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9-02-26 Hour 2: Cheating or Gamesmanship?/"Rock Paper Tickets" Champ Jake Stops By/Oh By The Way · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: All right, one quick text here. It actually says that
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  Speaker 3: kid probably throws 70 to 71 miles an hour because
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  Speaker 3: a 12-year-old pitches from 43 feet and that equates to
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  Speaker 3: about 91 to 93. Let me tell you something, sir.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Detroit Tigers, before handing out $ 4 million,
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  Speaker 3: are going to know how far back the mound is.
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  Speaker 3: Go outside, nerd. I think they're going to do the
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  Speaker 3: minimal amount of research of, oh, did I get duped
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  Speaker 3: by the 43 feet instead of the 60? Oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: got to take back the $ 4 million. I think they know.
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  Speaker 3: Mosher just sent something, and I saw this yesterday. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't really understand it, and now I get it. The
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  Speaker 3: Patriots have a little.
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  Speaker 3: Quirk of gamesmanship that they have been implementing on their
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  Speaker 3: game days, which is when a kicker lines up, and Nellie,
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  Speaker 3: if you could pull up these photos and just throw
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  Speaker 3: them behind us. When a kicker lines up, the opposing
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  Speaker 3: kicker lines up to try and make whatever, 40-yarder, whatever
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  Speaker 3: field goal we're talking about. On the big board behind
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  Speaker 3: the end zone, they do a camera view that also
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  Speaker 3: shows the uprights, but they put it Basically, with one
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  Speaker 3: upright in the middle of the actual upright.
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  Speaker 5: So that makes sense. So it's the reverse angle of
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  Speaker 5: what the kicker's looking at. So you can see the
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  Speaker 5: kicker's kicking away from this camera, right? But on the
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  Speaker 5: video screen, the camera is facing toward the kicker, and
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  Speaker 5: they put that projection up on the video board.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys a question?
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: If your kicker is stupid enough to get fooled by
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  Speaker 3: video board uprights, do you cut him?
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  Speaker 4: See, this is another example of you not understanding how
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  Speaker 4: it works. Nobody's fooled by it. But a kicker glances
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  Speaker 4: up and down, up and down, sets his spot. You
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  Speaker 4: go through your kicking motion. Any little thing that would
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  Speaker 4: mess with his process is a problem. And that messes,
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe the NFL, first of all, allowed that.
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe the NFL allowed that for all those
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  Speaker 4: years until somebody actually did the investigation. Because if so,
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  Speaker 4: why didn't every team do exactly that? To throw kickers
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  Speaker 4: or kick? It's a process thing. If you're getting ready
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  Speaker 4: to hit a golf ball and somebody throws a video
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  Speaker 4: up and the pin is changed, all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: the pin is to the left and not to the right,
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  Speaker 4: maybe mid-motion you know, okay, the pin's not there. But
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  Speaker 4: it messes with you. It messes with your process. 100%.
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  Speaker 5: This came from Ryan Paginetti. Who has been an analyst
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  Speaker 5: guy in the NFL for quite some time.
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  Speaker 3: Were these last year? Were these the Belichick years?
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  Speaker 2: Get this.
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  Speaker 5: He said he went through more than a decade of
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  Speaker 5: TV broadcasts and uncovered a diabolically clever piece of Patriots gamesmanship.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, it's not gamesmanship. It's cheating. Okay. Let's
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  Speaker 4: change that word. So let me explain.
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  Speaker 5: In windy conditions... Even the orange streamers on the video
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  Speaker 5: board appeared to point in the opposite direction from those
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  Speaker 5: atop the physical uprights, making the illusion even more disorienting.
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  Speaker 2: He said, I found dozens of examples.
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  Speaker 5: In the same games, I reviewed 52 Patriots field goal attempts.
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  Speaker 5: The illusion appeared on Patriots kicks exactly zero times. So
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  Speaker 5: what he's saying is that when their guy is kicking,
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots guy is That's not there. But when the
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  Speaker 5: opposing teams kick, they always put the reverse video up
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  Speaker 5: on the jumbotron.
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  Speaker 4: It's just another example. That the kicker can see right
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  Speaker 4: in his face. Look at all the evidence we have now.
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  Speaker 4: That two-decade run for the Patriots. Decade plus, whatever. The
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  Speaker 4: biggest group of cheaters we have ever seen, perhaps in
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  Speaker 4: sports history. Their quarterback cheated. We know this for a fact.
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  Speaker 4: He cheated. He still cheats to this day in other ways.
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  Speaker 4: Their owner cheated. We know this. Their coach, two of
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  Speaker 4: the last three coaches they have cheated blatantly on and
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  Speaker 4: off the field. Their GM cheats. Their stadium people, they
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  Speaker 4: clearly cheat. Is there any sign of fair play out
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  Speaker 4: of New England? The biggest cheaters I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he said, quote, we actually tried copying the idea
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  Speaker 5: when I was in Philadelphia, but the location of the
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  Speaker 5: video board's at Lincoln Financial Field made it nearly useless.
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  Speaker 5: So the way their stadium is designed and the way
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  Speaker 5: that that jumbotron at the end zone is so low,
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  Speaker 5: it's right in the field of view of the kickers,
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  Speaker 5: and they put up the reverse picture.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, live, but it's live.
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  Speaker 5: So the orange streamers on top of the goalposts are
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  Speaker 5: streaming in the opposite direction.
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  Speaker 3: Am I allowed to take PVC pipe, paint it yellow,
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  Speaker 3: and just throw it right in the middle of the uprights?
