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GLAM MORNING TV ANCHOR STABS MOM, 80, DEAD, UNDERGOING PSYCH EVALUATION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a glamorous morning TV anchor,
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  Speaker 1: runs from a bedroom blood bath, deadly stabbing. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you see, Grace, this is crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Angela and Mack, a familiar face in the Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: news scene, gained popularity as the morning show anchor for
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  Speaker 2: Fox two. Her career was marked by her engaging presence
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  Speaker 2: and dedication to delivering the news, not knowing she would
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  Speaker 2: find herself back in the limelight for all the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 1: That deadly, that fatal blood bath in the home bedroom
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  Speaker 1: leaves her mother, eighty years old, stabbed dead.
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  Speaker 3: What do we know?
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  Speaker 4: Locke is currently undergoing a court ordered mental competency evaluation.
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  Speaker 4: This has temporarily paused her first degree murder case. A
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  Speaker 4: new court date has not yet been scheduled. Her attorney
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  Speaker 4: requested the evaluation. This process typically takes around sixty days.
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  Speaker 4: The evaluation will determine if she is mentally fit to
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  Speaker 4: stand trial. According to a police Sabadavid Mock, who has
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  Speaker 4: a history of mental health issues, including a diagnosis of
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  Speaker 4: schizo effective disorder, told police she stabbed her mother in
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  Speaker 4: self defense, claiming her mother was the devil. Mock's stepfather
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  Speaker 4: reported that Mock had experienced delusions in the past, including
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  Speaker 4: saying they are all robots or they are not real people.
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  Speaker 4: Mock remains in custody at the Sedgwick County Jail on
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  Speaker 4: a one million dollar bond. Again, a new trial date
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  Speaker 4: has not been scheduled.
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  Speaker 3: How did we get here? Listen?
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  Speaker 5: There was a woman who came and approached our vegal
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  Speaker 5: with blood like her hands were filled, her body was
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  Speaker 5: filled of blood, asking to conine one.
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  Speaker 6: One seven am. A Lissa Castro and her boyfriend are
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  Speaker 6: in their car in Wichita when a neighbor waves them down.
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  Speaker 6: As the woman approaches, they see what appears to be blood,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of blood on the woman's hands. The woman
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  Speaker 6: asked to borrow a phone to call nine one one,
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  Speaker 6: then takes off with the phone back into a house.
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  Speaker 5: Foster if she was a king and she was pretty
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  Speaker 5: shicken up and she seems scared and she just ran.
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  Speaker 1: Off that from our friends, say Kae straight out to
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  Speaker 1: Melissa McCarty, joining US investigative reporter, hosts of the Killer
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  Speaker 1: Jeans podcast, and author of a brandy book, The Making
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  Speaker 1: of a Crime Reporter.
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  Speaker 3: Melissa, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Now, who is the woman sitting in a car that
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  Speaker 1: observes Angelaine, the morning TV anchor, running out of the
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  Speaker 1: home covered in blood.
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  Speaker 3: Who is she?
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  Speaker 7: She was a neighbor in the car with her boyfriend
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  Speaker 7: and she watched everything unfold and she said she was
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  Speaker 7: traumatized by it. Imagine her just sitting there, pulling into
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  Speaker 7: the neighborhood and she sees this woman frantically running towards them,
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  Speaker 7: begging for help. So obviously they stop and she's asking
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  Speaker 7: for a cell phone. The boyfriend hands over her cell
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  Speaker 7: phone and she takes it, runs inside the house and
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  Speaker 7: doesn't return.
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  Speaker 1: The informant the neighbor refers to Angeline Mock as this woman, specifically,
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  Speaker 1: this woman.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of people are going to get face to
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  Speaker 8: face with a turkey this Thursday, because it is Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 8: and because so many people are going to be basing
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  Speaker 8: their turkey.
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  Speaker 3: We do like to talk about grease and where it
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  Speaker 3: should go. A lot of people don't know that.
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  Speaker 8: All that grease everybody on the block is cooking a turkey,
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  Speaker 8: and that grease can be very problematic.
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  Speaker 1: That is from our friends at Fox two News, and
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  Speaker 1: that is Angeline Mock who ran from the home covered
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  Speaker 1: in blood. Curious to Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD
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  Speaker 1: detective sergeant on the Joint Terrorism Task Force and former
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  Speaker 1: chief security officer co host of podcast gold Shields. Dan Murphy,
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  Speaker 1: you know this woman, the TV anchor, is drenched in blood.
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  Speaker 1: When police finally get to the scene, they find something
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  Speaker 1: even worse. Her eighty year old mother, apparently bed ridden,
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  Speaker 1: is stabbed dead in her own bed. That's the mom
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  Speaker 1: on the left.
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  Speaker 3: The mom is Anita Avers.
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  Speaker 1: I think she actually turned eighty one just before her
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  Speaker 1: stabbing death.
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  Speaker 3: So where do you even start with a scene like.
