Latest / Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast / Episode 239: Why Fall Is the Best Time for BIG Walleye
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- 0:22SPEAKER_02: This episode of Outdoor Journal Radio is brought to you in part by the Invasive Species Center, protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species.
- 0:32SPEAKER_02: Freedom Cruise Canada, rent the boat, own the memories.
- 0:36SPEAKER_02: And JMB Cycle a Marine, your home for all things power sports, boats, and equipment.
- 0:43SPEAKER_02: And now, another exciting episode in the adventures of Outdoor Journal Radio.
- 0:56SPEAKER_02: Thank you, thank you, one and all, for joining us, uh, Outdoor Journal Radio, the podcast.
- 1:01SPEAKER_02: Uh, Peter Bowman, and I'm Angelo Wyola.
- 1:04SPEAKER_02: Hi.
- 1:05SPEAKER_02: And uh the rest of the crew, Nikki Mowney and uh Dean, the dancing machine tailor over here.
- 1:12SPEAKER_02: Have you ever seen Dean dance, by the way?
- 1:14SPEAKER_02: I keep calling him.
- 1:15SPEAKER_02: He is a smooth dude with smooth moves.
- 1:17SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't think I have.
- 1:18SPEAKER_02: It's hard to see.
- 1:19SPEAKER_02: I wonder why they call him a dancing machine.
- 1:21unknown: What's that?
- 1:22SPEAKER_02: Well, since you made it up, you'd have a reasonable thing that you might want to know.
- 1:26SPEAKER_02: Uh uh wonderful broadcast today.
- 1:30SPEAKER_02: Broadcast.
- 1:31SPEAKER_02: Hey! It's broadcast.
- 1:33SPEAKER_02: I learned that that uh earlier on today.
- 1:36SPEAKER_02: I was going uh searching stuff on the internet, and uh some podcasters are now saying that they're broadcasting.
- 1:44SPEAKER_02: So I said, Oh.
- 1:45SPEAKER_02: Did you look the definition?
- 1:46SPEAKER_02: Did you Google broadcasting?
- 1:48SPEAKER_02: It's a broad term now.
- 1:50SPEAKER_02: It's not what it used to be.
- 1:52SPEAKER_02: Um it's not a woman fishing, is it?
- 1:55SPEAKER_02: Okay.
- 1:56SPEAKER_02: I got I got a definition.
- 1:57SPEAKER_02: Oh, what the hell was that?
- 2:00SPEAKER_04: I got a definition.
- 2:01SPEAKER_04: You're gonna think about that one pretty good.
- 2:03SPEAKER_01: You gotta think deep into that one.
- 2:04SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking right now.
- 2:06SPEAKER_04: And uh according to um the dictionary, yes.
- 2:11SPEAKER_04: A broadcast means to send out sound, video, or data over a wide area using radio waves, television, or the internet.
- 2:20SPEAKER_04: That's it, or to make news and information widely known to the public.
- 2:23SPEAKER_02: And that's why they're calling it uh a broadcast.
- 2:26SPEAKER_02: Broadcast podcast.
- 2:27SPEAKER_02: Right?
- 2:28SPEAKER_02: Because you're putting it on the internet.
- 2:29SPEAKER_02: Wide is a broadcast broadcasting.
- 2:34SPEAKER_02: Do you know, speaking of each other there are over five million active podcasts out there as we speak?
- 2:43SPEAKER_01: Well, that doesn't surprise I didn't know, but it doesn't surprise me.
- 2:46SPEAKER_01: There's just everybody seems to have one.
- 2:48SPEAKER_01: Like there's so many, every genre has podcasts.
- 2:51SPEAKER_01: Macro that's a lot.
- 2:53SPEAKER_04: Well, a lot of it is I think people can just, you know, that's kind of the beauty of podcasting.
- 2:58SPEAKER_04: You can buy a microphone and a little laptop and off you go.
- 3:03SPEAKER_04: It is probably the cheapest way to enter into any sort of content production and by far the easiest for most people.
- 3:11SPEAKER_04: Hell, you don't even need a camera if you don't want one.
- 3:14SPEAKER_02: If you don't want one, but that is a popular uh thing right now versus video podcasting.
- 3:18SPEAKER_01: Even like YouTube's the same thing.
- 3:20SPEAKER_01: Pretty much anybody can start a YouTube channel if you get a camera and you can make your own YouTube channel.
- 3:27SPEAKER_01: Think to a YouTube channel.
- 3:28SPEAKER_00: Uh no, you can't monetize it until you get to a certain size, but yeah, but you can have your channel and broadcast whatever you broadcast there, I guess.
- 3:35SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't cost anything for that camera and that person's person's time.
- 3:38SPEAKER_01: They'd probably have that phone.
- 3:40SPEAKER_01: They want to use they want to do that.
- 3:41SPEAKER_01: They'd rather do that than work for a living.
- 3:44SPEAKER_01: Think about that.
- 3:45SPEAKER_01: You and I out there just all we did is just YouTube and every day.
- 3:48SPEAKER_01: We go out and do an hour YouTube and make our living.
- 3:51SPEAKER_02: Hell, hell, five hours would be would be a little longer.
- 3:56SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for us guys.
- 3:57SPEAKER_01: Even young guys, they can do that, you know.
- 3:59SPEAKER_01: I think us guys you gotta give us an hour.
- 4:01SPEAKER_02: An hour and then uh lunch and then maybe a nap.
- 4:04SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 4:04unknown: Yeah.
- 4:05SPEAKER_02: That would work nice.
- 4:06SPEAKER_02: I like that.
- 4:06SPEAKER_02: And then if you feel good, if you had a good nap, you could go out and you know spend another hour out there.
- 4:11SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
- 4:11SPEAKER_01: I mean, and a minimum 10 o'clock start time a.m.
- 4:16SPEAKER_01: Maybe 11.
- 4:17SPEAKER_01: Maybe 11.
- 4:17SPEAKER_02: I think.
- 4:18SPEAKER_02: No need for that stuff.
- 4:19SPEAKER_02: No, yeah.
- 4:20SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, uh I just uh had that observation.
- 4:24SPEAKER_02: By the way, uh look at those beautiful glowing fish in Canada.
- 4:28SPEAKER_02: Oh fish in Canada logos on those shirts.
- 4:31SPEAKER_02: These are the new uh 2.0 Nick, I think you're called.
- 4:34SPEAKER_04: Yeah, these are the the 2.0 lines.
- 4:37SPEAKER_04: So our 2.0 nine, we got the species hoodies, but we're also gonna have uh some new hats and the shirts, which are softer, feel stretchier.
- 4:46SPEAKER_04: I love they're thinner, which means you're gonna get less hot in them.
- 4:49SPEAKER_04: They're they're overall touching yourself.
- 4:51SPEAKER_01: Stop it.
- 4:52SPEAKER_04: They're just being excuse my grandfather beneath me here, you know, groping himself on the broadcast.
- 4:59SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna need to call my therapist together.
- 5:01SPEAKER_04: God forbid he touched like that, you know, the material that he always feels so I like I like the underrub you just did there.
- 5:07SPEAKER_04: It was good, it was very central.
- 5:08SPEAKER_02: Now, is it my imagination?
- 5:10SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize we had uh we had the logos in two sizes.
- 5:13SPEAKER_02: I got the small version and Pete's got the big version of the bottom.
- 5:15SPEAKER_02: Of course, right?
- 5:16SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why wouldn't you give me the big version?
- 5:17SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
- 5:17SPEAKER_04: I'm just you know, if you put a chihuahua's head on a pit bull's body, the pit bull's body's gonna look huge.
- 5:23SPEAKER_04: But if you put the chihuahua's head on an ant's body, the chihuahua's head's gonna look huge.
- 5:29SPEAKER_04: It's the same idea.
- 5:30SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
- 5:30SPEAKER_04: I think you got a little more width on Mr.
- 5:32SPEAKER_04: Bowman here.
- 5:33SPEAKER_01: Breadth.
- 5:34SPEAKER_01: But wouldn't you think more beam to the?
- 5:37SPEAKER_02: I think I would stretch it out more bow.
- 5:39SPEAKER_04: Oh, God.
- 5:40SPEAKER_04: I don't want to talk about your girth and stretching anything out.
- 5:42SPEAKER_04: This is uh going beyond this has already gone waist out, this podcast.
- 5:46SPEAKER_02: Anyways, it's a beautiful shirt.
- 5:47SPEAKER_02: I I gotta tell you right now, and I I love the original Fishing Canada t-shirt.
- 5:52SPEAKER_02: Guys know um, I absolutely love it, but I may have to convert over to this 2.0.
- 5:58SPEAKER_04: Well, and the nice thing is that because they're a softer shirt, they they should last you a little longer.
- 6:03SPEAKER_04: It is comfortable, I will say.
- 6:07SPEAKER_02: Are they like twice the price than I would imagine?
- 6:08SPEAKER_04: No, you know what?
- 6:09SPEAKER_04: Here's what's gonna get even better is that they're going to be the exact same price as the other shirts.
- 6:15SPEAKER_04: Come on now.
- 6:18SPEAKER_04: What the?
- 6:19SPEAKER_04: So keep your eye out actually on the store because um we don't have many of the old ones left, and we will be blasting those off.
- 6:25SPEAKER_02: Okay.
- 6:26SPEAKER_04: So, you know.
- 6:27SPEAKER_02: Are these available as we speak, or is this something you can do?
- 6:29SPEAKER_04: These are available as we speak.
- 6:31SPEAKER_04: Um, however, you know, they're just they're new to you guys.
- 6:34SPEAKER_04: Okay, not new to me.
- 6:35SPEAKER_02: All right, yes, fair enough.
- 6:37SPEAKER_04: Yes.
- 6:38SPEAKER_02: Uh we are going to do a walleye only uh show today.
- 6:44SPEAKER_02: No, you should have worn your pickerel shirt.
- 6:46SPEAKER_02: I you know, don't think I the problem with forced into no, I put this on just to try it because it they were just brought into my office, and and then somebody said, Hey boss, try this on.
- 6:55SPEAKER_02: So I did, and I said, Oh my god, that feels good.
- 6:57SPEAKER_02: But my original intention for today, because we're doing a walleye episode, was to wear that brand new walleye hoodie.
- 7:05SPEAKER_02: Oh, I got you.
- 7:06SPEAKER_04: Fret not, I'll be right back.
- 7:08SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
- 7:10SPEAKER_00: Now, I do have to say I tried very hard to find a news story today that stuck with the theme.
- 7:16SPEAKER_00: Normally I can do it.
- 7:17SPEAKER_00: We're deviating a little bit on the walleye's.
- 7:20SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we had one not too long ago, didn't we?
- 7:22SPEAKER_01: Not too long ago, I burned it.
- 7:23SPEAKER_01: The Lake Erie one?
- 7:24SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we did.
- 7:25SPEAKER_02: Burned it, but that's yeah.
- 7:26SPEAKER_02: And so what does that mean?
- 7:27SPEAKER_00: Tell me, tell me where it's gonna be a walleye special with a little bit of orcas thrown in.
- 7:32SPEAKER_01: Oh big walleye.
- 7:33SPEAKER_01: We're talking orca-sized walleye.
- 7:36SPEAKER_01: Dandies.
- 7:37SPEAKER_02: I saw a great documentary uh well a couple nights ago on one of the uh carriers, and it was uh carriers.
