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Healthcare In America with Dr. Joe Camps · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: So much fun doing this. Monday, May nineteenth, Good morning, friends, Welcome.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of weird to think we are halfway past
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  Speaker 1: the midway part of the month of May, and before
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  Speaker 1: you know it. You know what that means. We're buying
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  Speaker 1: Christmas presents and we're putting up Christmas trees. You know
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  Speaker 1: it's coming up soon. Welcome to the Monday edition of
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  Speaker 1: The Morning Show Show fifty three eighty two and joining
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  Speaker 1: me this morning in studio, doctor Joe Camps. Unbelievable. How
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  Speaker 1: are you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Preston, how are you today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderful. You and I Every now and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll see each other in town and you'll be at
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  Speaker 1: the football games of the basketball games. But this is
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  Speaker 1: the first time in twenty three years of you and
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  Speaker 1: I doing our Monday segments that we're face to face
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  Speaker 1: doing this.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. I've talked to you from many places, some in
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  Speaker 2: the operating room just going into surgery or whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: glad you made that clarification. Not during surgery, of course.
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  Speaker 2: You know I tried to stay focused when I was
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  Speaker 2: working in of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to give everybody just a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a snapshot of Joe Camps. I've mentioned it from
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  Speaker 1: time to time over the years. You were the first
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  Speaker 1: captain of a Bobby Bowden coach football team at Florida State.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us how you came to FSU.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was being recruited. I fortunately, I guess I
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  Speaker 2: was a five A athlete, which was, you know, really
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  Speaker 2: exciting for me. And I made All State and Bill
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  Speaker 2: Canyon coach Kanty, who was the quarterback coach, came to
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  Speaker 2: my high school and he said, we'd like to recruit
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  Speaker 2: you to Florida State under Larry Jones, and so I
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  Speaker 2: decided to come here. And it's been unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Had you ever visited Tallahassee before that?
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  Speaker 2: Not really?
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  Speaker 1: So when you say school, where were you going to school?
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  Speaker 2: I was in Gainesville and I was, okay, thinking about
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  Speaker 2: going to University of Florida, Okay, yes, And they didn't
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  Speaker 2: offer me. They said we'll take you on the second day.
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  Speaker 2: And so when I had schools like Miami and Florida
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  Speaker 2: State recruiting me, I said, I'm not going to wait around.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take a scholarship. And boy, probably the
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  Speaker 2: best decision of my life.
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  Speaker 1: What was it like playing for coach Bowden early on,
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  Speaker 1: when he was really at the beginning of transforming, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be fair to say, not just
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  Speaker 1: the football program, Bobby Bowden transformed Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: University unbelievable and I'll never forget. I got called into
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  Speaker 2: his office one day and he was sitting there and
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  Speaker 2: I was face to face with him, and he says, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: are you walking the line? And I paused, and I
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  Speaker 2: mean I didn't know how to answer that because I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't sure where he was coming from. I says, Coach,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing all I know and trying my very best.
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  Speaker 2: But he says, are you walking the line? Son? I said, yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. Great man. Got to know him well,
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  Speaker 2: actually provided his health services. I'll never forget when he
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  Speaker 2: was diagnosed, he says. Now, Joe, I don't want anybody
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  Speaker 2: to know about this, he says, because everybody will say
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Boalden is dying and they'll recruit against me and
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  Speaker 2: I'll lose a lot of players. I says, okay, Coach,
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  Speaker 2: I won't say anything. And one morning, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was a Good Morning America show back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: this lady comes on and she says, coach Balden has
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  Speaker 2: been diagnosed with prostate CAMS. And I went what I
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  Speaker 2: had kept it secret for months and years, and all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden he exposed it. And I'll never forget
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  Speaker 2: that day because I got about five job offers around
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  Speaker 2: the country just on that diagnosis of the coach and
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  Speaker 2: loved him to death. Wonderful person and just just had
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  Speaker 2: a great career here in Tallahassee.
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  Speaker 1: What got you to the medical School of Medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I was growing up, I said, I always
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  Speaker 2: wanted to become a physician. It was part of my dream,
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  Speaker 2: part of my goals, and I pursued it. Uh and
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  Speaker 2: boy it was. It's It's been great President to be
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  Speaker 2: able to to help people and and to be able
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  Speaker 2: to make some reasonable contributions not only here in Tallahassee,
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  Speaker 2: but around North Florida. And had an opportunity to train
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  Speaker 2: out in Texas at the University of Texas MD Anderson
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  Speaker 2: Council Center. It was a great opportunity, a great learning experience.
