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EYL #250 Terence Crawford on Errol Spence Victory, Boxing Business, Warren Buffett, Tank Davis & Real Estate · Earn Your Leisure

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Speaker 6: So if you're a fan of the Sweet Science like
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Speaker 6: I am, the term champ just can't be thrown around loosely.
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Speaker 6: There's only one champ at a time. There's a lot
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Speaker 6: of fighters, a lot of champions. Yeah, but there's only
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Speaker 6: one champ. Camp is the pounds a pound champ undisputed? Yes, correct,
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Speaker 6: So we have the champ Terrence crawd for in the building.
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Speaker 6: Bud just came off the biggest fight of the year,
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Speaker 6: very impressive fight. I knew you was gonna win, but
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Speaker 6: I didn't think that it was going to be in
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Speaker 6: that fashion shot the el Spence. But just I think
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Speaker 6: you want every single round except for the first one maybe.
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Speaker 6: And now you're undefeated forty and oh, I believe you
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Speaker 6: are pound for pound best fighter in the game.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Uh. You have four.
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Speaker 6: Belts including the Rainbilt five belts, and you're just at
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Speaker 6: the top of the world right now. So we're gonna
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Speaker 6: talk about a variety of different things. But first and foremost,
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Speaker 6: thank you for joining us. Appreciate it, Appreciate you having me. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: for sure, for sure shamp No we interview Floyd, that's true,
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Speaker 6: but he's not. I mean, he's retired. This is the champ,
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Speaker 6: you know.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying great, all time, great, active. I want
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Speaker 3: to get by all.
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Speaker 5: Of it, not just the biggest fight of the year,
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Speaker 5: the most dominant fight of the year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy. I had it on pay per view.
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Speaker 3: It was that was like wow, it was just a
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Speaker 3: different look in you.
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Speaker 6: We definitely both picked you to win. So let's talk
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Speaker 6: about this. I want to talk were Gonn talk about
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Speaker 6: the business? Were going to talk about a variety different things,
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Speaker 6: but let's start with the obvious. You just came off
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Speaker 6: that fight. What's the mindset going into that fight? A
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Speaker 6: lot of people did not pick you to win, said
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Speaker 6: that you were smaller than him, and you know, nobody,
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Speaker 6: I ain't seen anybody disrespect you, but a lot of
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Speaker 6: people just thought that you were not going to be
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Speaker 6: the winner. And like I said, not only did you win,
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Speaker 6: but you want an extremely convention fashion. So what's the
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Speaker 6: mindset of you in training camp leading up to this fight,
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Speaker 6: knowing that that's going to be the biggest fight of
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Speaker 6: your career so far.
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Speaker 7: Well, my mindset is always win at all costs. Make
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Speaker 7: sure that I'm in one hundred and ten percent shape,
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Speaker 7: prepared for whatever the opponent brings to the table. Make
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Speaker 7: sure that I'm at the best of my abilities going
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Speaker 7: into the fight, so I don't have to worry about
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Speaker 7: nobody else. A lot of people ask me, you know
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Speaker 7: what you got to do to win the fight? I
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Speaker 7: just say, be myself. I always say that because I
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Speaker 7: obviously feel as if I'm Terrence Crawford. Can nobody beat
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Speaker 7: me unless I beat myself?
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Speaker 3: So as I mean, first round, they didn't give to
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Speaker 3: you second round? Some things change?
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Speaker 5: Is that the turning point in your mind? Like, all right,
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Speaker 5: he hit me with something, this is all you has.
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Speaker 5: It's time to put this work in.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't.
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Speaker 7: I don't really think he hit me with nothing telling
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Speaker 7: in the first round. You know, I think the first
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Speaker 7: round was more so I fell out round. I don't
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Speaker 7: think either one of us did anything really in the
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Speaker 7: first round, So I really didn't understand, you know how
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Speaker 7: people had me losing it maybe because you know, he
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Speaker 7: was coming forward a little more and he was pressing
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Speaker 7: the action a little more, so they just gave it
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Speaker 7: to him on aggression, you know. But all in all,
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Speaker 7: neither one of us really was doing too much in
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Speaker 7: the first round. In the second round, you know, things
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Speaker 7: start picking up at a little more than there was
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Speaker 7: in the first round. I got the knockdown and that
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Speaker 7: changed the fight from from their own.
