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Terry Francona joins FT @Reds camp + 2026 Reds Season Preview · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Reds manager Terry Francona is here, Tito. Great to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Happy spring training to you, and how is camp with
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  Speaker 1: this young Reds crew that is coming off a playoff
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  Speaker 1: appearance last year in your first year at the home.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean we're two games in and we had
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  Speaker 2: an off day yesterday, so you know, like like everybody,
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  Speaker 2: our glass seems half full and it's supposed to. I
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  Speaker 2: think we have good reason to be optimistic.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: We're here to you know, get some work done, get
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  Speaker 2: a lot of work done, and get ready for what
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  Speaker 2: we want to be a really good, long, productive season.
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  Speaker 4: And you weren't at you worn out after two games?
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  Speaker 4: You needed an off day that bad?
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  Speaker 2: I just think actually it's because of the way that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, last year we had a split squad the
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  Speaker 2: first game. There's always an odd team because that's fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't but you know what, good because you'll take
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  Speaker 2: it anytime you can get it. We were not tired
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  Speaker 2: yet though.
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Tito, are you guys ready to practice the ABS
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  Speaker 1: challenge system? Weren't you one of the guys last year
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  Speaker 1: in spring training you were like, Hey, why are we
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  Speaker 1: practicing this when I'm trying to get ready for a
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  Speaker 1: season without it.
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  Speaker 2: Early on, I told our guys we weren't going to
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  Speaker 2: use it just because we weren't going to use it
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  Speaker 2: during the year. And then when Michael Hill and his
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  Speaker 2: guys came through, they were like, hey, there's a reason
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  Speaker 2: we'd like you to do it. They were so good
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  Speaker 2: about the way they asked that. We actually did use
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  Speaker 2: it during the spring, and it grew. I think it
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  Speaker 2: grew on everybody, you know, the way they did it.
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  Speaker 2: The fans really enjoyed it, and it didn't slow the
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  Speaker 2: game down much. And now that it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: you know, implemented, it's going to be a strategy. So
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  Speaker 2: we're working into that. You know, we told our guys
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  Speaker 2: will work towards a strategy because it's got to be
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  Speaker 2: a team strategy. It can't be a per person it
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  Speaker 2: can't be an emotional, you know, strategy. So we're we
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  Speaker 2: have a month to figure that out. Is it catchers only,
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  Speaker 2: hitters only, no pitchers, no pictures, no catchers, not seeing
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  Speaker 2: a pitcher that throws a ball yet that thinks it's
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  Speaker 2: not a strike. And like I said, that's the emotional one.
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  Speaker 2: Where not that we don't love our pitchers. But our catchers,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, take care of the pitchers and they
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  Speaker 2: really get a good feel for it.
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  Speaker 4: I watched so I watched the game last night. It
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  Speaker 4: was the Brewers Padres and in the first three innings,
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  Speaker 4: it was almost every other pitch. And we were at
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  Speaker 4: the Brewers yesterday and they were having a sim game
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  Speaker 4: behind us live with some of their big league guys,
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  Speaker 4: and they told they had an umpire. They brought an
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  Speaker 4: umpire and they had the abs going and they said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we want challenge every chance you think it's even close.
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  Speaker 4: Just so our hitters and our pitchers, is that the
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  Speaker 4: way you approached it.
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  Speaker 2: We've been in our in our inner squads, cause we
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  Speaker 2: don't have but in our lives. Bill Hasselman has been
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  Speaker 2: sitting with the system and the catchers will look at
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  Speaker 2: him after every pitch, just so we get a better
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  Speaker 2: feel for Okay, that ball was an inch off, that
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  Speaker 2: ball caught the plate. Just trying to get as good
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  Speaker 2: at it as we can.
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  Speaker 5: And how and how good are they? Like, what's what's
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  Speaker 5: the feedback? I know it's not been long, but like
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  Speaker 5: when they see that feedback, how good are the catchers?
