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EPISODE 30: Uncle Chris Replaced Emily And Said What?!! · It's Mom O'Clock

• 0:00
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• 1:11
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• 2:02
  Speaker A: Hello, you guys, stop.
• 2:06
  Speaker B: Is it Mama Clock yet? I'm going crazy.
• 2:09
  Speaker A: Heck, yeah, it's Mama Clock. Somewhere, You guys, a random man knocked on my door and said, hey, I'm here to be on your podcast. And I said, okay, Come sit down.
• 2:43
  Speaker C: Huh?
• 2:43
  Speaker A: And here I am, you guys, today we have a very special special guest. He goes by Chris. Uncle Chris to many, too many. And my very own personal, loving cousin's boyfriend.
• 2:58
  Speaker C: Yes, I am.
• 2:59
  Speaker A: Welcome to Mama Clock.
• 3:00
  Speaker C: Thank you for having me. What am I doing here?
• 3:02
  Speaker A: I have no idea. First of all, if you think something's missing, it is.
• 3:07
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 3:08
  Speaker A: My co host unfortunately has strep throat, so what did I do? Hey, Chris, do you want to come on the podcast he ran here?
• 3:19
  Speaker C: It was from guest to up until today, now co host. So bear with us.
• 3:26
  Speaker A: Bear with us.
• 3:26
  Speaker C: Bear with me. I've never done that.
• 3:28
  Speaker A: He's new here. He's been sitting in that chair for 30 minutes just like talking to himself. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, practicing. I love it. We're so excited to have you. I'm saying we're. Because Emily's here in spirit.
• 3:38
  Speaker C: Yes, she is right here.
• 3:39
  Speaker A: It's fine. But welcome.
• 3:41
  Speaker C: Thank you.
• 3:42
  Speaker A: How does it feel?
• 3:43
  Speaker C: I don't know. I'm like, you don't know what to.
• 3:45
  Speaker A: Do with your hands and feet?
• 3:46
  Speaker C: I don't know what to do with my hands and feet. Like, keep hands and feet inside the vehicle at all times.
• 3:49
  Speaker A: I said, don't hit the microphone. Don't flare your arms. He already did both of those, so it's fine.
• 3:53
  Speaker C: Absolutely. So no, I'm here. I'm happy, freaking out. What am I doing?
• 3:58
  Speaker A: Can we just mention, though, real quick?
• 3:59
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 4:00
  Speaker A: He got here and he just like, up and openly just told me he had a meeting with his CEO. And I go, okay, yeah, you go from meeting with CEO to mom o'.
• 4:10
  Speaker C: Clock. Meeting with mom o'.
• 4:11
  Speaker A: Clock. Like, what was that?
• 4:13
  Speaker C: Well, so I'm at Mama Clock hq. I walked in banging pots and pans, dropped my backpack, dropped Gio's water cup, dropped my OALA 32 ounce bottle, which could kill someone. We all know that.
• 4:23
  Speaker A: I told him he wasn't allowed to have that on my podcast. It ruins the aesthetic.
• 4:26
  Speaker C: So I have this. And Dominique also said to me, what'd you say to me? You go, oh, do you want that water or this water? I go, imagine if I made you transfer my awala water.
• 4:36
  Speaker A: I thought that's what you wanted, cuz you. You carry that thing around like. It's like you're like life support.
• 4:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 4:42
  Speaker C: IV I. So, no, I had a busy work day. What did I say the other day? I said, you're on Mama's on the clock. Chrissy's on the clock.
• 4:50
  Speaker A: We tried to reschedule. And he goes, I'm not available. I said, okay, we're doing this today.
• 4:54
  Speaker C: Oh, when we found out Emily was sick. Yeah, yeah. We had to. So Emily, God bless, she is strapped. I'll say it.
• 4:59
  Speaker A: She. I gotta say, though, Emily, it takes a lot for her to be like, I don't feel good. So she was like, I don't feel good. I'm like, oh, my gosh, she must not really feel good. And then for her to cancel and not be able to come here, we haven't done that in the 30 episodes we've been doing on the clock.
• 5:12
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 5:13
  Speaker A: So literally, I was like. She's like, you have to just do it with Chris. I was like, so Chris is now my co host.
• 5:18
  Speaker C: Chris is co host.
• 5:19
  Speaker A: No idea. But you're perfect for the job. A so I'm so excited. But people are probably like, why the is Chris here?
• 5:26
  Speaker C: You know what I just thought of as you're saying, why is Chris here? I just thought I also work in with pediatrician.
• 5:31
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 5:31
  Speaker C: With my job. So I have a lot of qualifications. And just add another.
• 5:35
  Speaker A: You do. This is your second qualification also, if you're a pediatrician and you're listening.
• 5:40
  Speaker C: Thank you.
• 5:42
  Speaker A: So anywho, back to regular programming.
• 5:45
  Speaker C: People are gonna be like, one, who's this kid? And two, what does he do for work?
• 5:47
  Speaker A: And now he's saying he works pediatricians, doctors, pediatricians.
• 5:50
  Speaker C: That's all you need to know. Yeah, done.
• 5:52
  Speaker A: So anyway, I just have to give us, like, a backstory of me and you.
• 5:56
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 5:56
  Speaker A: I met Chris. I was the first one out of the family to meet Chris.
• 5:59
  Speaker C: Wait, January or February this year? January. February.
• 6:03
  Speaker A: You came to my house on Christmas day with Christmas cookies. No, you came to my house.
• 6:07
  Speaker C: Yeah. Don't you. I'm already like, where I am. I don't bring real housewives into this. Okay. Because I'm like, wait, did I come in Christmas Day? I'm like, no, I didn't continue.
• 6:15
  Speaker A: My cousin calls me and was like, I met somebody. I really want you to meet him. I'm like, oh, God, this must be serious. You have to cook dinner. I was like, oh, my God. So I cook pasta and meatballs, and he comes to my house. Six foot nine, six foot three, can't fit through my door.
• 6:30
  Speaker C: Amen.
• 6:31
  Speaker A: Was so excited. But you were so nervous. Through the grape. Grapevine.
• 6:35
  Speaker C: More nervous than I was that day. Then today, FYI, I was shaking.
• 6:39
  Speaker A: Crazy of you.
• 6:40
  Speaker C: On the phone with a friend. Give me like a men pop up. Now I'm meeting cousin. This is serious.
• 6:44
  Speaker A: Like, I'm not that serious. I know I look that serious, but I'm not. Sometimes winter coat comes to my door. So welcoming, so loving. We hit it off right off the bat. I was like, this is my new best friend. If anything were to happen, which it Would never. With you, my cousin.
• 7:01
  Speaker C: Never.
• 7:01
  Speaker A: We would still be. You would still be sitting.
• 7:04
  Speaker C: I would still be callous.
• 7:06
  Speaker A: I just knew I needed you in the time I needed you. I knew my cousin needed you in the time he needed you, and I knew you needed me in the time, and we just hit it off and we've been in love ever since. And I'm so happy you're in my life. Aw.
• 7:17
  Speaker C: I'm happy you're in my life, too.
• 7:19
  Speaker A: I know.
• 7:19
  Speaker C: You're like, a piece that I didn't know I was missing.
• 7:21
  Speaker A: I know. Same. I know you have, like, a lot of family and friends, but I'm, like, top of the list, right?
• 7:26
  Speaker C: I mean, you were at my birthday dinner with lesbian, so I would assume so.
• 7:30
  Speaker A: Right? And I'm friends with your friends.
• 7:31
  Speaker C: Speaking of my birthday.
• 7:33
  Speaker A: It's not to the mug. Speaking of birthday, still celebrating. I have a special present for you. Reach down with your left hand. Pick it up. I want you to open it.
• 7:44
  Speaker C: I feel like I'm in one of those things already.
• 7:46
  Speaker A: Know what the birthday gift is because I needed to get your size.
• 7:49
  Speaker C: Yeah, I hope also because I did lose weight.
• 7:52
  Speaker A: Open up your birthday gift.
• 7:53
  Speaker C: Watch Uncle Chris open his birthday gift.
• 7:54
  Speaker A: Go ahead. I'm surprised.
• 7:55
  Speaker C: I was gonna say, I do know what this says, but should I, like, do the vet? Oh, my God.
• 8:00
  Speaker A: Do you love it?
• 8:01
  Speaker C: I really am grateful, though.
• 8:03
  Speaker A: I know, but.
• 8:03
  Speaker C: So, guys, I do work out a lot.
• 8:05
  Speaker A: Wait, my mom holds those pants up and goes, whose are these four?
• 8:11
  Speaker C: I said, I'm not doing the neck thing on the podcast, right?
• 8:15
  Speaker A: I said, chris. And I mean. I mean, not for nothing, like, don't take. You're a big dude saying that, like, you're, like, big. I'm saying you are a big dude, though, in the best way possible.
• 8:28
  Speaker C: 1. Thank you. 2. Yes. Because sometimes even, like, your cousin, my boyfriend will, like, hold up, like, my stuff and be like, whose bloomers are these? And I'm like, put them down. Because they're.
• 8:37
  Speaker A: But you don't look. You don't look that big.
• 8:40
  Speaker C: I know, but I'm like, 260 even.
• 8:42
  Speaker A: Yeah, like, you're just like. We don't need to, like, hide some weight.
• 8:45
  Speaker C: So, again, what am I doing on the podcast? And you have no idea.
• 8:47
  Speaker A: We have no idea. We're talking about how you want hydrome.
• 8:50
  Speaker C: Okay, moms, stay tuned. It's gonna get serious.
• 8:52
  Speaker A: It's gonna get serious. So anyway, the reason why Chris is on the podcast, I honestly have no idea. He's just dating my cousin and we just have to have him on the podcast. No, I'm kidding. But honestly, you know, Chris is. And I'm talking about you in third person. You're in front of me, but your family, you come to Sunday dinners. Like, you are in it for the long run. And I feel that in my bones. So not only that, I mean, you just. You just are that. I just know you are that person to everybody because you're that person to me. Advice a phone call away. You're just that family member to family and friends.
• 9:26
  Speaker C: I love that.
• 9:27
  Speaker A: So I just feel like I feel that too. And I just met you not even a year ago. Like, less than a year, literally.
• 9:32
  Speaker C: I love that. And I agree.
• 9:34
  Speaker A: Yeah, right.
• 9:34
  Speaker C: In the most non conceited way. Like, I feel like family and friends, they're like, all right, Chris will give it very similar to you.
• 9:41
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 9:41
  Speaker C: Like Chris and Dominique, they'll give you the real advice.
• 9:44
  Speaker A: And that's why we get along.
• 9:45
  Speaker C: Like Emily, our co host in spirit.
• 9:47
  Speaker A: Wait, our co host now getting paid.
• 9:51
  Speaker C: Guest. Actual co host. Gas. Emily, like, I feel like I don't even know what I'm about to say, but I feel like she's like, so nice that she wouldn't want to hurt your feelings.
• 10:00
  Speaker A: She doesn't like confrontation, so she would never want to say the things that people need to hear.
• 10:05
  Speaker C: Yeah. Like, is this a bad outfit? Emily might say, yes, but she'll be like, I don't want to hurt their feelings. We'll be like, you look a mess. Don't wear that 360 Dodge.
• 10:12
  Speaker A: That's why she goes right into my closet when she comes here.
• 10:15
  Speaker C: So.
• 10:15
  Speaker A: No, seriously. But anyway, I'm so happy you're here. You are the person to everybody, and you are Mama Clock's person. So let's get into a little bit why you're here.
• 10:26
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 10:27
  Speaker A: There's so much that goes into someone with your life I should say. And what I say today on this pod. I'm not trying to hurt feelings. I'm not trying to push my opinions on anybody. I'm not trying to say the wrong things. But unfortunately, I feel like sometimes it just. People take things the wrong way because of this day and age. People are just sensitive in that way. So I wanted. And Emily and I wanted you on here just to not only tell your story of being gay since what? Since you.
• 11:02
  Speaker C: I mean, like, I guess since birth.
• 11:04
  Speaker A: But since you knew you what. What the term was. Right. And I can use the word gay.
• 11:09
  Speaker C: Yeah, obviously.
• 11:09
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 11:10
  Speaker C: I also think it's like, so Controversial.
• 11:12
  Speaker A: I'm scared to say G a Y.
• 11:14
  Speaker C: And you shouldn't be.
• 11:15
  Speaker A: I shouldn't be.
• 11:16
  Speaker C: I am too. And I don't know why.
• 11:18
  Speaker A: Right.
• 11:18
  Speaker C: So, I mean, we need to sdo. Okay.
