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The Greatest Ancient Mysteries Ever Discussed on Joe Rogan Podcast · Bedtime Stories

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  Speaker 1: Observations about stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Recognize that things change.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sub-Saharan Africa used to be lush greenlands. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: find whale bones in Sub-Saharan Africa in the desert. In
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  Speaker 2: the desert, they find whale skeletons in the desert way before.
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  Speaker 1: There were cars. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Way before there were plastic and power plants. So
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  Speaker 2: the Earth's climate has never been static. But The Machu
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  Speaker 2: Picchu thing is– I really want to go there. My
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  Speaker 2: friend Luke Caverns, he's been on the podcast before. He's
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  Speaker 2: studied– Tom's.
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  Speaker 1: Been three times.
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  Speaker 2: Has he really?
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  Speaker 1: But as a kid. That's what I meant.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Families.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So they're like, oh, it's a one-hour flight from Lima.
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  Speaker 1: And then just take the train. But like– Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty wild. So you're saying it wasn't even the Aztecs?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you told me?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the Incas.
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  Speaker 1: Incas, Incas, Incas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. They don't think it was. They think
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  Speaker 2: the initial monolithic structures or megalithic structures were an earlier,
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  Speaker 2: previously unknown civilization because the size and scope of their structures,
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  Speaker 2: the way they build it, and Graham Hancock has gone
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  Speaker 2: over this as well, is so much different than the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that's on top of it. So what happens is
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  Speaker 2: you have this old stuff that's enormous stones that are
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  Speaker 2: cut like jigsaws, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And almost like it's melted, like the way it looks.
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  Speaker 1: You can't put a piece of paper through it after
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  Speaker 1: 200 years of like breakdowns.
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  Speaker 2: Way more than 200 years. It's thousands of years. But
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  Speaker 2: the thing that's really nutty about it is that design
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  Speaker 2: is because when they have earthquakes, that way it won't fall.
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  Speaker 1: Off, right?
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  Speaker 2: It disperses the energy better as opposed to just stacking
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  Speaker 2: stuff on top of each other. That stuff falls. But
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  Speaker 2: when it's all interlocked in these weird forms, like that shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Che Guevara talks about it a little bit
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  Speaker 1: where he goes– so Cusco is the gem of South America.
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  Speaker 1: It was the border of the Andes where people would
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  Speaker 1: come in and do trade and everything.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you see this and the Christians will come in,
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  Speaker 1: take over and build like facades on it and put
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  Speaker 1: a cross on top to be like, look what we did.
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  Speaker 1: We're more dominant than these people. And then an earthquake
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  Speaker 1: could come. The facade would fall, and this would just remain.
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  Speaker 2: That stuff remains.
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  Speaker 1: Over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: Over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: These aren't even squares. Look at that. It's like Tetris.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool. And that was on purpose. They
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  Speaker 2: did that because that's what would survive. But if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the stuff above it, that's the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: the Incas made. So the Incas made this stuff. It's
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  Speaker 2: all just stacked. It's not as sophisticated and also not
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  Speaker 2: as large because they didn't have the technology. Whatever the
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  Speaker 2: fuck these people had that was huge.
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  Speaker 1: Look how big that rock is.
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  Speaker 2: Hundreds and thousands of tons. I mean, these things are
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  Speaker 2: fucking enormous. The really crazy one is the Lebanon ones.
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  Speaker 2: In Lebanon... I've been there.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, no.
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  Speaker 3: Have you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jordan. Jordan, I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So in Lebanon, they have these massive stones. What are
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  Speaker 2: they called, Jamie? The trilithon stones? So there's these stones
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  Speaker 2: that are like more than a thousand tons. And they're
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  Speaker 2: like several meters above the ground placed. And then on
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  Speaker 2: top of them, You have these Roman structures.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
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  Speaker 2: So if you see like there, like that click where
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  Speaker 2: you had your cursor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the size of that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And look at the size of that stone. And then
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  Speaker 2: you see the stuff on top of it is smaller.
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  Speaker 2: It's not as sophisticated. And then you had the Roman. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the thing about the Romans is Romans had meticulous record keeping.
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  Speaker 2: And they talked about all the construction of all the
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  Speaker 2: different things they had. They don't even mention those stones.
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  Speaker 2: They don't mention how they meet. No, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it was them. I think it was a previous civilization.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that fucking thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, bro, I'm about to. Do you know Nazca Lines? Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I saw them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, did you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I flew over them.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, how weird is that?
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  Speaker 1: They're so big. The pictures won't do it justice because
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  Speaker 1: you'll see a road. They didn't know because from the
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  Speaker 1: ground level, you can't see any of it. And so
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  Speaker 1: they just build these roads through the desert. And so
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  Speaker 1: you can see a car sometimes for perspective. And you're like,
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  Speaker 1: it's this dot on this giant monkey. In the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the desert.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: For however many hundreds of years. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They don't even know how long.
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  Speaker 1: They're crazy. Weird. And they're all like signals to something.
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  Speaker 1: There's all these theories on what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Something from the sky. You have to see them from above.
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  Speaker 1: You can only see them from above.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Pilots would go over there and then somebody's like, what's that?
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  Speaker 1: I go, oh yeah, we don't know. We just kind
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  Speaker 1: of go over.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they found a bunch of them now because of AI.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they've like scanned the areas and found a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of previously undiscovered Nazca lines.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the weird thing about it is that's also
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  Speaker 2: the place where they find these people with elongated skulls.
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  Speaker 2: They find like these weird skulls that have additional capacity.
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  Speaker 2: So they have like 30% more capacity and they, they
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  Speaker 2: don't have the same lines in their skulls that we have.
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  Speaker 2: Like when we're babies, you know, we have these, what
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  Speaker 2: are they called? Sagittal. I forget what the lines are called.
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  Speaker 6: Sagittal crest.
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  Speaker 2: These lines that we have in our skull, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like your skulls, not just one piece, right? It's like,
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of pieces that merge together.
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  Speaker 1: The inkers used to tie them off so they'd get
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  Speaker 1: longer as a sign of like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but some of these skulls don't have the same
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  Speaker 2: structure as ours. They're human skulls, but they're longer. They
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  Speaker 2: have more capacity, 30% larger capacity, and they don't have
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  Speaker 2: those lines that we have. So it's like, what was that?
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  Speaker 2: Were there different kinds of humans back then?
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  Speaker 1: They died out.
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  Speaker 2: Were they flying around? Were they flying around and making
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  Speaker 2: these fucking structures? Were they responsible for Sacsayhuaman and Machu
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  Speaker 2: Picchu and all these other places? And they just died
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  Speaker 2: off and all we have left is like some skulls
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  Speaker 2: that we can't totally explain?
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  Speaker 1: We don't have the means to explain it yet.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because if it was 20,000 years ago or 30,000
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  Speaker 2: years ago or whatever it was that these people were
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  Speaker 2: ruling back then, what would be left? Fucking nothing. Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Very little.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Angkor Wat where it's like, That's crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't see it. It's shocking. Any of it remained. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Angkor Wat's crazy. And how about that other one
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  Speaker 2: in India where the entire temple's carved out of one stone?
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  Speaker 1: Or the one in Jordan. What is those places? The
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  Speaker 1: Indiana Jones one. What's that called? That's where I went
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  Speaker 1: with my brother. Yeah, what is that called?
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  Speaker 2: What is it, Jimmy?
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  Speaker 1: Petra.
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  Speaker 4: Petra.
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  Speaker 1: It's nuts. You come through this canyon and it's just
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  Speaker 1: in a mountain. A giant three-story mountain. temple that is
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  Speaker 1: just carved out of the mountain. It wasn't added to.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And where's the stone? Where'd you put the stones? What'd
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  Speaker 2: you do?