- 7:46SPEAKER_01: Listen to me.
- 7:47SPEAKER_02: I didn't want to name the place because they don't need my help, trust me.
- 7:50SPEAKER_02: No, I don't blame you.
- 7:51SPEAKER_02: Okay, they don't need me to tell them where I watched it.
- 7:53SPEAKER_02: So it's a carrier, one of the many wonderful people.
- 7:55SPEAKER_01: You're paying for the shit, aren't you?
- 7:57SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
- 7:59SPEAKER_02: So I wanted to just say, what are you doing?
- 8:03SPEAKER_04: I just want to get you in this.
- 8:04SPEAKER_02: Well, you can't get me in this.
- 8:05SPEAKER_02: I'm on I'm on doing the podcast.
- 8:08SPEAKER_02: But you're gonna mess my hair.
- 8:09SPEAKER_04: That's okay.
- 8:10SPEAKER_04: You don't got much of it anyway.
- 8:11SPEAKER_02: Oh, come on.
- 8:11SPEAKER_02: Just put it on my desk.
- 8:12SPEAKER_02: Just sit in front of the up there, yeah.
- 8:14SPEAKER_02: Stand there and hold it up to the camera and just let the folks see.
- 8:17SPEAKER_02: This is what I was going to wear, and who could blame me?
- 8:20SPEAKER_02: Not focus.
- 8:20SPEAKER_01: You gotta get a put it right like lift it right up, right in the focus zone.
- 8:24SPEAKER_01: There we go.
- 8:25SPEAKER_02: There you go.
- 8:26SPEAKER_02: That's what I was going to wear.
- 8:28SPEAKER_02: But I tried this t-shirt on and it felt so damn good.
- 8:31SPEAKER_01: Sander Vitreus.
- 8:32SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, that's beautiful.
- 8:34SPEAKER_02: That may be the nicest hoodie I've ever seen.
- 8:36SPEAKER_02: And I made the prediction uh with the original version of this.
- 8:39SPEAKER_02: I said it was going to be uh the best seller, and lo and behold, it was the best seller.
- 8:44SPEAKER_03: Come on now.
- 8:45SPEAKER_02: Now I'm going to say that the 2.0 so this whole clothing line.
- 8:51SPEAKER_02: The size of the walleye.
- 8:53SPEAKER_02: Okay.
- 8:53SPEAKER_02: Uh, we've removed a lot of the background, so it did like there was a rod, used to be a fishing rod hanging out here with a lure in its mouth.
- 9:00SPEAKER_02: We removed that.
- 9:02SPEAKER_02: So the focus is now more on the species itself.
- 9:05SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
- 9:06SPEAKER_02: Uh, we put the little red maple leaf down there where it belongs.
- 9:09SPEAKER_01: Canada, yeah.
- 9:10SPEAKER_02: Nobody, nobody can lay claim to that yet.
- 9:13SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 9:14SPEAKER_02: Piss on them.
- 9:15SPEAKER_02: I thought I'd put that in there for you folks uh viewing this south of the border.
- 9:20SPEAKER_02: This is your opportunity to get a little piece of hop on the right side of history.
- 9:24SPEAKER_02: Uh right, exactly.
- 9:26SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so anyway, so yeah, so that's the new uh 2.0.
- 9:30SPEAKER_02: It's beautiful.
- 9:30SPEAKER_01: 2.0.
- 9:31SPEAKER_01: Wow, we're all in it.
- 9:32SPEAKER_01: I like this 2.0.
- 9:33SPEAKER_01: You like that?
- 9:33SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do actually.
- 9:34SPEAKER_01: It's very cool.
- 9:35unknown: Very cool.
- 9:36SPEAKER_02: Pretty soon I'm gonna do FNC1 2.0.
- 9:40SPEAKER_02: FNC 1 2.0.
- 9:42SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wouldn't that just be FNC2?
- 9:44SPEAKER_02: No, no, it's FNC2.
- 9:46SPEAKER_01: It's FNC1 that's a new look.
- 9:48SPEAKER_02: 2.0, just uh a new 2.0 look and feel.
- 9:52SPEAKER_02: And it's coming.
- 9:54SPEAKER_02: Wow.
- 9:54SPEAKER_02: I I I I imagined it just the other day.
- 9:58SPEAKER_04: I gotta say, the cool thing with these hoodies, you guys have already like that, might be one of my last walleyes that I actually have here right now.
- 10:05SPEAKER_04: You guys have been great with just supporting and and getting into these new 2.0s.
- 10:10SPEAKER_03: Oh, you're selling these already?
- 10:11SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, they've been for sale.
- 10:12SPEAKER_03: Oh, fake.
- 10:13SPEAKER_02: Nobody tells me this stuff.
- 10:15SPEAKER_03: Well, you don't look.
- 10:16SPEAKER_03: You don't look.
- 10:18SPEAKER_02: So I thought I was kind of you know throwing something out there that was new and exciting.
- 10:21SPEAKER_03: I just want to say thank you.
- 10:22SPEAKER_04: It's wonderful and loving and wonderful fans.
- 10:25SPEAKER_02: Are they uh trending as uh number one?
- 10:28SPEAKER_04: Uh so far, no.
- 10:29SPEAKER_04: The pike is the pike and the bass.
- 10:32SPEAKER_04: Wow.
- 10:33SPEAKER_04: The largemouth or the uh smallmouth.
- 10:36SPEAKER_04: Largemouth.
- 10:37SPEAKER_04: Largemouth is out doing the smallmouth, but the pike is out doing it.
- 10:39SPEAKER_01: Look at that largy.
- 10:40SPEAKER_01: That's pretty outstanding.
- 10:41SPEAKER_01: That's pretty outstanding artwork right now.
- 10:43SPEAKER_02: Oh, unbelievably beautiful.
- 10:44SPEAKER_04: But yeah, right now the pike has taken the uh the cake.
- 10:48SPEAKER_01: Easy Lucius the Gator.
- 10:50SPEAKER_02: Lucius baby.
- 10:52SPEAKER_02: Uh thank you to all the wonderful folks at uh campus crew that worked tediously.
- 10:57SPEAKER_02: Uh they must get pissed off at us.
- 10:59SPEAKER_02: They submit drawings and we sing, no, uh, that one there needs to.
- 11:03SPEAKER_02: Then they submit that was it.
- 11:04SPEAKER_02: No, that one and and so I'm wondering, I was uh today we just approve the muskie.
- 11:09SPEAKER_02: The muskie finally, yeah.
- 11:10SPEAKER_02: Final.
- 11:12SPEAKER_02: So so my I'm thinking if I'm on the other side, I'm thinking, why don't you guys make all these changes when we first submit it to you?
- 11:20SPEAKER_02: And and then we don't have to keep resubmitting it.
- 11:23SPEAKER_01: Maybe the answer relationship they like the relationship.
- 11:26SPEAKER_01: They like to keep us, you know, keep us on our toes, make sure we're doing our job so that they can do their job.
- 11:31SPEAKER_04: Color is important.
- 11:32SPEAKER_04: They want a perfect.
- 11:33SPEAKER_04: I think that the thing is that every time we get a revision back, we always want to be better than it was.
- 11:38SPEAKER_04: So it's a lot easier to compound ideas than to come up with you know 30 revisions on the top of your head, make your three, go on with your life.
- 11:47SPEAKER_02: It's just that every time we do a revision, I see something else because that revision helped the vision.
- 11:54SPEAKER_02: That makes sense.
- 11:54SPEAKER_02: Oh, I like a little dr.
- 11:57SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
- 11:58SPEAKER_01: It's pretty bad when you gotta ask for the one.
- 12:01SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a joke.
- 12:02SPEAKER_00: I reserve it for jokes.
- 12:03SPEAKER_00: True vision.
- 12:04SPEAKER_00: True enough made the vision.
- 12:06SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's a joke, but thank you.
- 12:08SPEAKER_04: I think we gotta leave that one up to the fans.
- 12:10SPEAKER_02: All right, anyways, that's enough.
- 12:12SPEAKER_02: Uh, I thought we'd give you that.
- 12:14SPEAKER_02: Uh and and are so you said there were some sales going on?
- 12:18SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so the original shirt, the OG Fish in Canada T, which is on a Gildan t-shirt.
- 12:23SPEAKER_04: Right.
- 12:24SPEAKER_04: Um, we are putting on sale to make room for these wonderful 2.0, super silky, smooth, wonderful, thin, stretchy, delightful versions.
- 12:32SPEAKER_04: Gotcha.
- 12:34SPEAKER_04: With a nice bright logo.
- 12:35SPEAKER_04: Oh, a nice bright logo.
- 12:37SPEAKER_04: Up the red on the logo.
- 12:39SPEAKER_02: Uh, that's all happening at shop.fishingcanada.com or just go to fishingcanada.com and enter through through through the front door of the store, and you will get there.
- 12:49SPEAKER_02: And while you're there, uh just check out some of the other wonderful amenities available to you.
- 12:56SPEAKER_04: Like uh our copper line.
- 12:58SPEAKER_04: We have the copper eighty-eight.
- 13:00SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
- 13:01SPEAKER_04: We actually had someone just purchased our first one, the copier copper eighty-eight uh ankle anklet.
- 13:07SPEAKER_04: Anklet.
- 13:08SPEAKER_04: Anklet.
- 13:08SPEAKER_04: Anklet.
- 13:09SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like it's for the ankle support.
- 13:11SPEAKER_04: So would the this one be the wristlet, or how does that work?
- 13:14SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
- 13:14SPEAKER_04: I'm not a handologist.
- 13:16SPEAKER_04: I just do feet.
- 13:16SPEAKER_04: The glovelet.
- 13:17SPEAKER_04: How about the glovelets?
- 13:19SPEAKER_02: The gloves are wonderful.
- 13:20SPEAKER_02: Gauntlet.
- 13:20SPEAKER_02: I love the gloves.
- 13:22SPEAKER_02: Anyways, uh, listener, we we we need to move along here.
- 13:24SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think we should.
- 13:25SPEAKER_02: You can keep going back.
- 13:26SPEAKER_02: Do we annoy you when we go off topic like this?
- 13:29SPEAKER_02: Do we like we piss you off?
- 13:31SPEAKER_02: I hope so.
- 13:31SPEAKER_02: Because if you say, yeah, you're pissing me off, then we'll just move on.
- 13:37SPEAKER_01: Let's move on.
- 13:38SPEAKER_02: That was the beauty of live radio.
- 13:40SPEAKER_02: No, but it was the beauty of live radio because you would see it like immediately.
- 13:45SPEAKER_02: You would say something, and then the producer would have up on the screen, you know, Bill from Brampton says you're an idiot.
- 13:52SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it was it was cool.
- 13:54SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we should do some live versions of this, Dean.
- 13:57SPEAKER_00: We have some stuff in the works, we've been having some discussions.
- 14:00SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we can totally do it via YouTube.
- 14:02SPEAKER_00: Very, yeah.
- 14:03SPEAKER_00: We need people to give us some feedback.
- 14:06SPEAKER_00: One, if they want that, and what kind of stuff they'd be willing to tune in for.
- 14:10SPEAKER_00: Like, do you want questions?
- 14:12SPEAKER_00: Do you want interviews?
- 14:13SPEAKER_00: What do you want?