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Speaker 6: So I always wondered this as a fighter, right, there
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Speaker 6: has to be some level of are you ever nervous?
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Speaker 4: Scared? Doubt?
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Speaker 6: Like not only can you lose, but you can potentially
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Speaker 6: get hurt bad, right, So going into the fight, like, mentally,
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Speaker 6: how is that process for you?
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Speaker 7: Well, everybody getting nervous. You know when these fighters say
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Speaker 7: they they don't they lying. You know, everybody getting nervous
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Speaker 7: because you know that what's at stake.
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Speaker 4: You know, doubt.
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say like it crossed your mind in training
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Speaker 7: camp and stuff like that, but that's when you know
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Speaker 7: you got to push it harder in training camp when
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Speaker 7: you got that doubt in your mind. So going into
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Speaker 7: the fight, there's no doubt. There's no doubt whatsoever what's
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Speaker 7: going to happen because I know I put put the
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Speaker 7: work in. So yeah, I don't worry about those thoughts
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Speaker 7: going into the fighting.
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Speaker 3: I mean after you win.
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Speaker 5: And like when I'm watching this when it gets stopped
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Speaker 5: in the ninth round, I'm thinking to myself, that was
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Speaker 5: pretty dominant, right, And I know there's a rematch clause,
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Speaker 5: But in my head, I'm thinking to myself, are you
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Speaker 5: looking at like.
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Speaker 3: I've dominated this fight so much? Like who is my next?
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Speaker 3: Jow On? Right?
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Speaker 5: Because I seen there was some talk from the ring
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Speaker 5: side to Charlo. I saw the look in your eye
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Speaker 5: and like, yo, I'm that guy, Like what's your mindset?
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Speaker 3: Right after that? Like I just put him down? Who's next?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 7: My, my, my, mentor was just just what you're seeing.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 7: I went straight to the next next champion in the
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Speaker 7: next division, and that was Jamel Charlo. You know, me
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Speaker 7: moving up, he got all the belts, he got to
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Speaker 7: see me. And that's how I felt like, all right,
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Speaker 7: letting him know, put him on notice that you know
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Speaker 7: I'm coming for him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see that. I'm like, first I'm like, who's
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Speaker 3: he talking to? Then I realized it.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, automatically, I've done this in your minds,
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Speaker 5: like you're gonna have to move up and wait right,
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Speaker 5: because originally he was supposed to fight Alvarez.
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Speaker 3: That kind of didn't work. So like he's fighting. I
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Speaker 3: thought it was his twin brothers. No, no, no, that's him.
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Speaker 3: Okay's fighting. So after he does that, that is that
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Speaker 3: something you're looking like?
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Speaker 7: All right, yeah, if he come back in uh when
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Speaker 7: it's title against Tim Zuo.
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Speaker 6: So, but the rematch clause is up to spent if
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Speaker 6: he wants to exercise. So assuming that he's going to
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Speaker 6: do that, I'm assuming that he would do it. I
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Speaker 6: don't see why he Wouldn't you think about what weight
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Speaker 6: you want to find out? Because people let me ask
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Speaker 6: you this. Some people say he was dehydrated and drained.
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Speaker 6: That's why it looked so lopsided because he came down
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Speaker 6: and wait.
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Speaker 7: Well, you gotta understand my whole career people being giving
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Speaker 7: excuses for fighters that I've been in the ring with.
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Speaker 7: You know, a lot of people say, oh, man, you
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Speaker 7: ain't fighting nobody, or you fighting washed up guys, or
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Speaker 7: you fighting over the hill champions, or this guy didn't
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Speaker 7: train properly, or this guy did this and this guy
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Speaker 7: did that. So if you if you watch my interviews
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Speaker 7: when talking about a fire with Terrence Craufford and Aero
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Speaker 7: Spence Junior, you will see that I always said, once
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Speaker 7: I beat you and I'll make you look ordinary, they're
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Speaker 7: gonna have an excuse. You know, Spence never came out
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Speaker 7: with one excuse. He never said anything about nothing. You
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Speaker 7: just said the better man won. But in they mind,
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Speaker 7: they just can't understand the fact that I won in
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Speaker 7: that fashion. So they're like, something has to be wrong
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Speaker 7: because this guy is not that good.