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  Speaker 9: That, Dan, So immediately upon response, you're going to want
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  Speaker 9: to give any medical aid you can at this point
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  Speaker 9: if the person is not clearly deceased, and even if
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  Speaker 9: they are, a medical personnel have to come and attend
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  Speaker 9: to them, which is going to disturb the scene a bit,
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  Speaker 9: but it has to be done. Then you're going to
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  Speaker 9: want to preserve all the evidence you can. And I've
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  Speaker 9: been in blood bets and you have to walk gingerly
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  Speaker 9: around them and wear those little booties. But it needs
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  Speaker 9: to be done because later on the evidence is all
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  Speaker 9: going to speak through experts to a jury. So right now,
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  Speaker 9: you're preserving evidence.
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  Speaker 1: You know a piece of evidence that is commonly fumbled
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  Speaker 1: through nobody's.
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  Speaker 3: Fault, and that's footprints.
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  Speaker 1: When you have a blood bath like the one that
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  Speaker 1: happened at the home of this Fox News anchor, every
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  Speaker 1: blood marking matters. It could be spray back. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: this is a stabbing death. The mother, an eighty one
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  Speaker 1: year old woman is stabbed multiple times. Think ted Bundy
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  Speaker 1: right and the clubbing right. That's called throwback. Where the
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  Speaker 1: victim is hit forcefully and then the perpetrator swings back
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  Speaker 1: to strike again.
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  Speaker 3: That blood is cast off right.
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  Speaker 1: The cast off, if measured correctly, can determine maybe even
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  Speaker 1: the height of the defendant, may be the position in
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  Speaker 1: which they were when.
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  Speaker 3: The attack occurred. You can tell how many times.
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  Speaker 1: If you can't tell from the body, you can tell
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  Speaker 1: from the cast off how many times the person was stabbed,
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  Speaker 1: because every time there's a swing back, it hits in
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  Speaker 1: a slightly different spot on the wall or the ceiling.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of ceilings, significant explain why ceilings are important
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  Speaker 1: in a case like this, that they be processed just
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  Speaker 1: like all the other blood evidence.
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  Speaker 9: Because blood evidence is airborne. Once it becomes a part
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  Speaker 9: of cast off and it will leave an impression upon
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  Speaker 9: the ceiling. In most buildings, especially a residential building like this,
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  Speaker 9: that evidence is going to be important because the blood
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  Speaker 9: spatter pattern analysis will be done by crime scene personnel.
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  Speaker 9: Understand zerology, and you understand the science of blood and
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  Speaker 9: how it moves and how it forms and what formations
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  Speaker 9: look like when it's cast off of anoder So that
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  Speaker 9: preservation of evidence is vital, and you would want to
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  Speaker 9: take pieces of that ceiling with you as evidence.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean take pieces of the ceiling with
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  Speaker 1: you as evidence.
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  Speaker 9: I've seen ceiling pieces cut out by crime scene units,
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  Speaker 9: pieces of flooring cut out, depending upon the nature of
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  Speaker 9: the crime. Now this week it became a homicide. You're
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  Speaker 9: going to take that evidence seriously and take pictures of it.
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  Speaker 9: But also you may want to take the actual physical
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  Speaker 9: piece itself. If it's a simple piece of wallboard that
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  Speaker 9: you can cut out, you may want to take it.
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  Speaker 9: It's something that may be challenged by defense, you may
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  Speaker 9: want to have it as evidentiary piece of evidence with
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  Speaker 9: you in case it's challenge But those pieces of evidence
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  Speaker 9: are going to tell a story and in thorough investigations.
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  Speaker 9: I've seen pieces of buildings brought out and taken into custody.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we got started on this discussion talking about
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  Speaker 1: floor evidence and how often evidence is lost or ruined
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  Speaker 1: really through no one's fault when they come onto the scene.
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  Speaker 3: You know, everybody's.
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  Speaker 1: Shoes have to be taken and there has to be
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  Speaker 1: a print made of them to compare to bloody shee
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  Speaker 1: prints if there are any on the floor.
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  Speaker 3: The only people that should go into that room are
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  Speaker 3: the ones who are burdened with trying to save a life.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: And then if they can't save the eighty one year
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  Speaker 1: old mom's life, they have to very gingerly back out
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  Speaker 1: and get the hay out of.
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  Speaker 3: There so the work can begin.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're trying to save somebody's life, that's your
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  Speaker 1: paramount concern. You're not worried about bloody footprints. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: go back to what happened. This is it, and this
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  Speaker 1: is a whole other can of worms, Dan Murphy. This
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  Speaker 1: happened around seven a m. Seven am, which statistically it
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  Speaker 1: is very rare for a bloodbath, a deadly blood bath,
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  Speaker 1: to go down before breakfast.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, listen, Nine.
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  Speaker 2: One one is called and relays a message to first responders.
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  Speaker 2: A woman says there has been a stabbing in her home.
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  Speaker 10: This morning. At zero seven fifty one hours, officers responded
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  Speaker 10: to a stabbing call in the fifteen hundred block of
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  Speaker 10: East Crowley. When officers arrived on scene, they were met
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  Speaker 10: in the street with a forty forty eight year old
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  Speaker 10: white female who had suffered from some cutting cuts to
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  Speaker 10: her hand.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is a veteran trial lawyer, Jim Elliott, attorney
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  Speaker 1: with Butler Snow Legal Council for Multiple Municipalities and Governmental
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  Speaker 1: Entities at butlersnow dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Jim, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Elliott, You've tried a lot of cases in court.