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  Speaker 5: How good are the hitters, And do you think this
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  Speaker 5: is gonna like dudes are going to be completely locked
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  Speaker 5: in because the zone's never gonna like really rotate and
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  Speaker 5: shift throughout games.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think, like anything, some guys are going to
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  Speaker 2: be better as than others. And you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: up to us to get our guys good at it,
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  Speaker 2: because it's gonna be a strategy and if you're good
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  Speaker 2: at it, it's gonna help, you know, trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out do you save one to the end? Do you
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  Speaker 2: you know, like if you tell a player, hey, just
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  Speaker 2: use it one, it's important. Well, I haven't seen a
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  Speaker 2: pitch thrown yet, that's not important. So that's where the
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  Speaker 2: strategy come into play. If I'm glad you know we
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  Speaker 2: have it here where if you make a mistake early,
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  Speaker 2: it's not probably you know, it's spring training and we
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  Speaker 2: can learn from it and say, okay, this, we might
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  Speaker 2: not want to do this when the season starts.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I had the pleasure of being in sprit Big League
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  Speaker 5: camp with you in twenty seventeen when you were the
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  Speaker 5: manager of the Indians. You're very intentional with a lot
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  Speaker 5: of things. Do you still do the player of the
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  Speaker 5: game the next day here now that you're with the
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  Speaker 5: Reds or did you leave that? Did you leave that
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  Speaker 5: with Cleveland? No, we still do it.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I was thinking the other day, I was
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  Speaker 2: putting on some notes on my card, things I could
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  Speaker 2: say to the MVPs. And then we lost. We gave
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  Speaker 2: up a touchdown late and but no, we have fun
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  Speaker 2: with it. But there's, like you say, there's a reason
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  Speaker 2: for it. You want to reward things like base running.
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  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily somebody hits a home run. But we
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  Speaker 2: want to accentuate the good things that we think can
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  Speaker 2: separate us from other teams. We're always trying to accentuate that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, well that was twenty seventeen. We're almost we're at
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  Speaker 5: nine years now. Has inflation in east with your awards?
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  Speaker 5: Have the awards increased with inflation? Or do you still
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  Speaker 5: give out the same dollar.
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  Speaker 2: Amount inflation has increased. Not in our clubhouse. Not for
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  Speaker 2: the manager. They just might have to order one less
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  Speaker 2: thing at dinner.
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  Speaker 5: It used to be it used to be one hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 5: It used to be for people who don't know. We
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  Speaker 5: would give one hundred dollars to the MVP, and I
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  Speaker 5: believed it was it was from your wallet because it
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  Speaker 5: was holded up in your in your trifold wallet, so
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  Speaker 5: it was like it was like a wrinkly one hundred
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  Speaker 5: dollars bill. But if there was two MVP awards, you
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  Speaker 5: would split it and give fifty to each. It was
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  Speaker 5: something that a lot of people really.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoyed and and don't tell our players, but now I've
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  Speaker 2: been given out fifty. But we've been with there some
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  Speaker 2: days where we'll have three, four, five MVPs just because,
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  Speaker 2: like you say, if somebody runs, somebody into an air
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  Speaker 2: or something like, you know, we try to reward those
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  Speaker 2: types of things.
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  Speaker 3: And I was getting tired of losing like four or five.
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  Speaker 2: So we did make it a little less I care about,
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  Speaker 2: but not to the point where I one be broke.
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get to your Reds players, I actually have
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  Speaker 1: one player I wanted to ask you about that you
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  Speaker 1: used to manage your cashed out big time this offseason
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  Speaker 1: in Josh Naylor made himself. I think it's ninety two
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  Speaker 1: and a half mil on a contract. I remember I
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  Speaker 1: used to call a lot of games in the Midwest,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of Cleveland games and talking to you
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  Speaker 1: about Josh and about all the talent potential and the
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  Speaker 1: drive and how proud are you of what he's become
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  Speaker 1: because when he first came to the league as a
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  Speaker 1: pub I mean, you can explain it better than I can.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was full of emotions and he
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  Speaker 1: was like what do I do with them? And you
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  Speaker 1: helped him figure that out?
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm kind of glad you brought that up.
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  Speaker 2: We played Seattle a couple days ago and before the game,
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  Speaker 2: Nails came over and came over to our dugout, gave
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  Speaker 2: me a big hug and said, thank you. And you
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  Speaker 2: have no idea what's something like that? How it makes
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  Speaker 2: a manager feel because with Dale's, like you said, he
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  Speaker 2: had a ton of energy and we always were trying
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  Speaker 2: to get it funneled in the right direction. But and
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  Speaker 2: so when a player comes up to you a couple
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  Speaker 2: years later and says that I really appreciate it. Man,
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  Speaker 2: my day was already good and we hadn't even thrown
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  Speaker 2: a pitch yet.
