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2/3/26: US Elites Protected From Epstein Files, US Military Equipment Rushed To Iran, Trump Election Takeover · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: with regard to this season ballots in Fulton County situation,
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  Speaker 2: Trump coming out and saying that he thinks Republicans should
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  Speaker 2: nationalize the elections in any number of places. Also, very
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  Speaker 2: interesting election results. We didn't get to this yesterday because
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  Speaker 2: we did all Epstein in the show, but a really
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  Speaker 2: significant result in a Texas State Senate district.
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  Speaker 4: Will take a look at.
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  Speaker 2: And then all held breaking loose between Jasmin Crockett, Colin Alred,
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  Speaker 2: and James Talerigo, we will break down all of the
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  Speaker 2: drama there. That is a really really interesting one. Also
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  Speaker 2: a Trump scandal that may dwarf all other Trump corruption scandals,
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  Speaker 2: and that is a high bar that has already been
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  Speaker 2: set and has direct implications for our foreign and economic policy.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, and we're going to take a look
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  Speaker 2: at this molt book phenomenon.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have been following this online.
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  Speaker 2: There is this AI agent that has been created that
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  Speaker 2: many many people have now you know, are now using
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  Speaker 2: and they put them all in what is like a
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  Speaker 2: reddit for AI agents, and a bunch of like creepy
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  Speaker 2: and disturbing stuff happened. So break down, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: much of this is real? How much of it is
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  Speaker 2: just being pushed by humans. What are people who know
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  Speaker 2: a lot more about this than I do? Or Sagrada
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  Speaker 2: is what are they saying about it? I am personally
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  Speaker 2: extremely fascinated by the whole thing and what it says
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  Speaker 2: about where we are in terms of AI development.
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  Speaker 3: share with a family member or somebody else who's like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: what exactly is going on with this Epstein stuff. But
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  Speaker 3: with that, let's go ahead and get to our interview
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  Speaker 3: with Rocana joining us now as Congressman Roe Conna, he
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  Speaker 3: was the driving force behind the release of the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 3: We're here to get some of his reaction and some
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  Speaker 3: of the follow on. Sarah's good to see you, Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So first of all, let's start.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, there's been an extraordinary amount of attention paid to
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  Speaker 3: the partial release so far of some of the Epstein files,
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  Speaker 3: which you helped force with the legislation that you co
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  Speaker 3: authored there with Thomas Massey. However, as I understand it,
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  Speaker 3: the DOJ is still not fully complying with the legislation.
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  Speaker 5: That you pass.
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  Speaker 1: Could you just lay that out as the author of
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  Speaker 1: that legislation.
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  Speaker 6: Sager, You're right, but there's been so much attention paid
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  Speaker 6: to what hasn't been released. There hasn't been enough attention
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  Speaker 6: paid to the depravity in what has been released. So yes,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to meet with Attorney j Ree Blanche. There's
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  Speaker 6: still about fifty percent of the documents that have not
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  Speaker 6: been released. There are too many redactions, too many people
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  Speaker 6: who were co conspirators are being protected, too many people
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  Speaker 6: who are rich and powerful. Names aren't being released. While
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  Speaker 6: the victims' names were released. But it is staggering was released.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, some of the most powerful people in tech,
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  Speaker 6: in finance, in real estate basically emailing Epstein saying I
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  Speaker 6: want to go to the island where young girls are
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  Speaker 6: being raped, where young girls are being paraded and naked,
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  Speaker 6: and give me a break. Some of these people are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 6: I was going for fundraising. Really you got to go
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  Speaker 6: to Epstein's island to raise money? I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 6: all of the people who were on Epstein's island need
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  Speaker 6: to be investigated.
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  Speaker 5: They need to be asked who was doing the raping,
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  Speaker 5: who did.
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  Speaker 6: They see, and really having an ongoing investigation about what went.
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  Speaker 2: On not only did you push forward this legislation, you
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  Speaker 2: also coined the term Epstein class. And for me, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: the more that i have read these emails, the more
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  Speaker 2: that I've learned about what's in this file, in these files,
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  Speaker 2: the more apt that expression really seems. And I want
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  Speaker 2: to put a seven up on the screen and just
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  Speaker 2: to dig into some of the revelations here about not
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  Speaker 2: just the depravity but the big power and money politics
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  Speaker 2: that were being played here behind the scenes in a
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  Speaker 2: wholy undemocratic way. And so this is one, I think,
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  Speaker 2: very interesting example. You've got Epstein emailing here with Peter Teel.
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  Speaker 2: Tel says to Epstein, you start from the bottom up.
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  Speaker 2: Brexit is just the beginning or I'm sorry Epstein said that,
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  Speaker 2: and then Teal says, of what, and then Epstein says,
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  Speaker 2: return to tribalism, counter to globalization, amazing new alliances.
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  Speaker 4: You and I both.
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  Speaker 2: Agreed zero interest rates were too high, and as I
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  Speaker 2: said in your office, finding things on their way to
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  Speaker 2: collapse was much easier than finding the next bargain. And
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  Speaker 2: what git here says is twenty sixteen exchange between Epstein
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  Speaker 2: and Peter Tilla so essential, really gets the heart of
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  Speaker 2: Epstein's project. I wonder what you take sort of away
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  Speaker 2: from the totality of these things and how it helps
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  Speaker 2: us understand the way that power has actually been operating.
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  Speaker 5: So that's very thoughtful.
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  Speaker 6: Really, this should be a lens into America's elite, and
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  Speaker 6: the question we should be asking ourselves as a society
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  Speaker 6: is how did we produce an elite like this? How
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  Speaker 6: did we produce an elite that is so callow, so immature,
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  Speaker 6: so venal, chasing gratification, raping underage girls or watching as
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  Speaker 6: underage girls or being raped, joking around with each other
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  Speaker 6: about the most heinous things, and having no sense of
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  Speaker 6: moral core or obligation to community like what in this
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  Speaker 6: country produced this at the highest levels of finance, politics,
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  Speaker 6: real estate, business, And what.
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  Speaker 5: Then just get away with things?