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  Speaker 1: That view, coming out of the middle one, coming out
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  Speaker 1: of that cavern and seeing it after about an hour hike.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You have to see a human. See how small that
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  Speaker 1: person is in the middle? That is so crazy. So like, what?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of Derinkuyu?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: In Turkey? This is crazy. You want to hear this one?
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  Speaker 1: It's a place or a person?
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  Speaker 2: It's a place. So I think they found this because
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  Speaker 2: someone was doing like construction on a house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they found a path. Oh, so this is what
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  Speaker 2: it was. So a guy kept losing his chickens. They
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  Speaker 2: would go through a hole and they would never come out.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy was like, well, where the fuck are
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  Speaker 2: these chickens going? So they broke down the wall to
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  Speaker 2: figure out where the chickens go. And they found an
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  Speaker 2: underground city that can hold 20,000 people.
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  Speaker 1: Turkey?
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  Speaker 2: With many, many levels.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Like, many levels deep into the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It's fucking bananas.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's like an anthill. I watched a documentary. Now, you see... Wow. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you see where you... Could you please go back to
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  Speaker 2: that one image with the houses? Yeah, like that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: so this guy... It was like behind a fucking wall
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  Speaker 2: in a house. So these chickens would go into the
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  Speaker 2: hole and they would just disappear. So I was like,
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  Speaker 2: where's my fucking chickens? So the guy starts digging around
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  Speaker 2: to try to figure out where the chickens go and
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  Speaker 2: they found this. And I want to say they found
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  Speaker 2: this in like the 20th century. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: the 20s I just saw. 1920s?
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  Speaker 6: Like 29 maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So they forgot about it?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody knew about it. Nobody knew who made it. There
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  Speaker 2: was no record of it. And it can house 20,000
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  Speaker 2: people in there.
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  Speaker 1: What was it for?
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  Speaker 2: No one knows. No one knows when. No one knows who.
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  Speaker 2: No one knows nothing. There's other ones they found in China.
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  Speaker 2: They found this fucking insane one in China that also
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  Speaker 2: has no records. It's enormous, like enormous caverns with giant columns.
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  Speaker 2: It's all carved out of the stone. They moved millions
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  Speaker 2: of tons of rocks out of there. No record. No
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  Speaker 2: one knows where the stone went.
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  Speaker 1: I was staying with the Lakandans, Mayans, whatever. And we
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  Speaker 1: were on a hike and there was this little like
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  Speaker 1: abandoned temple just the size of this room. And so
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  Speaker 1: the guide was like, so now there's a tunnel in
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  Speaker 1: here to like the main temple. It's about a mile
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  Speaker 1: and a half away. And there's a tunnel where you
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  Speaker 1: can go through it. It takes a couple hours to walk.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, you know what my brother wants? He goes,
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  Speaker 1: I'll never go back. It's so frightening. And there's fucking
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  Speaker 1: pumas around. And you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Pumas in the tunnel?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're like, you can't see shit. He goes, it's
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  Speaker 1: a bad place. But it's this long underground tunnel that
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  Speaker 1: was made however long.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck? This is the one in China. This
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  Speaker 2: is one of the caves. So this is one of
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  Speaker 2: these caves in China. By the way, no record. No
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  Speaker 2: historical record of when it was created or who created it.
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  Speaker 2: And this is another one that they found. In 1992,
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  Speaker 2: they found it. Four farmers in Longview found the caves,
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  Speaker 2: and they drained the water from five small ponds in
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  Speaker 2: their village. The ponds turned out to be five large
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  Speaker 2: man-made caverns. Further investigation revealed 19 more caverns nearby. They've
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  Speaker 2: been determined to be more than 2,000 years old, and
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  Speaker 2: their construction is not recorded in any historical documents. Like,
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  Speaker 2: look how crazy. Please show some of those images.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the only one on this page.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking bananas. So they're just guessing that it's 2,000 years old.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. They're just like.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's no record. There's no record of it. But
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  Speaker 2: it's bananas. And they've also, those carvings, they think are post.
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  Speaker 1: Later people. Yeah. Post discovery. That's their way of doing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because you see how, like, those lines on the walls,
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  Speaker 2: that's how everything looks. It's just those carved straight lines.
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  Speaker 2: And it looks like. The other stuff was like more
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  Speaker 2: modern that.
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  Speaker 1: They carved in. You think it was lines just so
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  Speaker 1: that the erosion wouldn't hurt it as much?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, that might have been how
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  Speaker 2: they did it. They might have had some sort of
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  Speaker 2: a device that they carved the stone out with. But
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  Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Where is this on a map? Show me where Long
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  Speaker 1: Yu is on a map. I want to visit a
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  Speaker 1: lot of China. There's a lot of places in there
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  Speaker 1: that I'm like, don't know about.
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  Speaker 2: China's a big ass place.
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  Speaker 1: Back out, back out. China's so big.
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  Speaker 2: Long Yu Caverns.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going back. Keep going back. Let me see the context.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty deep in there. Good luck.
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  Speaker 2: It's near Wuhan.
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  Speaker 1: Look. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Take a train to Wuhan. Catch a bug.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Go eat some armadillo.
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  Speaker 2: Pangolin.
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  Speaker 1: Pangolin. That's how you got leprosy, eating armadillo and pangolin.
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  Speaker 1: You're really not supposed to eat those things.
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  Speaker 2: Go back to the images, please. The images are nuts, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what were these people doing? Like, who made this?
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  Speaker 1: I love standing in a place like that and just
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  Speaker 1: like you just instantly get connected to the history of it.
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  Speaker 2: Could you imagine it's 1992 and you're just draining a pond.
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  Speaker 1: You're a farmer.
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  Speaker 2: And then you drain the pond and you.
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  Speaker 1: Go, oh, there's a cave in here.
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  Speaker 2: And you go and you see this shit. And no
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  Speaker 2: one knows who made it. And China, again. China has
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  Speaker 2: extensive historical records because China has existed for thousands and
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  Speaker 2: thousands of years. It's one of the few countries that's
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  Speaker 2: essentially been just China for 5,000 plus years. Bananas, man.
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  Speaker 1: Aquarium for real dragons.
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  Speaker 2: Keep it somewhere. Well, I mean, who made it and
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  Speaker 2: how did they make it? Like, how did they do that?
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  Speaker 1: And for what?
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  Speaker 2: For what purpose?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what?
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  Speaker 2: How did they make that 2,000 plus years? And by
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  Speaker 2: saying 2,000, it's like you're just.
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  Speaker 1: Taking a guess. 2,000 means, so there's a Joan Didion
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  Speaker 1: piece on El Salvador from a long time ago. And
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: she goes, they don't use numbers the way we use numbers.
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  Speaker 1: They say 50. It means a bunch.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, like 72 virgins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just a bunch, an amount.
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  Speaker 2: Like, bro, he went there a million times.
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  Speaker 1: Tons of, like, what is a ton?
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, bro, I smoke tons of joints.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not possible.
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  Speaker 1: Break it down.
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  Speaker 2: So Perplexity, our AI sponsor, says, no one knows for
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  Speaker 2: certain who created the Longview Caves. Archaeologists agree they are
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  Speaker 2: man-made and probably over 2,000 years old, but there's no
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  Speaker 2: record of their builders or patrons. That's crazy. That is
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  Speaker 2: so crazy. Oh, pottery and other finds inside date roughly
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  Speaker 2: to the late Qin or Western Han period, around 200 BCE,
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  Speaker 2: suggesting they were excavated at or before that time. But
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  Speaker 2: the thing is that pottery could have been someone who
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  Speaker 2: just left pottery later. It's like if you leave behind
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  Speaker 2: a cell phone in Egypt and 5,000 years from now,
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  Speaker 2: people say, oh, well, this is an iPhone 16.
