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ACCUSED KILLER HUSBAND BRIAN WALSHE 'SHANKED' BEHIND BARS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Anna Walsh, the working mom of beautiful little boys, suddenly
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  Speaker 2: just disappears. Her husband says she's on the way to
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  Speaker 2: the airport, but she didn't have a flight. She never
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  Speaker 2: made it to the airport, and she never ordered a car.
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  Speaker 2: So where's Anna. Well, according to prosecutors, she's dead and
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  Speaker 2: dismembered because of husband Brian Walsh, a convicted art thief,
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  Speaker 2: a con man, and now.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Walsh, according to.
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  Speaker 2: The state, has gotten a taste of his own medicine.
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  Speaker 2: He was stabbed behind bars, but he lived. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. That's right, just before his murder trial
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  Speaker 2: and his wife's disc appearance, Brian Walsh is stabbed behind
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  Speaker 2: bars in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 1: He was assaulted a.
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  Speaker 2: Few Thursday nights ago at the Norfolk County Jail in Denham.
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  Speaker 2: He was taken to a Boston hospital to be treated
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  Speaker 2: and was released. Okay, so you're not getting out of trial.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about why? This is what the state
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  Speaker 2: says Brian Walch did to his wife, Anna, the mother
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  Speaker 2: of their little boys.
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  Speaker 3: New Tonight police are asking the public to help them
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  Speaker 3: find a Cohaset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
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  Speaker 3: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
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  Speaker 3: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
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  Speaker 3: she works during the week, but there's no record of
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  Speaker 3: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
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  Speaker 3: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been
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  Speaker 3: able to confirm that.
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  Speaker 4: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
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  Speaker 4: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
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  Speaker 5: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
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  Speaker 5: share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
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  Speaker 5: A lines and that's been a challenge that she did
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  Speaker 5: not board a plane this week.
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  Speaker 4: Police say her phone has been off and there has
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  Speaker 4: been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
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  Speaker 6: Just a loving wife and mother Dave.
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  Speaker 3: She always says, three beautiful boys, three borutical boys.
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  Speaker 6: So she loves so.
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  Speaker 1: Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?
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  Speaker 2: You were hearing our friends at wpr I and WUSA, So.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Anna Now?
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  Speaker 2: I had to take that exact flight very often, and
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  Speaker 2: between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
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  Speaker 2: triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
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  Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go.
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  Speaker 2: To Bob Ward, reporter for Boston twenty five News. You
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  Speaker 2: can find them at Twitter at b war three. Bob,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize
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  Speaker 2: that a little bit better than I did? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I know, out of in New York, I would very
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  Speaker 2: often have to race from Court TV to get to
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  Speaker 2: the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a different terminal than
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  Speaker 2: the main LaGuardia terminal because they had hourly flights not
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  Speaker 2: only to Atlanta but to DC where I would go
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  Speaker 2: to shoot Larry King. And believe it or not, they
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  Speaker 2: were so regular, almost like a bus. For Pete's sake,
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  Speaker 2: I could be there within two hours of leaving the
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  Speaker 2: studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But there's so many
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  Speaker 2: flights out of Logan to New York and DC. That's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of investigation to find out if she really
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  Speaker 2: did get on a plane.
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  Speaker 7: Right. But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 7: this sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 7: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 7: She had a party at her house that went until
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  Speaker 7: about one o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 8: New Year's Eve into New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 7: A mother of three who claimed there was an emergency
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  Speaker 7: at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we wait, let me, let's start right there. Bob
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  Speaker 2: Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five News. I'm
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  Speaker 2: drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. You're
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  Speaker 2: giving me so much information so quickly. So with the
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  Speaker 2: three children. She was actually working in DC, living in
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  Speaker 2: the Boston area. And what was her job in DC?
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  Speaker 1: Was it a new job?
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  Speaker 7: Was it was a fairly new job. You know, we're
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  Speaker 7: still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But she
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  Speaker 7: had she had a job with an apartment down in
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  Speaker 7: d C.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but what was her job in DC?