• 11:21
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 11:22
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 11:22
  Speaker A: So I just feel like we wanted you on here, and people are probably like, he's not a mom. What is he doing? He's not even a woman. We. What is going on? We wanted you on your type of story of what it's like to not only grow up gay, but you're at the Stage of Life, 29, just turned of starting a life with maybe somebody which comes with family. And I want to get into what that looks like for you, because maybe you guys aren't going to be mom and dad, but you guys are both going to be parents. And I need to hear what you, like, what that's going to look like in your mind.
• 11:55
  Speaker C: Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, what goes into that? And also, I feel like how it.
• 11:58
  Speaker A: Started, how it's going, you know, what would change?
• 12:01
  Speaker C: What be whatever. But, like, also, like, I feel like for moms, like, hey, the product of your kid mom o'. Clocking. You have a mom or you want to be a mom. This could be the product.
• 12:10
  Speaker A: Correct.
• 12:11
  Speaker C: In the best way possible. God bless. I hope you get this.
• 12:15
  Speaker A: And I feel like you had such a good life in that sense. You could tell me otherwise of. You know, some people have hard times growing up in a household where it's not accepted. Right. So I want to hear. I want to go into that. All that with you, and we'll talk about that. But I. First and foremost, before I forget, I know you want to tell a story about your life. Do you want to start with that? You're like, I'm setting up.
• 12:35
  Speaker C: This is what you and Emily do with, like, the fun fact of the week.
• 12:37
  Speaker A: Yes. We have. We always. Emily and I always do a story of the week. We always tell, like, a crazy story about our kids. Last week, it was like my kid threw up all over the place. I threw out the whole nursery was like a whole to do.
• 12:45
  Speaker C: I was here. That was the night that I came the next day. Yes. And I can guess. The parents were crazy. Yeah.
• 12:50
  Speaker A: So we usually tell a story like that. So do you have something for us?
• 12:52
  Speaker C: That's when I brought Gio the green juice, because the poor thing was throwing everything up. Okay. God bless. Gio's better. But so my. My story's not of the week. And I did preface with this. Dominique and Emily and I said, does it have to be the week because nothing's happened. I had a birthday, but that was it. Whatever. So my story of my life is, I don't even know if you know this. I don't know if I told you.
• 13:11
  Speaker A: I'm so excited.
• 13:11
  Speaker C: I totaled my dad's car when I was 13. Did I tell you this? No. Okay, so one, my dad passed. So God bless. God rest. God rest. So my dad was much, much older. My mom and him were 22.
• 13:25
  Speaker A: Married.
• 13:25
  Speaker C: Married 22, 23 years apart. So when I was 13, driving Daddy's Toyota.
• 13:30
  Speaker A: So you didn't have your license?
• 13:31
  Speaker C: I was 13.
• 13:32
  Speaker A: Wait, when you get your license? No, I'm sorry, by.
• 13:35
  Speaker C: Wait, wait. When you can drive by yourself? When you can drive with someone.
• 13:39
  Speaker A: When you have your license.
• 13:40
  Speaker C: 17.
• 13:41
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 13:41
  Speaker C: So I was a freshman in high school.
• 13:42
  Speaker A: So you were driving with somebody?
• 13:44
  Speaker C: I was driving by myself.
• 13:45
  Speaker A: You had your permit.
• 13:46
  Speaker C: I was 13.
• 13:46
  Speaker A: So you didn't have your license.
• 13:47
  Speaker C: Exactly. Illegal. Yeah, illegal.
• 13:49
  Speaker A: That is what we're alerting to.
• 13:50
  Speaker C: Story of my life. It's funny. Okay, so whatever. So I drove my dad's car. I took it. And I used to love driving. I was like Ricky Bobby and Talladega nights. Like, I love driving.
• 13:58
  Speaker A: I love that.
• 13:59
  Speaker C: So it was broad daylight. My mom was getting ready for tricky Try. Moms can relate. Tricky. Hello. And my mom is also one of the ones. Like she's on the. My mom's on the clock. On the clock. Aunt was coming over and my mom's like, you're a minute late. Like, where are you? That's my mom's type. So this is a sub story because my aunt was like, I got no calls from your mom because I was running late. I knew something was wrong. So now I digress to the actual story. So I take the car. Broad daylight, dad's on the couch. Moments got ready.
• 14:25
  Speaker A: No one knew.
• 14:25
  Speaker C: No one knew where their 13 year old son was. Mama clocks. Where were you? I take the car. I'm driving in the neighborhood. I am going around a turn and I let go of the steering wheel for whatever reason, I don't remember why. And I hit a tree. And thank God the tree was there.
• 14:38
  Speaker A: This is why 13 year olds don't drive.
• 14:40
  Speaker C: Exactly. And I could have gone right into a house. Thank God there was a tree and then a big bush. I tried to reverse, the car wouldn't move because it was like crashed.
• 14:47
  Speaker A: Airbags? No airbags.
• 14:48
  Speaker C: Airbags didn't deploy, interestingly enough.
• 14:50
  Speaker A: We'll talk about that.
• 14:51
  Speaker C: God bless. Run home. I say, daddy oh, my God. Someone stole your car. They were in a black hat. Lied. Liar. My parents call the cops. Now we go back to the car to try to move it. The entire neighborhood is there. Everyone is watching. The cops come and they, like, can put two and two together. That I was clearly lying because I was like, they ran that way. Like, it was like, boy, you cried. Well, oh. The cops say to my parents, if he doesn't tell the truth, like. Or they said to me, like, if you don't tell the truth, we're gonna bring your parents to the station for filing a false witness report. My neighbors ratted on me. Rats. And they go, we saw him running from the car, indicating I clearly crashed it. So then I was like, okay, like, jig is up. It was. It was Chris. It was Chris. You caught me.
• 15:32
  Speaker A: No way.
• 15:33
  Speaker C: So then I had to go to court on my birthday for, I think, two to three years straight. So this happened freshman year, and I didn't get anything in the mail. Oh, and also this. I started my license. When I were to get it, they were like, you're gonna have like, seven points. And they gave me two tickets. Unlicensed driver and reckless driving. No six month suspension on my license when I was supposed to get it.
• 15:55
  Speaker A: So when you get it, you couldn't get it for six months.
• 15:56
  Speaker C: For six months. Mind you, I'm already December, turning 17 senior year. So I wouldn't have got. I wouldn't have gotten until graduation day, right? At that point, who needs a car? And yes, so I had to go to court. I didn't get served until the following year. I thought they forgot. Like, as if they would forget.
• 16:11
  Speaker A: Like, they do not forget.
• 16:12
  Speaker C: They don't forget. And then I had to go to court on my birthday, sophomore year and.
• 16:15
  Speaker A: Junior year, it just happened to be on your birthday.
• 16:19
  Speaker C: I think they strategically planned to teach me a lesson because, like, why would they make it on my birthday, right? And I went to Catholic school, so I, like, went to court in my little uniform, like my cardigan.
• 16:27
  Speaker A: Were your parents so upset?
• 16:29
  Speaker C: Well, my dad passed before I actually got the official paperwork. Like, you're served. So it was really just me and my mom going through it. And by the time it happened, we were kind of just like it happened.
• 16:40
  Speaker A: No one got hurt. It's fine.
• 16:41
  Speaker C: Exactly. But my family, they do not live it down. My. For Christmas, they got me or my mom, like, a car and then said, well, Chris, can't crash this one. It's like a little toy car. It's still my house. Stop that's the story of my life.
• 16:52
  Speaker A: Wait, that's crazy. I can't believe a humorous went to juvie.
• 16:58
  Speaker C: Literally. Poor little Chris and juvie. That's the story.
• 17:01
  Speaker A: Does cousin know?
• 17:04
  Speaker C: I think I'm like, wait, my cousin Chazzy lives with me? No, cousin knows. I think if not he'll find out.
• 17:12
  Speaker A: Wait, that's a crazy story. I didn't know you were like.
• 17:15
  Speaker C: It wasn't like a bad boy.
• 17:17
  Speaker A: You're a little reckless.
• 17:18
  Speaker C: Whenever I say the story, I say what my outfit was. I was in a Hollister shirt, HCO skinny jeans from American Eagle and Ralph Lauren polo brown leather shoes.
• 17:27
  Speaker A: Never forget.
• 17:27
  Speaker C: So I wasn't reckless. I looked pretty impressed.
• 17:29
  Speaker A: Preppy. Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker C: Yeah. I was like preppy back in the day.
• 17:31
  Speaker A: That's crazy.
• 17:32
  Speaker C: Yeah, it's weird.
• 17:32
  Speaker A: This is why they don't give 13 year olds license.
• 17:34
  Speaker C: Exactly. So you have no story.
• 17:35
  Speaker A: Do I have a story? I mean today, I mean, you went to Cape May. Yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker C: How was that?
• 17:40
  Speaker A: With the kid below zero, freezing. Gia was a menace. Acting up. Not good.
• 17:44
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker A: I was a single mom. Husband did not come.
• 17:48
  Speaker C: But your mom was there.
• 17:49
  Speaker A: My mom was there but she has a bad leg. So she couldn't really like run around, help me chase him. So I was running around Cape May and freezing cold with him.
• 17:55
  Speaker C: This is just a question. Do you find it's different? I feel like the answer is obviously yes, but like having your mom versus having like Michael with you on trips. Michael, your husband?
• 18:03
  Speaker A: Yeah, because you have to think about it. Like, I love having my mom with me, but like I want her to enjoy and it's hard to enjoy, like. And she, she's just like that type to just be like, oh my God, he's making a scene. Instead of being like, let's go get him. Whereas Michael will be like, it's fine. Like I'm just gonna go entertain him over there.
• 18:17
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker A: So I was the one having to like. And meanwhile I'm able to like sit and drink my wine when Michael's there. But with my mom, like she.
• 18:23
  Speaker C: She's more so like hyper fixated on.
• 18:25
  Speaker A: Yes, yes. And she's kind of just like enjoying her time a little bit more. Trying to help, like taking the stroller. And I'm like kind of with the kid. Whereas I'm usually with the stroller. Michael's with the kid running around. But I mean, it was fun. It was so fun. I love Christmas vibes. So it was so fun to enjoy that. But to travel two and a half hours to stay there for less than 24 hours. And to come home in the freezing cold and to remember he's two. He doesn't want to put a jacket on. He doesn't want to put a hat on. Well, yeah, so it was like a lot. But it was fun to be with my brother, my sister in law and the baby. So. It was cute.
• 18:53
  Speaker C: It looks so cute.
• 18:53
  Speaker A: Yeah, it was cute. So I just love Kate May. I really do. I know you didn't really love it.
• 18:57
  Speaker C: No, I've been there once. But I was gonna say it's fun during Christmas. Yeah, we missed it by a week, the Christmas decoration. So you guys were lucky.
• 19:04
  Speaker A: Yeah. But it was just so cold, so it's like hard to enjoy.
• 19:07
  Speaker C: Yeah. I was gonna say though, when I was on Are you hot? Yeah. I was gonna say you should take.
• 19:12
  Speaker A: That off and I'll just kind of do like.
• 19:14
  Speaker C: Oh, off the shoulder. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. Your podcast just here for the fun. Yeah. You and Emily. So I was just on a plane coming home from Florida the other day and there was a screaming baby. And one started and then another started.
• 19:24
  Speaker A: It's sad, right? What do you feel bad for the baby or the mom?
• 19:27
  Speaker C: Well, so now as I'm getting older, because typically I turn be like, make sure they knew I was frustrated.
• 19:32
  Speaker A: I'd be like, seriously.
• 19:33
  Speaker C: But then now, like, all my friends have kids. You guys are all having kids. It's not their fault.
• 19:37
  Speaker A: It's not their fault.
• 19:38
  Speaker C: So I. What did I do? I kept my face forward and I was just like, poor. I feel bad.
• 19:42
  Speaker A: You feel bad for the parents.
• 19:43
  Speaker C: Exactly.
• 19:44
  Speaker A: So, no, I totally agree. It's so hard. Back in the day, I used to be like, I'm those kids crying behind me. Now I'm like, oh, my God, would never ever care in the world. I almost would be like, it's okay.
• 19:53
  Speaker C: Yeah, I more so would be like, how can I help you?
• 19:54
  Speaker A: How can I help you? Literally, I'm here to help you.
• 19:57
  Speaker C: We're just givers.
• 19:58
  Speaker A: Yeah. So anyway, back to why you're here. This is what we do. We just chit chat.
• 20:02
  Speaker C: This is why we're so. I'm gay and Dominique wants me here to talk about that.
• 20:07
  Speaker A: So I just. It's so intriguing for not only me, but I'm sure viewers to understand your story. So I really want you to start with coming out because honestly, you're one of the few who I know that was honest from the jump so briefly. Doesn't have to be heavy. I don't need you to bring me to tears. But Just tell me you're coming out story. Like, how did it happen? How did, how did you know? And how did you know that I have to tell my mom and how did she take it? And then like, take me through that story. Bring me back.