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  Speaker 3: Blood evidence is very tricky, especially if you don't know
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  Speaker 3: what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing I would be looking at is the
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  Speaker 1: degree to which the blood had coagulated time when amts
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  Speaker 1: and first responders get there, and it's really difficult. Jim,
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  Speaker 1: You've been on a lot of scenes. They're trying to
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  Speaker 1: save the eighty one year old mom's life.
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  Speaker 3: They're not thinking has the blood coagulated.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to resuscitate her and get her airlifted.
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  Speaker 3: To the hospital where I would come.
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  Speaker 1: In as the prosecutor is critical that we know whether
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  Speaker 1: the blood had dried, not just coagulated. Coagulated means it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like jello. It's not thin, liquefied like water anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's more of a jello consistency that's coagulated. And the
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  Speaker 1: harder it gets, the closer it gets to being dried.
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  Speaker 1: In your experience, Jim Elliott, why is it so important
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  Speaker 1: that we know whether the blood was still liquid as
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  Speaker 1: in water, semilated as in jello, are flat out dried?
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  Speaker 11: Well, Certainly, I go to what time the crime actually occurred,
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  Speaker 11: or the stabbing occurred, and probably in that case you're
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  Speaker 11: only going to have the eyewitness testimony of the first
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  Speaker 11: responders who can indicate what they saw, perhaps without a
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  Speaker 11: great deal of expertise in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they'll be torn to shreds on cross exam.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to have more than that. We have to
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  Speaker 1: have the cops in there immediately processing the scene. But
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  Speaker 1: the reality is, Jim Elliott, it takes a beat for
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  Speaker 1: the entire CSI to arrive and you could lose that
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  Speaker 1: critical evidence. Why is it critical I need to know
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  Speaker 1: when this eighty one year old mother was stabbed multiple
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  Speaker 1: times in her bed.
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  Speaker 3: You know another thing.
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  Speaker 1: Elliot, I noticed this when prosecuting in inner city Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: when the victim is very young, like an infant, or
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  Speaker 1: very old. For so reason, those cases are very often
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  Speaker 1: pled down to like manslaughter of some degree. You got voluntary,
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  Speaker 1: you got involuntary. I don't know why, but have you
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  Speaker 1: noticed that phenomena used to burn me up? Like somehow
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  Speaker 1: because the victim is really young and hadn't lived yet
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  Speaker 1: as an infant.
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  Speaker 3: Or really old, they don't matter anymore. Did you notice that.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to see statistic on that.
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  Speaker 11: Well, that's certainly can be to take some I guess
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  Speaker 11: that's kind of driven by the value of the life
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  Speaker 11: at the.
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  Speaker 12: Time of the passing. You all the.
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  Speaker 1: Elliots of the events and blowing off commercial break the
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  Speaker 1: value of the life.
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  Speaker 12: You know what.
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  Speaker 1: You sound a lot like a civil lawyer right now,
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  Speaker 1: where you try to get a money verdict from a
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  Speaker 1: jury and you ask the jury to put a dollar
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  Speaker 1: value on somebody's life. So what if they're old, Jim Elliott,
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  Speaker 1: they're just not earth as much.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, put it out there.
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  Speaker 12: It's the usual. It's the usual measure of damages.
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  Speaker 11: Nancy whether it's morally right or it's everyone's code of
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  Speaker 11: ethics or not. That's the way our system works.
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  Speaker 12: With regard to that measurement. That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe for you, Jim Elliott, and you've won a
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  Speaker 1: lot of cases with civil juries. And now I see
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  Speaker 1: why because you actually said that, like it's true. Just
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  Speaker 1: because it is done, Elliott, does not mean it should
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  Speaker 1: be done. That doesn't mean it's okay just because it
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  Speaker 1: happens a dollar value on a life, that premise right
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  Speaker 1: there is concerning to me. But that said, Jim Elliott,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to tell me the truth. Isn't it
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  Speaker 1: true that when the victim is an infant and you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of cute Christmas pictures and
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  Speaker 1: you know, baptizing pictures and family pictures at Disney all that,
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  Speaker 1: and a really old victim.
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  Speaker 3: I I'm telling.
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  Speaker 1: You it's anecdotal, not a statistic, that those plea deals
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  Speaker 1: are cheaper than they are for just to say, a young,
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  Speaker 1: vibrant man or woman.
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  Speaker 3: Have you noticed that? Be honest?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, it can be you.
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  Speaker 11: I think with regard to the younger people, you can't
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  Speaker 11: really paint a picture of their life for the jury.
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  Speaker 12: That's what prosecutors would probably.
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  Speaker 11: Worry about with regard to an older person. Again, there's
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  Speaker 11: this there's going to be this attitude that they live
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  Speaker 11: their life and.
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  Speaker 12: You know, sadly is it.
