Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / SPACE RIDDLE: Space Scientist Incinerated, UFO Whistleblower Found Dead, Toll Rises to 14

Transcript

SPACE RIDDLE: Space Scientist Incinerated, UFO Whistleblower Found Dead, Toll Rises to 14 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

0:00
Speaker 1: Space Riddle, a space scientist incinerated in his tesla as
0:06
Speaker 1: a UFO whistleblower found dead tonight the toll rising too fourteen.
0:14
Speaker 1: Good evening, I means he grace, this is Crime Stories.
0:16
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
0:25
Speaker 2: A number of them have gone missing with the same circumstances,
0:29
Speaker 2: leaving Apple watch and phone behind.
0:33
Speaker 3: He's literally a walking hard drive of highly classified information.
0:38
Speaker 3: So the FUI is going to be very, very interested
0:41
Speaker 3: in determining what exactly has happened to him.
0:44
Speaker 1: How can these not be connected? How does a young scientist,
0:50
Speaker 1: without telling family or friends, decide he's going on a trip,
0:54
Speaker 1: get into his tesla without his wallet or iPhone Like
1:00
Speaker 1: so many of the other missing or dead scientists, leaving
1:03
Speaker 1: home on foot, leaving behind all id wallets, cell phones,
1:10
Speaker 1: tracking devices, any sort of identification that links them to
1:14
Speaker 1: the military or to their research. This young scientist, Joshua
1:20
Speaker 1: le Blank, leaves home and suddenly crashes into a guard
1:25
Speaker 1: rail and both he and his vehicle are totally incinerated.
1:31
Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel, but first straight out
1:34
Speaker 1: to Stephanie Harlow, co hosts Crime Weekly, and you can
1:38
Speaker 1: find her at Stephanie Harlow Stephanie, thank you for being
1:41
Speaker 1: with us tonight. What happened to Joshua LeBlanc? First of all,
1:45
Speaker 1: tell me about him? What was he studying? Let me
1:49
Speaker 1: guess anti gravity? Jet propulsion?
1:51
Speaker 4: What, yes, jeff propulsion. He lived and worked in Hauntsville.
1:56
Speaker 5: Alabama, which is kind of the appicenter of a lot
1:59
Speaker 5: of these missing people, including doctor Ning Lee who was
2:02
Speaker 5: missing for a while but ended up being killed, and
2:05
Speaker 5: also Amy Askridge.
2:07
Speaker 4: The University of Huntsville is very, very focused.
2:10
Speaker 5: On NASA jet propulsion anti gravity research. That the epicenter
2:16
Speaker 5: of where all that stuff is happening. But he did
2:18
Speaker 5: work with some pretty high security clearance.
2:21
Speaker 1: Very quickly, I want to go to John Nance, former
2:25
Speaker 1: Supervisory Special Agent FBI assigned to DC and Miami. Got
2:33
Speaker 1: a question for you, John Nance, explain the significance of
2:38
Speaker 1: anti gravity research as a layperson. The best way I
2:42
Speaker 1: can describe it is, we obey the laws of gravity,
2:49
Speaker 1: we understand them. Anti gravity research as it relates to
2:54
Speaker 1: aircraft of any type, means that an aircraft could go
3:00
Speaker 1: down to the side tangential anyway it wished, and at
3:06
Speaker 1: speeds unlike anything we understand. So how valuable is it?
3:12
Speaker 1: Did I capsualize it correctly?
3:16
Speaker 3: Well, when you're talking about anti gravity or field propulsion systems,
3:20
Speaker 3: you're not really talking about pushing a craft through space.
3:24
Speaker 3: You're talking about actually moving space and time around a craft.
3:30
Speaker 3: So a bubble is created. And I don't know exactly
3:34
Speaker 3: how that. I'm sure there are other people that could
3:35
Speaker 3: address that up in much more technical terms than I can,
3:38
Speaker 3: but essentially, a space time bubble is created around the
3:42
Speaker 3: craft if such technology is actually available, and so you're
3:47
Speaker 3: actually moving warping space and time around the craft. That's
3:54
Speaker 3: why they appear to move in ways that are completely
3:57
Speaker 3: alien to our understanding of physics or at least material
4:04
Speaker 3: science anyway. I think our physics can explain it, but
4:07
Speaker 3: our material science is in no way capable at this
4:10
Speaker 3: point of producing those that kind of performance. So I
4:16
Speaker 3: think generally speaking, yes, you're correct, but it's not the
4:22
Speaker 3: normal way of thinking about. Like a jet engine works
4:26
Speaker 3: by sucking in air, producing thrust and blowing that out
4:29
Speaker 3: the back of an engine. That is not what we're.
4:32
Speaker 1: Talking about exactly. Anti gravity craft is, I understand it.
4:37
Speaker 1: Highly advanced aerospace vehicles designed and they manipulate gravity fields
4:44
Speaker 1: for propulsion The most cited example is the t R
4:50
Speaker 1: thirty eight Black Manta. It's rumored to be a triangular
4:56
Speaker 1: nuclear powered spyplane using accelerated pressurized mercury, and it creates
5:04
Speaker 1: a plasma based anti gravity field around it. Just as
5:10
Speaker 1: John Nance was describing, it's beyond what US regular trial
5:16
Speaker 1: lawyers are used to discussing. But needless to say, back
5:21
Speaker 1: to Stephanie Harlow, co hostar of Crime Weekly, it's incredibly
5:28
Speaker 1: valuable not just to our defense but financially to our government,
5:35
Speaker 1: to whatever private entity or corporation ultimately develops it. And
5:41
Speaker 1: there's high interest in foreign entities regarding US research and
5:47
Speaker 1: anti gravity. Now I've gone a little far afield, but
5:51
Speaker 1: that said Stephanie Harlow, that is what Joshua LeBlanc was studying.
5:58
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, if you could learn how to manipulate gravity,
6:00
Speaker 5: even in a small way, it would change the game
6:02
Speaker 5: completely for everything. It would change everything architecture, travel, military
6:08
Speaker 5: weapons obviously, and the privatized business fields like Tesla, SpaceX,
6:15
Speaker 5: Blue Origin. But Joshua LeBlanc was studying propulsion. They're always
6:19
Speaker 5: trying to study a different way of.
6:21
Speaker 4: Propulsion because most of.
6:24
Speaker 5: A jet or a plane or a rocket that goes
6:26
Speaker 5: into space is eighty five percent fuel. So if you
6:28
Speaker 5: could figure out a way to reduce that fuel payload,
6:31
Speaker 5: then obviously you could go further, you could go faster.