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  Speaker 3: Is that fair as a fan? As a fan, can
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  Speaker 3: I do that?
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  Speaker 5: What he alluded to is that it's the perfect, he says,
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  Speaker 5: it's the perfect encapsulation of the Patriots dynasty. No detail
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  Speaker 5: was too small and no possible edge was left unexplored.
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  Speaker 4: You mean, it's cheating.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Moj, Moj, I don't understand how many different ways you
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  Speaker 4: have to have your character revealed. If every active member
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  Speaker 4: of the organization is a known cheater, what do you
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  Speaker 4: think is going to happen? What do you think is
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  Speaker 4: going to happen all the way down to these details?
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  Speaker 4: If people look the other way at the head coach,
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  Speaker 4: at the quarterback, at the GM, at the owner, if
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  Speaker 4: people look the other way all the time, what do
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  Speaker 4: you think is going to happen? Cheating becomes part of
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  Speaker 4: the process. They're cheaters.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you draw the line between cheating and gamesmanship?
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  Speaker 4: If the NFL allowed this to happen throughout the entire league,
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  Speaker 4: is that gamesmanship or cheating? Do you think the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: if I went to the NFL and said, all right,
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  Speaker 4: all these stadiums are going to build scoreboards at eye
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  Speaker 4: level and do this, how do you think they'd react?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they probably would ban it, but this is what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying. Gamesmanship, well, let me explain.
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  Speaker 5: Gamesmanship is painting the opposing team's locker room the day
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  Speaker 5: before they arrive to play you.
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  Speaker 2: So it smells like paint in there. Cheating is.
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  Speaker 5: Deflating balls and videoing teams practices and putting opposite things
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  Speaker 5: on the scoreboard.
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  Speaker 2: And that's cheating. Banging a trash can.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying is this.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If there's not a specific rule that says you can't
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  Speaker 3: do this, is that cheating or is that gamesmanship? If
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  Speaker 3: there is a rule that says you can't do it,
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  Speaker 3: then that's cheating.
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. The cheating is infectious. It's contagious.
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  Speaker 4: It's spread all the way to Denver. when a member
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  Speaker 4: of that organization came to Denver and Denver got hit
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  Speaker 4: with cheating.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but that was clearly against the rules, though, is
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but where do you draw the line about, okay,
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  Speaker 4: in London, the Broncos camera people were shooting video of
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  Speaker 4: the 49ers. Oh, it's just gamesmanship. It's not– it was
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  Speaker 4: just gamesmanship. How many times are you allowed to say
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  Speaker 4: it's just gamesmanship? Oh, yeah, the balls were just underinflated.
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  Speaker 4: It's just– Brent, you're overlooking.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm just asking the question. Again, okay, what would
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  Speaker 3: you consider gamesmanship? Gamesmanship is something that's like you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to mess with the other team. You're clearly trying to
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  Speaker 3: do it. It's not against the rules. Right? I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to think of a perfect example of what gamesmanship would be.
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  Speaker 4: They're the biggest cheaters. I would call the New England
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  Speaker 4: Patriots among the biggest cheaters in sports history.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's true. There's plenty of examples of that.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: How about this, Vic? If back in the day where
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  Speaker 3: you actually had to put down signs as a catcher
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  Speaker 3: in baseball, if somebody's on second base and can see that,
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  Speaker 3: is that gamesmanship or cheating?
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  Speaker 4: Baseball, everybody has a fair shot at doing that. This
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  Speaker 4: is different. Their scoreboard is in a particular spot that
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  Speaker 4: allows them to do it. Somebody brought up this example
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  Speaker 4: on the text line. So when someone is shooting a
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  Speaker 4: free throw and the crowd is waving their hands and
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  Speaker 4: banging their thunder sticks, is that cheating? Does every crowd
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  Speaker 4: do that? Does every crowd do that? Yes or no?
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  Speaker 4: Does every crowd do that?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Does any crowd have a distinct advantage of doing that?
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  Speaker 4: It's the same thing. There's a distinct advantage and a
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  Speaker 4: scoreboard behind the goalposts here That gives them a different look.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you from a kicker's perspective, you guys
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  Speaker 4: may think it's no big deal.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge deal.
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  Speaker 4: It messes with the process. It's a huge deal.
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  Speaker 3: Here's one. This one was way back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: You guys remember, what was the finals with the, was
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  Speaker 3: it Heat Spurs? I think it was Heat. Heat somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Where they cranked, they said they intentionally turned the AC off.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that was, that was go back. You go back
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  Speaker 4: all the way to the Boston Lakers series of the
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  Speaker 4: early 80s where in Boston Garden, There was no AC.
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  Speaker 4: It was hot as hell.
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  Speaker 3: No, but in this case, they had AC. They intentionally
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  Speaker 3: turned it off, and LeBron started cramping during the game,
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  Speaker 3: all that different stuff. Is that gamesmanship or is that cheating?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if it affects both teams the same way, then
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  Speaker 2: it's not cheating.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: The Patriots only do this for the opposing kicker, right? Correct.
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  Speaker 4: That's cheating.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair.
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  Speaker 4: So you've heard this one before, too. When a coordinator
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  Speaker 4: is wearing the headphones and all of a sudden the
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  Speaker 4: headphones aren't working and they cannot relay the play. And
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  Speaker 4: it happens a lot in a play.
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  Speaker 7: Stadiums.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, but it's not happening for the home team. Only
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  Speaker 4: the visiting team.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, that's cheating.