• 20:40
  Speaker C: So I'm bringing you back to like 99.
• 20:42
  Speaker A: 90. All right. 99's crazy. How old were you?
• 20:46
  Speaker C: Like two. Okay, so maybe like 2002. I'm gonna bring you down.
• 20:50
  Speaker A: Okay, go.
• 20:50
  Speaker C: 99 actually was so crazy. I was like legit down. Okay. So my first memory of being like, huh, I like boys. You know what I mean? And that's weird to say because, like, I'm a grown adult now, but I'm in the mind of baby Chris or like toddler crest.
• 21:06
  Speaker A: Toddler Chris.
• 21:06
  Speaker C: Yeah. I like boys. So for me, I remember one of my first memories is in kindergarten. Like, how old are you in kindergarten?
• 21:15
  Speaker A: 4.
• 21:16
  Speaker C: And I was young for my age, so I was like three or four maybe. So I just remember like looking at a boy and just being like in my head, like, oh, like I like him. Or I don't know, whatever.
• 21:25
  Speaker A: Like his physical features.
• 21:27
  Speaker C: I was three. I don't know.
• 21:28
  Speaker A: I'm not asking you questions in the three year old mind.
• 21:30
  Speaker C: Okay. Just like similar, like. I know. I like that.
• 21:33
  Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, and which makes sense. Like you just like that.
• 21:36
  Speaker C: Exactly. And how I knew this was because I. How I describe it to people now is like, similar to when your kid might go to school and come home, be like, mommy, I have a girlfriend. Or if you've got a son or a daughter, mommy, I have a boyfriend.
• 21:50
  Speaker A: You always feel like, I have a crush on Samantha in school.
• 21:53
  Speaker C: And they're like five or six. You're like, what do you mean you have a crush? I remember thinking that way for me.
• 21:57
  Speaker A: Got it.
• 21:58
  Speaker C: And knowing it wasn't normal. I want to use the word normal, but even though normal crazy, you could.
• 22:03
  Speaker A: Say that, but, like, that's what you felt. You felt like it wasn't the right thing to be doing.
• 22:06
  Speaker C: Exactly right. So that was probably my first, earliest memory knowing as a kid at that age. What was your next question? Oh, when it was the first person I told or something.
• 22:17
  Speaker A: So that's when you knew, which makes sense. So you had a young age, you kind of just had a feeling like, this is not right. But I do like the way this person looks and it happens to not be a girl.
• 22:25
  Speaker C: Yes. And then.
• 22:26
  Speaker A: So did you come home and say anything to your mom at that age, or did you bottle that in and then kind of progress till you realize, okay, maybe I actually am gay and I like boys.
• 22:35
  Speaker C: Yeah. Well, if I told my mom at, like, five that this was happening, God bless. But no. So the first person I told was my cousin.
• 22:42
  Speaker A: So the one that lives with you?
• 22:44
  Speaker C: No, my other cousin. She actually moved to, like, I was.
• 22:46
  Speaker A: Gonna say first person ever you told?
• 22:48
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 22:49
  Speaker A: How did you bring it up? I need to hear. Do you remember?
• 22:50
  Speaker C: I remember, like, everything. Love it outside my garage. Like, it was, like, summer. I was in sixth grade. I'll never forget it. And I just told her, and I was like, I think I'm bi every time.
• 23:01
  Speaker A: Did you know what bi meant at this point?
• 23:03
  Speaker C: I clearly would have had to, because I said it, you know? But I'm like, maybe I didn't really understand it, but this is every gay person's, like, party trip that comes out back in the day.
• 23:10
  Speaker A: They always say, bye. Like, girls and boys.
• 23:12
  Speaker C: Yeah. They'd always say, like, I think I'm bi because people were afraid to be like, no, I am gay. I like boys and just boys. Right? So I was like, no, I think I'm bi. And my cousin didn't care. She was just like, okay, we were in the same grade.
• 23:23
  Speaker A: Did you believe you? She was like, oh, I think.
• 23:24
  Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. No, she definitely. This is the same kind of.
• 23:26
  Speaker A: Some people are like. Like, parents usually are. Like, I think it's a phase.
• 23:30
  Speaker C: So, yeah, the parents maybe, but like, my cousin. This is the same cousin who we did house, and I was in my mom's high heels. Like, we were playing mommy, daddy.
• 23:36
  Speaker A: Oh, he knew. He was. She was just like, I know she knew.
• 23:38
  Speaker C: You know what I mean? But also, she never judged me. Whatever. So that was the first person I told.
• 23:42
  Speaker A: Sixth grade, okay, that's like an eight. That's like puberty age.
• 23:47
  Speaker C: Yeah. Like, right before, but, like, long enough to know. Like, okay, this is what's going on, you know? And then you want me to talk about telling my mom?
• 23:54
  Speaker A: Yeah. So, like, now you're like, okay, this is real for me.
• 23:57
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker A: This is how I feel now with your and your mom's relationship. Did you feel like this was gonna go well for you? Were you hesitant to tell her? Did you feel nervous? Like, what was your mindset?
• 24:08
  Speaker C: Hesitant? And it's so crazy. Cause all my family and, like, even friends who knew, my mom and me, they were like, oh, my God, tell your mom. She's not gonna care. She definitely has to know. And something in me, I was like, she's, like, not gonna handle it well. Like, she doesn't know, really? Because my mom would always say to me, like, oh, are you dating anyone? She'd always ask, do you have any girlfriends? She wouldn't say boyfriend. She was like, do you have any girlfriends? And I would always say, no. And then I feel like she would ask me, like, one or two times maybe, or, well, a lot of times, like, are you gay?
• 24:39
  Speaker A: Like, she did ask you that.
• 24:41
  Speaker C: I feel like she did.
• 24:41
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 24:42
  Speaker C: Now I'm not remembering, but I feel like she definitely after a certain.
• 24:44
  Speaker A: Would she ask something like that? Like, now that you think she wouldn't.
• 24:46
  Speaker C: Just straight up be like, we're like, are you gay?
• 24:48
  Speaker A: Right.
• 24:48
  Speaker C: But, like, after asking for, like, a couple years, you have a girlfriend? And every time the answer is no, I feel like she might have said, do you like boys? Okay. And then I think I still said no. So how my mom found out, because I technically didn't tell her.
• 25:00
  Speaker A: Oh, tell me the juice.
• 25:02
  Speaker C: And I never told you this either. Waited for the podcast. So my mom technically found out I was dating this guy. I was 20. It was right after New Year's. I'll never forget it. It was like, 2015, 2016.
• 25:14
  Speaker A: So you were dating.
• 25:15
  Speaker C: I was dating a guy. He would come over as my friend. Clearly, this was.
• 25:19
  Speaker A: Oh, you weren't even afraid to have him over.
• 25:21
  Speaker C: Yes and no. I feel like after a certain point, because his family life was so hard, that I was like, I don't even care. Like, mom, this is my friend.
• 25:27
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker C: And my mom didn't address it.
• 25:29
  Speaker A: It's like, I had girlfriends over. Like, my house.
• 25:32
  Speaker C: Like, yeah, but they knew you weren't eating muff pie upstairs.
• 25:38
  Speaker A: Emily's gonna take that and fucking pocket that.
• 25:40
  Speaker C: Season 2 First Episode Muff Pie. Muff pie. So he came over, and then the next day, we, like, fooled around, like, did some stuff. And then the next day, let's essentially just say my mom found something. My friend was also over, though, but she was, like, downstairs. My. One of my girlfriends. Yeah. And not to be confused, girlfriend, Girl who's a friend. So my mom said to me the next day, she's like, I found this. Like, whose was it? Is it you and that guy's? And I could have lied. I remembered. And I was gonna say, I could have said it was just my friend. So I was almost gonna lie and say it was my friends. I was like, enough is enough. Like, I'm just gonna say, like, this was me and my boyfriend, you know, at the time.
• 26:18
  Speaker A: So it's the easiest way out. Just say it.
• 26:20
  Speaker C: Just Say the truth. I was like, 19, 18, 20 at this point. So I told my mom. It was via text. I'll never forget. It was New Year's Day and me and my friend were at Denny's. Why we were at Denny's, I don't know. God bless that we're at Denny's. I told my mom. I came out to my mom at Denny's. Text via text. Came out to my mom at Denny's.
• 26:37
  Speaker A: She was texting you. Hey, I found this thing.
• 26:39
  Speaker C: Yes. And she was like, what is this? Like, you know, my mom is old fashioned Italian. She is. My grandpa's off the boat.
• 26:46
  Speaker A: She, when I met her on FaceTime without formally. She is just like my family.
• 26:52
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 26:52
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker C: Literally.
• 26:53
  Speaker A: So that's like how you grew up. I love that.
• 26:54
  Speaker C: Exactly. So whatever I told her, she was not happy.
• 26:59
  Speaker A: And what did she text you back?
• 27:00
  Speaker C: I forget what she texted me back, but by the time I got home, like, it was not the best. And she wrote me note and she was like, I don't support this, but I will financially support you is literally what she told me.
• 27:10
  Speaker A: Wow.
• 27:11
  Speaker C: And this was 18 or 19. And the backstory is she just had beat stage four pancreatic cancer. That's another episode. We'll get there another day.
• 27:19
  Speaker A: And your father passed.
• 27:20
  Speaker C: Had been passed.
• 27:21
  Speaker A: Had been passed.
• 27:22
  Speaker C: So I was also going through my. What's that word? Like, your teenage years. Like, you're very, like, reformative.
• 27:28
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker A: You're changing. Everything's like, emotions are high. Yeah. I'm a teenager.
• 27:32
  Speaker C: Yeah. So I can only imagine, like, I'll give my mom the benefit of the doubt. Like, I probably was being such like a. Not nice.
• 27:39
  Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, totally.
• 27:40
  Speaker C: You know, and my mom, this is her first time on earth too. Right. So I'm very, like, understanding of it now. Everything is fine. But there were a couple years where, like, it wasn't the best. She went to a therapist for it. But no, it was like a Christian therapist. I was like, you might as well just talk to Amir. Like, why would you go to a Christian therapist?
• 27:57
  Speaker A: Wait, so she wasn't accepting of it. She kind of supported you financially and you had a rough patch for a couple of years.
• 28:06
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah. My aunt got involved.
• 28:09
  Speaker A: And you were never changing. It was like, I'm never going to change who I am, mom. Like, you're gonna have to accept me or. But you never felt that she was going to drop you.
• 28:17
  Speaker C: I never felt that way. But as a kid, what other way do you feel like when you're not gonna Be accepted. Right.
• 28:23
  Speaker A: Because what were the things she would do, like, or just things she would say or. She wouldn't say anything really.
• 28:28
  Speaker C: She would say, like, it wasn't like, what she obviously had planned for her and her kid, you know, that this goes against, like, what she believes in.
• 28:36
  Speaker A: At the time, which is all normal stuff.
• 28:38
  Speaker C: Very normal, total. And she would say, like, she would basically just ask, are you sure? You know, and even my aunt who was supportive of it, she was just like, I just care that you're your mom's sister. My mom's sister, my. The cousin who I.
• 28:53
  Speaker A: There's always an aunt that helps you.
• 28:54
  Speaker C: Always an aunt. The cousin who I told in sixth grade, her mom. So she was always like, as long as you're happy. But even she thought she was like, well, maybe it's just a phase.
• 29:02
  Speaker A: Right.
• 29:03
  Speaker C: But you have to keep in mind this is a different generation. So it was. Yeah, that's a. Kind of some of the things that they would say.
• 29:10
  Speaker A: Okay, so just to go off of and just to close that out of that story. Like, as a mom, I understand where your mom is coming from because you have this plan in your head. Right. Just like my parents did where. Because it's. They don't think off the bat that you can have. Because once you hear what's different from the norm, you're like, okay, grandkids, it's this. That. Right. So your mom's reaction is like, I'm not gonna get any of that. Which is not true. But they're not thinking that because their norm in that generation was how you can have kids.
• 29:43
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker A: Like, that's not a thing anymore.
• 29:44
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker A: So I guess, like, I. I totally understand where your mom's coming from. And I'm speaking for all moms, I feel like. Or I'm just giving advice in that sense. Like, as a mom, I guess I do have a plan for my son because I only have one now. Like, I want him to marry and have kids and do all the things that are traditional. Right. But I feel like I grew up in a open mindset to where I would be more accepting now than. And not to go against your mom. My parents would probably act the same exact way. But I feel like if I was a parent back then, I would totally react like that. I would react differently in the sense, like, I wouldn't want my kid to not feel accepted. So, yeah, behind the scenes, I might be like, okay, like, this is gonna be a change up. It's all good. I don't. I would say this to my husband, I wouldn't want to sit in front of my kid and be like, are you sure? Like. Like, I want to understand. Like, I wanna know, like, what's making you feel this way? Like, what did you see in school? Like, do you see a boy and you feel this? Do you see a girl? You know, like. But it is. It is like a. Just like, it was hard for you to say it. It must feel from a parent's perspective, hard to understand it.