- 14:14SPEAKER_02: What would be the difference between, say, this right now and a live version of this?
- 14:20SPEAKER_00: Well, they can do what you just mentioned, which is interact with you on the spot.
- 14:23SPEAKER_00: So if you say something and they want to give their feedback, you're it's all live.
- 14:28SPEAKER_00: Like they can get the feedback.
- 14:29SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's like a super chat option on YouTube so we could do QA's with people live.
- 14:35SPEAKER_00: So it was so explained super chat.
- 14:38SPEAKER_00: It's essentially they'd be typing as you're talking right now.
- 14:41SPEAKER_00: It would pop up on this like the screen you're looking at, and you'd be able to answer them as they type.
- 14:45SPEAKER_01: I gotcha.
- 14:46SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 14:46unknown: I gotcha.
- 14:47SPEAKER_00: So if people would be interested in that, we'd be interested in trying to do that.
- 14:49SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let us know, please.
- 14:50SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 14:52SPEAKER_01: Is it is it a big effort?
- 14:53SPEAKER_01: Because we assume like do we need to have thousands of people to do this, or is it would it be worth the thousands of people who are here could could work on it, I think.
- 15:01SPEAKER_00: Okay.
- 15:02SPEAKER_00: All the people behind the scenes.
- 15:04SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
- 15:05SPEAKER_02: Very, very interesting.
- 15:08SPEAKER_02: Uh, listener feedback.
- 15:10SPEAKER_02: Speaking of feedback, because you're gonna hopefully get some feedback from people saying, yeah, I want to do live, or no, I don't want to, or tell that big fat guy to move on, quit wasting our time with all this rattles.
- 15:20SPEAKER_02: So that'd be like listener feedback.
- 15:22SPEAKER_02: Right?
- 15:23SPEAKER_01: That's listener feedback.
- 15:25SPEAKER_01: Uh in response, yeah.
- 15:26SPEAKER_01: See, he gets that.
- 15:28SPEAKER_00: That was a joke.
- 15:28SPEAKER_00: That was a joke.
- 15:30SPEAKER_00: See, that's a joke.
- 15:31SPEAKER_01: It's a joke.
- 15:31SPEAKER_01: You talk to put the fat guy and put the feedback into it.
- 15:34SPEAKER_01: So, you know.
- 15:36SPEAKER_02: In response to our post about blue walleye.
- 15:41SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
- 15:42SPEAKER_01: Pete stock via Facebook.
- 15:45SPEAKER_01: That's a great name.
- 15:45SPEAKER_01: Pete Stock.
- 15:46SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Pete Stock.
- 15:48SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's all right.
- 15:49SPEAKER_01: It's like a detective kind of Pete Stock.
- 15:52SPEAKER_02: Uh Pete says uh lots in eastern Ontario.
- 15:56SPEAKER_02: Uh they leave blue in the snow when catching them through the ice.
- 16:00SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming those blue that were on the ice, they're going home.
- 16:05SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be at.
- 16:06SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've got to be.
- 16:07SPEAKER_00: I've heard from a few people who eat them and they rub the blue off before they fillet them, because people have so many mixed opinions, whether it's a parasite or bacteria, or if it's a disease, or so I guess people are concerned, but well, if it wears off, there would rub it rubs off or wears off, it could cause some concern when you think of it.
- 16:30SPEAKER_01: For sure, yeah.
- 16:30SPEAKER_01: If it was right into the beautiful coloration of the fish, never to move again.
- 16:34SPEAKER_01: It might not be so psychologically, it might not hit you so hard, but when you see it on the space, so would you would you would you eat something that you could rub the finish off, like rub that off of?
- 16:43SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
- 16:44SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'd I'd try a bunch of it.
- 16:45SPEAKER_02: There's a reason I'm asking you because I I have some cigars in my humidor that have developed a little uh I uh mold.
- 16:53SPEAKER_01: They get moldy, they get a little bit more.
- 16:54SPEAKER_02: It's like a little fuzzy, but not big.
- 16:56SPEAKER_01: Okay.
- 16:58SPEAKER_01: Are they high-end cigars?
- 16:59SPEAKER_01: Because if so, yeah, I'll smoke them for you.
- 17:01SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 17:02SPEAKER_02: So you you're you're good with that.
- 17:03SPEAKER_02: So you need you need a cigar that has mold on it.
- 17:09SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know.
- 17:10SPEAKER_01: I've heard the I've heard the uh cigars get moldy too.
- 17:12SPEAKER_01: In the in the humidor.
- 17:13SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 17:14SPEAKER_01: I have heard that.
- 17:14SPEAKER_01: So has is that too much humidity?
- 17:16SPEAKER_01: Don't know why, but I have heard of.
- 17:21SPEAKER_01: Uh Randy J.
- 17:23SPEAKER_01: Uh Kirkwood.
- 17:24SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's a name via Facebook.
- 17:25SPEAKER_02: Randy J.
- 17:26SPEAKER_02: Kirkwood.
- 17:27SPEAKER_02: He says, uh, please clarify that the actual blue walleye was officially declared extinct in 1983.
- 17:36SPEAKER_02: Uh the blues that we catch today are actually regular yellow walleye with a layer of protein that make it look blue, and that's what you're scraping off as a protein, I'm assuming.
- 17:44SPEAKER_02: They both taste great, though.
- 17:46SPEAKER_00: And uh Stephen Cook, if you go back a few episodes ago, he was on to answer that.
- 17:51SPEAKER_00: Uh he confirmed that.
- 17:52SPEAKER_00: So there was an actual species called the blue walleye, which was genetically different enough from the walleye we catch now to have it classified as another species.
- 18:03SPEAKER_00: The one we catch now, uh, as far as there's any evidence now, there's no difference between it and the yellow, like the normal walleye.
- 18:12SPEAKER_02: It's just a coincidence that it has this blue protein.
- 18:16SPEAKER_00: So Stephen Cook says that I mean it's a it it still does pass genetically, so blue if blue walleye are spawning with other blue walleye, then there would just happen to be a lot of fish in a lake that are presenting blue, even though they're not another species.
- 18:32SPEAKER_00: But I've read a lot and I'm kind of curious, especially because there's certain lakes where it's so prominent.
- 18:38SPEAKER_00: I wonder if they have done enough research into whether these are actually distinct, because Lake Kippewa is one that has a like almost every walleye in there has some blue on it.
- 18:49SPEAKER_00: The Timmins area.
- 18:50SPEAKER_00: Every time we've been there, there's tons of blues.
- 18:52SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they they're they're very different looking than our beautiful Northern Ontario yellow, yeah, golden walleye.
- 18:59SPEAKER_01: Yeah, perfect, that perfect Northern Ontario walleye that's golden and all that so different because they're not just blue and tins, they seem to be gray, a grayer, like a beat up and nasty looking.
- 19:09SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
- 19:09SPEAKER_01: They are even rougher looking, too.
- 19:11SPEAKER_01: So you don't often see one that's perfect.
- 19:13SPEAKER_02: That's why I say it's just a coincidence that this coating happens to be blue that looks very similar to the now extinct blue walleye.
- 19:24SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
- 19:24SPEAKER_01: I know I I I am agreeing with you on this one.
- 19:26SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
- 19:27SPEAKER_01: It's kind of strange.
- 19:27SPEAKER_01: That's different.
- 19:28SPEAKER_01: I'll bet you're agreeing with me.
- 19:29SPEAKER_01: I'll bet you see in 1983 they were declared extinct.
- 19:33SPEAKER_01: From what I what I remember, because I was alive back then, that's for sure, and even before that.
- 19:37SPEAKER_01: Live back then, I guess you were.
- 19:39SPEAKER_01: But it was more it was always called the blue pickerel back then.
- 19:43SPEAKER_01: Always.
- 19:43SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 19:44SPEAKER_01: Nobody ever called it a blue pick.
- 19:45SPEAKER_01: When's a walleye a pickrel?
- 19:47SPEAKER_01: There you go.
- 19:48SPEAKER_01: When it's a blue pike.
- 19:49SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
- 19:51SPEAKER_01: But it was always the big the blue pickerel.
- 19:53SPEAKER_01: I remember that when we I remember in the for sure in the 70s we caught them near Sudbury and the and one one evening in a lake where we always caught yellows, I'll call them yellows or golden, whatever you want to call them.
- 20:03SPEAKER_01: And we we got these strange, and they were all in one school, too.
- 20:06SPEAKER_01: That's why I have to agree with what Dean and Dr.
- 20:09SPEAKER_01: Cook were saying there, and they sung together and they looked on.
- 20:12SPEAKER_01: What's this dad?
- 20:13SPEAKER_01: That's a blue picker, Petey.
- 20:15SPEAKER_01: Put them on the stringer.
- 20:17SPEAKER_01: We'll rub that, we'll rub that blue stuff off when we get them home.
- 20:20SPEAKER_01: That didn't matter.
- 20:22SPEAKER_01: Blue, they were gonna be green or pink.
- 20:23SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter to Gordy.
- 20:25SPEAKER_01: They're going on the stringer.
- 20:26SPEAKER_02: Everything went on the stringer.
- 20:29SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, it it it yeah, it's interesting.
- 20:32SPEAKER_02: We'll have to maybe see if we can get more info on it.
- 20:35SPEAKER_02: Although, you know, like when uh Dr.
- 20:38SPEAKER_02: Cook says it is, it is.
- 20:39SPEAKER_01: You know, but it just it would like you said, it's interesting to know why is this protein on here?
- 20:44SPEAKER_01: What is it but why is it blue?
- 20:46SPEAKER_01: And why is it blue?
- 20:47SPEAKER_02: Why is it uh like uh chartreuse?
- 20:49SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 20:49SPEAKER_02: Or something.
- 20:50SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 20:51SPEAKER_02: There's gotta be connection between that and the blue wallet.
- 20:54SPEAKER_01: It has to be.
- 20:55SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
- 20:56SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
- 20:57SPEAKER_02: Uh equally strange.
- 20:59SPEAKER_02: Conservation corner.
- 21:00SPEAKER_02: Uh now we're gonna talk about the grass carp, uh, which is very strange in our waterway.
- 21:07SPEAKER_02: And we are now at the end of the season, pretty much, fishing mice.
- 21:11SPEAKER_02: So there have not been a lot of uh are we gonna get any further explanation, Dean, uh, on the one that was caught?
- 21:19SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so a few episodes ago we had on um a representative from DFO who came on and explained it.
- 21:26SPEAKER_00: So if you go back to that, you'll hear it.
- 21:28SPEAKER_00: Okay.
- 21:28SPEAKER_01: You and I weren't there for that one.
- 21:29SPEAKER_01: I know, I was I was ill.
- 21:31SPEAKER_00: I was very ill.
- 21:31SPEAKER_00: Um but what I found interesting actually, so I was on Facebook on DFO's account when they posted that they caught the ones in Welland.
- 21:40SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 21:41SPEAKER_00: And so many people responded basically like, yeah, we know, with pictures of them with grass carp that they've been catching.
- 21:50SPEAKER_00: What?
- 21:50SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so people need to start reporting.
- 21:53SPEAKER_00: I know we we harp on this a lot and all that, but I think a lot of people realize once they saw the pictures of it.
- 22:00SPEAKER_00: What they were doing.
- 22:01SPEAKER_00: What they were catching.