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Speaker 4: That's what they think.
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Speaker 7: But once a fighter getting the ring with me and
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Speaker 7: it happens over and over and over, then they'll say, oh, well,
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Speaker 7: this is the reason why he won. Like that, or
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Speaker 7: this is the reason why you know he lost like that,
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Speaker 7: not giving me my credit and saying that he knocked
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Speaker 7: out every Well, the way that was put in front of.
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Speaker 5: Him now that this fight was highly anticipated was something
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Speaker 5: that obviously wanted to see for years. The business of
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Speaker 5: it is that there right because he has the opportunity
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Speaker 5: to exercise the rematch clause. How did that business work out?
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Speaker 5: Where like, who's the A side, who's the B side?
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Speaker 5: Because we've seen that plenty of times where that holds
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Speaker 5: up a fight and people won't do it because they're like,
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Speaker 5: I'm not the B side. How did that work between
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Speaker 5: y'all the negotiations of.
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Speaker 7: It, Well, I really didn't care the A side or
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Speaker 7: the B side, you know, I just wanted to fight.
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Speaker 7: Long as the business behind closed doors was right, then
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Speaker 7: we had to fight. You know, I didn't really care
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Speaker 7: if the poster said Spence Crawford Crawford Spence. At the
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Speaker 7: end of the day, we got to fight. Long as
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Speaker 7: you know the business is right now, I'm cool with it.
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Speaker 6: So look, over the last five years, we've been seeing
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Speaker 6: a lot of these mega fights taking place, right, and
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Speaker 6: that was a knock on boxing for a long time
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Speaker 6: that the fights that the public wanted to see were
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Speaker 6: not taking place. What do you credit that to? I
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Speaker 6: see you guys kind of thank each other for making
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Speaker 6: the fight happen. So did you credit that to the
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Speaker 6: boxes or do you credit that to you know, the
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Speaker 6: promotional companies? Like what what has moved the sport forward
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Speaker 6: where now guys are actually really fighting each other?
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Speaker 7: I credit the fighters, you know, I really believe me
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Speaker 7: and Spence was a big part of making this fight happen.
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Speaker 7: You know, if me and him wasn't wouldn't have gotten
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Speaker 7: on the phone and talked out some issues that we
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Speaker 7: was having with the lawyers and stuff like that, then
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Speaker 7: who knows if the fight would to continue, you know. Yeah,
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Speaker 7: So I just, I just I'm a firm believer as
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Speaker 7: the fighters make the fights if they really want them.
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Speaker 7: Because if I want to fight you and you want
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Speaker 7: to fight me, you're gonna go to your people's and say, hey, look,
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Speaker 7: I want to fight him and I don't care about
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Speaker 7: nothing else. You know, they might be looking at out
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Speaker 7: for you and say, all right, well, if you're gonna
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Speaker 7: fight him, we want you to get this or we
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Speaker 7: want you to get that, and you may be like, no,
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Speaker 7: we ain't gonna we ain't gonna get over on him.
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Speaker 7: I'm gonna take this and he gonna take that, and
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Speaker 7: we're gonna fight.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 7: So I feel as if a lot of fighters they
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Speaker 7: hide behind the promotional company or they management company, or
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Speaker 7: their advisors and things like that, and that's why a
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Speaker 7: lot of fighters don't get done. Or one's ego is
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Speaker 7: bigger than the other and instead of coming together, you
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Speaker 7: want to try to take the biggest pot because you
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Speaker 7: feel as if you bringing more to the table when
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Speaker 7: both of y'all bringing a lot to the table, because
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Speaker 7: both of y'all is stars.
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Speaker 6: So so that's an excuse when boxes say, like talk
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Speaker 6: to my promoter on my promoter, that's that they're using
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Speaker 6: it as an excuse.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, God won't fight with me. A guy
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Speaker 3: won't fight.
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Speaker 4: And it happened plenty of times.
