Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / Richard Allen found guilty on all counts in Delphi double murder trial
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back for another deep dive. And today
- 0:03we're tackling a case that's been in the news a lot,
- 0:06the Delphi murders. It's a tough one for sure, but
- 0:09it's one that has so many layers to.
- 0:11Speaker 2: Unpack, absolutely, and it's a case that really captivated the nation.
- 0:15Back in twenty seventeen. We have two teenage girls, Abby
- 0:18Williams and Libby Jerman. They're out hiking in Delphi, Indiana,
- 0:21when they suddenly vanish.
- 0:23Speaker 1: Yeah, and tragically their bodies are found the next day.
- 0:26It's a story that just sends chills down your spine,
- 0:28it really does.
- 0:29Speaker 2: And what makes this case even more chilling is the
- 0:32evidence that was recovered from Libby's phone. There's this video
- 0:35that shows a man walking towards the girls on a bridge.
- 0:38He became known as bridge Guy.
- 0:40Speaker 1: Right, Bridge Guy. And there's even that unsettling audio clip
- 0:43where he says, guys down the hill is just so
- 0:45eerie it is.
- 0:46Speaker 2: And for years, that video and that audio haunted the
- 0:49community and really the whole nation. It was a mystery
- 0:51that seemed impossible to solve.
- 0:53Speaker 1: So we have this haunting video, a mysterious voice, and
- 0:56then five years past with no arrests. Then suddenly there's
- 0:58a break in the case. Yeah, and it came from
- 1:00a really unexpected source. A CVS clerk was digitizing old tips,
- 1:05you know, just doing their job, and they noticed something interesting.
- 1:08Speaker 2: Okay, what did they notice?
- 1:09Speaker 1: They noticed that Richard Allen, a local resident, had actually
- 1:13told police that he'd been on the same trail the
- 1:16very same day the girls disappeared.
- 1:18Speaker 2: Wow, he volunteered that information. That's incredible that it took
- 1:21so long for that to come to light, It really is.
- 1:24Speaker 1: It just goes to show you how even the tiniest
- 1:26detail can be crucial in an investigation. And this little detail, well,
- 1:31it led police to match an unspent bullet found at
- 1:34the crime scene to a gun that they later recovered
- 1:37from Allan's home.
- 1:38Speaker 2: So that unspent bullet becomes a major piece of the puzzle.
- 1:41Speaker 1: It does. It links Allan to the scene, and it
- 1:43becomes a corner stone of the prosecution's case.
- 1:45Speaker 2: But then things take another turn, right because Richard Allen
- 1:48confesses to the crime.
- 1:50Speaker 1: He does, and not just once. She confesses over sixty
- 1:52times to his wife, his mother, prison staff, even other inmates.
- 1:58Speaker 2: Okay, so he's confessing to the murders over and over again.
- 2:00You'd think at that point the case is closed, right,
- 2:02you would.
- 2:03Speaker 1: Think so, But there's a twist. The defense argued that
- 2:06Allan's confessions weren't reliable. They said that he was struggling
- 2:10with mental illness and that his confessions might have been
- 2:13coerced or influenced by his mental state.
- 2:15Speaker 2: So they're basically saying he wasn't in his right mind
- 2:17when he.
- 2:18Speaker 1: Confessed exactly, and there's documentation of his mental health struggles
- 2:22in prison. He was on suicide watch, exhibited erratic behavior,
- 2:26and was diagnosed with something called brief psychotic disorder.
- 2:30Speaker 2: Brief psychotic disorder, I'm not familiar with that, what does
- 2:33that mean?
- 2:33Speaker 1: So it's basically a sudden and temporary episode of psychosis,
- 2:36which can involve hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized thinking. It's like
- 2:41experiencing a break from reality.
- 2:43Speaker 2: That's intense. So the jury had to consider whether this diagnosis,
- 2:47this break from reality, made his confessions unreliable.
- 2:50Speaker 1: Right, and if so, how much weight should those confessions carry.
- 2:54It's a really tough question for any jury to grapple with.
- 2:56Speaker 2: It's a huge dilemma. You have these multiple confessions, but
- 2:59then you have this serious mental health diagnosis. It feels
- 3:02like a real moral and legal tug of war.
- 3:05Speaker 1: It is, And then there's another layer to this whole
- 3:07thing that we can't ignore.
- 3:09Speaker 2: You're talking about the lack of physical evidence connecting Alan
- 3:12directly to the crime scene.
- 3:13Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm talking about. No DNA evidence tied
- 3:17him to the girls, and there was no trace of
- 3:19their DNA found at his home.
