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Episode 61: News From Aztlantis! · Tales From Aztlantis

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: You must excuse me, I've grown quite wear-eyed.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: This hasn't been easy, I know, but you've learned a lesson A lesson in honesty Honesty to yourself and honesty to others.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: That lesson will stand you in good stead all your life.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: I think we've all learned a good lesson.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: I've always heard that honesty is the best policy.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Now I'm catching on to why that's so.
• 0:32
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Greetings, dear listeners, and welcome to yet another episode of Tales from Aztlantis.
• 0:39
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: We are your hosts, Curly Tlapoyawa.
• 0:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And Ruben Arellano Tlacatecat.
• 0:46
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: How are you today, Dr Tlacatecat?
• 0:49
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm doing just fine, lovely day out there.
• 0:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We're in the middle of summer here in Dallas.
• 0:56
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah.
• 0:57
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's a balmy.
• 0:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: 99, 100 degrees it's, I mean.
• 1:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: What more can you ask for Clear skies?
• 1:08
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: For it not to be that Muggy weather.
• 1:10
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You go outside and you're just like drenched in sweat, like within a minute.
• 1:14
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: What's not to love?
• 1:15
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's like being at the beach Without the beach.
• 1:20
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's like being at the beach, but without the good Well, here in New Mexico, man, we are getting just beat down with crazy, crazy weather.
• 1:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The village of Ruidoso is on fire.
• 1:39
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: They had to evacuate everybody.
• 1:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: They had to evacuate everybody.
• 1:52
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And I really feel, because out there the it's where the uh, the mescalero nation is located, but right, I gotta say I so I worked in that area a lot of, a lot of, uh, anglo wealthy trumpers like to go down there and just buy up all the property and vacation there, and you know, it's because it's in the eastern part of new mexico.
• 2:19
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Right yeah, southeast southeast, and so when I was there, our company had rented an Airbnb for us, so it was like a really cool little cabin and I had my Wi-Fi hotspot with me because I didn't know what the Internet was going to be like out there.
• 2:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So when we got there we were having trouble hooking up to the Internet, so I busted out my hotspot and the name of my hot spot is uh, fuck, trump.
• 2:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And so I turned it on and the neighbors must have seen, like a new wi-fi come online, yeah, and they, they had to know it was us right, because we had just shown up, we're the only people from out of town.
• 3:02
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And so the next day I get up and I go outside and they had placed trump yard signs, like facing my vehicle, like 10 of these fucking things facing my truck how childish bunch of dorks.
• 3:21
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And then, while we were out there, they had a uh, they were calling it a a freedom rally, which was like an anti-mask, anti-vaccination.
• 3:30
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Uh, right, right, march through through the town.
• 3:35
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So it's, it's, it's pretty wild down there.
• 3:37
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And to see freedom, yeah, to see this extreme weather happening, I'm I'm wondering if it's going to make them realize that climate change is like a real thing.
• 3:49
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's not going to change their mind.
• 3:51
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Because already they're coming up with conspiracies.
• 3:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So like there's two ways they could go right, they could either acknowledge that climate change is real and it's directly affecting them, or, which is what's happening, because I saw some people posting about it on twitter people down there are accusing our governor of starting the fires intentionally because it's so right wing down there drive them out.
• 4:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Hey.
• 4:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: If it's option number two, I mean hey, more power to the government so I'm saying the, all I'm saying when did she find the?
• 4:23
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Time.
• 4:23
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So is this basically like New Texas?
• 4:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Down there Are people starting to call it New Texas.
• 4:29
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's yeah, I mean people.
• 4:30
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Instead of New Mexico, it's.
• 4:32
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: New Texas.
• 4:32
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We call it West Texas.
• 4:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Well, West Texas is a thing.
• 4:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It can't be West Texas, Well it's West.
• 4:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: New West Texas.
• 4:39
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, new West Texas, y West Texas, yonkweak, west Texas.
• 4:44
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's the new new West Texas.
• 4:53
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So yeah, but anyway the weather is, and then up in the north there's like all this flooding and so it's getting pretty dire here.
• 4:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: If you have a note from that part of the state listening to us right now, is there anything that you would like to say to them?
• 5:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Reach out to them personally and tell them something currently Be careful.
• 5:11
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Okay, be careful To the residents of New Texas, new New Texas.
• 5:18
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Oh, I was talking about northern New.
• 5:20
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Mexico no, New New West Texas New New West Texas, Just you know, pack it in New New West Texas, Just you know, pack it in.
• 5:27
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: God obviously hates you and go back.
• 5:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Go back to Texas.
• 5:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Go back to Texas.
• 5:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Go back to where you came from.
• 5:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Go back where you came from.
• 5:38
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Is that the message here?
• 5:40
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Build the wall.
• 5:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know it's interesting.
• 5:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You say that because, um, back about 10 years ago, when I used to, uh, when I was still in school, and I used to go out to taos, to um to teach, because they would, they would give me the chance to, you know, get my feet wet, you know, and into, into what it would be like teaching at a four-year university, if I ever got a job doing that.
• 6:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so SMU, the school that I went to, has a campus out in Taos, new Mexico, and I remember this one instance when I was driving back home after spending a month out in Taos, and I forget, I think it was on 20 already, it is 20, right, that goes up there, or 10?
• 6:24
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I forget Anyway.
• 6:27
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I was headed back to Texas that's the long of it and there was some road work being done, and so the two lane was being narrowed down to one lane, and here in Texas we're used to when it's narrowing down from a 2 to a 1, and it could have just been these people there at the time.
• 6:48
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not trying to generalize New Mexicans here with what I'm about to say, but there does tend to be a certain attitude out there in New Mexico towards Texans.
• 6:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I'm on the left lane, that's the one that's narrowing down and merging into the right lane to a single lane.
• 7:08
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And here in Texas, like the way we do, it is like you go all the way up to where the cones are and then that's where you begin to merge, but everybody else is merging, like I don't know, like a half a mile back.
• 7:19
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so there's this entire lane that's open and I'm like, oh, look at that.
• 7:23
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I'm just like barreling down that lane that's about to merge.
• 7:27
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And as I get up to the point where I'm supposed to merge, this person in this huge truck with New Mexico plates on it sees what I'm doing and they cut in front of me to keep me from merging and I'm like what the hell is going on here?
• 7:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: What's with the aggression?
• 7:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so I've managed to um merge finally, and then, once it opens up because I'm behind then, once it opens up, this person just kind of like, and then I, I like I uh, get back on the on the left lane, and then this person like, sees what I'm doing, because I'm trying to just take off, right, because I'm in a hurry to get back home, and they're trying to speed up to cat.
• 8:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean just like complete aggression, right, speeding up and, like you know, flicking me off and, like you know, like something.
• 8:12
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I could hear him saying something about you texans, blah, blah, blah.
• 8:15
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm like, what the hell did I do?
• 8:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: oh shit that was you, that was me man, I'm sorry, man I was.
• 8:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So there's there's there's a little.
• 8:23
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There's a tendency for from New Mexicans to be a little little aggressive towards Texas.
• 8:27
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But I get it because, historically speaking, I mean, texans did try to go over and take over New Mexico back in the day, you know, because you had some Texans who believe that most of what is now eastern, the eastern part of New mexico, was a part of texas and you can still see it like in the map here that you find that, like the little shops around the touristy places, you'll see this weird map where it shows the rio grande as the line and it cuts right through yeah, yeah new mexico and all that is shown as the state of texas and so I have to remind my students when I'm in class, like, despite what you might think and despite these little maps that you find in the little shops when you're out there traveling, that was not part of Texas ever, and it's not part of Texas today, and it never will be a part of Texas.