- 22:02SPEAKER_00: And before maybe they thought they were commons or something.
- 22:05SPEAKER_00: So people definitely need to go look at the guide and make sure you're familiar because people are catching them, especially if you're down in that area now.
- 22:13SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've the two that were found were fertile.
- 22:17SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
- 22:18SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 22:18SPEAKER_00: So I would go back to that podcast and get some more information, but then definitely check out the pictures and make sure you know what it looks like.
- 22:25SPEAKER_00: Uh, better yet, go to invasivecarp.ca.
- 22:28SPEAKER_02: That's invasivecarp.ca.
- 22:30SPEAKER_02: Get all the info that you are ever going to need uh to stay on top of this.
- 22:34SPEAKER_01: We don't have there's been no at all sightings of silver, black, or or what's the other one?
- 22:41SPEAKER_01: Big head.
- 22:41SPEAKER_02: Not that we know of, no.
- 22:42SPEAKER_02: No.
- 22:43SPEAKER_02: But based on the information you just shared with us, who knows?
- 22:46SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
- 22:46SPEAKER_02: It could be five caught by people and oh, what's this one?
- 22:49SPEAKER_02: It's weird, yeah.
- 22:50SPEAKER_02: Put them on the stringer, Daddy.
- 22:52SPEAKER_02: Let's let's eat them up.
- 22:53SPEAKER_04: Can I eat them?
- 22:54SPEAKER_05: Can I eat them?
- 22:57SPEAKER_02: Uh in the news, brought to you by JMB, uh uh your outdoor superstar.
- 23:03SPEAKER_02: Dean and I were just talking to Roberto from GMB.
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- 23:10SPEAKER_02: He's got some interesting news that we're gonna share with the audience here coming up in the weeks after.
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- 23:17SPEAKER_02: That's really exciting.
- 23:19SPEAKER_02: Nice that uh we might be able to all get involved in uh very shortly.
- 23:23SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, uh, if you need uh, and this is the perfect time, believe it or not.
- 23:27SPEAKER_02: I know it's the end of the season, um, boating-wise, but this is the perfect time.
- 23:32SPEAKER_02: You're looking to upgrade or get into your first time rig, uh, this is the time that you need to start looking in.
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- 23:58SPEAKER_01: And not only just buying, remember, this is a marina, they do everything there.
- 24:02SPEAKER_01: So you want to get your boat serviced, winterized, anything like that, they do all that stuff and they do it well.
- 24:07SPEAKER_01: There you go.
- 24:08SPEAKER_02: Uh and in the news that J uh NB is bringing you is uh Orcas filmed ramming one of the world's heaviest fish so far, so hard that it exploded.
- 24:21SPEAKER_02: And they were probably possibly doing it for fun.
- 24:23SPEAKER_02: Before we get into that, though, I was saying animals.
- 24:26SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
- 24:29SPEAKER_02: I was watching this uh documentary recently on a uh distributor of uh videos, um and it was about orcas versus great whites.
- 24:41SPEAKER_02: Have you seen that?
- 24:42SPEAKER_02: Heard about it?
- 24:42SPEAKER_01: I oh I've heard a lot about it, but I haven't seen the documentary.
- 24:45SPEAKER_02: Documentation now, uh video of the fact that great whites actually seem to go out of their way for or not great whites, orcas seem to go out of their way for great whites as opposed to any other shark.
- 25:01SPEAKER_02: For that liver?
- 25:02SPEAKER_02: Yeah, liver for the liver.
- 25:03SPEAKER_02: And they do it in such a manner that it looks like it was surgically removed.
- 25:09SPEAKER_02: Like, how do they they got no hands, they got no fingers.
- 25:12SPEAKER_02: How do they do this?
- 25:13SPEAKER_02: But it showed how the the opening was just perfect, and the liver was gone.
- 25:19SPEAKER_02: And these livers can be, I believe they were saying between 50 and 75 pounds on some of the bigger fish.
- 25:24SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
- 25:25SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wow.
- 25:26SPEAKER_02: And so they've come up with a way of of uh attacking them and they don't have any idea of how that cut would be made like that.
- 25:34SPEAKER_02: And sometimes the shark is still alive, yeah.
- 25:37SPEAKER_02: Wow with a missing liver.
- 25:40SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty bizarre.
- 25:42SPEAKER_02: Uh the intellect in these in these orcas is is scary.
- 25:46SPEAKER_01: They say it's beyond anything out there, right?
- 25:47SPEAKER_01: That's just been said.
- 25:48SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, this particular story is about a pod of orcas that um and they do like to play with their food.
- 25:54SPEAKER_02: We've all seen the incredible uh visuals of them throwing seals around back and forth and walruses.
- 26:01SPEAKER_02: It's horrible, but it's crazy.
- 26:02SPEAKER_01: But it's funny as hell.
- 26:03SPEAKER_01: It's like if you're a sadistic person, you'll love it.
- 26:06SPEAKER_02: Um but in this particular case, it seems like uh this species called sharp tail sunfish is of particular interest to the Yorkas because they want to make it explode.
- 26:20SPEAKER_02: And the reason that they're uh attributing that to is because they're trying to feed uh their whole pod, including the young calves.
- 26:30SPEAKER_02: And by making hitting it in a certain way, they can make this you know 2,000 pound fish, I know it sounds terrible, literally explode in the water quality.
- 26:40SPEAKER_02: That makes sense though when you think of their feeding.
- 26:42SPEAKER_00: And they're probably the easiest targets ever.
- 26:44SPEAKER_00: Do you remember seeing the other thing?
- 26:44SPEAKER_01: Oh, not just dead, these ones are dead in this in this one, they're dead ones.
- 26:48SPEAKER_01: So they're hitting even these dead.
- 26:49SPEAKER_01: Now they might have killed them earlier, but yeah, they're the slowest moving, big giant sloppy, like a big old frisbee, a big plate, like a giant plate.
- 26:56SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, the most docile fish ever.
- 26:59SPEAKER_01: I mean, the easiest target for to hit to ram uh if it's alive, but I for some reason they're hitting these ones dead, and maybe they are they have to decompose a bit.
- 27:09SPEAKER_00: That's what it said, that they think maybe it's decomposing, so it's easier to sound like that shark thing, though.
- 27:14SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who knows?
- 27:16SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the story of that one in the in Florida that killed the people, the trainers?
- 27:22SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 27:22SPEAKER_01: So killed a couple trainers, they moved them from one Florida Sea World to another.
- 27:27SPEAKER_01: Now, this is gonna be graphic for anybody that doesn't know this story, but it was written that you want to talk about precision cutting, it bit off the genitalia of a guy.
- 27:42SPEAKER_01: That's it.
- 27:43SPEAKER_01: Other thing, but then in the body, like how do they do that?
- 27:47SPEAKER_01: That is like holy what the hell is going on with these things?
- 27:52SPEAKER_01: Now that thing was his I think that was his fourth victim.
- 27:54SPEAKER_01: I think it should have been put down, I think, a little earlier than that, maybe.
- 27:57SPEAKER_02: I am so glad that all of this information is coming out now because I remember years ago in BC uh the late uh Pete Maychuck and I were out fishing um I want to say uh Kings In Lead or someplace.
- 28:13SPEAKER_02: Anyways, we were in a small, you know, their boats were I don't know, sixteen, maybe seventeen foot uh fiberglass boats.
- 28:21SPEAKER_02: We were fishing in this little uh uh back bay, way, way, way uh off the beaten path away from the floating lodge that we were staying at.
- 28:30SPEAKER_02: And all of a sudden, this pod of whales came into this uh back bay, and it had like a little entrance in uh the bay, and they completely stopped our fishing, they completely stopped us dead in our tracks, and they just played with us.
- 28:50SPEAKER_02: They were just like circles circling the boat and and uh uh coming out and porpoising and and uh and splashing us, and like it was like they were putting on a show, and of course, and we loved it.
- 29:02SPEAKER_02: We were just sitting back and enjoying the whole thing, but but had that been and we didn't know much about orcas back then.
- 29:08SPEAKER_02: We thought they were nice, playful, gentle, great experience.
- 29:12SPEAKER_02: It was a wonderful experience.
- 29:13SPEAKER_02: Uh but had we known what we know today, been in that situation, we would have been trying to hightail it out of there like ASAP.
- 29:21SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wonder what they would have done if you did that.
- 29:23SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm wondering if the orcas would have then said, Oh, these guys want to play like a dog, like a dog if you run, right?
- 29:29SPEAKER_01: Because nowadays, lately, there have been orcas that are attacking boats, just smashing boats, big boats, but they're not killing the people.
- 29:37SPEAKER_01: No, they're breaking the boats up and then just taking off, not killing the people.
- 29:41SPEAKER_02: Almost just for fun, eh?
- 29:42SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 29:43SPEAKER_02: Boy, there's a lot.
- 29:45SPEAKER_02: One incredible animal.
- 29:46SPEAKER_02: A lot to be learned.
- 29:47SPEAKER_02: I mean, researchers need to do a lot of work still figuring out what Imagine having to research those big wild bastards.
- 29:54SPEAKER_01: You'd need a pretty much armored tank.
- 29:56SPEAKER_02: Um, because it's the only animal that seems to be able to turn the switch on and off between you know playfulness and and uh total annihilation.
- 30:07SPEAKER_01: Yes of all carnivores, right?
- 30:09SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's the number one.
- 30:10SPEAKER_01: Wow.
- 30:11SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
- 30:12SPEAKER_02: Anyways, a great story.
- 30:13SPEAKER_02: Uh obviously, we're not doing it near the justice that it deserves.
- 30:17SPEAKER_02: I thought that was better than normal, to be honest.
- 30:19SPEAKER_02: That was very good.
- 30:20SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
- 30:22SPEAKER_04: You guys almost sounded professional.
- 30:23SPEAKER_04: That was very good.
- 30:24SPEAKER_01: We don't ever want to sound, we're not gonna sound professional, especially during the news, okay?
- 30:28SPEAKER_01: Everybody just let you know.
- 30:29SPEAKER_01: That is not gonna happen.
- 30:30SPEAKER_01: If we do sound professional, please come comment with complaints and say, okay, guys, you need to be the assholes that you always do.
- 30:37SPEAKER_01: You know what?
- 30:38SPEAKER_04: I'd always trust an asshole to be an asshole.
- 30:40SPEAKER_04: And what I mean by that is you guys are uh unapologetically you.
- 30:45SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much.
- 30:46SPEAKER_04: So, you know, your news is a little biased, but I like my news biased.
- 30:49SPEAKER_04: I don't want to hear the other side.
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- 31:23SPEAKER_02: Fan question of the week, uh submitted uh by Jonathan Valorand.
- 31:29SPEAKER_02: Valorand.
- 31:30SPEAKER_02: Wow.
- 31:30SPEAKER_02: Jonathan Valerand.
- 31:31SPEAKER_02: Look at that name.
- 31:31SPEAKER_02: Never heard of that name in my life.
- 31:32SPEAKER_02: I never noticed that handsome young man there in that fan question of the week.
- 31:36SPEAKER_02: Looks like uh Ron Jeremy muscle.
- 31:37SPEAKER_02: Like a young Ron Jeremy.
- 31:41SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like that.
- 31:42SPEAKER_02: Nice peckerel.
