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Hutton & Withrow: Is LSU Breaking College Football? Lane Kiffin Goes All-In as SEC Chaos Erupts | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 2: had a great evening with Clay. We drove down to
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Speaker 2: Birmingham last night. A quick turnaround.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much time we actually spent in Birmingham,
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Speaker 1: but it was great to see the boys at the
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Speaker 1: next round, next round live. who are, of course, with
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Speaker 1: Sporting State. They follow us each morning here on the network.
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Speaker 1: They had their kickoff party at walk-ons. It was a
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Speaker 1: great turnout, great to see them, and more of a toast,
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Speaker 1: if you will, to them joining us here on Sporting State.
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Speaker 1: Great to see them in person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great, Hutton, and the mornings are loaded
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Speaker 2: now at Sporting State. When you think about our show
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Speaker 2: leading right into next round live, incredible to see the
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Speaker 2: community working Those guys have built over the years, right,
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Speaker 2: from local radio and then into what they've done digitally.
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Speaker 2: And now what they're going to do with Sporting State.
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Speaker 2: Really cool to go down. It was a quick trip
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Speaker 2: for us driving down with Clay, but it was a blast.
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Speaker 2: And good seeing LT and Dunaway and Ryan Brown. And
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Speaker 2: our guy Brooks Carter also, who's doing some great work
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Speaker 2: for this show, to go down and see all those guys.
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Speaker 2: It was really cool. And all of their great fans.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing how many of them were Tennessee transplants that
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Speaker 2: have moved down to Birmingham also. So really cool to see.
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Speaker 1: Man, you made a great observation about just the city
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Speaker 1: in general, underrated, right? Just the southern cities in totality.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Birmingham would be at the top of the
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Speaker 1: list of the underrated cities for you?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I would put Birmingham right up there as a
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Speaker 2: very underrated southern city. It's amazing. We went there for
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Speaker 2: the USFL and got to experience a city that way.
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Speaker 2: And going back, you know, we, we went down for
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Speaker 2: a meeting recently too. Every time I go back, I
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Speaker 2: feel like I like it a little bit more. A
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Speaker 2: lot of times you go to a city over and over,
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Speaker 2: you like it less and less, not the case with Birmingham.
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Speaker 2: I feel like I like it more and more each time. Yeah, man,
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Speaker 2: I agree.
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Speaker 1: It's like, um, I mean, if we're comparing it to
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Speaker 1: just SEC towns, um, I don't know. I, I combined
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Speaker 1: Birmingham and Tuscaloosa, you know, like our, our buddies with, uh, Farmfolio,
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Speaker 1: Peter Curry to them. Like I view that as just
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Speaker 1: one big town. Um, I that's one of my favorite places.
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Speaker 1: I've never been to Oxford, so I can't rate that one. Um,
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Speaker 1: hopefully we get a chance to go this year though.
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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're going to go to
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Speaker 2: Oxford and here's what I, it's amazing about Birmingham. And
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Speaker 2: every time I go, I see a different part of this. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There's mountains around. It surprises me. I don't know why,
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Speaker 2: but every time like you're hitting the mountains, like mountain
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Speaker 2: Brook and all those areas, like where we were last night,
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Speaker 2: I look up and I'm like, That's a mountain. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm next to Lookout Mountain in Chattanooga.
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Speaker 2: Just the topography of the city. When you get out
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Speaker 2: of downtown, all around it are mountains, which is pretty cool,
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Speaker 2: which you don't think about Birmingham right off the bat
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Speaker 2: with some mountains around it. But there's definitely some different terrain.
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Speaker 2: when you get into Birmingham, but it was a great time. Great,
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Speaker 2: great sports, but great sports bar food last night being
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Speaker 2: served too. So good that in fact, I ordered a
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Speaker 2: couple of apps to go and both, both you and Clay,
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Speaker 2: Clay especially was like, let's get out of here. Let's go.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I got this app order. And
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Speaker 2: I think you're going to want to wait on these
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Speaker 2: sweet chili wings that I have coming. And Clay's like,
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Speaker 2: Oh no, already ate. I'm good. Let's go. Let's go.
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Speaker 2: Let's go. And I'm like, Clay, I promise you're going
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Speaker 2: to like this. We got in that, that sprinter van and,
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Speaker 2: And we devoured those wings and the cheese fries on
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Speaker 2: the way back. You picked up the van.
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Speaker 1: You picked up the food. I mean, it was top-notch, man.
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Speaker 2: Well done. You can vouch. It was well worth the
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Speaker 2: wait for those sweet chili wings. It was awesome. It
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Speaker 2: was legit. Really good. We kind of think of Next
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Speaker 2: Round Live as our spiritual brothers, right? For a long time,
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Speaker 2: even when we were doing local radio, they were kind
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Speaker 2: of the Birmingham equivalent of what we were doing same
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Speaker 2: thing for us. Like there's always been a mutual respect.
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Speaker 2: So it was good to go and actually press the flesh,
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Speaker 2: shake hands with them, see them and welcome them into
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Speaker 2: sport and state, because this is new for everyone, what
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Speaker 2: we're going to do with this network. But I think
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Speaker 2: great additions there for those guys, you know, talking about
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about them, Chad, I think, uh, I
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Speaker 2: won't say mirror images, but very similar shows, what we
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Speaker 2: were doing and what they were doing, right? Like the
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Speaker 2: same company, um, And I would say for advertising purposes,
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Speaker 2: we had more partners than we did advertisers. And that's
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Speaker 2: exactly what they do. They're an in-person type show. They
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Speaker 2: actually are friends.
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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious if you're watching a show
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Speaker 1: and you can tell if it's an arranged marriage or not.
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Speaker 1: I feel like they were very similar to us whenever
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Speaker 1: we were going through Nashville and they were in Birmingham.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got a head start on us on
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Speaker 2: radio from what they were doing a few years before.
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Speaker 2: But I remember the beginning because getting introduced to LT
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Speaker 2: through Clay when he was starting on a radio because
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Speaker 2: that was one of the first shows he ever went
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Speaker 2: on as a regular guest was their show. And he's
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Speaker 2: got a long-standing relationship with them. So it was very cool.
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Speaker 2: And I think from a college football perspective, Hutton, talking
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Speaker 2: to a lot of diehard college football fans last night,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of quiet optimism around that Alabama fan base,
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Speaker 2: similar to the way I feel about Tennessee. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot of, hey, if the quarterback is right, this offense
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Speaker 2: should hum. I think Alabama fans feel the same way
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Speaker 2: about their team. Very talented. Very favorable schedule for Alabama early.
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Speaker 2: They got a good shot at starting 5-0 this season.
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Speaker 2: I felt that confidence of Crimson Tide fans last night
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Speaker 2: down in Birmingham.
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Speaker 1: See, I don't feel that same way, that vibe that
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Speaker 1: you're getting. I think Bama fans are just high expectation anyway, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They're expecting nine wins. If they get nine wins, it's
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Speaker 1: a bad season. I feel like this offseason, we were
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Speaker 1: talking more Tennessee hoops than we were Tennessee.
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Speaker 2: Football, which is odd.
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Speaker 1: Football season is here, so I understand the talk is
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Speaker 1: about football, but the last few months have been all
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Speaker 1: about basketball and recruiting. It's really been interesting how it's
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Speaker 1: shifted to the Final Four vibe than, you know, which
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Speaker 1: we didn't really talk to quarterback much until the last month.
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Speaker 2: Or so, you know? I think a big part of that, Hutton,
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Speaker 2: is the quarterback situation because it's two guys who are
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Speaker 2: already on campus. You knew about George McIntyre for the
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Speaker 2: last three years if you follow Tennessee football, even going
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Speaker 2: back to the high school ranks where he was committed
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Speaker 2: for a long time. You knew about Faison Brandon. Faison
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Speaker 2: Brandon's been committed for two years. It's not like it's
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Speaker 2: a surprise to George McIntyre that he was going to
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Speaker 2: be there, right? He committed a long time ago before
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Speaker 2: his senior year of high school. and never wavered from
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Speaker 2: that commitment to Tennessee as a five-star-plus quarterback because there
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Speaker 2: was nothing new about it. You're not talking about, we're
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Speaker 2: going to get into some of these high-paid quarterbacks in
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Speaker 2: college football. Most of them are transfers. One-time transfer, end
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Speaker 2: of their career, going somewhere to solve a problem for
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Speaker 2: a school. Tennessee didn't have that, so I do think
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Speaker 2: that kind of hindered all the talk about them in
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Speaker 2: the preseason. So they're scheduled to open up Bama's. Let's
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Speaker 2: go Bama's.