6:35
Speaker 5: So they have a lot of people at NASA and
6:37
Speaker 5: the Jet Propulsion Lab and all over the military and
6:41
Speaker 5: government trying to figure out how to manipulate gravity and
6:44
Speaker 5: find a better way of propulsion.
6:47
Speaker 1: That said Stephanie Harwell, we have a NASA nuclear engineer
6:51
Speaker 1: burned beyond recognition in his tesla. What happened that morning?
6:59
Speaker 5: So Bloc left his house pretty early, and like a
7:02
Speaker 5: lot of the other scientists on this list that we're
7:04
Speaker 5: talking about, he left his wallet behind, he left his
7:07
Speaker 5: phone behind, and then he drove his Tesla to the
7:11
Speaker 5: Huntsville Airport, which was about fifteen minutes away from his home,
7:14
Speaker 5: and that's where it sat for four hours before he
7:17
Speaker 5: started driving about another two hours and then randomly, for
7:21
Speaker 5: no reason that we can figure out, crashed his Tesla
7:25
Speaker 5: directly into a guard rail. The car caught on flames,
7:29
Speaker 5: and by the time they got there, they said the
7:31
Speaker 5: car was incinerated and the body inside of it was unrecognizable.
7:35
Speaker 5: And Joshua LeBlanc's family they want Tesla to give them
7:40
Speaker 5: video because the Tesla has video, especially if there's a
7:43
Speaker 5: crash that deplays the airbags, where they will take short video,
7:46
Speaker 5: but they don't store them in the cloud.
7:49
Speaker 4: They're usually in the USB that's kept in the Tesla.
7:51
Speaker 5: If the car was burned beyond recognition, that's obviously destroyed,
7:55
Speaker 5: but Tesla would still have a way to retrieve that video.
7:58
Speaker 5: Joshua LeBlanc's family does not think that he did this
8:01
Speaker 5: on his own, and nisuspectfile play.
8:03
Speaker 1: As due I NASA nuclear engineer Joshua LeBlanc nearly thirty
8:11
Speaker 1: just twenty nine, in the midst of highly sensitive research,
8:15
Speaker 1: burned beyond recognition in the wreckage of his Tesla Model
8:20
Speaker 1: three there near the Space Center in Hudsville, Alabama. Family
8:26
Speaker 1: report him missing four thirty two a m. That day.
8:31
Speaker 1: It wasn't until two forty five pm his car was found.
8:37
Speaker 1: I find it very concerning. Let me understand this, Stephanie Harlowe,
8:42
Speaker 1: that he drove without his wallet or ID or driver's
8:47
Speaker 1: license or cell phone to the airport and sat there
8:52
Speaker 1: for hours or at least his heart good. Did he
8:55
Speaker 1: meet anyone? Why did he just sit in a parking
8:57
Speaker 1: lot for hours.
9:00
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
9:01
Speaker 5: I think that's what his family wants to know as well,
9:03
Speaker 5: because Joshua didn't show up for work that morning, and
9:05
Speaker 5: that was very unlike him. He was good at his job.
9:08
Speaker 5: He was having a very advanced career, especially for his age.
9:11
Speaker 5: He was brilliant. He talked to his family and friends
9:13
Speaker 5: every single night online. They've gained together, they talked together.
9:17
Speaker 5: This was not a person who any of what he
9:20
Speaker 5: did that day made sense. And I think that it's
9:23
Speaker 5: important to understand that there have been and there are
9:27
Speaker 5: verifiable CIA document leaks called Vault seven that wiki leaks
9:33
Speaker 5: published years ago, and in those document leaks, it shows
9:37
Speaker 5: that the CIA is exploring how to remotely hijacked vehicles
9:42
Speaker 5: to undertake what they have said, in their words, not
9:46
Speaker 5: mine nearly undetectable assassinations. So when you see something like
9:50
Speaker 5: this what happened to Joshua LeBlanc, I think your brain
9:53
Speaker 5: goes there.
9:53
Speaker 4: I know Min did immediately.
9:55
Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter. Is
10:00
Speaker 1: it true that it took three days to identify his body?
10:07
Speaker 6: It did, Nancy. His body was brought to the Alabama
10:10
Speaker 6: Department of Forensic Sciences, but even with everything at their disposal,
10:14
Speaker 6: it took three full days to positively identify LeBlanc.
10:20
Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. Doctor
10:23
Speaker 1: Crowns is the chief medical Examiner, not a medical examiner,
10:28
Speaker 1: the chief medical examiner at Terrance County, that's Fort Worth, Texas.
10:32
Speaker 1: He is a star of a hit podcast, Mayhem and
10:36
Speaker 1: the Morgue. More importantly, he is an esteemed lecturer at
10:41
Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has performed
10:45
Speaker 1: literally over ten thousand medical autopsies. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank
10:51
Speaker 1: you for being with us tonight, Doctor Crowns. Why three
10:55
Speaker 1: days to identify his body? I mean they can you.
11:00
Speaker 1: It was his Tesla number one. The family reported him missing.
11:06
Speaker 1: Why did it take three days to figure out it's him?
11:11
Speaker 2: Well, actually three days is a little surprising to me
11:14
Speaker 2: because I would think it would take even longer if
11:17
Speaker 2: a body's burned beyond recognition, meaning that the facial skin
11:21
Speaker 2: has been burned away all the way to the bone.
11:24
Speaker 2: You have to do techniques to figure out who they are,
11:27
Speaker 2: and one of them is dental records. So they have
11:30
Speaker 2: a presumptive ID. They kind of know who he is.
11:32
Speaker 2: They get his dental records and do a comparison. Three
11:35
Speaker 2: days is to me an actually quick turnaround time, So
11:39
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised it took that long, but they are
11:42
Speaker 2: going to have to do techniques that are going to
11:44
Speaker 2: take a little longer because he's burned beyond recognition.
11:49
Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Kendall Crowns, I know I'm waiting into dangerous
11:52
Speaker 1: territory here arguing with the chief medical examiner in the
11:56
Speaker 1: metropolitan area. But how hard is it to get dental records?
12:00
Speaker 1: The family says, that's his car, he's missing dental records.
12:05
Speaker 1: That should take a couple of hours.