- 31:43SPEAKER_02: How come that ain't uh uh current you?
- 31:45SPEAKER_02: Why do they decide to take uh an ancient you on there?
- 31:49SPEAKER_02: I'm sure we're gonna find out if you guys have a lot of people.
- 31:52SPEAKER_01: Hey, look at the hat.
- 31:53SPEAKER_01: Barclays, the outdoor specialist.
- 31:55SPEAKER_02: Let's let's go to that.
- 31:56SPEAKER_01: Probably because of the uh the uh the uh survival suit maybe show called Jonathan Valorand via email.
- 32:03SPEAKER_02: Uh he says, Hey guys, I've always heard that fall walleye fishing.
- 32:07SPEAKER_02: Now, what kind of a coincidence is that?
- 32:10SPEAKER_00: No, this sparked the episode because so that the the the story of how this came together.
- 32:16SPEAKER_00: Our best performing audio only episode, so before we went video, which has been almost two years now, was we had a fan question right in about summer walleye.
- 32:26SPEAKER_00: And that held the top spot for so long.
- 32:28SPEAKER_00: So when I saw this question in the archives, I was like, let's pull this one up.
- 32:32SPEAKER_00: It's timely.
- 32:33SPEAKER_00: We'll release this in the fall.
- 32:35SPEAKER_00: People probably want their to I think everyone can benefit from hearing more about this.
- 32:40SPEAKER_02: So this question started it all.
- 32:42SPEAKER_02: Okay, get ready on that uh that drum roll, okay?
- 32:45SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is like summer walleye, summer pickerl.
- 32:50SPEAKER_01: I had that in my head.
- 32:51SPEAKER_01: Did you?
- 32:52SPEAKER_01: I swear to God, I had it.
- 32:56SPEAKER_01: But he was so fast.
- 32:57SPEAKER_01: You got you you brought a good transition in there, buddy.
- 32:59SPEAKER_02: I had to warn him otherwise I wouldn't have got it.
- 33:02SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't have got the drum roll, but you would have got it.
- 33:04SPEAKER_02: He would have got you on that one.
- 33:06SPEAKER_02: I think Enix.
- 33:07SPEAKER_02: Uh hey guys, I've always heard that fall walleye fishing can be incredible, uh, but it can also be painfully slow.
- 33:16SPEAKER_02: I usually put my boat away at the end of September.
- 33:19SPEAKER_02: Big mistake.
- 33:21SPEAKER_02: Um, so can you convince me to keep it out a little bit longer?
- 33:25SPEAKER_02: And if I do, what advice can you give me for finding walleye once the water starts to get cool?
- 33:31SPEAKER_02: Great question.
- 33:33SPEAKER_02: Love it.
- 33:33SPEAKER_02: Is this uh qualify for anything?
- 33:35SPEAKER_00: No, but it it it it inspired the episode so they can go home knowing that.
- 33:39SPEAKER_02: Jonathan, so you know that you just inspired an entire subject for the And I guess we might as well go right into today's topic, which is a fall walleye.
- 33:48SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
- 33:49SPEAKER_02: Because you can probably answer that while we're go ahead.
- 33:51SPEAKER_01: Well while we're well, first off, let's look, yeah, let's answer this.
- 33:54SPEAKER_01: So can be incredible?
- 33:56SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
- 33:57SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
- 33:58SPEAKER_01: Some of our best, uh some of our absolute best for numbers and big fish has been in the fall for sure, without a doubt.
- 34:06SPEAKER_01: Um, if I was gonna pick a time of year, actually it would be fall walleye for me for for walleye fish.
- 34:12SPEAKER_02: Give us a narrow it down to uh uh a month.
- 34:15SPEAKER_01: October.
- 34:16SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 34:16SPEAKER_01: October's a dandy.
- 34:18SPEAKER_01: Andy, and nowadays with this global warming, whatever we're having here and November, like mid right through mid-November.
- 34:24SPEAKER_01: So October through mid-November, I would say, is uh rock and roll.
- 34:29SPEAKER_01: And probably later October now, mid-October to mid-November would be uh the best of all best.
- 34:35SPEAKER_02: A couple of personal experiences with that, and uh still not really a hundred percent able to uh tell you why, but two that come to mind for me, and I know you were involved in one of them, and that is now we're talking about uh big water walleye where they're migrating from point A to point B, and generally the migration happens because they're following food like any other fish.
- 35:04SPEAKER_02: The two most incredible experiences, one was uh regarding uh shade and light, and that's that bridge.
- 35:13SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and only happens at this uh period, and it was October, if I'm not sure.
- 35:20SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was definitely fall.
- 35:22SPEAKER_02: And the other one is even weirder.
- 35:25SPEAKER_02: And every time I tell people this, ah, you got your animals and your minerals all mixed up or something.
- 35:31SPEAKER_02: Minerals because thank you, dude.
- 35:34SPEAKER_02: Because it happens to coincide with frog migration of all things.
- 35:39SPEAKER_02: I've heard this, I've never experienced this.
- 35:41SPEAKER_02: I've never experienced it personally, and I gotta tell you, uh, it is phenomenal.
- 35:45SPEAKER_02: Now, now coincidence?
- 35:48SPEAKER_02: Perhaps could have been coincidence in that it just happened to be the frog migration and the walleye just happened to be going by, and I kind of put two and two together and said, those sons of bitches are chasing frogs.
- 36:04SPEAKER_02: Could be.
- 36:05SPEAKER_02: I don't think so, because I've heard of it all.
- 36:07SPEAKER_01: Topwater baits other than you, topwater baits from shore.
- 36:11SPEAKER_02: And and the only way that that you would get the the strike is that the topwater bait had to come from shore.
- 36:17SPEAKER_02: Oh, come on, right.
- 36:18SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you, it could not be two feet offshore.
- 36:21SPEAKER_02: It had to hit crap.
- 36:23SPEAKER_01: They're sitting there looking at the shore or shoreline, they're just sitting there waiting.
- 36:26SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
- 36:26SPEAKER_02: And they see this thing jumping into the water and it's all over in about a foot and a half, two feet of water, it's all over.
- 36:32SPEAKER_02: Mayhem.
- 36:33SPEAKER_02: Good ones, like nice ones.
- 36:35SPEAKER_02: Uh at the time, yeah, I think probably the biggest would have been eight to nine pounds.
- 36:39SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, that's nice ones.
- 36:40SPEAKER_02: But but lots of those nice, beautiful five to seven pounds, oh my god, fat, juicy walleye.
- 36:47SPEAKER_02: They were unreal.
- 36:47SPEAKER_01: They'd be fat if they were eating frogs, that's for sure.
- 36:49SPEAKER_02: All on top water.
- 36:50SPEAKER_02: Oh on topwater.
- 36:52SPEAKER_02: That's probably all you could fish, right?
- 36:53SPEAKER_02: You couldn't even really fish anything as well.
- 36:54SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't wouldn't throw anything else.
- 36:56SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why would you, yeah.
- 36:57SPEAKER_02: And so later on looked into it.
- 36:59SPEAKER_02: And uh, yeah, there was some evidence that would lead us to believe that that there is this tiny little window in certain areas where it was a frog bite.
- 37:10SPEAKER_02: Frogs move, they migrate to the lake.
- 37:12SPEAKER_02: Is that what you're saying?
- 37:13SPEAKER_02: Frogs, well, because they go in when temperatures hit whatever those temperatures are, they go in down into the mud and that's where they hibernate.
- 37:21SPEAKER_02: They're done.
- 37:21SPEAKER_02: Okay, right?
- 37:22SPEAKER_02: And so the walleye learned how I well, it's like the orcas.
- 37:28SPEAKER_02: How does how does the orca cut a liver out of a great white?
- 37:33SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
- 37:33SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they learned that if they were there at the right time and this migration was happening, uh, that it would be bonanza for you know what freaky is that when you say this too, is that we the norm is largemouth bass and maybe smallmouth on frogs.
- 37:50SPEAKER_01: And they were none of the.
- 37:51SPEAKER_02: I had never even thought of ever connecting walleye with frogs up until then.
- 37:55SPEAKER_01: And there was no largies in there doing that same thing, no competition, maybe in the daytime.
- 37:59SPEAKER_01: You were done, you're talking night.
- 38:01SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this was late from from just at dusk right into the night.
- 38:05SPEAKER_01: So oh, the frogs are only moving at night, too, right?
- 38:08SPEAKER_01: Apparently, I don't know.
- 38:09SPEAKER_01: You didn't try in the day, is what I'm asking.
- 38:11SPEAKER_01: Sort of no, no, no, why why would you?
- 38:13SPEAKER_01: They probably wouldn't even the frogs are moving at night.
- 38:16SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
- 38:17SPEAKER_02: I've heard of it before, but just unbelievable.
- 38:20SPEAKER_02: And and I have personally never replicated it, but that's because I didn't put my I haven't put myself in that position anymore, again, for whatever reason.
- 38:29SPEAKER_02: Because it from what we understood, it is a very small window, and it's not the same window everywhere.
- 38:37SPEAKER_02: It depends on the biomass in that area, it depends on the temperatures, it depends on moon phase, who knows?
- 38:43SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but whatever it was, it was on.
- 38:46SPEAKER_02: But I've talked to enough people since then about that story, and I've heard a few people who've experienced it as well.
- 38:52SPEAKER_01: We need to bring that one up to Stephen Cook.
- 38:54SPEAKER_01: That's a good one.
- 38:55SPEAKER_02: There you go.
- 38:56SPEAKER_02: There's a Stephen Cook uh show now.
- 38:58SPEAKER_02: That'd be awesome to learn about that one because walleye seem to be that species that really know they're opportunistic feeders, we know that already, but they really know how to key in on those perfect times, i.e., the mayfly hatch.
- 39:14SPEAKER_02: Right?
- 39:15SPEAKER_02: Walleye are perfect for identifying that.
- 39:17SPEAKER_02: Yep.
- 39:18SPEAKER_02: And I experienced that one too.
- 39:21SPEAKER_02: And I know that walleye definitely seem to know when that mayfly hatch is about to start because they will congregate in generally in those deeper uh muddy bottom uh depressions in a body of water.
- 39:38SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they literally will just as those mayflies start popping up, and of course there's bubbles and air coming up, and they just it's a frenzy.
- 39:46SPEAKER_02: Wow.
- 39:47SPEAKER_02: It's a frenzy.
- 39:48SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you're right.
- 39:49SPEAKER_01: They're very they'll capitalize.
- 39:51SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
- 39:51SPEAKER_01: There's no doubt about it.
- 39:52SPEAKER_01: Unlike bass.
- 39:53SPEAKER_02: See, bass to me, uh, they're different features.
- 39:55SPEAKER_01: They're like an ambush kind of guy.
- 39:57SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're one and done, right?
- 39:58SPEAKER_02: So I need I need something right now.
- 40:00SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's uh something moving over there.
- 40:02SPEAKER_02: Let me go scoff it down.
- 40:04SPEAKER_02: But walleye seem to be wow, they're almost like orcas.
- 40:07SPEAKER_02: They seem to be able to figure out these natural patterns in wildlife, and they'll congregate, even if it's big schools of uh uh of bait fish.
- 40:18SPEAKER_02: Walleye are yeah, perfect feeders for that.
- 40:20SPEAKER_01: They follow them, all the hell out of it, Lake Erie, stuff like that.