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Speaker 7: You You've seen Tyson Ferry fight Deontay Wilder, You've seen
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Speaker 7: Lomachinko fight Gary Russell Jr.
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Speaker 4: I didn't fought to PBC fighters.
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Speaker 7: But when it when it came to me fighting One
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Speaker 7: Day champions, that's when it when it got Yeah, guy,
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Speaker 7: it's just like you know you're not about to come
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Speaker 7: over here and beat one of our guys and take
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Speaker 7: take a title back to your promotional company. And we
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Speaker 7: don't have no ties with you. And it's just like, now,
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Speaker 7: what do we got to offer? What do you got
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Speaker 7: to offer to us? So I see, I see the
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Speaker 7: business side of it. But uh, as a boxing fan,
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Speaker 7: you want those type of fights. You you call for
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Speaker 7: those fights, but the businesses get away. I get in,
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Speaker 7: get in the way of those fights happening.
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Speaker 5: So as a competitor after the fight, does the business
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Speaker 5: side kick in? Are you as competitive when you're looking
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Speaker 5: at the numbers coming back? I know there's some estimates
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Speaker 5: of over seven hundred thousand peoples you buys.
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Speaker 3: Are you looking at that saying, all right, we hit
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Speaker 3: our number?
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Speaker 5: Like other metrics that you're looking at from the business side,
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Speaker 5: what did the gate do?
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Speaker 3: Like? How does that? How does that go?
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Speaker 7: We were looking at everything, you know, at this point
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Speaker 7: of my career, we're gonna look at everything, you know.
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Speaker 7: We're gonna look at the sponsorships, We're gonna look at
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Speaker 7: the gay we're gonna look at the merchandise. We're gonna
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Speaker 7: look at everything, you know, because that that all matters
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Speaker 7: you know, and that's just part of the business.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking to myself, right, because I mean, that's
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Speaker 5: that's the first thing they'll do, is like this is
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Speaker 5: the high the most one of the highest anticipated fights.
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Speaker 3: They're looking at the numbers.
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Speaker 5: They're saying, oh, wait, well Tank for Garcia and that
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Speaker 5: did this amount of views and this one did this amount.
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Speaker 3: They try to compare it.
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Speaker 5: But in your mind, was there a number that was
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Speaker 5: like if we hit this, this is successful or did
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Speaker 5: we underperform?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 4: No, not really.
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Speaker 7: I wasn't too too worried about that because I knew
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Speaker 7: uh me and Spence will sell. There wasn't a lot
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Speaker 7: of uh extraness going on with me and him. I
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Speaker 7: don't feel I feel like as if it wasn't covered enough,
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Speaker 7: like a Tank and a Ryan because of it wasn't
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Speaker 7: any controversy. It wasn't us bad mouthing each other. It
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Speaker 7: wasn't us disrespecting each other. It wasn't you know, us
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Speaker 7: pushing each other trying to do anything to you know,
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Speaker 7: make everybody.
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Speaker 3: Be like, oh did you see that? Did you see that?
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Speaker 4: You know? It was yeah, it was it was It
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Speaker 4: was mutual.
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Speaker 3: Respect, you know.
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Speaker 7: And I don't feel like, you know, two grown men
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Speaker 7: gotta put on a show just to sell a fight.
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Speaker 7: And I believe that me and him prove that. Well,
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Speaker 7: what's your relationship with Bob Aron? I don't have no
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Speaker 7: relationship with him? Like you stop working, you're not on
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Speaker 7: top rank? No, So why did that relationship end? Well,
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Speaker 7: you gotta understand, you know, once once a fighter get
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Speaker 7: to the to the point of where they start understanding
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Speaker 7: business and they started asking questions and they're not just
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Speaker 7: taking what you offer them, then things get complicated. And
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Speaker 7: then at the same time, he couldn't deliver the fights
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Speaker 7: that I wanted, Not because he couldn't, is because the
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Speaker 7: relationship that he had with the other promotional company without Haman, Yeah,
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Speaker 7: with PBC and our Hamen. So you know that was
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Speaker 7: another factor and just things just didn't work out between us.