12:09
Speaker 2: Well, it isn't a couple hours. You have to call
12:11
Speaker 2: the dentists, they have to get the records, they have
12:13
Speaker 2: to bring them to the medical examiner's office. So you're
12:15
Speaker 2: looking at least a day or two.
12:17
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa. You do know about email, right, You
12:21
Speaker 1: don't have to get in your on your horse and
12:23
Speaker 1: buggy and go over to the medical examers. You hit
12:26
Speaker 1: one button and send it. Okay, So that takes five minutes.
12:31
Speaker 1: The family says, that's his vehicle, he's missing here's his dentist.
12:36
Speaker 1: I still don't get what you're saying. Are you saying
12:39
Speaker 1: the teeth were incinerated too.
12:41
Speaker 2: The teeth can be incinerated in cases to the point
12:44
Speaker 2: that they'll crush when you move the body. But let's
12:48
Speaker 2: say you get the email in a day, and then
12:50
Speaker 2: you have to have a dental professional review the case.
12:54
Speaker 2: It isn't something where the medical examiner can pull up
12:57
Speaker 2: the dental X rays and make the comparison. You have
12:59
Speaker 2: to get a dental professional of forensic dentists to then
13:03
Speaker 2: make the comparison, and they may not be available that day,
13:07
Speaker 2: it might take them a little while to come in.
13:09
Speaker 2: So again, three days, that's pretty impressive for someone that's
13:12
Speaker 2: been burned beyond recognition. Just because it's his car, you
13:16
Speaker 2: don't know if it's him driving it. You have to
13:18
Speaker 2: make sure and do your due diligence to make sure
13:20
Speaker 2: you got the right body and to make the decision
13:23
Speaker 2: and to make the identification.
13:25
Speaker 1: I am not suggesting that any one cut corners in
13:28
Speaker 1: the idea of a dead body at all. I'm saying
13:32
Speaker 1: that with the family saying he's missing, that's his car,
13:35
Speaker 1: there's a dead body in there, they can't get his
13:38
Speaker 1: dental records like that, you know, instant email or even text.
13:44
Speaker 1: But what you're saying regarding bringing in a dent a
13:48
Speaker 1: forensic dental specialist, that suddenly makes sense to me. Another
13:53
Speaker 1: issue out to special guests joining us Frank Milburn, former
13:58
Speaker 1: British Intelligence Office, who knew another dead scientist very well,
14:03
Speaker 1: Amy Escridge. I find this also incredibly interesting. A tesla,
14:10
Speaker 1: as you know, very rarely burst into flames. It's an
14:14
Speaker 1: electric vehicle less likely to burst into flames compared to
14:18
Speaker 1: gas vehicles, which burst into flames sixty times more than electrics.
14:24
Speaker 1: And I also find it interesting that when Joshua le
14:28
Speaker 1: Blank's parents were told about this, at first they thought
14:32
Speaker 1: he had been abducted when he went missing. He was
14:36
Speaker 1: so reliable and so regular. You know those people that
14:40
Speaker 1: never miss work ever, they're there when you get there,
14:44
Speaker 1: making the coffee them. That's Joshua LeBlanc. When they found
14:49
Speaker 1: out that he did not report to work, they could
14:52
Speaker 1: not hear from him. They reported him missing at four
14:56
Speaker 1: point thirty in the morning. I find that very very probative.
15:02
Speaker 1: That would be like the camera coming to me and
15:05
Speaker 1: I'm not here. That never happens that has never happened.
15:09
Speaker 1: See where I'm going with this, Frank.
15:12
Speaker 7: Yes, when you have something that runs contrary to a
15:16
Speaker 7: subject of individuals, set of established patterns of life, something
15:21
Speaker 7: that really stands out that is contrary to what they
15:23
Speaker 7: normally do, the way that they normally behave, the way
15:24
Speaker 7: they normally live, the places they normally go to, Yes,
15:27
Speaker 7: that would be deeply suspicious. But the issue of the vehicle,
15:30
Speaker 7: I can't speculate as to the cause of it. What
15:33
Speaker 7: I can say is that vehicular tampering sabotage is something
15:37
Speaker 7: that Amy Escridge experienced a lot many times, and after
15:41
Speaker 7: she died, other scientists came forward to me anonymously saying
15:45
Speaker 7: that their vehicles have been tampered with as well as
15:47
Speaker 7: in breaks to make the vehicle effectively dangerous for them
15:51
Speaker 7: to drive.
15:53
Speaker 1: Let me see Frank Milburne please, former British intelligence officer
15:57
Speaker 1: who knew scientists Amy Eskridge very well, who said point blank,
16:03
Speaker 1: if I am found dead, I did not and would
16:07
Speaker 1: never commit suicide. So, Frank, I've had those words from
16:12
Speaker 1: murder victims before, typically in domestic homicide cases, where they
16:17
Speaker 1: would tell their friends, Hey, if I'm ever found dead,
16:20
Speaker 1: He did it. I just know that. So I find
16:23
Speaker 1: it very disturbing that she said that repeatedly, and tonight
16:28
Speaker 1: we're playing some of her recordings, yet seemingly no one
16:33
Speaker 1: is taking her self inflicted gunshot wound seriously. But back
16:38
Speaker 1: to Joshua Leblank, I'm going to circle back Frank with
16:41
Speaker 1: you and those recordings. Doctor Kendall Crown. So, assuming that
16:46
Speaker 1: the comparison was made in the body ID'D through dental records,
16:52
Speaker 1: how does that happen? And do you lose all of
16:55
Speaker 1: your DNA in and incineration of that sort.
17:01
Speaker 2: So let's start with how the DNA or the dental
17:04
Speaker 2: records are compared. We will take the body at the
17:08
Speaker 2: time of autopsy and do a full dental X ray.
17:11
Speaker 2: We usually have the equipment to do that, and then
17:13
Speaker 2: those are given to the dentists to make a comparison.
17:16
Speaker 2: They usually look at fillings. If there's no fillings, they'll
17:20
Speaker 2: get root structures of the teeth and pulp cavities to
17:23
Speaker 2: make that identification. And then can a persons be incinerated
17:28
Speaker 2: to the point that there's no DNA? Yes, if you
17:30
Speaker 2: get the temperature high enough for a long period of
17:33
Speaker 2: time over a thousand degrees, you basically will cremate the
17:36
Speaker 2: body and destroy all the DNA. And these tesla fires,
17:40
Speaker 2: the problem is is they're hard to put out because
17:42
Speaker 2: those lithium batteries keep burning and the firefighters need to
17:45
Speaker 2: use special techniques to put them out, so they're a
17:49
Speaker 2: very long period of time that they're burning. So it's
17:51
Speaker 2: potential he could have been burned to the point that
17:53
Speaker 2: there's no DNA, but he has to have been turned
17:56
Speaker 2: to ash at that point. So if there's still parts
17:59
Speaker 2: still the body left, usually the bone marrow is still
18:03
Speaker 2: intact because it's pretty insulated by the fat and muscle
18:08
Speaker 2: and all that, so you could still get DNA from them.