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  Speaker 7: I'm not clear on what her job was. She was
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  Speaker 7: not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on just
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  Speaker 2: a moment. We all know about getting a new job,
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you got to do whatever they want
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  Speaker 2: to make that great impression so they don't say, wow,
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  Speaker 2: we've got her on six months probation we're going to
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  Speaker 2: can her.
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  Speaker 1: She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David
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  Speaker 1: Stuttard is with me right now, Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think of David Stutter as a motorman, as
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  Speaker 2: an APD Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is
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  Speaker 2: a very well known lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: David Stutter. Do you remember your first day on the
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  Speaker 1: job as a cop?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 9: I do, And it was a long long time ago,
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  Speaker 9: nineteen to eighty eight. And I do remember my first day,
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  Speaker 9: and I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting
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  Speaker 9: to get out and save the world and.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some
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  Speaker 2: desk assignment.
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  Speaker 9: That's right. We were on a very strict six month
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  Speaker 9: probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction
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  Speaker 9: would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
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  Speaker 9: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
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  Speaker 9: to get to that probationary perier.
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  Speaker 2: And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you
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  Speaker 2: remember your first day working as a lawyer? Like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gon unscrew this up. This is nothing like being
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  Speaker 2: a cop.
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  Speaker 9: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feelings.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Karen.
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  Speaker 2: Stark, you remember you would be with me on the
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  Speaker 2: set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me, a
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  Speaker 2: renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She's
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  Speaker 2: at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen, you'd
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  Speaker 2: be with me on the set at Court TV, and
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  Speaker 2: my stomach would be churning to figure out if I
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  Speaker 2: can make that flight to get to Larry King's studios
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  Speaker 2: in Washington to get on the air, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I would make it. I don't think I ever did
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  Speaker 2: not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
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  Speaker 2: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: got to fly to d C to be on tonight,
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  Speaker 2: I go, sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman,
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  Speaker 2: they go, hey you got to fly down to DC.
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  Speaker 2: We got an emergency. I don't care if it's New
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  Speaker 2: Year's Day, and she would hop that plane. Would you
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  Speaker 2: agree with that?
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  Speaker 10: I would agree with it. Nancy, and I remember those
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  Speaker 10: days like it was yesterday. You were always doing above
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  Speaker 10: and beyond what you needed to do. I used to
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  Speaker 10: watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe that
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  Speaker 10: you would make it, and you always made it.
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  Speaker 1: But what pressure?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a lot of white knuckles and a
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  Speaker 2: cab trying to get to La Guardian Marine. So we're
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  Speaker 2: hearing from Bob Ward that something wasn't right, But yet
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  Speaker 2: it was a new job, so people talked it off. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's proving herself. But then things even went
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  Speaker 2: more sideways. Take a listen to our friends at Boston
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  Speaker 2: twenty five.
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  Speaker 11: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
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  Speaker 11: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
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  Speaker 11: a well being check was made on January fourth by
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  Speaker 11: a man who identified himself as the head of security
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  Speaker 11: at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Spire. The log
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  Speaker 11: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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  Speaker 11: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
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  Speaker 11: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
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  Speaker 11: According to the log, on his phone last pig on
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  Speaker 11: January second, at three fourteen am in cohacit and hit
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  Speaker 11: the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a
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  Speaker 11: mile from the family's home.
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  Speaker 1: Okay with me.
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  Speaker 2: Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.
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  Speaker 2: Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
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  Speaker 1: Former NYPD investigator.
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  Speaker 2: And you can find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it when it's your job calling to
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  Speaker 2: report you missing, not your family.
