
46:57
Speaker 1: dated women. Okay, I was like, I know, but even
46:59
Speaker 1: to murder them. I wouldn't know that we would call
47:01
Speaker 1: this dating. I mean, you said I never dated women
47:07
Speaker 1: when he murdered them, so I was like a fun
47:09
Speaker 1: first date. O, my god, what point? Like, I just
47:15
Speaker 1: I don't think it's considered a date lea deceased. I
47:21
Speaker 1: don't don't, just don't respond to that, please, solely to
47:30
Speaker 1: bring this all back into Halloween and Dmitri, can you
47:37
Speaker 1: guys share your favorite Hollywood cult classic movies? I gotta
47:42
Speaker 1: spell on you and now you're mind? Do you guys
47:48
Speaker 1: know what that's from? No? Hocus Pocus, Oh hocus focus.
47:53
Speaker 1: They haven't even shown that this year on my t V.
47:55
Speaker 1: But the first of all, Bettman, there is a goddess
48:00
Speaker 1: in my opinion of love love Sarah, Sarah Jessica Parker
48:05
Speaker 1: early days loved her. I still love her. She's the best. Um. Okay,
48:10
Speaker 1: so that's your favorite? What's your favorite? Dmitri? I don't know.
48:16
Speaker 1: I think I I did like Psycho um, but I
48:20
Speaker 1: think a Nightmare in Elm Street I thought was cool
48:22
Speaker 1: because I liked the crossover between dreams and reality. Dream
48:28
Speaker 1: Dream Dream Dream Dream? Are we making a CD here?
48:34
Speaker 1: What's going on? I did you say we're making a CD?
48:38
Speaker 1: I'm old? Okay, Eddy, why did you just become a
48:40
Speaker 1: hundred years I'm a d This new eight track is
48:44
Speaker 1: going to be fantastic. My first car was a Gremlin
48:49
Speaker 1: and I had an eight track in it. Oh, Gremlins,
48:51
Speaker 1: that was a good movie. I never saw it. You
48:54
Speaker 1: guys are going to probably be a little upset with me,
48:56
Speaker 1: considering I am one of the hosts of a true
48:58
Speaker 1: crime podcast. I do not like horror movies. I like
49:02
Speaker 1: true crime documentaries. I do not like horror movies. So
49:06
Speaker 1: I have never seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The first horror
49:10
Speaker 1: movie that I saw was Halloween, the New Halloween, because
49:15
Speaker 1: my friend Kyle's in it, and I was so frightened
49:18
Speaker 1: the whole time. I couldn't sleep all night. Like I
49:21
Speaker 1: think you either have like, and she did an amazing job.
49:23
Speaker 1: I think the movie is great. I just can't watch
49:26
Speaker 1: them and sleep at night. But why is there something
49:28
Speaker 1: wrong with me that I can watch true life ones? Yes?
49:33
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't seem disturbing. Yes, And also I just
49:38
Speaker 1: want to let you know I I'm going to be
49:41
Speaker 1: very vulnerable right now and tell you guys that I
49:44
Speaker 1: used to work in a Haltday Haunted where you wanted
49:50
Speaker 1: like at the Universal where you scared people? No, no, no,
49:54
Speaker 1: uh did you ever see Sleep No More? In New
49:56
Speaker 1: York City the Immersive Theater experience. I'm a must to
50:00
Speaker 1: miss that one. Teddy just shamed the entire theater industry
50:12
Speaker 1: with one centis I'm like, I saw a chorus line,
50:18
Speaker 1: all right, well, you're not invited to my Broadway show.
50:20
Speaker 1: So um it was an immersive theater show and it
50:28
Speaker 1: ran for September and October. This was a few years
50:31
Speaker 1: back now, obviously pre pandemic, but um, it was very
50:37
Speaker 1: interesting learning about how to scare people because there are
50:42
Speaker 1: lots of different types of horror, their psychological horror. There's
50:47
Speaker 1: easy scares, like something you would call it jump scare,
50:50
Speaker 1: where you literally just pop out and scare someone you know,
50:53
Speaker 1: and those often are scarier to me than a psychological
50:58
Speaker 1: scare in the moment. But a psychological scare stays with
51:02
Speaker 1: you forever. And that's why Teddy is afraid of horror
51:08
Speaker 1: movies because they are like psychological scares. But murder documentaries
51:13
Speaker 1: are kind of like jump scares where it just gets
51:15
Speaker 1: you in the moment and you're like, ah, interesting, and
51:17
Speaker 1: then you forget about it. But then psychological horrors stay
51:21
Speaker 1: with you forever, and I think that's why you feel
51:23
Speaker 1: like you're part of it and it never leaves you.
51:26
Speaker 1: Well that makes sense, but I can tell you that
51:28
Speaker 1: ever since joining this podcast. My husband's like, I am
51:30
Speaker 1: so frightened. I come home and you've got nope, like
51:34
Speaker 1: papers everywhere I see pictures of killers. You're like, look
51:40
Speaker 1: like you haven't slept in weeks. Like He's like, I know,
51:44
Speaker 1: like you're plotting to murder me. I'm like, guy, like
51:50
Speaker 1: especially when Lee it throws Texas chainsaw massacre at me
51:54
Speaker 1: last minute, knowing I never saw it. I had no
51:58
Speaker 1: idea who genis. Okay, okay, So what's your favorite movie? Teddy?