18:10
Speaker 2: If there's a tooth still left, you can still get DNA.
18:14
Speaker 2: But if they get burned completely the ash, of course
18:16
Speaker 2: there's no DNA left.
18:18
Speaker 1: Take a look at him with the vehicle. That's the
18:20
Speaker 1: tesla getting charged. So discussing the lithium batteries, that's a
18:27
Speaker 1: double edged sword right there, because yes, doctor Kendle Crowns,
18:33
Speaker 1: you're right about the immediate fire when the lithium batteries blow,
18:40
Speaker 1: But then there's also the statistic that that hardly ever
18:45
Speaker 1: happens with a Tesla doesn't just burst into flames as
18:49
Speaker 1: opposed to gas powered vehicles. What do you make of that,
18:54
Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns.
18:55
Speaker 2: Well, that's correct, but I believe he hits something with
18:58
Speaker 2: his car and that could put the litium battery in
19:01
Speaker 2: peril for bursting into flames. So again, you'd have to
19:05
Speaker 2: look into exactly what happened with the accident to figure
19:08
Speaker 2: out why his car caught on fire. But the problem
19:11
Speaker 2: once the car catches on fire, the majority of them
19:14
Speaker 2: are made of plastic components and cloth, and they burn
19:17
Speaker 2: quite rapidly and quite quickly and very hot.
19:23
Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories, investigative reporter, isn't
19:26
Speaker 1: it true here? He is like so many other of
19:30
Speaker 1: these scientists. I've got copious notes taken on every detail
19:35
Speaker 1: of their disappearances and deaths. Many of them just walk
19:39
Speaker 1: out the door without their wallet, their driver's license, their
19:44
Speaker 1: cell phone, their smart watch that would track them, no
19:49
Speaker 1: identification linking them to the military. In fact, as I recall,
19:55
Speaker 1: mccaslund left with no id, no watch, no anything. He
20:01
Speaker 1: did have a gun with him. Interesting, why did he
20:03
Speaker 1: think he needed to take a gun? But after his death,
20:08
Speaker 1: even his Air Force sweatshirt was found about two miles
20:13
Speaker 1: away on the side of the road. Anything that would
20:16
Speaker 1: have connected him to the military gone. Same thing with LeBlanc.
20:23
Speaker 1: No id, no nothing. No one would have known who
20:27
Speaker 1: he was if he had not been in that tesla
20:30
Speaker 1: and his family had not reported him missing. It's my
20:34
Speaker 1: understanding that out of the blue, no suicidal ideations, no depression,
20:41
Speaker 1: no anything. Was kind of excited about his research and
20:45
Speaker 1: his work. Dave mac what happened in the crash, I
20:49
Speaker 1: understand that he crashed through a guard rail and plowed
20:53
Speaker 1: into several trees.
20:55
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.
20:57
Speaker 6: The initial impact in the test was into the guardrail
21:01
Speaker 6: on the side of the road, but he went through
21:04
Speaker 6: the guardrail, over the dirt and slammed directly into a
21:09
Speaker 6: couple of trees, Nancy, and that's where the inferno began,
21:14
Speaker 6: was right there in the tree line.
21:16
Speaker 1: Now we've learned from his LinkedIn page. He started working
21:20
Speaker 1: as an Aerospace Technologies electrical engineer at NASA twenty nineteen.
21:28
Speaker 1: What they do They design, develop, and test hardware and
21:33
Speaker 1: software used in spacecraft, used in satellites and ground support systems.
21:39
Speaker 1: He also plays a role in the agency's Moon to
21:42
Speaker 1: Mars initiatives. I find it very interesting, Dave Mack, his
21:48
Speaker 1: family first believed he had been kidnapped when they reported
21:52
Speaker 1: him missing at four twenty three in the morning. It
21:55
Speaker 1: was so unlike him.
21:56
Speaker 6: It's shocking to me that at four thirty two in
21:59
Speaker 6: the morning his family is calling to report him missing. Look,
22:02
Speaker 6: I get it, some people don't show up for work,
22:04
Speaker 6: but four point thirty in the morning is a very
22:07
Speaker 6: early and very specific time. And as you mentioned, his
22:10
Speaker 6: family thought abduction. So something else was going on that
22:15
Speaker 6: we haven't been told yet. But I mean, really, Nancy,
22:18
Speaker 6: I get going to work early, but being reported missing
22:22
Speaker 6: at four thirty two in the morning, that is a
22:25
Speaker 6: shocking revelation in this story to me, because something else
22:28
Speaker 6: was happening that we have not been told, or they wouldn't.
22:31
Speaker 5: Have done it.
22:32
Speaker 1: Back to doctor Kendl Crown's you were discussing lithium batteries.
22:36
Speaker 1: They burn at five hundred degrees celsius one thousand degrees.
22:41
Speaker 1: Between five hundred and one thousand degrees, is that enough
22:45
Speaker 1: to totally incinerate the body beyond recognition.
22:49
Speaker 2: Yes, it can be. I mean, if you sustain that
22:51
Speaker 2: one thousand degrees for a long period of time. It
22:54
Speaker 2: will completely burn away the skin. It will cause what
22:58
Speaker 2: we say is it makes the skin kind of black
23:01
Speaker 2: and crisp, like charcoal, and then it burns away to
23:04
Speaker 2: the bone. Then the bones, as they're being burned at
23:07
Speaker 2: this sustained heat, will become brittle and break. And again
23:11
Speaker 2: at a thousand degrees and higher, you're basically cremating him.
23:14
Speaker 2: And he's sitting in a metal box which is going
23:16
Speaker 2: to keep that heat in and keep it going and circulating.
23:19
Speaker 2: And then so it is it's an environment that could
23:22
Speaker 2: easily burn him and burn him beyond recognition quite quickly.
23:26
Speaker 1: The part that's very unusual, it's all unusual, is what
23:32
Speaker 1: Stephanie Harlow told us the Star of Crime Weekly that
23:36
Speaker 1: he first went to the airport there in Huntsville and
23:40
Speaker 1: sat there for hours. Why doing?