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  Speaker 12: Correct, I mean distinks to the high heavens. It really
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  Speaker 12: does not to mention that it is a lot easier
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  Speaker 12: now than when I join the force before my colleague
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  Speaker 12: in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check
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  Speaker 12: TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a certain
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  Speaker 12: number of airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC,
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  Speaker 12: and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity
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  Speaker 12: to go into those records now and search for her name,
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  Speaker 12: her data, birth and see if she A had a
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  Speaker 12: plane reservation, B did she clear security with all the
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  Speaker 12: cameras that are in airports, and C did she actually
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  Speaker 12: get on the flight?
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember.
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  Speaker 2: Going in your life at this stutter, going to the
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  Speaker 2: Greyhound bus station in Inner City Atlantic trying to find
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  Speaker 2: out if a particular woman who always into this day
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  Speaker 2: is still a Jane Dae.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, who's murdered if.
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  Speaker 2: She had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
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  Speaker 2: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got them on one one.
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  Speaker 12: But it was so hard to do to Nancy. You'll
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  Speaker 12: also remember when you ran from Court TV to the
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  Speaker 12: Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport. You used to be
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  Speaker 12: able to run through no matinatometers. You'd run on a
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  Speaker 12: Delta flight or People's Express flight or Eastern back then,
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  Speaker 12: and you just jump on the flight with a random
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  Speaker 12: ticket that you could just say any hour. Nowadays, you
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  Speaker 12: can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man.
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  Speaker 2: They got to justify their existence and so they will
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  Speaker 2: do a full on body cavity search if they feel
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  Speaker 2: like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know
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  Speaker 2: who you get searched the most. My mother going in
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  Speaker 2: with a wheelchair when we push her around the airport,
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  Speaker 2: even though she can walk.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a
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  Speaker 2: couple of air carriers that go between Boston and DC.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Don't you just hate it
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  Speaker 1: when people stab you? I mean that could be.
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  Speaker 2: Deadly right Brian Walsh Walsh facing trial for the murder
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  Speaker 2: of his wife and the dismemberment of her body, leaving
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  Speaker 2: behind her little boys to be raised without a mother.
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  Speaker 2: Unlike his wife Anna. He was treated at the hospital
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  Speaker 2: and then released back to the custody of the local jail.
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  Speaker 2: Anna Walsh was not so lucky. The employer is reporting
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  Speaker 2: Anna missing, not her family, but listen to this WBZ.
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  Speaker 13: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
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  Speaker 13: by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends the same
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  Speaker 13: day Anna was reported missing to police.
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  Speaker 6: Said Brian Walsh, and hope all is going well. I
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  Speaker 6: was just apreci out to basically everybody I could. Anna
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  Speaker 6: has a in touch for a few days, you know,
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  Speaker 6: anyone that might have that contact with her. Just you
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  Speaker 6: calling everyone. So I've heard to bother you for everything. Fine.
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  Speaker 2: So we do see the husband reaching out to her
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  Speaker 2: friends and leaving voicemails for all of them trying to
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  Speaker 2: find out if they had heard from Anna and joining
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  Speaker 2: me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc.
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  Speaker 1: At Digital Mountain dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Julie, thank you for being with us Tom Ruskin, the
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  Speaker 2: PI points out how much easier it is to check
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  Speaker 2: flight records through TSA and even getting subpoenas very quickly,
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  Speaker 2: or asking the carrier you know, like Delta to check
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  Speaker 2: their records to find out if somebody made a flight.
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  Speaker 2: So according to police, she didn't make that flight. But
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  Speaker 2: what Julie lewis about ride share, lift, Uber and all
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  Speaker 2: the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a trail if she
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  Speaker 2: had taken a ride chair to the airport.
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  Speaker 14: But you can certainly contact the custodian of records at
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  Speaker 14: the ubers the lists and types of companies that she
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  Speaker 14: would have taken a ride share and find out that
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  Speaker 14: information with legal due process and see what you know,
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  Speaker 14: what the actual fact pattern is there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get
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  Speaker 2: their right chair through their phone app.
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  Speaker 9: If you have access to her yes.
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  Speaker 15: If you have access to her phone, you knew the
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  Speaker 15: whereabouts of that phone. You would have access to.