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Speaker 6: was it was Bob Baron is al Haimen, right, and
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Speaker 6: it made things complicated on the business side.
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Speaker 6: The business model of boxing is like difficult for business
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Speaker 6: to get done well. Like let's say like a UFC
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Speaker 6: where everybody's under one umbrella, right boxing, So, but now
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Speaker 6: a lot of guys are kind of like independent doing
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Speaker 6: their own things. So the future of boxing, do you
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Speaker 6: see more people not necessarily having a promoter or kind
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Speaker 6: of like doing like co promotion because you're independent right now?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 6: Is that something that you see more in your opinion
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Speaker 6: that's going to happen more in the future.
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Speaker 4: I would like it to happen.
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Speaker 7: But at the same time, you got to understand, you know,
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Speaker 7: some of these fighters that's growing up in the hood
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Speaker 7: or in the ghetto and poverty, they don't have no money.
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Speaker 7: So when a promoter come and see their talent and say, hey, listen,
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Speaker 7: I'll give you five hundred thousand dollars signing bonus, you know,
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Speaker 7: to sign with me for five years plus x X
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Speaker 7: if you become a champion. You know, it's hard to
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Speaker 7: turn that down, you know, and not not have the
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Speaker 7: right people around you to guide your career, because it's
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Speaker 7: hard to do things on your own when you're not
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Speaker 7: at this level where you're gonna fight at. How you're
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Speaker 7: gonna get any recognition? What network is you're gonna fight at?
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Speaker 4: You know, if.
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Speaker 7: If top rank, PBC, the zone, don't put you on TV,
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Speaker 7: nobody's going to see you. So now what how are
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Speaker 7: you going to market yourself?
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Speaker 4: You stuck?
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Speaker 7: You stuck in the box where you got all this talent,
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Speaker 7: but you ain't got nowhere to showcase that. You ain't
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Speaker 7: got no opportunity to showcase that. And then when you
19:14
Speaker 7: do get the opportunity, people not really going to be
19:17
Speaker 7: hipped on you. They might see you, but then now
19:20
Speaker 7: your numbers is still at ground zero, and now they
19:25
Speaker 7: use that as a bargaining tool.
19:26
Speaker 4: Do you think a boxing league can never be, can
19:29
Speaker 4: never happen?
19:30
Speaker 3: Yeah?
19:31
Speaker 7: Of course, if you know a lot of these old
19:33
Speaker 7: fighters and you know, people that want to clean up
19:36
Speaker 7: the sport of box and come together and put they
19:40
Speaker 7: put their knowledge together and think of ways to make
19:44
Speaker 7: an organization that's fair for all fighters.
19:48
Speaker 4: Then yeah, it could happen.
19:51
Speaker 3: Six hundred dollars as an amateur, that's what you will
19:54
Speaker 3: make in your first fights, right, my first professional professional fights,
19:59
Speaker 3: so to have where you're at now obviously multi million
20:03
Speaker 3: dollar flights. He said something important in one of the
20:05
Speaker 3: individual said, I had to surround myself around.
20:07
Speaker 5: People who knew about money. I had no idea about money,
20:11
Speaker 5: I had no idea about financial literacy. Who are those
20:14
Speaker 5: people that you started surrounding yourself with earlier in your
20:16
Speaker 5: career and how they're still around?
20:18
Speaker 7: Of course, So first, first and foremost, I surrounded myself
20:22
Speaker 7: with a fourth grade teacher. You know, she put me
20:27
Speaker 7: in contact with a lot of individuals that have a
20:30
Speaker 7: lot of money, that that's wealthy, that's doing great things
20:35
Speaker 7: in life. And yeah, from their accountants to the financial
20:42
Speaker 7: advisors to all that. And you know, I went from
20:47
Speaker 7: just putting money in the bank and thinking, let me
20:51
Speaker 7: just save the money to actually making real investments.
20:56
Speaker 3: So yeah, it started. It started with her yeah.
21:01
Speaker 5: When I asked the second part about the people still around,
21:03
Speaker 5: because when I hear you talk, there's a humbleness, but
21:06
Speaker 5: there's a sense of loyalty.
21:07
Speaker 3: Like why I watch your fights. We can see the loyalty.