- 3:20Speaker 2: That's a big deal. How do you reconcile that with
- 3:23all the confessions. It seems like a huge contradiction.
- 3:26Speaker 1: It's a detail that makes you really question everything, Right,
- 3:29Why would someone confess so many times if there's no
- 3:32physical evidence linking them to the scene. Was he genuinely confessing?
- 3:37Was it some kind of cry for help or something else? Entirely,
- 3:42it's a puzzle, It.
- 3:43Speaker 2: Really is a puzzle. And it's at this point that
- 3:45the case takes yet another turn. We start to delve
- 3:47deeper into the evidence surrounding Bridge Guy and that chilling video.
- 3:52Speaker 1: Right, the prosecution brought in a voice recognition expert to
- 3:56analyze the audio from.
- 3:57Speaker 2: The video and what did their analysis you There, analysis
- 4:00suggested that Allen's voice was a match to the voice.
- 4:03Speaker 1: In the video.
- 4:04Speaker 2: So they're saying it's him on the video.
- 4:05Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. But there's a catch. Voice recognition
- 4:10technology isn't fool proof, you know, It's not like a fingerprint.
- 4:13There's room for error.
- 4:15Speaker 2: So the defense jumps on that, right. They questioned the
- 4:17reliability of the voice analysis.
- 4:19Speaker 1: We absolutely did. They argued that it wasn't conclusive proof.
- 4:23Then there's that unspent bullet again. Remember that the prosecution
- 4:28presented it as a key piece of evidence, arguing that
- 4:31it directly connected Alan to the murders.
- 4:33Speaker 2: But the defense countered that argument, didn't they They did.
- 4:36Speaker 1: They said that there weren't enough photographs of the bullet
- 4:39to prove beyond a doubt that it came from Allan's gun.
- 4:41They even suggested that it could have belonged to law enforcement.
- 4:44Speaker 2: So we're left with this really complicated situation. We have confessions,
- 4:49a mental health diagnosis, a questionable voice analysis, and a
- 4:53bullet that's shrouded in uncertainty. It's a lot to untangle
- 4:57it is.
- 4:57Speaker 1: It's a tangled web of evidence, and it leaves a
- 5:00with more questions than answers.
- 5:01Speaker 2: It's enough to make your head spin. So where do
- 5:04we go from here? What's the next chapter in this
- 5:05gripping story.
- 5:07Speaker 1: Well, after weeks of testimony and deliberation, the jury finally
- 5:10reached a verdict, and that verdict was guilty on all accounts.
- 5:13Speaker 2: Guilty on all counts. Wow, that must have been a
- 5:16heavy moment in the courtroom, just the weight of that verdict.
- 5:19Speaker 1: It was, and you could really sense the relief in
- 5:22the community. After five years of living with this case
- 5:25hanging over them, there was finally a sense of closure.
- 5:29But it was definitely a bittersweet victory, especially for the
- 5:32families of Abby and Libby.
- 5:33Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's impossible to truly grasp the pain and grief
- 5:37they've gone through. This whole case has been like riding
- 5:39a roller coaster, so many twists and turns. It really
- 5:43shows you just how complicated the justice system can be.
- 5:46Speaker 1: It does, and it forces us to think critically about
- 5:48how confessions are used in a trial, especially when you
- 5:51factor in mental.
- 5:52Speaker 2: Health exactly like we were talking about earlier. How do
- 5:55you even begin to assess the validity of a confession
- 5:57when the person confessing have a history of mental health struggles.
- 6:00It's a question with no easy answers.
- 6:02Speaker 1: No easy answers at all. And this case also shines
- 6:05a light on how much we rely on technology now
- 6:08in investigations, things like voice recognition software.
- 6:12Speaker 2: Right, which sounds super high tech and advanced.
- 6:14Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, but it's important to remember that it's
- 6:16not perfect. Like, it's not one hundred percent guaranteed identifications, not.
- 6:22Speaker 2: A magic bullet.
- 6:23Speaker 1: Nope, not at all. And that's exactly what the defense argued.
- 6:26They really went after the reliability of that voice analysis.
- 6:29Speaker 2: And then you have the whole issue of the lack
- 6:31of DNA evidence, no DNA connecting Allan to the girls,
- 6:34and no trace of their DNA founded his home. Yet
- 6:37he confessed over and over again. How do you make
- 6:40sense of that.
- 6:41Speaker 1: It's one of the big mysteries of this case, right,
- 6:43Why confess if there's no physical evidence? Was it a
- 6:46genuine confession? Was it something else? It's a question that lingers.