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  Speaker 14: The app, but most of that data would be stored
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  Speaker 14: in the cloud and pointing up to the Uber application.
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  Speaker 15: Uh not, it might not be stored on the local phone.
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  Speaker 14: So that's something to consider.
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  Speaker 2: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
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  Speaker 2: have her phone, but we do have her coach say
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  Speaker 2: it like everybody else in America their birthday or their
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  Speaker 2: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
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  Speaker 2: can we get into the iCloud that way?
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  Speaker 15: Typically you would need the user name, you would need.
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  Speaker 14: A password for the accounts, and you would also if
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  Speaker 14: they have Multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the
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  Speaker 14: text message.
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  Speaker 1: So a little harder than I thought.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what we're talking about, her phone and
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  Speaker 2: where she Where is the husband during all of this?
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  Speaker 2: Take a listener Our cut thirty five, Lynn Bi Lund talking.
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  Speaker 16: If I need to indicating on January first, at three pm,
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  Speaker 16: we did some memorans and which was not his house
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  Speaker 16: and swamps but but lost because he didn't have his phone.
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  Speaker 16: He said, you know, he was lost when he saw
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  Speaker 16: a pirate ship one root one defenders stayed, stayed fifteen minutes,
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  Speaker 16: then went to Whole Foods and CBS. Savannahs has checked
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  Speaker 16: and he did not enter either with those stores.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Ward, Boston twenty five on this the disappearance of
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  Speaker 2: Anna Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship en
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  Speaker 2: route one what Okay, no, wait a.
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  Speaker 1: Minute, wait, wait, wait, So he says.
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  Speaker 2: The husband says he's going to visit his mother and
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  Speaker 2: he gets lost on the way to his mom's home,
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  Speaker 2: and when he sees a pirate ship, he knows he's lost,
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  Speaker 2: but then it goes into Whole Foods and CBS even
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  Speaker 2: though he's lost.
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  Speaker 7: What the pirate ship is a landmark on the rout
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  Speaker 7: one area. There's that area of Swampskip where his mother lives.
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  Speaker 7: There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that
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  Speaker 7: sort of thing. And I think that's what it was
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  Speaker 7: that he's talking about, was a landmark that he saw
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  Speaker 7: that told him where he was. And he said he
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  Speaker 7: got lost because he didn't have a GPS on his
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  Speaker 7: phone with him because he's elected at home.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unused.
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  Speaker 2: I've told that my twins is like the wizards and
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  Speaker 2: their wands and Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it.
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  Speaker 2: Why doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: cell phone, especially if he hasn't hear from his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you keep your cell phone with you at that
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  Speaker 2: time in case she called?
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  Speaker 10: Well, let's think about this.
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  Speaker 14: Nancy.
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  Speaker 10: How many people really leave home these days without their phone.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's improbable.
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  Speaker 10: I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
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  Speaker 10: and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
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  Speaker 10: me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
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  Speaker 10: no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
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  Speaker 10: exactly what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: In the search for Anna Walsh, local authorities find something
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  Speaker 2: very unusual.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listener to our cut forty.
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  Speaker 16: Data from the phone also practice We're boats on January through.
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  Speaker 16: It locations were traveled at foot twenty seven on January
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  Speaker 16: through to an apartment complex in Abington. So Veillance shows
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  Speaker 16: the dependant's bobbo as well as male fitting the dependent's
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  Speaker 16: appearance Exeter.
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  Speaker 1: Cab near the dumpster.
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  Speaker 16: He walks to the dumpster carrying in garbage bag he's
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  Speaker 16: leaning and it appears to be heavy as he has
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  Speaker 16: to keft it into the dumpster.
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  Speaker 1: He walks to the dumpster with the.
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  Speaker 16: Garbage bag and leaves it on full.
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  Speaker 9: Forty eight.