23:44
Speaker 5: What?
23:45
Speaker 1: Did he meet someone? Why was he driving around with
23:49
Speaker 1: no cell phone, no id, no wallet, no anything? What
23:53
Speaker 1: happened in those hours? Was anyone with him? Did anyone
23:57
Speaker 1: get into that car? Did he have a burner phone?
24:03
Speaker 1: Is any of that caught on video? Airports are like
24:06
Speaker 1: Vegas casinos, They are covered with video cams. Where's the camera,
24:11
Speaker 1: where's the video. As of yet it has not emerged.
24:15
Speaker 1: Does it still exist? Which leads me to Frank Milburn,
24:21
Speaker 1: former British intelligence officer who knew another dead scientist, Amy Eskridge.
24:26
Speaker 1: Very well, Frank, I'd like you to listen to her voice,
24:33
Speaker 1: to her tapes that you have provided to us.
24:36
Speaker 8: Listen, we discovered what was of when we got back
24:39
Speaker 8: and the car battery was drained, the peppersari was emptied. Right.
24:42
Speaker 8: They just had a colonel walk out of the airport
24:45
Speaker 8: behind me. He didn't have any luggage. I don't think
24:48
Speaker 8: he even blew that day. Right, My car failed to start,
24:50
Speaker 8: and then he offered to jump it for me. Right,
24:54
Speaker 8: So the colonel jumped in my car and then I
24:57
Speaker 8: went along my Merry Way, totally traumatized, but also totally okay. Right,
25:02
Speaker 8: I have not traveled by air and I also have
25:06
Speaker 8: not left the city by car either ever since then.
25:10
Speaker 1: From our friends at Daily Mail to Frank Milburn, what
25:14
Speaker 1: is she talking about?
25:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was talking about an incident that happened when
25:19
Speaker 7: she came back from out of town, when she came
25:22
Speaker 7: back to her airport near Huntsville. And this is something
25:25
Speaker 7: that was referring for her. She would go out of
25:27
Speaker 7: town fly out, she'd come back, her vehicle had been
25:30
Speaker 7: tampered with. Even when she didn't fly, her vehicle would
25:32
Speaker 7: be tampered. So her vehicle would be in an airport's
25:35
Speaker 7: car parking lot where presumed with there's cameras and there's
25:39
Speaker 7: surveyor people moving in and out, so you'd have presumably
25:42
Speaker 7: you'd have some record of it. But her car was
25:44
Speaker 7: being tampered with, the whether it was products inside the car,
25:48
Speaker 7: items inside the car, or sometimes a door would just
25:51
Speaker 7: be left open a jar so that the battery would
25:54
Speaker 7: run down, so that when she came back she had
25:55
Speaker 7: she had a problem. But this was recurring, and it
25:58
Speaker 7: happened not only to her at airports but also at
26:01
Speaker 7: other locations and also including at home. And there's a
26:04
Speaker 7: video where she's very worried she found footsteps outside her house.
26:08
Speaker 7: There's another one where you know she's talking about her
26:12
Speaker 7: car being her mother's car being a battery drank.
26:16
Speaker 1: Also allegations that her home computer had been hacked. Listen.
26:25
Speaker 9: So I maybe just sent a message to Tim on
26:27
Speaker 9: LinkedIn and informed him that if I see one more
26:31
Speaker 9: illegally leaked document of photos that were taken from my
26:36
Speaker 9: laptop bag from my home by your business partner. I'm
26:42
Speaker 9: going to call the FBI. You've been informed that your
26:46
Speaker 9: partner has committed interstate felonies because he took pictures in Alabama,
26:50
Speaker 9: he transported them across state lines to New Jersey, and
26:53
Speaker 9: he posted them online from New Jersey. That's an interstate viliny.
26:58
Speaker 9: Considering the NBA, It's an act of corporate espionage because
27:01
Speaker 9: he founded a competing company right after that. It's an
27:05
Speaker 9: act of international espionage because he has a dual citizens
27:08
Speaker 9: dual citizenship status. It's an active breach of presidential executive
27:13
Speaker 9: presidential privilege because the document is you know, addressed to
27:19
Speaker 9: Trump on the very first page. And are you aware
27:21
Speaker 9: that your business partner left a very messy, very messy
27:25
Speaker 9: trail of evidence about these multiple villinies. It's extremely extremely
27:31
Speaker 9: easy to prove in court.
27:33
Speaker 1: Frank, what is she talking about? Do you believe her
27:36
Speaker 1: computer had been hacked?
27:38
Speaker 7: That happened to her a lot, and she was regularly,
27:43
Speaker 7: for example, when she's attacked with directed energy webon which
27:45
Speaker 7: are documented.
27:46
Speaker 4: She was working on.
27:47
Speaker 7: Air gap computer precisely because she didn't want to be
27:50
Speaker 7: connected to the internet. Her team and her were constantly
27:53
Speaker 7: having to clean reinstall their phones, their computers precisely because
27:59
Speaker 7: of this hacking. In that particular case, here that the
28:02
Speaker 7: person that she names in the clip that you played previously,
28:06
Speaker 7: he's been gaslighting me and her since before she died.
28:10
Speaker 6: She knew.
28:11
Speaker 7: I've got emails going back to you know, sorry, I've
28:13
Speaker 7: got documents going back to twenty twenty one saying that
28:17
Speaker 7: she was being a target of industrial blessponage by him
28:20
Speaker 7: and his partner. These people have been trying to gaslight
28:23
Speaker 7: her before and after her death and trying to portray
28:25
Speaker 7: her as crazy. Is not competent, but this is what
28:28
Speaker 7: be thoroughly investigated by the FBI.
28:30
Speaker 4: I know these people.
28:30
Speaker 7: They're trying to gaslight me too, So you know this
28:33
Speaker 7: is actually disgusting behavior.
28:35
Speaker 4: Talking very very badly about a deceased, dead lady. You
28:38
Speaker 4: can't defend herself. But that's why I'm here to defend her.
28:41
Speaker 5: Well.
28:41
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned something very important, very important to me, Frank,
28:44
Speaker 1: and that was that she was hired and cleared by
28:47
Speaker 1: the government and was actually working along with Homeland Security.
28:53
Speaker 1: I want to circ well, and the bottom line is,
28:56
Speaker 1: you have to go through so much isn't that true, Johnny.