• 9:19
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So give it up, folks, damn.
• 9:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: That's my little nugget from new mexico that I still remember.
• 9:25
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I hold it near and dear to my heart because it just means so much to me that the new mexicans appreciate us texans well, I I want to take this opportunity to um kick off a new segment, an as of yet unnamed segment for the show, and I don't know how often it will be done.
• 9:44
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But you know, recently I came across some really cool news stories that I thought would be worth mentioning, and they relate mainly to Chicanos.
• 9:57
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But I could see this, you know, opening up to broader Mesoamerica or history, or what have you.
• 10:03
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But I just saw some stuff that I thought was pretty interesting and worth pointing out, and the first bit comes from your neck of the woods, dr Ariano Tlacatecat.
• 10:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Oh, I hope it's good news.
• 10:16
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I think it is.
• 10:18
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I think it's pretty cool, and that's also the focus of these stories is to be uplifting and positive, because we tend to be very down and the world is not a very happy place right now.
• 10:30
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So I thought some nice news would be apropos.
• 10:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Are we supposed to be uplifting here at Asluntas Tales?
• 10:39
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Well, this segment is.
• 10:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Oh, the segment Okay yeah, gotcha Gotcha Not in general.
• 10:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Okay yeah, gotcha, gotcha Not in general.
• 10:46
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Obviously, but yeah, so this story comes to us from Dallas, texas, uh-oh.
• 10:55
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Deep town representing.
• 10:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, yeah, and there's an organization there called Malcriadas Collective, called Malcriadas Collective, and they've just recently made a deal with Foot Locker to start a new collection featuring Chicano-inspired apparel.
• 11:13
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Interesting, yeah, and the article says Foot Locker stores across North Texas will be featuring a new collection.
• 11:22
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The new line from Malcriadas Collective, called Chrome Angels, will feature t-shirts and shorts.
• 11:29
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Malcriadas Collective is a streetwear brand in Dallas founded by artists Bibi Velez and Rosa Rodriguez.
• 11:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Since 2019, they have combined their Mexican-American childhoods and their love for Chicano culture to create artwork people can wear.
• 11:50
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Interesting.
• 11:50
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think I did see something on that recently.
• 11:53
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, it says.
• 11:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Their first collection, Estilo Tejano, was inspired by their Texas roots.
• 12:00
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The duo believes the future of street wear is women.
• 12:05
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So good on them, you know.
• 12:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I mean, I don't know them, but hey, this is cool.
• 12:13
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think that's wonderful.
• 12:13
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Anything to promote our people, our gente, our culture, our community, I'm all for it.
• 12:20
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I will say, though, that I mean, over the years, I've called myself a Tejano as well as a Chicano, as well as Mexican-American indigenous Mexica.
• 12:32
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Of course we used to subscribe to that label, not that I'm completely against it, but it's not, you know, something that we do anymore.
• 12:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But I I think, over the years, especially as I've gotten to know more people who have a deep-rooted sense of themselves as texanos, meaning kind of like the nuevo mexicano people up in northern new mexico who have, like generations of ancestry rooted to that space.
• 12:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: The texano identity is one that is rooted in, similarly, in some of those early settlements down in South Texas, along the border, along the valley, and so a lot of those people like like that's, their main identity is Tejano, mexican-american, but Tejano they.
• 13:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: They cling on to that Tejano identity, and in the last couple of years people might recall that there's been some very problematic folks from that area in the news that happen to hold some very troublesome views about immigration and just politics in general.
• 13:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So, and a lot of those people, if you press them, they tend to be these people who have a very deep-seated Tejano identity.
• 13:47
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so I think I mean this is just me personally talking, and because right now you mentioned that these artists, these ladies, are promoting their Tejano culture, and I think that word is a little charged now, the word Tejano, like there's a lot there.
• 14:02
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's a lot more complicated than simply saying I'm a Tejano because I's there's a lot there, it's it's a lot more complicated than simply saying I'm a Tejano because I'm a Mexican American from Texas.
• 14:09
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Like to say, to call yourself Tejano like means that you have those deep connections rooted to South Texas, to those early settlements going back to the late 1600s, early 1700s.
• 14:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so I myself have decided that I'm no longer going to really identify as texano anymore, like that's not my really like I'm not part of, I'm not yeah, I'm not part of that that texano community that emerged down there.
• 14:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Um, so that's.
• 14:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know, I'm a chicano, I'm indigenous, and I'm also part of the cobotican, uh, miyak and Garza people over here.
• 14:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So those are my identity.
• 14:45
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So when people ask me now if I'm a Tejano, I'm like well, I'm Mexican-American from Texas, I don't, I mean, but I don't necessarily call myself a Tejano, right?
• 14:54
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So there's some distinction there.
• 14:57
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I don't think these young ladies have thought about that.
• 15:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm just.
• 15:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's something that you, that's just my brain, the way my brain thinks when I hear words, and because that's my, my specialty is, is identity and what it means to historical peoples, and tejano is one of them, and so I just kind of triggered that and ran out and I had to get it off my chest so sorry if I uh derailed your, your, your uh commentary.
• 15:22
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So much for positivity, so much for that, so much for that's what I'm saying.
• 15:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean, I don't know, that's going to be tough.
• 15:30
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Well, I was pleasantly surprised to see the use of the word Chicano in this news story and to see that it's inspired by their love for Chicano culture Right, pleasantly surprised.
• 17:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Because you will find that there's a lot of people here in Texas who identify as Tejano, who do not identify as Chicano don't like the word Chicano.
• 17:44
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah Well, here in New Mexico you got the Hispanos versus the Chicanos right and it's a very real difference.
• 17:51
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So those two identities are not the same, they're not synonymous and they often can be in opposition.
• 18:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, because they represent different things.
• 18:02
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, Same thing here with the Hispano and the Chicanos, and then you know Indo-Hispano, which is such a bizarre word.
• 18:11
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I hate it.
• 18:12
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There's a history to that term that maybe someday we'll get to.
• 18:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I know that you despise it because it's tied to a certain individual whom we've discussed here on this podcast before that.
• 18:25
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Maybe we won't get into it now, but there's a reason why he came up with that term and why I'm not completely against it.
• 18:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I do think it's a reason why he came up with that term and why I'm not completely against it.
• 18:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I do think it's a little goofy in Duisbano, but I do get the reasoning why this individual came up with that term.
• 18:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: My dislike of it is deeply rooted in its inherent goofiness and silliness.
• 18:52
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's just a stupid word, it just sounds dumb.
• 18:55
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Moving on our second story also dealing with Texas, so check it out.
• 19:04
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Two stories Texas related.
• 19:07
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's a twofer.
• 19:08
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I'm going to start off.
• 19:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Man, this has been a Texas episode.
• 19:13
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's all about Texas, new West Texas.
• 19:15
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, texas, new West Texas, yeah right.
• 19:16
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: New.
• 19:17
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: West.
• 19:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Texas, old Texas.
• 19:19
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Future Texas.
• 19:20
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Let me preface this story by saying that I'm definitely not a fan of the police, but I just thought that this was interesting.
• 19:28
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The headline is A&E to premiere a two-night documentary event called the Chicano Squad.
• 19:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: This will begin Monday, september 2nd, and it covers this Well.
• 19:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I'll just read from the press release here.