- 6:50Speaker 2: Yea, it really does. So we're trying to piece together
- 6:52this puzzle. We have the confessions, the mental health diagnosis,
- 6:56the voice analysis that may or may not be accurate,
- 6:58and then that unspent bullet, right.
- 7:00Speaker 1: That unspent bullet, which the prosecution presented this crucial link
- 7:04between Allen and the crime scene.
- 7:05Speaker 2: But the defense had a different interpretation of that evidence, right, Oh.
- 7:08Speaker 1: They definitely did. They argued that they're just want enough
- 7:11pictures taken of that bullet to definitively say it came
- 7:15from Alan's gun. They even suggested it could have belonged
- 7:18to someone in law enforcement.
- 7:20Speaker 2: So it's a tangled web of evidence and it leaves
- 7:22us with more questions than answers.
- 7:24Speaker 1: It does, and it makes you wonder what really convinced
- 7:27the jury, what tipped the scales in their minds. Was
- 7:31it purely the number of confessions or something else.
- 7:35Speaker 2: It's like having a puzzle with some pieces missing. You
- 7:38have all this information, but there are still gaps in
- 7:40the story, and.
- 7:42Speaker 1: That's what makes this case so fascinating, right. It challenges
- 7:45you to think critically, to look at the evidence from
- 7:47different angles and try to understand how the jury reached
- 7:50their decision.
- 7:51Speaker 2: It really does highlight how seemingly small details can have
- 7:54a huge ripple effect. Like if that CVS clerk hadn't
- 7:57been so diligent in reviewing those old tips, who knows
- 8:01how much longer this case would have gone unsolved.
- 8:03Speaker 1: It's true It shows how important it is to pay
- 8:05attention to the details, even the ones that seem insignificant
- 8:08at first.
- 8:09Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now there was something else I wanted to ask
- 8:11you about. The defense try to introduce something called the
- 8:15Odinism defense. What was that all about?
- 8:18Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting. Odinism is a branch of Norse paganism,
- 8:24and the defense basically theorized that followers of this religion
- 8:28might have been involved in the murders. They even hinted
- 8:32at possible connections to white supremacist groups.
- 8:34Speaker 2: Wow, that's a pretty unexpected angle. Did they have any
- 8:37evidence to back up that theory?
- 8:39Speaker 1: They didn't, and the judge ended up dismissing their motions
- 8:43to even bring it up in court, ruling that it
- 8:45wasn't relevant to the case.
- 8:47Speaker 2: It sounds like they were grasping its.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Straws maybe, but it does raise an interesting point about
- 8:51the kind of evidence that's admissible in the trial. The
- 8:54focus should always be on the facts, on tangible evidence,
- 8:57not on theories or speculation.
- 8:58Speaker 2: Right, It's about finding justice, not chasing shadows exactly.
- 9:02Speaker 1: And even though the verdict brings some sense of closure
- 9:04for the Delphi community, there's still unanswered questions what motivated
- 9:08Richard Allen to do this. We may never fully understand
- 9:11the why behind his actions.
- 9:13Speaker 2: And if there wasn't any DNA evidence directly linking him
- 9:16to the scene, what exactly convinced the jury that he
- 9:19was guilty? What was the tipping point for them? These
- 9:22are questions that may never have definitive answers.
- 9:25Speaker 1: And that's what makes this case and cases like it
- 9:28so thought provoking. They force us to confront complex issues,
- 9:32to really examine the evidence, and to come to our
- 9:34own conclusions.
- 9:35Speaker 2: This has been a heavy, deep dive, that's for sure,
- 9:37but it's also shed light on a case that's had
- 9:39a grip on the nation for years. The Delphi murders
- 9:43are a stark reminder of how fragile life is and
- 9:45how important it is to keep seeking justice even in
- 9:48the face of tragedy.
- 9:49Speaker 1: This case also makes you think about the impact something
- 9:52like this has on a community. The fear, the suspicion,
- 9:55the constant wondering. The verdict brings closure in a way,
- 9:58but it also marks the start of a long healing
- 10:00process for everyone involved.
- 10:02Speaker 2: It makes you realize how connected we all are. A
- 10:04crime like this doesn't just affect the victims and their families.
- 10:07It ripples outward, impacting the whole community and even the
- 10:10whole country.
- 10:11Speaker 1: And it reminds us how important compassion and understanding are
- 10:15not just for the victims, but for everyone who's been
- 10:18touched by this tragedy.