21:10
Speaker 5: And we watched it when you fought in Omaha, and
21:14
Speaker 5: a lot of people are looking at it like this,
21:15
Speaker 5: why is he fighting Omaha? But there's a loyalty to
21:18
Speaker 5: your hometown. And when I was reading about it, I'm
21:21
Speaker 5: thinking to myself, is he taking the college athletics game
21:26
Speaker 5: plan where it's like, you know what, there isn't a
21:27
Speaker 5: major sports league here. There isn't none of the four
21:31
Speaker 5: professional leagues in Nebraska, but the college team is here
21:34
Speaker 5: and it's the biggest thing in the state. If I
21:36
Speaker 5: can win Nebraska, the people will come out and support.
21:39
Speaker 5: When you were going through the process of trying to
21:41
Speaker 5: find waste where to fight, I know there was some
21:43
Speaker 5: issues with your promotional team. They didn't want you to
21:45
Speaker 5: do it. What was your mindset saying, I have to
21:47
Speaker 5: do it here, I have to bring it here. This
21:49
Speaker 5: is where loyalty lies.
21:51
Speaker 7: No, that was just something that I always wanted to do,
21:55
Speaker 7: was give back to my city, you know, because they
21:59
Speaker 7: always been supportive of me ever since the Nationals, you know,
22:02
Speaker 7: ever since I was a little kid.
22:04
Speaker 4: They always supported me to the fullest.
22:06
Speaker 7: And I just always knew if I brought an event
22:10
Speaker 7: to Omaha that it would sell out, that they would
22:14
Speaker 7: come out, they'll support I was fighting, you know, in
22:19
Speaker 7: Barns in Iowa City, Iowa, with fifty people in it.
22:23
Speaker 7: I was fighting in ames At, Iowa, you know, with
22:28
Speaker 7: girls being the main event. It ain't nobody there but
22:31
Speaker 7: my whole family taking that drive and I got most
22:36
Speaker 7: of the crowd, you know, So I was coming up.
22:40
Speaker 7: It was tough, and I was just like, I don't
22:43
Speaker 7: understand the level of confidence that they got in these people,
22:51
Speaker 7: making them the headline of the show. But they wouldn't
22:55
Speaker 7: give me the opportunity to fight. And that wasn't with
22:58
Speaker 7: Todd Rank. That was with TKO Promotions. So once I
23:04
Speaker 7: got signed by Todd Rank, I stressed it the fact
23:08
Speaker 7: that I wanted to fight in Omaha. I told him,
23:11
Speaker 7: I'm like, listen, I want to I want to fight
23:12
Speaker 7: in Omaha. I got a big following in Omaha and
23:17
Speaker 7: I think it would be big.
23:19
Speaker 4: They really too much didn't believe me.
23:22
Speaker 7: Bob them said you win the title, we're gonna bring
23:27
Speaker 7: it back to Omaha. So once I won, they wanted
23:31
Speaker 7: to take it to Iowa where the casinos it's only
23:35
Speaker 7: like what ten minutes away, five minutes away.
23:38
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'm not fighting there.
23:40
Speaker 7: I just had to stand my ground, like listen, it's
23:44
Speaker 7: Omaha on nothing because ten thousand people, it's going to
23:48
Speaker 7: be way more than that. And they was looking like,
23:52
Speaker 7: all right, we're gonna see So once once the fight
23:57
Speaker 7: got announced with me and Gambol and they seen them
24:00
Speaker 7: agnitude and the support of the people that came out
24:05
Speaker 7: the support me and cheer me on. They was like, man,
24:09
Speaker 7: this is this is crazy, this is incredible. And I'm like,
24:12
Speaker 7: I told you, well, you you are the illness.
24:20
Speaker 3: That's a fact.
24:23
Speaker 5: From Nebraska. Yeah, there's another two from Nebraska. If I'm
24:27
Speaker 5: at the blow the business, the oracle of the Oracle
24:31
Speaker 5: of Omaha. Yes, so I'm wondering, as you're sending in
24:34
Speaker 5: your career boxing, is the oracle watching you?
24:37
Speaker 3: And of course he is watching.
