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“Haunted” locations that SHOULDN’T be investigated · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Ange, you just... Okay, so everyone listening,
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Angela just messaged us saying, I have an idea
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for an episode. Let's talk about it. And do you
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mean right now? Totally. Let's do it. Yeah, I
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guess. I don't know what time it is, but let's
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do it. Hell yeah. Coming up... Why are people
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so determined to investigate sacred places? I
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have no idea. Ange, why did you drop this one
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on us spontaneously? Let's not talk about this.
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Let's never talk about it. So Ange, it's finally
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happening. You said you had an idea for a topic,
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so now it's our turn to ask you. What's the topic?
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So, what I was thinking, I don't know what you
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were talking about, Brianna, but it sparked the
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idea of... How long do you have to wait to investigate
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a place that has tragic history or a specific
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person until it becomes disrespectful? So we're
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talking about the hashtag too soon. Too soon.
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Interesting. Welcome to our podcast where we
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take deep dives looking at various topics through
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a paranormal lens. Okay. Specifically what I'm
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thinking is This may sound kind of dark, but
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do you know how we are? What are you laughing
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about, Ben? Should I rattle off all the dark
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stuff that only you have said on this podcast?
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Okay, continue. Okay, so this is what I'm talking
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about. So, you know, in a few months from now.
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We are going to Gettysburg. The Paranormal Research
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Symposium is happening, and we're presenting
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remote contact. It's so exciting. Yeah. I know,
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but other than just that, Gettysburg is known
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to have a lot of paranormal activity, specifically
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due to the war that happened there in that big
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battle that killed over 7 ,000 people in a three
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-day span. And by that big war, you mean the
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Civil War. The Civil War. The Civil War. You
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know, that thing. The one and only. You know,
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the American Civil War. That war. Okay, glad
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we're on the same page. But, yeah. I hope everyone
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else is listening to this as well. But I'm just
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thinking about that. Those short three days.
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So many people died. And I'm thinking back to,
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like, maybe, like, for example, 9 -11, where,
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like, 2 ,000 people died. And, you know, you
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would never catch anyone going to the 9 -11 memorial
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sites and doing a ghost hunt. Yeah. So, when,
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in, like, a few hundred years from now, or whenever,
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are people going to start doing, like, ghost
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hunts? at these modern tragedies yeah tragedies
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because you know if you if ghost hunting was
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like a thing back during the civil war i guarantee
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people weren't ever planning on going to the
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battlefield to investigate you know but all of
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a sudden now it's okay to do that yeah where
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thousands of people die question that's that's
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a really really good question um Because I feel
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like it has a lot to do with, like, well, the
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time. Time, for sure, yeah. What it was, how
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big of an impact was it on history? And, like,
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because, like you mentioned, 9 -11. Like, that
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was a major historical event. That was heard
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and felt around the world. And kind of changed
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our country. I mean Civil War did too. I feel
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like. I don't want to say. It is different. Than
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a war. But also like. I don't know. It's so hard
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to say. It is so hard to think. One of the places.
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That we have investigated. That is like similar
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to this. Is like. The Bath. I was thinking of
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that one as well, yeah. Bath, it's kind of your
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small town America. Most people here are generations.
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It's cool, you know, everybody kind of looks
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out for each other. You know, people want their
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community to be safe. They want their community
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to be a place to live. At first glance, Bath,
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Michigan looks like a place where nothing bad
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could happen. Friday marks 85 years since the
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horrific bombing of a school in Bath Township.
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Even after all the attacks at schools nationwide,
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including Columbine Sandy Hook, the most deadly
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act of school violence in US history happened
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right here in mid Michigan. Yeah, bath. So the
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the still to this day, the deadliest school attack.
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ever the most amount of kids that died in any
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school related tragedy worse than columbine worse
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than sandy hook uh was in bath michigan in 1927
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next year's 100 year anniversary of this tragedy
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um it was a bombing and um it was at the old
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school there uh where the current middle school
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uh is across the street and they have a museum
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and i hear they just got a big grant uh funding
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which is really exciting so to expand they have
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a little museum in the current middle school
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uh lobby area which is across from where the
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old school was um there's like a little memorial
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and a cupola and everything this plaque was put
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here in memory of those who perished in the bath
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school disaster on may 18 1927. My name is Susan
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Hagerman. My parents were on the original committee
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of the Bath School Museum. Everybody on the committee
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is directly related to someone that was in the
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explosion. Side note, I did my capstone project
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at MSU in the documentary film production program.