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  Speaker 16: He hit another complex in Abington and at five ten pm,
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  Speaker 16: cell phone shows records at another apartment in Brockton. Video
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  Speaker 16: shows a party consistent with his appearance and his Bobbo
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  Speaker 16: again he decided items in the dumpster, Bob Warren joining
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  Speaker 16: us from Boston twenty five on his disappearance.
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  Speaker 2: From the very beginning, I don't have a problem with
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  Speaker 2: my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster outside
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  Speaker 2: our house. But it starts going from one dumpster to
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  Speaker 2: the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to the next dumpster,
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  Speaker 2: all in within a one hour period.
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  Speaker 1: That concerns me.
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  Speaker 2: And you know who reminds me of and you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the missing Connecticut
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  Speaker 2: mom of five. Remember for her husband Fotus Dillos and
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  Speaker 2: his mistress, they're going all around town dropping off items
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  Speaker 2: and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it, Bob,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe you can shed some light on this. Why
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  Speaker 2: is it that when a woman goes missing, her husband
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has to
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: throw out the trash.
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: Good question, Nanty, I think we know the answer to that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: third incident that you just played the cut from the
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: dumpsters in the south Shore and Abington and Brockton. What
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: we're going to find out in court, that is, when
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: the remains of on a wallsh are being discarded in
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: in the south shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: is that they never will be because that's where those
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: in this case were brought to the north shore near
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: were not brought to an incinerator, but to a landfill
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: they were found and it's inside I don't know from
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags is
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: this case.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: one more time in very slowly?
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: Sure?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I think the gist is that very quickly after husband
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Brian Walch visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: out where the trash was picked up and taken some
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: bit of truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship.
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: is because it's usually based on a hint of truth, right,
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: like no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke,
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: very adept at being able to tell a lie that
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: has a little bit of truth in it but a
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: lot of falsehood.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I like the very abused conjure.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I like a magician or a wizard, because one moment
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: on a Walsh is there with witnesses at a New
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Year's Eve party, and the next moment she's gone. Brian
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Walsh was stab behind bars, but he lived his wife,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: His beautiful young wife, the only one working in supporting
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the family, was not so lucky. A week after her disappear,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: as prosecutors say, investigators find blood, bloody, a bloody and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: damaged knife in the basement, strongly believing he disposed of
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: her body near his own mother's home. Did I mention
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: he had a two point seven million dollar life insurance
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: policy with him as a soul beneficiary. What else do
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: we know? Bob Ward joining me, investigative reporter of Boston
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: twenty five, tell me again what you just said?
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: So.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: On January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, is
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into dumpsters
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: in the south Shore of Boston in the towns of
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash bags
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: that he was struggling with to get into the dumpsters
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: contained the dismembered remains of his wife.
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: On a w wash.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: not allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: the case on the south Shore. The allegation is that
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: he took his tools, the instruments that he used to
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: dismember his wife's body along with some of her clothes
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: and belongings, and put them in other trash bags and
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: discarded those things in dumpsters on the north shore of
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: Boston his mother's house near that pirate ship. Those trash
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: bags have been recovered and those items are going to
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: be an important part of this case, in this trial
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: when it takes place.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: trash bags in January?
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: a hack saw, They found a bloody rug, they found
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: they found.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And now lawyer, what rank did you get to? Started?
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: I left, there's an investigator. Nantell's a homicide detective and
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: I left.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a homicide.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Without a body, Yes, I had. Can I just say
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that a tough pill to swallow?
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: It is, but fortunately even in those cases and this guy, look,
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: you know, as a homicide detective. I would have been
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue,
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: he is contacted by her employer does he make an
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: I get frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: trying to call her and call her. This guy has
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: which to my point is, you know, even the most
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: mountain of it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could you.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, I'm gonna circle back to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you just a moment about possible nav systems on his car,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: but Tom Ruskin joining me, then, don't want Karen start
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to weigh in on this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: private investigator or extraordinary President of CMP Protective and Investigative Group,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Tom listen, I don't like jewelry. I really don't like
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars. But if you
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: were to take let's just say, this little ring right here,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: this is made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: it's very thin, it's not be jeweled, but if you
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: were to take that, I would come after you.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: All right. There are just some things that would matter
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: want her to fancy boots and her proud of hers
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: thrown out.