• 30:55
  Speaker C: Well, and I think that makes sense. It does. And I think, like, as. Even as a kid or. I don't want to say kid. I was, like, 20.
• 31:02
  Speaker A: So even at that age, you were, like, pushing adulthood.
• 31:05
  Speaker C: Yeah. I want us to think. And I felt that I was very mature through the process. Like, I knew who I was, so that's why I didn't really give.
• 31:12
  Speaker A: Which I love about you. You're so confident in that part of your life. Seriously, though, it makes a difference.
• 31:18
  Speaker C: But I feel like for that, I. That's why I kind of didn't give my mom the time of day with giving me the other side, because I was like, well, this is who I am, so love it. Like, love it or goodbye.
• 31:27
  Speaker A: Did you ever feel like there was gonna be a light at the end of the tunnel or no?
• 31:30
  Speaker C: Yeah, Like, I feel like it's one of those things. Like, you are my mom, but my whole thing was like, I'm the kid, you're the adult, you're not acting like it.
• 31:38
  Speaker A: Right.
• 31:38
  Speaker C: And that's what I think bothered me the most.
• 31:42
  Speaker A: Right. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 31:43
  Speaker C: I don't know. I just think, like, this is everyone's first point at life, so, like, it's easy to say, like, yeah, she never.
• 31:50
  Speaker A: Knew how to deal with it.
• 31:51
  Speaker C: Exactly. And even for you as a. Like, a mom, like, your kids almost two. Right. You know? So, like, what you feel in 15, 10 years from now is going to be very different than what you feel like in this.
• 32:01
  Speaker A: Correct.
• 32:02
  Speaker C: So it's easier said than done. And that's why I always give my mom grace. But then Chrissy needed the grace back.
• 32:07
  Speaker A: Totally. Which we got to eventually, I was gonna say. So, like, just to wrap. Wrap this segment up, like, what is your relationship with your mom now?
• 32:14
  Speaker C: It's great. Like, my boyfriend obviously, is over everything. It's everything. Like, everything I've ever wanted, you know, I can come over. He can come over. We haven't done the families combining yet, but that's a different story.
• 32:27
  Speaker A: It's hard in same sex. Different sex. Like, the same yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker C: You know, like, figuring out when it's.
• 32:33
  Speaker A: Hard to meet families, but so you feel like you can be totally yourself with your mom in your household. Talk to her, tell her and all the things.
• 32:41
  Speaker C: Well, what's crazy is I could always be myself, like, maybe opening up on this. But I used to do splits in fourth grade. That was with mom watching or not watching.
• 32:48
  Speaker A: Right. I love that.
• 32:49
  Speaker C: Yeah. Which made it so much more confusing. Like, how did you not know?
• 32:52
  Speaker A: Right.
• 32:52
  Speaker C: But, yes, everything now is fine. I've always been myself around my mom. You know what I mean? But now she's accepting of what my life is. Right.
• 32:59
  Speaker A: I love that. That's so good. It must be so hard, though, like, just to.
• 33:03
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker A: You know, even from your perspective, even from your end, it must. Must have been so hard even, like.
• 33:09
  Speaker C: Dealing with that and then dealing with relationship problems. Because the kid I was dating at the time, when my mom found out, his parents were awful with that. They made him go to a priest. Like, oh, shit. We. They took his phone away. So imagine dealing with all of that. And then also you. I couldn't even talk to my boyfriend because his parents had his phone. His friends would give him his phone during lunch. Right. And I would talk to him for, like 45 minutes a day. Right. It was crazy. That's crazy. So going through your parents and that and then just like, relationship ship at, like, a different level of it.
• 33:38
  Speaker A: He's like, you're like. You can't speak to each other. Like, you're being forced apart by your parents.
• 33:43
  Speaker C: Yeah. And then your parents, you can't even talk to them.
• 33:45
  Speaker A: Right.
• 33:45
  Speaker C: It was like a mess.
• 33:46
  Speaker A: Yeah. It's like. It's like. It's like not even. Only with just being gay and coming out. Like, there's other things in life where, like, you just don't want to tell your parents because you're afraid of the reaction productions. Just like that type of. You know what I mean? Well, I give it to you, though. You've been yourself since the jump, and I could tell just by the stories you're telling. So anyway, moving on. So I need to know because obviously Emily asked this question. So, like, before you became like this, like, Prince Charming guy, were you Prince Charming?
• 34:11
  Speaker C: Me?
• 34:11
  Speaker A: Yeah. Kissing frogs.
• 34:12
  Speaker C: Like, you know, stuff like that was just in Disney. So this is great.
• 34:17
  Speaker A: Crazy. So were you ever kissing girls or into girls or maybe experienced or, like, were you ever in your head? Like, maybe I don't like guys. Like, let me try it out. Like, were you ever that side of the spectrum or, no, no, I think.
• 34:30
  Speaker C: Like, for me, I did kiss girls. And also, I went to Catholic school, and God knows they started early.
• 34:35
  Speaker A: Like, fun. You kiss girls, or like, you actually, like, romantically trying to see if you liked it. Like, and tell me detail about that real quick. Like, for real. Did you feel. You actually felt nothing kissing a girl? I need to know the difference.
• 34:48
  Speaker C: Well, it's hard because it's.
• 34:49
  Speaker A: Because I'd rather die than be sexual with a woman.
• 34:51
  Speaker C: Yeah, See, like. But there's, like, so many spectrums. Like, you're like, I'm strictly Dickel.
• 34:55
  Speaker A: You know what I mean?
• 34:56
  Speaker C: And then there's, like, those fluid people. Like, Emily's, like, talking about the three.
• 35:00
  Speaker A: She, like, wants to see me naked. I'm like, not today.
• 35:02
  Speaker C: Yeah. I'm like, that's, like, crazy to me.
• 35:04
  Speaker A: Crazy.
• 35:04
  Speaker C: Like, I'm one side, too. Like, okay, at this point. I know.
• 35:07
  Speaker A: So we're the same.
• 35:08
  Speaker C: But we're the same. Picture this. Like, you're young and you're experimenting. It's the same thing. Like, you're figuring out what you like. So, like, I kind of knew that. Like, because my first kiss was with a girl, so I kind of knew. I was like, okay, this is interesting. Like, But I don't. I guess I didn't know what it's compared to, because at that point, I.
• 35:25
  Speaker A: Didn'T kiss a guy. Right?
• 35:26
  Speaker C: But I think I just knew. Like, I'm like, okay, this isn't, like, fully for me.
• 35:30
  Speaker A: Like, you just, like, you just. It wasn't like. I understand it because I like, if I were to, like, not that, you know, girls kiss girls. Like, you know what I mean? But I'm saying a guy.
• 35:38
  Speaker C: A guy you like versus a guy you don't like.
• 35:40
  Speaker B: Right?
• 35:40
  Speaker C: It's that same type of feeling where.
• 35:42
  Speaker A: You'Re like, that's where I'm going.
• 35:43
  Speaker C: But that's how I felt about the general population.
• 35:45
  Speaker A: Like, I've kissed guys. I'm not into it.
• 35:47
  Speaker C: I'm like, g. Exactly.
• 35:48
  Speaker A: Okay. I like that.
• 35:50
  Speaker C: Something new.
• 35:51
  Speaker A: I like that.
• 35:52
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker A: Okay. I can't.
• 35:55
  Speaker C: Is Michael home with the food?
• 35:57
  Speaker A: No, I know. I'm starving. Wait, me. Me and Emily get so hungry after the podcast. We, like, scoff. My pantry. It's hilarious. Did you have, like, I need to hear also, like, okay, so now that we're into guys, and we've always been into guys since kindergarten. Love that for you. Have you ever had, like, a. Like, so your first date was, like, when you were, like, 20. What was your worst date ever? I'll tell you mine and you tell me yours.
• 36:18
  Speaker C: Yeah. You go first.
• 36:19
  Speaker A: Okay. My worst date ever. This kid stole earrings.
• 36:26
  Speaker C: Wait, let me ask. Is this. If someone said, anyone, what's your worst date ever? This would be your story?
• 36:30
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 36:31
  Speaker C: Okay, Just curious.
• 36:32
  Speaker A: So in college, went on a date, and he bought me earrings. And I didn't know at the time that he stole them.
• 36:41
  Speaker C: Where do you see them from?
• 36:42
  Speaker A: Macy's. Because the cops on my door, okay. Came into my door and said, were.
• 36:51
  Speaker C: They in your ears?
• 36:52
  Speaker A: Huh?
• 36:52
  Speaker C: Were they in your ears, the earrings? And cops, like. And there they are. You like that?
• 36:58
  Speaker A: I was like, I don't know what you're talking about, officer. Yeah, so knocking on my door. I don't think my husband knows this story. I came knocking on my door.
• 37:04
  Speaker C: Your dad had to know the officer also, too.
• 37:06
  Speaker A: No, we were in college, not in hometown. If we were in hometown, they would never knock on my door.
• 37:12
  Speaker C: They would have never. They knew what it knew about me.
• 37:13
  Speaker A: Yeah. Getting collaborative.
• 37:14
  Speaker C: Name?
• 37:14
  Speaker A: Don't knock on the door. Knocked on my door, asked for first name, last name. I said, don't know who that is. I guess. Yeah, I just went on a date with him, and I guess they asked questions. Dating this girl, first date got you. No, like, couple dates in. I think it was like Christmas time. I don't remember the story, but he bought me earrings. Cops were looking for him. He stole them from Macy's. He's on camera. And they showed me the video. I was like, okay, I know who he is. He lives in room 204. Got in trouble. So that was my wor. And it wasn't like the date was the worst, but I guess the guy. Yeah, like, that was like my worst experience because it happened on the day of the date. I guess you were supposed to meet.
• 37:53
  Speaker C: Him again that day.
• 37:54
  Speaker A: Yeah, I was supposed to go on a date with him, and I was dating him at the time, and I was going on a date with him. Going on a date with him. He bought me earrings, happened to steal them from Macy's. They showed me the video before going on date. I was like, okay, I'm not going on this date.
• 38:05
  Speaker C: Oh, they showed you the video?
• 38:06
  Speaker A: Yes, the footage. Do you know this guy? And I was like, no. I'm like, okay, officer, I do know this guy.
• 38:11
  Speaker C: That's actually a cool story.
• 38:12
  Speaker A: That's a crazy story. Like, how do they know where I live? I guess it was just like, whatever, through the grapevine, but. And I guess people, like, ratted on me, but I guess it wasn't like a. I guess it wasn't the date that was bad. So I can tell another story. But I was, like, just a guy that I guess was like.
• 38:27
  Speaker C: Yeah, I feel like I. Oh, my God. I do. Because I was gonna say, I feel.
• 38:31
  Speaker A: Like I have to think.
• 38:32
  Speaker C: Yeah. It was similar to yours where, like.
• 38:34
  Speaker A: I think other people know my stories more than I know my stories. I feel like. Ask a friend. So, like, I have to text Valerie, and I'd be like, what's my worst date I've ever been on? And she would tell me, I feel.
• 38:42
  Speaker C: Like you're gonna think about it. It's gonna hit you, and then you scream it out. Yeah, but. So mine was actually recent. Actually before I met your cousin.
• 38:48
  Speaker A: No.
• 38:49
  Speaker C: And I was just getting back into dating, who we don't speak of. And I went on a date with this kid. And I know the minute I look at someone, if I'm gonna be attracted to them. It's not all about the physical.
• 38:59
  Speaker A: It is.
• 38:59
  Speaker C: I love personality. No, wait, it is for you.
• 39:02
  Speaker A: Oh, I just. Okay, okay. You want to get into my. No, wait.
• 39:05
  Speaker C: No, I don't. I want to get it to me first.
• 39:07
  Speaker A: Lo, wait. It's not about just the physical, but unfortunately, the first thing I see is your physical look. So for me, like, I'm going to be attracted to, or I'm not going to be attracted to you. I'm sorry.
• 39:16
  Speaker C: It's just the way it is sets the tone.
• 39:18
  Speaker A: But I have been into ugly guys who. I like their personality, so whatever goes both ways.
• 39:22
  Speaker C: Yeah, but it's not even the physical. It's more so, like, I could look at you, and I can feel inside if I'm going to like it or not.