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  Speaker 4: That's great. Now you're in Cincinnati and you have a
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  Speaker 4: guy in Ellie de la Cruz, maybe not as emotional,
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  Speaker 4: but with that much energy. So how do you funnel
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  Speaker 4: his energy into the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: His energy is really good Ellie's you know, we people
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  Speaker 2: forget Ellie's young. You know, he's still learning on the job.
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  Speaker 2: I think last year was really good for him in
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  Speaker 2: a sense that he played hurt, played every game. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I did him a ton of favors. I
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  Speaker 2: think we need to manage I mean to manage that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit better this year, and I will.
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  Speaker 4: He came an off day after two spring training games
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  Speaker 4: to see.
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  Speaker 3: That to him.
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  Speaker 2: We're working on it, working on aggravating. He's a wonderful kid.
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  Speaker 2: This kid will try to do anything you ask. The
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  Speaker 2: thing we've tried to explain to him is with your tools,
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  Speaker 2: if you just do it in though, in the confines
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  Speaker 2: of us winning a game, your tools are going to
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  Speaker 2: show through. And that's what we care about.
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  Speaker 5: Is there somebody that you I hate when guys do comparisons,
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  Speaker 5: but you've been around the game so much. Compare somebody
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  Speaker 5: that had the same energy. I'm not talking skill level
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  Speaker 5: because I think his skill level could you know, the
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  Speaker 5: ceiling may maybe higher than we can even look, but
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  Speaker 5: like the same energy level and what he brings in
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  Speaker 5: a clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: You know they're they're completely different players, but I would
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  Speaker 2: say like they're motor like a Jose Ramirez. You know,
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  Speaker 2: somebody asked me the other day, how about managing Jose?
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  Speaker 2: You don't manage him. You just wind him up and
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  Speaker 2: get out of his way. And that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: And because other players follow them, and at least the
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  Speaker 2: same here where guys watch him and even at that age,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a lot of extra I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: say pressure, but you know it's there's some things to
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  Speaker 2: think about because when he's playing the game the way
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  Speaker 2: he's supposed to, a lot of our guys have their
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  Speaker 2: chest out a little bit more. And and it's real.
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  Speaker 2: And we've told him that would you give some of
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  Speaker 2: your own money to sign him to an extension? Were
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  Speaker 2: you and the Reds went to him and said, here's
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  Speaker 2: a franchise record extension. Did you pull out that krusty
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  Speaker 2: hunter and say I'll throw in a hundred in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: a minute in a minute. I mean, we love the kid,
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  Speaker 2: and you know what, nobody begrudges. You know, players have
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  Speaker 2: a right to either take money early, bet on themselves late.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, and we have him for four more
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  Speaker 2: years regardless, but that's a personal preference and nobody will
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  Speaker 2: ever hold that against him.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Tito, what's with the new look body for Elie
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  Speaker 1: de la Cruz. It looks like he's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more jacked coming into camp. He's growing into baby.
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  Speaker 3: Does to me too.
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  Speaker 2: You know, same thing with McClain, man, they look like
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  Speaker 2: they really got after it. And you know the guys now, man,
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  Speaker 2: they do so good in the offseason, and I remind
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  Speaker 2: him of that all the time. I'm like, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: work so hard. There's a reason you do it. It's
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  Speaker 2: for the games. So I don't work your rear end
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  Speaker 2: off and then jogged down to first That doesn't make
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  Speaker 2: sense to me, And I just try to remind them
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  Speaker 2: that all the time because they are. They're really good workers.
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  Speaker 5: One of the things I noticed when I was with
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  Speaker 5: you in spring training was how intentional you set up
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  Speaker 5: the lockers in your locker room. Can you tell me
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  Speaker 5: a couple of the pods or groups that you intentionally
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  Speaker 5: set where you get your locker and then you have
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  Speaker 5: somebody around them, or you have somebody that you put
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  Speaker 5: in between certain guys. Is there any pods that you
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  Speaker 5: intentionally thought of this year that you feel like will
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  Speaker 5: really help guys.