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  Speaker 1: This must be from- But that means it has to
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  Speaker 1: be at least that old.
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  Speaker 2: Or older. At least that old or older. So it's
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  Speaker 2: at least 2,000 plus years old. But how crazy is
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  Speaker 2: that there's no known records?
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  Speaker 1: You should go in quick and just bury some shit
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  Speaker 1: from a long time ago. Get some artifacts and just
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  Speaker 1: leave it in there.
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  Speaker 2: How much shit like that is still out there in
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  Speaker 2: other parts of the world where they don't know about it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's like this tunnel that the Mayan guy said.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, no one knows. He goes, me
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  Speaker 1: and my friends know about it. Fuck. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: like everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about the Aztecs, about how the
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  Speaker 2: Aztecs– and this is another thing that I found out
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  Speaker 2: through perplexity when I was just– I was writing this
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  Speaker 2: thing about Mexico and about how crazy the history of
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: Mexico is. And that the Spaniards came over with essentially
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  Speaker 2: like 12 muskets and took over the whole country. But
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  Speaker 2: when they– when the Aztecs were living in these temples,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't build them. They called them the place where
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  Speaker 2: the gods were born. So they found them. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a previous civilization that like Teotihuacan– Thieu Chit Lan and
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  Speaker 2: all these other beautiful pyramids and temples. They don't know
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: who fucking made them, man. They don't know who made them.
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: That cave in Vietnam was found in 1991.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, I saw the 60 Minutes thing on that. Did
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: you see that?
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: That dude from 60 Minutes, like a dude and a
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: lady from 60 Minutes went and visited this cave. And
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's one cool thing about something like
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: 60 Minutes. That they would do something like that. Because
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: it's a long journey.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: You have to fly in, drive a long distance, then
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: hike a long distance.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Some of these places aren't any, nothing's there.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: You can fit skyscrapers inside of these caves. They have
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: their own ecosystems. Like there's clouds in there.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: And the Americas are very mysterious.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: It's, I mean.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Very comparable to Egypt. It was just in the amount
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: of questions that haven't been answered is insane. And, uh,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: the Olmec world is fascinating. And so, you know, there's, um, uh,
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: you know, Graham in, uh, in fingerprints of the gods,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: he talks about how the, the, uh, the Olmecs, he
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: thought that they may have like, like, uh, like African features.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: And of course that was 1995. And so, uh, I
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: don't know, 2015, you guys are talking and he's like,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: he's like, well, you know, I published that then, but
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: DNA research has come out that says that you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: these people don't have African DNA in them. And that
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: maybe this is Polynesian, maybe this is Australasian people intermixing,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: and that's why they have this unique look, whatever. But
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: in the Olmec world, there's this monument that is actually
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: called El Negro. And you look at it, and it's
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: not an Olmec, it is an African man. And, and
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: so I post about this on my ex account. And
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I just kind of like, list everything I've seen in
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: the Olmec world. And I'm like, you know, this is
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: really fascinating. Maybe this is evidence of Africans who were
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: in the Olmec world. And I hadn't seen this monument
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: before I saw it in person. Because you go in
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: the Olmec realm or the region in Mexico, and you
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: go to these museums and you look at the log
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: or the ledger that people have been on, and nobody
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: has visited this museum in the last four months. And
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: before that, it was six months before that. And these
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: monuments just kind of sit underneath these metal roofs to
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: protect them from the rain. And it's like this just...
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: this completely lost civilization.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Is there an image of this that's available online?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: So if you pull up an Olmec head, you'll see
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: that these guys are very different looking, and especially if
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: you can get... Yeah, yeah, there we go. Look at... Okay,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: so that's a... Yeah, okay, so that's a regular Olmec head.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: So you can see that these are two different races
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: of people. You know, the Olmecs have very soft features,
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: round faces... Big eyes, big lips, kind of big noses.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: They have very soft features. And this El Negro monument
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: has these high cheekbones, this defined jawline. But isn't there.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of variety just in, like, let's just say Italians.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of variety. So couldn't this just be
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: someone who's on a. a spectrum of features that, I mean,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's that much different than the Olmecs.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: You don't think so?
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: No, when I'm looking at it, I could, I mean,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I could imagine, like there's, like I said, just, you know,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: my nationality, Italian, so there's Italians with very thin faces
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and there's these big thick ones and like, People vary
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: quite a bit. There's enough similarities that I could say, oh,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: those could be the same people.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Well, the only counter I give to that is when
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: you visit the Olmec realm, you see a lot more
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: than just the heads. You see a lot of Olmec faces,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: dozens and dozens and dozens of them, maybe well over
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: a hundred. And when you've seen them all and you
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: kind of get a gist of like the way they
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: generally look, this guy will really stand out. Like I
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: took like a group of students there and we all,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: as soon as we all came in and saw it,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: based on everything we'd been seeing for the past week,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: it immediately stood out to us.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly the thick brow is unique to all the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Olmec wearing helmets.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: And that hair as well. It's kind of that curly hair.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Or at least it looks like it to me. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: so anyways, you know, he could be Olmec. I don't,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: you know, my identity is not tied up in what
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I think this is or is not.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Also, Olmec could be African. Like very, very clearly. That
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: one on the left, Easily could be an African man.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: This guy right here? This one. The one next to
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the white one. To the left of that. Yeah, right there.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Easily could be an African man.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: It certainly does look that way. But I was on
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: a plane to Mexico a couple months ago. And I
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: was going into the Olmec realm. And I was like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: I wanted to take a picture of this guy. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I looked to the left of me. And he was
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: an Olmec man sitting next to me. And he didn't
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: look like any Mexican I've ever seen. There's something there
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: with the DNA of the Olmec people. that is definitely
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: connected with something else that, that you don't see if
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you go to the Maya realm that you don't see
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: if you go to like Mexico city, they have something
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: in their DNA. They have this very specific look about them.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what it is, but I'm like
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: looking and I'm like, this old man guy next to me.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So fascinating because it clearly could have been African explorers
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that made it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what, um, could we look up, um, Oh, gosh.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Look up the Traveler Olmec monument, if you would please, Jamie.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: It's the Traveler. I want to call him, I think
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: he's Monument 13. There's another one called Monument 19 that
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: we should look at. But he's this man that's very
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: clearly not, there we go, top left, the one that's
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: on Reddit. In fact, this might be my post on Reddit.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, sir.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: So this guy right here, all right. So this is really,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: really fascinating. So let's diagnose this all right so flags
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: flags are invented is very unknown fact flags are invented
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: or the first place that we have evidence for is
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: along the nile valley um on these pre-dynastic pots uh
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: which they're not the not the stone vases but just
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: like clay pottery, they would make little paintings on them.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: And people have these riverboats that have these flags on them.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: And the flags would say what city you had come
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: from or what village you had come from. And so
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: flags are an old world thing. We don't have any
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: evidence of flags in the new world. All right, he's
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: also wearing a turban. He's got this big turban that's
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: draping off the back of his head. And he very
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: clearly has this distinct beard that's popping out. Now, Native Americans...