• 19:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It says A&E has set the premiere of the two-night documentary event, the Chicano Squad, chronicling a groundbreaking team of bilingual patrol officers plucked from their beats and promoted to detectives to form the all-Chicano unit dedicated to tackling Houston's soaring rate of homicide cases in 1979.
• 20:13
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Rate of homicide cases in 1979, dubbed the Chicano Squad by Houston media.
• 20:17
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The story of these men who for the next three decades would earn the trust of the community and the department becoming one of the most highly decorated law enforcement units in the history of Houston, is told through firsthand accounts of the original squad members and those impacted by their work.
• 20:35
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So you know I'm definitely not pro-cop, but this is a bit of our history.
• 20:41
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So for those interested in learning more about the history of Houston in 1979, and you know the moves made to form this unit called the Chicano Squad, like nowadays, I'm surprised it's not called the Latinx Squad or some bullshit.
• 21:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, I did hear about that too.
• 21:06
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I thought that was pretty interesting.
• 21:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think that squad emerged after this very famous cop killing of a Chicano I'm blanking on the full name of this individual, but I think his last name was Torres and it happened in the early 70s, and so it was very highly publicized, this tragic murder of this Chicano, the same as the Santos Rodriguez murder of the 12-year-old boy here in.
• 21:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Dallas, whom we just celebrated the 50th commemoration of his killing last year, and sadly, his mom passed away in December, so she was just real.
• 21:51
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Briefly, you know, because I don't want to get in, I'm thinking of also speaking of new projects.
• 21:57
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I've been thinking this is something that I've been thinking about for a while.
• 21:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not sure if it's going to come to fruition anytime soon because we're both pretty busy, but I've been thinking about doing a series of just Chicano-related historical things, starting with Dallas and broadening the scope to Texas and maybe, you know, eventually to the broader southwest and beyond Midwest.
• 22:19
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know there's a lot of us in the Midwest and even in the east.
• 22:22
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know there's a lot of us up in New York.
• 22:24
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know Mexicanos in New York that's something that doesn't get a lot of attention comprised the largest so-called quote-unquote latin um, uh percentage of, of, uh, of people in that category up, and you would think that it was puerto ricans, but it was puerto puerto rican people for a long time, but I'm hearing that that mexicans have gained ground in that, in that percentage of being you can't stop us you can't, can't stop us, we're everywhere.
• 22:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so Santos Rodriguez's mom, bessie Rodriguez, passed away, but she fought long and hard to finally get the Dallas police to offer an apology, because they never apologized for what this officer did playing Russian roulette with this 12-year-old boy and shooting him in the back of the head God damn.
• 23:11
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I know it was happening in 73.
• 23:13
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It was a tragic story and I mean I'll do an episode on this eventually.
• 23:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But long story short.
• 23:18
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: About 10 years ago I was part of the coalition to get the city of Dallas, with then-Mayor Mike Rollins, to apologize to Bessie for what had happened to her son.
• 23:31
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And he did.
• 23:32
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: He finally made a public apology for what had happened to her son.
• 23:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And he did.
• 23:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: He finally made a public apology and uh, and then 10 years later, down the road, we last year we did a commemoration of his life and uh, um and uh, we did a March downtown and and um, so this, this Chicano squad, um series that's gonna, that's gonna to be produced, is kind of part of that long story Because a lot of the same actors, a lot of the same Chicano activists who came up to Dallas for the Santos Rodriguez Marcha ended up being some of the same people who were down in Houston also.
• 24:09
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There was a lot of collaboration back and forth.
• 24:11
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Lot of collaboration back and forth.
• 24:16
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean going back to the, to the late sixties, with the, the farm worker march in 66, uh, some of the Brown Berets that that ended up doing those marches, um, you know we're marching with people from Houston and from the Valley and from all over the place, so there's a lot of there's a deep Chicano activist history here in Texas that doesn't get a lot of attention and I'm hoping to bring some more light to that.
• 24:38
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So it's a welcome surprise to learn that they're doing this show.
• 24:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I'm hoping that it stays true to the spirit of the Chicano movement and the people.
• 24:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, it doesn't turn into some stupid, you know formulaic cop show, right?
• 24:53
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Exactly formulaic cop show, right, exactly.
• 24:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: and and for my uh final story here we're going to my neck of the woods, pueblo colorado not pueblo bonito so, and this, this actually made me very excited, um, and I learned about this back in april, but I wanted to do this story because they updated it.
• 25:17
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Uh, this month, um, back in april, I saw that a new colorado license plate celebrating the chicano community is under consideration at the state capitol.
• 25:31
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Oh, and it was updated.
• 25:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: June 10th.
• 25:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Creating the chicano special license plate got final approval in the state capitol.
• 25:35
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Uh-oh, and it was updated June 10th.
• 25:36
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Creating the Chicano special license plate got final approval in the state legislature in May and was signed into law by the governor in June.
• 25:46
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's a Pueblo-based organization.
• 25:49
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: El Movimiento Sigue organized the backing of the bill and, to quote denise torres, who leads el movimiento sigue, it was just so cool to see it all working.
• 26:05
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It is a truly collaborative effort.
• 26:07
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It was a long but beautiful process and, bro, this license plate is pretty freaking dope.
• 26:15
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Is it?
• 26:15
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, it's not some cheesy cactus with a sombrero, nah?
• 26:20
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: man.
• 26:20
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's two brown hands giving each other the Chicano handshake in the middle and then on the bottom it says Chicano and then the slash.
• 26:29
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: You know, a-o power.
• 26:31
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Okay, so I might have to go back home and register my vehicle up there.
• 26:39
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: There you go, yeah, yeah.
• 26:43
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It says that the clasped hands represent unity.
• 26:47
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The orange and yellow sunburst because it has like the Rocky Mountains with the sunrise behind it represents the sunrise.
• 26:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Chicano, chicana, power is written along the lower edge of the design.
• 27:01
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Our intent with this phrase is uplifting the internal and collective power we have, as a people.
• 27:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Torres said, it is in no way meant to imply power over others, and it's weird that we always have to qualify our statements by adding that, you know, because people just freak out anytime Chicanos do anything for some reason.
• 27:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, anytime a Chicano does anything, we have to qualify it, we have to explain it, we have to apologize.
• 27:31
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: No one else is asked to do that but us.
• 27:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Everyone else just gets to be who they are and no questions asked.
• 27:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Oh look, they're empowering themselves.
• 27:38
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Oh, how great.
• 27:39
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Let's promote this.
• 27:40
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Once a Chicano does it like hey, wait a minute, that's problematic.
• 27:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Why are?
• 27:43
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: you doing that.
• 27:45
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Like chingada madre.
• 27:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know, God damn it.
• 27:47
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So, knowing all of those things, my francais civil play I thought it was pretty dope to see this uh license plate celebrating chicano power.
• 27:57
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Uh, come out in colorado.
• 27:59
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So good on you, el movimiento sigue exactly and um good on colorado.
• 28:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Who knew that colorado was still down for its brown?
• 28:10
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: yeah, folk well, pueblo has a pretty good um track record.
• 28:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Record in the Chicano movement.
• 28:16
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, is that where?
• 28:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You mentioned before that you grew up in a barrio called Dogpatch?
• 28:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Was that in Pueblo, colorado?
• 28:22
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yes, sir.
• 28:24
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm just a Dogpatch boy.
• 28:25
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Is that where your mom is from right?
• 28:29
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah yeah.