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  Speaker 1: That may be the attitude, Elliott, but they don't bring
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  Speaker 1: it to crime stories. Save it for your civil juries.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: Let Elliott sit there and think about what he just
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  Speaker 1: said and move this case forward.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 13: Arriving at the home at seven point fifty two am,
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  Speaker 13: Wichita police find a woman outside the home with cuts
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  Speaker 13: in her hands and blood on her clothing. Insight, they
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  Speaker 13: find eighty one year old Anita Avers own responsive inner
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  Speaker 13: bed with multiples stab wounds.
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  Speaker 3: Both women are taking to the hospital.
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  Speaker 10: Officers went inside the residence found an eighty one year
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  Speaker 10: old elderly female suffering from multiple stab stab wounds. Both
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  Speaker 10: were transported to local hospitals.
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  Speaker 3: They got to Melissa McCarty joining us side.
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  Speaker 1: Miss a reporter, host of the Killer Jeans podcast which
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  Speaker 1: is awesome Melissa McCarty and author of the Making of
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  Speaker 1: a Crime Reporter. Melissa, what can you tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the victims stabs?
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  Speaker 3: What have you learned?
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  Speaker 7: Anita Avers had multiple stab wounds to her as stars
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  Speaker 7: was an upper body, her face. The specific areas police
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  Speaker 7: haven't released that just yet, but she was attacked reportedly
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  Speaker 7: in her bed with multiple stab wounds.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about what Melissa McCarty just said.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Start joining me, FORENSICCT psychologist, renowned TV radio trauma expert,
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  Speaker 1: consultant at Karenstart dot com.
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  Speaker 3: If you're looking for her, it's Karen.
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  Speaker 1: With a C. Karen, I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 1: about something that shocked me to the Court and you know, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: you and I bonded together in very very long hours
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  Speaker 1: in the dark at Court TV studios where you and
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  Speaker 1: I would sit there. I believe there were three or
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  Speaker 1: four hour shifts we had watching trials live and commenting
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  Speaker 1: on them whenever there would be a break.
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  Speaker 3: Even after all that, after all the.
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  Speaker 1: Cases I've tried, after all the cases you have worked on,
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  Speaker 1: I was so shocked with the Brian Coburger attacks in
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  Speaker 1: that well, many things, but the stabbing to the face
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  Speaker 1: of Killy Gonsolves and Maddie I believe Killi Gonsolbis was
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  Speaker 1: She was stabbed multiple times, but in her face alone.
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  Speaker 1: There were over twenty stab wounds. Now, I'm just a
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, you're the shrink.
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  Speaker 3: But when a.
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  Speaker 1: Victim is stabbed repeatedly in the face, there has got
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  Speaker 1: to be a psychological motivation there. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it is, but I bet you do.
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  Speaker 14: That's rage, Nancy, and that's very symbolic because he's trying
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  Speaker 14: to wipe out her face. He's angry even though he
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  Speaker 14: had no contact with her. This is a guy who
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  Speaker 14: just couldn't control himself when it came to her. He
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  Speaker 14: was obsessed, and so you are wiping out the person.
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  Speaker 14: In some instances, a killer will put a cover over
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  Speaker 14: somebody's face, a pillow, something to hide them. They just
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  Speaker 14: don't want to see, and they want to obliterate that person.
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  Speaker 14: She was beautiful and that really disturbed him. Let me
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  Speaker 14: get rid of who she is in all her beauty,
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  Speaker 14: because she doesn't want me.
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  Speaker 3: You know another thing, a Karen Stark. You know my mom.
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to be ninety four in December and lives
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  Speaker 1: with us. The act of stabbing a little old lady
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  Speaker 1: in her bed, either bedridden or asleep. That's a whole
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  Speaker 1: other level of evil right there. Now. I know no
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  Speaker 1: one's life is more valuable than another person's life.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care if we're talking.
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  Speaker 1: About a movie star, TV star like Matthew Perry, or
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about this eighty one year old ma. But
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  Speaker 1: to attack a completely defenseless person, that's a whole another
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  Speaker 1: can of worms. Psychologically, what is that? It's like she
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  Speaker 1: didn't killing a mockingbird.
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  Speaker 14: That's true, but we don't really know, Nancy, what was
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  Speaker 14: going on inside of that person's head.
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  Speaker 3: Karen Stark, excuse me one moment.
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  Speaker 1: Did I just hear you say it matters what's going
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  Speaker 1: on inside that person's head, the stabber, the killer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't care what's going on in their head unless they're
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  Speaker 1: legally insane, doesn't matter. You know how many years it
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  Speaker 1: took me to figure that out? It was either five
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  Speaker 1: or seven because I marked it. I would sit in
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  Speaker 1: court looking over at the defendant, always a violent felon,
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  Speaker 1: because everything else will get plat out, thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Why why would they do this?
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  Speaker 1: Finally, I think it was year five. I'm like, why
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: am I asking why? It doesn't matter what's going on
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: inside his head. I have a case to prove, and
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to prove it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: So are you?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: As an eighty one year old bedridden woman in her bed,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: stab multiple times, potentially in the face. And you want
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: me to figure out what's going on in the killer's mind?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Did you say that?