29:00
Speaker 1: For her to get that type of clearance and to
29:02
Speaker 1: be working with Homeland Security and with the government on
29:06
Speaker 1: anti gravity and jet propulsion research, she would have to
29:10
Speaker 1: be cleared out the ying Yang.
29:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think that she would at least have
29:18
Speaker 3: a you know, a ts SCI clearance and probably access
29:23
Speaker 3: to maybe SAP like Lisa's, very very secure compartmentalized programs.
29:29
Speaker 3: Those clearances aren't just doled out, and there are people
29:33
Speaker 3: that have those types of are regularly assessed, you know,
29:37
Speaker 3: as to their mental competence, financial stability, all that kind
29:42
Speaker 3: of stuff. So if she was working on those programs,
29:45
Speaker 3: then I can't imagine that she wouldn't have some of
29:48
Speaker 3: the most stringent security clearances that the American government has.
29:56
Speaker 3: So all of this is incredibly disturbing, and I would
30:00
Speaker 3: think that this would be a great interest to the FBI,
30:04
Speaker 3: especially from a counterintelligence espionage perspective.
30:09
Speaker 1: The reality, john Nance, when I'm looking at Amy Eskridge
30:14
Speaker 1: and Joshua Blanc for instance, two of them with the
30:19
Speaker 1: highest possible security clearance, They're working on government actually secret
30:25
Speaker 1: government research beyond anything that trial lawyers like myself have
30:31
Speaker 1: ever encountered. The government is not going to entrust people
30:35
Speaker 1: that are suicidal, have addiction problems, nothing like that.
30:43
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, depending on the level of clearance, and like
30:47
Speaker 3: I said, these SAP programs, it's not technically a higher
30:51
Speaker 3: level than top secret. It's an access control mechanism, And
30:57
Speaker 3: depending on what type of SAP program someone has access to,
31:02
Speaker 3: the government will even monitor the type of medications that
31:06
Speaker 3: you're on. I mean, that's how sensitive we're talking about
31:09
Speaker 3: this stuff. There are also use apps which are unacknowledged
31:14
Speaker 3: special access programs where a lot of this anti graph
31:19
Speaker 3: technology is typically housed. So people that have access to
31:25
Speaker 3: this type of stuff, that are working on this stuff
31:28
Speaker 3: are closely monitored. So you're absolutely correct, her mental state
31:35
Speaker 3: would not be in question if she had those kinds
31:40
Speaker 3: of accesses.
31:41
Speaker 1: And I'd like to point out she is chalked off
31:44
Speaker 1: as a suicide, even though she swore before her death
31:48
Speaker 1: she would not commit suicide. Now you've got Joshua LeBlanc,
31:53
Speaker 1: no suicidal ideation, no depression, nothing, crashes his tesla into
31:58
Speaker 1: a guardrail and dies again without any identification. Then Air
32:03
Speaker 1: Force intelligence officer Matthew James Sullivan died at Home Falls Church, Virginia,
32:08
Speaker 1: just months before he was to testify before Congress about
32:12
Speaker 1: secret government research programs. He died of an alleged accidental
32:19
Speaker 1: drug overdose. It was a deadly mix prescription muscle relax
32:26
Speaker 1: and anti anxiety and even child anxiety drugs, a deadly cocktail,
32:36
Speaker 1: it was determined by Representative Eric Berlson in a letter
32:41
Speaker 1: to the FBI. The manner and circumstances of Sullivan's death
32:47
Speaker 1: raised substantial questions as he was preparing to provide testimony
32:51
Speaker 1: to Congress. And I'm quoting what Burleson said, but I
32:55
Speaker 1: want to circle back as three scientists approved by the government,
33:00
Speaker 1: they die of suicide under very bizarre, bizarre circumstances. Had
33:07
Speaker 1: never been suicidal or even depressed, don't even miss work ever.
33:14
Speaker 1: So back to Amy Amy Escridge, she began to notice
33:21
Speaker 1: odd details that were happening around her.
33:25
Speaker 8: So whoever did that thought I was going to be
33:27
Speaker 8: landing alone because I bought my ticket separately, right, But
33:31
Speaker 8: then he decided to go with me at the last
33:32
Speaker 8: minute because he didn't feel comfortable with me flying alone, right,
33:35
Speaker 8: So he actually bought his ticket at the counter when
33:37
Speaker 8: we got there. So whoever did that thought I was
33:40
Speaker 8: flying and alone. But my side obviously noticed immediately because
33:46
Speaker 8: when we got to the airport in Virginia to fly home,
33:50
Speaker 8: like they just waved me through security, didn't check my ID,
33:54
Speaker 8: didn't check my ticket. They were like, leave your shoes on,
33:57
Speaker 8: don't take your bag off, just walk through the scanner,
34:01
Speaker 8: right like they just wanted me to get behind the
34:04
Speaker 8: security barrier is quickly as humanly possible.
34:07
Speaker 1: Right, So I don't believe I have since September eleven.
34:13
Speaker 1: One time, Frank Melbourne not had to empty everything, take
34:18
Speaker 1: off every piece of metal, my running watch, you name it.
34:23
Speaker 1: I stripped down my children everything, let them go through
34:27
Speaker 1: the metal detector. She noticed just before her death that
34:33
Speaker 1: she was waved through and they said, don't take your
34:36
Speaker 1: off your shoes, you don't have to empty anything, just go.
34:38
Speaker 1: She started noticing odd details, odd things happening. She became
34:44
Speaker 1: concerned and afraid and stated, point blank, if I die,
34:49
Speaker 1: I did not commit suicide.
34:52
Speaker 7: Yes that's correct, but I mean it was as far
34:53
Speaker 7: back as November twenty twenty one. Because I've been going
34:56
Speaker 7: through all my old signal files with her, and I
34:59
Speaker 7: provided these to you in November twenty twenty one. She's saying, look,
35:02
Speaker 7: I've had a really hard life, and you know, there
35:05
Speaker 7: had a lot of bad things have happened to me.
35:06
Speaker 7: I'm an incredible amount of pain from injuries that I've received,
35:09
Speaker 7: but i have every desire to keep to go on
35:12
Speaker 7: living because I've got a mission to accomplish in life.