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they can, you know, they're Asiatic. They have Asian DNA.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: And Asians don't really grow typically. Sometimes they'll grow the
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: little like stache and a little bit of a beard here,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: but they don't have that big thick beard that you
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: would see, you know, like in Europe or along the
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Mediterranean in the Middle East. And so this guy has
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: this big thick beard, and then he's got boots on
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: his feet as well. And we think that these glyphs
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: that you see to his left and right, These are really,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: really early Olmec glyphs, and they interpret that foot to
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: the left as saying that he came from somewhere. He
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: was a traveler. And so the thought here is, so
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: this is around 900 B.C., give or take a little bit.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: They really have no idea when these are made. Like
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: you go to all the monuments, and it says made
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: somewhere between 1500 B.C. and 400 B.C. They'll say 1500 B.C.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and 400 B.C., And so they really are uncertain about
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: how old a lot of these monuments are.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Make it big again, James, please.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: But if we shoot for dead center 900 BC, the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Phoenicians out of the Mediterranean are launching these sailing expeditions
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: around the coast of Africa. These are the ancient world's
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: greatest sailors that we know of. And so there were
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: like experimental, archaeological or scientific, I don't know, expeditions done
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: that show if you, would send one of these early
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Iron Age boats, or if you send any ship out
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: of the gates of Hercules or the Strait of Gibraltar,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: and you send it out into the Atlantic, and it
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: drifts just a little bit too far without turning south
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: along the African coast, it will be carried by a
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: current across the Atlantic Ocean down into the Bahamas, the Caribbean,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and straight into the Gulf of Mexico. And if that
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: had happened, if people who had looked like they're in
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: the old world like this guy If that had happened,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: somebody from the old world, the largest civilization at the time,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: the empire in this area would have been the Olmecs.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: And the reason I feel so strongly about that is
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: because we do not have flags, turbans, or boots in
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: the ancient Americas. This guy looks nothing like a Native American.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: And the flag, turban, and boots are all old world features.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You know what's fascinating to me, too? The image on
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the lower right of the bird's head looks very similar
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to the carvings on Gobekli Tepe.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Doesn't it?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, very. The curve of the beak, that's not how
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: birds' beaks look. That's a very distinct style of artwork.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: If you can find the images of the birds from
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Gobekli Tepe.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: It's this raised relief art style. So people talk about
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: it a lot with Gobekli Tepe. I mean, think about this.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: This is this is 11,600 years ago, and you have
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: artisans and stonemasons who have been practicing for so long
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: that now they're able to take a blank piece of
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: stone and carve the face off to reveal the artwork
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: from underneath it. Not carve the artwork into the stone,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: but carve the stone away and reveal this sculpture from underneath.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: How similar does that look? It's bizarre, right?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Real similar.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: And so it's the exact same kind of, art style
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: that you see in the Olmec realm.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The 3D stone carvings. Instead of carving it
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: directly into the stone, carve the stone around it. They're
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: both doing the same thing. It takes a lot of time.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, how.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: A lot more effort.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Could you imagine?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Weird.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Weird stuff. It's also, like, the idea that this is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: documenting time.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You know, the handbags or whatever those things are, what
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it actually is, is the sun going over the earth.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm writing a paper about this, but this
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: might be a good place to talk about it. So,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: you know, the handbag mystery is very fascinating. We have
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: them in Assyria. We have them in Mesopotamia. As far
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: as I know, I don't think one's been found in Egypt.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You can see them on the top of those T-pillars
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: in Gobekli Tepe. And there's one in the Olmec realm.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Are you familiar with this?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: No.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Monument 19, if we can look that up.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I think it's the coolest handbag. And when I saw
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: it in person, I, like, jumped. I had been waiting
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: years to see it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing?
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Olmec Monument 19. So this guy, he's wrapped in, he's
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: sitting in Quetzalcoatl. Could you do the one at the
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: top left where we get the full picture?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: So this stone is probably about this big. It's probably
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: about this big, and it sits on a table like this.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: So he's sitting inside the feathered serpent, Quetzalcoatl. And so
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: he's sitting inside the feathered serpent and he's holding this handbag.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: And I'm not sure. So he has this. And if
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: you can if you see, he has a feathered serpent
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: mask around his head as well. I'm not sure what
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: exactly is above him there. Well, they're actually two. It's
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: really hard to make it out. But what's above him,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: that little box looking thing is some kind of box
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that's being held up by two birds on each end.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: But the important thing here is the fact that this
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: is the first depiction of the feathered serpent in all
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of Mesoamerica that we know of. And it's, uh, it
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: might be the oldest handbag known as far as like
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: what we have official dates for. And so the idea
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: here is that he's some kind of sacred shaman, bringer
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of enlightenment, bringer of knowledge, something like that. And so
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I had been on the hunt for another handbag. Everywhere
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I go, I'm always looking for handbag. I was in
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Cambodia a couple of weeks ago. I'm going around the
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: temples of Angkor Wat and there's hieroglyphs and, and, uh,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And carvings all over the walls. I'm looking for a handbag.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I can't find one. But when I was in central Mexico,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I was at a site called Cacashla. And I found
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: another handbag person. I've never officially published it. It's on
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: my X if you'd want to look it up.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: What is the timeline for that one?
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: They don't really know. When you look at the monument,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: it says anywhere from 1400 B.C. to 400 B.C. That's
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: just what they think. I mean, the Olmec realm is
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: so uncertain. And we don't have hard dates for almost anything.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: They appear on this historical timeline as a fully-fledged civilization
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: capable of creating what you're seeing from the very beginning.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Just like so many civilizations, it's like as soon as
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: they arrive in the world, they're doing everything to the
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: fullest capacity. And we don't have any evidence in the
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Olmec realm of them working their way towards being able
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to do things like this. It's just from the very beginning,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: they're able to make monuments like this, move these 50
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: ton Olmec heads. Uh, the largest head is, uh, this,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: you'll find this interesting. Um, so there was a nautical
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: engineer that, uh, MEC, which is an organization I'm with.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: It's the Maya Exploration Center. It's, it's run by Dr.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Ed Barnhart. I'm a member of it. And, uh, And
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: one of the guys that worked with us traveled into
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: the Olmec realm. He's a nautical engineer. He's fascinated with
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: how were the Olmecs moving these huge heads up and
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: down these rivers. So they live in the rivers, swamps.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: They have to cross some mountain ranges. How are you
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: getting these heads 90 miles away from the Sierra de
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: la Tuxla volcanic belt? That's where they're pulling the basalt from.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Because we found unfinished heads at the base of these
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: big basalt quarries. And they're transporting them 90 kilometers away
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: through Like I was saying, rivers and valleys.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: 90 miles or kilometers?
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's kilometers. It's kilometers as the crow flies,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. And so much further when you're actually
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: dealing with the complications of the terrain. And so he
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: was fascinated, like, okay, how do they get them to
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the river? And then how do they get them on
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: the boat? And when it's on the boat, how exactly
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: does this work if they're transporting it by boat? And
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: kind of the same mystery in Egypt too, right? Like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: how do the nuances of these things work? So he
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: devised this algorithm or whatever where you could put in
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: the hypothetical size of your Olmec raft and put in
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: the hypothetical size of an Olmec head into this database
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: or whatever. And when you made a raft that was
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: too big to go down the narrow stretches of the
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Coetzcalcos River, which is like the Olmec's Nile River, When
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the raft was too big and too wide to actually
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: go down the river and you put a five-ton Olmec
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: head on it, it would sink that raft. But the
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: smallest Olmec head is six tons, and the largest one
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: is 52 tons. So how are they doing it? And
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: this is something that all archaeologists have quietly known, this
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: idea of they're just being transported on these simple balsa
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: rafts must be wrong. It's unexplained. How are these things
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: being done? And I just find this realm really fascinating.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Do they even know what language they spoke?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: No, we don't know what language they spoke. We don't
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: even know what they called themselves.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Do you have anything in this book about the Olmecs? No,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: not really.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I mentioned them briefly. I explored the Olmec mystery in
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: considerable depth.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Can you explain that to people that maybe haven't heard?