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Speaker 1: East Carolina, they're hosting East Carolina to begin with. You
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Speaker 1: mentioned 5-0. I'm very intrigued by this because of the
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Speaker 1: way they got thought by Indiana in the playoff. And
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Speaker 1: so they're hosting East Carolina, going to Kentucky, which is
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Speaker 1: interesting because you don't really know what Kentucky's going to
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Speaker 1: be about with the new coach, right?
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Speaker 2: New quarterback. Will Stein, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Florida State. And then South Carolina and Mississippi State. So
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Speaker 1: you've always pointed to the Georgia Tech game for Tennessee
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Speaker 1: as the marker of really determining success, failure, based on
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Speaker 1: the win-loss. If Bama's not 5-0, what does that mean
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Speaker 1: for them? Because the backstretch, man, Georgia, Tennessee, A & M, LSU, Vandy, Auburn.
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Speaker 2: Is Georgia in Tuscaloosa or in Athens? Is that home
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Speaker 2: or away? Okay, so that's good. They're in Knoxville, I
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Speaker 2: know that. Um, it's a really brutal stretch. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: After the five games, you're right about the five and O,
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Speaker 1: but I mean, I could see them stubbing their toe
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Speaker 1: in one of these games.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, for sure. I think Kentucky's the big
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Speaker 2: X factor, Florida state. I mean, you got Mike Norvell
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Speaker 2: with his backup against the wall. I don't have a
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Speaker 2: lot of faith that he's going to save his job,
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Speaker 2: but that's a guy who needs that win. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there are some potential landmines there for sure.
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Speaker 1: Carolina, the same way, you know, uh, I feel more
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Speaker 1: optimism about Tennessee than I do Bama, quite frankly.
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Speaker 2: I don't, and I think it's probably because of the schedule.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I just think if you
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Speaker 2: can get off– every year I look at this, that
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Speaker 2: early schedule is so important. And I just look at
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Speaker 2: Alabama and I say, okay, Keelan Russell is a five-star
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Speaker 2: guy too. David in the chat right now– you can
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Speaker 2: join us there, by the way, every day in the
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Speaker 2: YouTube chat. David says, Alabama must prove they can run
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Speaker 2: the ball. better before I'm a believer. I agree with that.
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Speaker 2: The knock on Kalen DeBoer's teams have been a lack
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Speaker 2: of physicality. They can't run. They can't get two yards
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Speaker 2: when they need it. I think Keelan Russell, though, adds
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Speaker 2: that running dimension to the Alabama offense. That's going to
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Speaker 2: help them immensely. I'll say this too, man. The the
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Speaker 2: Bama teams, even Saban's final two or three seasons, they
10:20
Speaker 2: started to get these weird penalties. We just didn't really
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Speaker 2: see this from a Saban team. The unforced errors, the
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Speaker 2: lackadaisical penalties, substitution infractions, or personal fouls, or whatever. They
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Speaker 2: would end up with 10 to 12 penalties a game.
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Speaker 2: And they're still kind of that way. It's kind of
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Speaker 2: I don't know. They've kind of regressed to the mean
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Speaker 2: in regards to that. Because they used to always be
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Speaker 2: really buttoned up. I feel like Georgia's kind of that way.
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Speaker 2: We'll see about LSU.
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Speaker 1: But point being, Bama's always been very good. How many
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Speaker 1: times did we talk about the refs and taking on
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Speaker 1: Bama and saving all that? Now it's not the case.
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Speaker 1: I don't see the same discipline anymore. that was once there,
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Speaker 1: the culture, so to speak. It's not a huge factor,
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Speaker 1: but it's a factor than pulling a first down back,
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Speaker 1: pulling a touchdown off the board, or a field goal
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Speaker 1: off the board.
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Speaker 2: That affects them on game day. Yeah, Georgia's really buttoned
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Speaker 2: up until it's time to get behind the wheel of
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Speaker 2: their car. Other than that, they're very buttoned up on
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Speaker 2: the field. They're good between the hedges. It does feel
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Speaker 2: like there's less beating themselves for Georgia, the way it
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Speaker 2: was under Nick Saban. With Alabama for so long. Chad,
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Speaker 2: coming up, LSU takes on everyone. And I'm asking the question,
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Speaker 2: what is their endgame here? Because they are literally doing
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Speaker 2: everything based, I guess, on the governor. And it's middle
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Speaker 2: fingers in the air. That's straight ahead here on Sports
12:01
Speaker 2: State and Huntley Withrow. It's Huntley Withrow. We are presented
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Speaker 2: by Hard Rock Bets. Good morning to everyone. Hope the
12:09
Speaker 2: Friday is going very well.
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Speaker 1: Chad and I are powering through after a great time
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Speaker 1: in Birmingham last night, back in Nashville. Chad, so we've
12:20
Speaker 1: got plenty to get to today. We've got RG3 talking
12:23
Speaker 1: to Sean Watson and whether or not his head coach
12:26
Speaker 1: actually wanted him to start. ESPN's doing away with the
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Speaker 1: ticker at the bottom of the screen, I think during
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Speaker 1: college football games, but we will dive into that later.
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Speaker 1: A lot of discussion with LSU. And I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out, what is their endgame here? Because they paid
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Speaker 1: $ 53 million to Brian Kelly. They then disrupted and distracted,
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Speaker 1: however you want to phrase this, a historic season for
12:55
Speaker 1: Ole Miss by going in and grabbing their coach and
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Speaker 1: their coach choosing to go to LSU instead of coach
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Speaker 1: for a national title at Ole Miss. they spend nearly
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Speaker 1: double the amount of revenue, that revenue share budget, or
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Speaker 1: whatever they want to call it, which is what, $ 17 million?
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Speaker 1: They're upwards of like $ 50 million on this roster now.
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Speaker 2: They vote to.
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Speaker 1: Not allow professional players back into the SEC, but then
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Speaker 1: abstain from voting.
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Speaker 2: on the punishment.
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Speaker 1: You have Will Wade, who's adding all these players, you know,
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Speaker 1: whether or not it's, it's eligible or ineligible. And, you know,
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Speaker 1: I would also add this, man, the SEC has always
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Speaker 1: been very, very much in lockstep, right? Like program to program. Ross,
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Speaker 1: you've got the presidents, the chancellors, the 80s, everybody just
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Speaker 1: kind of marches to the same beat. And, Now you've
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Speaker 1: got the governor running. It's just bizarre how they're approaching
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Speaker 1: things specifically LSU, and then you have everyone else that's
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Speaker 1: kind of just over it, right? Like, specifically Sankey, but
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Speaker 1: literally every other program, I'm assuming, is just tired of
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Speaker 1: the BS. LSU, Hutton, is living in this weird bubble
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Speaker 1: that they've created. And they act like— I don't know
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Speaker 1: what their endgame is, though. Like, where does this kind
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Speaker 1: of settle for them, you know?
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Speaker 2: They act like the bubble, though, is all of college sports.
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Speaker 2: They continue to conflate what's actually happening. There are issues
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Speaker 2: that cover all of college sports. They are the only
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Speaker 2: ones that are attempting to do this. They're the ones
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Speaker 2: that are going to the NFL players, trying to get
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Speaker 2: them to file motions to get eligible. And because of that,
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Speaker 2: it's caused this logjam of a mess that no one
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Speaker 2: else in the sport wants. Even the ones who are
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Speaker 2: somewhat agreeable to it are like, we hate it. But
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Speaker 2: if LSU is going to get all of them, then
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Speaker 2: we should be allowed to get some too. Or we're
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Speaker 2: going to go ahead and recruit some of those guys
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Speaker 2: also if they're eligible. But we don't want them eligible.
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Speaker 2: No one else wants them eligible. And then Lane Kiffin
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Speaker 2: goes on Pat McAfee and acts like, I'm just doing
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Speaker 2: what the sport does. It's unfortunate we're in this situation.
15:21
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, you are the puppeteer of all of this.
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Speaker 2: You're the one doing it.
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Speaker 1: He literally told players at Tennessee on his way out,
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, don't go to class so
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Speaker 1: you can follow me.
15:33
Speaker 2: He's a POS. Like, I'm sorry, let's call him. Like,
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Speaker 2: the dude can't do yoga and then all of a
15:38
Speaker 2: sudden do a sit-down with Ryan McGee on a documentary
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Speaker 2: and everybody believe that he's this changed guy. Deep down,
15:46
Speaker 2: he is going to do everything in his power. He
15:48
Speaker 2: does not care about people. Everybody on that team is
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Speaker 2: a chess piece to him. He is putting chess pieces
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Speaker 2: in position to win a national title. That's his ultimate goal.
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Speaker 2: If you're a fan of the school he coaches, you
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Speaker 2: love that about him because he's going to win.
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Speaker 1: He's also the guy that if Alabama came open and
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Speaker 1: they went after him, he would leave LSU.