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  Speaker 6: And how did we allow for a society with power
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  Speaker 6: and money not only protects itself, but protects itself with
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  Speaker 6: no sense of public spiritedness. It's not just that the
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  Speaker 6: richard powerful are getting away with things, is that they're
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  Speaker 6: getting away with things with a total vapidness, a total immaturity,
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  Speaker 6: a total lack of regard for what America's project is.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things I'm really struck by in the
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  Speaker 3: difference in our systems. Let's say, for example, is that
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  Speaker 3: in the UK, these Lord Mendelssohn revelations are literally threatening
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  Speaker 3: to bring down the government. Let's put a three for
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  Speaker 3: example on the screen. The UK system is snapping too
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  Speaker 3: as a result of these revelations. The Metropolitan Police are
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  Speaker 3: opening an investigation into committing criminal offenses leaking inside information
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  Speaker 3: which Epstein may have used to short and or to
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  Speaker 3: buy stocks with initial knowledge of a bailout. You have
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister who is getting involved in attempting to
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  Speaker 3: strip a period. You had an ambassador who was recalled
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  Speaker 3: after his association with Epstein. We have seen none of that,
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  Speaker 3: as I can tell right now. The only potential consequences
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  Speaker 3: in our country as a result of the Epstein files
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  Speaker 3: released now so far is that maybe doctor Peter Attia
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  Speaker 3: will not be a contributor at CBS News. But any
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  Speaker 3: of the building, there's any of the politicians, all these people.
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  Speaker 3: There's not even a question about accountability in our own country.
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  Speaker 1: I'm dumbstruck, you know, at the difference.
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  Speaker 3: This is a what you know our cousins in the UK,
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  Speaker 3: their government system is reacting entirely differently than our own
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  Speaker 3: country as a result of the release of these files.
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  Speaker 6: You're absolutely right, Sager, And this is why I said,
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  Speaker 6: our focus is so much on what documents released, what
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  Speaker 6: we're redacted, that we're missing the bigger story, which is
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  Speaker 6: that there were dozens of people who are emailing with
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  Speaker 6: Epstein saying I want to go to his rape bilin
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  Speaker 6: this Epstein class and in Britain there were a few
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  Speaker 6: people the Prince, Andrew and and Mandelssohn, and Mendelssohn is
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  Speaker 6: facing an appropriate reaction. Someone said to me, Bro, there's
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  Speaker 6: so many people here that each of them should be
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  Speaker 6: on the front page of the New York Times, of
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  Speaker 6: the front page of coverage. But they're just all getting
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  Speaker 6: by because there's so many. There are dozens of people
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  Speaker 6: who've done worse things than Mendelssohn has, and yet there's
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  Speaker 6: been no accountability. I mean, someone should come up with
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  Speaker 6: a list of every single prominent person who asked Epstein
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  Speaker 6: to go to his island, and that should be published,
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  Speaker 6: and they should be forced, whenever doing an interview, whenever
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  Speaker 6: at a company, to first answer everything they knew about
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  Speaker 6: what was going on on that island.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's worth just laying out a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of what Mandelssohn did do, just because I think
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  Speaker 2: it's again very emblematic of understanding how these power structures work.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were led to believe, oh, Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 2: was this great financial genius.
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  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: There's no real evidence of that, in particular in these emails. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: what you see in this specific case of Mandleson, he
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  Speaker 2: was casually sending Jeffrey Epstein inside information about what the
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  Speaker 2: UK government was going to do during the financial crisis.
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  Speaker 2: So he was getting insider information about Hey, these are
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  Speaker 2: the you know, this is the memo that's going to
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  Speaker 2: the Prime minister. It's looking like we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: a five hundred billion euro bailout. He's getting this information
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  Speaker 2: before it goes public, so hey, look if it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: take a rocket scientist and then go out and trade
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  Speaker 2: on that information and make a whole bunch of money.
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  Speaker 2: There were also exchanges, and this is part of why
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  Speaker 2: Mandelson's in such hot water, where he's strategizing with Epstein
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  Speaker 2: how to serve the banks at the expense of the UK.
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  Speaker 2: So the allegiance there wasn't to his own country. No,
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  Speaker 2: it was to the banking elites, you know, who he
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  Speaker 2: felt kinship with and who he would be dependent on
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  Speaker 2: after he left government to make his own billions, and so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as one particular example, I think it is
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  Speaker 2: an extraordinary example of the way these people operate.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I am truly blown away.
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  Speaker 2: By the level of control and input Epstein had into
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  Speaker 2: any number of countries around the globe and these big
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  Speaker 2: deals and major shifts that were occurring. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's part of what well, you know, I think the
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  Speaker 2: horrific sex acts and crimes are an important part of that,
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  Speaker 2: and that was part of the glue that he used
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  Speaker 2: to hold the whole thing together and to use as
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  Speaker 2: leverage over various powerful people to get them to serve
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  Speaker 2: his interests.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Broader story is truly one of like the secret system
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  Speaker 2: by which the world operates that again has been wholly
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  Speaker 2: unaccountable to the American people or anyone else.
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  Speaker 6: So you're getting to the heart of the matter, and
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  Speaker 6: that is that the Epstein story is not just about
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  Speaker 6: the rape of underage girls from working class families.
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  Speaker 5: The Epstein story is about a group of.
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  Speaker 6: Rich and powerful people who have corrupted and rigged a
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  Speaker 6: system to enrich themselves at the expense of ordinary Americans,
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  Speaker 6: at the expense of the working class.
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  Speaker 5: And the emails are just.
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  Speaker 6: A small window into how this network operates. It's not
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  Speaker 6: just that they have impunity to do horrific things on
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  Speaker 6: an island.
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  Speaker 5: It's that they.
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  Speaker 6: Are working to give each other information, to give each
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  Speaker 6: other deals that aren't on the up and up or transparent,
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  Speaker 6: that allow them to accumulate wealth and power in a
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  Speaker 6: way that no working class person can do.
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  Speaker 5: And this is why people have such anger at the system.
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  Speaker 6: It's that they see the exposure of rich and powerful
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  Speaker 6: people corrupting things. And by the way, your point about
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  Speaker 6: Epstein's actually right. I know enough of these rich people
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  Speaker 6: and billionaires in my district. Let me tell you they
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  Speaker 6: go through such betting to hire people who go do
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  Speaker 6: their accounting or manage their money.
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  Speaker 5: There's no way they would just.
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  Speaker 6: Hire a school teacher to do that if there was
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  Speaker 6: not something else that they were benefiting from. And what
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  Speaker 6: we clearly see is they're benefiting because of this network
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  Speaker 6: of illegality that Epstein has set up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can read emails now, thanks to you, they're
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  Speaker 3: all public there's no great tax advice. The only tax
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  Speaker 3: advice I found is him finding an article written by
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  Speaker 3: a tax professional and saying, hey, maybe we should try
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  Speaker 3: this out.
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  Speaker 1: Not exactly genius.