• 28:30
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: This made me I don't know just put a smile on my face reading this story.
• 28:36
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I thought it was very cool.
• 28:37
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So, yeah, that's our new little segment.
• 28:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I don't know where it's going to go, and so do we have a name for this segment.
• 28:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: We don't yet Still brainstorming that I was thinking of calling it Hunab Canoes.
• 28:56
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Good one, sir, I approve.
• 29:00
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Oh, and on a personal note, today, this Friday, as we record this, I appear on the latest episode, the brand new episode of Squaring the Strange.
• 29:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: What, yeah, no way, no way episode.
• 29:20
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The brand new episode of squaring the strange to yeah, to um way.
• 29:22
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So we we recently had this event here in albuquerque called the skeptic camp, and the uh, the team from squaring the strange were there, uh, making some presentations and pasqual celestia, yeah, so shout outs.
• 29:34
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And so they took the time to interview me about what I spoke about, nice and to promote our podcast.
• 29:41
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So Big ups, excellent.
• 29:44
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: If you were so inclined, I encourage our listeners to head over to Squaring the Strange and check out the episode with me in it?
• 29:54
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Didn't you also get interviewed by someone for their pod Skeptical Podcast?
• 29:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I forget the name of it.
• 30:00
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:01
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: For a few, like a minute or two.
• 30:03
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah.
• 30:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I listened to it.
• 30:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It was a little decent blurb that they gave you there.
• 30:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And shout out to that podcast as well.
• 30:10
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, absolutely, the name of the Squaring the Strange episode is.
• 30:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's episode 230, pseudo-archaeology and Misinformation in Chicano Studies with Curly Tlapoyawa, nice.
• 30:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Wait, you're not jumping the gun on what we're going to talk about, right?
• 30:31
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean because I know you discussed it at the camp.
• 30:35
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Well, I don't discuss anything in the podcast that we have not discussed on our episodes.
• 30:41
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Like I didn't bust out any new stuff, Okay, but yeah.
• 30:46
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
• 30:47
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I haven't listened to the whole thing yet because I was there, but you know, thanks to Ben and Pasquale and Celestia, In fact, we gave you a shout out on the show.
• 31:04
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: What.
• 31:05
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: No way, and it was a lot of fun.
• 31:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The skeptic camp was cool.
• 31:11
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It was really, really interesting.
• 31:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: One of my favorite talks I believe his name is Dave Thomas.
• 31:19
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: He's a physicist and mathematician and his talk was on the flat earth right, just like debunking flat earth stuff, which just blows my mind, because I, in real life, I know two people who sincerely believe that the earth is flat.
• 31:39
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And the way Dave Thomas did this presentation was he just said like look, here are all the ways we know, here are experiments you could do on your own showing you know the, the shape of the earth.
• 31:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So if the earth was flat, the following would be true.
• 32:01
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But yet none of these things are true.
• 32:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So but you're thinking scientifically currently.
• 32:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, let's see again.
• 32:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Back back to your ongoing issue.
• 32:10
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Have you seen anyone about this, with your tendency to rely on facts and reason and rationality and statistical inquiry.
• 32:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Because you know it's turtles all the way down right, like you know this.
• 32:26
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I thought it was an elephant, oh, okay, In my universe it's turtles.
• 32:28
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: All the way down right, like you know this, I thought it was an elephant.
• 32:29
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Oh, okay, in my universe it's turtles, okay.
• 33:57
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But you know anyway, check it out.
• 33:59
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The new episode of Squaring the Strange.
• 34:04
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It was a lot of fun, Awesome, and I also got to meet Brian Dunrian dunning he he was at the skeptic camp and he oh, you hadn't met him before.
• 34:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I thought you had already met, no no, we, we'd communicated to each other on on, you know socials, but never in person, so it was nice to sit down and just have a chat with him and he showed his new documentary, uh, about ufos, the ufo conspiracy yeah yeah, and it was, it was great.
• 34:32
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Um, so, yeah, he, uh, he wants to be on the show, so I look forward to having him on.
• 34:38
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah do that that I I can't miss whenever it comes on.
• 34:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, skeptoid for always, I mean.
• 34:45
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, he, he acknowledges when he gets things wrong, like you should, right, but for the most part he has very good analyses and information about a wide range of topics, of things that people believe without evidence, and so if you haven't listened to his show, go ahead and take a listen.
• 35:05
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We recommend it, at least I do, I'm sure you do.
• 35:07
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, I recommend it.
• 35:08
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I listen to it often yeah, every time.
• 35:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: At least I do, I'm sure you do.
• 35:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, I recommend it.
• 35:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I listen to it often.
• 35:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, every time a new episode drops and they're very short so it makes it easy.
• 35:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I throw it on while I'm driving to the store or something and I could finish an episode.
• 35:19
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, about 15 minutes or so.
• 35:21
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: You know what I thought of the possibility of us here at Tales from Aslantes doing a show where we correct all the mistakes we've made.
• 35:31
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But that show would be so short.
• 35:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Right, Every time we're wrong we would have to come on.
• 35:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I mean, it would be like a 30-second show.
• 35:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We have made a few errors and I think we address them from time to time.
• 35:44
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's hard to just go back and listen to everything that we've done, but you know, like major things, whenever we get things wrong we try to address them in a different episode and correct it.
• 35:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But maybe we should do just an episode of Errata so that people can refer to it.
• 36:06
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, that would probably be a good idea.
• 36:07
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It would be very short, like I said, Like 10 seconds, and I was going through the archives and we've put out.
• 36:18
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: If we include like bonus episodes, dispatches and regular episodes, we're at like 100 episodes.
• 36:28
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Man, that's quite a lot a that's a lot of that's a lot of content, a lot of content, yeah.
• 36:35
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So yeah it's.
• 36:36
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's been awesome, man.
• 36:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Um, they, they asked me at the skeptic camp you know what my favorite episode has been so far that we've done and recent of recent episodes.
• 36:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I really liked the uh, the pirates episode.
• 36:55
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I thought that was the pirates, yeah that was.
• 36:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: That was pretty good.
• 36:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, that was.
• 37:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I enjoyed it because it was a story that I was not familiar with.
• 37:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So it's always good to to learn something new and also take a critical eye to what people have been saying about it and discover that the facts are even more interesting than the fiction that's been played up, yeah, and it's always that way, right, I mean, the truth is always way more interesting.
• 37:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But I noticed we had some feedback on your solo episode recently where you interviewed Carlos Aceves.
• 37:36
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Carlos Aceves, yeah, and some people were wondering like, well, how come you guys didn't push back on him?
• 37:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But it was an older interview, one, right, well, sure, so that one's kind of a mixed bag, because we initially did get a couple of favorable reviews.
• 37:52
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: People were saying that they really enjoyed it, they liked the format of just the interview, which is basically what it was.
• 37:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean, it was an interview that I did of Carlos Aceves what?
• 38:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Five years ago?
• 38:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, back in 2019.
• 38:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Five years ago, yeah, back in 2019.
• 38:08
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And back then this was for a different podcast that I was co-hosting when I was out in El Paso, as I mentioned in the introduction that I did for that episode.
• 38:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I did the preface to the episode to kind of paint the picture, so that people could understand and they could get an idea.
• 38:30
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And also, I guess I could, I should have have, but I mean I don't know, maybe not um, like offered a little warning, like hey, you're gonna hear some things on this episode that maybe you might find controversial or, uh, have uh, or that we've already debunked certain feelings about or things that we've discussed on this podcast that contradict some of the things that carlos aceves has to say, which is fine, and and so I say this because this, this, this interview that I did again, it was for a different podcast altogether, where all we did was go out into the community and we would interview people from interesting people from the community who were doing things in the community cultural things, activist things.