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  Speaker 5: But then the home team has to have theirs turned.
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  Speaker 4: Off, if that's the case.
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  Speaker 3: People are asking, Vic, what about the new Clippers fan wall,
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  Speaker 3: the wall?
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  Speaker 4: What about it?
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  Speaker 3: Other places don't have it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but there's fans behind the stands. Big deal. You
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  Speaker 4: can build one. That's not cheap. What example are we
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  Speaker 4: trying to... Is that a gotcha? What is that supposed
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  Speaker 4: to mean?
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  Speaker 3: So what? How about the architecture of the Seahawks stadium
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  Speaker 3: that it's built to be louder than other stadiums?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm still struggling to understand how that...
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  Speaker 4: These guys do something to the opposing team that they
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  Speaker 4: don't do to their own team to screw with the kicker.
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  Speaker 4: That's cheating.
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  Speaker 5: You're a cheater. I'm surprised that this guy, I guess
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  Speaker 5: I'm surprised that other teams haven't brought it up to
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  Speaker 5: the league, or maybe they have, but Paginetti didn't indicate
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  Speaker 5: that in his tweet there.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Brett, but hear me out.
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  Speaker 4: This texture. Vic seems to be incapable of actually having
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  Speaker 4: a conversation instead of just preaching from his soapbox. I agree.
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  Speaker 4: What exactly do you think my job is? What is
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  Speaker 4: the difference when I'm giving you an opinion of what's
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  Speaker 4: happening here? What would you rather I do? Do you
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  Speaker 4: understand how this works? Who is this texter? 2563. Do
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  Speaker 4: you have opinions? And when you have one, how do
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  Speaker 4: you apply your opinion exactly? Is it conversational? Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like that laugh.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of a weird laugh.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like that at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. Hey, hear me out.
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  Speaker 5: You're an owner, and you really want this player. So
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  Speaker 5: you call your buddy who owns a tree farm, and
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  Speaker 5: you go, hey, listen.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to get this guy in here. If I
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  Speaker 2: give you some bread.
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  Speaker 3: It's gamesmanship.
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  Speaker 5: If I give you some bread, can you send it
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  Speaker 5: through your trees and give it to my guy?
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  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Cheating.
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  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 3: Did you guys hear the audio, by the way, of
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  Speaker 3: Chris Ballard yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: That was funny.
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  Speaker 3: So him, I saw Davos Swinney called it ridiculous about
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  Speaker 3: these guys who are going back to college after entering
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  Speaker 3: the pros. Here's what Ballard said.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 3: Your entire life, I know I'll catch crap for this,
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  Speaker 3: but your entire life you fight to get up to
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  Speaker 3: the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but now we're going to go back.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes a lot of freaking sense.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair, yeah, it does make a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 4: It does.
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  Speaker 3: You can make millions of dollars going back to college. Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not that hard to understand, right?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know.
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  Speaker 3: Just answer this for me. If eligibility still applied 10
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  Speaker 3: years ago, but NIL did not, you could go to
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  Speaker 3: the pros, but you could go back to college if
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  Speaker 3: you got cut from a training camp. But there's no
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  Speaker 3: NIL money. Would any of these guys go back?
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  Speaker 6: It's just no.
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  Speaker 3: To go back to school and not make cash? It
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  Speaker 3: makes total sense to me. You cut me from being
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  Speaker 3: a practice squad guy who makes $ 300, 000 a year, or
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  Speaker 3: I could make a million bucks going back to college.
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  Speaker 3: It's not that hard to understand.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's pretty easy to understand.
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  Speaker 4: He's looking in terms of chasing your dream, not chasing
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  Speaker 4: the money. So I guess we have to change the...
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  Speaker 4: I guess the career ladder. It's no longer about making
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  Speaker 4: it to the league. It's about making the bank.
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  Speaker 5: Dreams change. When you are an undrafted tight end and
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  Speaker 5: you're looking at the depth chart of your National Football
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  Speaker 5: League team and you're fourth on it and you're not
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  Speaker 5: even sure you're going to have a job and somebody says, hey,
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  Speaker 5: if you want to come back and play college ball,
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  Speaker 5: I'll pay you two mil per. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: your dream now is to go get that bag. Go
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  Speaker 5: get that money.
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  Speaker 2: Dreams change.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe reality sets in for some of these guys who
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  Speaker 5: they're not even sure they're going to have a job
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL, but if they can make some money
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  Speaker 5: back in college, they'd like to do that. It's completely understandable.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's fair or is right, but it's
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  Speaker 5: completely understandable.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I find that way more acceptable than the 47-year-old
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  Speaker 3: freshman defensive lineman that entered that game for that whatever
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  Speaker 3: nothing school.
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  Speaker 2: It was a juke coat, bro.
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  Speaker 3: That is more offensive to me than somebody going to
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  Speaker 3: the pros going.
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  Speaker 6: Back to college.
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  Speaker 5: See, I don't understand why this is so offensive to you.
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  Speaker 5: You ever see necessary roughness, man?
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  Speaker 3: No 47-year-old deserves to be playing college athletics, okay?
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  Speaker 4: But he's doing it for the game. He's not doing
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  Speaker 4: it for money. He's too old to do that! He's
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  Speaker 4: doing it for the game. You see the difference here.
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  Speaker 4: These guys are going back to LSU, and their coach
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  Speaker 4: is inviting them back, even though he's speaking out of
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  Speaker 4: both sides of his mouth. They're not doing it for
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  Speaker 4: the game. Do you think these guys leaving these NFL–
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  Speaker 4: do you think they're– oh, God. Man, I still got
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  Speaker 4: some football. I love the game so much.