• 39:28
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker C: Sexually, I go on a date with this kid. I don't want to give too much details. God, everybody sees us. But I. I go on a date with this guy, the second I see him, I'm like, oh, God, now I have to sit through dinner.
• 39:37
  Speaker A: So you never saw him in front.
• 39:38
  Speaker C: Like, pictures were a little different. I wouldn't say, like, it was too different, but in person, he was very short. I was like, so. And being short's not a problem. God bless God. Disclaimers. My husband's young age. Yeah, your husband's short, but, like, he was like. Like a. Like, frumpy, like. Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker A: Not your type. Not your type. It's okay. It's not your type.
• 39:55
  Speaker C: Thank you. So we get to dinner, and he's telling me crazy stories. He was telling me how we couldn't get out of bed for like a year because he was, like, very, like, beside himself and he stood up. His mom made him stand up and he, like, fell to the ground. He had to go get help. He told me his pee was, like, crystallized because he had no nutrition. I was on the first day eat and talk to.
• 40:13
  Speaker A: I was like, what the hell are you saying? I would have plead. I would have gotten up and left. Chris.
• 40:19
  Speaker C: That's why.
• 40:20
  Speaker A: This is why I'm happily married.
• 40:21
  Speaker C: Because you're lucky.
• 40:22
  Speaker A: Can't date. Husband's here. Oh, husband's brother is here.
• 40:26
  Speaker C: Did he shave? Cause that's not your husband.
• 40:29
  Speaker A: Husband's brother is here. What time is it? Oh, your meeting's in one minute.
• 40:32
  Speaker C: It wait, he's on the meeting too?
• 40:33
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker C: Oh, wow. This is good. All right. I was like, that's not your husband?
• 40:37
  Speaker A: No. Almost said so. Anyway.
• 40:41
  Speaker C: That was my bad date story.
• 40:42
  Speaker A: Oh. I'm so unattracted that I've definitely had a story like that where you just get the ick from somebody. I've absolutely had. So I can't think right now.
• 40:48
  Speaker C: Not even the ick. Imagine someone comes up to you at the bar, and they look at you. You're like, I already know I'm not gonna like you.
• 40:54
  Speaker A: Everybody at the bar, basically.
• 40:55
  Speaker C: Okay, next question. Okay.
• 40:59
  Speaker A: So. Okay.
• 41:02
  Speaker C: Are we staying on track?
• 41:03
  Speaker A: Yeah, we're fine. We could talk as much as we want. This is. This is a season finale.
• 41:07
  Speaker C: Well, you told me you and Emily record for 30 to 45. Yeah, because we've already done 45.
• 41:10
  Speaker A: No, we absolutely have. So let's move it along.
• 41:12
  Speaker C: So.
• 41:14
  Speaker A: A date that ended immediately. You just told me about that. A date that went on too long, like, oh, I mean, I've. I guess I date like juveniles. It's fine. The moment you knew you had to leave, you just told me that the most awkward goodbye. I hate goodbyes. That's why I don't. Did you know I don't like going on dates because I hate saying goodbye.
• 41:30
  Speaker C: The part of goodbye or, like, having to know if they're gonna kiss me on the cheek or when.
• 41:33
  Speaker A: Like, I remember being in Morrison on a date. It's a.
• 41:38
  Speaker C: My date was a more semi hard date.
• 41:39
  Speaker A: Handsome stud.
• 41:42
  Speaker C: Where is he?
• 41:42
  Speaker A: Greek.
• 41:46
  Speaker C: Hi, how are you? In Greek.
• 41:47
  Speaker A: And he. He was such a gentleman and, like, went to go. Kiss me goodbye.
• 41:51
  Speaker C: I need to know his name after this.
• 41:53
  Speaker A: I'll tell you what he. I'll.
• 41:55
  Speaker C: You. I know him.
• 41:57
  Speaker A: You might. I don't want to say. Okay. He used to Own Lethos on in your town. Yeah. In Livingston.
• 42:06
  Speaker C: I don't know. I don't know the owner, but me and your cousin went there for dinner.
• 42:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. He's always been in love with me. We went to school together. He happened to go to Hofstra. Anyway, he, like, went to go kiss me last week, and I wanted to kiss him so bad, and I was. This was like, I. He went. And I just, like. I was so. I'm a. I'm not an awkward person, wouldn't you say? I'm not an awkward person.
• 42:22
  Speaker C: Yeah. Why are you being weird?
• 42:23
  Speaker A: I was being so weird. Yeah. And then I just, like, didn't. And I feel like this is why I just. I was. I was so upset when I left. I was like, why didn't I kiss him? I'm so weird.
• 42:31
  Speaker C: And he went in for a kiss.
• 42:32
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker C: Yeah. That's a you problem.
• 42:34
  Speaker A: That is a me problem. I'm not weird. I'm not into him, and I'm not a weirdo.
• 42:38
  Speaker C: No, you're not. But I could. I don't know.
• 42:40
  Speaker A: Because I don't like goodbyes.
• 42:41
  Speaker C: Well, we don't talk sexual. Because, again, I'm.
• 42:43
  Speaker A: We will, though. Hi. Honestly. Recording. Baby's not asleep. You're late to your meeting. I have a zoo in my house.
• 42:50
  Speaker C: You really do.
• 42:51
  Speaker A: Holy shit.
• 42:52
  Speaker C: I didn't know this was going on behind the scenes while you and Emily are here, like, just shooting the shit.
• 42:55
  Speaker A: Yeah, like, everyone. Leave me alone. I'm trying to do my job, mama. I just want to hit all. All the notes. I don't want to forget. Like. So when you were going on dates and stuff, were you on dating apps? Oh, like, what was it called? Grindr.
• 43:06
  Speaker C: Grind. Well, Grindr is one of them. Grinder, Tinder, Hinge. That's really it.
• 43:10
  Speaker A: Is that where you met everybody or we, like, go to a nightclub?
• 43:14
  Speaker C: Was going to nightclubs, but not really.
• 43:15
  Speaker A: Like, you.
• 43:17
  Speaker C: Gay clubs. Why gay clubs? Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah, they're fun. You need to go there. I'll take.
• 43:24
  Speaker A: I didn't grow up with a gay best friend.
• 43:25
  Speaker C: You should have everyone now.
• 43:26
  Speaker A: I have one.
• 43:27
  Speaker C: I. Oh, I think everyone needs, like, gay best friend.
• 43:30
  Speaker A: Totally.
• 43:31
  Speaker C: I hate the stereotype gay best friend. Cuz, like, I'm not like, your gay best friend.
• 43:35
  Speaker A: You're not a diva.
• 43:36
  Speaker C: Thank God.
• 43:36
  Speaker A: Cuz I can't stand diva. Listen, I'm sorry. It's just, like, I'm a diva. I can't have a diva as a friend.
• 43:41
  Speaker C: Exactly. But, no, I was on the apps. I feel like, again, for gay people. When you need to remember, like, you guys, everywhere you went, there were straight people. You didn't need a dating app.
• 43:51
  Speaker A: Right.
• 43:52
  Speaker C: When I was growing up.
• 43:53
  Speaker A: You have to like, go to certain.
• 43:54
  Speaker C: Kind of like, sniff him out. Because not everyone was like, loud and proud.
• 43:57
  Speaker A: Like, have you ever been out somewhere you thought someone was gay and they're not that. And you're like, you're lying. But whatever.
• 44:03
  Speaker C: Yes and no. Because I might, like, know they're actually dating. App. Yeah. Like for instance, I don't know if I would know. Like, if your husband came out a year later and everyone's like, chris, did you ever know? I would have said no. So I don't know if I got.
• 44:13
  Speaker A: A gator like that, I feel like.
• 44:15
  Speaker C: But I definitely could tell if someone's like a little.
• 44:19
  Speaker A: You can.
• 44:20
  Speaker C: I can sniff him.
• 44:21
  Speaker A: Are you reading me?
• 44:23
  Speaker C: You're dead. No magic. No. But I could wait. Oh, do you think someone's gay?
• 44:27
  Speaker A: I think.
• 44:28
  Speaker C: And you want me to sniff him out?
• 44:29
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 44:29
  Speaker C: Is it the only our thought? Can you whisper it who it is?
• 44:35
  Speaker A: No, we're not going to go there.
• 44:37
  Speaker C: You've lost your mind now. You've lost it.
• 44:39
  Speaker A: You think.
• 44:40
  Speaker C: And guess what? It's not the owner of Lethal.
• 44:43
  Speaker A: Lethals. Okay.
• 44:44
  Speaker C: We need a sponsorship.
• 44:45
  Speaker A: We do.
• 44:46
  Speaker C: We not a co host. Guest.
• 44:51
  Speaker A: Okay, so do you want to play a game or do you want to go into, like, seriousness of like starting a family Surrogacy, ivf.
• 45:00
  Speaker C: What do you think? Do you want to do serious then game or game then? Serious. I guess they can go in whatever order we want.
• 45:05
  Speaker A: Let's just play a game.
• 45:06
  Speaker C: All right, let's do a game. Baby's up.
• 45:08
  Speaker A: Baby never slept. Okay, we're going into first game, but I want to go into serious note. I know this is going to be. My husband's going to come. It's going to be a long episode, but it is what it is.
• 45:17
  Speaker C: We're trying.
• 45:17
  Speaker A: My husband has off for Christmas, so he's going to be doing that on the clock. So anyway, this game, we're going to do a game. Chris is going to be the guesser and obviously co host. Not here. So I'm going to be the judge of the chaos. So I'm going to read a card, you're going to answer immediately. It's either going to be one of three.
• 45:35
  Speaker C: All right.
• 45:36
  Speaker A: Gay space kids space or both.
• 45:38
  Speaker C: Gay space kids.
• 45:40
  Speaker A: Okay. So let's just get into it. Okay.
• 45:43
  Speaker C: You ready?
• 45:44
  Speaker A: I'm going to read off the card.
• 45:45
  Speaker C: You wrote these all down?
• 45:46
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker C: Oh, I love that.
• 45:47
  Speaker A: The Torch Driver. Oh, no. This is the wrong game. This is why Emily does the games, because I can't.
• 45:59
  Speaker C: Great.
• 46:00
  Speaker A: Now we're gonna. We're gonna play a game, and you're gonna answer. I'm gonna be the judge of the chaos.
• 46:08
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 46:09
  Speaker A: And I'm gonna read you a name, and you're gonna tell me if it's a name of a gay bar or if it's a car.
• 46:14
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 46:18
  Speaker A: Okay. You ready?
• 46:19
  Speaker C: Like a BMW. No. Kids. No.
• 46:24
  Speaker A: Like a kid's car. Like, yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker C: My thing is. Is like. Like one of those, like, little toy.
• 46:30
  Speaker A: Yeah, like a toy car.
• 46:31
  Speaker C: Like a car.
• 46:31
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like a brand name. Goosey. Goosey.
• 46:34
  Speaker B: Kids.
• 46:34
  Speaker A: Gar.
• 46:34
  Speaker C: Name.
• 46:35
  Speaker A: Okay, here we go. The Torch Driver. Gay Bar.
• 46:40
  Speaker C: Are these gay bars in New York?
• 46:41
  Speaker A: Just gay gay bar.
• 46:43
  Speaker C: Or I'm gonna say kids. Car.
• 46:46
  Speaker A: You're correcto. Moving on.
• 46:50
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 46:51
  Speaker A: The Raptor.
• 46:53
  Speaker C: Oh. Car. Ford Raptor. I'm good with cars, FYI.
• 46:57
  Speaker A: You are? Because you're a man.
• 46:59
  Speaker C: Exactly. We're losing it. The Cubby Hole Gay Bar.
• 47:04
  Speaker A: Wow. Is it actually a gay bar?
• 47:06
  Speaker C: And that's a lesbian gay bar.
• 47:08
  Speaker A: Wow. That's why Emily knew it.
• 47:10
  Speaker C: No. Literally. Emily, we love you.
• 47:13
  Speaker A: The Rocket Car. That's correct.
• 47:18
  Speaker C: Mega round. Come on.
• 47:19
  Speaker A: The whip.
• 47:21
  Speaker C: Mmm. I'm gonna say car. Gay bar. I have to go there.
• 47:29
  Speaker A: Little Bear.
• 47:30
  Speaker C: That's hard. Gay bar.
• 47:32
  Speaker A: No.
• 47:32
  Speaker C: What is it?
• 47:33
  Speaker A: A gay bar?
• 47:34
  Speaker C: It's a car called Little Bear.
• 47:36
  Speaker A: Look it up, baby.
• 47:37
  Speaker C: I know bears could drive, but whatever.
• 47:39
  Speaker A: The Beaver.