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 20:14
  Speaker 14: I said, we don't know what's going on. But what
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: I was trying to say, Nancy, is that whoever this
• 20:21
  Speaker 14: person was, they had tremendous just like codburger rage, rage
• 20:27
  Speaker 14: to do so many stab wounds, rage to do somebody's space.
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: If that actually happened, something was going on with they
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: really did not want to make that person be recognizable.
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: They were obsessed in.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: This killer crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: College professors now have a high tech tool to catch
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: students who plagiarize. A software called turn it in analyzes
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: as students for places it could have been copied from
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: other sources. It highlights the copied segments, and evening is
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: a professor a percentage of the paper that was not the.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Results of the student's work in the first place. From
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: our friends at Fox two.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: With over a decade of experience as a broadcast journalist,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Angie Mock was known for her hard hitting reports on crime. Ironically,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: she now finds herself at the center of a murder.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Case, joining US Melissa McCarty, reporter and host of The
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Killer Jeans Melissa. Both women were transported to the hospital.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Describe their two injuries because they are diametrically opposed. Right.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: Anita Avers had multiple stab wounds and when she was
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: transported she ended up dying at the hospital, was pronounced
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: about thirty minutes later. Now, Angie Mock had some cuts
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: on her hands and she was treated as.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Well and release. If I am not mistake, she was
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: treated and released as right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Very same day, very same day. Can I see Melissa McCarty, Please,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Melissa McCarty, are you telling me that the eighty one
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: year old mother was stabbed multiple times in the torso
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and possibly the face and dies and the glamorous TV
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: anchor had some cuts on her hands.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Is that right? That's right, that's right. She was also
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: covered in.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Blood, covered in blood. Now I find it very curious
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to Dave mack joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. Very curious, indeed,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: how did the morning TV news anchor survive the attack
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: with a few cuts on.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Her hands and her mother bedridden?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Is the target of a maniacal killer and is stabbed dead?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: How does that happen?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: You?
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Know and Nancy, that's the question that they're going to
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: have to answer very quickly, because she was able to
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: get out of the house and wave down help. Remember
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Angie Mauck actually went out into the street, is waving
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: down people for help and get the cell phone from
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: somebody she doesn't even know, just gets it and runs
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: back into the house. So she's still got plenty of energy,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: She's still able to get up and go and ask
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: for help. And yet her mother is there in the
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: bed having been massacred. So don't know what exactly transpired,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: except she had plenty of energy to go out and
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: get help for herself.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Dave mac do you know what you just did to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: me when you're talking about her mother? I felt like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I swallowed a lump of coal, like something stuck in
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: my throat. I just want to jump up and run
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to get to my mom and check on her.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, well you just brought up.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Something really interesting that I hadn't thought. Not just as
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: she survived in Maniacal Killer with a few cuts on
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: her hands, but somehow was drenched in blood.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Isn't that right?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Melissa that said, yes, No, she's drenched in blood all
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: over the front of her right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Correct, Dave Mac. Back to you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So she's drenched in blood from what the cuts on
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: her hands, but you brought up that she's still an
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: excellent condition. No blow to the head, no gash, no
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: wound to her the back of her head. She is alert,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: she's not screaming, get the guy, Get the guy. Somebody
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: broke in her house. There's which reminds me. Was there
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: any sign of forced entry, Dave Mac at all?
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: None, none whatsoever that we've been told about at this point, Nancy.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: And like you said, she's got plenty of time and
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: energy to go around and go outside the house and
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: seek help. So she's able to have her thoughts. She's
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: not freaking out in that she cannot put a thought
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: together here. She's able to go outside and get help.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: And you know, she didn't seem to be other than
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: the blood on her hands, doesn't seem to be impacted whatsoever.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: You know, that's also curious. She says, she's not freaked out.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: But she did run out of the house to borrow
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a stranger who was a neighbor, but they didn't really
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: know each other's phone, grabbed the neighbor's phone and then
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: ran back into the home with it. I wonder why
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: she didn't use a phone in the home or her
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: own cell phone.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just trying to think this through, Dave.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: If I found someone injured in our home, I would
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: not run out in the street to try to borrow
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: somebody's phone that may or may not be out there.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I would use the home phone if they have one,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: or my cell phone.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: That's odd, isn't it. Don't you find that odd?
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: I found it odd that she ran outside the house
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: because her mother is there in the bed, and as mentioned,
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: she's got multiple stab wounds, but she doesn't have the
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: wherewithal to get a phone in the house. I mean,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: come on, you probably got in that home. You've probably
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: still got a wall, a phone on the wall, not
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: to mention several cell phones from the adults that are
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: there in the home. But instead of any of that,
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: she goes outside, and all I'm thinking if we're maybe
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: she was outside afraid that the killer inside. I don't know, Nancy,
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: it makes no sense. You wouldn't leave your mother.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: In bed outside afraid of the killer still in the house.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I like that, Dave. He's got a future of fiction.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Listen the eighty one year old Anita Avers found unresponsive
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: in her bed with multiple stab wounds. Transported to the hospital,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: as is her daughter, Angie Mock, the woman who approached
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: police in the street when they arrived. Mock, a former
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: television news anchor reporter, is treated and released from the hospital. Well,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: Happy Facebook Friday to everyone, and welcome Angima.