• 39:23
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Our show, because it talks about Mexica Yot, even though Carlos Aceves himself admits in the interview, if you've listened to it, that that's not what they were calling it at first.
• 39:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: They were just calling it La Tradicion.
• 39:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It wasn't until Tlacaelel comes in from Mexico and says well, this is what we call Mexica Yot, and that's when it began to sort of take off here in the US because of Tlacaelel, you know.
• 39:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So the reason why I wanted to offer this interview that I did five years ago is to keep it for the historical record that this is an individual, carlos Aceves, as those of you who have listened to the episode will recall that he is one of the first people he is part of that first initial cohort of Chicanos back in the late 70s and the early 80s who are beginning to in a serious way introduce what we now call Chicano indigeneity in public, not in private.
• 40:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I realized that there was a lot of people who were privately, through family traditions and things like that, doing their own things right, and that's fine, but in a very public way as we understand it today, where we have public groups out there that anyone can join, that it's not just a family thing, that it's something that's open to other members of the community who are interested in in learning about their indigenous roots and and their background and things like that.
• 40:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And at least here in texas, I know that california had already been doing things and new mexico you know they had already been doing things around the same time.
• 41:01
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And then texas, although it's all the way out and speaking of west tex way out there in El Paso, it's still part of Texas.
• 41:08
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So we're claiming him At least I am.
• 41:12
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So here in Texas, what Carlos Aceves and his cohort were doing were laying down the foundations for what a lot of people today even if they don't give them credit, even if they dispute it or if they even know about it or acknowledge it a lot of the things that they do under la tradición quote unquote la tradición, or indigeneity, chicano indigeneity, or, if they call it, mexicao, they owe it to people like Carlos Aceves, because they're the ones that brought it.
• 41:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Now, would it have made its way to Texas eventually if Carlos hadn't introduced it?
• 41:48
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Of course, but there's always that one person that you can point to in any tradition and say you know those people, that person, there are the ones that laid the foundation.
• 41:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else, but it was him.
• 42:02
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So that's why, in my opinion, whether or not we agree now, even back then I I questioned some of the things that he was saying, but I didn't push back in the interview because that wasn't the point of the interview.
• 42:15
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: The point yeah was to get him to talk about what he believes and what his his history with the tradition, and it's not my place to question it.
• 42:24
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, you know we have.
• 42:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We.
• 42:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: That's what the podcast here is for.
• 42:28
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We question the ideas separately, independently from the individuals, and so I wasn't targeting him.
• 42:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I didn't want to target him at the time.
• 42:36
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I just wanted him to speak freely so that we could get it on record what he did, document what, what are the things that they were doing, what are the things that they believed and continue to believe as part of this tradition.
• 42:48
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: You know, that's basically it, and so I didn't want this interview to just get, because it used to be posted under the old podcast link that we had, but because we didn't keep it, those episodes were removed, so no one can go back and search for it under the old Los Profesores podcast.
• 43:05
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, they're not archived anywhere.
• 43:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: They're not archived, and so I wanted to archive it under our podcast so that people who are now looking into this stuff because when I was doing this stuff I'll just mention this here when I started researching Chicano indigeneity, there was only a handful of people who were doing this.
• 43:27
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Now it's so popular that I mean, mean you find papers and dissertations being published and released uh, you know, not daily, but at least monthly, or even you know, every year there's.
• 43:39
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There's like a lot more material coming out, and and that's fine, the more the merrier right.
• 43:44
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But when I was doing, when I was conducting my research and interviewing these folks, he's not the only person that I interviewed.
• 43:50
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I interviewed others for my dissertation, which I'm probably not going to release.
• 43:54
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Those are more for my purposes.
• 43:57
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But you know, this is this is something that will benefit people who are currently doing research on Meshikayo.
• 44:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: In fact, I'm not going to mention this person's name, but last year, late last year, someone who was working on a master's thesis reached out to me and they were doing their thesis on the effect that occultism and new age ideas have had on traditional indigenous spirituality, and so they reached out to me to get my opinion because they got wind of our podcast.
• 44:36
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Do they want to be on the podcast?
• 44:39
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Well, I don't know if they want to be on the podcast.
• 44:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think they want to keep their privacy for now.
• 44:45
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But the point, the point is that, because of the the podcast being public, this person was able to use some of that material from the podcast and then, after interviewing me in their, in their thesis and and you know, which, was finally approved and and so I'm not sure if it's going to be released.
• 45:09
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think right now it's it's not in the public domain yet it's.
• 45:12
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's still, uh, under a paywall or not paywall, but under a firewall, whatever they call it, at the university where yeah yeah, they don't release something, I forget what it's called.
• 45:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's been a while and uh and.
• 45:23
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But if they ever do, you know we can ask them if they want to be on the show then, um, but the point that I'm trying to make is that that these kinds of episodes are useful for people that are doing research and that are doing a historical analysis.
• 45:38
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's called being a historian.
• 45:40
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And who would have thought right?
• 45:41
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And so, as a historian, you would have wanted to record this exactly.
• 45:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so just because we we published or not published, but released this, this uh, this interview, uh on tells from aslantes, doesn't necessarily mean that we endorse everything that the people that we interview have to say.
• 45:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And if we don't push back, it's because we're just being polite and we don't want to um cause any friction with the people that we're trying to have conversation with, right, I mean because there's been several folks.
• 46:12
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: If you go back and listen to some of the people that we've listened to, I mean that we've interviewed you might hear me push back a little bit on some of the things that they have to say, but I try to keep it within reason because we're trying to have a conversation, not a debate.
• 46:27
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, this isn't a debate show, and so I don't know if there's anything else I should say about this.
• 46:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But again, if anyone has any questions about that interview specifically or anything else that I've done solo on this podcast, feel free to reach out to me directly and you can email me at placatecatcat at gmailcom.
• 46:51
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: that is my email and also, uh, for all of our listeners out there, any hate mail can be sent directly.
• 46:59
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's.
• 47:01
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's funny that you mentioned that, because I've noticed it uh, the amount of papers and dissertations and theses coming out that have to do with this topic, and whenever they pop up, I'll do a quick search to see if they've cited us anywhere in it, especially if it's a newer paper, and I'm like, oh, they don't cite us.
• 47:25
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: That is paper's bullshit.
• 47:26
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And I'm like, oh, they don't cite us that as paper's bullshit.
• 47:29
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Well, speaking of citing, I don't know if we have talked about this, but there was a recent book that came out early this year, back in February.
• 47:38
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Let me see if I can pull it up so I can get the correct name of it.
• 47:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But they cite one of my articles, the article that I did on Danza, specifically a couple of years ago, and they cite the podcast as well.
• 47:54
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Very cool, let me see if I can bring it up.
• 47:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Okay, so there's a couple of books.
• 48:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Actually, the first one that I want to mention is by Susan Kellogg, who is someone who's an academic and who has been studying Mesoamerican history for a very long time and has several books to her name Weaving the Past A History of Latin America's Indigenous People, mesoamerican and the Andes Native Women Lawn the Transformation of Aztec Culture.
• 48:28
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So she has several books to her name, but the one where she cites the podcast specifically is from this year 2024, and it is called A Concise History of the Aztecs, and in that book she cites Wow, let me see if I can find the citation here.