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: In Fingerprints of the Gods.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: So it's considered to be the earliest high culture of
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Central America. Everybody's heard about the Aztecs. Everybody's heard about
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: the Maya. But before the Aztecs and before the Maya,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: there were a culture who are referred to as the Olmecs. Again,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: we don't know what they called themselves. That's what the
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Aztecs called them. They called them the Olmecs, and it
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: means the rubber people because they're a rubber-producing area of Mexico.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: They worked in giant megalithic constructions. What they're most famous
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: for is these huge carved human heads which can be
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: on a scale of up to 20 to 25 tons
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: in weight and which have curious features which have been
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: interpreted variously as Polynesian, African, don't look like classic Native
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: American features. But one of the things I've realized is
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: that there is no classic Native American feature, that Native
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Americans are very have a very complex genetic story with
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: very many different elements brought into it and we shouldn't
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: be necessarily surprised by the supposedly non Native American look.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: What do we think those helmets were that they were wearing?
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows because no physical example of such a helmet
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: has ever been found just like no physical example of
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: an Egyptian Pharaoh's helm a crown has it has ever
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: been found all we see is the stone and the
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: stone reproductions of them.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Do they universally wear these helmets in these stone reproductions?
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: They pretty much all wear these helmets in the Olmec stonework.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: There's another fascinating figure from La Venta, one of the
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Olmec sites, which is the earliest ever image of a
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: plumed or feathered serpent. The feathered serpent is a famous
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: icon in Central America.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Quetzalcoatl.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Quetzalcoatl, who's the god of peace, the bringer of civilization.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: who is associated, for example, with the famous pyramid of Kukulkan,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: which is just another name for Quetzalcoatl, Chichen Itza, where
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: on the spring equinox, a shadow effect creates the image
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: of a serpent coiling down the stairway and joining with
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: the carved head of the serpent. There's the image from
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: La Venta. That's the earliest image of a plumed serpent.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: In the Americas. And sitting in the middle of it,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: and I made a big deal out of this because
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: I think it is a big deal in Magicians of
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: the Gods. Sitting in the middle of it is this
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: human figure who's holding this strange bag in his hand.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: And it's just a fact that those identical bags are
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: found in ancient Sumer in the hands of individuals who
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: were considered to be civilization bringers. And they also show
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: up on Pillar 43 at Gobekli Tepe. I call them
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: man bags. And in that case at Gobekli Tepe, we
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: know they're at least 11,600 years old. So I wonder
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: if we're looking at a sort of badge of office
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: of a group of civilizers who traveled around the world
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: trying to bring back to life.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: When I interrupted you to talk about Quetzalcoatl, what were
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you about to say? I can't remember.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I'm in California.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I've been smoking lots of dope, you know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: We were talking about different things in the Amazon. Should
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: we rewind and figure out what we said? Yeah, the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: serpent god you were talking about. Before Quetzalcoatl, before that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I have another question. The Olmecs, you were talking about
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the genetics of these people that live in Native Americans.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: They vary widely. But the Olmecs seem to have very
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: similar features. The thick lips, the wide noses. Why do
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: we think that is?
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: Well, this is part of a.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: A curious mystery that is not unconnected to the genetic mystery.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: It's been known by archaeologists for quite a long time
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: that there are anomalous skulls in parts of Brazil, which
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: appear to show very strongly Polynesian or African features, very
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: much like the features that we see on the Olmec heads.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And a number of archaeologists who got into trouble with
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: their colleagues for this have used that to argue many
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: years ago, 30, 40 years ago, that the settlement story
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: of the Americas is much more complicated than we've realized.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: And what the DNA is doing is it's telling us
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: that there was something really weird happened with settlement. You see,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: what happened with those African or Polynesian looking skulls was
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: that they were tested for DNA when DNA technology was
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: not as advanced as it is today. And what that
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: DNA showed was that they were more closely related to
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: modern Native Americans than they are to any other people
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: in the world. So the notion that there was some
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: connection with Polynesia or Africa was dismissed. But now that
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: we have very firm evidence of an Australasian genetic signal,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Australian Aborigines, Papua New Guinea, Melanesians, with those kind of features.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Now that we have the genetic evidence that that is
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: found in the Amazon, we have to go back to
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: that old evidence and reconsider it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I would love to find out what that is.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: They've always fascinated me. The Olmecs, it's always been such
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a strange image, the large heads with the helmets on them.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Do they universally look like that?
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: All of the features are very similar.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And always with the helmets.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: And almost always, I won't claim that every single Olmec
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: head has a helmet of it, because I think I've
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: seen one that didn't. It's quite a while ago since
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I explored the Olmec area. But what's fascinating about them
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: is they are supposedly the first high civilization of Central America,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: that they create structures on a massive scale, that you
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: can see connections between them and the later Maya. That
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: whole mystery of the Mayan calendar was clearly inherited from
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: the Olmecs. It wasn't something the Maya made up. The
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Olmecs used that same symbolism. So The Mayan calendar is
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: actually an Olmec calendar. And if we then consider the
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: possibility that the Olmecs may just be the latest, the
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: earliest surviving manifestation of that calendar, it could go back
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: much further than that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: Have you ever been to Teotihuacan?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: No, I've never been there. I heard it's amazing, though.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: Something really interesting happened to me there. Now, when I.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: Not only is this square that we went to and
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: stand on this earth mound and this guy whose nickname
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: was Gorilla giving us this wonderful tour, just a spot,
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: the most romantic tour ever of this place for such
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: a rough place. And he goes, wait right here. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: we're in this giant square. And he runs down this
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: dirt mound about, I don't know, say 150 feet away,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: 200 feet away. And he goes, can you hear me?
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: And it was like, oh my God, I could hear him.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: He goes, This square was built with these mounds here
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: to be able to speak at this voice to 250,000 people.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: And I was like, what? And then we walk. Is
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: that right there?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Is that it up there?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Well, it's okay. It's that way and then go left.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: You could look this way so you don't have to
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: look backwards.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So if we were to see that square, if
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: we were to go straight around that pyramid and make
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: a left, that's where those mounds are. And, and the
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: other thing is, and these, that's the same shot from
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: a different angle. That's near where these high, these shaman lived.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: This shaman had quarters, like an area of this place.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: And there was this, there's these, um, sort of things.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: And I said, what are these? And they said, they're
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: reflection ponds. I said, oh, like for like reflecting. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: he goes, no, no.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: For reflecting.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: And I'd never considered that you don't look at the
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: stars by going, but that really you look down. And
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: you mark. So in seven years, when it comes around again,
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: you're like, oh, pattern. Because I'm always like, how do
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: you look up and learn a pattern of that?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: But by looking down.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. So they had ponds just to look at
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the reflection of the stars and map them out.
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the shaman did. That was like in their neighborhood.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: And the way we were shamans, if you had a
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: birthmark on your head when you were born, they immediately
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: were like, Two boards, rope, and just put two boards
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: and rope to, and began a lifetime of like, so
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: you're a shaman. Which if you had a lifetime of that,
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: you'd be like, hi, shaman. Hey, shaman. So it's like.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Being born a royal.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Squeeze the shaman. Don't squeeze the shaman.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Even more weird, right? Because you don't have a history
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: or a bloodline of it. It's just a finding.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: It's the study of what we are and that that
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: is significant. Because it felt to me immediately like, well,
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: everyone can't do that. We need to. You don't have
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: a thing on your cell.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have the birthmark.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's a really good entry.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: At the gate.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: When you went to the Aztec temple, as a musician,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: when you're sitting there, did it make sense, like the acoustics,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: like the way it's set up, the way the sound works,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: does it make sense to you, like how they constructed it?