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  Speaker 3: Move, something that probably people worth much less than him
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  Speaker 3: already were taking advantage of. I do want to get
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  Speaker 3: your reaction here to the way that the Trump administration
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  Speaker 3: has handled and specifically the president. He's saying, I have
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. He was asked about
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  Speaker 3: it just yesterday. Let's get your reaction and take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: And no, he made a statement about me and Jeffrey
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  Speaker 7: Epstein's I have nothing to do with that. I have
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  Speaker 7: nothing to do with Jeffrey Epsin. And in fact, if
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  Speaker 7: you look at the DOJ they announced, you know, they
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  Speaker 7: released three median pages. It's like this they're supposed to
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  Speaker 7: be doing. And frankly, the DOJ, I think should just
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  Speaker 7: say we have other things to do, because that whole
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  Speaker 7: thing has turned out, I mean other than Bill Clinton
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  Speaker 7: and you know, Bill Gates and lots of people that
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  Speaker 7: have there are a lot of questions about it, but
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  Speaker 7: nothing on me. But it was even sort of better
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  Speaker 7: than that because they found that Jeffrey Epstein and this
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  Speaker 7: leesbag writer named Michael Wolfe were conspiring against Donald Trump
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  Speaker 7: to lose the election. So Epstein was conspiring with a
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  Speaker 7: writer for me to lose the election. So right there,
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  Speaker 7: you know that I had nothing to do with this guy.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's a terrible thing, the amount of time
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  Speaker 7: that's being wasted. You know, when Epstein was alive like
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  Speaker 7: ten years ago, nobody cared about it.
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  Speaker 8: But they're only doing it.
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  Speaker 7: But now it's really hitting back on them because Bill
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  Speaker 7: Clinton is such.
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  Speaker 5: A big part of it.
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  Speaker 7: The Democrats are pushing it, and the problem is that
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  Speaker 7: it's turning out to be the Democrats that were with
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  Speaker 7: and conspired with epsin. So I think you're probably going
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  Speaker 7: to see a little pullback from them.
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  Speaker 5: But think of it.
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  Speaker 7: They were working together to try and help me lose
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  Speaker 7: the election. But this is the Oval office, so I
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  Speaker 7: guess that didn't work out too well.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing to do with him. And by the way, the DOJ,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they should just drop it. Your reactions, sir, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 5: This cat's under his skin.
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  Speaker 6: First of all, that image is so emblematic of everything wrong.
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  Speaker 5: With the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 6: These men in black suits right behind him, just sitting
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  Speaker 6: there standing there silently as he spews nonsense. But this
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  Speaker 6: is the one issue which he's losing his base over
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  Speaker 6: and he knows it. This is the issue where he
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  Speaker 6: sees protesters at factory towns, at factories, where he goes
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  Speaker 6: to Michigan saying, you're protecting pedophiles. This is the one
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  Speaker 6: issue where the Maga bass disapproves of what he's doing.
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  Speaker 6: He's being called out by people like Marjorie Taylor Green
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  Speaker 6: and the podcaster Sean Ryan, the second biggest podcaster in
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  Speaker 6: the country, who said, look, why are you protecting these people?
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  Speaker 6: And it reminds his central promise to the American people
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  Speaker 6: that I'm going to tear down a two tier system
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  Speaker 6: of justice. I'm going to go up after these corrupt
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  Speaker 6: elite who offshored your jobs.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to be for the ordinary American.
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  Speaker 6: So people aren't buying it, and I think this is
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  Speaker 6: what frustrates Amy. Keeps saying move on, move on, move on,
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  Speaker 6: But people aren't moving on because it's a window into
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  Speaker 6: the corruption of the elite and now he's part of
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  Speaker 6: it as opposed to an outsider railing against it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go ahead and put a six up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen, because we did have an update here with
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  Speaker 2: regard to the Clintons, which Trump is very interested in
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  Speaker 2: their appearance in the files. If nothing else, they've capitulated
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: now on the House Epstein inquiry. They have agreed to testify,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: you know, just give us an update there, and what
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you think the significance of that would be, what sort
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: of questions you would want to see them answer?
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad that they did that and that they're
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: going to appear now. I do think that Donald Trump
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: should appear as well, given that we're setting this precedent.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: But you know, I would ask Clinton the same questions.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: I'd ask anyone who was corresponding with Epstein, who all
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: do you know went to Epstein's island? Who all do
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: you know we're at these parties? Were you at any
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: of these parties? Did you ever go to the island.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: If you didn't go to the island, who are the
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: people you knew that did go to the island. What
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: are the people that you know who engaged in either
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: sex with Epstein's trafficked women or that you've heard actually
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: engaged in raping underage girls? And then I would talk
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: about the ask him about the money interests and what
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: he knew about Epstein's financial interests. And finally, how is
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: it that Epstein has access all these presidents and world leaders?
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: How is it that what is he doing that's giving
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: him this access?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my final question on the Epstein matter, sir,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: is just broadly, you know, looking for the DOJ. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: know you said you don't necessarily want to focus, but
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I do still think it's important for journalists like ourselves
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: did an entire show yesterday. There's still three million files
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: with outstanding. The administration as indicated that in some cases
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: they have videos depicting like heinous acts, which look, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I understand redaction, et cetera, but we have no confidence
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: right now that any of that is being investigated. What
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: more can you and the Congress do to force the
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: eventual release and especially just to comply with the law
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: that was passed through Congress and signed here by the president,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: because by the president's own comments, it does not appear
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: that that's something that they want to do.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: Well, we actually should focus on what wasn't released because
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: if what was released is bad, what was wasn't released
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: is probably nuclear. Yes, I'm just saying that, let's also understand.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: How bold it is what already was released.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: But you know, Massey and I have requested a meeting
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: with Blanche. He said he's going to meet. We want
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: to see all the unredacted files. We want to see
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: what their justification was for the reactions. We have legal
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: avenues open to us in the Southern District of New York.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: The fact that the survivors have already filed with the
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Southern District of New York saying that justice has violated
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: the privacy of all these survivors gives us an opportunity
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: to pursue legal action. That's why we asked for a
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: special Master, and we still will pursue the.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Avenue of getting the remaining documents.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: What matters, frankly, is that people continue to demand that
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: so far they are. I think that this release has
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: raised more questions than it's answered, and it's something as
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: personal for me. I'm going to continue to fight until
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: every file that should be released is released.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Finally, Congressman, what we have here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you a little bit about
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the ongoing funding issues in regard to DHS and holding
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: DHS and I specifically accountable. You recently responded to a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: clip of Chuck Schumer explaining what some of his funding
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: priorities are.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that clip.
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: For all the a that is re I will continue
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: apply forward and we delivered more security assistance.
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: To Israel Iselin under my leadership than ever ever before.