35:14
Speaker 7: And for her, that was everything her work, her family,
35:18
Speaker 7: and the fact that she had this kind of like
35:19
Speaker 7: this inner drive and she wanted to bring her work
35:22
Speaker 7: effectively into the public sphere and out of the classified
35:26
Speaker 7: sphere to benefit all of us, you know, all of
35:29
Speaker 7: mankind basically, So she had this mission, she felt this
35:33
Speaker 7: kind of sense of destiny. And that was seven months
35:35
Speaker 7: before she died, before she started sending out these desperate messages,
35:40
Speaker 7: you know, to all her friends, to me and to
35:41
Speaker 7: others and to co workers, to everybody who knew what
35:44
Speaker 7: was going on around her. A month before she died,
35:47
Speaker 7: saying again, I won't commit suicide. I'm not going to overdose,
35:49
Speaker 7: I'm not going to take pills. I'm not going to
35:51
Speaker 7: shoot myself. I'm not going to kill anybody else.
35:53
Speaker 3: So, you know, seven months.
35:56
Speaker 7: Before she died, she's saying, I have every reason to live.
35:58
Speaker 7: And then a month before she died. She saying I'm
36:00
Speaker 7: not going to kill myself.
36:04
Speaker 5: To you.
36:05
Speaker 1: Dave mack joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. I want
36:08
Speaker 1: to circle back to the fact that Sullivan, who we
36:12
Speaker 1: were describing earlier, was a whistleblower. What can you tell me?
36:19
Speaker 1: And just before he could testify, he ends up dead.
36:24
Speaker 1: No suicidal ideation, no depression, nothing with top clearance. He
36:30
Speaker 1: also dies in his home accidental drug overdose. What is
36:34
Speaker 1: he doing with all those anti anxiety meds. They wouldn't
36:38
Speaker 1: have him on board. If he was taking all of
36:41
Speaker 1: that medicine, it wouldn't happen. He would not maintain that clearance.
36:46
Speaker 1: What happened, Dave mac oh.
36:49
Speaker 6: Matthew Sullivan was scheduled to testify before Congress about and
36:55
Speaker 6: I'm using the actual wording here, secret government UFO. This
37:01
Speaker 6: was a real hearing scheduled for Matthew Sullivan to talk
37:05
Speaker 6: about what he knew firsthand experience. Now this was a
37:10
Speaker 6: big deal. There was a lot going on with the
37:14
Speaker 6: concern about his death. Representative Eric Burlison Nancy labeled the
37:20
Speaker 6: mysterious death of Sullivan as a grave concern implications of
37:26
Speaker 6: national security, So a lot more than meets the eye.
37:30
Speaker 6: It's not just him going into talk about flying saucers
37:33
Speaker 6: and air quotes. But look at what he overdosed on,
37:36
Speaker 6: nancy Xenix, CycL of benzaprin, which is flexo muscle relaxer,
37:41
Speaker 6: and I drugg you to treat children for bed wedding.
37:46
Speaker 6: That's what they say he overdosed on. I looked up
37:48
Speaker 6: the numbers the amount that would have to be taken
37:52
Speaker 6: of those medications to overdose, and the numbers are astronomical.
37:56
Speaker 6: And as you mentioned, you don't get this kind of
37:59
Speaker 6: cli aparents in the military if you have suicidal ideation
38:05
Speaker 6: or an addiction to any of these types of situations.
38:08
Speaker 6: So Matthew Sullivan was planning on opening the door on
38:14
Speaker 6: some very classified and very secret UFO material that was
38:17
Speaker 6: important to the government of the United States of America
38:20
Speaker 6: for the people to know anyway, and before that could happen,
38:23
Speaker 6: he died.
38:25
Speaker 1: I only wonder if it had anything to do with
38:27
Speaker 1: anti gravity jet propulsion. That said, I'm going to be
38:31
Speaker 1: remiss if I did not mention physicist, brilliant physicist, doctor
38:38
Speaker 1: Ning Lee. She had been awarded four hundred and fifty
38:41
Speaker 1: thousand dollars from the DoD and she disappeared briefly. Then
38:48
Speaker 1: she was mowed down in a crosswalk. Nobody else went
38:53
Speaker 1: out in the crosswalk, but she was suddenly thrust into
38:55
Speaker 1: the crosswalk. She got mowed down. Her husband immediately had
39:02
Speaker 1: a heart attack and later died. She was brain dad
39:08
Speaker 1: and then later died. To Stephanie Harlow joining us composed
39:14
Speaker 1: Crime Weekly podcast. What can you tell me about her?
39:19
Speaker 1: I know she's Chinese American, and I know that she
39:22
Speaker 1: was brilliant, and I know nobody but her ended up
39:26
Speaker 1: in that crosswalk when she got mowed down.
39:29
Speaker 5: Doctor Ningley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville
39:35
Speaker 5: and she was doing anti gravity work and research there.
39:38
Speaker 5: She then left the university after a significant amount of
39:41
Speaker 5: time there and she started her own business. And then
39:44
Speaker 5: the government came calling and they gave her that grant
39:46
Speaker 5: to work on continued anti gravity research. Because this is Huntsville,
39:51
Speaker 5: they do that stuff there as well as advanced propulsion research.
39:55
Speaker 5: And then she started working with the government, and at
39:59
Speaker 5: that point she kind of went dark, and there was
40:02
Speaker 5: a big thing online for a while because people thought
40:04
Speaker 5: she disappeared. She was off the map for quite a bit,
40:08
Speaker 5: and there was a journalist who was trying to find
40:10
Speaker 5: her to talk to her about her research, and he
40:12
Speaker 5: couldn't find her, and he reached out to another anti
40:16
Speaker 5: gravity researcher, Eugene Polannach, and Eugene said, oh, she's working
40:21
Speaker 5: for the government. She just can't talk to anybody about
40:25
Speaker 5: what she's doing right now. But Eugene also said, I
40:28
Speaker 5: haven't been able.
40:29
Speaker 4: To reach her either.
40:31
Speaker 5: And it was several years later when this same journalist
40:35
Speaker 5: finally tracked down doctor Ningli's son, and the son said
40:40
Speaker 5: she had been a hit. She had been in a
40:41
Speaker 5: terrible car accident which had left her with permanent brain damage.
40:45
Speaker 5: She developed dementia, and then he took care of her
40:48
Speaker 5: for several years until she finally passed away from this.
40:53
Speaker 4: But she was never the same obviously, she never went
40:55
Speaker 4: back to work.
40:56
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that doctor has been
41:01
Speaker 1: compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart of physics,
41:09
Speaker 1: the scientists that many people say quote discovered anti gravity.