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  Speaker 3: I think Jokic is probably doing it for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the money too.
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  Speaker 4: But the whole concept of college football was built on that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I understand.
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  Speaker 4: And that's gone. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: That whole– it's gone. That's– The 47-year-old can get off
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  Speaker 3: the team, though. You don't have to go back and play.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to play with the 19-year-old kid. Imagine
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  Speaker 3: being somebody who worked all through high school. You get
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  Speaker 3: yourself this scholarship to this small school. You're working your
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  Speaker 3: butt off. And it's like, all right, rotate. 47-year-old, get
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  Speaker 3: in there.
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  Speaker 2: Get him out. It's a Juco, bro.
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  Speaker 4: So what?
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  Speaker 3: I know money. I know money. I'm exactly right. I
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  Speaker 3: know plenty of guys who play Juco baseball. And if
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  Speaker 3: you're telling me a 47-year-old is going to start it short.
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  Speaker 4: Over somebody else. What if he's better than you?
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  Speaker 3: 47-year-olds ain't supposed to be in college.
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  Speaker 2: How much eligibility do you have left?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think any.
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  Speaker 3: I think when I started, my clock ran out.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody just brought up on the text line, J.R. Smith
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  Speaker 4: went back to college to play golf. What if he's
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  Speaker 4: better than the other golfers? What's the problem? He has
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  Speaker 4: no college eligibility.
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  Speaker 3: I still think that's silly.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's silly you're so hung up on it.
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  Speaker 2: What if Mrs.
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  Speaker 6: Smith.
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  Speaker 2: You know what this is, Moshe?
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  Speaker 8: Mrs.
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  Speaker 5: Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Moshe, no.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a psychologist. I'm a doctor.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Please do.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: He is looking inward. He knows that he failed his
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: college experience. He had so much hope and promise. I
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: don't think it's that. And now this is his way
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: of going off on people that wanted.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty heavy-duty diagnosis, man.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I know, but that's... It's an immense failure on his
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: part in the college environment.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Look, all I'm saying is, Grandpa doesn't need to be
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: playing junior college sports, okay? I think that's pretty fair
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: to say. Grandpa doesn't have to be out there.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: So should we be talking sports? We're grandpas. I'm not
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: technically it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: What is the difference between Mrs. Smith, who.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: a single mom raising two kids, and then later in life,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: she goes, I'm going back to school to get my degree.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Is she taking the spot from an 18-year-old who would
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: have been in that class, but now it's not because Mrs.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Smith is taking that class?
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Anybody can go to school.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: And anybody can go play college golf if they're good enough.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: If J.R. Smith at the age of, whatever, 40, goes
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: back and plays golf and he's better than the 18-year-old,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: what's the problem?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I swear to God I'm doing it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: What?
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: I'm going to grind all winter long. I'm going to
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: grind in my garage, grind all winter on the off days.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: And then I'm going to see if I can get
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: me a Scully to go play college golf.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Moshe, Moshe, Moshe, you'd arrive shoeless like an idiot and
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: they'd tell you to go home.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: I'd be the talk of campus. He's two for two
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: this summer. Two private clubs, two appearances without shoes.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: 47.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: You seven-year-old.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Brett, if you could just correct your....
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: If you could just correct your mid-iron game, which is
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: really crap.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: No, this isn't about me.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: But if you could and somebody said, hey, do you
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: want to come play golf at the School of Mines?
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: No, I'm a grown man. Okay.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: That'd be my response. Nope, I'm an adult. I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: need to go ahead and do that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: It's fine.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Does Mines have golf, by the way?
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I'll play at Murphy.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they do. In fact, they play out of Rolling Hills.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: They do?
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They're probably all really good. I mean, I couldn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: make that team, but what if I was grinding.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: All winter, man?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I became a one. Let's say I became a one.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Why don't I go back to high school and go
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: play for a high school baseball team somewhere?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: What's the difference?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: What's the difference?
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Would I be taking somebody's spot in high school? I mean,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: what's the difference, right? This is high school golf. That's
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: a good response. That's a response to somebody who doesn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: know how to respond to what I just proposed.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, because now you're just getting ridiculous.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, why is that ridiculous?
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Juco is what? How old are people in Juco? 18, 19?
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, this is a great analogy.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Vic, why don't you like old people? Old people suck.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Hey, Vic, do you have grandparents?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Is that how you talk to your grandparents?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, my grandma's a lovely woman.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: She gives him a C-note like once a year. Vic,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: do you remember the movie Back to School with Ronnie Dangerfield? Yes.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Remember when he went to the diving board?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: And he joins the diving team. Remember that?
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And he does a triple lindy.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Er, er, er, er.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Good stuff, man.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of this, Grandpa. All right.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: 303-504-0925.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Back after this. All right. A few things here. Get
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: back to the Broncos. Get back to the Buffs. College
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: football for this state in CU is starting tomorrow.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: You know, that old guy going back to school thing
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: really bothered me because I thought of something, and I'm sorry.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: When my kid was up at CU, and that's... one
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: of the nicest rec centers in the world, by the way,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: and he'd be playing basketball, I said, hey, I'm going
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: to come up and play some ball with you. He goes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: what do you mean? I go, I'm going to come
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: up and play ball. So I'd show up at the
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: rec center with all the other co-eds, and I'd play
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: pickup basketball. And I held my own. There were no issues.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: 50-year-old man.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Playing ball with 18, 19, 20-year-olds.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: What are you bothered about here?