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Speaker 2: Of course. After all these chess pieces. He would leave
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Speaker 2: them unless he gave them everything he wanted. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how you could be more happy about the situation
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Speaker 2: than he is at LSU right now, considering they're willing
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Speaker 2: to make themselves look like idiots, which they are, to
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Speaker 2: protect him. Yeah, and even the governor, Jeff Landry.
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Speaker 1: The governor needs no help making himself look like a moron.
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Speaker 1: But I'm saying he's bitching about the contracts, and then
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Speaker 1: they double down on the contracts.
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Speaker 2: He bitched about guaranteed money for Brian Kelly and said
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Speaker 2: that he's going to come in and clean things up
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Speaker 2: and make sure that doesn't happen. And what he does
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Speaker 2: is he goes and gives Lane Kiffin more guaranteed money
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Speaker 2: as he's paying Brian Kelly. They tried to fire Brian
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Speaker 2: Kelly with cause. They can't do that. So now they've
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Speaker 2: got to pay Brian Kelly the money and pay Lane
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Speaker 2: Kiffin the money. And if they have to fire Lane Kiffin,
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Speaker 2: they're going to have to pay him even more money.
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Speaker 2: You've got the governor quoting saying, don't hate the player,
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Speaker 2: hate the game. Hate the game. When he's talking about this. Hun,
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Speaker 2: I am so confused day to day. You know, the
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Speaker 2: NCAA got a rare win when they got that stay
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Speaker 2: that makes all the fifth-year players ineligible, Jalen Washington, Tennessee
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Speaker 2: being one of them. I can't even talk about that.
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Speaker 2: We had that on a rundown of a subject to
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Speaker 2: talk about. You know why I didn't put it on there?
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Speaker 2: Because it's probably going to change over the course of
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Speaker 2: the show. Someone else is going to get an injunction granted,
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Speaker 2: and then he's going to be eligible again. And then
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Speaker 2: over the weekend, he's going to be ineligible again. And
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Speaker 2: then next Wednesday, they're going to say he's eligible again.
17:32
Speaker 2: Here's what I don't understand. And this is a report
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Speaker 2: from ESPN. A Dallas judge signed an order Thursday, going
17:37
Speaker 2: back to Lane Kiffin and bringing NFL players back to college.
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Speaker 2: A Dallas judge signed an order Thursday that prohibits the
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Speaker 2: NCAA from the NCAA and its commissioner, Greg Sankey, from
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Speaker 2: stopping a group of athletes from returning to college sports
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Speaker 2: for one more season of play. Tom Mars is a
17:53
Speaker 2: guy that I respect, and I follow him on Twitter legally.
17:58
Speaker 2: Tom Mars brings up this analogy. There is no question
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Speaker 2: that a homeowners association could prohibit people from parking RVs
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Speaker 2: in their driveways, and assess them $ 1, 000 a month for
18:09
Speaker 2: every month they did so. Even if a local judge
18:12
Speaker 2: issued a TRO or preliminary injunction preventing the HOA from
18:15
Speaker 2: preventing people from parking RVs in their driveway or assessing
18:20
Speaker 2: a fine if they did, there is no appellate court
18:23
Speaker 2: in the nation that would uphold that TRO or preliminary injunction.
18:27
Speaker 2: Why is this situation any different with the SEC just
18:30
Speaker 2: because it involves college sports? He hits the nail on
18:33
Speaker 2: the head right there. I don't understand any law of
18:36
Speaker 2: the land that would prohibit the SEC of league from
18:41
Speaker 2: making their own rules about this. They're not saying these
18:44
Speaker 2: guys can't play college football somewhere else. They're saying they
18:48
Speaker 2: can't play in their conference. But if they do, there's
18:51
Speaker 2: going to be major penalties for the school that rosters them.
18:55
Speaker 2: If Lane Kiffin wants to take a half-season suspension, then
18:58
Speaker 2: he can roster all these guys he wants. If they
19:00
Speaker 2: mean that much to them.
19:02
Speaker 1: So that report goes on to say, and again, I
19:06
Speaker 1: feel the same way you do and the way Mars
19:09
Speaker 1: is describing, but the order specifically says that the NCAA, SEC,
19:14
Speaker 1: and Sankey cannot block the players' return based on transfer
19:18
Speaker 1: portal rules or their time.
19:21
Speaker 2: On a pro roster.
19:22
Speaker 1: It also states that if any of those groups want
19:25
Speaker 1: to prohibit any of the plaintiffs for a different reason,
19:29
Speaker 1: they would need to come to court and argue their
19:32
Speaker 1: case in front of the judge.
19:33
Speaker 2: So this is, by the way, this is for every sport.
19:37
Speaker 1: There are upwards of 40, I think, 40 some odd
19:43
Speaker 1: plaintiffs in this, including women's basketball players. The list goes
19:48
Speaker 1: on and on. More than football is what I'm saying.
19:54
Speaker 1: This is just about football, though. What we're seeing from
19:59
Speaker 1: Sankey and the SEC, I realize they put WNBA and
20:03
Speaker 1: all that in there. This is about what we're seeing
20:05
Speaker 1: at LSU specifically.
20:08
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what, you know, Mars used the HOA
20:11
Speaker 2: analogy on this, right? Like, you could go, you could
20:13
Speaker 2: get mad. Like, Jonathan Hutton buys an RV, or JT
20:17
Speaker 2: buys an RV, let's say, decides to park it in
20:19
Speaker 2: his driveway. And then his HOA says, hey, JT, you
20:22
Speaker 2: can't do that. JT gets pissy and says, no, I
20:25
Speaker 2: can't do that. This is America. And last time I checked,
20:28
Speaker 2: I live in America, and I own this lot, so
20:30
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. JT then goes and gets
20:32
Speaker 2: a TRO. He gets an injunction from one court that says, hey,
20:35
Speaker 2: there's a TRO issue. stopping the HOA from levying penalties
20:39
Speaker 2: or fines for JT to park his RV in the driveway,
20:45
Speaker 2: if they went further to an appellate court, Tom Mars
20:47
Speaker 2: is saying this is not going to stand up. Emphasis
20:51
Speaker 2: on temporary. This is a temporary restraining order, but no
20:54
Speaker 2: appellate court judge is going to uphold this and stop
20:58
Speaker 2: the SEC from doing it.
20:59
Speaker 1: But it's like by the time this all wraps up,
21:02
Speaker 1: the season's over. Like they've played it. And I'm trying
21:07
Speaker 1: to figure out, so the judge is Judge Martin Hoffman.
21:09
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out his tie. It's more than Dallas.
21:13
Speaker 1: There's got to be something involved here with where he
21:16
Speaker 1: went to school or something. Funny enough, he served as
21:20
Speaker 1: president of the Dallas Homeowners League.
21:23
Speaker 2: Can we talk about corruption in the court system too
21:25
Speaker 2: here for a second? Because I'm thinking all of these guys,
21:29
Speaker 2: it's not a coincidence where they're filing. Right. Like they
21:32
Speaker 2: filed in Baton Rouge. Yeah. And they get what they want.
21:35
Speaker 2: And also, how did the Knoxville judge rule against Joey Aguilar?
21:38
Speaker 2: I'm still shocked about that. Like we all just assumed
21:41
Speaker 2: he's going to be eligible and come back. And, you know,
21:44
Speaker 2: in the courtroom, he didn't get a hug from everyone
21:46
Speaker 2: like Will Wade did. But with R.J. Lewis, he got a, no,
21:49
Speaker 2: you're actually not eligible. Hey, kudos to the Knox County
21:52
Speaker 2: judge who's not going to bend his will to the
21:56
Speaker 2: university and their football team. But who's this dude in
21:59
Speaker 2: Dallas as Tom Morris is calling out the judge?
22:01
Speaker 1: I mean, his bio is legit, man. He's on the
22:05
Speaker 1: board for the lawyer. He's on the law board. I mean, again,
22:11
Speaker 1: for Texas, I'm saying. He wins outstanding trial judge awards.
22:17
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did Jeff Landry hand him that award
22:22
Speaker 2: at some point? Did Governor Jeff Landry put that medal
22:25
Speaker 2: around his neck when he won that award? I just
22:27
Speaker 2: feel like LSU is orchestrating all of this. And if
22:30
Speaker 2: you're looking for a boogeyman of college football today, it's
22:33
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin. It's the governor of Louisiana. It's everyone involved
22:38
Speaker 2: in this. I am rooting hard against LSU this year
22:41
Speaker 2: for this reason only. I'm fascinated by them. They're going
22:44
Speaker 2: to be a must-watch. I think it's going to be
22:49
Speaker 2: a year-round circus, too. Absolutely, man. You've got the defensive
22:52
Speaker 2: end who got two sacks in an NFL preseason game
22:55
Speaker 2: saying that if he's not picked up by another NFL team,
22:58
Speaker 2: then he's going to go play for Lane Kiffin this
22:59
Speaker 2: year at LSU also. It's going to be a circus
23:03
Speaker 2: that I'm not going to be able to take my
23:04
Speaker 2: eyes off of. I also hope for the good of
23:07
Speaker 2: the sport that all of this backfires against them. But Hutton,
23:11
Speaker 2: the other possibility, we talked about this on the Drive
23:13
Speaker 2: to Birmingham yesterday. The other possibility is it works and
23:15
Speaker 2: works big time, and they go on to win the
23:17
Speaker 2: SEC this year. It could keep a drive alive.