- 40:23SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and when it's the perfect time, boof.
- 40:25SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, a smallmouth is sort of like that in that they group up, they're like bullies, and they they're like pack, wolf packs that go swimming, but they're still not like you say, they keep roaming around and roaming around.
- 40:35SPEAKER_01: Walleye will set up somewhere, right?
- 40:37SPEAKER_01: They'll not just set up in these packs of eight, ten, or twelve fish over the lake, yeah.
- 40:41SPEAKER_02: I mean, where better can you see that happening than fall fall migration of walleye and bay of Quinny?
- 40:46SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
- 40:47SPEAKER_02: And and there are areas where they will set up, if you call it setting up, every year.
- 40:54SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 40:54SPEAKER_02: And when that big school of of what are they feeding on?
- 40:58SPEAKER_01: Shad shad when I'm shad in there in the in the fall in Quinty.
- 41:02SPEAKER_02: So when that big school of shad make that turn around that point, that depression, whatever, they they're already there waiting for them.
- 41:10SPEAKER_02: It's like they know.
- 41:12SPEAKER_02: They're they're and that's why to us fall fishing is probably the best time of year, uh, truth were to be known to go walleye fishing.
- 41:20SPEAKER_02: Because once you understand the beast, I'm not gonna say it becomes a little more predictable, but it becomes a little more predictable.
- 41:27SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
- 41:28SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 41:29SPEAKER_01: The uh and you the mind-boggling part of it, what what Angela's saying is that with this shad base, you would not believe the amount of food that's out there.
- 41:39SPEAKER_01: Oh like if you think you see a school of minnows that looks pretty thick and juicy to these fish, this these shad in the fall is shad.
- 41:47SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's a ale wife or not, but I've I've been told it's shad, so I'm gonna say it's shad.
- 41:52SPEAKER_01: These schools are massive, and these baits are all you know, four, five, six inches, each one of them, you know, it's like ten minnows in one bite.
- 42:00SPEAKER_01: So these fish are they've got this food base at their uh on their dinner table at will.
- 42:05SPEAKER_01: So um, but it doesn't stop them from biting lures, you know, and and presentations from anglers.
- 42:11SPEAKER_02: How important is it at that time that you match the hatch, you think?
- 42:16SPEAKER_02: I've got a reason I'm asking that question.
- 42:18SPEAKER_01: I uh I mean I would say no, it's not important in the sense of color because we use the stupidest colors out there and they all work.
- 42:28SPEAKER_01: Like the most purple wonder bred.
- 42:31SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, that is the craziest color out there.
- 42:33SPEAKER_02: By the way, that's the hottest fall color in some bodies of water for walleye that you're ever gonna find.
- 42:37SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Barbie, there's there's certain certain Barbie colors.
- 42:41SPEAKER_01: There's it is a it is if you look up fall crankbaits for walleye, not just our Yozuri's, but all the brands that are out there.
- 42:49SPEAKER_01: I think it's Yale.
- 42:51SPEAKER_01: There's a Canadian guy that makes fall crankbaits for walleye, and he has got the craziest color patterns, and all of a sudden he sells out of uh this pink uh flame whatever.
- 43:01SPEAKER_01: And like, what the hell?
- 43:03SPEAKER_01: That don't look like a shad at all.
- 43:04SPEAKER_01: Now maybe that's why they're hitting it because it looks a little different than a shad.
- 43:08SPEAKER_01: I don't know why they do it, but they do it, man.
- 43:11SPEAKER_01: So I don't think match the hatch is on on all cases is uh is that important.
- 43:16SPEAKER_02: I think in the fall is probably probably the least important uh is the color and the pattern of of your bait in the fall.
- 43:24SPEAKER_02: Sometimes during the summer period when you know things are a little bit slower and tougher.
- 43:29SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I think walleye do, but then they're not feeding the way they feed in the fall.
- 43:34SPEAKER_02: No, it's a whole different game.
- 43:35SPEAKER_02: They're not uh grouping up and and and chasing down bait like they do in the fall.
- 43:39SPEAKER_02: They're they're just eating on their own kind of thing, right?
- 43:42SPEAKER_02: But and there you have to be a little more uh discreet, we'll call it with your presentation.
- 43:47SPEAKER_02: But in the fall, you're right, it almost seems the goofier, the crazier, the wilder, the better.
- 43:52SPEAKER_02: Oh god.
- 43:53SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
- 43:53SPEAKER_01: It is insane.
- 43:54SPEAKER_01: Now, that said, my biggest fall while I on a jig.
- 43:59SPEAKER_01: Ouch.
- 44:00SPEAKER_01: Usually so I'll go back to my early years on the Bay of Queen's a perfect example.
- 44:04SPEAKER_01: Is that we just lived off of a jig and minnow, jig and a live minnow, and that's just and it when the wall I turn on and they do turn on and off and all that stuff, when they turn on, it's just they just pop in these things left, right, and center, and you just have a heyday of your life.
- 44:19SPEAKER_01: But my biggest one was on a on a jig head and a a shad, like a basic uh fluke, like a fluke bait that was about last year or the year before, um, on on a jig.
- 44:30SPEAKER_01: And so that one looks very close to to uh a minnow or a shad or something like that.
- 44:35SPEAKER_01: So uh and it you know it it ate it.
- 44:38SPEAKER_01: It was a it's a funny story.
- 44:39SPEAKER_01: I think I've told you this, but Mikey Burris and I were out uh in November and we had the live scope going on his boat.
- 44:45SPEAKER_01: We're scoping, scoping, and he throws out to a fish or whatever he saw fish there, and he breaks off.
- 44:50SPEAKER_01: It was a pike, like you could tell just like that.
- 44:52SPEAKER_01: He goes, Ah, he all freaked out.
- 44:54SPEAKER_01: And I just turned the scope a little bit.
- 44:56SPEAKER_01: I went up to the front of his boat and turned the scope a little bit.
- 44:58SPEAKER_01: I wasn't really onto it because I was sort of dragging and can I stop you there for a year?
- 45:02SPEAKER_02: Just done on me.
- 45:02SPEAKER_02: You and Mike, you're fishing into two different boats.
- 45:05SPEAKER_01: You're not fishing together.
- 45:06SPEAKER_01: No, we were in the boat, same boat.
- 45:07SPEAKER_02: Oh, you were?
- 45:08SPEAKER_02: Okay.
- 45:08SPEAKER_02: So you said you turned your live scope.
- 45:10SPEAKER_01: No, I he was on the front.
- 45:12SPEAKER_01: He was doing his front live scoping thing, and then we were just kind of working, you know, kind of together.
- 45:16SPEAKER_01: But then uh, so I said, uh here, let me up there as he's retying.
- 45:20SPEAKER_01: I said, I might as well take it.
- 45:21SPEAKER_01: And I looked over to the same school that he shot to, and I threw out a cast and just swam the stupid jig through, you know, a high through.
- 45:27SPEAKER_01: And I did, I was windy, it was a bad, it was I couldn't keep the scope on it, so I just thought I made a decent cast, let it drop to what I thought, and I got like almost a 12-pound walleye on a jig, swimming a jig.
- 45:36SPEAKER_01: He looked at me, he said, You asshole.
- 45:38SPEAKER_02: He must have been happy with you on that.
- 45:40SPEAKER_01: It was a tank.
- 45:41SPEAKER_01: So that but that's a very natural looking bait, right?
- 45:43SPEAKER_01: It was a shad colored.
- 45:44SPEAKER_01: I think it was a Z-man uh on a j on a jig head and um very natural color.
- 45:49SPEAKER_01: So not saying that naturals won't work, because they will work.
- 45:51SPEAKER_01: What made you throw that bait?
- 45:53SPEAKER_01: Uh I wanted to get better with a jig minnow kind of a jig plastic minnow bait, you know.
- 45:59SPEAKER_02: Because they do that well, the the hard bait time of year that you're I I would assume.
- 46:05SPEAKER_02: It's not generally, or that spot maybe was.
- 46:07SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
- 46:08SPEAKER_01: Oh, these were open water.
- 46:09SPEAKER_01: This is a long reach.
- 46:10SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 46:10SPEAKER_01: This is right in the middle of open water, and these fish were up off the bottom.
- 46:13SPEAKER_01: I you know what?
- 46:14SPEAKER_01: It's it was transitioned to me from the bass fraternity.
- 46:17SPEAKER_01: They that's what they're throwing uh from Texas all the way up to New York as that this jig minnow.
- 46:22SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just the jigging plastic.
- 46:24SPEAKER_01: So I thought, you know what, walleye might be better than you know, something like that.
- 46:28SPEAKER_01: So I just threw it out there and it was successful that day.
- 46:31SPEAKER_01: We not just that fish, but that was my you know, my biggest of all time, sort of thing like that.
- 46:35SPEAKER_01: So if you're gonna get your biggest fish of all time, the fall, there's a good chance to do it because you know, opening week, opening two weeks or whatever, the big females are spent.
- 46:45SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're no, they're not really they might be feeding, but even if they're feeding, they're at their lightest because they've just spawned out, sort of thing like that.
- 46:52SPEAKER_01: When you're talking fall, they've already that fish right there has eggs in it.
- 46:56SPEAKER_01: That fish not only has food in it, it's got eggs in it.
- 46:58SPEAKER_01: So it's at its heaviest, you know, between fall and winter.
- 47:01SPEAKER_01: Winter's maybe the heaviest is all.
- 47:03SPEAKER_02: And I think motivation might be a key there too.
- 47:06SPEAKER_02: That fish is motivated, it's on a mission.
- 47:08SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's moving from its summer haunts, big water, and it's moving to a spawning area that it'll eventually end up spawning in the in the uh spring.
- 47:19SPEAKER_02: But on its travels, it needs to bulk up.
- 47:22SPEAKER_02: You just said it's full of eggs.
- 47:24SPEAKER_02: Well, that takes a lot of energy to develop those eggs, and plus the movement itself, they need to feed and feed regularly.
- 47:31SPEAKER_02: They're in the peak of their that time of year, they're the healthiest that they'll ever be all year long.
- 47:38SPEAKER_02: That's right.
- 47:38SPEAKER_02: In the spring, when they're they're falling back, they are like they are spent.
- 47:44SPEAKER_02: And and to me, that's a much tougher fishery than the fall fishery, right?
- 47:48SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so too.
- 47:49SPEAKER_01: Until they start putting the feed back on, then that's a different story.
- 47:52SPEAKER_01: Now, on smaller lakes, because you gotta look at all lakes, we're talking about big water here a lot of times, but in the smaller lakes, it's pretty much the same thing.
- 47:59SPEAKER_01: These fish are at their healthiest.
- 48:01SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of times there we'll look for green weeds.
- 48:04SPEAKER_01: If you find if you still have green weeds in your in your lake, anywhere, especially that nice 15 to 20 foot you know area.
- 48:11SPEAKER_01: Usually weeds don't go hard to find weeds in 20 feet, but you can.
- 48:15SPEAKER_01: But if that you know, that 12-foot weed line drops into 20 and 30 feet of water, those green weeds can be money.
- 48:20SPEAKER_01: Like even in in the wintertime when you're ice fishing, you always notice that guys are setting up close to weeds or right on the weed beds in uh uh in the wintertime.
- 48:28SPEAKER_01: So in the fall is no different.