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: If there was somebody like you there saying, get off
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: the court, old man.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, if this is just a pickup game, I don't
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: care about that.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: You're playing organized. But that's their domain.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: If you're playing an organized thing where people are making
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: scholarships and you're going to practice every day and doing that, like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: different story.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Also, Mojo, I want to cut.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Get off, Grandpa.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Mojo, I want a cut of your Rocky Mountain ads.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: No problem.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Vic, you tweeted something about this yesterday. I struggle with this.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not. a McAfee hater. I'm not, but I'm getting
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: McAfee overload here. He's now in a movie on Netflix.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: So what he wants to do, I think, I think
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: that's his overall goal to, to become a Hollywood actor.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: That's what he wants to do. Like the rock.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: So he's a drill instructor in the mosquito bowl, I
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: guess is what the movie is.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: So, uh, did you say, you know about this story?
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: No, I read the book.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: It's a great book. It's, it's a known story. It's,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: It's a bunch of great college football players who played
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: some renowned college programs who were drafted. And it's during
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: World War II. And they were in the Pacific Front.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: And on one of these islands on the Pacific Front,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: with all these known football players, they said, let's put
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: together a football game. And they did a mock football game.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: And it's a great book. I can't remember who the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: author is. And they made a movie about it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Here's my question, though. If you're McAfee, are you concerned
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: that you are doing too much? And I mean that from, like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: a perception standpoint.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think he worries about things like that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Remember the Kelsey brothers? It was like Jason Kelsey won
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, and then Travis was dating Taylor Swift,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: and they were like, everybody's like, oh, the Kelseys are
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: really funny. And then it became enough with the Kelseys.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he crossed the line, I thought, when he became
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: the roving reporter at the Masters Par 3 tournament.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Well, McAfee is doing his show on ESPN. He's doing
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: College Game Day. He's doing some Monday Night Football stuff.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: He's doing alternate broadcasts of big games in college football.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: He's got a album that just dropped about a month ago.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: He's now going to be in movies. I feel like
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of McAfee.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: I just saw him talking to Tom Cruise outside of
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: the NASCAR.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, this had like this 20-minute bro-style discussion about
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: life and whatnot.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I think his bosses are doing him a disservice.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I do too.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I think his bosses are putting him in places where
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: the oversaturation of his brand, it's going to hit real hard.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. It's on him, but it's
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: also on ESPN. It's on his bosses. And by the way,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I keep looking at our zoom and it looks like
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Nelson is running a puppeteer office.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Who?
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Why do I keep... Who is that over your shoulder?
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: This is Connor.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: He's one of our new board ops and producers for
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: Avalanche and Nuggets broadcast this season. We're getting him in.
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: We're showing him all the buttons. I'm teaching him what
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: everything does. He's riding shotgun today, Vic.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's been there the entire show, and I'm wondering,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: do we have, like, a... What's going on? What is this?
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: Well, as the great Yogi Berra once said, you can
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: observe a lot just by watching, Vic.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Great. Anyway.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: By the way, that's coming from the guy at, like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: You come in the studio once a week, and half
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the times you come in the studio, you have like
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: a child with you.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: What do you mean you have a child?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: There's somebody that's come home for the summer from college
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: that's doing a shadow, and it's just like, hi.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: You are?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: People want to see the show. They want to come
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: on and experience our program, but I let you guys
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: know when I bring somebody in. I don't just... prop
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: somebody up on my lap like Nelly's doing right now.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: You know what? He's not a ventriloquist doll, Vic. My
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: hand's not up there.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: He's not a super big guy, and the way he
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: looks to your side, Vic is not incorrect.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: You could have your arm up his back or something.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Vic, Vic, next time you bring somebody in that's going
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to shadow you, you must do the show with them
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: on your lap.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: That's the half.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: But we haven't done that yet.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Do you recall when we used to have live studio audiences?
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: We did some of those shows with live audiences.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: We did some of those, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: We haven't done that in how many years? Six years?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Five years? How long?
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Why don't we do that sometime?
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: We stopped doing it because I think everybody felt you
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: were playing to the crowd way too much.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: You were. That is untrue.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: My late dog was there.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Remember, he jumped on the bed and slept on the bed?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: By the way, what a party it was yesterday for
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: the Rock, Paper, Scissors Tournament. Jake is headed to Kansas
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: City for the opening game of the year. We give
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: away dozens of prizes along the way. Thanks to everyone
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: who came out. Thank you to Rooftop Social, which was awesome.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And thank you to Bud Light, the official beer sponsor
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: of the Denver Broncos. And speaking of, should we bring
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: this psychopath on the air here?
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Well, let me describe what took place last night for
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: those who weren't there. It was one of the coolest
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: radio promotions, to be honest, I've ever been a part of.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: We've done a lot of these things like, hey, everybody,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: show up. Hey, show up. That's basically, that was the
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: war cry from Kevin Shockey. We're having a rocks, papers,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: scissors contest show up.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I like how you put the S on rocks, by
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the way. You've done that a couple of times.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: You did that on the Rocky Mountains, Rocky's Mountains Vince Clinics. Like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: you're putting an S on the end of everything.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: All right, the rocks, papers, and scissors contest. Anyway.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: It's got a Scott Hastings move, right?