23:20
Speaker 1: They may not score a touchdown for the game winner,
23:23
Speaker 1: but they keep a drive alive throughout a game that
23:25
Speaker 1: otherwise a player wouldn't be in position. There are layers
23:30
Speaker 1: to it, and when you start thinking about what LSU needs,
23:36
Speaker 1: they're piecing things together very well. Now, I will say,
23:39
Speaker 1: like I said this yesterday, if I was the Big 12,
23:42
Speaker 1: I would let people in. I would go against what
23:47
Speaker 1: the ACC has done, which is just copy the SEC
23:49
Speaker 1: and the Big Ten. I would go ahead and let
23:52
Speaker 1: some players into my conference just based on the fact
23:56
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to raise the bar of play and
24:00
Speaker 1: the scope of solid football from top to bottom.
24:05
Speaker 2: That would be my deal. No one cares about your principles, ACC.
24:11
Speaker 2: No one cares about your principals either, Big 12. I mean,
24:13
Speaker 2: I kind of get it. Like, if you're them and
24:15
Speaker 2: you're still reeling from that $ 20 million across all teams
24:19
Speaker 2: deal with Monster Energy and you need something else, like,
24:23
Speaker 2: if you want to help, hey, help a brother out.
24:25
Speaker 2: Texas Tech seems to be like the program that's willing
24:27
Speaker 2: to go all in that could win a national title
24:30
Speaker 2: at some point for your conference. So help out Texas Tech.
24:33
Speaker 2: If everything falls through, the SEC, Big Ten, ACC– Maybe
24:36
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, who has the money, can go and get
24:39
Speaker 2: all these NFL guys to join their team, and they
24:42
Speaker 2: could be the big.
24:42
Speaker 1: Bad villain of college football the way LSU's become. Hey,
24:45
Speaker 1: we mentioned ACC. Let me bring this up real quick.
24:47
Speaker 1: ACC innovation here. The very rare ACC mention where I
24:53
Speaker 1: think the power two should follow suit. I love what
24:57
Speaker 1: they've done with this, with their broadcast. They are going
25:00
Speaker 1: to expand their enhanced replay program. for this upcoming season.
25:04
Speaker 1: They've decided this. Did you catch this last year? I did, yes.
25:10
Speaker 2: I saw way too many ACC games on the CW
25:13
Speaker 2: last year, I do confess. I find myself drifting to
25:16
Speaker 2: the CW on a lot of fall afternoons.
25:19
Speaker 1: So they're going to have 27 total games that will
25:21
Speaker 1: include this, but more or less you go under the
25:23
Speaker 1: hood with the official, and then he's talking to you know,
25:29
Speaker 1: the voice of reason. I think it's the ACC headquarters.
25:33
Speaker 1: I don't think it's up top in the stadium. But
25:36
Speaker 1: they walk you through what they're seeing and how they
25:39
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out whether or not a challenge
25:42
Speaker 1: is worthy or if they're going to overturn a call.
25:46
Speaker 1: The Big 12 is going to do this now. They're
25:49
Speaker 1: going to follow suit, which I think is, again, the
25:53
Speaker 1: more access, the better in this regard. And this is
25:57
Speaker 1: where college football is ahead of the game with the NFL.
26:00
Speaker 1: I think the more access when it comes to overturning calls,
26:03
Speaker 1: what they're actually thinking, how they're trying to differentiate making
26:08
Speaker 1: a call here versus what to catch over here, that's
26:12
Speaker 1: what I want. And I hope we get to a
26:13
Speaker 1: point where the SEC and the Big Ten will do this. Transparency,
26:17
Speaker 1: that's what we're looking for. And if they're talking to
26:22
Speaker 1: the conference officials at I'd love to hear it. I
26:27
Speaker 1: like the fact that they can pipe in the audio.
26:29
Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't do it for every game,
26:31
Speaker 1: but I like the fact that they're up in their game.
26:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I like transparency. I like you, Hutton. I
26:37
Speaker 2: think it's great. I like when anybody tries to innovate,
26:41
Speaker 2: especially if you're the ACC or the Big 12. I'm
26:45
Speaker 2: never going to dump on somebody for trying something. And
26:48
Speaker 2: I like that they're trying this and showing it. I
26:50
Speaker 2: will say, however, though, we're in the van driving back
26:53
Speaker 2: from Birmingham last night as a great example. We're watching
26:55
Speaker 2: the end of Dodgers-Braves. Braves end up getting the sweep
26:58
Speaker 2: over the Dodgers in Atlanta. 1-0 game. Chris Sale has
27:01
Speaker 2: gone into the ninth trying to complete the game. There
27:04
Speaker 2: is a bang-bang double play that looks like it ends
27:07
Speaker 2: the game. Matt Olsen is fully outstretched at 6'5. Looks
27:11
Speaker 2: like his toe, his big toe, stays on the bag
27:14
Speaker 2: as he catches it in time. And he immediately calls
27:17
Speaker 2: for the review. As they say safe, he's like, review it.
27:20
Speaker 2: Run it back. That's ballgame. Game over. They've reviewed it
27:23
Speaker 2: for like five minutes. It was a long review for
27:25
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball purposes. And I will say that as
27:29
Speaker 2: a viewer of that and all of us there, we
27:31
Speaker 2: are enthralled with a long review. When we don't know
27:34
Speaker 2: what's being said and don't know what's happening, it's just
27:37
Speaker 2: the fans in the stadium reacting to the replay over
27:40
Speaker 2: and over from all the different angles. There's something to
27:44
Speaker 2: be said for mystery. At times in sports, I like
27:47
Speaker 2: what the ACC is doing. I love transparency. Don't get
27:50
Speaker 2: me wrong on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That last night,
27:53
Speaker 2: the first time I've been thinking, I'm like, I actually
27:54
Speaker 2: like the intrigue that we don't know what they're going
27:57
Speaker 2: to say when they come out of this review. And
28:00
Speaker 2: sure enough, they came out. We thought he was out.
28:02
Speaker 2: And they say, after review, the ruling stands, he's safe.
28:05
Speaker 2: At first, the game went on. Chris Sell strikes out
28:07
Speaker 2: the next batter. Ball game over. Brave sweep. chop on
28:10
Speaker 2: my Atlanta Braves. Huge, huge three-game sweep of the Dodgers. But, Hun,
28:15
Speaker 2: that was fun to watch during that time. I'm just
28:18
Speaker 2: speculating what happened.
28:19
Speaker 1: I like the camera shots of the coaches and players
28:22
Speaker 1: not knowing, but I get to listen in. You know,
28:26
Speaker 1: like the suspense of what they're going through. Also, shut
28:28
Speaker 1: up Chris Sale, who hit 100 miles per hour.
28:30
Speaker 2: At 37 years old. And in the ninth inning. I mean,
28:36
Speaker 2: he was getting up around 100 miles. He was 98,
28:38
Speaker 2: 99 in the ninth inning. That was only the ninth.
28:42
Speaker 2: This is what's crazy about Major League Baseball now. That
28:45
Speaker 2: was the ninth complete game for a pitcher this season.
28:48
Speaker 2: That's it. Of all the games in Major League Baseball,
28:52
Speaker 2: Chris Sale completed the game in a 1-0 shutout. You
28:55
Speaker 2: don't see it that much anymore. The days of Nolan
28:56
Speaker 2: Ryan are gone, of everybody not wanting to come out
28:59
Speaker 2: of the game, right? I mean, they're on a pitch
29:01
Speaker 2: count now. All these dudes. But that was pretty cool
29:03
Speaker 2: to see last night. Chris Salen, I think 37 years old,
29:07
Speaker 2: battling through that. Like you said, incredible.
29:11
Speaker 1: I'm looking up how many shutouts. There were 193 shutouts
29:14
Speaker 1: recorded in the 1999 baseball season.
29:19
Speaker 2: Wow. That was our era too, Hud. That was our time.
29:24
Speaker 2: What a time to be alive. Yeah. And how many
29:28
Speaker 2: this year? Nine? Nine. Yeah, and what's crazy is that
29:32
Speaker 2: was like the tail end. No, that was in the
29:34
Speaker 2: middle of the Royd era also with all those shutouts.