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: We will keep doing that, everybody. But he's so more
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: funny to give Israel what it needs and to protect
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: yourself from the many in that difficult region for white
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: Israel off.
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: The face of the man.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: So in my estimation, he hasn't done nearly enough to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: fight against the Trump administration. But I do believe him
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: and take him out his word when he says he
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: will fight for that funding for Israel. What was your
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: reaction to seeing that clip from Schumor.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, here is a nation that has committed genocide
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: in Gaza, and Chuck Schumer in the same years is
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: bragging about providing them unconditional military aid. Look, the appropriations
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: bill that's coming to the House today or tomorrow has
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: two problems. It has tripled the ice funding, which I
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: pointed out, and now some of my colleagues are pointing
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: out but it also has a significant blank checked a
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: military aid to Israel. And when I raised that, one
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: or two of my colleagues said, well, why do you
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: have to bring that into it, I said, because both
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: are deeply problematic. We should not be having military sales
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: to a government that committed genocide, and we should not
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: be having tripled the funding for an ICE agency that
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: is violating constitutional rights. You know, I've been thinking about it,
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Chris Lin and I believe that what we need in
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: the Democratic Party in this country is.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: A new moral vision.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: We need to have a simple way of understanding that
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: you can't be for pedophiles, you can't be for ice abuse,
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: you can't be.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: For funding genocide.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: And those are actually the bedrock foundational principles before you
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: have your childcare or economic plan. Let's convince people that
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: we actually have morality again in this country.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Seems like it should be a low bar, but apparently
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: difficult one for far too many to meet.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Congressman, thank you so much for your time, Thank you.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So much for your leadership on the Thank you sure
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: appreciate you.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Thank you appreciate you both.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Joining us now is doctor Trita Parsi to break down
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: this ongoing situation with Iran.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Sir, it's good to see you. Thanks for joining us.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: All right, so let's go ahead and start with these
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: scheduled talks. Let's put this up here on the screen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: It appears some sort of diplomatic negotiations currently happening. US
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Iran nuclear talks planned for Friday, amid military build up.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: We do know, of course, there's ongoing build up of
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: military assets in the regent. Steve Wikoff, Jared Kushner scheduled
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: to meet with the Iranians. However, they're making a pit
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: stop in Israel. I believe they just landed there this morning.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: As you and I are talking, you are a bit
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: skeptical currently about this diplomatic negotiation.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Just break it down for us what we need to know.
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: Well, there are reasons to be skeptical, and there's also
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: reasons to believe that perhaps ultimately this could work. Now
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: let me start with reasons to be skeptical. At the
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: end of the day, we're seeing that the positions on
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: the nuclear issue as well as on missiles, the.
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: Two sides are extremely far away from each other.
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: Iranians have almost zero maneuverability and are not really in
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: a position to give that much, and I think the
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: Trump administration is overestimating Iran's weakness. Ran definitely as weaked
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: and it was two years ago, but not as weak
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: as Trump seems to believe, and as a result, is
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: not ready to just capitulate. And there is a line
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: of thinking in Iran which is that there may be
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: a need for at least a limited military confrontation in
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: which the Iranians respond far, far more harshly than they have
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: so far, in order to dispel the belief in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: Trump administration that Iran is so weak that it has
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: no choice but to capitulate.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: Whether that will work.
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: Out that way, of course, it is a completely different story.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: But the calculation on the Iranian side essentially is they
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: cannot win a war, but they can last long enough
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: to make sure that Trump loses his presidency with the
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: damage that they would be inflicted on him, the damage
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: that would be inflicted on energy markets, inflation in the US,
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera very very destructive approach, obviously, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: as long as the two sides are this far away
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: from each other, and Trump has this type of impatient
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: approach to diplomacy, this could very quickly lead to an
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: escalation in which the two sides just concluded too far
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: away from each other, all of these military assets in
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: the region already, and the pressure on Trump will significantly
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: increase to go at it. On the positive side, you're
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: now seeing the region being fully involved in this, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: the fact that you have countries like Saudi Orman, Pakistan, Egypt,
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: Cutar being included in the meeting in Turkey. Whether the
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: attend or not is remains to be seen, is a
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: very significant development because on the one hand, it signifies
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: how the region is once again trying to impose itself
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: on Trump, as it did with the previous Godza ceasefire,
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: in which by acting collectively they really can get Trump's
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: attention and get Trump to listen to them rather than
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: to listen to Israel. Now, whether that works out this
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: way at this time around, of course, is a different story.
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: The other point of it is that there is so
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: little trust between these between the US and Iran, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: having these regional countries evolved it provides a bit of
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: a guarantee, or a proxy of a guarantee for the
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: Iranians that the Trump administration will uphold its end of
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: the bargain if there is a bargain, given the fact
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: that otherwise it will be betraying the trust of all
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: of these different countries. And again, Trump, unlike previous presidents,
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: actually really does value the view of some of these
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: countries at least and does take their collective view more
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: seriously than, for instance, that Biden administration did. None of this, nevertheless,
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: is a guarantee for an agreement. Ultimately comes down to
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: where their positions are, and right now they're very far
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: away from each other.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: What is your understanding of why there has not been
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: military action to this point.
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: I think the main reason.
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: First of all, about two and a half weeks ago,
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: Trump almost took military action, as you all remember, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: then he called it off. My understanding is that there
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: had been an attempt to get the Iranians to agree
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: to a limited strike in which the Vivonians then would
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: respond symbolically as they had done before, and it would
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: make Trump look very good and the Varians would have
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: escaped a real war.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: But the Yvanian response was no.
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: If there is an attack, you will have full scale war,
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: and I think that took the president back, and that's
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: why he ended up having all of these other military assets.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: Grown to the region.
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: Whether he's doing that because he ultimately wants to attack,
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: or whether he does that because he wants to try
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: that bargain again or try at the diplomatic table, remains
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: to be seen.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: Of course.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I do want to get your reaction. As a
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: report out this morning from Barack Revite. He could take
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: it with a grain of salt, but here's what he says.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: The dynamic shifts shifted a succession of his Really, spies
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: and generals, including IDF Chief of Staff, have visited DC
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: in recent days. It is safe to say nothing came
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: out of the meeting to change the president's mind. Quote
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: it's the really the Israelis who want to strike. The
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: president is not just there. He really does not want
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: to do it. However, could be boxed currently, like you said,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: into a situation. Can you talk here about how the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Israelis have moved the goalpost? So you know the reason
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: for the Twelve Day war was to destroy Iran's nuclear capability,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and they said that they had succeeded in that and
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: thus mission accomplished. And yet here we are six months later,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and now we might bomb you round because of a
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: nuclear facility and or a nuclear program, and now in
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: fact the goalposter moving to missile production, which is their
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: only possible regional detern against Israel.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So it does appear as.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: If the Israelis are significantly putting pressure moving the goalpost
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: to try and move in a direction of war.