• 48:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Well, it's not pulling it up on the Google thing, but she cites the tales from Atlantis and she cites, she cites my paper.
• 49:02
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So we are getting cited by some people not as many as we would like, as we would hope, but again that, not that we want to get cited, so that not as many as we would like, as we would hope, but again that not that we want to get cited.
• 49:14
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So that's not the point of what we do here.
• 49:16
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: What we do here is so we can shed some light on some of the things that we have learned over the years that pertain to Mexica and the Mexica and the Chicano people, but also if people want to use our material for their own research purposes, I mean, that's also what we're kind of doing at the same time.
• 49:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yeah, absolutely we're documenting things.
• 49:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We're offering our own opinions on them and you don't have to agree with our opinion.
• 49:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There's a lot of people that don't agree with our opinions Really, and that's fine.
• 49:45
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not mad at you.
• 49:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not mad at you.
• 49:47
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: That our opinions, and that's fine, I'm not mad at you.
• 49:51
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not mad at you, that's fine.
• 49:52
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: You can disagree, but if you're going to, disagree, y'all have every right to be wrong, and if you're going to publish something where you're going to disagree with us, then that's fine.
• 50:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Let's have that conversation, let's have that debate.
• 50:05
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: That's what we do.
• 50:06
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We can talk about these things.
• 50:09
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So yeah, so that's one book.
• 50:13
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: The other book that I wanted to bring up that cites us is if I can get to it, I think I lost my page here.
• 50:22
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Where is it?
• 50:24
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think it's a French book.
• 50:28
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Yes, here this is from 2023.
• 50:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And then it's I'm not, I'm gonna butcher this name it's called admiravel.
• 50:40
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Hold on, let me try this again admiravelabel Novo Mundo Uma Historia de Ocupação Humana.
• 50:51
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think that's more like.
• 50:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Isn't that Portuguese?
• 50:54
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I think that's.
• 50:55
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Portuguese Sounds like Portuguese.
• 50:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, that's.
• 50:56
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Portuguese.
• 50:57
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I was saying French, but it's Portuguese and so they cite the podcast, especially the episode where we interviewed Dr Jennifer Raff on People of the Americasicas so yeah, so, so we're out there we're our name.
• 51:13
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Our name is getting getting out there, our, our show is getting out there, um, and people are acknowledging that there.
• 51:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There is uh, there are a few things useful from our podcast.
• 51:27
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: There's a couple of things there's a couple, one or two couple, one or two things that people find useful from our podcast.
• 51:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So shout out to susan kellogg and a shout out to this individual.
• 51:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Let me see if I can get their name right bernardo estevez.
• 51:41
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Oh, that's not too bad, bernardo estevez very cool.
• 51:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, shout out, thanks for the love in your books.
• 51:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Well, before we end this episode, as you know, dr Tlacatecat, I was in Belize recently.
• 52:00
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: You were For quite a long time.
• 52:03
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I really started missing home.
• 52:05
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I really started missing home If you've never been to Belize.
• 52:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's really beautiful, the people are amazing, but it is unique.
• 52:15
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's unlike any other place that I've been, and it's not really what you think of when you're going into Mesoamerica, because it was part of British Honduras and, as such, everybody there speaks English Right, and not only do they all speak English, but it's like a very they call it Creole and it's like, basically the way you would imagine Rastafarians speaking is how almost everybody there speaks.
• 52:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So you have, like, all these Maya people speaking like in English, yeah, and they all sound like Rastafarians.
• 52:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So that was like a bit of culture shock.
• 52:55
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But I was there as part of a project with UT Austin and you know, shout out to the team for inviting me to go down and our objective was we had some LIDAR information.
• 53:13
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So they flew LIDAR and if the audience doesn't know what LIDAR is, it's you fly a plane over like a jungle and you shoot the LIDAR down and it basically removes all the foliage right, so all you see is the landscape.
• 53:28
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So it's a way of basically peering through the canopy of the jungle and being able to look at what's on the ground.
• 53:36
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And we were exploring the areas around Lubantun and you know, we had all these maps with the LIDAR on them and we would basically go out every day.
• 53:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Each of us had a team of Maya men from the village because we were working with a Maya indigenous community, and we would go out every day and, just, you know, chop through the jungle, chop through the bush, and we call it ground truthing.
• 54:09
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So you have to go out.
• 54:10
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: You could see it on the LIDAR, but it could be an anomaly, right, it could be a natural occurrence.
• 54:15
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So you need to go out there, boots on the ground, get to that location and actually record what is there, if there is in fact anything there.
• 54:25
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And it was quite the experience, man.
• 54:28
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It is incredibly hot there and humidity was like 98% Whoa.
• 54:35
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But the Maya people were super dope, super friendly.
• 54:41
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: In Southern Belize the language groups are called Mopan and Kekchi.
• 54:47
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's, the language groups are called Mopan and Kekchi.
• 54:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So you would hear mainly Mopan and Kekchi, mixed with the Creole English, and then you had, you know, some Spanish speakers.
• 54:59
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The closer you get to like Guatemala or the Yucatan, you start getting more Spanish speakers.
• 55:06
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: In the north part of Belize you have Yucateco speakers.
• 55:10
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So those are the three main Maya language groups.
• 55:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But, you know, relating to this podcast specifically is the fact that we are working around Lubantun, which, if our listeners don't know, is where the notorious Mitchell Hedges crystal skull was allegedly discovered.
• 55:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Did you get one?
• 55:34
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So we yeah, I grabbed a few.
• 55:37
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Nice Just brought them back through customs and you know I'm selling them now.
• 55:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: They're just all over the place, right?
• 55:44
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I mean on the ground, yeah they're all over, and what's funny is, is everybody down there.
• 55:51
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: When we would tell them, yeah, we're working around lubantun, that's the first thing that would come up is like, hey, what do you know about the crystal skull?
• 55:58
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And so we went to lubantun, uh, as part of our, of our, of our job, and I got to go to the exact location where they allegedly found the crystal skull.
• 56:10
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So I took a photo there and, uh, it was very cool.
• 56:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Um, belize is a very unique place.
• 56:18
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The one thing that I was not prepared for is the fact that all the Maya communities there do Sweden agriculture, so it's all slash and burn and so, man, the skies are just filled with this dense, dense smoke, and the sun is always like this really weird color of, like an orangish red hanging in the sky, and it took a while to get used to breathing in that smoke man.
• 56:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I got to admit it was a while to get used to breathing in that smoke man.
• 56:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I I got to admit it.
• 56:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Um, it was.
• 56:51
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It was a bit of culture shock, not bad.
• 56:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The other thing that is really interesting was when you're driving in belize and you're going to make a left turn, you turn on your blinker to turn left and then you pull off to the side of the road because the people behind you have the right of way so you have to wait yeah, everybody behind you have to let everybody behind you pass and then you can make a left turn and it took a bit because if you're not used to that, you will get straight T-boned like gnarly, because everybody behind you is expecting you to wait right and so they're just flying past you and you have to sit there with your blinker on.
• 57:41
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So that was a bit of a learning curve.
• 57:44
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Luckily, where we were in southern Belize there were not a lot of vehicles on the roads, so it made it easier to deal with, but that took a bit to get used to.
• 57:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The one thing that I was really surprised by in the Maya community guess what their favorite movie is.
• 58:04
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Apocalypto, apocalypto, damn, damn.
• 58:08
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: No Apocalypto, apocalypto, damn, damn, and I brought it up, I was like they didn't get anything.