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: It totally is.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: The initial reaction was, yeah, okay, I'll show up for
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: your cartoon. And then it turned into one of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: most dramatic, energy-sapping, once-of-a-lifetime type of sports endeavors. And I
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: call it a sport because the competition last night was intense.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: I couldn't leave. And it cost me my marriage. And
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: look at this.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: We got the winner here, Jake, who is with us.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: And again, it was a 64-person field. Go ahead and
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: pull him up, Nelly. Jake... was he had a strategy.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Look at this guy. Good Lord. I mean,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: would you look at this guy?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: He's got the tickets right there in front of him.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: First of all, Jake, welcome to the program. Congratulations on
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: your big win yesterday.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: How you doing?
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on, guys. Long-time listener. Pleasure to
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: meet Brett and Vic last night. Vic was more handsome
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: than I expected in person.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: It was intimidating.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: You did hug me for an extended period. I... I
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: first went up to you. I arrived at the bar.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I saw Brett. I ordered a drink. I had a
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: beer last night, and it didn't hurt my tummy. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I immediately asked you, do you have a strategy? And
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: then you spent the better part of the next three
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: hours trying to explain your strategy to me. All right,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: so now the mask is off.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: The mask is off.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Mask is off.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you for unmasking yourself. Can you explain to
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: our loyal listeners what your rock, paper, scissors strategy was
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: and how you learned it so quickly?
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: I will.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: First off, let me say what a great party you
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: guys threw last night. That was a ton of fun.
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: Right when I showed off, Rooftop Social was packed. They
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: did a great job. The food was great. The drinks
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: were awesome. Kevin did a great job putting everything on.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: It was tons of fun.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: But I spent a couple hours reading up on this,
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: listened to a couple podcasts, read a few articles. You've
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: got to take it seriously. There's a lot on the line.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Who is the nerd that does it best? Rock, paper, scissors, podcast.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And how many podcasts? It's one episode. Here's what you do.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You got a hand? Anybody who's got a hand, here's
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: what you do.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: Hey, the podcast has learned how I figured out the
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: elbow out on paper.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: That is a good move.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Could you actually read that, though, in time?
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Could you actually see the move?
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: You've got to be able to process it quickly. So rock,
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: your elbow stays in. Scissors, your elbow stays in. Paper,
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: if you do it like this, which should be cheating,
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: it stays in. But when you go down... The.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Elbow comes out. This is like a pitcher tipping his pitches.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: That's right. If you can catch that quick enough, you
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: can read that defense and call the audible.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: You mowed down the competition. I mean, it wasn't even close.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: You went through everybody. You had the answers to the test.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: So could you read through some people? Give me some
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: examples of when you read their act.
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, the final act there, I went against Marisol
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: there at the final.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: She was awesome.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: She was running her upshot through the competition.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: But I watched her play a couple times, and she
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: wasn't throwing rock at all. Nick, I told you that
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: right before I went up there. So I was like, well,
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: I know exactly how I'm going to start this.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: And you start with typically rock is what people typically
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: start with.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: It's strong, right? It's sturdy. It's rock.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: So you encounter that with paper. But after a while,
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: people expect that. So they know you're throwing paper. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: they throw scissors. And that's what she did. And I
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: got her on that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Let me just tell you something right now. Jake is
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I'm watching him. He is literally scouting. the competition like
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: a coach would watching film for next week's game.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: He's the New England Patriots.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: He looked at me before that last round. He is
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: not lying. He looked at me and he mouths, doesn't
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: throw rock. It's like he knew the whole time.
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: It's the power of local craft beer. I had just
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: enough to get me honed in mentally.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I see a bandage on your thumb. Did you injure
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: your thumb last night playing this vicious game?
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: Man, I got a real sweet set of new kitchen
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: knives the other day, and I have to go to
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: urgent care because I cut the tip of my thumb off.
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: And this is an hour and 15 minutes before the
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: Friday night Broncos preseason game. So going to urgent care,
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: I said, good news is the knives are real sharp.
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: Bad news is the Broncos kick off. In an hour
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: and 15 minutes. And I need to have my rump
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: in a barstool by then. Can you help me out?
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: And they got a five-star Google review.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Jake, somebody asked this because we were talking about gamesmanship
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: versus cheating. Somebody says, Vic, is this gamesmanship or cheating?
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: This is gamesmanship because everybody has access to podcasts to
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: learn how to throw. Everybody can scout their opponents. This
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: is doing your research. Yeah, this is just doing your work.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And Jake did his work, and that's why he's the winner.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: And he beat Marisol last night. And frankly, it wasn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: even close. You beat her four games to one. What
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: was it like though, being in that moment and everybody
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: in the bar was cheering for Marisol. You were like,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: they were booing you at times.
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: Well, I asked her how she got her strategy. She
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: said she started five minutes ago and it's just skill.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: I told everybody I was studying some AI and I
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: shouldn't have said that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Nobody liked the AI.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: They were booing me left and right. So I started
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: cussing Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs to try to.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Win them back. And you probably.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Were going to win that battle, dude.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Look, It's like a stand-up comic who's bombing. You're just
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: going to be like, where's all my Sagittarius people at?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Screw that, Mahomes.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You're with me, huh?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Anyways, Jake, congratulations. Where are you at right now, by
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the way? What is this?
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: I am one of the proud proprietors. My business partner,
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: Doug Hyman, and I, we are the proud owners of
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Downhill Brewing Company.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: Getting ready to brew a delicious Belgian Saison that should
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: be out in around three weeks.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: So that's where I am with the shameless promo.