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  Speaker 2: No, because I actually was comfortable where they were before.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what's amazing in this group here, there
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  Speaker 2: are no pods. Everybody's together, and you know, we have
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  Speaker 2: a nine o'clock meeting every morning, and every day when
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  Speaker 2: we go in there at nine o'clock, everybody's sitting facing us.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's eating breakfast. It's one of the things I noticed
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  Speaker 2: right away. And I love it because when you talk
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  Speaker 2: to them, they're listening, and like you say, they don't
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  Speaker 2: have bacon or syrup going down their shirt, and they
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  Speaker 2: listen to what you're saying, and they're not late. And
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  Speaker 2: I really love that about this group. That's an outstanding
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  Speaker 2: It's it is, and it's it's not a little thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big deal because I think when you're late,
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  Speaker 2: you're announcing to everybody that what we're doing is not
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  Speaker 2: a priority, and this has to be a priority.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed. Agreed.
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  Speaker 4: You guys made the playoffs last year, and again it
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  Speaker 4: didn't go as y'all oneed a two against Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine, but you did make the playoffs. How can
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  Speaker 4: you take the next step this year? Because I think
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  Speaker 4: people forget that you guys were in the postseason last year,
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  Speaker 4: and now you bring in Suarez. You make some other
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: moves that are nice moves, and people say, oh, they
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: didn't make the big splash in Schwarber, but Gino's pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: I'll hit you, yes, yes, How do you continue the
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  Speaker 4: momentum you gain last year and take the next step,
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  Speaker 4: which would be going deep.
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  Speaker 3: In the playoffs?
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  Speaker 2: One I thought our guys, and by that I mean
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  Speaker 2: ownership in front office. I thought they did a great
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  Speaker 2: job because sometimes standing in your lane is important, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we kind of know who we are. You
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  Speaker 2: don't always make splashy moves. But they really made our
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  Speaker 2: bullpen a lot deeper, which for me, it really.
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  Speaker 3: Leaves your heart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, sake, my goodness sake. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we won eighty three games. That was not our goal.
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  Speaker 2: We did, we worked, and we won. We got in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs. I told our guys, remember how good it
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  Speaker 2: felt the pop champagne that they in Milwaukee, but also
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  Speaker 2: remember three days later how much it hurt when we
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  Speaker 2: got sent home before we were ready. You try to
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  Speaker 2: take anything, whether it's good, bad, or in between, and
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  Speaker 2: use it to your advantage, and you're right. As long
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  Speaker 2: as our trajectory is going this way, I'm okay with
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  Speaker 2: what we did last year.
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  Speaker 5: Who do you see is somebody that maybe had a
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  Speaker 5: down year last year, but it needs to come into
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  Speaker 5: spring training to show you something that Normally when you
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: look at spring training, it's like, all right, whatever, the
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  Speaker 5: dude hit four point fifty, but you know he's getting
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  Speaker 5: a lot of laid at bats. Who is somebody that
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  Speaker 5: needs to show you something for this year coming out?
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  Speaker 2: Well, when you started that question, I was gonna immediately
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  Speaker 2: answer McClean, but then you said needs to show Mattie's
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  Speaker 2: going to be our second basement. I do think there's
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  Speaker 2: so much more in there with him, to the point,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the confidence I have in him. I was
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  Speaker 2: probably stubborn moving him out of the two hole because
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  Speaker 2: I have so much confidence in him. But he plays
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  Speaker 2: the game. Even when he was struggling, you never saw
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  Speaker 2: him throwing stuff. He played defense, He runs a basis
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  Speaker 2: really well. He had that shoulder and sometimes it takes
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: guys some time. You know they can play, but they're
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: not the same player. He showed up. He's about twelve
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: pounds heavier in a good way, not like me and
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: he looks like, I mean, this guy's a good baseball
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: player and there's a lot in there and we want
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: to get it out of him.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, Tito, what do you think of all of these
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: rookie managers, this whole class coming in this year? So
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: what did you think of the change? I mean, I
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: know this happens usually in sprinkles, but there were so
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: many from different backgrounds that didn't involve being a manager
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: already in the big leagues. And do you feel like
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: someone who has a lot of dirt in your spikes
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: as a manager in the bigs, you can have an advantage.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, a rookie manager think back to when you
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: were a rookie manager is going to make mistakes. There's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: no chance they're going to be as good in year
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: one as they would be in year five.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I hope you're right.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I do think you know, some of these young guys,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: they're really smart and and gms and owners are betting
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: on people, and I get it. Personally, I don't think
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I could have done it. I went to the minor
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: leagues and that took that route, and I got to
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: make my mistakes that weren't on Sports Center, and it
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: worked for me. But there's something like Kevin Cash never
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: managed in the minor. He didn't need to. He's really good.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't think I could have done it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: But they're betting on people, and I know the guys