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I have a degree in documentary film production,
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and my capstone project was a little documentary
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on the Bath Museum. that one i was mentioning
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was in the middle school and it was actually
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during covid and it was the first year in like
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90 something years they couldn't have their memorial
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service because of covid so i did this little
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10 minute short film kind of honoring the you
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know volunteers um and their dedication to preserving
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the history um and of course honoring all the
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victims um in lieu of this memorial service they
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couldn't have. Our alumni reunion, we had to
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cancel it. We were very sad about that. It's
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the first time since, well, we started having
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these in the 1980s. It was the first time we've
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ever had to cancel one. I think I'm the most
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disappointed one that they're not having it this
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year because I love going, but if I know the
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people there like I know them, they will definitely
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feel it the day anyway. It's in their DNA. There's
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something about community and gathering and that
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they can't do it. I suspect hurts. It's a deep
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emotional scar. I mean, people lost family they
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would never meet. A whole generation of children
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are wiped out. I interviewed a lot of people.
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I interviewed the current police chief of Bath.
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And he, out of the blue, not knowing anything
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about me, said, oh yeah. And this didn't even
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make it in the short film. because this was a
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history short film for school, he said, oh yeah,
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still to this day, I see ghost hunters out there.
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And I'm like, oh? And he was like, people are
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always ghost hunting, and sometimes I hop out
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of my car, because that's so cool, and I join
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them, and blah, blah, blah. So, to your point,
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is it too soon? I don't know, I have mixed feelings,
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because... That's probably like, people started
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ghost hunting, what, maybe like... 80 80 years
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from then you know yeah because like i i mixed
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feelings because i i did the whole documentary
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and stuff and i was intimately like i was there
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all the time yes there is a strong you can feel
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strong sad like heavy sadness there mostly i
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think due to the history i wouldn't advise or
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recommend ghost hunting there just because i
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think i don't know maybe a good like uh frame
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of reference for like time frame is like if there
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are no direct relatives that are related to the
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event or people who passed in the event still
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alive i know when you approach a case like bath
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from a history perspective and you get so intimately
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connected with the real people still there every
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day yeah you get a little attached to it you
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know um i would hate for someone to come because
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we know a lot of weirdos in the paranormal field
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i would hate for someone to come and exploit
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the haunting or misrepresent the real history
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or do it incorrectly is it like i don't know
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is that like egotistical to be like i wouldn't
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recommend people go there because they're gonna
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fuck it up yeah no i i don't i don't disagree
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with that But if you do it respectfully, if we
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went and investigated there, Aiden, this is where
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the ego, I think, comes in. But what makes us
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different compared to other people investigating?
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Because our approach. Because, like, you can't
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control. What makes us different compared to
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other ghost hunters? Anyone can go to a cemetery
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or an outdoor monument and ghost hunt and then
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post it on the internet these days. It's different
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if you go indoors and you're allowed in, right?
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inside and you know usually there's some element
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of vetting or you need to get written permission
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or you need to like clearly outline how you're
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going to portray the history i would hate for
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someone who's just looking for clicks to sensationalize
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especially this year with a hundred year anniversary
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of bath coming up to sensationalize or say anything
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about the victims that because what differentiates
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us is you know we're going to go in we have intimate
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knowledge of the history we know the people we
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know the area We're not going to go in and make
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claims saying, I just contacted so -and -so and
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so -and -so, and he's saying X, Y, and Z about
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the day of the disaster. We're not going to go
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out and make all these bold claims and tell all
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the people in the community, this is happening
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there, and this is what you got to do about it.