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I am so excited to be here. And I look
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: for me and with you guys out there in Saint
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Louis from Fox Too.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: The former news anchor was living with her eighty year
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: old mother in their Wichita home on Halloween night, the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: spotlight shifted dramatically on to Mock as events took a
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: dark turn.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: A dark turn again, that's certainly putting perfume on the pig.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: A dark turn. It sounds like a mystery novel. This
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: is no mystery novel, and it's not a dark turn.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It's murder, and it's the murder of a defenseless eighty
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: one year old woman apparently bed ridden. You know, I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: just heard something to Melissa McCarty, Is it true that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the glam Morning TV anchor was.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Living with her mother? What in her mother's home? Whose
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: home was that?
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: That's what it seems. So police have not gone on
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: the record to confirm it, but it seems as though
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: they were living together.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Hmm, guys, what happened in that bedroom? How did Angeline
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: mock end up unscathed?
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: She was treated?
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: What?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Jim Elliott?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They spread a little back teen honor went goodbye, goodbye?
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: What? And the mother's dead? Stab multiple times? You don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: found you don't have a problem with that because I do.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: Well, So I think you know the difference is an
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: eighty or eighty when you're a woman versus someone twenty
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: or thirty years younger, the younger person could arguably be
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: more able to defend herself than what's her mother.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying she could defend herself. Okay, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: see where you're going with that. Doctor Prea Banergy is
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: with us doctor Priya board certified forensic pathologists and anatomic
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: pathologists with Anchor Forensic Pathology consulting. Let's just say she's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of dead bodies, Doctor Priya, what is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the difference between a defensive state wound and a stab wound?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You would get to your hands when you are the attacker,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: for instance, your hand sliding down the knife unless you're
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like Brian Coberger who had a k bar knife which
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: has a hilt. What is a hilt? It looks like
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a cross. There is a section that turns the blade,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it bisects it and if you're the stabber, your hand would.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Stop at the hilt.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, So if there is a knife that does not
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: have a hilt, how can you tell the difference between
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a wound sustained to the hand if you are the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: stabber versus a defensive wound.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that could be challenging. You need to
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: look at where it is.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: If you're putting your hands up this way on the back,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that is obviously defensive.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Happen in any way? Have the knife ub.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Use the back of your hand to stab someone now,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: but on the palms and it's really deep.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe you did have a grabbing motion where the knife slip.
• 30:13
  Speaker 14: Remember, repeated stabs make the knife bloody, would make it slippery.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Earlier, you heard a veterman trial lawyer Jim Elliott describe
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: why the morning TV news star could have escaped a
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: deranged killer unscathed because she's twenty to thirty years younger
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: than her eighty one year old mother. Typically the state
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: does not have to prove motive. But I'd be very
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: curious to find out who would want to kill an
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: eighty one year old little old lady asleep in bed,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the degree of physical acumen, the lack of aging symptoms,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: being very very physically active. Yes, I could see that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: as it is. Cause let's take a look at Angeline mock.
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: Well, Ferrell's biggest fan, Angie mock Hey, big fan, right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: oh huge Lambert Airport, Better get ready for me.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: You're going to be there, right, Yeah, I'm anger.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Angie mock is a former TV anchor who spent several
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: years waking up the Saint Louis area anchoring the morning
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: news on Fox two. He's spend years as a reporter
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: and anchor working for Fox twenty five Oklahoma City, KLK
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: in Nebraska, now NBC Montana and others.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: I love highlighting so many cool and it's interesting things
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: that come to the Saint Louis area.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: How do we go about training like the professional last
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: curve ball?
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Let's straight it out.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Scary. That's aroun our friends at Fox two News, and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: we showed you that to explain that. Jim Elliott is
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: absolutely correct. She's in great physical shape. So is that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: how she escapes the deranged killer and her mother does not?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: To Melissa McCarty joining us from Killer Jeans, was there
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: a forced entry? Did first responders see anyone leaving the home?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Or did the neighbor who lent her cell phone to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: mak did she see anyone leaving the home or a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: car speeding away anything like that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: There was no forced entry, and according to police, there
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: were two people, Angie standing outside the home and her
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: mom on responsive inside the home.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: That's it. Did she make a statement at all?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: To Dave Mack, joining US investigative reporter Crime Stories, what
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: if anything did Angie Mock have to say?
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: Well, she hasn't made anything public that we're aware of,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: and only getting secondhand information about what may or may
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: not have been said to the nine to one one dispatcher.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I'm being very clear, Dave. What
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: did she say?