• 47:44
  Speaker C: Oh, I'm guessing myself.
• 47:47
  Speaker A: You haven't been. You were doing so good. Now you are not.
• 47:49
  Speaker C: Beaver sounds lesbian, though. So maybe that's why I haven't been. Because I'm not eating again. Muff pie. Come on.
• 47:55
  Speaker A: The Eagle.
• 47:56
  Speaker C: Oh. I can tell you stories about this place. Gay bar.
• 48:00
  Speaker A: You've been.
• 48:01
  Speaker C: It's one of those. I. I don't even know if I could say this. It's one of those bar. Let's just say this, where anything good. Anything, Anything, anything, anything, Anything goes.
• 48:12
  Speaker A: My friend Chris here has a voice, and we're gonna make him sing when we're done. The Bumblebee.
• 48:17
  Speaker C: Mm. Car. Yeah. Bumblebee Beetle. Right. The Viper Gay Bar.
• 48:22
  Speaker A: How do you know? You bend.
• 48:24
  Speaker C: The Viper, also I think is a Dodge, so that's a multifaceted one. Good job, Emily. You tricked me. The Beast Gay Bar.
• 48:32
  Speaker A: Mm.
• 48:34
  Speaker C: Why are you making direct eye contact with me like this? We'll talk later, okay.
• 48:38
  Speaker A: The Torpedo Car.
• 48:41
  Speaker C: Wait. Why are you looking at me like this? This is scary.
• 48:44
  Speaker A: Last one. The white swallow.
• 48:46
  Speaker C: Oh, God, I'm. Oh, I hope Gay bar. Okay.
• 48:51
  Speaker A: I hope you did so good. Very good.
• 48:55
  Speaker C: I should have made you did that. I know you've never been able.
• 48:58
  Speaker A: No, I would have never known. Are you kidding her? Maybe once or twice.
• 49:02
  Speaker C: Okay. Just curious.
• 49:03
  Speaker A: Okay, now that we did that, that was all fun and games, but I really want to get into something serious because I know that you want to have kids.
• 49:08
  Speaker C: Yeah. Amen.
• 49:09
  Speaker A: And do we want to go in the route of cousin also wants to have kids? You want to talk collectively, you want to talk individual.
• 49:16
  Speaker C: Let's talk me. And they'll put the math together that it's collective, hopefully.
• 49:22
  Speaker A: Okay. So I know that you want a family, and I know, like, I just want to know, like, what family looks like to. Looks like to you. Like, did you. Did you always want to get married with kids? What changed? With what age, like, were you, like, I never want to get married with kids. I know it's not going to be easy for me. I know it's going to be easy for me. What kind of parent would you want to be? Like, let's dive in, because I know, unfortunately, it's a little bit more difficult for you because you're a guy, and a guy, you can't just canoodle and have a baby.
• 49:49
  Speaker C: Like, I. Yeah, like, you're. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker A: So tell me what that looks like. You want a kid and you want to get married. So who is wifey and who is a hubby?
• 50:01
  Speaker C: Lot of questions. So definitely want to have a family. Always wanted to have kids. It wasn't something like, when I was younger, I was like, oh, my God, I. I need to be a dad. Like, I can't wait to have kids, but I feel like I want kids.
• 50:13
  Speaker A: You are so good with kids, especially my dad.
• 50:15
  Speaker C: I love your son. And I definitely also, like, need to see what I would be like in something else, because I got it now. And it honestly, it's special, the fact that men and like, you and your husband, like, for straight people, that it is literally like you in something. I feel like that's just like love personified, like they say. So I don't know that you didn't ask this question, but it does kind of bother me that, like, we can't mix our, you know, sperms together. That'd be so cool.
• 50:43
  Speaker A: I know.
• 50:43
  Speaker C: Perfect world.
• 50:44
  Speaker A: You want your genetics with your boyfriend's genetics.
• 50:46
  Speaker C: Yeah, I would love to do that.
• 50:47
  Speaker A: But you can also do a fan. Like, your Genetics with one of his family members or vice versa. You know what I mean?
• 50:52
  Speaker C: You could, I think not the same, not the same. Just cuz it's not that annoy.
• 50:56
  Speaker A: But like that's just like you physically can't do that.
• 50:59
  Speaker C: You can't do it. I think down the road, down the road, find AI Chat Chat will find a way to combine sperms. But I will say, I know for me, I want to have a kid and if me and my boyfriend are still together when that time comes, he would want one. So we've already kind of said like it'd be cool if like you know, we did one each or something and this could go like universal.
• 51:21
  Speaker A: Quick question before I interrupt you. Does your mom like, does it feel better that when your mom found out that you want to be married with kids, like is that a stepping stone or did it matter?
• 51:31
  Speaker C: I think for her different is more so just different. Like, you know what I mean?
• 51:35
  Speaker A: Yeah. I'm just asking for the viewers.
• 51:37
  Speaker C: Oh, okay. I'm happy they're phoning in during our live conference. But no, so, so I think for what we would do, Neil Patrick Harris did this actually, which I think is cool. You know, one sperm each from the dad and then they. Oh, so you can have surrogate.
• 51:51
  Speaker A: Wait, I love that. So one from your sperm, one from boyfriend's sperm. I love that. So you both have the same egg.
• 51:57
  Speaker C: Yeah. So one the same surrogate.
• 51:59
  Speaker A: Wait, that's so smart.
• 52:00
  Speaker C: It is. They're not like full siblings. Obviously you can raise them as full siblings are siblings. Amen. That's beautiful. But they're going to be biologically have siblings.
• 52:08
  Speaker A: Right? I love that. That is such a good idea.
• 52:10
  Speaker C: So if I were to do that with whoever I was with, that's what I would do.
• 52:13
  Speaker A: I love that. What a good idea. I just feel like so going off of that. Do you feel like traditions look different for you?
• 52:20
  Speaker C: I hope they don't. Like I was raised very traditionally. Mom, dad, holidays, we kind of grew up more on my mom's side of the family, which is like more the Italian side. And I want it to be like traditional. I'm trying to think what would make it not traditional. But I guess in this day and age, people are doing a lot of things.
• 52:36
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like I don't know. I don't even know. Honestly, I don't know why I asked that question. Just feel like like tradition.
• 52:41
  Speaker C: You and Emily, your kids, your family.
• 52:42
  Speaker A: Right, right. Like what should. Like what's like. Because I just feel like they always say right like, the family goes to the mom's side or like, what? I don't even know what tradition would be, like, holidays. Like, how do you choose holidays with your boyfriend? Like, it's like, clearly you both have good relationships, so it's like. Yeah, I know this is going to sound like, not like. Not like a feminist, but I just. Just more so, like, mom vibe. Like, I always feel like if I said to Michael, we're going to mom's side, he wouldn't fight me on that because it's like you kind of wifey. Mom says. Does that make sense?
• 53:14
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker A: You know what I'm trying to say? Like, mom's in charge.
• 53:17
  Speaker C: Yeah. I feel like you're kind of asking, like, who wears the pants.
• 53:19
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 53:19
  Speaker C: Without saying.
• 53:20
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker C: But I feel like, for me, I'm a very assertive person, and I want to be with.
• 53:27
  Speaker A: You're a realist. Yeah.
• 53:29
  Speaker C: I want to be with someone who can, like, hear my frustrations, hear my assertiveness, and, like, calm me down, which I honestly feel like Michael does for you, too.
• 53:35
  Speaker A: Totally.
• 53:36
  Speaker C: But so you also bring me back.
• 53:38
  Speaker A: In a little bit.
• 53:39
  Speaker C: That's important. I think we're equal, me and my partner.
• 53:42
  Speaker A: And I think so, too. If you want my advice. Opinion, which you didn't ask for. I didn't ask, but not. Not to get, like, soft or anything, but I just feel like obviously you see yourself raising kids, and so because of your situation, and I love what you're gonna do once you do proceed into that part of your life. Do you think raising kids would be different for you or.
• 54:03
  Speaker C: No? Different in what sense?
• 54:05
  Speaker A: Like, meaning, like, harder. Yeah. Correct.
• 54:08
  Speaker C: I mean, yes, I definitely do. Cause even for.
• 54:11
  Speaker A: Who do you think it'll be harder for you or your kids?
• 54:14
  Speaker C: I feel like us.
• 54:16
  Speaker A: Because we're gonna know.
• 54:17
  Speaker C: Right. And I feel like I. Even already, as a gay person, like, I look at other. If I do see a mommy and mommy in public or daddy and daddy even in my head, I'm like, oh, wow, that's so interesting because, like, you don't see this a lot.
• 54:26
  Speaker A: I mean, one of Michael's employees, like, has two moms. She's always grew up with two moms. And I'm so interested in her life, and I love her to death.
• 54:31
  Speaker C: Yeah, she's great.
• 54:32
  Speaker A: Like, I think she just.
• 54:33
  Speaker C: She's.
• 54:34
  Speaker A: She just, like.
• 54:35
  Speaker C: I don't know.
• 54:35
  Speaker A: They're just so open. They're just so, like, just open and honest about their life. And I just feel like I. I think it's because she just grew up in a different household. Different household. Not the right. And I just feel like it made her who she is.
• 54:48
  Speaker C: It toes the line. Because it's like, yes, we're daddy and Daddy. Everything's normal. Like, this is normal.
• 54:53
  Speaker A: Would you be called daddy and Daddy?
• 54:54
  Speaker C: Let's not get into specifics. I don't know. But it's also like. But it is different.
• 54:59
  Speaker A: Yeah. And that's why I'm asking.
• 55:01
  Speaker C: But it's like, how do you address.
• 55:02
  Speaker A: Different is not a bad word. Can we approach that? It's not a bad.
• 55:05
  Speaker C: Wait, why? As if I came up with the word different. What I'm trying to say is, like, different is different, but that doesn't make it not normal.
• 55:11
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 55:11
  Speaker C: So it's hard because it's like, this.
• 55:13
  Speaker A: Isn'T technically normal, but it's not a bad thing.
• 55:15
  Speaker C: Exactly. So. But I think it'd be harder for the parents.
• 55:19
  Speaker A: I agree. I totally agree. What's the biggest misconception moms have about gay parents?
• 55:23
  Speaker C: Well, should we ask you the question of, like, how would you feel if, like, my parents. School. No, in your school, like, Gio had a friend whose parents were.
• 55:31
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, let's get into it. I feel like we wanted to talk about that a little bit. Like, because we were talking about a little bit about bullying. Right. Like, I am so against that and what I'm about to say, like. And I've talked to you about this many times, Like, I am not against Mommy, mommy, daddy, Daddy. I love that family's family. Like, if you just grow up in a good environment, who the gives a. If you're Mommy, mommy, daddy, Daddy. But my problem is, at the age of four, my son's teacher shouldn't be reading them a book about mommy, mommy. Because at the age of four, my son has no idea that should be taught in my household. I do believe that I want to be teaching my kid something that's never been an education system. Like, I can't explain it. Like, what I'm trying to say is I just. I just feel like I want to be able to introduce something to my kid at an age that he understands because he's coming home into my household where we're mommy, we're mommy and daddy, Right? So at the age of three or four, he's going into school and he's learning about mommy money. He comes home and he's like, I'll afford to teach him that lesson. Right. But I don't. I mean, kids have an imagination. Like, I don't want him to Think where he's coming in is wrong, right? And then I gotta sit him down like, we're mommy, Daddy. And they're like, I don't think that's the correct, correct appropriate age to be teaching something like that.
• 56:47
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 56:48
  Speaker A: Does that make sense? Like, I feel like I want to be able to set the tone before it's taught. Like, hey, you live in a house with mom, Daddy, right? But your friend Samantha lives in a house with mommy Mommy. And that's because her mommy likes this. Like, it's just like a conversation you shouldn't be having at the age of four, let alone someone else in a education system. Teaching my son that, it opens, like.
• 57:10
  Speaker C: A lot of doors for conversation. And it also begs the question of, well, when is the age?
• 57:16
  Speaker A: Yeah, you're right.
• 57:16
  Speaker C: What do I know what I'm thinking? Which is so weird that I'm thinking this, but like, for instance, the live action Little Mermaid versus the old school Little Mermaid, right? 1990 Little Mermaid was white. The new live action, she's black. So even in Disney. And I was just there, so I can speak to this. Like, there is a live action Little Mermaid who is a person of color versus the original, I guess, Little Mermaid from the 90s. That's one white. So, like, that also is a question too. But like, if your kid could understand that white is white and black is black, but they're the same. You know what I mean? Because a kid would be like, well, she. He does. She doesn't look like the woman I just saw. Right? What age could they understand that?
• 57:56
  Speaker A: Right?
• 57:57
  Speaker C: So it's a really interesting conversation.