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: No, and it would be weird if she had left
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect,
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The fact of
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: need a body anymore to prove a case.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: It sure helps, though, man, Come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: on the evidence that we have. But it's sure as
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: heck helps if you.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Do have a dead body to prove a murder case.
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: But it also goes against him because we know that
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: pickup's not working at his house?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And start he's so right, And Karen, again, I threw
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do guys
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Her employer has to call looking for her. And then
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: at the corner at the end of the driveway or
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan, But why
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: do you go to five or six different dumpsters? And
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: rags and towels in a dumpster.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Do something different.
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: What always happens, Nancy. He believes he's not going to
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean,
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: he gets lost going to his mother.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: He didn't get lost.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to the next.
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: And also saying that he went to places where they
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: could check and he did not go.
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one sec. Yes,
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: I just want to bring well, to bring up the
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: has nothing to do with her murder. This is a
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: to Washington on business trip. Why is her phone off?
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 12: we go to the airport, you shut off your phone
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on
• 28:35
  Speaker 12: to mister Startdard's point once you land. Why is she
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: becoming a low a suddensereptitious or becoming covert in her actions?
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: Which sort of defies the logic of the husband.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Tom Ruskin private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: don't guess any of you people on this panel have
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: read Don't be a Victim written by what's that girl's name, Oh,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. You're suppose to take a picture of when
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you're in the parking deck, which I do and send
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: in my family, and then when I get them on
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the plane, I take a picture I'm on the plane
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and send to them. You don't even have to write
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a text or write words, but just let people know
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: where you're going.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: JACKI I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I have. Okay, guys, that's not the end of it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: But I want to ask Julie Louis Something, President and
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about I like
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to just say on Star as a blanket nav description,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you know, anything older than twenty ten?
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: So before I jump into that, I just you were
• 29:44
  Speaker 15: talking about pictures, and there was.
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding
• 29:49
  Speaker 14: ring off in some of her final photos, and so
• 29:54
  Speaker 14: within that picture there's things called excess data that you
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: can look for that potentially could have g location information
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: about where she was when the picture was taken.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so.
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
• 30:12
  Speaker 14: a moving computer these days on most cars. With why
• 30:16
  Speaker 14: fuy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these things.
• 30:22
  Speaker 15: That you can use for tracking.
• 30:24
  Speaker 14: So if Brian's car has has that in it, law
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: enforcement could have certainly.
• 30:30
  Speaker 15: Used that information.
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: The other thing that happens in cars is a lot
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: of people think their phones and so text messages, contacts,
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: you know, browser history, all these things may be on
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: that on the car now. You know, for example, if
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: you rent.
• 30:47
  Speaker 15: A car, even that information can be on that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: So that's something that's really important to note.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the car can track everything that you have written on
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: your phone during that time.
• 31:01
  Speaker 15: It could be thinking like when you are in a
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: uber your playlist. Depending on the configuration, it could actually
• 31:09
  Speaker 15: down on that. So you don't want to go in
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: some strangers car rental car.
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: And plug it in because the car and fountainment system
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Good to know crime stories with Nancy Grace. Why was
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Walsh stabbed?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: We know that the inmates in that facility have access
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to television. There are of course iPads, so many of
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: them know what he is accused of doing to his
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: beautiful wife, who, by the way, was the only one
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: working in the family. His Google searches were damning. I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: what an idiot. I just can't stress this enough. Take
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a listen to our cut thirty six This is Land
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Bilan talking on.
• 32:02
  Speaker 16: January first, defenitive googled using.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: A son's iPad. Some of his searches are as follows.