29:37
Speaker 2: I mean, that was right after the home run chase.
29:39
Speaker 2: This is Wikipedia.
29:40
Speaker 1: A total of 193 shutouts were recorded across the regular
29:44
Speaker 1: season during the 1999 MLB season.
29:46
Speaker 2: That's nuts. McGuire and Sosa was 98. That was their
29:49
Speaker 2: home run season the year before that they had the chase. So, wow.
29:55
Speaker 2: It was cool to see last night, and it felt
29:57
Speaker 2: like October baseball. in that series with those two teams.
30:00
Speaker 2: They're both really good. I don't think the Dodgers are
30:03
Speaker 2: going to be fine, even after this three-game sweep. I've
30:06
Speaker 2: got no concerns about them moving forward with that roster,
30:09
Speaker 2: that lineup, those pitchers. I mean, every night they're throwing out.
30:12
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, oh, okay. Tyler Glass now is
30:15
Speaker 2: pitching tonight. He's making a lot of money. Oh, Yamamoto,
30:19
Speaker 2: this guy's making a lot of money. Just on down
30:21
Speaker 2: the list of dudes they have that they can throw
30:23
Speaker 2: at you is incredible. But for now... Go Braves. Huge
30:28
Speaker 2: series sweep. Chop on. Chop on, baby.
30:31
Speaker 1: Coming up, RG3 with interesting insight on what's going on
30:37
Speaker 1: with the Browns. And he immediately jumps out on social
30:40
Speaker 1: media when they named Deshaun Watson the starter and said,
30:43
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now the head coach did
30:45
Speaker 1: not want to make this decision. He wanted to go
30:48
Speaker 1: the other direction. I want to discuss this because this
30:51
Speaker 1: is not going to end well. It already is going
30:53
Speaker 1: to be a total disaster. But The idea that we're
30:58
Speaker 1: paying this guy, so let's play him in his final year.
31:02
Speaker 1: I don't know why that makes any sense. Although, you know,
31:06
Speaker 1: playing Shador might not either. We discuss that next year
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Speaker 2: not a promise to make alone. Hutton, I've got a
32:49
Speaker 2: promise for you. I'm going to feel a heck of
32:51
Speaker 2: a lot better when I sneeze. I know you battle
32:54
Speaker 2: allergies also, and I've got the morning sneeze that needs
32:58
Speaker 2: to come out right now. I don't know if it
32:59
Speaker 2: was the Birmingham air or what it is, but if
33:02
Speaker 2: I sneeze once or twice, I'm going to feel so
33:04
Speaker 2: much better. So I'm promising you right now that if
33:07
Speaker 2: you see me looking up at a light, because that's
33:09
Speaker 2: a trick that I've learned when you're about to sneeze,
33:12
Speaker 2: I'm not having some sort of episode. I'm actually just
33:16
Speaker 2: trying to get a sneeze out at some point, and
33:18
Speaker 2: I'm going to feel glorious. the moment that happened. So
33:21
Speaker 2: I give you full rights to do the play-by-play of
33:23
Speaker 2: me sneezing if I mute this mic to sneeze at
33:25
Speaker 2: some point. But it's badly needed this morning. I know
33:28
Speaker 2: people with allergies out there are feeling my pain. Chime
33:30
Speaker 2: in on the YouTube chat if you've got allergies too
33:32
Speaker 2: and you know what it's like to get that morning
33:34
Speaker 2: sneeze out of the way and feel so much better.
33:36
Speaker 1: So I looked up how to avoid or how to
33:40
Speaker 1: stop an impending sneeze. It says pinch your nose, Press
33:46
Speaker 1: your tongue to the roof of your mouth or avoid
33:49
Speaker 1: bright lights, it says. I'd always heard look at a
33:52
Speaker 1: light as well. Well, avoid bright lights to stop the sneeze.
34:02
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sneeze.
34:03
Speaker 2: Oh, you want to get it done? So I look
34:04
Speaker 2: at a bright light, yes. It's good to look up
34:06
Speaker 2: at a light to help a sneeze come along. And
34:09
Speaker 2: I've got bright lights in front of me too. But
34:11
Speaker 2: if I look into the bright light, it might help
34:12
Speaker 2: me sneeze. I want to sneeze. Do it right now.
34:16
Speaker 2: I'd love for it to be during one of our breaks,
34:18
Speaker 2: but that's not really happening for me. It feels like
34:20
Speaker 2: every time we start talking, I'm about to sneeze. But, Hunt,
34:22
Speaker 2: if it happens, I am going to feel glorious. Try
34:25
Speaker 2: to do it right now.
34:26
Speaker 1: Look at that light as I tell you what RG3
34:29
Speaker 1: immediately said about Todd Munkin.
34:32
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Mark in the chat, our guy Mark Herman says,
34:36
Speaker 2: looking at a light can trigger the photic sneeze reflex.
34:39
Speaker 2: Works better with the sun, though. I'm going to do
34:41
Speaker 2: a remote broadcast, guys. It's sunny outside right now here
34:44
Speaker 2: at my house. I'm going to take this in the
34:45
Speaker 2: second half of the show and just go outside and
34:47
Speaker 2: look at the sun the entire time and try to sneeze.
34:49
Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Jacob's going to love that
34:51
Speaker 2: once I bring this show outside. Watch your camera freeze
34:55
Speaker 2: right as you do that, too. I'm feeling better now.
34:57
Speaker 2: This is like therapy for allergies. Like talking through it? Yeah,
35:00
Speaker 2: I'm talking through it. Now all of a sudden I
35:01
Speaker 2: don't feel the need to sneeze as much as I
35:03
Speaker 2: have the entire show. All I need to do, Hunt,
35:05
Speaker 2: is sit down and talk to you about it. So
35:06
Speaker 2: thank you for listening. I appreciate that.
35:09
Speaker 1: So, RG3, when Deshaun Watson was named the QB1 in Cleveland,
35:15
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous because he's already alienated himself with the
35:18
Speaker 1: fans and he's going to get booed. He's playing 17
35:22
Speaker 1: road games, basically.
35:25
Speaker 2: This is RG3. He says, Sources.
35:28
Speaker 1: Tell me Deshaun Watson was not, he put this on
35:30
Speaker 1: all caps, was not Todd Munkin's choice as the starter.
35:35
Speaker 2: And many in the building.
35:36
Speaker 1: thought Shador Sanders was the right move for the team,
35:40
Speaker 1: on and off the field, after Watson attacked the fans.
35:44
Speaker 1: Browns want Deshaun to play for his pay. The fans
35:48
Speaker 1: deserve better. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I
35:52
Speaker 1: remember Haslam, the owner, admitting that they made a mistake
35:57
Speaker 1: and they need to learn from it whenever they signed
35:59
Speaker 1: the contract with Watson. That was like a year ago,
36:03
Speaker 1: and now they want him to play for his pay?
36:08
Speaker 2: What are they doing?
36:10
Speaker 1: I think that as far as talent around the quarterback goes,
36:15
Speaker 1: Cleveland's pretty far down the list. They may be 32
36:17
Speaker 1: in the league when it comes down to just best
36:21
Speaker 1: players around a quarterback. Supporting cast, I guess you could
36:25
Speaker 1: call it.
36:26
Speaker 2: They're awful.
36:27
Speaker 1: They just got rid of Miles Garrett as well. And
36:31
Speaker 1: it's not like Watson is good. I mean, he has
36:35
Speaker 1: sucked in since we last saw him in Houston in 2019.
36:38
Speaker 1: And Shador wasn't great, but he wasn't awful based on
36:44
Speaker 1: just reading off a stat sheet. It doesn't look like
36:47
Speaker 1: Shador has sucked. I don't understand how you make this decision.
36:53
Speaker 1: And if RG3 is correct, and I guess he played
36:56
Speaker 1: for Munkin at some point, why would you hire a
37:01
Speaker 1: coach and then come in after a quarterback battle, after
37:06
Speaker 1: your quarterback stood up in front of the media and
37:08
Speaker 1: said what he said about the fans, and then immediately
37:10
Speaker 1: name him the starter.
37:12
Speaker 2: It feels like self-sabotage. It's stupid. Yeah, it's weird. I
37:18
Speaker 2: don't buy the RG3 argument. I mean, he would have
37:22
Speaker 2: more connections than no. Yeah, I mean, he immediately said this.
37:26
Speaker 2: But also, it's hard to, unless there's been a complete
37:29
Speaker 2: change of heart or Jimmy Haslam just lying through his teeth,
37:32
Speaker 2: because here's the quote you referenced, Sutton. This was at
37:35
Speaker 2: the 2025 annual NFL meetings in March of 2025. Haslam
37:40
Speaker 2: told reporters, quote, we took a big swing and miss
37:43
Speaker 2: with Deshaun. There we go. We thought we had the quarterback.