- 48:29SPEAKER_01: And it's it's all about bait again.
- 48:31SPEAKER_01: And it's food.
- 48:33SPEAKER_01: These smaller lakes, it's more perch than anything, probably.
- 48:35SPEAKER_01: Minnows and perch is a huge one.
- 48:37SPEAKER_01: Perch is such a big, I've learned so much, especially with live scope, the uh how important perch are to every water body that we fish.
- 48:45SPEAKER_01: If they're in there, it is a hugely important bait fish, you know what I mean?
- 48:49SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, you might have perch this size and big perch, that'd be great, you know, for eating with that, but they have to start somewhere in those perch that are in that two, three inch range, oh my god, that is walleye candy, and they will love it.
- 49:02SPEAKER_01: And and uh on a smaller lakes, I like to match that hatch.
- 49:05SPEAKER_01: I like to use a little jig and a like a perch swim bait.
- 49:08SPEAKER_01: That's one of my favorites or something like that, or the Yosary crankbaits that have perch, you know, collars on that.
- 49:13SPEAKER_01: That's something I do like now.
- 49:14SPEAKER_01: You can catch them on the outlandish stuff, but I just like using that kind of natural stuff because you're fishing kind of more confined, more closed quarters.
- 49:22SPEAKER_01: You're not running the big waves, big water, you know, trolling patterns.
- 49:25SPEAKER_01: Still run, still run planer boards and all that kind of stuff, but uh if you're trolling, but you know, more natural stuff I like in these smaller eggs.
- 49:32SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
- 49:32SPEAKER_01: That might be just a even in the fall.
- 49:35SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even in the fall.
- 49:36SPEAKER_01: I do I don't mind that.
- 49:37SPEAKER_01: I like a nice perch pattern or something, you know, ish.
- 49:40SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe it might be it might be uh you go sure he's got acid perch, but he's still got the stripes, it looks like a perch, it's got some coloration too.
- 49:47SPEAKER_02: That's if you know for a fact that perch is the main forage at that time, right?
- 49:53SPEAKER_02: You might be in a lake that doesn't have like your lake might not even have perch, it's got perch, but it's not the main food source for these walleye.
- 49:59SPEAKER_01: So then you go to a gold or a silver or something like that would be a good choice, just something basic until you can get something going, right?
- 50:06SPEAKER_01: And the key on something we're while we're talking about this, if go through that whole gamut of colors you've got, because color can be so friggin' important, it's scary.
- 50:17SPEAKER_01: Even though it's bizarre, yeah, it might be the most important thing, right?
- 50:21SPEAKER_01: Why in the hell?
- 50:24SPEAKER_01: And you'll lend the day shaking your head, but you'll be happy as hell that you figured something out.
- 50:28SPEAKER_01: You're gonna say, Why?
- 50:29SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't care why.
- 50:30SPEAKER_01: I guess you know what?
- 50:31SPEAKER_01: I learned something today, put it in the vault, and then hopefully the next time out it works, or we'll have to do that again, sort of thing.
- 50:36SPEAKER_02: So the age old question is profile.
- 50:38SPEAKER_02: Which is more important?
- 50:40SPEAKER_02: Profile or the shape or color at that point.
- 50:43SPEAKER_02: And we're talking fall fishery.
- 50:44SPEAKER_02: That's what this is about, is fall fishery.
- 50:47SPEAKER_02: If you only had one of those that you could follow, which would it be?
- 50:52SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
- 50:52SPEAKER_01: Okay, if I could only take one, it would be that banana style.
- 50:57SPEAKER_01: Like if you look at the crystal crystal minnow uh deep ever walleye uh from Yosuri, it's that profile.
- 51:02SPEAKER_01: It's that's in the fall because they make it in three sizes.
- 51:06SPEAKER_01: They got a small, a medium, and a large.
- 51:08SPEAKER_01: So you've got your choice there.
- 51:09SPEAKER_01: So if you you know you can play around with size uh colors, but the sizes are making make a difference.
- 51:14SPEAKER_01: So I think that would be to me.
- 51:15SPEAKER_01: I love a shad pattern, I like a shad shape, but on that, I like that that bigger, wider wobble.
- 51:21SPEAKER_01: It's a slower wobble.
- 51:22SPEAKER_01: A shad usually has a tick tick tick tick tick like that, faster.
- 51:25SPEAKER_01: These other ones have a wider wobble because of that that lip on it.
- 51:28SPEAKER_01: So I think that wider wobble is kind of nice, it's slowish.
- 51:31SPEAKER_01: It gives the the walleye something, you know, kind of to hone in on.
- 51:34SPEAKER_01: A little trick I learned a long, long time ago from Tommy Gustav, one of my favorite walleye guys ever, because he put he taught me a lot of stuff, um, is to put on these long, slender minnow uh minnow type of crankbaits, put a piece of worm that big on that back, treble hook, and drag that in the fall.
- 51:54SPEAKER_01: And the water is in the 40s and all like that.
- 51:56SPEAKER_01: And I thought, you don't use worms, Tom, and then fall, what the hell are you doing?
- 51:59SPEAKER_01: And he's getting, oh, there's one on that one, Pete.
- 52:01SPEAKER_01: There's the worm one again.
- 52:03SPEAKER_02: Okay, so if you have uh worms available, it's almost a no-brainer though, really, especially for trolling, especially, because because these fish very seldom will just come out of nowhere and attack a bait.
- 52:15SPEAKER_02: They they'll tend to follow it a little bit.
- 52:18SPEAKER_02: And a lot of it.
- 52:20SPEAKER_02: A lot of it.
- 52:20SPEAKER_00: We see that with Live Scope now.
- 52:22SPEAKER_00: When you point it back, they follow for a while.
- 52:24SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
- 52:24SPEAKER_02: And and and and most of the time they will decide not to attack.
- 52:31SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 52:31SPEAKER_02: And I think the difference, the game changer, is that last that scent that absolutely drives them crazy and says, Oh, yeah, shit, I'm gonna eat it.
- 52:43SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
- 52:43SPEAKER_01: Sent from something that doesn't even exist in the water.
- 52:46SPEAKER_01: That's the weirdest part of it all.
- 52:47SPEAKER_01: Dean, you and I did it, eh?
- 52:48SPEAKER_01: At uh at Boshain.
- 52:50SPEAKER_01: We did that.
- 52:50SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was at Bouchain, yeah.
- 52:52SPEAKER_01: Because the fish were following.
- 52:53SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were following and they wouldn't take, wouldn't they?
- 52:55SPEAKER_01: Now that wasn't in the fall, that was in the summer, but still, you know, put it on and thump, they started eating it.
- 53:00SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting watching them.
- 53:02SPEAKER_00: It's kind of off topic, but when you're on Live Scope, you see that trolling isn't just that attack.
- 53:08SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of times the fish you'd pass over their heads and you'd see them come halfway up and then they'd turn around and then they'd start to chase it.
- 53:15SPEAKER_00: That's right.
- 53:16SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there it's a lot more like elaborate down there than you think it is.
- 53:19SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 53:20SPEAKER_02: And and the fish see your bait from a greater distance than you think they do, right?
- 53:25SPEAKER_02: That's the other thing to live scope is certainly topic.
- 53:27SPEAKER_01: But troll trolling is a very good tactic in the uh for walleye anytime, but in the fall, don't neglect trolling.
- 53:33SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you like, if you like jigging, we we do a lot of drifting too.
- 53:36SPEAKER_01: So it's either to me it's just drifting or trolling.
- 53:39SPEAKER_01: Now we're doing the sculpting thing too, but beforehand, for those that don't have that luxury, whatever, drifting and trolling, those those two things, movement, covering water, and then when you find the fish, you go back over them all the time.
- 53:50SPEAKER_01: Keep going back over them.
- 53:51SPEAKER_01: If you're catching them, do that trolling pass back there, a figure eight, get back there, do circles, whatever it takes.
- 53:55SPEAKER_01: If you're drifting, boom, boom, boom, catch.
- 53:57SPEAKER_01: Okay, there's nothing, go back up, wind, come back down, boom, boom, boom, mark your spot and and you know, go like do it like that.
- 54:02SPEAKER_01: But be consistent in that because these fish group up in the fall, especially.
- 54:06SPEAKER_02: And and they're grouping up for a reason, right?
- 54:08SPEAKER_02: They're they're they're they're doing the arc of things, they're surrounding uh their bait and they're gonna annihilate and you know, all the more reason.
- 54:14SPEAKER_02: Let's just quickly move to the hot topic, and that is we've been mentioning it now a couple times, live scope.
- 54:21SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 54:21SPEAKER_02: Um, man, if there was ever a time of year, and I know we say this about every season, but if there was ever a time of year where you can up your chances of finding, not necessarily catching, but certainly finding a game fish uh using live scope, it's in the fall.
- 54:38SPEAKER_02: And you're not looking for the predator fish, you're looking for food.
- 54:42SPEAKER_02: If you can find these these areas like humps and and and points, or even in open water where the bait has congregated in massive numbers and sizes, chances are real.
- 54:55SPEAKER_02: You don't have to go scoping around that bait ball to know whether there's food there or not.
- 55:00SPEAKER_02: You drift through it, you you troll through it, you try and stay connected with that bait ball for as long as you can, you'll get fish.
- 55:07SPEAKER_02: You'll get walleye in the fall.
- 55:09SPEAKER_02: There's no question about it if you're using um you know fish you'll get it.
- 55:13SPEAKER_01: Everything there's other pike will hang there too.
- 55:15SPEAKER_01: They've got all those bait balls like that.
- 55:17SPEAKER_01: Smallmouth will be there too.
- 55:18SPEAKER_01: Largemouth of it, depending on the situation, maybe not so much, but smallmouth pike and muskie for sure.
- 55:24SPEAKER_02: I remember back in our aquarium at Barclays when we had walleye in it.
- 55:29SPEAKER_02: They outperformed every other game fish that we had in that tank.
- 55:31SPEAKER_02: Of course.
- 55:32SPEAKER_02: Outperformed, meaning that they were always the first ones to get fed, bar none.
- 55:38SPEAKER_02: They were the fastest, they were the smartest, they were they knew where to set up, they knew they could tell by the sound of footsteps at the top of the tank that it was, you know, somebody was bringing food.
- 55:50SPEAKER_02: Like they were the most opportunistic feeder in that environment.
- 55:55SPEAKER_01: I agree because I saw it too.
- 55:57SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have never believed it.
- 55:58SPEAKER_01: We always thought walleye were lethargic.
- 56:00SPEAKER_01: And then they're you know, no way, man.
- 56:03SPEAKER_01: They are look at them like uh like a is it a jaguar or uh one of the ones that takes the Cayman crocodiles?
- 56:10SPEAKER_01: Probably a jaguar.
- 56:11SPEAKER_01: Jaguar, I would think.
- 56:12SPEAKER_01: They sit there and they just wait.
- 56:13SPEAKER_01: And they just wait.
- 56:14SPEAKER_01: But when it happens, poof! And that's what these walleye do.
- 56:17SPEAKER_01: They just sit there and they would just wait and they would waste zero energy where all the other fish are swimming around that tank, eh?
- 56:22SPEAKER_01: Those walleye, a lot of times you'd be just sitting there, just sitting there, and then Uncle Angelo comes with a bag of goldfish and look, like Bruce Lee down there.