• 32:10
  Speaker 16: Keep in mind that the dependant said he left at
• 32:13
  Speaker 16: sixty six am. At four fifty five am on January first,
• 32:18
  Speaker 16: he searched how long before a body starts to smell?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
• 32:28
  Speaker 13: Eight am?
• 32:29
  Speaker 16: How to stop a body from decomposing?
• 32:32
  Speaker 13: At five twenty am.
• 32:33
  Speaker 16: He searched how to mount the body At five forty
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead body
• 32:42
  Speaker 16: if you really need to. At six twenty five am
• 32:46
  Speaker 16: on the first, how long for someone to be missing
• 32:48
  Speaker 16: to inherit? At six thirty four am on first, can
• 32:52
  Speaker 16: the go away body pots?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: examin Or, Terrant County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Christian University Medical School. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: being with us. Let me just ask you a couple
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: days and I'd like to point out also, this is
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: food for thought for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: son's iPad.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Like they don't know how to read the.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Search history and there's daddy searching. How long before a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: body starts to smell? How do you stop a body
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: from decomposing? How to get rid of a body? Ten
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: ways to dispose of a dead body if you really
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: need to. I'm glad he had to tack that on
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: at the end. How long before? How long for someone
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to be missing to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Can you throw away body parts? Okay? I'm starting to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter that you don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: really need the dead body to prove that someone is dead.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me some quick answers
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: to those This is a lightning round for you, how
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: long before a body starts to smell, doctor Crowns?
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: For ten days?
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: a body from decomposing?
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: found in the iceberg ot to see the iceman. He
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: the iceberg. So really, refrigeration is the best way to
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: prevent a body from decomposing.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: really need to.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: You have to, you know, if you don't want the
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: trash man to notice some potamon dumpsters like which was
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: possibly done in this case, and then dismember the individual
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: and just small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: human and then mix them in with other trash, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: then other good way is to put them in. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: body parts down into kind of a slug.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually Nancy scaring many
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: people that are listening to you right now putting it
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: in pool. Wait a minute, Karen start, I know you've
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: got something toad.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: What did you say about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I really am. But guess what, guys, there's more.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Take a listen again to lend Biland at nine twenty
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: nine AM.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: What does from Aldeheide do?
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: At nine thirty four?
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: You one first?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: How long does the na lift?
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: At nine fifty nine A can identification be made when
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: passionate remains? At eleven thirty four AM. Dismendment and the
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: best ways to dispose of avoiding at eleven forty four.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: How to put blood from wooden.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Flu at eleven fifty six On the.
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: First moment, all to detect blood at one oh eight?
• 36:20
  Speaker 16: What happens when you put body pots in a moment
• 36:23
  Speaker 16: at one one pm? Is the better the full clime
• 36:26
  Speaker 16: scene close away?
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: Or wash them?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Those one the general worst?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: little boys are left without their mother while this guy
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: is googling what does for meldehide do? How long does
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And best ways to dispose of a body? What happens
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: when you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: away crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Kendel Crown's lightning round, Doctor crowns, how long does DNA last?
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: You can find DNA ons on surfaces for years.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: What does from aldehyde do?
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: From aldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use
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  Speaker 8: to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved
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  Speaker 8: for a long periods of time.
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  Speaker 1: What happens when you put body parts totnemonia? Doctor Kendl
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  Speaker 1: Crowns That.
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  Speaker 8: One, I don't know. That's a new one to me,
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  Speaker 8: as far as I know, I stopped.
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  Speaker 1: You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen.
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  Speaker 16: One can ry third. That same day at one o
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  Speaker 16: two pm, you did some more Google searches. What happens
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  Speaker 16: to hear on a dead body at one thirteen pm?
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  Speaker 16: What is the rate of decomposition of the body found
• 37:56
  Speaker 16: in a plastic bag compared to on a service in
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  Speaker 16: the woods at one pm?