37:46
Speaker 2: We didn't. We thought we had the quarterback. We didn't.
37:48
Speaker 2: And we gave up a lot of draft picks to
37:50
Speaker 2: get him. So we've now got to dig ourselves out
37:53
Speaker 2: of that hole. That does not sound like an owner
37:56
Speaker 2: or a guy that is trying to dig themselves out
37:58
Speaker 2: of the hole by making a guy play for his
38:01
Speaker 2: money in the last year of the contract that you've
38:03
Speaker 2: paid him. I don't buy that argument. Haslam also said
38:07
Speaker 2: it was a collective organizational choice, but the decision ultimately
38:10
Speaker 2: rests with him and his wife and co-owner Dee Haslam.
38:13
Speaker 2: telling fans to hold them accountable more than anyone else.
38:16
Speaker 2: No problem. Browns fans have definitely held Jimmy Haslam accountable
38:19
Speaker 2: for that decision and a lot of other decisions with
38:22
Speaker 2: the Browns organization. It feels like self-sabotage because none of
38:26
Speaker 2: it makes sense based on the timing of the comments
38:29
Speaker 2: about Cleveland fans, about it being personal with them booing him.
38:33
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're accomplishing by starting him. All
38:36
Speaker 2: it does really is probably help Deshaun Watson out. maybe
38:40
Speaker 2: get a shot somewhere else because he's not staying in Cleveland.
38:43
Speaker 2: You're not resigning him. This is the last year of
38:45
Speaker 2: that guaranteed contract. If he goes out and plays well,
38:48
Speaker 2: someone's probably going to take a chance on him to
38:49
Speaker 2: be a starter in a situation where they desperately need
38:52
Speaker 2: a starter for a year or two. But it's not
38:54
Speaker 2: going to be in Cleveland. It doesn't help you at all.
38:59
Speaker 2: I try to understand motivations, and I feel like if
39:02
Speaker 2: I understand your motivation, I know a lot about you.
39:06
Speaker 2: I don't even understand the motivation right now for the
39:09
Speaker 2: Browns organization because you need to find out what you
39:12
Speaker 2: have with Shador Sanders, as you said. I mean, if
39:14
Speaker 2: that's something that's even a possibility, you're going to have
39:17
Speaker 2: to find out about it, right? Here in Nashville with
39:20
Speaker 2: Cam Ward, there's no doubt Cam Ward's the starter. He's
39:24
Speaker 2: looked bad in the preseason so far. It doesn't matter.
39:27
Speaker 2: like he's going to be given that chance with a
39:28
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator and as the number one pick you
39:31
Speaker 2: know he's the guy you understand the motivation even if
39:34
Speaker 2: he's sucking when he gets out in the regular season
39:37
Speaker 2: right you're going to keep giving him shots to see
39:39
Speaker 2: if he can figure it out i understand that with
39:42
Speaker 2: the titans i don't understand this with the browns at.
39:44
Speaker 1: All so Well said. So they wrapped up the preseason
39:49
Speaker 1: last night. Cleveland did. He did not play. Watson didn't
39:52
Speaker 1: play in the final preseason game. And he's like, pregame,
39:55
Speaker 1: he's walking around and he's, I don't know what they
39:59
Speaker 1: call their stadium now, but he's like signing autographs for
40:02
Speaker 1: like kids. You know, like it just, and I was
40:05
Speaker 1: reading a quote where Herb Street's talking about the second
40:09
Speaker 1: chances and all this stuff.
40:10
Speaker 2: It's like it. Going over the.
40:13
Speaker 1: Top to make it seem like they're smoothing things over
40:18
Speaker 1: a bit.
40:19
Speaker 2: I don't know.
40:19
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it. I'm reading quotes. Half of a quote,
40:24
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it. Half of a sentence
40:26
Speaker 1: that's quoted in a story. Yeah, he hasn't been good.
40:32
Speaker 1: The Titans played up there recently and played against him.
40:36
Speaker 1: And he was awful. I'm not talking about Shador. Not
40:39
Speaker 1: their most recent game, but Watson. Maybe that was the
40:44
Speaker 1: same game.
40:44
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
40:45
Speaker 1: But I don't understand how you draft all these quarterbacks
40:49
Speaker 1: and then you end up back with the guy who
40:51
Speaker 1: doesn't represent what you're about. I thought owners just cut
40:56
Speaker 1: their losses every now and then. Amy Adams Strunk would
40:59
Speaker 1: have fired multiple people by now and paid them to leave.
41:02
Speaker 1: I don't get why he's around.
41:07
Speaker 2: I don't either. David in the YouTube chat says he's
41:10
Speaker 2: doing what Jimmy Haslam tells him to do, talking about Munkin.
41:14
Speaker 2: I just don't get it. I don't know why. Again,
41:18
Speaker 2: Jimmy Haslam's already said it. He's already faced the music
41:21
Speaker 2: on it, said it was a mistake. Why would he
41:23
Speaker 2: come back on that a year later after he said
41:27
Speaker 2: it was a mistake and say, you must play this guy?
41:29
Speaker 2: I just don't. I mean, he allowed his organization also
41:33
Speaker 2: to draft multiple quarterbacks.
41:35
Speaker 1: I wonder, I guess RG3 may have crossed paths with
41:37
Speaker 1: Munkin in Baltimore, maybe. But it's just how he says,
41:40
Speaker 1: sources tell me Deshaun Watson was not Todd Munkin's choice
41:45
Speaker 1: as the starter. And many in the building thought Shador
41:49
Speaker 1: was the right move for the team on and off
41:52
Speaker 1: the field. I can see where that's accurate. A lot
41:55
Speaker 1: of people think, go Shador's way in this regard. Watson
41:58
Speaker 1: attacked the fans. Browns want Deshaun to play for his pay.
42:07
Speaker 2: I mean, why? He's going to tear an.
42:10
Speaker 1: Achilles or something, rupture an Achilles, and he'll be injured
42:13
Speaker 1: for his pay.
42:15
Speaker 2: You're punishing your entire city and fan base by forcing,
42:19
Speaker 2: by punishing him to go play for his pay, right?
42:24
Speaker 2: None of that. I'm not buying it.
42:27
Speaker 1: I'm also, I mean, what this is also going to
42:29
Speaker 1: do is set this, I mean, They're home open. I
42:33
Speaker 1: don't know if they're playing at home or away in
42:34
Speaker 1: week one, but he will be booed throughout that entire game.
42:40
Speaker 2: You know?
42:41
Speaker 1: Just based on what he said. There's no apology after that.
42:45
Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to have to be really good
42:46
Speaker 2: for them to start cheering for him again.
42:49
Speaker 1: Right, and you're right about that, though. We should mention that. Again,
42:53
Speaker 1: I referenced Pac-Man. Pac-Man was getting cheered on the field
42:56
Speaker 1: with all the legal stuff going on off the field.
42:58
Speaker 1: He's spitting in women's faces and doing all this stuff
43:00
Speaker 1: and getting arrested. but he returns a punt for a touchdown,
43:05
Speaker 1: and everyone's going crazy at Nissan Stadium.
43:09
Speaker 2: You're right.
43:09
Speaker 1: That will happen if he plays very well, but I
43:13
Speaker 1: seriously doubt that does happen.
43:16
Speaker 2: He may be returning home 0-2 because they open the season,
43:19
Speaker 2: the Browns do, in Jacksonville and in Tampa Bay in
43:22
Speaker 2: the state of Florida. They come back home to play
43:24
Speaker 2: Carolina on September 27th. That will be the first home
43:28
Speaker 2: game of the Browns' season. If they're 0-2 and he
43:31
Speaker 2: takes the field that day, great opportunity for those Cleveland
43:34
Speaker 2: fans to boo the hell out of that guy once
43:36
Speaker 2: he takes the field. Who knows? He may look so
43:38
Speaker 2: bad in those first two that Shador is the starter
43:40
Speaker 2: by game number three also. Again, I can't buy the
43:45
Speaker 2: RG3 explanation on this that Jimmy Haslam now. Jimmy Haslam also,
43:48
Speaker 2: by the way, if he's this grandmaster puppeteer of the
43:52
Speaker 2: Browns organization, he's the one who allowed them to draft
43:55
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks a year ago in the same draft of
43:58
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders. And then after doing that says,
44:01
Speaker 2: you must play Deshaun Watson, the guy I've already publicly
44:04
Speaker 2: admitted to being a mistake for this organization. I demand
44:08
Speaker 2: you play this guy over the two guys I allowed
44:10
Speaker 2: you to draft a year ago. Something's not quite adding up.