• 57:58
  Speaker A: I just think I'm, like, taking it personal. Like, I just want.
• 58:01
  Speaker C: You want to be in charge of the conversation?
• 58:02
  Speaker A: I want to be in charge of the conversation. That's it. Like, I just, like, I just feel like, you know, I don't want things to get confused. And I. But I also would want to approach that conversation in a way like, like, where bullying doesn't come into play. Because you do live in a house with, like, I don't. I don't know how they're teaching it, but I'm saying, like, then I feel like bullying comes into play. Well, you have a mommy mommy, and I have a mommy daddy. You're weird. So maybe I guess teaching that does make a little bit sense. So that doesn't happen. But I also feel like, I don't know, I could go both ways, right? Ex.
• 58:33
  Speaker C: That's why it's such a hard conversation. But I think even, like, speaking about it and like, being like, as a parent, recognizing there's going to be mommy, mommy, there's going to be daddy more often now. Right, Exactly.
• 58:43
  Speaker A: Like, do you feel like you were. Were at that age? Were you bullied by.
• 58:48
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker A: You were. Because of, like, really?
• 58:51
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker A: Don't even tell me that. I'll be upset.
• 58:54
  Speaker C: No.
• 58:54
  Speaker A: You know, throughout, like, older years too.
• 58:56
  Speaker C: No, no, no.
• 58:57
  Speaker A: You put them in their place.
• 58:58
  Speaker C: It stopped. I would say, like, so you feel.
• 59:00
  Speaker A: Like you were put in a certain category.
• 59:02
  Speaker C: 100. I was definite. And my voice used to be a lot higher. I used to be much more flamboyant. And not saying that's a bad thing if your voice is still higher, flamboyant. But this is my story and I was bullied probably from like, early as I can remember to, like, up until like, sixth, seventh grade.
• 59:18
  Speaker A: In what way? Like, give me an example real quick.
• 59:20
  Speaker C: You're a princess. Your voice is high. Calling me like a faggot. Like, you're gay. And I used to not be as outspoken as I was now. So I would, like, just like, sit and listen.
• 59:29
  Speaker A: Like, this is why parents not. Are not accepting of it because they just know what people are going to do, which is also not. Is not right.
• 59:35
  Speaker C: That's something my mom said too. She was like, I knew it would just be a much harder life for you.
• 59:39
  Speaker A: Yeah. Which she's not.
• 59:40
  Speaker C: And that I. Gray.
• 59:41
  Speaker A: I totally agree.
• 59:42
  Speaker C: Why would I choose to make my life harder, you know? But yeah, so, no, I was definitely bullied.
• 59:48
  Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, my God, that makes me sick.
• 59:49
  Speaker C: But yeah, this. I mean, that's why it's sad for kids. But now it's much more normalized. Like, totally. You see gay on tv. Like, you open an app every. Oh, my God.
• 59:57
  Speaker A: It's every. Every show there's a gay couple.
• 59:59
  Speaker C: So it's like now. And I get it, like, people might be like, this is so oversaturated, but think about the kid who grew up in the 90s, the 2000s. Everything they saw was boy and girl.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker A: Correct.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker C: So they were like, no rep. It's. It sounds dramatic, but it isn't. Because there was no rep. Resentation totally.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker A: Of the right or wrong way. It was just like, this is what I said to Emma. I'm like, you only know one way. So it's not like I grew up knowing one way. So it's like, I don't think it's wrong, but I didn't.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker C: I didn't.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker A: I don't know any better.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker C: Yeah. And it's not your fault. And guess what? It's not my fault. You know what I mean? Pictured.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker A: Nothing's ever your fault.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker C: Thank you.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker A: No representation. What were you saying?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker C: I was getting somewhere.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker A: Yeah, you were getting somewhere.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker C: I was gonna say there's no representation growing up in your real life. And then you turn on the tv, and if there is representation, the person playing the gay kid's like, a freak.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker A: And also, it's like, it makes you feel like you're wrong because you don't see it anywhere.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker C: Exactly.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker C: That's why I was like. I think as a parent, you just need to, like, reassure your kids. Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker A: Like, that's where I'm gonna go next. I just feel like raising kids as it. Like having a gay son or. Or gay daughter. Like, I. I just.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker C: Or anything under that umbrella.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker A: Anything under that umbrella. There's so many things under that. U. Like, I just feel like, what is your biggest fear? Like, what is. What is the biggest, like, hopes? And I feel like, for me, it would be children, right? It would be like, because. Because not that you can't have children, but you can't have children the way God made us to have children. Do you know what I mean? Like, meaning a vagina and a peach Khalil. Peach Khalil. Like, that is how you have kids, right? And not saying that's the traditional way. So that would be, like, my first, like, fear. Because it is much harder. Harder to not do it. It's hard to have kids in general. Imagine, like, not doing it the natural way. I should say, like, handling questions from other kids. Like, I'm gonna ask. Answer questions from people now. Like, now you gotta be, you know, interrogated because you are, you know, not what.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker C: It's different from the norm. I think it's the easiest way to put it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker A: And I just feel like, what. Like, what would be. I want to ask, like, your mom or any mom in that sense who has a gift, a son or woman. I just feel like, what. What would you actually can ask you. What would you wish if you had, like, a perfect world in, like, a household? Like, what would you wish your mom or dad at the time, if he was alive, like, said to you to make your life easier?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker C: I mean, I think it's pretty straightforward. Like, just like. Like, who you are, who you are. Like, who cares? Like, I love you. Like, for me, me, it didn't need to be a big thing, you know, like, this is who I am. Cool. I accept you done. I don't need, like, a pride party to make me know I'm like, accepted. Like, I know I'm accepted. You know. Right. But I think as a parent, like, you obviously can assess what your kid will need versus not need. But I think as long as you're just saying, like, you are who you are and that's fine. Literally, that'll. That's the.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker A: Let's find your way out. Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker A: That's easy enough. That's easy enough.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker C: Like, I love you. Nothing changes. Changes.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker A: I love you for who you are. It's so simple.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker C: So simple.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker A: I love that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker C: Wait, what is the. Off the shoulder.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker A: I just want to show my shoulders.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker C: I wish, like, I could, like, do something.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker A: Well, take off your jacket.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker C: No, my shirt underneath is like. It, like, says stuff on it.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. It's okay.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker C: Like, this is not from Key West. There's a naked woman on the back. We don't need to show that.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker A: Nope. Okay. So want to play a game real quick?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker A: Okay. This game is the game that consists of three things. You're going to tell me if it's gay space, kids space. Or both.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker C: Kid space. Like mama's playground in Westfield. Okay.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker A: Or like, you'll see.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker C: Will I?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker C: Okay. Kid space. Gay space. Or both.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker A: Okay. Ball pit.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker C: Kid space. Wait, Honestly. Both.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker A: I know. So there's no right answer. You could just tell me what you think.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker A: The snack table.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker C: Kid space.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker A: The dress up area.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker A: The bounce area.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker C: Her. Both. That sounds like a sex position.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker A: I know. The juice box.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker C: Both. Lesbians. Lesbians. Lesbians. Juice box.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker A: Theme night.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker A: The costume closet.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker A: The nap room.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker C: Kids.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker A: The foam party.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker C: Honestly, Both. Because kids got foam.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker A: The leash.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker C: Excuse me?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker A: Like a leash.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker C: Like a dog leash.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker A: Like, forget.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker C: Well, they leash kids.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker A: I know.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker C: Mom, if you're listening, cut the leash. Your baby is not a Doberman.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker A: T on a leash. Her whole. His whole time. Because she's tea.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker C: Oh, little T on an actual leash. Yeah. Both.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker A: The harness.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker A: Bottle service.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker C: Both. Because, like, you give the kid the bottle if you want to call. Bottle service.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker A: The play pen.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker A: The juice spill.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker C: Lot of juice. Both lesbians. Emily.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker A: The after party.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker C: Gay. Gays. Okay, wait, what was it? Gays. Gay space.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker A: Glitter. Both crying in the bathroom.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker C: Both. I don't cry though.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker A: The group text.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker C: Oh, gays. What are you saying?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker A: I don't know. I don't understand that one.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker C: Yeah. Kids are kids texting.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker A: I know.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker C: When are you going to get geophone? Rapid question.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker A: 13 years old.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker C: Okay, cool.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker A: Matching outfits.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker A: Bathroom line.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker C: Both.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker A: The floor is sticky.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker C: Ew. Both because that. The bars are sticky.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker A: Emily did this Game.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker C: Not me.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker A: I'm not even going to say the next one. The quiet corner.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker C: Both. Okay.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker A: You did so good. Good job.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker C: There was no right answer, right? No.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker A: Just say whatever the hell you got.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker C: All right, cool.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker A: That was such a fun game. Chris, thanks for coming. We're both starving.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker C: No, I'm starving. I can't. You can't even function like CEO.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker A: Okay, so. For real, though?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker A: One thing you wish parents knew about.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker C: Do you want to be a little more specific?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker A: Like, quick hitter questions? Like, one thing you wish parents knew. Being gay. Like, one thing parents wish parents know.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker C: As similar as it is to your first time being a parent, your first time living on this earth, it's also your kid's first time living and figuring themselves out. So love that. I am a big believer in, like, put yourself in their shoes. So, like, if you think your kid's upset and, like, you're like, oh, maybe that conversation didn't go right. Maybe they're leaving feeling like, I didn't do the best I could, then do the best you could. Right. Because we're. It's all of our first times, but just be there in the best way you can.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker A: That is. I should just end the fucking podcast on that and never come back. Mic drop.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker C: And now you guys know why I was invited on. Okay.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker A: One thing kids should learn early.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker C: This is going to be studied by a psychiatrist. We're both going to be locked up. What?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker A: One thing kids should learn earlier. Kids? Yeah. Like, one thing. Like, we just talked about. Kids should be learning about my mom before.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker C: You know what?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker A: Tell me. Legs on quartz.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker C: I'm not a parent.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker A: What, you think this is great? You're knocking over my table.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker C: No, it's okay. I'm not a parent. But one thing I've noticed is that kids shouldn't always get their way. And I don't know if this. This is science behind it, but I love that. I feel like there is some correlation between, like, a kid who. Their parents will drop everything if, like, they're whining because they want to go to the Disney Store, but maybe it was daddy's time to go to Urban or something. I don't know.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker C: And they compromise and do what the kid wants. We're teaching the kids that they get whatever they want. Again, I don't know if that's real.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker A: I'm not about that life, though. I don't. I just. I mean, sometimes you just have to. If they're having a mental breakdown, yes. But that's why. That's why kids Are the way they are sometimes because of that.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker C: Exactly. Yeah. So I think. What was the question?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker A: One thing kids should learn earlier.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker C: I think they need to learn. It's not always their way. Like how we have to learned. It's. It's your way or the highway or whatever. It's not that.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker C: And then two, in the realm of, like, differences, I feel like kids should just know that there's other things in this world besides them.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker A: Correct.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker C: You know, like, people who look different, sound different, act different.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker A: But that's where it comes from, though.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker C: Are we taking our legs off the table? Yeah. Okay.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker A: I couldn't see you. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. So I have to ask you one thing. I just thought about this. Like, what's a moment you felt proud? Like, maybe you stuck up for somebody who's gay or somebody with their parents. Like, what was the one moment that you could think of right off the bat? Like a quick little. Little that you felt proud even with yourself. Like, I'm so. I honestly am sitting here so proud that you went through your whole life and, like, just stuck to your guns. Like, I'm not changing who I am. I'm not trying to be someone else. Like, this is who I am and you're gonna love me and that's why people love you.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker C: Aw, Dom. Mic drop. I don't know, like, speaking. I don't know a moment I was proud of myself, I think, just in general, like you said, like, I feel like it's an easy answer, but honestly, just being unapologetically me. Yeah, I think I agree. Is one of the most things I could be proud of.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker A: I totally agree. What about a moment you felt misunderstood?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker C: I think maybe like with my family, like, when I was trying to figure my shit out and they were also trying to figure it out and they were like, basically asking me, are you sure? It's like picture, like, if you told someone, like, I want to have a baby and they're like, are you sure? Yeah, I've already done so much research. Like, that might be not the best comparison. But like, things like kind of.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker A: I understand what you're saying.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker C: Second guess who you are.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, what do you mean?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker C: I think, yeah, like, you're not even second guessing. Like, oh, you sure you want to wear that? You're sex and guessing who I am as a person, that's not fun. Right?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker A: Okay, so that advice to a mom who wants to say it right. But is scared.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker C: Be scared. Be. I think the biggest thing is just be honest. Like, if your Kid is like, just.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker A: Be like, I don't know how to handle this.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know what the right words are. I think, like, even fighting with, like, your boyfriend, girlfriend, whoever, just communicate. Maybe your kid's like 12 and they told you so you really can't level with them on a conversation.