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I've talked to, they're pretty impressive. So it keeps us
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: going because I know if I just stay like, well,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: this is what I've always done, that's not gonna work.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: We got to keep working at it. They're going to
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: pass us right by.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: All right, what's the one thing from your year off
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: that you miss the most? Because when everybody's off, everyone
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: asked what do you miss the most from baseball? What
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: do you miss most from your year off?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: You know? Okay, so originally I didn't and that probably
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: spoke volumes that I needed the time off.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: But the ninth inning, man is like a drug.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, I'm telling you, man, it's like your
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: heart's in your throat and you think you're gonna win.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: You're not sure how, and it's like you know, but
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: but when you get tired and you it gets a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: little it overwhelms you a little bit. But that part
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: of the game, man is oh my god, like like
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: my hands are sweating now, Like, I love that part
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: of the game. And when you go through with people,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: like I love our kids. They're good kids. They try
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: to do the right thing, and I like going through
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: it with them. And so when we lose, it's not them,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and when we win, it's stop us. It's always us.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And I like trying to figure things out with people
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: that I respect. That's what we have here.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: We had Will Benson on the other night at the charity.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Event speaking of guys you respect.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Oh and just guys you want to do well, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: mean you want to adopt him route for Will Benson,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I mentioned to him that you managed Michael Jordan and
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: he had no idea. How many players do you think
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: out there? If I went nasked, knew that you managed
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Michael Jordan in the minor leagues. And then because I'm
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: to think the number is pretty low. And then my
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: other question is what did you learn from mj about
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: leadership and winning? Because he's one. I mean I was
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: winning NASCAR, he won, and then he won to get
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: So what did he teach you about leaders.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So I think the number when I first came here
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: last year was really low. Now that I've been here
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: year they've kind of heard it at times, but I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: think the number is probably still pretty low as to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: what I learned. I didn't even realize the time a J.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I was trying to survive. I mean, you're in double A.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You're just happy the games on radio, and now all
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you got national media. You got to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: arguably the most high profile athlete. But he was so good,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: he was so respectful of our game. It made it
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: easy to be patient with baseball because you had to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: because he hadn't played.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: But you're right.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw this guy break ping pong, paddles, tennis, rackets,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: golf clubs. I mean, winning is what he's all about.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And I respected that in him and I still do
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to this day.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: That's awesome it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I mean lessons in life you learn from.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you learn everywhere you can. And I
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: got lucky, and I know it. I was fortunate. I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: got put in a position by the luck of the draw,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and I was really fortunate.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: That's really cool. Well, Tito, we really appreciate the time.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Awesome to catch up with you. Good luck this season.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: We'll talk son.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Oh you got it, guys, thank you so much.
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• 20:55
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• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati team that made the postseason last year. Successful run
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: for the National League Central. Sometimes it doesn't get the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: best rap, and that includes from Us Kratz, But if
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you look at last year, Cubs made the playoffs, Reds
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: made the playoffs, Brewers had the best record in baseball.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Pirates should be better this year. Cardinals should be worse
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this year. So first off, let's start with what happened
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in the offseason for Cincinnati. Amliopegan staying put with the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: team for at least one, if not two more seasons.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: He has the player option after this year. They do
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: lose Nick Martinez, who's kind of a do it all
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: guy for them. Zach Lettel also put some nice innings
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: together for them down the stretch. Gavin Lux is gone,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: but they did add some some talent here. Let's start
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: with the lineup, so some guys have actually been here
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: for a minute now. TJ. Friedel, Ellie is Ellie and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: hopefully a healthy season for Ellie. I know he played
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: every game last year, but he was, as you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: some were saying, dealing with an injury. Here it is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Noel vi Marte in there, Sal Stewart a full season
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: from him, the big Geno Suarez acquisition, Tyler Stevenson still
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: above average at the catcher spot. Matt McLean hopefully bouncing
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: back after you know, the shoulder surgery from two years
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: ago looked like it was still holding him back last year.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Key Brian Hayes over at third base is still one
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of the best in the visit at picking the ball,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: has his offensive issues. JJ Bledet added to the outfield
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: among a few others to try and fill in the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: mix there. Dane Myers in the outfield. So let's start
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: with the lineup. What do we think? Man?