44:13
Speaker 1: Chad, I'm going to get into my top coaches in
44:16
Speaker 1: the NFL next week. But this season with Cleveland, we
44:20
Speaker 1: are going to see how valuable and how good Kevin
44:22
Speaker 1: Stefanski was for them. Two-time coach of the year. And
44:25
Speaker 1: now he's in Atlanta.
44:28
Speaker 2: Did you see Todd Munkin respond when Lane Kiffin said
44:32
Speaker 2: he didn't call him, doesn't even have his number, and
44:34
Speaker 2: he was asked about it and his clarification? No, what did.
44:37
Speaker 1: He say?
44:38
Speaker 2: He is not winning over a lot of confidence with
44:40
Speaker 2: me with this decision and everything else. He just, oh, yeah,
44:43
Speaker 2: you know, I guess I should speak more clearly. Oh,
44:46
Speaker 2: my gosh. You know, I said we got a call,
44:49
Speaker 2: and I guess it was one of my staffers or someone,
44:52
Speaker 2: and maybe it wasn't from Lane, maybe it was from
44:54
Speaker 2: somebody else, and I should probably be more clear when
44:57
Speaker 2: I speak. and tell stories like that. Basically what he's
45:00
Speaker 2: saying is like, Hey man, it's just you and me talking, right?
45:03
Speaker 2: Like I'm just telling a story. He's saying he made
45:04
Speaker 2: it up. Yeah. He's basically like, I made it all
45:07
Speaker 2: up and don't, don't kill me over it. But somebody
45:10
Speaker 2: got a call, but he wouldn't say who, he wouldn't
45:12
Speaker 2: say who made the call to him. Cause look, it's
45:15
Speaker 2: tampering too. Like you're, you're accusing whoever made the call
45:18
Speaker 2: of tampering with an NFL contract. That could be some
45:21
Speaker 2: legal issues with that also. But so who did it?
45:24
Speaker 2: Was it, was it Ed Orgeron? That called on his staff?
45:27
Speaker 2: Was it somebody else? We know Ed Orgeron will get
45:29
Speaker 2: involved with players. He did when they left Knoxville. I
45:32
Speaker 2: think he was the one making the call saying don't
45:33
Speaker 2: go to class to all the Tennessee players.
45:36
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be Kiffin that would even
45:38
Speaker 1: pick up the phone. I think it would be their GM, right,
45:40
Speaker 1: at LSU.
45:43
Speaker 2: It's somebody. It's somebody on staff called somebody on my staff.
45:46
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, dude, first off, don't say Lane Kiffin
45:50
Speaker 2: called and I should have called him back. And second,
45:53
Speaker 2: if that's not true, you know who it was. We
45:55
Speaker 2: understood him. He said Kiffin called him. Right. Well, basically,
46:01
Speaker 2: I lied. I told a story that was a fun story.
46:04
Speaker 2: That's not true. And now I've been called to the
46:06
Speaker 2: carpet on it. And I don't really have a good explanation.
46:09
Speaker 2: But what you should come back and say, okay, here's
46:11
Speaker 2: what happened. A guy, here's who got the call. Here's
46:14
Speaker 2: who called. I just would have laid it out there.
46:16
Speaker 2: Especially if it was my player at the time. Because
46:18
Speaker 2: I would have been pissed. I'm like, Their GM, such
46:21
Speaker 2: and such, called my offensive analyst, who they have a
46:25
Speaker 2: relationship with, and said, are you going to cut this
46:27
Speaker 2: guy because we want him, because we're trying to go
46:29
Speaker 2: get him? Say it plainly, clearly. What's interesting, too. Communication
46:34
Speaker 2: 101 here for Todd.
46:35
Speaker 1: These are guys, like, it's interesting. Like, these guys don't
46:38
Speaker 1: get picked up on the waiver wire, you know? Like,
46:42
Speaker 1: they're just out of the league. They're good players. They
46:47
Speaker 1: will make a difference for LSU. But if this were
46:51
Speaker 1: a starter or a fringe starter, a good special teams player,
46:57
Speaker 1: the NFL would be pissed off for greatness over this.
47:00
Speaker 1: You would see some lawsuits and other things about tampering. But,
47:04
Speaker 1: I mean, you're under contract at the time. And, I mean,
47:11
Speaker 1: you've got players in college that are making $ 6.
47:14
Speaker 2: Million a season or upwards of that. That's what they're saying.
47:17
Speaker 1: And these guys are probably getting up. got a $ 30, 000
47:20
Speaker 1: signing bonus to go to camp. Uh, I would want
47:23
Speaker 1: to go back to college too, if I'm these dudes.
47:26
Speaker 2: Um, absolutely. Also, I'd love for someone to pick them
47:29
Speaker 2: up off waivers. Oh, that would be hilarious. To make
47:31
Speaker 2: them make a choice. No, you're going to have to
47:33
Speaker 2: deny that you've been picked up and you're going to
47:35
Speaker 2: have to leave the NFL to go to college. You're
47:37
Speaker 2: not just going to get this as easy as you want.
47:39
Speaker 2: I think that'd be hilarious. Hey, real quick.
47:41
Speaker 1: I heard that, or I didn't hear this. I read
47:43
Speaker 1: this earlier. Um, It would be interesting if Todd Munkin
47:47
Speaker 1: tried to trade for Stetson Bennett and coach him again
47:51
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. That would be something. If Stetson Bennett comes
47:55
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and makes it work like he did at Georgia.
47:58
Speaker 1: If that were to happen.
47:59
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson looks good with the Rams, so that would
48:02
Speaker 2: make sense.
48:03
Speaker 1: If that were to happen during a college football game,
48:07
Speaker 1: we're not going to read it on the screen. We
48:09
Speaker 1: discussed that coming up here on Hutton and Withrow. Dutton
48:13
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48:17
Speaker 1: got some football discussion coming up. We're going to discuss
48:21
Speaker 1: the scroller.
48:23
Speaker 2: What's it called, Chad? The ticker? The ticker, thank you.
48:26
Speaker 2: It's called the ticker, yeah. We've got one here on
48:28
Speaker 2: our show, too. It's what scrolls on the bottom of
48:30
Speaker 2: our show. Thank you. It's a ticker. The scroller. Yes,
48:33
Speaker 2: the ticker. We go to resident tech expert Jacob Lutz
48:37
Speaker 2: to explain exactly what we call this thing. I believe
48:39
Speaker 2: it's a ticker. But I'm sure there's different words from
48:42
Speaker 2: different people. Why is that called a ticker? It doesn't
48:48
Speaker 2: make a ticking noise, but it does tick one score
48:51
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48:54
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50:03
Speaker 1: Lutz tells us it's actually called the bottom line.
50:06
Speaker 2: So it's not called a ticker. I mean... So that's
50:10
Speaker 2: what ESPN calls it, right? Like I'm never going to
50:13
Speaker 2: call what we have on our show, the bottom line.
50:16
Speaker 2: I would refer to it as a ticker. So I
50:17
Speaker 2: think he's right. That's like the ESPN nomenclature of how
50:21
Speaker 2: they describe it. But also like, I'm not going to fall.
50:24
Speaker 2: It's almost like saying, you know, the, the, you said,
50:26
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Cleveland Brown stadium is called anymore.
50:28
Speaker 2: I don't either. It's like having to go with a
50:30
Speaker 2: corporate sponsor of everything, because that's what they call it.
50:33
Speaker 2: You know, I'm still going to call it whatever I
50:35
Speaker 2: want to call it also. So, On this show, we
50:37
Speaker 2: call it the ticker, but Lutz is right. ESPN calls
50:41
Speaker 2: it the bottom line.
50:42
Speaker 1: Why are they doing away with this during college football games?
50:44
Speaker 1: What's the premise of this decision?
50:47
Speaker 2: I haven't even read their explanation as to why they
50:50
Speaker 2: would do it. Here would be my possible rationale for it. One,
50:56
Speaker 2: it's a pain in the ass to operate. Whoever does
50:58
Speaker 2: it back in Bristol or whoever's working on it, and
51:00
Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with it anymore, whether it
51:02
Speaker 2: be for lack of a workforce because of all their
51:04
Speaker 2: layoffs or whatever— That could be one possible issue with it.
51:09
Speaker 2: The other is they want you locked in on their
51:12
Speaker 2: game that you're watching at that time, and they don't
51:15
Speaker 2: want you seeing a score at the bottom that may
51:18
Speaker 2: revert you to another game, like let's say a game
51:21
Speaker 2: on Fox. Not just the ESPN family, but like, hey,
51:25
Speaker 2: Michigan just scored here. That game is now tied. I
51:28
Speaker 2: saw that on the ticker. I'm going to go away
51:30
Speaker 2: from this ESPN property, this SEC game on ABC, and
51:33
Speaker 2: go to that. That would be a second possibility as
51:35
Speaker 2: to why you would do away with it. The third,
51:37
Speaker 2: and I think the one that I have seen some
51:39
Speaker 2: people at ESPN talk about, is they want a cleaner
51:42
Speaker 2: look and feel for the broadcast when they do that.