- 10:19Speaker 2: So, as we wrap up this deep dive into the
- 10:21Delphi murders, what are the key takeaways you hope our
- 10:24listeners will walk away with.
- 10:26Speaker 1: I think it's crucial to remember that every case is
- 10:28different and there are always multiple layers to peel back.
- 10:32We've seen how powerful confessions can be, but also how
- 10:34tricky they become when mental health is part of the equation.
- 10:37We've explored how technology is being used in investigations and
- 10:41how important it is to scrutinize every single piece of evidence,
- 10:44no matter how small it seems.
- 10:46Speaker 2: I agree, and for me, one of the most striking
- 10:49things about this case is the absence of DNA evidence.
- 10:52It really underscores how vital a thorough investigation is and
- 10:56how important it is to consider all the.
- 10:58Speaker 1: Angles absolutely, and it reinforces the fact that justice isn't
- 11:01always a straight line. It's often a winding road with
- 11:04unexpected detours, but in the end, it's about searching for
- 11:07the truth, holding people accountable, and working towards a world
- 11:10where everyone is safer.
- 11:11Speaker 2: Well said, and to our listeners, we encourage you to
- 11:14keep digging into this case, read the articles, listen to
- 11:17other podcasts, form your own opinions. This case brings up
- 11:21so many important questions about the justice system, the role
- 11:24of technology, and the complexities of mental health.
- 11:26Speaker 1: It does, and as you learn more, ask yourself what
- 11:30evidence would you find most convincing, what factors would sway
- 11:33your opinion. Engaging with these questions helps us become more
- 11:37informed and helps us better understand the world around us.
- 11:40Speaker 2: This deep dive has been quite a journey. We've delved
- 11:42into the darkest parts of human behavior, wrestled with the
- 11:45intricacies of the legal system, and witnessed the strength of
- 11:49a community fighting for justice.
- 11:50Speaker 1: It's been a reminder that even in the face of
- 11:52immense tragedy, there's still hope and healing, and that pursuing
- 11:56truth and justice is a journey worth taking, no matter
- 11:59how challenging it may be.
- 12:01Speaker 2: Those are powerful words, and on that note, I think
- 12:03it's time to wrap up our deep dive into the
- 12:05Delphi murders.
- 12:06Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us. We'll be back soon
- 12:09with another deep dive into a new and captivating topic.
- 12:13Until then, keep those minds curious.
- 12:15Speaker 2: Yeah, it really has been, and it makes you think
- 12:18about how we handle cases where mental health is a factor.
- 12:21Speaker 1: That's so true. It's such a tough issue to navigate.
- 12:24How do you balance holding someone accountable for their actions
- 12:27with making sure they get the help they need if
- 12:29they're struggling with mental illness exactly.
- 12:31Speaker 2: It's a conversation that we need to be having more
- 12:33openly and honestly, there are no simple solutions, but cases
- 12:38like this one force us to confront these really difficult
- 12:41questions they do.
- 12:43Speaker 1: This deep dive has taken us on quite a journey.
- 12:45We started with a shock of those murders and the
- 12:47long wait for answers, and then the arrest and finally
- 12:50the conviction of Richard Allen.
- 12:51Speaker 2: It really has been a journey. It's been fascinating to
- 12:53look at how forensic science works and how human psychology
- 12:56plays into all of this, and how evidence is weighed
- 12:59in court.
- 13:00Speaker 1: We've seen how confessions can be powerful, but also how
- 13:02they could be complicated by mental health issues. We've looked
- 13:05at the role of technology and investigations and how crucial
- 13:08it is to examine every piece of evidence. And throughout
- 13:11this whole case, we've seen a community that was determined
- 13:13to find justice and the incredible efforts of law enforcement
- 13:17to bring the person responsible to account.
- 13:20Speaker 2: The Delphi murders are a tragic reminder that there's darkness
- 13:23in the world, but they also show us the resilience
- 13:26of the human spirit. Even in the face of tragedy,
- 13:30people can come together and seek justice.
- 13:32Speaker 1: And as we wrap up this deep dive, we want
- 13:35to encourage everyone to keep learning about this case, keep
- 13:38asking questions and thinking critically about the issues it raises.
- 13:41Speaker 2: Have those tough conversations, because understanding cases like this helps
- 13:45us learn and grow. It helps us understand the world
- 13:47around us better and work towards making it a safer
- 13:50and more just place for everyone.
- 13:52Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on this journey into the Delphi murders.
- 13:55We'll be back soon with another deep dive into a
- 13:57fascinating topic.
- 13:58Speaker 2: See you then until next time, Stay curious, everyone,