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Yeah. You don't know what kind of, and you know
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exactly what I'm talking about. There could be
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people that go out, investigate, and they come
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out with weird. stuff that would just ruin it
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for everyone because they're saying all this
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stuff that there's still people in the community
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second third generation survivors they would
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say you said what about my grandma yeah exactly
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we would never say anything like that but i still
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feel like it's almost still too soon because
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100 years it's only been 100 years in the big
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scheme of things that is nothing in this time
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of the universe in our yeah since earth has been
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here that is nothing like it almost it seems
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it's in the 20s too soon yeah do you know how
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many years from now so that's a hundred years
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from ago like that's still like barely nothing
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so you're saying there's still people no ghosts
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we shouldn't we shouldn't investigate anywhere
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that is allegedly haunted by a spirit from the
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20s or the 30s i'm not saying that i'm just saying
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like that's that speaking tragedy events yeah
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like major okay yeah yeah because i'm gonna i
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was saying like that was such a tragic event
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yeah like and i i don't know like obviously no
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one knows what happens in the afterlife or whatever
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but i'd be like since that that was barely no
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time ago or whatever let let the spirits heal
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and do whatever they need to do yeah since that
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happened and i feel like even though it's 100
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years from then since it was such a tragic event
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and stuff like that it doesn't seem like enough
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time still for them to for the spirits to really
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like heal or whatever that yeah yeah we did we
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did go as a group full full disclosure we did
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go as a group to pay our respects to a couple
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of the victims and then when we're at the cemetery
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paying our respects we had paranormal stuff happen
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so we investigated but we didn't have any experiences
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directly related to the you know certain graves
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and we certainly never said it was because of
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them yeah i'm just thinking i'm pretty sure i
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have only been to the bath memorial like once
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and i i just in for me too like it because even
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though yeah it was a hundred years ago I feel
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like it's also still a little too soon. I agree,
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but you have to have a differentiation between
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what's a tragic event and on a micro level, let's
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say we go to murder -suicide locations all the
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time. A murder -suicide for a community on a
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small micro level, that's tragic. How do you
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define tragedy? I think that's a kind of deep
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question. that's i i'm just thinking about like
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imagine 100 years from now there's ghost hunters
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going to the property where sandy hook happened
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like that's just mind -blowing to me But if ghost
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hunting is still a thing from 100 years from
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now, that probably will be happening. And it's
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just mind -blowing to me. So I feel the same
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way for, like, the Bass Massacre situation. I
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agree. It doesn't seem right. Like, imagine if
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you're, like, a person that was alive during
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that time and thinking, like, oh, 100 years from
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now, there's going to be people going to ghost
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hunt. Like, it's just, like, be in their shoes.
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It doesn't seem right. And even if, like, I know
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I said, like, if we were to, I don't even have
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any, why would we ever investigate there? Yeah.
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I would be so uptight about an investigation
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there. But there's people who do, though. I just
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don't know, you don't need to. Anywhere can,
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do we agree that anywhere, we talked about this,
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anywhere can be haunted, right? Yeah. So if anywhere
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is haunted, Why are you going to such a, like,
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baseline? Like, if you're already going to be
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so uptight about an investigation and worried
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about the sensitivities behind it and all this
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stuff, why even bother? Why do you need to? What's
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the point? I feel like it's just, it does really
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depend on the situation as well. It's just, it's
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like when you... I'm specifically thinking of
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haunted asylums and stuff. There's a lot of people
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that had terrible things that happened to them
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there and stuff like that. I know some people
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may disagree with me about this, but I'm thinking
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of certain asylums or whatever. You're going
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there investigating these tragic events that
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may have only happened like 100 years from now,
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but that history is so important to prevent.
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that stuff from happening again in the future
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like it almost seems fine and like okay to investigate
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that just to keep that history alive i'd argue
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too that's a mass scale systemic tragedy like
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that's an american tragedy not like a but compared
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to like the bath massacre or something like that
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that was just yeah that's different that is just
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one singular event were children were harmed
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for no good freaking reason it's just like let
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them rest it's it was a one singular event it's
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like i don't know maybe like a few hundred years
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from now it would be it would be different or
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whatever people choose to go there and investigate
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or whatever but it's just kind of i don't know
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if you if you understand my differences whatever
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it makes sense it makes total sense to me i don't
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know it's like you can prevent like terrible
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events happening in future hospitals or whatever
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and treatment or whatever but you know there's
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always going to be a wacko that comes in and
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kills a bunch of people you can't control every
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single one but you can you can control a specific
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treatment or whatever if that makes sense i don't
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know i i don't i feel like there's going to be
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some people who disagree with me about that that's
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my opinion and we all should have opinions brie
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what what are you thinking about you've been
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a little quiet i have no idea yeah why did you
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drop this one on us spontaneously yeah this is
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this is a hard one to drop on us i mean at least
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everyone knows like this is our real organic
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natural opinions honest yeah yeah and we all
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i think we all agree that there is such a thing
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as places okay i disagree that there's such a
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thing as too soon or too you know or whatever
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i just think there are some places that shouldn't
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be investigated how about that yeah i think yes
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i don't think it's worth quibbling about In 100
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years, it'll be okay. In 200, it's just like,
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what's the point? I was just about to say, I
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feel like there are places where you're okay
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to investigate, there's places where you need
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to tread carefully to investigate, and there's
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just places you shouldn't investigate at all.
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And there are some tragedies that have occurred,
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and you should never try to... invest like do
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a paranormal investigation in those areas like
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just let them rest yes same same goes for like
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um places you have to trespass no no to trespassing
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um native american locations too it's like that's
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not for us to do yeah so that's that was also
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a good example yeah that's and we all agree on
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on that So there's just, like, a lot of places,
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like, they don't need to be investigated anyways.