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: It left a very lasting feeling of.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: Were supposed to be here and that, you know, it just,
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: it really restored a lot of faith in humanity. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: didn't focus on the ritualistic murder that was going on there.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: It was just, that's the one set of people. The
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: other set of people built this and they knew, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: they knew. And, you know, much like the great pyramids
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: that are really, you know, in the shape of a
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: belt exactly that same concept of like what's going on
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: here matters and if that is your focus think of
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: how wonderful it can be you know like how did
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: those people know how to make that with no without
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: the you know they say without the wheel that would
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: be like Really hard.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: That seems insane. Yeah. The Aztecs didn't have the wheel, right?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Allegedly.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: How the fuck did they do all that? Well, at
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: least the way they did it physically, you can kind
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: of like, we know that they murdered 80,000 slaves in
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: a period of just a few days after the construction
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: of that temple.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: So that was like, don't tell me, actually, don't worry
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: about it. I'll take care of it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I think they knew that they were going to be slaughtered.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I think it was kind of like part of the gig.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I might be wrong about that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Well, it doesn't, with that many people, it wouldn't sound
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: surprising that you'd have some cooperation. I mean, it's hard
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: to imagine 80,000 people at once going, sorry, what? And
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: not be like, well, fuck this, man. That sounds like
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: a cooperative event to me somehow.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Unless they were somehow or another locked up and they
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: brought them out one by one.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: That's an awfully big cage you've got there.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't. Yeah, 80,000. That's quite an arena.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Like you'd have to build an extra one of those
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: just to hold them.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a giant football arena filled with people.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: It's that big.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: It's that big. And what struck me as just because
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: I play music as I thought, okay, that means these
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: acoustics are so perfect. Like how do you discover that?
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Are you in a canyon?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: And you're like, wow, this sounds beautiful. Can you hear
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: me over there? And then you sort of triangulate and
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: start doing the geometry for how that works. And like, quick,
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: someone invent geometry first, though, because I don't know. I mean,
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: how does that manifest itself, that understanding?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how many thousands of years did it take before
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: they figured out how to construct something?
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, where someone on their deathbed is like, wait, one
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: last thing about acoustics.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Sound kind of bounces off shit.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: But it's got to be shaped like this. But the
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: Pythagorean theorem, you know.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I've never been to any of the Aztec temples, but
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I went to Chichen Itza and saw some of the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Mayan temples. And it just, whenever you're at a place
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: like that, that's just magical. That's so fucking old and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: so amazingly constructed. You just think, what the fuck was
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: it like to live back then? Do we have a
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: terrible idea of what they were like? Of course. Yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: we don't know.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Well, but it sort of dawned on me at some
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: point that it was like, oh, you mean the people
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: that wrote our history was Wrote it as from the
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: perspective of, by the way, we're way better, way better.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: But okay, here's the story of these other people.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Like by some kind of
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: dickhead winner.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. A dickhead winner with guns. Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Like before we get started, I'm better than the person
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you about. Yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: But we can't, even though we can't do what they did.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: Because what is the emotion when you're in that space?
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of the right word to describe
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: how I felt there.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: And I guess.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: It's awe, right?
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is. It is awe. But also there's almost, yeah, reverence.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: And there's almost like some strange gratitude.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: Like where you're like, thank you for, I'm so thankful
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: to be part of this, even just by living in
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: a time to appreciate this. Yeah, yeah. It feels like
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: knowledge expanding that I don't have. So I just feel like, oh,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: if I could have a piece of that, if I
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: could understand a piece of that. But just standing there
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: is sort of understanding it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: We have such an egotistical perspective when it comes to
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: our personal civilization that like this with the internet and
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: with cars and with planes and all that, this is
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the best way to be.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: There's a word for it. I can't– can you try
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: to find such a thing?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Please. What is the word?
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: There's a word for– the word definition is to believe
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: that the era you're in is the finest of them all.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Up to this point.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that word. I know what you're saying.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: That is a.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: It's some kind of dickhead syndrome.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: It certainly was created by a man. Some guy was like, dude,
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: this fucking shit.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was a girl. If it was,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: she was like one of them alt-right female chicks.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: But don't you wish that there was like a supportive
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: mother who was like, yeah, sure, honey, you're the best.
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: This is the best.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You're number one. Don't worry about the payments.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, don't worry about him, guys.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: He's fine. You're the best. Yeah, it's like the same
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: thing with the Native Americans and the settlers, that the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: settlers were imposing their lifestyle, but the people that experienced
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the Native American lifestyle, they wanted to stay living like that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: For sure. Well, I think because it omitted so many
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: of the things that the European culture was bringing.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: And it seems like a distinct possibility that the European perspective,
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: like when Pizarro and all that, you know... was it
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: 12 of them conquistadors killed like a thousand natives in
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: a matter of hours. When, you know, when they land,
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: they're looking for gold everywhere. And at first they have this,
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: this belief that something big will come across the water
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: and be their God. And here comes a ship with
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: a bunch of dirty assholes that literally factually dirty assholes
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: have ridden across the boat. And, and, you know, I
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: think about that perspective where they obviously were like, These
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: people are nice, but I've had enough of this. They
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: should have invented ships. We're better, so let's kill everyone here.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Well, Cortez and Montezuma, right?
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: That's what I mean. Cortez.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Cortez. That's who it is.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: They didn't know what was going on because I don't
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: think that previous to that time they'd ever seen anyone
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: on a horse before.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: No.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: And you imagine a big boat and then a few
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: horses where they're like, what the fuck is.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Gary, come over and look at this.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: It's impossible to fathom.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: A man riding a beast. They're probably like, what in
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the fuck?
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: With like rusty armor from being on a fucking boat
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: for months.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: Like looking like shit, being desperately like, like I imagine
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: their relief when they come off on these horses with
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: this armor and all this stuff. And they're like, they're cool.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: This is going to be easy.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, at first they, they must have thought maybe
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: we could do this with some goodwill. But quickly it's like,
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: you guys are too primitive. We're just going to take
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: over here.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I doubt they even thought they were going to do
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: it with goodwill. I don't think there was any goodwill
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: back then. I think people were just murdering people.
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: You think that there's perhaps that more people took more
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: lives in a way? Like per capita or something?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I think that it was a more brutal way of
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: taking lives. I'm sure people take more lives today in war.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: But I think back then it was just, it was
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: hands on.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: Right, but it seems like more percentage of the people
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: that are alive had an opportunity or the possibility to
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: kill someone today.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: So it's like if you are with 150 people, all
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: of which have killed at least three people.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: That's an interesting group.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: And then you land on a boat.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: You've been there for months and you're like– Maybe you
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: are like, we got to kill somebody and rape something
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: and take something as quick as possible.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: And you have no idea what the fuck they're saying
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: because you can't speak their language.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: So it's easy to just.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: And they're being nice. So you're like, they're going to
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: fuck these people up in five.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Four, three.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Like that silent count off. It's bizarre.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the history of mankind is men showing up
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: in boats and killing everybody that they met.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: And then kind of doing their own version of a
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: selfie on the dead body.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Right. Getting paintings. From this side.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Draw me.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Imagine what it would be like if you could be
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: a fly on the wall when Montezuma met Cortez. Just
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: to be there and see what that was like when
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: these people who had never encountered Spaniards before. And these
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: guys show up in these boats.