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  Speaker 1: And beating soda mask?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he is not good Ken baking soda make
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: a body a dead body smell good. These Google searches
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  Speaker 2: have led to a bombshell development in the search for
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  Speaker 2: Anna Walch. Bob Were Joining Me Boston twenty five News
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  Speaker 2: and indictment explain.
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  Speaker 7: He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators,
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: and improper disposal of a body. So his case is
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior
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  Speaker 7: Court has the authority if he is when he has
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  Speaker 7: tried and he's found guilty on first agree murder, to
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder
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  Speaker 7: for life not for all, which is the maximum sentence
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  Speaker 7: here in Massachusetts. There is no death penalty. In Massachusetts. Naty,
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: Can I just say one thing about the internet searches,
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: and it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: when I go back over this timeline and you realize
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: were three people at this party. There was Brian Anna,
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: and they had one guest in the house, and that
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: guest left the house somewhere between twelve thirty and one
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  Speaker 7: o'clock in the morning. That first search how long before
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: a body starts to smell is at four fifty five
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  Speaker 7: am on a wall. She was alive at one o'clock
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  Speaker 7: in the morning, and at four fifty five am she's gone,
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: and that search is done, and I just think about that,
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: and I think that she's in the house. They also
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: found we haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: They said that they found blood in the basement and
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: they found I think it was two bloody knives, one
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: broken bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: of ammonia in the basement of the house. So you know,
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  Speaker 7: I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: in the basement. He's killed her, and he goes and
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: he finds his kids iPad and he's doing these searches
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: within a couple of hours of his wife being there,
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: someone that he loved, and this is what he is doing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: I had a story, I broke a story about how
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: he threatened to kill her back in twenty fourteen. And
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: here he is in the first day of twenty twenty three,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: in the house with her dead body and this is
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: she isn't even cold, and he is already coming up
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: with this plan on what to do with her remains.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: You know, the depravity of this case. I've been doing
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: this for forty years, and the depravity of this case
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: to me is really just off the charts.
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  Speaker 2: The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: why why did he do this?
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: There's another detail here too, And from talking to investigators,
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: The New York Post had this, this picture you all
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: may have seen, and I talked to an investigator about this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: There was a champagne, a box of champagne from the
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: party that the New York Post got a picture of.
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: That was that was on the dining room table. I
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: went knocked on the door. When before all this blew out,
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: before everything happened, I was trying to talk to Brian.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: I did you know when she was missing?
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: And we didn't know what we.
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: up and it was still lit. You could see inside.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: found a bottle of champagne and I was still in
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: its box, and the New York Post got a picture
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: of this, and on the side of the box on
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Twenty twenty two was a tough year, but twenty twenty
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: three is going to be a great year. I love you, Anna,
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: and it had hearts written on it. And the investigator
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: that I spoke to said they believed that that was her.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Those are her last words to the world. And when
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: I look at there's another Internet search here from December
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: was found, so they didn't say if it was on
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: the kids iPad or it was on a phone or
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: a computer, but all it said was the best state
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: for a divorce for a man. So that's from December
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: twenty seventh, when Honor still alive, before the New Year's
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Anna, if this,
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: saw this coming, just came out of the blue. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: think because the story that I broke about the threat
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: that she complained back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged,
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: they were just dating. She complained to DC police that
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: he threatened to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think,
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: and I know investigators think that this is a domestic
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: violence case and there's an escalation that started then in
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: twenty eighteen, there's a selfie picture of her where she's
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: pointing at a bruise on her face and she said
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: on one of her Instagram accounts, and I think there
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: police were ever called, but something happened was going on
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: behind the scenes, and this is going to be one
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: of the things that I'm going to be watching for
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded,
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: because you don't, you don't get to this kind of
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: and this hatred to you know, I can understand a
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: moment of passion, of murder, of a moment of anger,
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: but this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: and these messages that are caught on the iPad, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: then what we've been talking about with the disposal of
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: the body, it's almost too much.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Do you blame the inmates for being angry with Brian Walsh?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, good
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  Speaker 2: bye friend,