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: She said that she did it in self defense, that
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: she was trying to save her own life, intimating that
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: it was a fight with her mother and she had
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: to use the knife to protect yourself.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Angelaine Mock, the morning TV news anchor, actually says she
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: stabbed her mother in self defense. I believe your eloquent
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: words were she did it in self defense? What it
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: was a killer be kill situation?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Is that where you're.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Saying, Dave Mac, that is exactly what I am saying
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: that she claims.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, what a difference a night can make.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Check out Angie Mock in that photo.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Ouch, there's a side by side. I don't want to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: be part of that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Hold on, Jim Elliott, you're the veteran child lawyer.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I guess this is one of the reasons you tell
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: your clients shut your pie hole. Is anybody going to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: believe that Angelin Mack was defending herself against her bedridden
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: mother and a killer be killed situation?
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, how do you even look at a judge.
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: She's going to have to explain that, And I mean,
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: I guess they'll come up with some concept of who
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: knows physical or mental abuse over her lifetime or something
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: of that sort that she may attribute it to.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, Jim Elliott, Now again, you're just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: spinning it out. Put it in that, please, Jim Elliott.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'm you have children. I assume you read them the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: story of Rumpel Stealskin.
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: Yes, of course. Yes.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you know where I'm going with this.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Rumpel stealskin took Hay and he just spun it out
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: into gold. And that's what you're doing right now, now,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: do you, Jim Elliott? And again, you're a veteran trial
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: war lawyer. Your record shows you want a lot of cases.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You represent multiple state and local municipalities. You're actually somehow
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: coming up with the theory that this anchor can I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: see her please, That the TV anchor who can add lib,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: who can rescript, who can do all sorts stuff on air,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: antics that she endured a lifetime of either physical, mental,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: or emotional abuse. Did you just throw that out as
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a possibility, Jim Elliott.
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: It's a possibility, certainly. And we don't know exactly. I mean,
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: all she said was to save myself. We don't know
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: what that means.
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: We don't know what that means physically, whether there are
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: other issues that play in their relationship or in her
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: life or our mother's life. And I think that has
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: to be fully explored before we can understand.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: But she's going to have to explain my stars. I
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: need a shrink crime store with Nancy Grace.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I need a shrink, Karen Stark, I'll forego the drink.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: And I'll stick with a shrink.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to hear about any of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: your specific clients, but how many times do your clients
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: blame mommy?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I've started a fund for my daughter and
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: son for.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: A shrink someday because I'm sure they're gonna blame everything
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: on me. Yes, mommy told me I was fill in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the blank. My mommy made me feel in that blank.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: It's all mommy's fault.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Did you hear Elliott? The woman is bedridden. She's eighty
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: one years old.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I don't care what she told you when you were
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: five years old to stand up straight.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: And eat your vegetables. What did you hear that? Because
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: that's where this is going.
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: It doesn't make any sense, it really if you think
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: about it. Yes, mothers, fathers, they really affect their children
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: growing up.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: And that's a fact.
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: Whatever is going on that we're talking now about an
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: adult and a mother who is eighty eighty one, there
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: was no reason for that to still be held over
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: and something that's in her psyche. At this point, she's
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: gone on with her life and she should be doing
• 37:17
  Speaker 14: really well and not be blaming anybody, Karen, because she's independent.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Karen, you keep talking about it in her mind. We
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: don't even know if there is anything that the now
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: dead mom did the eighty one year old. For all
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I know, she was an incredible mom. We're just you
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: are actually buying into Jim Elliott's theory that maybe maybe
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: this woman was emotionally abused by her mom for years
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and years and years, so she just had a stab
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: or dad.
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: Well, that's the whole point.
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: It doesn't matter what their relationship was like. It really does,
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: announcing because at this stage in her life, she's a
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: functioning we assume adult, and she should not be carrying
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: any kind of feelings about her mother.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: That's interfering.
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: What would make her Who would do that stab their
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: own mother?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: That hardly ever happens.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Police responded to a reported stabbing at Mock's residence. Angeline
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: was found outside, claiming she acted in self defense after
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: stabbing her mother. Inside, officers discovered her mother in bed
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: suffering from.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Multiple stab womers.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Hmm, Okay, this is a tactic that will likely be
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: used by the state if this case goes forward. All
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of the clips that we're showing you every word Angie
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Mock has uttered on air will be combed through and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: used if possible in court to show that she was
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: in her right mind. I mean, well, this is why
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: there's got to be a mental defect defense, because she
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: blurted it out at the Get and Go.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Listen, I've heard stabbed the who raised about five to
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: six knives and that's apparently with her mom.
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: She's also from the home.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, it was wonderful. Family was in town. They're
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: leaving the day. I don't know where my tissues are.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: That's all right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Family's in town, they're leaving today. That was from my
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  Speaker 1: friends at K A K E and Fox Too. I
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  Speaker 1: want to hear that one more time, what she said
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  Speaker 1: on the scene or to the nine one one dispatch,
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  Speaker 1: and then.
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  Speaker 3: Her crying about her family leaving after the holiday. Let's
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  Speaker 3: watch that one more time.
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  Speaker 12: Who probably raised about five to six knives and that's.
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  Speaker 6: Apparently with her mom.
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  Speaker 12: She's also from the home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, it was wonderful. Family was in town. They're
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  Speaker 3: leaving the day. I don't know where my tissues are,
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  Speaker 3: that's all right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have those fancy soft fly tissues behind bars.