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: With two absolutely different beliefs.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: And perspectives of what's about to go down.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: What's crazy is that is why Mexico speaks Spanish.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, people don't get that in their head. Like, oh,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Mexicans speak Spanish.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: It's why all of South America, except for Brazil, Brazil
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: is Portuguese.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, we don't get that in our head. Like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Mexico speaks Spanish.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: And has horses.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Spain's way the fuck over there. How is what?
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: Well, they speak Spanish.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Like, it makes no fucking sense. But then you realize, like, oh,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: my God, they were conquered by the Spaniards.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and a long, long time ago.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Long fucking time ago. Long fucking time ago.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: Because of having my music teacher as a young boy
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: drill the song. In 1492 from Spain through wind and
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: storm and gale.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: The neen of the pint.
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: Of the cent.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: 1492.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: 1492, which by my watch is a long time ago.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: It is, but it's not. I had a joke in
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: my act about the United States being founded in 1776.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: People live to be 100. That's three people ago. That's real, though.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I know it sounds fucked up when you hear it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: Man, you're funny.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: When you hear it, it sounds like, is he right?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: That's not right.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Well, what's funny is that's totally true.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's... We just got here.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: The thing is, anything that happens before you were born
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: seems like a million years ago.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: Of course. But also, 1776 seems like yesterday to me.
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: I wasn't alive, and I'm ready to admit that, but I...
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: that seems like, oh, that is just very close. Fucking
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: super recent. Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: This is a good way to segue into like what
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you do. Because these subjects, so many of these subjects,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: so many people have like an instantaneous reaction.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: That instantaneous reaction is, oh, hogwash. If this was true,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I would already know about it. It would be taught
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: in universities. It would all be. But then you find out, like,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: no one is really just kind of trying to piece
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: stuff together, specifically talking about these ancient tablets, which are,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to me, some of the most interesting things about ancient history,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: particularly what came out of ancient Sumerian.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Ancient Sumer, when you look at their tablets and like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: what are they saying? And why would they dedicate so
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: much time to talking about this stuff?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Why do they have pictures of giant look, enormous people
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: looking things with like a humanoid with a tail sitting
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: on their lap? Like, what is this just fiction? Like,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: why would they detail this? And how do they have
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: a representation of the solar system with the correct amount
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: of planets and relatively the correct order in size. You know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it's not exact, but it's an artistic version of the
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: real thing. And how the hell, how the hell, how
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the hell 6,000, 5,000 years ago do they know that?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: And what explanations do we have? Like what's the conventional
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: explanations when people tried to dismiss what they knew in
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: ancient Sumer?
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the conventional explanation is always going to the term mythology.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: They throw mythology around, you know, left and right to
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: cover up the fact that they have no clue or idea.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: So they turn it into mythology so they can kind
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: of say it's all fantasy and fairy tales. And this
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: is how they express themselves or how they understood the universe.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: It's all mythology. It's all fake. But in reality, it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: not all fake. These people left behind such detailed records
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: and information. It's a time capsule of information on stone
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: tablets for us today to be able to decipher, break
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: down and understand. And that's what we're here to do now.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: When you look at these ancient languages like cuneiform, can
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you read that? Do you know how to read it?
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a small amount of it, yeah. Studying it from
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: books that I had bought right off of Amazon.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically you take a stick. It looks like
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: a stick with kind of a curved end, right, almost sharpened.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: It's called a stylus.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, just like a stylus for an iPad.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly, very similar, right? And then you take a piece
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: of wet clay. And right before it's too wet or
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: too dry, right in the middle stage, you then start wedging,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: making these incredible lines into the clay. And then from that,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: you get this cuneiform text. So this text literally, you know,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: some of the letters actually relate to complete ideas. But
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: it's incredible work, and it takes a long time to do.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And then you have to let this thing dry, and
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: then it becomes stone. So, you know, if people were
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: supposed to be trying to worry about how they're going
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: to get their next meal, shelter for the night and
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: all these kind of things. Who has time to sit
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: down and write these incredible works of art like the
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Epic of Gilgamesh, for example?
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I think they really were writing down and also they
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: were transcribing information that was given to them by these
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: quote unquote gods with a lowercase g.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: So when you're reading things like the Epic of Gilgamesh,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the Epic of Gilgamesh, for people who don't know, is
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: one of the oldest versions of a lot of the
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: stories that you hear in the Bible. Very similar to them.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: There always seems to be a great flood. There's a
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: few heroes. There's angry gods. There's a bunch of stuff
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: going on. And Zechariah Sitchin's work was like the most
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: controversial on the Sumerian text, right?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: There's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com. People go crazy about him.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: But when he starts talking about it, when you read
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: some of the things that they wrote and when you
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: see some of the images that they created, the images
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: that look like the double helix of DNA and– There's
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: a bunch of the, like, that now we represent, the caduceus,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: which represents pharmacies and drugs. Like, that's the old version
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: of an image of the double helix of DNA, or
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: at least it looks super similar to that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely is, because it's referenced even in the
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Egyptian Book of the Dead and other ancient texts. So
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: there's no coincidences here. Now, Zechariah Sitchin, you know, I
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: don't particularly go by his work. Not because it's controversial.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I believe he was one of the greatest researchers of
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: all time. And the reason why is because he laid
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: out so much information for us to begin to scratch
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: our head and ask questions. But what I figured out
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: was that by going through the UCLA CDLI online cuneiform
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: digital library, say that fast 10 times, I was able
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: to take stone tablets and decipher them myself. So anyone
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: can go online to the UCLA CDLI online. online cuneiform
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: digital library and read these stone tablets for themselves. You
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: don't need Zacharias Hitchin. You don't need anyone else. And
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: as I began to break these tablets down.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Do they have them transcribed or are you reading the
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: actual tablet?
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: They transcribe them. They actually transcribe them into English for you.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Is there controversy as far as like are there different
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: versions of the transcription? Like do some people think it's
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: interpreted differently? Is like some debate about that?
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Only where it comes to where some of the text
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: is missing. There could be pieces chipped off of tablets.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: You see that corner missing from that tablet right there
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: in the.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Epic of Gilgamesh. Just look how wild is that. Just
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: how wild is that that that exists and that this
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: was– it's so hard for people to put in their
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: brain 5,000 years of time and that there's these people
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that have this very bizarre language. Like when you look
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: at that– we don't even know what it sounds like, right?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: And the language popped up out of nowhere.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: You're talking about a civilization that appeared out of nothing.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: It looks like computer code.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Doesn't it?
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, it does.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Just imagine a human being deciding that they were going
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: to write down in these very bizarre... And they all
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: agreed that all these things mean a certain thing. So
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: they had to somehow or another have a Rosetta Stone
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: or something where they're documenting it so that people can
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: learn it and teach it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: We're looking at it 5,000 years later. It's so amazing.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: And what's incredible is this text was translated in the 1800s,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: long before Zechariah Sitchin was born. So there are some
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: rumors that, oh, he was the only one that could
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: decipher these tablets. Well, no. George Smith, who worked as
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: an Assyriologist and wrote many books and deciphered these Sumerian
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: tablets in the 1800s. So we're talking about texts that
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: have been deciphered for a few hundred years, nothing that
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: was just deciphered recently.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: So what are the first decipherings? What year was the
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: first deciphering?
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: It was in 1800. I think around 1850, George Smith.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: He actually worked at the, I believe it was Cambridge.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: What was his take? When he's reading all these wacky
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: stories and all the Anunnaki stuff, what's his take on it?