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker A: It's like, at what age? Like, what if I son comes to me at a young age, he's like, I'm your adult. Like, you're not an adult yet. What do you know? Like, I would kind of be that way in some sense.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker C: I think that's only right to feel like that because you're 12 years old. I want to be a doctor. No, you don't. And then you're not doing that. Right. I think that, like, if it depends on what age they are, but I think the best thing you can do is just be honest and be like, point blank, I'll always love you no matter what.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker A: No. I feel like power's just.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker C: No. Yeah. Like, just make the child feel heard. And then, like, do the best you can at whatever age. They're coming to you. Because again, if they're eight and they're saying this because again, it's different now. So I don't really know the best words, but all I could say is help them, support them. I think it's okay to say, honey, you're eight. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker A: Right? You don't know. What if he's like, mom, I want this. Baby, I want this. I want dolls for Christmas. Like, I would be like, okay, you can have dolls for Christmas.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker C: I honestly think that's fine. I think we need to, like, get away from this. Creates that.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker A: Yeah, right, right, right.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker C: But I play with Barbie. Doesn't mean you want to be Barbie.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker C: I played Sonic. Not here. Dressed as a little. What was he? Beaver. Oh, a jock. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker A: Okay, so, Chris, were moms raising kids in a world where gender identity and sexuality are talked about way more openly than we were as kids?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker C: Is this the hard hitting question? Okay, sounds like that.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker A: If one of our kids ever turns out to be gay or anywhere on the LGBTQ + spectrum, what should moms actually know? What truly matters? And what do parents. Over.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker C: I'm gonna start with overthink, I think, because even I feel this way as a gay person. I think they overthink how much they need to know. Like, they need to read articles, they gotta go see a drag show, they need to go watch, like, love Simon. Like, I don't think you need to do that. I think you just need to be, one, a mother or father. That's first, you're still a parent. And then two, you just need to be there for them. Don't overthink. Like, your child told you they're gay. They didn't tell you, like, they're trying to solve cancer and they need you, like, to give them test tubes.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker C: You know what I mean?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it's not. Not that deep.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker C: Yeah. I think just don't overthink it. It's not that.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker A: So hard not to, though. How do you not overthink it? Because I feel like society forces you to overthink.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker C: They do. And also I think, too, like, where your kid is and where they are in life could also be like, what if they're being bullied? And now they're telling you. So now you have to figure out that too.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker A: Right. There's so many.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker C: So many levels.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker A: No.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker C: Right.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker A: You're so right.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker C: Don't overthink it. Be a parent.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker A: Don't overthink.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker C: Done.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker C: What was the first.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker A: The first part was what should moms actually know and what truly matters?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker C: I think what matters goes inside with that, like, you showing up for them and just knowing throughout the whole thing that they're loved and that you love.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker A: Showing that you support them to others, I think is most important. Right.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker C: Oh, that's actually really good.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker A: Like, showing that you support your kid. Not going to, like, oh, my God, my kid wants a Barbie doll for Christmas. Like, being like, oh, my God, you want to. But my kid, like, circles a Barbie doll in the magazine. Like, I'm gonna get it for him.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker C: I think that's actually huge and I kind of forgot about that. But yes, 100%. Like, knowing, like, your kid shouldn't be afraid to tell you, I want the Barbie doll, or, I like boys, I like girls. Right, Right. So be the parent. Even if you do feel some type of way, put on the brief face for the kid. And if the kid's listening when you're on the phone, like, what's new with your kid? Nothing. Or, yeah, they're dating. Like, they. They have a new friend.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker C: Because that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker A: They pick up kids. Pigs pick up, trust me.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker C: Even adults. Because people who are older, who are coming out, you might be 20, 23, whatever it is, like, your parents might not be comfortable in their. They'll be like, yeah, they're talking to. They don't say boyfriend. They'll say a friend. You know that.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker A: Right, Right.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker C: So I think even that Too. Like, don't beat around the bush. You know what I mean? Like, make your kid feel comfortable even when you think they're not listening.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker C: And what was the first part? What should they know?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker A: Yeah. And, like, what should moms actually know about, like, just having. Being gay? Like, being you being gay. Like, what your mom's actually know. There's, like. That's a. That's kind of like a trick question to me.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker C: I feel like you kind of said it too. Like, your kids are always listening. Your kids are picking up on body language. So if you're uncomfortable with it, they can probably tell. So, again, communicate that. And what was the other part? Sorry, forgetting.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker A: Oh, you answered it all. Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker C: Good.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker A: You did good. So just advice for moms raising LGBTQ kids or adults. Like, let's just speak freely around these themes. You don't have to fully understand to be supportive.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker C: Right?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker A: You don't have to fully understand to be supportive.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker C: Yes. Yes. I love when you talk like that. Like, while you're screaming.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker C: Like, agree.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker A: Don't make it about you. I think that's a big one. Don't let parents. I'm just speaking these in general, like.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker A: Don't make it about you. Don't let the parents make it kind of thing.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker C: Because it's hard. Because it's like, I do get why a parent. Like how you said you plan a life like this.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker A: Like, this is your kid. So I get. As a mom now, I should know better. Like, this is my child. Like, he is my. He is mine. My world. So it's like, you could do it in a way. Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker C: Where you're saying, this isn't what I planned for.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker C: Because that's okay. That's still your dream.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker A: It wasn't, but this is okay. Right?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker C: Right. And I think, like, a happy medium of both of what you said.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker A: Language matters. We just talked about that period.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker C: Body language, too.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker A: Make a home. Make home a place where nothing is weird.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker C: Amen.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker A: If your kid comes out, keep your face soft.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker A: Like, don't be. Yeah. Because, like, that's. I feel like first impression of when you tell your mom or dad is like.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker C: And they're like.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker A: They always think about. They'll always be like, that is what they feel because that's first impression.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker C: And then that'll make the kid or whoever shut down. Exactly.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker A: Follow their peace, not your fantasy.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker C: Aw, that's nice.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker A: Be the safe parent, even if you're clueless.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker A: I love all those.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker C: It's as easy as that.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker A: I love all those.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker C: It's as easy as that.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker A: Okay, just, like, one more little topic I want to just throw in here. Obviously, you're dating an Italian.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker C: Yes. And.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker A: And we're the best people on planet Earth, so there's, like, no red flags.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker C: As we're in full red.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker A: So let's just talk about just, like, quick, traditional mandatory stuff Italians just do.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker C: Is this a game?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker A: Not really. It's just, like, kind of highlights. Okay, so mandatory Sunday dinners. Like, how do you feel about that? In what sense? I love it.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker C: Going to it or hosting it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker A: Like, you're a part of an Italian family now. So, like, mandatory Sunday dinners. Like, we have a lot of Sunday.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker C: Yeah, I would love that. That. I love that. I also love Italian food.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker A: Known as questions. Like, anybody's, like, Italian questions.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker C: I wouldn't mind. I like that. Like, it's endearing.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker A: Loud argument.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker C: Oh, speaking of that, your grandma DM me on. Yes, she DM'd me on Instagram. It was a picture of me and your cousin. Grandma Grace DM me on Instagram. It was a picture of me and your cousin, and it was when our flight got delayed and she just commented, love you. Love you both. Graham or something. And she's luv. Luv too.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker A: I'm getting that tattooed on, man.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker C: And I responded back and said, love you too. Love her best. So any questions? Love them.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker A: Any questions? How about, like, being loud and argu. Argumentative. I just feel like us Italians, if.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker C: I'm breathing, I'm loud.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker A: If I'm breathing, family group chats or, like, initiations.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker C: Love, that makes me feel part of the family. Okay.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker A: Surprise Poppins. A lot of Italians like a Surprise Poppins to the house. I get that a lot.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker C: Yeah, well, you have a house, so you should honestly, when you have house, you answer that question.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker A: Okay. I love and hate it. I love Surprise Poppins because I need to be around people at all times of the day. But also, like, I'm particular about, like, making sure I have food. Like, making sure my house is neat. Like, I don't care as much now because I have a kid, but I'm saying, like, I'm only particular in the sense because I want, like, are you hungry? Like, my food? When you come in my house, you scoff my fridge. I have to make sure I make tacos.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker C: Surprise. Popping.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker A: Correct.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker C: A lot, actually.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker A: So everyone knowing your business, I hate that as an Italian or, like, in general, I feel like that everyone knows business.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker C: Even my family was small. But it's like my mom would tell.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker A: My aunt, yeah, yeah, yeah, food Love. We all know the love.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker C: Chicken, vodka, sauce, starving.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker A: Guilt as affection.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker C: Wait, oh, like Sicilian guilt. My mom is like the biggest one of that.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker A: It's.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker C: It's. I guess it's who they are. So it's fine, you know, I mean, but it's a very real.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker A: So none of them are really red flags to you?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker C: Is that what I was supposed to be doing this time? Oh, we were just like talking about everything. I don't think any of them red flags.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker A: That's why you're meant to be with an Italian. No offense to anybody else. Clock.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker C: I was going to say check ins though. No matter if it was a parent, cousin or something like that.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker A: Though if you're living with your boyfriend, pop ins, Mother in law popping in. As long as I mom popping in.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker C: Is it a poppin if I know that's.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker A: No, that's not a pop in. Or like calling. Okay, I'm outside. I'm going to come in real quick.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker C: Time and place.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker A: Like, you don't like it.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker C: Red flag. No, no, no. I don't know.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker A: Mother in law don't come in.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker C: Literally, if like they were coming with groceries, they're like, oh, I just was at the.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that you were like that.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker C: But like, if it's like, you know what?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker A: If I'm just gonna stop by real.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker C: Quick for coffee, I have to pick yes or no. Yes.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker A: Okay, that's fair. That is fair. Okay, I'm gonna wrap this up because I love having you, but we're starving.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker A: So final closing questions. Chris, what's one thing you wish your younger self could have heard from an adult?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker C: That, like, you're accepted and no matter what, who gives a fuck and who cares? Like, you're amazing. Like, love you. Done.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker A: You're so simple.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker C: I feel like it's not that hard to make someone feel.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker A: It's not. Because you were so confident. Like, going back to the very first thing I said to you, you're so confident in yourself. Like, you weren't afraid to be who you were. Some people are.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker C: I. You know what? There were times where, like, I was maybe afraid to, like, speak because, like, I knew my voice was higher. But, like, in the grand scheme of everything, I think as a kid, as long as, like an adult sets you like, you just want validation and that's okay. Done.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker A: Totally.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker C: 20 years ago, it was a different story.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker A: Different story. Well, anyway, way grand finale, you've been asking me to change my voicemail.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker C: Are we gonna change it?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker A: I can't because my phone's currently looking at me. But what I'm gonna say in my voicemail is what? Hi. This is. What should I say in my voicemail?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker C: I put these notes in.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker A: Oh, you did?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker C: I'm the one who typed in grand finale. Dom finally changes her voicemail because her voicemail, guys, is from five years ago when she was working at a very prestigious corporation. Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker A: Wait, I can't. Emily wrote grand finale, final update, Zombie changes voice. Mom, that's so funny. Did you put this last thing or.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker C: Just that little bit that I just put that.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker A: That's so funny of you. But I need to change my voice. I'm going to.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker C: You do.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker A: We'll do it after this.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker C: Thank God.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker A: Well, anyway, Christopher A. Williams, we're so happy you're on the pod with us. Hopefully our co host Emily's getting some.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker C: Rest and feels better.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker A: Drinking some soup and resting. Eating some. Eating some soup and drinking some tea.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker C: Amen.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker A: But you were a pleasure.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker C: Thank you.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker A: We had so much fun and I can't wait to have you back.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker C: But no wonder your kid hasn't slept. We've been done here screaming for an hour.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker A: Well, this was the season finale of Mama Claude, so stay tuned for next year. We love you guys.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker C: I'm just a guest, but I love you guys too.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker A: See you guys next time.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker C: Bye, guys. Sam.