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I have always been so high on this lineup. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: love I love the young guys that they had in here.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: I'm a you know, I've been a Spencer Steer fan
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: where he ends up where that ends up going for them,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: like TJ Friedel, Matty McLean, like guys that are maybe
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: like the afterthoughts sometime. For this lineup, I feel like
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: can be that above average hitter. I mean, one hundred
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: ops plus is average, so anything above that, I just
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: feel like everybody in this lineup can be an above
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: average hitter because like I just I feel like they
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: haven't lived up to it. How many years do you
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: not live up to that hype and all of a
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: sudden you lose it, like then all of a sudden, well,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: you know, just never. Maybe he's just not good enough.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: But to me, I think the middle of this lineup,
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: where it is the projected lineup, is the key here.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: It's not key Brian Hayes being who the Pirates thought
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: he was gonna be. He's gonna be your goal glove
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: defensive third baseman. To me, it's in that. It's in
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: that five to six hole right now, that's South Stewart.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Does Spencer Steer figure out a position to play, even
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: though he kind of got pushed out a little bit?
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Does Noel vi Marte kind of slide into that five
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: to six hole they have him in in the two
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: spot right now. But to me, South Stewart and Tyler Stevenson,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: which he'll kind of concede a little bit to Jose
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Travino too, because it's one of those things that like
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: they're trying to put their best twenty six guys out there,
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: and when you do that, you don't have a consistent
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: lineup and I think the middle of that order is
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: what's going to drive this team to have success because
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: then the lower guys in the order can start picking
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: up the slack like I think they need to. And
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: all of this is happening because they have a superstar
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: in Ellie or a budding superstar in Elie. I don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: think he's reached superstar status yet. And they brought in
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: an aircraft carrier with low loan base percentage in a Hineosuarez,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: who could hit thirty five easily in this in this stadium.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's comfy there, he's hit there before. He
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: brings something on the veteran mix too. That's important. I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: think Gino it's got the special sauce as a clubhouse leader.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So we had this up with the lineup and the potential.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I think the pitching really took a step last year.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: The pitching is getting so good stuff wise that it's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: starting to make the park appear as if it's more
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of a pitching park, and that I do not believe yet.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Sure is it tilting a little bit, perhaps, but it
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: helps when you have Hunter Green, Andrew Rabbit, Brady Singer,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Nicolodolo Chase Burns written down for now as you're starting
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: rotation for the opening week of the season. Now there's
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: your bullpen as we're looking at it too, led by
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Pagan at the back end, Santine, Ashcraft, Brockberg, Connor, Phillips,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: really good stuff, etc. Okay, so let's look at what
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Fangrafts projects and what bet MGM has. So bet MGM
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: has them at eighty one and a half. I'll take
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the over. I think we all did there. Fangrafts projection,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: say seventy eight point seven on the wins number. Let's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: look at where they're at in the division. We've got
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the Pirates ahead of them, the Pirates ahead of the Brewers.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I know we went over this the other day when
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we were at Brewers camp. So they've got Cubs at
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: eighty six point one, Pirates eighty three point zero, Brewers
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: eighty two point zero, Red seventy eight point seven, Cardinals
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: seventy five point one. What do you think the Reds
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: are only a few games ahead of the Cardinals this year?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: No, that gap is to me, that's a ten game gap,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: and I think I would I would go against you
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: said you felt like the starting rotation took a jump
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: last year. I think twenty twenty four they took that jump,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: and I think in twenty twenty five they showed it
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: wasn't a fluke. Hunter Green wasn't healthy the entire year
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: and he still had a really good year. So to me,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: it's so hard to guess the win totals. I think
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: the win totals could be pretty close because one of
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: the reasons that the teams in the three teams in
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: the Central made it was because the Central sucked. The
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Central was not very good, so you were beating up
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: on some of those lower level teams, and the Reds
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: were essentially they were a weekend away from being a
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: five hundred team. If you only win eighty three games,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: you're essentially just hanging around five hundred, and then bang,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: they won two extra games and won eighty three. So
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: is this team better? Yes, I think this entire division
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: is better. Is that going to help or hurt their
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: win totals? They're gonna have to grind to get to
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: five hundred this year just because everybody else is that
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: much better. Like I am, I was high on the
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Reds last year. I thought they were gonna win the division.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I thought it was their year to win the division,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: and their offense did not do what I think their