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  Speaker 3: Miss Mark that's from K A K. E and Fox
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  Speaker 3: to Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, and so much more,
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  Speaker 1: author of workplace safety co host Girl Shields podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It goes on and on and on thoughts.
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  Speaker 9: There's so many thoughts about this. When she came out
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  Speaker 9: of her house and said what she said, allegedly, she's
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  Speaker 9: putting herself as the person responsible for it. The reasons
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  Speaker 9: for it can get figured out later when you look
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  Speaker 9: at the situation. She's living with her mother for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 9: maybe as a caretaker, maybe a financial.
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  Speaker 1: Need, probably rent free. I'll just throw that in. Go ahead, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: that's why our friends at Fox to everybody, I'm sorry, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Looks is the life has held her a very bad
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  Speaker 9: set of hand, bad hand, so to speak, set of cards.
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  Speaker 9: She does not look like the same person. Something is
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  Speaker 9: on a downslide, and maybe she blames the mother for
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  Speaker 9: things in her life, sees the mother as holding her
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  Speaker 9: back in many reasons. I would love to know the story,
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  Speaker 9: the true dynamic in the relationship, why she's living there,
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  Speaker 9: what caused in any other domestic calls there, What would
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  Speaker 9: lead her to this. Maybe it's narcissism, Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: She's I'm sorry, but are you Are you a mental
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  Speaker 1: health professional because I thought you were a former NYPD
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  Speaker 1: to take a sergeant I.
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  Speaker 9: Am, which is equivalent to a master's in psychology in
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  Speaker 9: many ways.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, Okay, you and I both know that motive is
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  Speaker 1: not required.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care. I mean, my non prosecutor side does care.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the facts that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: put in front of a jury.
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  Speaker 3: I am asking you.
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  Speaker 1: You're the former NYPD, and I keep saying that because
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  Speaker 1: you have more cases than practically any other jurisdiction in
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  Speaker 1: the country that you have handled. Personally analyze the facts.
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  Speaker 1: We'll deal with her mental defect defense that she's you know,
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  Speaker 1: really painting herself in a corner with because she came
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  Speaker 1: out with self defense, so she's.
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  Speaker 3: Stick with it. That's not going away.
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  Speaker 1: She admitted she did it in self defense. Of course
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that, and I want to hear what
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  Speaker 1: you think about the facts, not your amateur opinion, as
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  Speaker 1: mine would be too.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a shrink about why she did it.
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  Speaker 1: Why does somebody stab a bed ridden eighty one year
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  Speaker 1: old woman.
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  Speaker 9: Don't care the bare facts scene cops get to the scene,
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  Speaker 9: she lives in the home with the mother, and she
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  Speaker 9: is covered in blood, which is indicative of somebody who
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  Speaker 9: has either embraced a dead body covered in blood or
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  Speaker 9: somebody who himself was responsible for it. And the blood
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  Speaker 9: comes out arterial spurts and things like that. Second, she's
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  Speaker 9: got defensive wounds potentially or potentially from a handslide, and
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  Speaker 9: got a knife that's being in a frenzied attack, being
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  Speaker 9: used to attack somebody. She makes a statement indicating she
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  Speaker 9: did it. There's no evidence of entry by anyone else
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  Speaker 9: into the residence. She's the only person responsible. She's taking responsibility.
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  Speaker 9: The mother is bedridden and possible couldn't possibly have posed
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  Speaker 9: a threat with a knife to her daughter Fairfax. No
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  Speaker 9: other suspect.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a look at our top stories.
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  Speaker 8: Several victims survive a hail of bullets and two separate shootings,
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  Speaker 8: but those shootings were at the exact same location.
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  Speaker 6: A glamorous TV news anchor Mock stands charged with first
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  Speaker 6: degree murder for the fatal stabbing of her eighty one
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  Speaker 6: year old mother, Anita Avers. Mock is being held in
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  Speaker 6: the Sedgwick County Jail on a one million dollar bail from.
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  Speaker 1: Fox Too at this hour. As of tonight when we
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  Speaker 1: go to air, this case is still being built by
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  Speaker 1: l E law enforcement. If you know or think you
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  Speaker 1: know anything about the death of this eighty one year
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  Speaker 1: old mom, please dial which CHAWPD three one six two
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  Speaker 1: six eight four one one PETE three one six two
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  Speaker 1: six eight four one one. And remember evil comes in
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  Speaker 1: many forms. Do you think the devil always shows up
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  Speaker 1: at a tux No, don't be fooled by a killer's appearance,
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  Speaker 1: even if she's a glamorous morning TV anchor, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Try to keep your mind on the victim, maybe like
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  Speaker 1: your own mother eighty one, bedridden, stabbed multiple times. Keep
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  Speaker 1: that thought in your head. We remember an American hero,
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  Speaker 1: Detective Corporal Christopher Mock Saint Lucy County Sheriff's killed in
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  Speaker 1: the light of duty after twenty one years on the force,
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  Speaker 1: leaving behind a wife turned widow, Jennifer, and two grieving children.
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  Speaker 1: American hero Detective Corporal Christopher Mock.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy Gray, signing off near by, said