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: Behind me and the not-by-accident Broncos colored hat.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Who are you taking to the game? I mean, you're
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: going to the opener at Arrowhead, compliments of Altitude Sports
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Radio and Bud Light. So who's going with you?
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: So she's a crazy Broncos friend. I have kind of
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: a newer lady friend. Her name is Ariana. Ends up
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: I don't need the Rocky Mountain men's club. But she
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: told me going into the competition, you'd better win this thing.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: So the pressure was on from that standpoint.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Well, have a good time. I like my idea best, though, Jake.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: The tickets are great. The hotel's great. But I ain't
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: paying for your airfare, man. We're going to give you
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: a donkey. We're going to slap it on the tail
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: and we're going to send it east, man. That's how
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: you're getting there.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So pack accordingly.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Then meet Thunder. We'll ride him out there.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: That sounds good.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Jake, congratulations, buddy. Hell of an effort last night.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks a lot, Jets. Appreciate you having me on.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Tons of fun. You got to listen to Altitude Radio
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: and get the keywords in to win.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Look at this.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, who's show did you qualify on?
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: It was the PhD show.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: And Palumbus and DMACC were both there last night. I
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: got to meet them for the first time.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: They were cool. Boy, Palumbus is bigger than I thought.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: That dude's huge.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I'm getting a piece of him.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Gargantuan.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Jake, congrats, buddy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: See you, buddy.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Hey, thanks a lot, fellas.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: There you go, Jake, the winner of our Rock, Paper,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Scissors tournament.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: It's so funny.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: He's listening to podcasts. He's the villain, so he's wearing
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: the— But he made it fun. Nacho Libre mask and everything.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Moj, he embraced that villain. I mean, because everybody was
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: rooting for Marisol, the lady. Everybody. I mean, they were
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: chanting her name, and this dude just looked him in
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: the face and said, I don't care.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: It's so true, Moj. He's getting booed because everybody is
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: cheering on Marisol, right? That's her name?
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: That was her name? everybody's cheering her on.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And she was awesome.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Like she had some swag whenever she was winning these
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: things and shake can feel losing it, losing the crowd.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And he goes, Bleep-a-holmes!
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: It's just the go-to. You want people back on your side,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: you just say that. Anyway, so congrats to Jake. Congrats
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: to Jake for the win. 303-504-0925. Oh, by the way, next.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Texture says that really happened. You interviewed a guy who
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: won the Rock, Paper, Scissors competition like he was the
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: second coming of John Elway. Let me tell you something
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: right now. He was the John Elway of Rock, Paper, Scissors.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know what else to tell you.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: It's just so crazy, though. I mean, you're breaking it
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: down like you have a game film and whatnot.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: The amount of people I asked, I was like, did
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: you research your stuff? They're like, yes, I did.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: The amount of people.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a cool prize.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I guess you want to be prepared.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Well, Marisol finished second. She didn't do jack squat, right?
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: True.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, stories around sports in the world
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: we feel like you should be aware of.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: All right, let me start things out.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: So we've been talking ad nauseum at times about Daquan
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Wright and Zavian Harris and these guys who want to
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: go back and play college football after signing with a
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: pro team. Well, the amount of hypocrisy around college football
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: drives me crazy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: You know, Steve Sarkeesian.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: With the Texas Longhorns, you realize they have an offensive
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: lineman on their team who sued to get a temporary
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: injunction to return to college football? Cole Hudson has played
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: 48 games over the four years for the Texas Longhorns.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Ten starts at center and left guard in 2025. He
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: went undrafted.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: He went to rookie minicamp with both the Browns and
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys, did not land a permanent contract. But
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: then when this five for five came out, he was
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: ineligible to play college ball because.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: He didn't fit the timeframe.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: He sued and got a temporary restraining order from, And
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: now he's back with the Texas Longhorns.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He's allowed to do this for now.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: But the point is, Daquan Wright and Xavier Harris, I'm
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: not saying I agree with it, but all they've done
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: is get a temporary restraining order as well. And the
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: SEC has banned them, but they have not banned him.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Can I ask a question?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: So are we talking about varying tiny degrees of... Yes.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Did you get a free hot dog from a football team?
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Um... Uh.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: What is a restraining order? Because I thought a restraining
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: order meant you have to stay away from somebody or something.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Restrain yourself.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, if my wife got a restraining order against me,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I couldn't see my wife. What is a restraining order
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: to play college football?
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: What the hell does that mean? I don't know.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: But over the last two years, Vic, how many players
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: have gone to the court system to have them rule
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: that they're.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Eligible to play?
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Way too much.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Way too much.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, as soon as we're... It's sports. And
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: as soon as the courts get involved in sports, we've
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: gone too far. Because money is bigger than the sport.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: And that's why.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I actually agree with you. If something in sports has
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to be settled with a judge, I don't want it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: I agree. I mean, the purity of the game is gone.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Then what are we doing here? I mean, it goes
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: back to the whole steroids thing with guys in front
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: of Congress, right?
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: It just muddied the game. It sullied the game. This
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: may be the best way to describe it. This is
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Ryan Day, Ohio State head coach. He says, do I
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: like anything about it?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: But we got to do what's right for Ohio State.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: So it's sort of a day-to-day thing right now. Like anything,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: we're just going to try to adapt. And that's where
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: everybody is.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Here's another story. Do you guys know about Dante Myers?