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, And I think if you go back to what
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: we talked about back then in July and June, the
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: bottom line is that once Trump agrees to a small
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: bit of the Israeli position, that's what he boxes himself.
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: He did that last time. He could have pursued diplomacy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: He could have pursued it based on his original demand
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: of no nuclear weapon. He accepted the Israeli position of
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: no enrichment, and of course it led him to a
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: dead end and military action ensued. Now he's then gone
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: along and accepted missiles as a new demand, despite the
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: fact that he just said that, you know, this whole
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: issue is resolved. Then again he agreed that there's a
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: problem with the missiles apparently, and here we are again
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: on the brink of war. If he really does not
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: want to go to war, then he should not accept
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: the premise of the Israeli position, because the premise of
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: the Israeli position is designed to bring the United States
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: into this war. Now, one very important aspect that is
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: not really fully discussed in Washington, in my view, is
• 28:46
  Speaker 11: that you have this regional constellation not just trying to
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: avoid a war, but they're actually really tried to save
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: a certain balance in the region, which requires that there
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: isn't a war, that van doesn't become completely weakened because
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: a new situation has emerged in the region following the
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: US completely lifting all restrictions on Israel during the Biden administration,
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: which then led to Israel bombing seven countries in the region,
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: including US allies such as Qatar, and it turned out
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: that the United States is no protection against Israel for
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: these countries, as air defense systems don't even activate when
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: Israel attacks. And this has now led to such engine
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: in which these countries need to have their own balancing
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: against Israel. And within that context, a war with Iran
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: that either further weakens Iran or you have chaos in
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: Iran or you have a pro Israel puppet installed in
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: Iran is a devastating geopolitical development for these countries. Despite
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: the fact that they're no fans of the Islamic Republic.
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: They do want to see Iran weaken, but not further
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: than what it already is, because if it is weaken
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: further than this point, it starts affecting their security negatively,
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: because they will have a harder time ballot and seeing
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: against what they view as.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: An increasingly aggressive and unrestrained Israel.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: How do you think Trump is thinking about this? I
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: understand what Israel wants in terms of you know, vis
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: a vis Iran. They want either regime changed to some
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: puppet regime or total state collapse. And you've laid that
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: out very effectively. What does Trump really want here?
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Is it just.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Another you know, sugar high like he had his successful
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: military quote unquote victory in Venezuela.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: What is it truly that he's actually after?
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: I do think that there is a search for sugar
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: highs and an overconfidence following both the Midnight Hammer as
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: well as the operation in Venezuela, in which there is
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: this naive belief that this can just be cookie cutter
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: repeated wherever he wants to go, and it just simply cannot.
• 30:50
  Speaker 11: I do think that he wants to be able to
• 30:52
  Speaker 11: deliver something on this issue to pacify those voices that
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: are constantly pressuring him. But here's that is in miscalculation.
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: They will not be pacified until he has gone into
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: full scale war with you on there is no half measure.
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: Either you tell them no or you're going to have
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: to tell them yes. And if you give these half
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: yeses every six months, they're going to come back and
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: you're going to have to give another half yest and
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: another half yest, and eventually you will be in the
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: full scale war on behalf of Israel.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: So one of my questions here also is there's potential
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: talks of off ramps. Let's say the Iranians agree to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: suspend enrichment but not give up all enrichment. Do these
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: not yet still feel like half measures? Because if you're
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: an Iranian negotiator, the last time that you were scheduled
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: to meet with Steve Wikoff, it was cover for a
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: strike on your country, and perhaps that factored into their
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: more recent calculation saying, look, we are not taking symbolic strikes.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: If you hit us, it's on from their perspective, how
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: are they looking at things, and especially in the context
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of their regime, as you said, it stands together. However,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: it is slightly weakened after the ongoing protests.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Talk about the domestic dynamics inside.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: I run on the first issue. You're quite right.
• 32:10
  Speaker 11: If the perception they have is if they give on enrichment,
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: then they will be missiles. If they give on missiles,
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: eventually it will be kitchen knives. There's no end to this.
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: So I find them very unlikely to give something that
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: is really irreversible. Now there's some rumors that there's talk
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: about giving up the four hundred kilos of sixty percent
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: and enrich uranium that is somewhere under the mountain. It
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: seems like the Vannians themselves don't have access to it,
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: so the idea that it's leverage for them is a bit.
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: Of a stretch.
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: So giving it up perhaps is more valuable than it
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: otherwise would be. But the question is do you combine
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: that with a complete end to enrichment zero Richmond I
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: would have. I would be very surprised if that is
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: the position the Vannians take, and particularly mindful of the
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: fact that there are elements, powerful elements within the IRGC
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: who were completely opposed to the ceasefire in the Twelve
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: Day War, who believed that Ivan was starting to win
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: the war. The idea that they would go from that
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: to suddenly completely capitulate seems very odd to me. Now
• 33:14
  Speaker 11: the domestic situation is very, very problematic. At the end
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: of the day, Yvan is still in a complete state
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: of shock. The killings were on an unprecedented scale. I
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: don't believe some of these huge numbers are being thrown
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: out there because the methodology behind them doesn't seem to
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: be sound. But it does seem very likely that between
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: five and six thousand, or perhaps more up to seven
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: thousand were killed, and that is a huge number. It's
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: never happened before, and this has just left the country
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: in a state of shock. It has further eroded whatever
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: little legitimacy the regime had. It has also consolidated other
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: elements within the security apparatus because they also point to
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: this other fact that there is rarely talked about, which
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: is they were also clearly very very violent elements within
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: the protest movement. I personally think that they're separate from
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: the protest movement. There is something that was there that
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: was going to take advantage of massive protests to do this.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: I spoke to one person who was out in the streets,
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: had been in every protest before from two thousand and nine,
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: and he said that they were just shocked to see
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: these men in black acting very fast, you know, looked professional,
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: had clear plans putting buildings on fire, fighting with police,
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: putting policemen on fire. And in two thousand and nine
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: he told me that whenever there was any violence, the
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: protesters themselves quickly put an end to it because they
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: had such a strong discipline of non violence. This time around,
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: he said, no one there to intervene because people were
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: equally afraid of these violent elements within the protest movement
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: as well as the thugs of the besiege movement, this militia, etc.