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  Speaker 2: We had sixty beds on the urology service that it
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  Speaker 2: tells you, you know, you won't have sixty beds on
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  Speaker 2: one ward in most high hospital but we had sixty
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  Speaker 2: beds with with eurology patience, and it was a great experience.
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  Speaker 2: And I just feel like the Lord has just directed
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  Speaker 2: my path, yeah, the whole way, because I couldn't script it. Preston,
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  Speaker 2: I promise you I couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Back with doctor Joe Camps, you mentioned urology, being an oncologist, urologist.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many fields of medicine. You mentioned wanting
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  Speaker 1: to be a physician, and in my mind, I hear physician.
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  Speaker 1: I think of a family doctor. You see him to
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  Speaker 1: diagnose whatever is going on, and he becomes the doctor
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  Speaker 1: for your whole family. He or she. What led you
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  Speaker 1: to urology?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's an interesting question. I went
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  Speaker 2: down to Miami with one of my friends who was
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  Speaker 2: in medschoo His dad was a cardiologist, and he introduced
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  Speaker 2: me to uncle who was a urologist. And I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 2: Just out of the blue, he says, Son, he says,
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  Speaker 2: in your line of work, you want to become a eurologist.
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  Speaker 2: And then he began to talk about it, and the
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  Speaker 2: more I began to think about it, I thought, what
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  Speaker 2: an interesting career because you get to practice medicine. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of eurological issues are medically treated, but also you
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  Speaker 2: had the opportunity to become a surgeon as well, and
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  Speaker 2: there's something called endoscopy where you use lots of scopes,
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  Speaker 2: and neurology is one of the fields where using instrumentation
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  Speaker 2: really was ahead of a lot of different specialties in medicine.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, boy, I have a chance to practice
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  Speaker 2: medicine sort at a primary care level, but yet move
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  Speaker 2: up the scale to become a surgeon. And it gave
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  Speaker 2: me the best of both worlds in medicine, so I
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  Speaker 2: was able to practice medicine, if you will, and then
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  Speaker 2: I had a chance to develop my skills to be
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  Speaker 2: able to operate on people, and most eurological procedures you
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  Speaker 2: have good outcomes and people get better right away. So
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  Speaker 2: it was very gratifying for me, particularly those that had
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  Speaker 2: let's say, for instance, a kidney stone sure which can
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  Speaker 2: be very very painful, I mean extremely painful. So I've
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  Speaker 2: heard and one hour later the patient's smiling and going
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  Speaker 2: thank you, doc. I feel great. So the rewards were great,
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  Speaker 2: and some of them were immediate. I think of things
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  Speaker 2: like testiculatorsion you're twisting of the testicle, you have a
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  Speaker 2: young kid and one hour later they're laughing and smiling.
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  Speaker 2: So the returns on your work were very gratifying, and
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  Speaker 2: in some instances, obviously there were more significant things, such as,
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  Speaker 2: sure what the president's being diagnosed with the former president
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Prostate cancer probably not that uncommon in an
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  Speaker 2: eighty plus year old.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe finding it seemingly as late as they found
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  Speaker 1: it allegedly we don't know, of course, but it seems
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  Speaker 1: in a very aggressive form.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's part of the mystery of prostate cancer.
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  Speaker 2: He had a nodule, and so fifty percent of those
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  Speaker 2: that have a nodule, a large percentage of those will
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  Speaker 2: have prostate cancer. But sometimes it can be benign and
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  Speaker 2: not really an issue. And then some say, well, there's
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  Speaker 2: PSA prostaate specific anergen, which is a blood test that
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  Speaker 2: everybody talks about. But some tumors are low secretors of PSA.
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  Speaker 2: You might have a normal PSA but a very aggressive
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  Speaker 2: form of prostate cancer. So you have to think it
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  Speaker 2: through and work it up, which is what they did
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  Speaker 2: and found out, Yeah, he probably has a low secreting
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  Speaker 2: PSA on a very aggressive prostate cancer, and so a
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  Speaker 2: large percentage of mails after the age of seventy will
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  Speaker 2: develop prostate cancer, and sometimes it's readily apparent and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's not.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess the big takeaway, which is something you
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  Speaker 1: and I have talked about frequently over the twenty three years,
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  Speaker 1: is for men to not ignore those routine checks exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And in this case it was found on a nodule.
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  Speaker 2: A large percentage of prostate cancers are diagnosed by PSA,
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  Speaker 2: the blood test, but that could be misleading as well.