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: offense is capable of doing. But this rotation and the
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: things they added to this bullpen, I love it. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: really do love this team. I think they're better than
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: the Pirates.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, I think they're better than the Pirates.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: But Paul Skiings is sometimes when you have an a
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: and you can run them out there, and you're like, dude,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: we have a chance to win today. They have a chance.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: They score three runs, they might win. He might win
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: twenty of his games. You have a turnaround of where
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: one of your pitchers is winning twenty games, and this
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: day and age, twenty games is a ridiculous number. When
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: you get to sixteen to eighteen games, it's you have
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: a chance of leading the league. To me, I just
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: I think that's the part where I think Fangrafts and
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: everybody's valuing and has that eighty three eighty three wins
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: for the Pirates is Paul Skiing is a generational type
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: of pitcher to the start of his career. You just
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: don't know where that's going to lead. This team that
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: added a ton of home runs with O'Hearn and and
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Loo and they added Marcelo Zuna, like they've added home
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: runs to a team that didn't hit any home runs.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: So is that enough to push them over. I can't
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: say it's not. I just I think the Reds team's better.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, better team. The Red's lost a little
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: bit on the pitching side, but I think they've got
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the reinforcements there. They have really focused organization wise on pitching,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: on drafting pitching. The pitching development has been excellent for them.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: But you've consistently seen a theme from them. Right when
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: they have a high pick in the draft lately, they're
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: often targeting an arm. I mean, the prime example was
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: when they chose Chase Burns instead of Charlie Condon in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the draft a couple of years ago. And we'll see
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: how that plays out over the next several years. But
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: right now they were saying, hey, it's hard for us
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to recruit pitching sometimes, so let's get the best arms
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: from the draft, often in college, and let's get them
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: up to the show quickly to help us out.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: We talk about building the infrastructure too. Years ago, in
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: nineteen they took Derek Johnson, who was on our show
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: just a few weeks ago they took them away from
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: the Brewers. The Brewers have since continued to make the playoffs,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: but they took them away from the Brewers with a
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: long term extent, a long term contract which pitching coaches,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: hitting coaches, bench coaches, all those guys don't get They're
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: usually year to year guys. So when you can say,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: you know what, we're committing to one type of pitching
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: coach that has now seemed to show dividends, they realize
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: it's tough to get pictures in and they wanted to
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: develop them, and so they started at to me what's
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: called the ground level, and then they're drafting these guys
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: and then they come up with a organizational philosophy, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's so it's a total organization creating and
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: developing these really really good pitchers.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Good call. If you're watching this after the fact, let
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: us know your thoughts on the Reds. Drop of comment.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Let's get to Leo bet imjam futures one hundred plus wins,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: we did ninety plus yesterday, Kratz one hundred plus. There's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: one team, the Dodgers at minus one forty, and then
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the rest of baseball is some nice plus money. Do
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you think there are any other teams that have a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: legit chance at one hundred plus? Where do you find
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: value here? Obviously you're not finding value with the Dodgers
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: at one forty. I would actually recommend skipping that. Mets,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yankees plus six hundred, Phillies plus seven hundred Jay's Braves,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and Mariners are at plus eight hundred. Thoughts.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Again, I said it the other day. To me, the
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: value on here is the Mariners. Why because the Mets
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: have to play the Phillies and Dodgers. The Yankees have
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: to play the Blue Jays, the Red Sox and the Orioles.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: Like there's just to get to one hundred wins, they
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: are gonna have to absolutely beat the other teams up,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: and they're going to beat themselves up. The Dodgers. I
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: don't want to take them. We've talked about this endlessly.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: They don't want to win one hundred games. They don't
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: care about winning one hundred games. They care about winning
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the World Series. So I don't think it's an important
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: number for them. Could they do it? Absolutely, That's why
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: the number is where it is. But if you're going
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: to take a number here, give me plus eight hundred
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: for the Mariners. If you think anybody's going to win
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: one hundred games. To me, the easiest route, which still
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: is a really difficult route, would be the Mariners.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: We'll have to see if there's a special and if not,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes we can actually request this and see if they
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: can cook something up within the bet MGM app I'd
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: like to take the field the field work no last year, Yeah, nobody,
• 32:43
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