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: So he actually ended up going home because, like, this
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: was not what I signed up for. I wanted to
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: protest against the government about what they're doing, the horrible
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: state of life in Iran, but not this. So I
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: think there's another narrative out there, another reality that is
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: not being discussed enough, because you know, even the US
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: government acknowledges that about three hundred police were killed. Well
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: how are they killed?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Who killed them? And within health going ups come from?
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, like where did the weapons come from?
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: And then you have Mike Pompeo given interviews to Israeli
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: news outlets claiming that, you know, the US did everything
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: it could to help the protesters, including weapons. I don't
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: know if that's true or if that's just his way
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: of sabotaging the talks and playing psychological warfare. But bottom
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: line is, we know that this was very, very different
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: from any previous protest. But that also then indicates that
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: the regime has to a very large extent lost control
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: of the security of the country. So even if their
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: narrative has some element of truth, it actually is a
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: strike against them because it reveals that they actually have
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: not been able to root out the presence of either
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: violent element events or elements that have been supported by
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: outside groups.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: My last question for you is do you have any
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: sense of whether there are elements within the Iranian government
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: or within the IRGC that say, you know, what, the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: logic is such, we should actually race to a bomb
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: because that is the only thing that is going to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: act as a deterrence. That is the only way these
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: people will ever even consider leaving us alone.
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: They certainly are, and those voices at this point probably
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: are a majority.
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: They never were a majority. Prior to all of this.
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: The question, though, is order the obstacle they have is
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: that the Supreme Leader himself seems to be dead set
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: against it. He at least seems to take his own
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: fatua very seriously against nuclear weapons. There is a lot
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: of frustration within the system amongst those who believe that
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: this is the only rational choice that Iran can make
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: at this point, and it's not being pursued in their view,
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: because of him. At the same time, we also have
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: to acknowledge if they were racing behind the scenes for
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: a bomb, they would be acting exactly like they're acting
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: right now, which is continue to insist that they're not
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: doing so. Pursuing your weapon is a much more quiet
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: endeavor than running a large civilian nuclear program. It could
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: be done in very small labs, in garages, et cetera.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Does the US and Israel have the intelligence to be
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: able to completely detect that or not?
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: We don't know.
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: We have not seen any signs from the Israeli saying
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: that the Yvanis are actually building a bomb. They're leaking
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: intelligence reports valid or not, that the Yvanis are trying
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: to revive certain aspects of the program, but they haven't
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: come out and said that there's a secret weapon program
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: going on. So reality is, in the absence of IA inspectors,
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: it's very difficult to know exactly what is happening.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very good points. All right, sir, thank you so
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: much for joining us. We always appreciate your Thank you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: So. In a podcast appearance with Dan Bongino, President Trump
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: made some pretty wild comments about elections.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: These people were brought to our country to vote, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: they vote illegally, and the you know, amazing that the
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: Republicans aren't tough for on it. The Republicans should say
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: we want to take over, we should take over the voting,
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: the voting and at least many fifteen places the Republicans
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: or to nationalize the voting. And we have states that
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: are so crooked and the accounting votes. We have states
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: that I won that shoe I didn't win. Now you're
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: going to see something in Georgia where they were able
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: to get with the court order the ballots. You're going
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: to see some interesting things come in.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Now, if this was a one off, maybe you could
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: just dismiss it as you know, Trump doing Trump's stuff
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and just saying some bullshit and not really backing it up.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: But we have a bunch of other things going on.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Number One, as you guys know, because we reported here.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: They came in.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: FBI came in and seized all ballots from twenty twenty
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: in Fulton County, Georgia, which was of course the at
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the center of a bunch of the stop the Steel
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: nonsense conspiracies.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: After twenty twenty or more.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Tulci Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, was there for
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: some reason. So you have that, you have Pam Bondi
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: sending a letter to the state of Minnesota saying basically, hey,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: we'll pull our federal agents out on the streets if.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: You hand over your voter rules. So using their.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Sort of like federal occupation of the city of Minneapolis
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: as a cudgel to try to extract the voter roles
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: from Minnesota. In addition, the Department of Justice is suing
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: twenty plus states for the same reason to try to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: acquire their voter rules. Trump himself is indicated he does
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: not believe that they are going to organically do well
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in the midterm elections. He pins that on just so
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the party in power never does well, etc. So he's
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: aware that he has an electoral problem here. You couple that,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of course with the fact that this is the same
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: man who did try to steal the twenty twenty election,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and we all watched how that played out, and told
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: The New York Times recently that he regrets he didn't
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: go further and have the National Guard seize the ballot
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: boxes in tw When you put it all together, Saga,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I would say, it paints a pretty disturbing picture.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Now we're in crazy town. We're in straight crazy town.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Let's put the next one up here on the screen.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Trump had unusual call with FBI agents after elections search.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: So Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, broker the call,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: and President Trump has directly questioned frontline agents on the inquiry.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: By the way, this has not been denied in terms
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: of what happened behind closed doors. Tulsi gabberd the D
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and I met with some of the FBI agents of
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: the Field Bureau office in Atlanta conducting the election inquiry.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: They could not say why she was there, but her
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: continued presidence has raised eyebrows. Shortly after the raid, the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: President addressed the agents on speakerphone, asking them questions as
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: well as praising and thanking them for their work on
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: the inquiry. A black call lasted for some one minute.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I think more importantly, what it does highlight is Tulsi's
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: own role in all of this, and in fact, we
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: do have a more recent notification from Tulsi Gabbard to Congress.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: What it shows here is, they say in the letter
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: to lawmakers in a congressional create as to why she
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: even participated in the raid on Fulton County, that she
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: has the power under federal law to analyze intelligence related
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to elections security. So they say in the twelve FBI
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: field offices across the country, the domestic DNI REP program
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: was established through an MoU with the ODN, I and
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: the FBI. I have visited several of these representatives across
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the country, and in that capacity is what she participated in.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: What I noted as well is that Tulsea Gabbert has
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: been significantly shut out of this administration as of late.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: So on Venezuela, they said that the D and I
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: should stand.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: For do not invite.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: She had her heyday a few months ago whenever she
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: was part of the remember the whole Obama Gate thing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: They said this is the biggest conspiracy in American history,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and that Obama was going to get indicted for treason.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Quite literally, nothing happened as a result of that. I
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: am looking at this in particular a lot of her
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: more recent actions. This is a way for her to
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: get into his good graces, not just good graces, but
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: to reraise her profile within MAGA.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: This is a constant theme.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: In the Trump white House is that when you need