41:15
Speaker 1: That's the significance of who is doctor ning Lee. She
41:22
Speaker 1: is was brilliant, but after being mowed down on a crosswalk,
41:27
Speaker 1: and I keep going back, John Nance joining me, former
41:32
Speaker 1: supervisory special agent with the FBI, to the fact that,
41:37
Speaker 1: for instance, in Manhattan, everybody walks out into the street
41:40
Speaker 1: when they think that they're not going to get run over.
41:42
Speaker 1: They don't look at the walk, don't walk science, Okay,
41:46
Speaker 1: in this case in hunts Full, nobody y else stepped
41:50
Speaker 1: out in the crosswalk. Nobody stepped out but her, and
41:54
Speaker 1: she got mowed down, immediate forever brain damage which she
42:00
Speaker 1: could never work as a physicist again after that.
42:09
Speaker 3: There are simply too many data points to think that
42:12
Speaker 3: this is, you know, explainable by coincidence. The the the
42:17
Speaker 3: all these events that are surrounding, especially these what we're
42:20
Speaker 3: calling the anti grab technology is it's simply the the
42:27
Speaker 3: the correlation is simply too strong to ignore. And it
42:32
Speaker 3: kind of reminds me of some of the things that
42:34
Speaker 3: the Bureau used to do back during the Cold War.
42:37
Speaker 3: In fact, agents assigned to counterintelligence functions would often tail
42:44
Speaker 3: KGB agents into the New York subway systems and quote
42:48
Speaker 3: unquote give them a bump, so to speak, as an
42:51
Speaker 3: intimidation tactic, kind of pushing them toward the subway. So
43:00
Speaker 3: what happened to her sounds, you know, hauntingly familiar to
43:04
Speaker 3: that type of thing. Obviously, FBI agents weren't trying to
43:07
Speaker 3: uh to to kill KGB agents, but you know, not
43:12
Speaker 3: something that is certainly unheard of within intelligence or or
43:17
Speaker 3: counterintelligence UH communities. So obviously incredibly suspicious. And we keep
43:24
Speaker 3: going back to people who are involved in the UAP
43:29
Speaker 3: sphere or or you know, more commonly known as the
43:33
Speaker 3: us UFO sphere. I think we've had three congressional hearings
43:37
Speaker 3: on this so far, UH and Matthew Sullivan's case is
43:42
Speaker 3: extremely disturbing. You have an individual that was getting ready
43:46
Speaker 3: to come forward and testify before Congress about matters of
43:50
Speaker 3: incredibly sensitive intelligence value. So I think that the FBI
43:57
Speaker 3: has has every cause to be highly concerned. And also
44:02
Speaker 3: Representative birch Ed and Luna have also been leading the
44:06
Speaker 3: charge on these matters, as well as Burlson. So you
44:10
Speaker 3: have incredibly credible people who are very very concerned about
44:15
Speaker 3: all these matters. So this isn't something to be taken
44:18
Speaker 3: lightly or to be dismissed as crazy UFO talk. This
44:24
Speaker 3: implicates very very real technologies and programs that have been
44:29
Speaker 3: attested to, you know, crash retrieval programs that have been
44:33
Speaker 3: attested to under oath for Congress.
44:36
Speaker 1: Frank Milburn on the heels of what John Nance just
44:39
Speaker 1: told us, Why are you speaking out? Do you have
44:44
Speaker 1: any fears?
44:48
Speaker 4: I don't know.
44:48
Speaker 7: They say jumping out planes at low level is dangerous.
44:51
Speaker 7: They say getting shot out and blown up is dangerous.
44:53
Speaker 7: But you know that when I was seventeen. So now
44:56
Speaker 7: I'm not too much for myself. I have had the
44:59
Speaker 7: Harrisman campa as orchestrated against me. That's still happening. But
45:02
Speaker 7: I mean that's like one of the stuff you know,
45:04
Speaker 7: I can of like sticks and stones just trying to
45:06
Speaker 7: make me out to be a bad person, trying to
45:08
Speaker 7: the same thing has happened with Amy, trying to make
45:10
Speaker 7: me out to be incompetent and instead of you know,
45:14
Speaker 7: lacking integrity, all those sort of things. But you know,
45:17
Speaker 7: those they're just water off a darks back. I'm speaking
45:19
Speaker 7: out because Amy can't, although she she can through the
45:22
Speaker 7: files that I have, and people are going to continue
45:25
Speaker 7: to hear her voice, to hear her voice and to
45:26
Speaker 7: see what she wrote and to understand more about her
45:30
Speaker 7: actually in terms of the you know, the sort of
45:32
Speaker 7: the anti gravity and all the other sort of what
45:33
Speaker 7: they call the five observer ples. Actually, back in twenty twenty,
45:37
Speaker 7: I wrote two papers on those for an Israeli think
45:39
Speaker 7: tank the began SI that Center.
45:41
Speaker 3: For Strategic Studies.
45:43
Speaker 7: One of them is called the Penticon's UAP Task Force
45:46
Speaker 7: and the second one was American Development of UAP technology
45:48
Speaker 7: a fetter Complete. So those kind of explain the strategic
45:52
Speaker 7: aspects of of UAP and how you know, both America
45:56
Speaker 7: and out of adversaries want to harness these chnologies not
46:00
Speaker 7: only to compete with each other, but also, as doctor
46:03
Speaker 7: Eric David said, who used to work for their Defense
46:05
Speaker 7: Intelligence Agency as a consultant too by twenty fifty, to
46:09
Speaker 7: be able to approximate these technologies in case, you know,
46:12
Speaker 7: the tic TACs and the operators at the EUAP turn
46:15
Speaker 7: out to be hostile. So you know, as humans, we
46:17
Speaker 7: want to have those technologies as well.
46:19
Speaker 1: If you know or don't believe you know anything relating
46:24
Speaker 1: to the now fourteen missing and dead scientist dial eight
46:31
Speaker 1: hundred two two five five three two four repeat eight
46:35
Speaker 1: hundred two two five five three two four We remember
46:40
Speaker 1: an American hero Officer Stephen rkel Brentwood, PD, New Hampshire,
46:45
Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty after seventeen years,
46:50
Speaker 1: leaving behind his wife now widow, Heather, and two beautiful daughters,
46:57
Speaker 1: Kimberly and Lauren. American Hero Officer Stephen Arkell. Thank you
47:04
Speaker 1: to our guests, but especially to you for being with
47:06
Speaker 1: us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll
47:09
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,