- 56:30SPEAKER_01: That's friggin' fast show.
- 56:32SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
- 56:33SPEAKER_02: They were they were they are a wicked predator.
- 56:35SPEAKER_02: And you look at the other game fish and especially the bass, like what it was happening in front of it, and he'd just sit there, go, uh-uh- uh what the hell's going on here?
- 56:44SPEAKER_01: Who's that speedster?
- 56:46SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that's so true.
- 56:48SPEAKER_02: And and this time of year uh is is when we said before they are at their physical peak, physical and mental peak.
- 56:56SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's not a coincidence this that most good walleye anglers will tell you that the fall is the perfect time for a number, not just for getting a lot of fish, but for getting your personal best walleye.
- 57:09SPEAKER_02: If you put yourself in good walleye waters in the fall, um under ideal conditions, you have got a really good chance of getting the biggest walleye you've ever seen.
- 57:21SPEAKER_01: And remember too, if I I get everybody loves eating fish, but like uh we have the size limits, and they're they're just they're good.
- 57:30SPEAKER_01: I like what we have here, but on a again, we'll go back to the Bay of Quincy.
- 57:33SPEAKER_01: You're allowed one over 25 inches or and three under or four under 25 inches.
- 57:38SPEAKER_01: You know what?
- 57:39SPEAKER_01: Just keep if you're having a good day, keep those two and a half pounders, you know what I mean?
- 57:44SPEAKER_01: Up to three pounders.
- 57:45SPEAKER_01: You don't need to keep this walla of a lifetime.
- 57:48SPEAKER_01: Uh eight, nine, ten, or fifteen pound.
- 57:51SPEAKER_01: Like if you get a 15-pound walla, I get that fish should be mounted, but take your pictures really quickly and get it back in the water really quickly, and then get a replica done of it or something like that.
- 58:00SPEAKER_01: But there's no need to kill any giant fish anymore in this day and age, in my opinion.
- 58:05SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 58:06SPEAKER_01: Like that fish right there.
- 58:07SPEAKER_01: You uh I would cry if that fish was killed, you know what I mean?
- 58:10SPEAKER_02: So or or even if it does.
- 58:12SPEAKER_02: I think people are slowly well, not slowly.
- 58:14SPEAKER_02: It's moving pretty quickly.
- 58:15SPEAKER_02: They are moving, yeah.
- 58:16SPEAKER_02: I just want to remind them.
- 58:17SPEAKER_02: But every once in a while you get uh some old coots that I'm taking it at my limit, Peter.
- 58:23SPEAKER_02: And it is usually the old coots.
- 58:25SPEAKER_02: You know, it's not the young.
- 58:26SPEAKER_01: Well, I've argued.
- 58:26SPEAKER_01: I've had arguments with I know I've had arguments with the guys that I know are they have over the size limit, and they see it on the stringer, and I, hey, you're over the limit and all that thing, you know.
- 58:37SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call them gone, you know what I mean?
- 58:39SPEAKER_01: So you know they're doing it, but they don't throw the fish back.
- 58:42SPEAKER_01: They just uh yeah, it happens for sure.
- 58:44SPEAKER_01: The old coots.
- 58:45SPEAKER_02: Pretty exciting.
- 58:46SPEAKER_02: Uh speaking of walleye fall fishing walleye, pretty exciting trip we're about to embark on here in the next few weeks.
- 58:52SPEAKER_02: So we'll put everything we just said.
- 58:54SPEAKER_02: We need a copy of this podcast to bring with us, Dean, so we can replay it the night before we get in the water.
- 58:58SPEAKER_01: See how much water shit we did.
- 59:01SPEAKER_02: How many wrong answers we gave.
- 59:03SPEAKER_02: We are off to uh twin rivers, two rivers, two rivers, two rivers.
- 59:08SPEAKER_02: Twins, they could be the same.
- 59:09SPEAKER_02: North of Kenora.
- 59:10SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 59:11SPEAKER_02: It's a long way.
- 59:13SPEAKER_02: It's right off the Manitoba border, pretty much, right?
- 59:15SPEAKER_02: As far northwest as you can get.
- 59:17SPEAKER_02: The English River.
- 59:18SPEAKER_02: The English River.
- 59:19SPEAKER_01: So the English River system, and then and then in Dryden.
- 59:22SPEAKER_01: On the way back, we're stopping in Dryden as well.
- 59:23SPEAKER_01: So we start Wabago, yeah.
- 59:26SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 59:26SPEAKER_01: So that'll be an interesting one.
- 59:28SPEAKER_01: Two totally different fisheries, right?
- 59:30SPEAKER_01: Unlike you could get nothing farther apart that we're not too far apart.
- 59:33SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 59:34SPEAKER_01: And both in prime time.
- 59:35SPEAKER_02: Oh, I think so.
- 59:36SPEAKER_02: So there should be no excuses both in prime time.
- 59:40SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
- 59:41SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
- 59:42SPEAKER_02: And uh but I guess we'll uh we'll have to let you know on that one.
- 59:45SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is gonna be fun.
- 59:46SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be uh hopefully get our string pulled good uh on these two.
- 59:50SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
- 59:50SPEAKER_02: Anything we missed on this uh uh covering this fall walleye fishery thing?
- 59:55SPEAKER_02: I think we're in good shape.
- 59:57SPEAKER_00: The only thing I wanted to point out that he started the question by saying he puts his boat away at the end of September.
- 1:00:02SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 1:00:02SPEAKER_00: That has to change.
- 1:00:03SPEAKER_00: You gotta change that.
- 1:00:04SPEAKER_02: Yeah, especially depending on where you are in the you know, southern reaches of the province, more so than uh any place else the last few years.
- 1:00:11SPEAKER_02: Now, this year might be different because I'm hearing uh all kinds of uh I've heard that we're getting Snow Mageddon.
- 1:00:17SPEAKER_02: No, smoke snowmageddon this year.
- 1:00:18SPEAKER_02: Really, yeah?
- 1:00:19SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm hearing.
- 1:00:20SPEAKER_04: That's because we had such a great summer, apparently.
- 1:00:22SPEAKER_04: We're supposed to get a real nasty.
- 1:00:23SPEAKER_04: It rains every day, so yeah.
- 1:00:25SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's it'll be regardless.
- 1:00:28SPEAKER_01: Very English weather this last few years.
- 1:00:30SPEAKER_01: The guys that we know up north, they're still they're still fishing into November.
- 1:00:33SPEAKER_01: Yep.
- 1:00:34SPEAKER_01: Like uh up in Kenora, they're still, you know what I mean?
- 1:00:36SPEAKER_01: So uh and they they know when it's a good time of year to fish, and they're staying right until the ice because they know it's gonna be really good up there.
- 1:00:43SPEAKER_01: So they that again going back to the question, October for sure.
- 1:00:48SPEAKER_01: Keep your boat through if you're gonna get out and fish through October at least, please, because you're gonna you're gonna love it.
- 1:00:54SPEAKER_02: So we we said big water, small water.
- 1:00:56SPEAKER_02: Big water it's it's a no-brainer because those fish are on the move and they're on a mission and they've got a lot of water to cover, so they're eating along the way as much as they can because they need it to make it to their spawning grounds where they're going to you know lay eggs in uh early in the season.
- 1:01:14SPEAKER_02: In a small body of water where they're not making that mass migration, they put the feedback on for the same reason.
- 1:01:21SPEAKER_02: They're not moving as far, but they've got to start building up the resources to produce eggs and sperm for the males.
- 1:01:30SPEAKER_02: And uh it's it's just that perfect time of year for walleye and for any species, but mostly walleye, where they uh it's not optional, they don't have as many down days as they do during the summer period.
- 1:01:44SPEAKER_02: They are pretty active pretty much all fall.
- 1:01:46SPEAKER_02: And if you can find that location where there's food, that's the most important thing.
- 1:01:51SPEAKER_02: Find where there where there is a possibility of food.
- 1:01:55SPEAKER_02: You're gonna find active walleye.
- 1:01:57SPEAKER_02: Like next week or two weeks when we go, we're gonna find active walleye.
- 1:02:01SPEAKER_02: When we find their food source, they're gonna be hopping.
- 1:02:04SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, which will be a a change, a departure from this past season.
- 1:02:09SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
- 1:02:11SPEAKER_02: Anyways, that are it.
- 1:02:13SPEAKER_02: Um, any special codes that we needed uh anything?
- 1:02:17SPEAKER_02: I feel like we're achieving.
- 1:02:18SPEAKER_04: We're still between contests, okay, as far as I know.
- 1:02:21SPEAKER_04: Okay.
- 1:02:21SPEAKER_04: Um, do you know, do we have any more information on the special, special next one?
- 1:02:25SPEAKER_04: Or do we still want to keep that under wraps?
- 1:02:27SPEAKER_00: Surprisingly, just looking at the calendar, I have a feeling our next contest is going to be the Christmas one, which is set to be a monster.
- 1:02:34SPEAKER_00: So definitely keep an eye on it.
- 1:02:35SPEAKER_01: Sea monster, maybe?
- 1:02:36SPEAKER_01: It's a hand there, and I don't even know what it is you're giving away, but I like that so far.
- 1:02:43SPEAKER_00: So keep an eye for that because we are kind of transitioning to that ice mode for our contest.
- 1:02:47SPEAKER_00: So keep an eye out.
- 1:02:48SPEAKER_00: Hard to believe in that sorry that time of year.
- 1:02:51SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 1:02:51SPEAKER_01: I love this time of year, but I hate it.
- 1:02:53SPEAKER_01: I just know it's coming up.
- 1:02:55SPEAKER_01: But you guys talk about it.
- 1:02:56SPEAKER_04: Gentlemen, in two months, there will be snow outside.
- 1:03:00SPEAKER_01: No.
- 1:03:01SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but not much.
- 1:03:02SPEAKER_04: November?
- 1:03:03SPEAKER_01: It'll be snow.
- 1:03:04SPEAKER_01: Early November.
- 1:03:05SPEAKER_04: It'll be snow-ish.
- 1:03:06SPEAKER_04: It'll be snow.
- 1:03:07SPEAKER_04: What you know, what year did the Edmund Fitzgerald or what month did the Edmund Fitzgerald sink?
- 1:03:12SPEAKER_04: That's uh Lake Superior, buddy.
- 1:03:14SPEAKER_04: That's a way up, that's a way up to November by November.
- 1:03:17SPEAKER_02: Oh, the the the gales of November bye.
- 1:03:21SPEAKER_04: Right on.
- 1:03:22SPEAKER_02: She blew a gale.
- 1:03:23SPEAKER_02: She's blowing a gale.
- 1:03:24SPEAKER_02: Enough of that uh uh uh stuff.
- 1:03:26SPEAKER_02: Time to move on.
- 1:03:27SPEAKER_02: I said we were going to be done in the world.
- 1:03:29SPEAKER_02: Is it time to go home?
- 1:03:30SPEAKER_02: It's well, I'm not saying it's time to go home, but it's time to be done.
- 1:03:33SPEAKER_01: For you, Nick, it is.
- 1:03:34SPEAKER_02: On behalf of the uh entire uh crew, uh Mr.
- 1:03:38SPEAKER_02: Peter Bowman, Nikki V.
- 1:03:40SPEAKER_02: Dean Taylor, I'm Angela Bio.
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