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: to get back into Trump's good graces, you satisfy and
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: are willing to do the absolute craziest shit that nobody
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: else is willing to touch. And that's exactly basically what
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: has happened here. But look, people should freak out, like
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, we should not minimize it. This
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: is crazy. Yeah, because this is the literally the whole
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: like national voting thing. We could talk in the abstract.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like the third term. I'm like, yeah, sure,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I agree. Our election systems and all of that are
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: you know, are antiquated, ridiculous. I do think there should
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: be federal standards. We could put all of that to
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: a side. The problem in this case is that this
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: is purely a result not only of the imagination but
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: very specific subset of like MAGA and stop the Steal,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: which usually wants to BLI all of it, Like this
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: is you know, I've talked about high IQ stop the steel,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: which is my career. Oh yes, we should have federal
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: election standards and vote or I D fine whatever, Okay,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah cool.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But this is not what that is, right? What Trump
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is talking la dominions.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: We talked a lot about this during Stop the Steels, Like, guys, no,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: that's he doesn't mean the Pennsylvania Supreme Court change mail
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: in ballots, Like he actually thinks that somebody wrote in
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: you know, fake ballots or whatever based on bamboo that
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: were shipped by Venezuela and Chinese dominions.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Like that's what they actually think.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: And they have photos there pose for example, with Sidney
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Powell or the Rudy Giuliani case where everybody pursued now previously.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: So that's the direction that this is all heading in,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: and it's not good.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the most optimistic reading is
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: that this is just con fined in twenty twenty and
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with the twenty twenty six elections. Honestly,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I think you'd have to be pretty pollyannish and a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: fool to really believe that. Now, will they be able
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: to pull off some sort of major disruption that is
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: sufficient enough to stop you know, we're going to talk
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: about what happened in Texas, Like, things are not looking
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: great for the Republicans in terms of how they're likely
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to perform in the midterm election. So will the elections
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: be quote unquote too big to rig? That is certainly
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: a possibility, you know.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I mean they have.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Been they have have had their sales trimmed in certain
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: instances previously in this administration where they haven't been able
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to fulfill their most maximalist goals for a variety of reasons,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: usually involving the stock market. But in any case, so
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's like it's over democracy's debt, et cetera.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: But you should be taking this as seriously as you
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: possibly can. I wanted to mention Seymour Hirsch wrote a
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: substack about the midterm elections, and the overall thrust of
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: his article was that, you know, they're not in great
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: standing politically with the electorate and are likely to face
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: significant midterm losses, but he included this reporting in there,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to mention it because you know, he
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: has been right about a lot in the past. He
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: says that Stephen Miller was the author of an earlier
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: proposal to use local National Guard troops to disrupt the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: midterm elections and critical states if polling predicted the Republican
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Party would lose the House. That suggestion, given the current
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: negative polling in the fiasco in Minneapolis, is now dead
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: in the water. So he says that's something that Steven
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Miller had floated. Now that's not looking like they could
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: pull that off. Another plan that has been discussed in
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the White House is to disrupt a future presidential election
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: when Vice President Jadie Vance might be the candidate in
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: case of a loss at the polls. It was conceived
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: by John Eastman. You guys remember him, the disbarred lawyer
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: he is currently appealing as disbarment in California, who also
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: thought up the failed plan after Trump's election lost to
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty to have Vice President Pence as the president
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: of the Senate exercises legal authority, rejects certified state electors
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and electoral votes for the presidency.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I was told.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Eastman's new scheme, recently the subject of informal discussions at
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: the White House, calls for sympathetic election officials and states
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: where the Democratic candidates win simply to delay or refuse
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: to submit the electoral votes at the time mandated by
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the Constitution.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Eastman's notion is to find.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: A way to avoid to void the electoral votes from
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: states with a large Democratic plurality, so that the number
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: of electoral votes needed to claim the presidency is low
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: enough to turn a losing Republican candidate into a president. So,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: at the very least, this reporting suggests that there are
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: some serious conversations going on, seriously radical conversations going on
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: at the White House with regards both to the midterm
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: elections and.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: To twenty twenty eight.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit specifically about put C four
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: up on the screen, about what the plan may be
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: in Fulton County in particular. This was a This was
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: a piece from Greg Bluestein. Could the FBI raid in
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Fulton set the stage for takeover of counties elections? Now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to understand, Greg Bluestein is a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: straight news reporter. Okay, this is not you know, some
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: lefty conspiracy or liberal resistance tinfoil hat conspiracy. This is
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: based on a law that was passed in the state
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: of Georgia in the wake of twenty twenty that gives
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the Republican dominated legislature the ability to take control of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: county election boards in the event of there's like a
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: series of triggers, and one of them is some sort
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: of investigation into malfeasance. So the idea you're laid out
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: by Greg is that this FBI raid in and of
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: itself could be the predicate for Trump allied Republicans in
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the state, which, by the way, the state election board
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: is now dominated by hardcore Trump loyalists for them to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: take over control of Fulton County elections. If Republicans are
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: able to effectively rig Fulton County and make sure that
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the Democratic vote is significantly depressed enough, it is game
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: over for Democrats in the state of Georgia because the
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: vast bulk of their votes come from Fulton County. This
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: is Atlanta, Georgia, right, This is the heavy population center.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: It's heavily Democratic, and they have to run up the
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: score there in order to win the state. John Ossoff
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: is Senator from Georgia. He's on the Valley's probably the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: most sort of endangered Democratic incumbent in the Senate. So
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: he is putting out here that this could very well
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: be the plan. And when he talked to some of
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the board members on state Board of Elections and other
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: people who are relevant to this, they would not rule
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: out the possibility. And one said, yeah, this is something
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that we are looking at. So with Fulton County in particular,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I think this could be the plan that they're going
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: with here.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like you said, I looked into the specifics
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the state. Georgia State Election Board has to appoint and
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: superintendent to run that county's election. Now, currently we should
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: remember that they're currently the Georgia Secretary of State is
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: actually the chair of the board and only votes in it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Ty that's Brad Raffensburger, who is famous from that previous
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: time period. And it's still kind of an open question
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: at least for two of these people who would be
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: appointed by the House and the Senate. Don't forget, Georgia
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: does also have a significant number of Republicans who broke
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: with Trump on Stop the Steal and previously not just
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: broke one reelection, including from their governor Brad Raffensberger and others.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: But no, we should lay out the possibility because what
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the point is around this trigger is that all they
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: need is something called evidence of dysfunction, even if no
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: wrongdoing is proved now to be I mean, technically you
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: know this is Georgia state law right in the way
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: that this is all written. The question is whether the
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: FBI seizure and eventual case would then be able to