• 58:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And one of the guys on our crew was like this cinephile, right, like this dude was like a hardcore movie buff and I was talking to him about it and I'm like why Apocalypto, like it, got so much wrong.
• 58:26
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And he's like he just told me, bro curl that's what they all called me, curl it's just a movie.
• 58:33
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Man, like it's not a documentary, we know what it gets wrong, but look, it's a movie entirely in Maya starring native people.
• 58:43
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: All the characters are Maya, it's about Maya and we're kicking ass in it.
• 58:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So like why wouldn't we like this movie?
• 58:52
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Well, kicking ass, that's relative.
• 58:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's an action movie, it's a Maya action movie.
• 58:58
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: What's not to like?
• 58:59
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I was like all right, you know, I'm not, I'm not, you know, far be it for me to be like.
• 59:03
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Well, no, you should not like this movie, because why?
• 59:06
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: didn't you push back, curly?
• 59:07
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: you should have pushed back on the maya people but it was just interesting, uh to, to see that they were like huge fans, because part of our team, you know, after I came back from Belize, a group of people stayed and they were moving on to another project and the second project was like way deeper into the jungle, and so one of my crewmates had downloaded some movies and they specifically asked him like you know, can you, can you bring apocalypto so we could watch it out in the jungle?
• 59:42
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And I thought that was pretty cool they're.
• 59:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: They're also, uh, uh, namor fans.
• 59:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The guys down there that I was talking to, that's good, leaky talocan, they were.
• 59:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: They were.
• 59:55
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: They thought that that was very cool as well.
• 59:57
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But but yeah, Apocalypto.
• 59:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Who knew Nice?
• 1:00:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Who knew Pretty good, Pretty good man.
• 1:00:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So before we close out the episode, hey, thank you for sharing that, because I think a lot of people, myself included, were wanting to hear a little bit more about your experience down there in Belize.
• 1:00:16
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean, you were gone for what a month, almost Was it a month.
• 1:00:18
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: A little bit more about your experience down there in belize I mean you were gone for what a month?
• 1:00:21
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: almost was it a month, uh, like 32 days, yeah, so that's quite.
• 1:00:22
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I've never had that kind of experience.
• 1:00:24
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean the closest I guess you can say.
• 1:00:26
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But you know, it's not the same as spending a whole month up in taos, new mexico, like immersing yourself in that community is something else, right.
• 1:00:35
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean it's different from santa fe, it's different from Albuquerque.
• 1:00:39
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean Taos is magic, I'll just leave it at that.
• 1:00:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So that's the closest I've ever come to, spending so much time in one place.
• 1:00:48
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: That is different, that has a lot of history and culture and, you know, not the same as your experience, but it's similar, right.
• 1:00:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I get it, I get it.
• 1:01:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Before we close out this episode, this grab bag of thoughts, I wanted to get your thoughts on whether or not we should maybe mention a few episodes that we have in the pipe, coming down the pipe sure, sure I wanted to start with this one and, uh, I don't know how deep we're going to get into it.
• 1:01:29
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I don't know if we're going to find enough enough information on this.
• 1:01:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So some of these things that we're going to discuss here are works and projects, just giving our listeners a heads up to what's coming on the second part of season four.
• 1:01:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: One of them is I came across this podcast.
• 1:01:47
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: The gentleman his name is Francisco Mendoza, and I'll just go ahead and give him a shout out, it's not a big deal they have a podcast called la verdadera historia de mexico or something to that effect.
• 1:02:01
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's out of mexico city and they've been doing it for many, many years now.
• 1:02:07
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not even sure if they count it as seasons or they're just like counting the episodes, but they've been doing it for quite a while, and an episode that they did, I think, last year around this time about June of last year, francisco Mendoza, who's kind of like the main host of the episode of the podcast, I should say, mentioned something that was picked up by a little outfit called Mexico Desconocido, and that's where I found this.
• 1:02:39
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So this is on Mexico Desconocido's web page and it says this is the title in Spanish, and I'll translate after I read it Mexico era el grito de guerra de los mexicas para darse valor.
• 1:02:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So the title is referencing the name Mexico, which the country of Mexico is named after.
• 1:03:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Mexico.
• 1:03:01
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Right, but they would have pronounced it Mexico is, or was the battle cry of the Mexica people, that they used to give themselves valor or to hype themselves up, basically right before they were going into battle.
• 1:03:17
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And this caught my attention because this is not something that I had ever heard of.
• 1:03:22
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Have you ever heard of this Curly this?
• 1:03:25
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: idea that the Mexica warriors, and I'm not sure if it was the Eagle warriors or the Jaguar warriors or just all of them in general, as they're out in the battlefield.
• 1:03:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And here I'm kind of picturing like the Lord of the Rings and some of those scenes where they're out right and they're like hyping themselves up.
• 1:03:50
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Massive armies lined up getting ready to rush across the battlefield, and they're yelling.
• 1:03:57
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Mexico.
• 1:03:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: It's kind of like today's soccer games right mexico yeah yeah, mexico, right, but back then it would have been mexico, mexico.
• 1:04:05
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so they're hyping themselves up before they go into battle and that apparently, if I'm not mistaken, that this is not only a way for them to hype themselves up, but it was also kind of a way to intimidate their enemies, because, you know, here come the Mexicans and back then, before the arrival of the Spanish, you know, the Aztec Mexica were the leading force of Mesoamerica, and so it was a way to instill fear in the hearts of their enemies and also as a way to hype themselves up right before they went into battle.
• 1:04:39
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so this is an episode that we're going to do, or this is a topic I should say that we're going to dig into and see what else we can find.
• 1:04:46
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Because unfortunately I mean mr mendoza he's really good at as a narrator, as a as a host, as an interpreter of history he's not an actual historian by trade, uh, that's not his primary career.
• 1:05:00
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: He's more of a lay person, an enthusiast who's been studying Mexican history all his life, which is fine, I mean, to each his own.
• 1:05:08
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But because he's not a trained historian, he doesn't cite his sources very well, and that is the case with this notion, with this idea that he put out there in the ether, and so it's kind of hard to follow exactly where he got this from.
• 1:05:28
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: But no need to worry, dear listeners, we're going to look into this and we will get to the bottom of it, and if we find any sources that can verify and validate his claims, then we will share it with you.
• 1:05:44
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We'll tell you exactly where to find that stuff for yourself, as we do.
• 1:05:48
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's always so frustrating when people say something interesting or make a claim about history but they don't bother to tell you where they got it from.
• 1:05:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, it's like well, can, can you do that please?
• 1:06:01
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Can you let us know?
• 1:06:02
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Because that's something that happens amongst you know, mexicao, mcrca-affiliated authors.
• 1:06:10
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: They'll always say stuff or they'll even like, write out you know alleged direct quotes and be like, oh yeah, sahagun said this in the Florentine Codex and they write out this long, elaborate quote.
• 1:06:27
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But you know, now the Florentine Codex is available online, digitally, and you can search it.
• 1:06:32
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So whenever I see these people quoting the Florentine Codex, I always hop onto the digital copy and I type in this quote and see if it actually exists in the pages.
• 1:06:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And when it comes to the MCRCA people, more often than not the quotes do not exist.
• 1:06:51
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So always check your work, kids.
• 1:06:54
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's super helpful, right?
• 1:06:56
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But I've got four episodes, four topics that I'm currently working on the Codex Esquelada, which is a document which purports to show proof of La Virgen de Guadalupe.