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: No, never heard of him.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: So he's a player out of the Cincinnati Bengals camp
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: who made the 53-man roster. Here's his story. So he
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: went to, how's this for a name, a Division II school,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Delta State. Went undrafted in 2023. He was a zero-star recruit.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So he started driving for Uber and DoorDash at night
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to make ends meet while he was structuring his days
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: around training to try and keep his football career alive, right?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: So he started to pay money to go to these tryouts.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: The same thing we were making fun of the G
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: League teams for, like, hey, pay money.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Go do that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: He was doing that. Turned out he caught on with
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Saskatchewan in the CFL, became an all-CFL player, and then
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: he got a text from Joe Burrow one day. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: he said, hey, it's the offseason. I need somebody to
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: throw passes to. Could you catch passes for me? He
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: drove overnight 460 miles to go to Joe Burrow's house,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: started catching passes from him. Burrow convinced the Bengals, like,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: give this guy a shot in camp, and he made
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the team. You're kidding.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: How cool of a story is that? How cool of
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: a story? That's a movie.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: That really is. That's outstanding.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: That is pretty cool, man. Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, the Tony Romo saga. Yesterday, he
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: pleaded no contest, you know, about his situation and the
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: video that emerged. He also issued a statement via social media.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: This past month has been difficult. but it's also been
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: personally significant. It has required me to confront and own
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: my mistakes fully. Now I'm going public. I left with
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: constant debilitating pain after football. It led to a dependence
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: on pain medication, and my efforts to get off those
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: medications led to an over-reliance on alcohol. None of this
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: is an excuse. These are my failures, and I take
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: responsibility for them. And you know what happened next, of course.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Gets pulled over. loses his job loses that big money
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of people said ah that was i can't
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: believe cbs would let him go after that but the
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: way i read this guys i think the cbs folks
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: and the people in his circle have known that this
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: has been going on for quite some time it didn't
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: just suddenly show up when he's driving across wisconsin okay.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: You don't fire a top analyst for, look, you shouldn't
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: drink and drive, you shouldn't operate a vehicle while impaired,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: but you typically don't get fired for that, especially if
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: you're one of the top guys.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Everybody's talking about CBS being heavy-handed, they've found a way
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: to get out of his contract. Trust me when I
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: say this, I think CBS folks knew there was something
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: going on for the last couple years. Just watch the broadcasts.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's much different. It feels actually a lot like
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: kind of the Tiger stuff that just happened. Tiger just
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: pled guilty to his. He now can't have a license
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: for the next five years. It's like you get injured,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: your body hurts, you're taking these pain meds, you get
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: addicted to the pain meds. I mean, that's a story
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: all over this country, right?
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: So many people dealing with stuff like that. It doesn't
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: matter how much money you have or don't have.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: It can strike anyone.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: You know why? Because those pain meds, I've used them,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: they work.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: So I've never taken one of those before.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's scary.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Somebody described it to me. He goes, you have no
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: idea how much pain you're actually in until you take
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: one of these and you don't feel it anymore. And
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: you're like, dude, I had so many things hurting me
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: that I didn't. I just thought that was life.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I'm thankful that I can't take pain medication anymore.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Because it makes me throw up.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: My wife's got the same thing.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So when I have my Achilles, right, blow. Hey, here's
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: a couple of Tylenol.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: So buy down a piece of leather?
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Dude, broken wrists, broken fingers, Achilles blow, gallbladder, any surgeries
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: that I've had.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: No pain meds. What do you do when you go
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: to the dentist?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: They got to hit you with that stuff. Novocaine is
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: different than pain medication.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: So like, Vic, for my wife, when she was going
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: through the childbirth thing, she got the epidural. That's fine.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Hell, I got an epidural during my wife's childbirth.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: They gave her, like, I didn't even know you do this.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I heard them say this when she was going through it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: It's like, all right, here comes fentanyl.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: What?
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: Fentanyl?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Immediately started puking.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't take.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: So the next time they were like, all right, she
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: can't take fentanyl. And then things were, were going bad.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: And they're like, we're going to have to do this.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: And she's like, no.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Immediately.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Of all the surgeries, there's also either it's either the
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: gas or the injection of the stuff that puts you out.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I forget. One of those makes me puke like crazy too.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: One doesn't. That's all.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: That's it though.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: That's all I got.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: So I got one for you.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, We know the stories. There's the
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: local company that is in a lawsuit right now with
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Liv to try and get their money back, right? The
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: money they're owed.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my boys at Fresh Tape Media.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: So we've seen the ones with guys like that, the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: vendors and contractors that are unpaid. Reportedly, John Rahm is
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: still owed over $ 100 million from Liv. And here's... Here's
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: my whole thought process towards this. There was one question
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: that was asked when Liv started and they started bringing
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: these guys from the PGA Tour over. One question. The
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: main question was, how are they going to afford this?
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that what we all were asking? It's like, you
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: can't just throw out billions of dollars in player contracts
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: with no guarantee that your league is successful, one, that
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: you'll make any money, two. And then it's like, well,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: what happens if the golfers don't get paid?
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: The guys who left basically tarnished their entire PGA golf
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: life to take the cash if they don't get the cash.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Hey, we've seen this happen in other sports, not to
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: this degree, but the USFL, which tried to challenge the NFL,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of big names, Steve Young signed with the USFL. Well, they,
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: they folded. They, they, they folded.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: They basically said, can't do this. So a lot of
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: dudes are out of work. Same things happen in other sports.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Man, you're, You're still reportedly owed over $ 100 million. That's nuts.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, too bad. He made the choice.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: He took the shot.
• 43:24
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• 43:25
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• 43:27
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