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: be brought to the state super of the state superintendent
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: be appointed, and whether any of this is going to
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: withstand court challenge. Remember too, that evidence of dysfunction from
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: what I read, has to be evidence on its face,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: and in many cases, Trump and his administration has undermined
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: much of their cases because they will undermine, let's say,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: the facts while saying no, this is a political decision,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: just trying to take over, which of course would spell
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: problems for them at a federal law level or sorry,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: at state law level when it would face shock. This
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: is not going to just be quietly into the night.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: This is going to be heavily litigated if something like
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: this does.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Happen, and Trump making that congratulatory call to the FBI
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: agents that Zcaca was talking about before. That does not
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: help the administration's case that this was some neutral fact
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: finding mission. One more piece here that is very weird.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Puts C three up on the screen. So this is
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: regard to Tolsi Gabbard. This was reported by the Wall
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Street Journal. They say that there's a classified whistle blower
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: complaint about Tulsi Gabbard that is stalled within her agency.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I'll read you a bit of this.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: US intelligence official has alleged wrongdoing by d and I
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Toulsi Gabbard in a whistleblower complaint that is so highly
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: classified it has sparked months of wrangling over how to
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: share it with Congress. According to US officials, the filing
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: of the complaint has prompted a continuing behind the scenes
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: struggle about how to assess and handle it, with the
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: whistleblower's lawyer accusing Gabbard of stonewalling the complaint. Gabbard's office
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: rejects that characterization, contending and is navigating a unique set
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: of circumstances and working to resolve the issue. A cloak
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: and dagger mystery reminiscent of a John lecare a novel
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: is swirling around The complaint, which is said to be
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: locked in a safe disclosure of its contents could quote
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: cause grave damage to national security, one officials set. It
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: also implicates another federal agency beyond Gabbert's and raises potential
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: claims of executive privilege that may involve the White House.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: The complaint was filed last May with the Intelligence Communities
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Inspector General, according to a November letter. The letter, which
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: was viewed by The Wall Street Journal, accused Gabbert's office
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: of hindering the dissemination of the complaint to lawmakers by
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: failing to provide necessary security guidance on how to do so.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: The Gabbard people are pointing to, and the administration is
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: pointing to, there was an inspector General who assessed the claims.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: They found one to be not credible, the other one
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: they were able to assess the.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Validity of that claim.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: They appear, on their face, the Trump administration to be
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: in violation of requirements that they share this information with Congress.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: This was reported to them, you know, all the way
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: back in May. And so there's a lot of intrigue
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: surrounding whatever this thing is and why it is being
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: so closely held that it can't be shared with him.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: We're not really even sure if this is relevant to
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: election question. Like you said, it specifically said that the
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: allegation specifically about Gradible Gabbard weren't credible according to the
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Inspector General, and this is.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: One of them. Was any other one they couldn't indeterminate.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: It's I'm skeptical only because I've seen enough of these
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: whistleblower reports end up being bullshit and or like Russia
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Gate level of nonsense. Remember Ukraine Gate under Donald Trump.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: But look, you can't put anything past the current administration.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: So I really have no idea what this entire thing
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: is going to be. Also, you know, one of the
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: reasons why one of the ways we worked on the
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: first Trump administration is you would have these fake whistleblower
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: complaints which would go to Congress and they would leak
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: and it would be anonymous it it would be completely
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: like a manufactured scandal. So I genuinely have no clue
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: what this is. I mean, the story is crazy because
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: it's about being locked and the safe, and it does
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: have all this spy novel characterization. I personally look the
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Fulton thing. There's no whistleblower complaint. It's out and open.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I'm involved, and I was available there.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: She even put her current Twitter bio as a photo
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: of her on the phone right there. There's no hiding
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: this like, it's out and open. This is, in my opinion,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: this is what there is to freak out about.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the reason it could connect is that
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: if there is something that is real and that's damaging
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: in this allegation, I mean, this is something that then
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Trump can use over Tulsi or that she would know
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that they have on her, so to speak, so you know,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: that would make her much more willing to I mean,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: this woman's already violated her supposed principles to the extent
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: she ever had one, in a million different ways.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: But in any case, would.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Provide additional pressure so that you know, she's going to
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: be the face of this nonsense stop the Steel stuff.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And I mean to my recollection back in twenty twenty, like,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, Toulsi supported Joe Biden in that election.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: She was not she was not a stop the steel gal.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: You know, was not aware that she had made this turnal,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: though again not surprising given that any other thing that
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: she supposedly stood.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: For the last she totally lost me.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Whenever she did the Holy Iran turn Oh yeah, basically
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: became Colin Power.
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Looking, or how about when Biden with you're from Afghanistan
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: and she didn't have anything positive to say that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I mean that she was on her turns. That's when
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: she was already becoming a Republican.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at this. She hasn't. I was just
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: asked chat Chie Peti for quotes.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look like she ever made a public declaration
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: on stop the Steal.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, she's supported. But I mean we interviewed her
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: too many times not to know how she used to be. Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: so I don't know.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I mean one of the great lessons over the last
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: five years is that people who you think are for
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: real and will look you in the face literally, let's
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: say in the Tulsi's case, and you believe them. Let's say,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: when what they're say when they come into high office,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: apparently all of that just goes out the window. You
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: can read about it in a book, which I have
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: many times, but to experience it yourself, you're like, wow, okay, well,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: well this is how easy it is to be manipulated.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And I think you both say too, like she's an
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: odd one, she's an inscrutable character. True, So there isn't
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what's in this whistleblower complaint.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's credible.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I have no idea, but you know, I don't put
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: it out of bounds that there was some sort of
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: weird something going on with her.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Was her eccentric character was proof positive that she didn't
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: give a shit.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: That's why she was willing to buck on.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: She was like, I don't care, she says, I don't
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: care about all these tracks, right, and that's why I
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: was very attractive. After a while, you're like, wow, like
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: this is a woman who really does not care about
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Washington establishment or anything. He's willing to say whatever is
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: on her mind, like take very unpopular positions. She stood
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: up to Hillary whenever Hillary accused her of being a
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Russian asset, all this stuff. I really thought she was heroic,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: and I mean probably the person I changed my mind
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: most about, like coming into politics and especially getting to
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: know her. After a while, and then you know, over
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: the years, there are a few breadcrumbs and I was
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: like that's a little weird.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And then you go into the d n I thing.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I said, Okay, maybe it's like RFK, she has an agenda,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: really going to be a fighter on, you know, certain issues.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: And then now we're here Obama, Iran, Obamagate, and now
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: this you're like, oh, okay, you're just like everybody else,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: wish