• 1:07:12
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: An episode on Cuauhtemoc's bones.
• 1:07:16
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: La Virgen de la Macana, which is a piece of New Mexican history, and I'm finally cracking open that walnut of the Mexica banner, the panquetzali, the panquetzali, that's going to be a really good one there.
• 1:07:34
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Those are the four topics that I'm currently working on.
• 1:07:37
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So I'm working on El Grito de Guerra, the Battle Cry of the Mexica.
• 1:07:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm also working on the Nepo-Hualcincin I believe I'm saying that right Nepo-Hualcincin, the Mexica calculator.
• 1:07:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: The Mexica or Mesoamerican, the alleged calculator that has been making the rounds recently.
• 1:07:59
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I've been seeing a lot of stuff on social media where there's people who go around giving demonstrations and talks and lectures, and I believe it's also becoming part of, like ethnic studies, which we should also discuss here in a minute, ethnic studies, which we should also discuss here in a minute Ethnic studies curriculum, and it's presented as valid as proof of this device that supposedly existed.
• 1:08:29
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And we're looking into that because we want to know is this really true?
• 1:08:34
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm not here to say that it's not true, because I haven't found evidence to suggest that it's one way or the other yet.
• 1:08:43
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I'm doing my research, and so once I complete the research on this, we'll do an episode and, dear listeners, you will be the first to know more in depth about the background and the origins of this device called the Nippelwald Zinzin.
• 1:08:58
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So that's an episode that's in the works.
• 1:09:02
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: The other episode that I've been working on for a while as well is and I think it's something that we're kind of both working on You're doing your own research on your end and on my end, we're looking at the.
• 1:09:19
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We feel like it's an erroneous or dubious, let's say there's a dubious connection between the term tonantzin and the teteo called cuatlicue and in the tradición in Mexica a lot of people usually call tonantzin clalicuatlicue.
• 1:09:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so we want to know whether, and usually by extension, this is associated with the Virgen de Guadalupe right, because the Virgen has for the longest time been.
• 1:09:44
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: We've done episodes on this before, but it's still not very clear as to where the connection comes from between Tonantzin, the so-called Tonantzin Coatlicue, and Guadalupe, the so-called Tonantzin Coatlicue and Guadalupe, and whether or not our ancestors, our ancient ancestors, called Coatlicue Tonantzin versus the other Teteo that were called Tonantzin, which there are many that are not Coatlicue and they're not usually associated with the Vidhkan.
• 1:10:14
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: So that's another aspect of it as well.
• 1:10:16
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And so, dear listeners, we're looking into that as well and hopefully we'll have something ready to go by the end of season four.
• 1:10:28
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: And I'm trying to think is there another topic, main topic?
• 1:10:33
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I mean, those are the three main ones that I'm working on, and you have the four that you just mentioned, the three main ones that I'm working on and you have the four right that you just mentioned, so that that should be enough to get us through a good part of of the rest of season four.
• 1:10:45
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So, yeah, and we want to take this moment to to, because Dr Tlacatecat is going on a well-deserved vacation and so we are taking a short hiatus in this season.
• 1:11:01
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: But, as we've said, we've got tons of stuff in in the pipeline that we have in the works and we're excited to uh to bring all this new information to our listeners.
• 1:11:14
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: And, yeah, it'll, uh, we'll be gone for a few weeks at least and you know, in the meantime I'll probably I might pop on and do some dispatches and just to to keep some stuff out there if any news comes up or any any topics that I find interesting.
• 1:11:32
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: but, um, yeah, and I I hope you enjoy your vacation well, thank you very much, and uh, also, don't forget listeners you also have.
• 1:11:42
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Those of you that are Patreon supporters have access to Curly's exclusive show on movies that he enjoyed growing up cult movies Burning Paradise.
• 1:11:53
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: I don't know, if you want to say a few things about that.
• 1:11:55
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Yeah, so I've got a little mini series going on within the Tales from Aslantes family dealing with my personal love of cinema.
• 1:12:06
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So in each episode I just take a look back at some of the movies that I grew up with that I enjoy.
• 1:12:13
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The latest episode is on the Wanderers, which is a very cool movie Not as good as the Warriors in my opinion, but it's always overshadowed by the Warriors, I think.
• 1:12:24
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So I thought it was worth taking a look at and it's a cool movie.
• 1:12:30
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: I mean it's got a great soundtrack, it's got really cool fight scenes and I don't know, and it's got Karen Allen in it.
• 1:12:37
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So you know, for all the people my age who did not have a crush on her, you know I think there's very few people my age that did not have a crush on Karen Allen growing up.
• 1:12:49
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: So yeah, If you want to check that out, I've also got another special mini series in the works.
• 1:12:57
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: It's percolating, so I'll have more information on that later.
• 1:13:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Awesome.
• 1:13:03
  Ruben Arellano Tlakatekatl: Anything else before we sign off for a bit.
• 1:13:08
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Nope, I just want to thank everybody for listening and I encourage everyone to keep in pursuit of the truth, because you know what I like to say about the truth.
• 1:13:18
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: What's that?
• 1:13:19
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: What I like to say about the truth.
• 1:13:21
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: What's that, carl?
• 1:13:22
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: The truth looks like medicine it doesn't always taste good, but it is always good for you.
• 1:13:28
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: Right on, de muy tase.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: Proposed bill in Colorado would allow Colorado drivers to celebrate their Chicano Chicana heritage.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: If passed, this would create a special license plate featuring art from a group of Colorado artists.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: Jasmine Aranis is your reporter in Denver and, as she found out, it hasn't been an easy bill to pass.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: Organizers gathered more than 3,000 signatures in a matter of days.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: Now this controversial bill that has been talked about for nearly a decade is being debated again at the Capitol.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: Bill that has been talked about for nearly a decade is being debated again at the Capitol.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: These plates plastered on vehicles serve as a form of vehicle identity.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: For some it may just be a license plate.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: For others it carries meaning Anybody who identifies in both building power in our history and in our future.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: that is a Chicano, and I'm really excited to be carrying this bill.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: Representative Tim Hernandez and Senator Julie Gonzalez are hoping to introduce the bill by the end of the month.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: The Chicano license plate is going to be a new special license plate that we're going to be manufacturing in the state of Colorado to represent Chicano history, to invest and create pathways for Chicano youth leadership programs across the state of Colorado.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: We're hopeful that the third time around that we're able to actually see this be signed into law.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: In the last eight years, a similar bill was introduced twice, once in 2016 and in 2018, by former Colorado Representative Joseph Salazar, and both times it failed.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: It didn't pass because the rhetoric from the Republican Party then and now was pretty fierce against our communities.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Opponents of the bill share.
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  Speaker 6: Having a plate like this could be a form of racism towards other communities.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: However, salazar argues license plates like the Italian American Heritage were passed, and with no pushback.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 7: There was no explanation as to why they killed the bill while they were passing other license plate bills.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: The proposed bill would essentially help nonprofits like El Movimiento Sigue the movement continues A Pueblo nonprofit that works to promote leadership and cultural pride amongst youth, no matter your culture.
• 1:15:40
  Kurly Tlapoyawa: You should always be proud of your ancestors and where you came from and your heritage, and so that's why you know.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: For us, that's what it symbolizes More than just a license plate, but a symbol of hope and power.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: The first hearing is slated for February 29th, but organizers are still encouraging more signatures At the Capitol, jasmine Arenas, covering Colorado First.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: And if this is approved, drivers can get the plates after paying two $25 fees.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: You.