52:05
Speaker 1: You fit like a practical magic type of Halloween. Gal.
52:09
Speaker 1: That was a creepy movie that was creepy, but like
52:11
Speaker 1: it was like a love creepy like that it felt
52:15
Speaker 1: more more real to me. I can't like the the
52:19
Speaker 1: blood and the guts. I can't do it. I did
52:21
Speaker 1: love Silence of the Lamps. You loved it, I mean
52:25
Speaker 1: I watched it more than once. Oh my god, wait,
52:28
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Didn't Teddy just say that she can't watch
52:31
Speaker 1: horror films and then she Silence? Which is on to me?
52:38
Speaker 1: Horror films are like when it's gory and bloody. I
52:42
Speaker 1: like psychological thrillers. That's also what my life is. Well,
52:49
Speaker 1: we'll get into that next week, guys, because we've run
52:53
Speaker 1: out of time for today. We have yes, oh we
52:56
Speaker 1: didn't even get to the back. We didn't get to
52:58
Speaker 1: the black dial, which gives me more time to research.
53:06
Speaker 1: But also, can you, guys, choose a favor and send
53:09
Speaker 1: us in any of your recommendations for your favorite Halloween
53:13
Speaker 1: movies and we will post them on our Graham because
53:16
Speaker 1: ones that are kids appropriate as well, because for some
53:18
Speaker 1: of you, all moms out there that are like me,
53:20
Speaker 1: but kid appropriate and also the gorious to the gore,
53:23
Speaker 1: I will say that I don't think that there are
53:25
Speaker 1: any horror movies that are appropriate for children. I watched
53:28
Speaker 1: an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark when
53:30
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I remember telling my mom,
53:33
Speaker 1: I fine, it doesn't upset me, And then of course
53:36
Speaker 1: I wasn't fine, and it did upset me, and I
53:37
Speaker 1: still have recurring nightmares. And it wasn't even that scary,
53:40
Speaker 1: just a child vanished into a vampire's cape for eternity.
53:46
Speaker 1: But other than that, I think it might explain a
53:51
Speaker 1: lot about me as a person and why I am
53:52
Speaker 1: the way I am. This episode was off the chain,
53:55
Speaker 1: saw massacre and I'm I I'm in a place. I
54:01
Speaker 1: was an action when we started, and now I'm really
54:03
Speaker 1: in a place. On that On that note, guys, on
54:07
Speaker 1: that jingle, we have to go for this week, But
54:13
Speaker 1: don't you worry, get back and send into it. Lee
54:18
Speaker 1: is like, I need to get another joke and give it.
54:20
Speaker 1: Give it to me. This is mental illness, the fact
54:26
Speaker 1: that I refuse to let go. I'm like the fact
54:30
Speaker 1: I have a You know how I am with time.
54:32
Speaker 1: I know you're very punctual. Can I just say, everyone,
54:36
Speaker 1: please call in eight six six twenty one crime. That's
54:42
Speaker 1: not the official jingle, but it's our official number. Please
54:47
Speaker 1: call in. Leave us messages. We'll even read. If you
54:50
Speaker 1: think of something clever, we'll even read them and answer them.
54:53
Speaker 1: Why we're here, and that again is eight six six
54:58
Speaker 1: crime twenty one is how old me and Teddy both are,
55:02
Speaker 1: so it'll be easy to remember. Oh why do you
55:08
Speaker 1: have to be I mean, I thought we were getting
55:13
Speaker 1: along today, but now I have to shade me at
55:14
Speaker 1: the end. But yeah, call us you guys, because you
55:17
Speaker 1: already said your first car was a gremlin. No one's
55:19
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh how hard you are to break
55:22
Speaker 1: up with At the end of the date, I mean
55:23
Speaker 1: a podcast like the ending is so literally it's like
55:28
Speaker 1: pulling Brian Laundry's teeth to get off the phone with
55:30
Speaker 1: you guys. Speaking of which, just real, real fast. They
55:37
Speaker 1: have not let us know if the DNA in the
55:39
Speaker 1: partial remains besides the teeth are whether they are confirmed
55:43
Speaker 1: to be Brian Laundries or not. So we are still
55:45
Speaker 1: waiting at that information, and so stay tuned for next episode.
55:49
Speaker 1: We'll be we'll be digging into that for sure. But
55:51
Speaker 1: please do not leave a voicemail asking me on a date,
55:54
Speaker 1: because if you've listened to this podcast and you still
55:56
Speaker 1: want to date me, there's something wrong with you, and
55:58
Speaker 1: I will not say yes. And we can't count higher
56:00
Speaker 1: than a five thousand. Thank you, bye, ony of you guys.
56:05
Speaker 1: It's real time ground it real time grond I mean,
56:12
Speaker 1: is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or
56:15
Speaker 1: is that just the thing we say? It's a thing
56:16
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