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If, like, why are people so determined to investigate
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these, like, sacred or tragic places? Like, is
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it the shock and awe, the sensationalistic aspect
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of it? That's, again, going back to, like, why
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I was uptight. I think it's part of it, yeah.
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Like, if you really want to investigate the bath
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site to go back to there, because that's the
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place we have personal connection with, if you...
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are so desperate to investigate bath and you
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travel far and away to invest it's like what
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your intentions are probably to sensationalize
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and i don't agree with sensationalizing that
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type of stuff anyway so i guess that's like there's
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no point there's a difference between well my
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mindset is is keeping history alive and this
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goes along with the whole like many asylum aspects
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of it you know there's so many places that are
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getting demolished and people are just wanting
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to forget the history because you know it's a
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bad history especially during like for america
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and stuff so there's a lot of people out there
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who's like let's not talk about this let's never
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talk about it let's just get rid of it but like
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i disagree with that because it's like And it's,
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like, a good thing that these, like, ghost hunters
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are coming in and investigating because there
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are some of the only few people in this world
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that care about these locations and keeping that
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history alive to keep people learning and learn
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from the mistakes from the past. And not a lot
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of people understand that, you know? That's the
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difference between something like that and, like,
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that one singular event in the past that... That's
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the only event that will ever happen there, you
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know? Absolutely. And you don't need... I completely
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agree with what you're talking about. Keeping
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history alive is one of our main goals and should
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be every ghost hunter's main goal. But, you know,
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there's a museum preserving history. This is
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a well -known location of a tragedy. Same with
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9 -11. Do you need a ghost hunter going to the
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Twin Towers to keep 9 -11 history alive? It's
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like... no they're maybe maybe in the future
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yes maybe in the future because there's a lot
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of young people there's people who are born after
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9 -11 that plainly just do not understand the
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extent of 9 -11 and how that impacted everyone
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you know and as time goes on there could be people
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That history could just plainly die as time goes
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on. So maybe someday in the future, having ghost
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hunters coming in can help keep that history
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alive. You never know. I feel like in that circumstance,
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I feel like that's not going to be a possibility.
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it's so in interwoven in the history like it's
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in history books and like yeah it i agree it's
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unfathomable but also we are seeing at unprecedented
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rates lately um you know museums are getting
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funding taken away it's harder to get grant so
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there's there's people taking like white whitewashing
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history and stuff like that it's it's a thing
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i hate to say if you agree with it or not it
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is no it's true it's true yeah yes and people
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don't believe in history people don't believe
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in history like they don't yeah believe in science
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a few years is crazy so in a hypothetical don't
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think it's gonna happen but in a we have to say
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kind of Maybe hypothetical. I don't think the
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9 -11, but maybe some of the other tragedies
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at not such a national scale. You're saying it's
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not appropriate, but if the history is forgotten,
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ghost hunters should be called upon because it
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should be their duty to preserve. You make that
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sound weird. It's not the ghost hunter's duty
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to do it. It is. One of the main duties of a
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ghost hunter is to preserve. forgotten history
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and to and to share a grounded non -sensationalistic
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accurate account accurate representation of real
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history that people either don't want to talk
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about have shied away from isn't written in the
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history books or is plainly you know just forgotten
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in general or people don't not enough people
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know about so yeah Ghost hunters should be historians
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and they should be called upon to go into and
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be on the ground investigators of this forgotten
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lore and forgotten history in a grounded manner.
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I think it is a duty. Because when history is
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forgotten, who are you going to call? Ghostbusters!
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Sorry. We got to end on that, don't we? Yeah,
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no, sorry. Any final thoughts? It just happened.
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Any final thoughts here? I'm sorry if I caused
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such a deep thinking conversation. No, it's a
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good conversation. It's a great conversation
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we should have. And I think that's everything,
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something that needs to be talked about in the
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paranormal society. when when is it appropriate
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if ever appropriate and i think the biggest thing
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is like like we've talked about is not sensationalizing
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the hauntings and but we need to talk about the
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history yeah that's the biggest thing yeah yeah
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yeah i think for a Big topic that we never explicitly
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talked about all as a group. I think we all actually
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kind of agree on all points. Wow. Wow. So I don't
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think we need to just beat a dead horse. We can
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wrap this up. Yeah, we really hit the nail on
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its head. I think you got it right this time.
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I think I got it right this time too. Wow. Okay.
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And anything else? No. Okay. Well, thank God
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we asked you what the topic was because we got
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that conversation. You guys were going in blind.
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Oh, dear. Now we know how it feels. Bree, this
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whole episode, I'll just be like, oh God, oh
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God, my brain. That's like Angela when we're
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talking about like fucking cheese layers just
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because it's like she goes in blind. Oh, goodness.
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