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  Speaker 2: So you need a complete evaluation not only laboratory findings
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  Speaker 2: and physical findings, but some of the detection methods that
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  Speaker 2: we now have available to us today. You know all
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  Speaker 2: of the scanning the radiologic diagnosis. Obviously are talking about
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  Speaker 2: a PET scan which gives you another detection mechanism. So
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  Speaker 2: it can be a complicated set of issues that you
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  Speaker 2: have to work through. So a patient needs authority evaluation.
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  Speaker 1: With me in studio is the host of our Healthy
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  Speaker 1: Expectations segment, Doctor Joe Camp's talk about the great double
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  Speaker 1: entendre right health. The expectations we ought to have them
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  Speaker 1: tell me in your field, if you were to consider
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  Speaker 1: where you were in understanding the different forms of cancers
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  Speaker 1: and the treatments of them. When you first started to
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  Speaker 1: where we are now, how would you quantify if you could,
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  Speaker 1: the developments and improvements.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a quantum leap. You know. Traditionally there was
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  Speaker 2: radiation therapy, sometimes there was radical surgery. Sometimes there was
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  Speaker 2: hormonal therapy. Certain tumors respond to the hormones, and if
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  Speaker 2: you block the hormones, you'll get regression. But I think
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  Speaker 2: therapy is going to be the real breakthrough for cancer treatment,
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  Speaker 2: and that is activation of your t cells, your own body,
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  Speaker 2: activating cells that will attack the tumors. Part of the
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  Speaker 2: problem with cancer treatments is that it's toxic to the body,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes you just to kill other things like suppression
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  Speaker 2: of the bone mare, and so what happens if you
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  Speaker 2: suppress your bone mare, you potentially could get some type
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  Speaker 2: of an infection that actually takes you out. The cancer
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  Speaker 2: itself didn't do it, but it's it's an infection of
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  Speaker 2: some sort of pneumonia, those kinds of things, or sepsis
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  Speaker 2: that can happen, and so it's toxicity from the treatment itself.
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  Speaker 1: And so when you say immunotherapy, do you expect that
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  Speaker 1: type of treatment to come within your field of oncology
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  Speaker 1: and urology, or is it a separate field under itself
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  Speaker 1: that will work in parallel or as a companion to.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a companion too, because activation of
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  Speaker 2: your bone mare to fight against a foreign invader limits
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  Speaker 2: the toxicity which you get from some treatments. And I
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  Speaker 2: say toxicity meaning that some things actually can suppress your
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  Speaker 2: bone mare. So if your bone mare isn't functioning, then
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  Speaker 2: you have a whole myriad of problems that develop, such
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  Speaker 2: as becoming a nemic, developing pneumonia's all sorts of medical
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  Speaker 2: issues that the cancer itself didn't take you out, but
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  Speaker 2: the treatment did because it suppressed the bone marre. So
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  Speaker 2: these therapies can be quite complicated, and you know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to deal with the host, the host meaning you,
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  Speaker 2: the body and its response. Sometimes you just don't know
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  Speaker 2: how that's going to happen. And uh and so the
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  Speaker 2: cancer itself didn't kill you, but the treatment did because
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  Speaker 2: it suppresses your bone mare, You become a mnemic, you
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  Speaker 2: get pneumonias, those types of things which ultimately UH can
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  Speaker 2: can be the source of one demise.
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  Speaker 1: Are you still consulting, are you still reading the trades.
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  Speaker 1: How how involved are you, Because there's a part of
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  Speaker 1: me that thinks, as much as it's good to kind
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  Speaker 1: of say, I've had my career, especially in the field
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  Speaker 1: where you are doing surgeries and operations and you're you
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  Speaker 1: say that there's great reward, but there's still very weighty
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  Speaker 1: matters that you're you know, consulting with patients about. Are
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  Speaker 1: you staying actively in it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I currently work part time at the hospital and
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  Speaker 2: organizational improvement uh AND and also our work and review
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  Speaker 2: physician work activity. And you know, no one's perfect, and
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  Speaker 2: so I'm able to counsel sometimes the physicians on decisions
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  Speaker 2: that were made and launch programs to improve the delivery
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  Speaker 2: of the healthcare. So I'm up every day. This morning,
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  Speaker 2: I was up at five, met my walking crew. We
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  Speaker 2: walked our usual four and a half miles.
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  Speaker 1: A boy and.
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  Speaker 2: Got a shower, jumped in and I'm here at the show.