51:44
Speaker 2: I sent you guys a funny tweet from someone, though,
51:47
Speaker 2: that said, here's ESPN's new bottom line after they make
51:51
Speaker 2: it look cleaner for college football, and it's a gigantic
51:53
Speaker 2: picture of Pat McAfee. and a promo for him calling
51:57
Speaker 2: something with WWE that takes up the bottom half of
51:59
Speaker 2: the screen, which is really funny, which is probably what
52:02
Speaker 2: will happen. It's also, Hutton, I think another reason for
52:06
Speaker 2: this is it's another way they're going to throw ads
52:08
Speaker 2: on the bottom of the screen. I think the ticker
52:11
Speaker 2: goes away with scores, and I think they're going to
52:14
Speaker 2: hammer you with advertising at the bottom of the screen.
52:17
Speaker 2: I don't think the bottom, the lower third is going
52:19
Speaker 2: away from the ticker. I think they're going to put
52:21
Speaker 2: ads up there. I do not think this is a
52:23
Speaker 2: good thing. The more I think about it, at first
52:27
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's interesting. I kind of understand
52:31
Speaker 2: where they're going with this, but the more I think
52:33
Speaker 2: about it, I don't like it. I also think that
52:36
Speaker 2: it makes you go to your phone more when you're
52:39
Speaker 2: watching a game. I guess they're assuming we're already there.
52:42
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe. And look, it's not like ESPN
52:46
Speaker 2: doesn't benefit also if you're streaming something through them on
52:49
Speaker 2: your phone.
52:50
Speaker 1: But I want to be alerted if the SEC game
52:53
Speaker 1: is going to kick off a little bit later, if
52:55
Speaker 1: they're holding kickoff because of another broadcast. That's where we
52:59
Speaker 1: would be alerted to what channel it's.
53:00
Speaker 2: Going to, right? Yeah, this game is now on ESPN News. Yeah.
53:05
Speaker 2: That type of alert on it can be seen now
53:07
Speaker 2: on SEC Network Plus or whatever for the game that
53:10
Speaker 2: has started because your game is going late. I just
53:13
Speaker 2: assumed AI did all this. They could flash that up
53:15
Speaker 2: there during the game that's going over time-wise, which always happens. Yeah.
53:19
Speaker 2: And say, hey, you know, the yellow flash alert. If
53:22
Speaker 2: you want to watch Tennessee and Arkansas, you can go
53:24
Speaker 2: to ESPN2 right now and watch it.
53:27
Speaker 1: I just think it's, I don't know, like half the
53:30
Speaker 1: games I want to watch are on ESPN or ABC anyway.
53:34
Speaker 1: You know, like I don't feel like they're, I mean.
53:38
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to watch all these different games at one time.
53:40
Speaker 1: I would rather be able to look at a score
53:42
Speaker 1: and know to go and watch the game than not.
53:45
Speaker 2: But, you know, whatever.
53:47
Speaker 1: And if they don't want to show the Fox score,
53:49
Speaker 1: they could control that, right? They could just omit the
53:53
Speaker 1: big new kickoff score if they wanted to.
53:55
Speaker 2: I think even in the pettiness... of network wars over
54:02
Speaker 2: sports and live sporting events, that would maybe be the
54:04
Speaker 2: pettiest thing I've ever seen.
54:06
Speaker 1: Or don't rotate it as much. If they were worried
54:10
Speaker 1: about that. If they just go to top 25 to start,
54:13
Speaker 1: it's always top 25. And they've got two ranked teams
54:15
Speaker 1: on Fox, or they've got two ranked teams on another network,
54:17
Speaker 1: on CBS, on their Big Ten game, and they're not
54:20
Speaker 1: going to show it on ESPN because of all that.
54:22
Speaker 2: That would be a heightened level of petty competition. that
54:25
Speaker 2: I don't know that we've seen, so I think they'd
54:26
Speaker 2: look really bad for doing that. Yeah, I don't think
54:28
Speaker 2: it's that, though.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they've done away with it because of viewership.
54:36
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to have one of the best
54:39
Speaker 1: games anyway.
54:39
Speaker 2: Okay, let me give you a positive for this. I've
54:43
Speaker 2: thought about this way too much. You're right about the ads.
54:46
Speaker 2: I spend so much time watching college football that I've
54:49
Speaker 2: thought way too much about this. One positive is, and
54:53
Speaker 2: I don't know if people can chime in I want
54:56
Speaker 2: to hear from people in the YouTube chat also what
54:57
Speaker 2: they think about it. Give me a positive and a
55:00
Speaker 2: negative from this as to why you would do it
55:03
Speaker 2: and why you like it or why you don't. I
55:05
Speaker 2: think one positive is oftentimes if I'm watching, let's say,
55:08
Speaker 2: a Tennessee game where I'm watching every snap, or it
55:11
Speaker 2: could be a Vandy game I'm watching every snap. With
55:13
Speaker 2: YouTube TV, I will go away from that game and
55:16
Speaker 2: go somewhere else. I can go back to where I
55:20
Speaker 2: was watching and resume watching. So I may watch the
55:23
Speaker 2: end of a drive. for a game that's not the
55:26
Speaker 2: game I'm watching primarily as my first game. And on
55:30
Speaker 2: that ticker, I might get updated on something that happened
55:32
Speaker 2: I don't want to see because I'm waiting to go
55:35
Speaker 2: back to that game. Do you see what I'm saying?
55:37
Speaker 2: There could be a score update, and it's, oh, Tennessee
55:39
Speaker 2: scored again, or the opponent scored. Yeah, I see what
55:42
Speaker 2: you're saying. Or now they have the ball, and I
55:44
Speaker 2: see that because I can't look away when it flashes
55:46
Speaker 2: on the ticker, and I didn't want to see it
55:48
Speaker 2: because I was actually going to go back and hit
55:49
Speaker 2: resume watching from last watch. and fast-forward through a commercial
55:54
Speaker 2: and start catching up through plays, right? To me, that
55:56
Speaker 2: was the biggest positive of this.
55:58
Speaker 1: That would always happen watching SportsCenter growing up. You'd watch SportsCenter,
56:02
Speaker 1: and then the ticker would show the score of the
56:05
Speaker 1: highlight you're watching with Dan Patrick and Eisen and all them.
56:10
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just during the games, though, right?
56:13
Speaker 1: I mean, again, ESPN should have put the scores on
56:17
Speaker 1: the screen.
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Speaker 2: But you're right.
56:20
Speaker 1: They're going to put ads up there or gambling.
56:22
Speaker 2: But again, if you don't want to be spoiled, you
56:26
Speaker 2: don't want a score spoiler, that's the only benefit I
56:30
Speaker 2: could see to it. But most people aren't doing one.
56:33
Speaker 2: Most people aren't psychotic like me, and they're not doing that.
56:35
Speaker 2: They're either staying on that game the whole time, even
56:37
Speaker 2: through a commercial because it's their team, and they're not
56:39
Speaker 2: going to turn away and watch something else. I turn
56:41
Speaker 2: away and watch other things all the time during a
56:44
Speaker 2: commercial and then try to go back and catch up live.
56:46
Speaker 2: We'll have the quad box. Yes. Absolutely, and that's not
56:50
Speaker 2: going to spoil anything because you're going to see all
56:52
Speaker 2: of it in the quad box also with YouTube TV.
56:55
Speaker 2: But I think that's just a very specific example of
56:59
Speaker 2: how no score ticker could be a positive. I think
57:02
Speaker 2: they want to force ads on it. I think they
57:05
Speaker 2: want to force more ESPN promos as part of it.
57:08
Speaker 2: It's going to be a thing. And they're going to
57:09
Speaker 2: act like, well, what we're doing is we're further engaging
57:12
Speaker 2: you to stay on this game that we have instead
57:15
Speaker 2: of motivating you to go to another game because– You
57:19
Speaker 2: saw some big score update you weren't expecting. And I
57:22
Speaker 2: don't buy it.
57:25
Speaker 1: Chad, what college football is doing, they are buying quarterbacks.
57:29
Speaker 1: We've discussed the pay-for-play across college football and specifically, we'll
57:37
Speaker 1: tell you the top-tier numbers. And return on investment here.
57:42
Speaker 1: What our projection would be based on what these guys
57:46
Speaker 1: are getting paid.
57:46
Speaker 2: It's insane. That's next year on How to Withdraw.