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: He is literally subscribing to this information the way almost
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: that you and I see it today. These people saw something,
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: experienced something, interacted with something And he cataloged it and
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: it inspired him to write a complete translation of the
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Enuma Elish and the seven tablets of creation. And he
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: talks about the fact that that information was copied right
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: from those tablets and put into the Old Testament of
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the Bible. And so, you know, not exactly like it's
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: going to go from here to the Bible, but it
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: went to other ancient papyruses and scriptures and and so forth,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: and then later on when it was discovered in caves,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: people took those and then said, okay, we've got to
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: put this into a book, and then it became the
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Bible much later, around 100 A.D. But he subscribed to
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: the theory that these people interacted with beings in some way, shape,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: or form, and that also this information is so incredible
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: that it became part of the biblical text.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Did you ever read the Dead Sea Scrolls?
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: So the Dead Sea Scrolls, what was it, found in.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: What year was that? It was in Qumran, right?
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: It was Qumran, but I think, again, this was also,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I believe, in the late 1800s or early 1900s. This
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: is when they found him?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: So these things are written on animal skins, and this
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: is a very old version of those exact same stories,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: or some of similar stories. There's a lot of weirdness
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: in the Dead Sea Scrolls. I haven't read it, but
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: is there any references to... Anything that's similar, like Anunnaki-type characters,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: the Nephilim or anything like that in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: They show up everywhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: the Enuma Elish, in the Ebbagabatra Seas. Of course, even
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: in the Bible, they're known as the Anak, A-N-A-K. We
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: were grasshoppers in their eyesight, it says in the biblical text.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: So no matter where you go in any culture, you're
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: going to discover that these beings, in some way, shape,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: or form, engaged mankind, brought knowledge, teaching, building techniques together.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: And just so much more wisdom and information, esoteric wisdom, alchemy,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: all these things came from these people.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: So the craziest version of this story is that they
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: genetically engineered us out of lower primates and put us
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: here to mine gold.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: And then established different types of civilizations and taught us
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: how to build things, taught us all these different things.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: And enough time has passed that we've kind of forgot.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Enough time has passed. That's the wackiest version of it, right?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: That's the bare bones minimum.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: The wackiest version is they made us, which is we've
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: talked about this a couple of times, but how bizarre
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: it is that human beings have this incredible fascination for gold.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: We're fascinated with gold. This fascination with gold is really weird.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Like why back when it was basically useless? You couldn't
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: make a knife out of it. You couldn't, you know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: like it didn't make sense that this would be so
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: valuable just because it's rare. You're barely alive. You know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: we're going, you know, right. We're going back to full
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: on hunter and gather our ancestors with spears and stone chip.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: And then after that gold emerges and it stays, it
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: stays forever. Now, when you read Zechariah Sitchin's book, he
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: talks about this in the 1970s. His description of it
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: was that they needed to suspend gold particles in the
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: atmosphere because their atmosphere was being destroyed.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Then you move to like somewhere around the 2000s when
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: climate scientists start proposing this idea of suspending reflective particles
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: in the atmosphere.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: And then when you realize the unique properties of gold,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: how unusual it is in terms of like a building material,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: you can coat things. The reason why things are like
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: coated in gold, silver plate or gold plated rather, you
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: can take a tiny piece of gold and cover an
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: enormous area with it. It's a strange metal.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Like really weird. And what- You know, the supposed story
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: is it's very common on Earth, very rare on Nibiru.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the story. I started looking into this gold
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: thing myself, and here's what I came up with. So
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: when you start analyzing the text, you discover that there
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: was an encampment in a place called South Africa at
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Adam's Calendar. Now, at Adam's Calendar, there's actually the very
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: first gold mines discovered. They're dating them back to about 200,000
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: years ago. And that's incredible because there's a building there
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: that looks like a worn-down structure. Now, in the tablets,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: it talks about the fact that the Igigi, who were
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: the working-class Anunnaki beings who were cleaning out the Euphrates
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: and Tigris River so they can create irrigation and create
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: a bustling civilization. Also, they were doing the actual construction themselves.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: No people needed, just them working. They were like the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: construction workers. And Anu and Enkin and Lil, these leader gods,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: were like the foremen, the master architects and so forth,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: the boss. So these people were working, but they weren't
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: supposed to be enslaved. They were volunteers. They got tired
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: of doing the work, according to them, for about 250,000
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: years of labor on Earth and also, according to them,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: on Mars. This is in the text. They call it Lamu.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: And so they decided to go to war against Enki
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: and Lil and Anu because their demands had not been met.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: So they went to meet them in the epoch of Atrahasis.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: They go to Adam's calendar, they go to that same
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: structure that was discovered where that gold mine is located.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, holy crap, there is some link here
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: to gold. Specifically, exactly, I don't know, but I know
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: if you're an advanced civilization, you need gold. And the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: people that you have working it for you probably think,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: you know, it's to adorn or to adorn yourself or
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: in recognition of the gods, so they'll wear it and
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  Speaker 3: they'll utilize it, but not for technology. But what's crazy
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  Speaker 3: is they go to war, they get ready to go
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  Speaker 3: to battle, and then Enki says... I have an idea
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  Speaker 3: that will stop this war. There's an existing being on
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  Speaker 3: this planet, existing, not something that doesn't exist, existing. We
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  Speaker 3: can add our essence to it with a slain God.
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  Speaker 3: So they're talking about taking the DNA or genetics from
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  Speaker 3: one of themselves and mixing it with the DNA of
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  Speaker 3: the hominy that was here. It's not specified whether it was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, an ape man or anything, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: specify in the tablets, but to create a worker being.
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  Speaker 3: and they began to do this genetic modification, probably disconnecting
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  Speaker 3: some of our DNA, making genetic modifications to us to
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  Speaker 3: get us to take orders from them. They inserted something
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  Speaker 3: called a worship gene, which was just discovered recently, that
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  Speaker 3: human beings have a gene inside of them that can
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  Speaker 3: be turned on and turned off. It can be turned
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  Speaker 3: off in a laboratory setting. It can also be turned
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  Speaker 3: off with a magnetic field around your head. And when
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  Speaker 3: it's off, you don't want to worship anything outside of yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You look inside, and when it's on, you look to
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  Speaker 3: get something from the outside. So this is incredible. And
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  Speaker 3: so they made us worship people.
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  Speaker 2: So they engineered a gene inside of us to make
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  Speaker 2: us worship them. How genius.
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  Speaker 3: It's incredible because then you're not a slave anymore. You're
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  Speaker 3: doing this for the honor of the gods.
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  Speaker 2: And for people who think all this talk is really crazy,
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  Speaker 2: I want to put into perspective that we talked about
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  Speaker 2: this the other day, that during the, was it, which
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  Speaker 2: war was it where the Soviet Union was experimenting with
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  Speaker 2: It was scientists in the Soviet Union, correct? They're experimenting
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  Speaker 2: with creating a chimpanzee-human-being hybrid that they would probably send
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  Speaker 2: to war. So instead of having regular people, we would
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  Speaker 2: make this monster, this freak. ape man and send him
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  Speaker 2: to war and have him crush the enemies. It's just
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  Speaker 2: how crazy is that? They knew how strong chips are.
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  Speaker 2: I got an idea. Let's turn a chip human and
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  Speaker 2: that way if he dies, who gives a fuck? We
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  Speaker 2: made him. Get him to go to work for us.
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  Speaker 2: And now if you're a supremely enlightened being, wouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: think of human beings with all of our folly and
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  Speaker 2: all of our chaos and all of our war and
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  Speaker 2: bullshit and the internet and disinformation and misinformation and wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: you think of us kind of the same way we
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  Speaker 2: would think about that chimp hybrid thing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.