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  Speaker 1: You say you walk four and a half miles At
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  Speaker 1: any point, does that turn into a jog?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I used to jog for about twenty five years. I
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  Speaker 2: know you did, and I really enjoyed. And one of
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  Speaker 2: my highlights was I actually got the jog with one
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  Speaker 2: of our governors who met us at the club, and
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  Speaker 2: we had a chance to jog and really had some
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  Speaker 2: fine mornings. A lot gets done at five o'clock in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, Preston, tell me about it and get a
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  Speaker 2: chance to discuss issues, talk about issues with family, talk
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  Speaker 2: about life issues. We talk about football, basketball, baseball, and
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  Speaker 2: then other subjects depending on what turns up.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Joe Camp's with me. More time with doctor Camps next.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me when was the last time you had this
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  Speaker 1: much time with a doctor? Right right, exactly. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we're doing here this morning on the Morning Show with
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  Speaker 1: Preston Scott. Time flies when you're having a great conversation,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it. Doctor Joe Camps with me in studio for
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  Speaker 1: another two segments here. We talked last week about prescription prices, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and the President told a hilarious story about the fat
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  Speaker 1: shot and how a guy goes to the UK and
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  Speaker 1: gets it for eighty eight bucks and he's paying twelve
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  Speaker 1: hundred in New York for the same exact shot.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, the pharmaceutical industry has been under scrutiny.
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  Speaker 1: I think fair.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fair. I think we need to take
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  Speaker 2: a look at that because I've I've looked at certain
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  Speaker 2: drug costs and pharmaceutical cost it's insane. I mean you
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  Speaker 2: can't afford it. I mean you lose your life savings
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  Speaker 2: trying to purchase medication.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what's the point of the medicine if you
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  Speaker 1: can't afford to take it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you probably shouldn't even advertise it. To be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, I knew long ago when I first read
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  Speaker 2: about some of the newer drugs that they were phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: And we're finding out like ozembic and we'll go be
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  Speaker 2: the things we're talking about, they're finding that they could
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  Speaker 2: have benefits in the treatment of Alzheimer's. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: name it. This is a breakthrough. And I remember we
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  Speaker 2: talked about this drug and I said, press and I
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  Speaker 2: think this is going to be a real breakthrough. And
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  Speaker 2: now it's it seems to be the drug of choice
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  Speaker 2: to deal with obesity, which still I think is probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the number one health issues in our country.
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  Speaker 2: You're quite honest with you, and create some myriad of
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  Speaker 2: problems that could be avoided. You think of orthopedic cases
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  Speaker 2: from you know, pain on the wear and tear on
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  Speaker 2: the joints, and you just you know, obesity again needs
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  Speaker 2: to be attacked, and I think I think this drug
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  Speaker 2: has been phenomenal in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that that the pharmaceutical companies are and
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  Speaker 1: to oversimplify, is the United States paying for the R
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  Speaker 1: and D the research and development portion of of these things.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them, Yes, I mean some of that.
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  Speaker 1: So these high prices domestically, it's because they kind of
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  Speaker 1: view the Americans can afford it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I absolutely do. How can you spend literally one
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  Speaker 2: eighth in a foreign country for me medication? Here you pay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, seven eight times the real cost of the
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  Speaker 2: of the drug. And then what you get is we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to the pharmacy benefit managers. Well, it's not them
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  Speaker 2: that totally decides the pricing. Is that it's a business.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can, you can make a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money on pharmaceuticals, and people know that, especially if in
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  Speaker 2: this case you've got a drug that deals with weight
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people desire to lose weight for
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  Speaker 2: various reasons, and they're willing to spend whatever it takes.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think this will always continue to be
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  Speaker 2: a challenge and I think around the world we'll perceived
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  Speaker 2: as as having the greatest resources, and of course Americans
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  Speaker 2: can pay more, and that's just something I think we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to wait and see and get some parody
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  Speaker 2: around the world on this issue.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the government has to involve itself
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  Speaker 1: in this?
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  Speaker 2: Probably because when you look at spending, you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: Medicare and Medicaid. The commercial products are available and they
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  Speaker 2: spend lots of money as well, but the number one
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  Speaker 2: source of revenue for the pharmaceutical industry is the government.
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  Speaker 2: It's Medicare and Medicaid. And make no mistake about.
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  Speaker 1: It, It's not lost on me that what maybe half
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  Speaker 1: of the commercials on any sports day are going to
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  Speaker 1: be commercials dealing with medications.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so they're trying to message the products that
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  Speaker 2: they have. And let's face it, this a business too,
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  Speaker 2: and one that's very lucrative, and there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of players in this marketplace. So I think we're going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to see challenges across the board here.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Camps with me one more segment. Joe, you and
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  Speaker 1: I talked about this in the break and how I
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  Speaker 1: believe that the medical community, broadly speaking, obviously exceptions, I
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  Speaker 1: paint with a broad brush and you understand that. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I believe the medical profession really damaged itself during COVID
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  Speaker 1: greatly the stance of vaccine only and not allowing room
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  Speaker 1: for dissenting views and thoughts which were proven to be
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  Speaker 1: accurate dissenting views and thoughts. But it gets back to
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  Speaker 1: trust ultimately, as a doctor, you have to have the
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  Speaker 1: trust of the people you're speaking to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: How does the medical community broadly regain trust loss during COVID?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we we we should listen to our
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  Speaker 2: patients and look at the twos that we have to
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  Speaker 2: work with medications, surgery, those types of things, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: make the best decisions in our minds that we think
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  Speaker 2: is the right thing for the patients. And quite frankly,
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  Speaker 2: I remember the COVID situation and it was devastating. I
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  Speaker 2: have never seen more refrigerated trucks carrying bodies out at
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  Speaker 2: the hospital than during that time, both hospitals, and I
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: think it had a tremendous effect on the medical community
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: because we were dealing with something that I'm not sure
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: we really anybody really knew what needed to be done
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  Speaker 2: in the moment. You can always go back and review
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: your data, become analytical with it. But the doctors that
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I worked with, I think we're trying the very best
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: using the two's that we had.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Do you think there was some bullying going on? Though?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: For example, I feel like a lot of the medical community.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I actually had emails from doctors that said, I'm being
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: threatened with my job if I don't do this, and
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  Speaker 1: that had never been happened, and that had never happened.
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  Speaker 2: No, it never happened, And I think that I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of fear. I'll never forget. We
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: had to go into some of the rooms and we
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: had HASMA suits and I mean we were covered as
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: if there was some big plague in.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: The movie Outbreak.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think it was a moment
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  Speaker 2: in time where, quite frankly, a lot of us didn't
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: know exactly what to do. And you know, when we
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: take our oath to become physicians, the first thing we
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: say is first, do no harm. And I think that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of people truly were paralyzed by this. They
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: weren't sure exactly what to do.
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  Speaker 1: But yet, but yet the medical community was ordering you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: will do this when you're right. I think you're exactly right.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of doctors were like, hold on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: here now, but we're being ordered to a protocol that
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: science ironically showed this guy who was a college dropout
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that you can't vaccinate against the coronavirus. There's never been
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: one developed to stop it, and yet that's what we
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: were told.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think when you think of viruses, we
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: know the one thing that happens is things mutate, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: so you're not really sure no matter what you're doing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I promise you you're not one hundred percent sure. And
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: if you think about that, and then our decision making
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: doctors deal with that all the time every day, patient
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the patient. Do I really believe this? Yes, but I'm
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: not sure, and so sometimes you just it's not a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: finite process.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think lessons were learned?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, And in some cases I think we overreacted
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and sometimes I'm sure there were bad decisions. Yeah, I'm
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: sure there were times there were good decisions, but boy,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that was a challenging time for us.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I commented to you in the break that I think
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it would be useful if broadly we had leaders of
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: hospitals and doctors associations and so forth come out and say,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you know, we made some mistakes and we were wrong
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: about this, this and this, But I've not heard that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: No, you haven't. And I think that that's one of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the things that positions sometimes struggle with. And I promise
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you it weighs on your mind. Sure, it's a tough
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that's a tough position sometimes Becau's why.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not one, But it's it's it's very rewarding, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: there are challenges in this business that and we do
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it on a day to day basis, case by case
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: sometimes and we're not one hundred percent sure.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And if there's a position out there there's one hundred
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: percent sure, then I want to meet that person because
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: that's the challenging part of what we do. Well.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's why it's called practicing medicine.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that. It is practicing because we
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: don't always it's yeah, we don't always have the Sometimes
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the decisions that are made are toxic to the body.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: We talked about that, and sometimes the best decision probably
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: is to do nothing sometimes if you're not sure, or
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: seek advice. But we deal with those day to day
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: issues every single day.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you making time and coming down here. Thank
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you for having me do this again. Sometimes, yeah, we'll
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: do it. Sometimes we'll take some questions someday, Oh, I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: don't know, open up some questions to some of the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: guys out there asking about it. Are we going to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: ever do this colonoscopy without getting that stuff that we
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: got to take?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: No, I'm afraid that's with you and it's called golightly,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: So uh you will go.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Good. Good to see you.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having me
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Doctor Joe Camps with me on The Morning Show with
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Preston Scott