24:39
Speaker 4: He likes boxing.
24:40
Speaker 3: I know, what's the first time he reaches out.
24:43
Speaker 4: Well, he never reached on you know.
24:45
Speaker 7: He came to a couple of my fights in Omahall
24:49
Speaker 7: came backstage, you know, showed support and love. Uh, weren't
24:55
Speaker 7: always been cool. Like I sit down meet with him.
24:59
Speaker 7: We're trying it up for hours.
25:01
Speaker 4: You know.
25:02
Speaker 3: This is stuff that people pay million dollars to do.
25:04
Speaker 3: That's a fact and big fact.
25:06
Speaker 7: And we sitting here just chopping it up about whatever,
25:11
Speaker 7: you know, And I'm just like, man, this dude, like
25:15
Speaker 7: one of the most popular dudes on the planet down there,
25:19
Speaker 7: and he's sitting here chopping it up with me. And
25:22
Speaker 7: we take a picture and he's like, man, put me
25:26
Speaker 7: in a headlock. I'm like, huh. I'm like, man, like,
25:31
Speaker 7: put me in a headlock. I'm like, put me come here,
25:34
Speaker 7: you know what i mean. Just joking around, you know.
25:36
Speaker 7: And I was just like, man, this due real life chill.
25:39
Speaker 7: And I didn't got the got the opportunity to sit
25:42
Speaker 7: down with him, and you don't have conversation with him
25:45
Speaker 7: multiple times, And I think that was real dope.
25:48
Speaker 4: What's anything that you that you might have learned picked
25:50
Speaker 4: up from him?
25:52
Speaker 7: Oh man, just a little certain investments, But it was
25:55
Speaker 7: stuff that I was already invested in, you know. I
25:59
Speaker 7: was just like, you know, what, what do he think
26:04
Speaker 7: about this? What do he think about that? And he
26:08
Speaker 7: gave me his opinion, and his main thing was, you know,
26:12
Speaker 7: get you a team that you can count on. His
26:15
Speaker 7: main thing was having a strong team. And he stressed
26:22
Speaker 7: that he wouldn't been able to accomplish all the things
26:26
Speaker 7: that he done accomplished if it wasn't for his team,
26:31
Speaker 7: you know.
26:31
Speaker 4: And I was like, how can I be a part
26:33
Speaker 4: of your team on their.
26:37
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Charlie, we can get this
26:40
Speaker 3: thing going.
26:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cool though.
26:42
Speaker 6: So I saw a post you talked about how you
26:43
Speaker 6: spent your first million dollars? Can you talk about that
26:46
Speaker 6: a little bit?
26:47
Speaker 4: Yeah? We did.
26:48
Speaker 7: We did the show, Uh how I spent my first
26:52
Speaker 7: million dollars? And it was just that, you know, my
26:55
Speaker 7: first million, most of it I spent on my family
27:00
Speaker 7: and you know, trying to make sure everybody is it's
27:03
Speaker 7: said cool.
27:05
Speaker 4: You know I was. I was the type of person
27:11
Speaker 4: that I really didn't care too much about shit.
27:14
Speaker 3: For me.
27:15
Speaker 7: I cared about my family, my sisters, my mom, my nieces,
27:19
Speaker 7: my nephew, my kids. How they was. So I used
27:23
Speaker 7: to always just save my money and they were like, man,
27:25
Speaker 7: you can't take.
27:26
Speaker 4: It with you.
27:27
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, you're right.
27:29
Speaker 7: So I just started spending, spending, spending, and I'm like,
27:33
Speaker 7: all right now, like I need to fight.
27:37
Speaker 4: So then it got to a point where you know,
27:40
Speaker 4: I got more you know, reasonable.
27:44
Speaker 7: With my spins and stuff like that, and you know,
27:48
Speaker 7: sisters houses, sisters cars, cousins cars, nephew cars. You know,
27:55
Speaker 7: remodeled my mom whole house twice, you know, bought her car.
28:00
Speaker 7: I bought my grandma car. Then I bought me a house,
28:03
Speaker 7: you know, me a vehicle and stuff like that. So
28:06
Speaker 7: I took care of everybody.
28:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:08
Speaker 5: One of the other things that was impressive, and again
28:10
Speaker 5: it speaks to the character is that you started to
28:13
Speaker 5: be in be academy for you know, people to create
28:18
Speaker 5: in a gym for the youth of your hometown.
28:22
Speaker 3: You said that you're independent.
28:23
Speaker 5: Now from the standpoint of promoting boxing, are you looking
28:26
Speaker 5: to want to create your own team of fighters?
28:31
Speaker 3: And is that was that division when you created B
28:33
Speaker 3: and B.
28:34
Speaker 7: No, that definitely wasn't the vision. But we definitely got
28:39
Speaker 7: our own team. It's called B and B Promotions. That's
28:43
Speaker 7: where me and Bryan I'm TBC Promotions. That's a different entity.
28:48
Speaker 7: But my thing was I got kicked out of the
28:53
Speaker 7: gym that I once was at CW Youth Resource Center
28:58
Speaker 7: because I wouldn't sign a contract to pay them every
29:01
Speaker 7: month because I was turning pro and I was like,
29:05
Speaker 7: nobody else was met with the contract. So I was like, man,
29:10
Speaker 7: I'm not signing nothing, and uh, the owner just basically
29:15
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29:17
Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, I'm leaving. So basically
29:19
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29:20
Speaker 7: And I just was like, man, I don't want that
29:24
Speaker 7: to ever happen to another fighter again. You know, you're
29:29
Speaker 7: forcing him to do something that you know is against
29:33
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29:35
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29:37
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29:41
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29:45
Speaker 7: we start going to a different gym, and me and
29:48
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29:50
Speaker 4: Then let's just get our own, Jim, we.
29:52
Speaker 7: Ain't got to go to nobody else gym, we don't
29:54
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29:58
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30:02
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30:06
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30:13
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30:15
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30:19
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30:21
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30:24
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30:28
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30:32
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30:34
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30:40
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Speaker 7: Once we got it to where the bags and everything
34:37
Speaker 7: was there, then we open it to the public and
34:39
Speaker 7: I was like, I don't want them to have to
34:41
Speaker 7: pay nothing. I wanted to be free for everybody to
34:46
Speaker 7: come in get a workout. They don't got a box.
34:50
Speaker 7: They can just come for health health as well. They
34:54
Speaker 7: can come to learn how to defend theyself. They can
34:57
Speaker 7: come just to hit the bag, let some steam off.
35:01
Speaker 7: They can come to try the box, which we know
35:04
Speaker 7: everybody ain't gonna be successful in boxing. A lot of
35:07
Speaker 7: kids they come in there, want the box, they get
35:09
Speaker 7: punched and then they leave, But we want to encourage them,
35:12
Speaker 7: like you don't got a box, but you can still
35:14
Speaker 7: come and train, you know, still work out.
35:17
Speaker 4: And we eventually bought.
35:20
Speaker 7: The other side, made it one big gym and half
35:24
Speaker 7: the side that we once was on, we made it
35:26
Speaker 7: a wrestling room.
35:28
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's free for all the kids and everything.
35:31
Speaker 4: You still got ties to wrestling, definitely, so my kids wrestling.
35:35
Speaker 6: Speaking of wrestling on the ww East side, right, this
35:39
Speaker 6: goes back to boxing.
35:41
Speaker 4: You a very male manned person.
35:43
Speaker 6: You said, like the last fight, you didn't have to
35:45
Speaker 6: do a lot of like antics to try to promote
35:49
Speaker 6: the fight. But the fighters that have always excelled have
35:52
Speaker 6: always taken on all to egos. We seen Floyd, he said, like,
35:56
Speaker 6: you know, when he was pretty boy Floyd, he was
35:59
Speaker 6: a star when he was when he may whether that's
36:01
Speaker 6: when he became the icon.
36:02
Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali.
36:03
Speaker 6: Everybody knows how loud and voiterous he was, even Mike Tyson,
36:07
Speaker 6: Mike Tyson wasn't really that loud, but.
36:09
Speaker 4: He just had a very special orga.
36:11
Speaker 3: It was crazy. Yeah, he just had to take over.
36:13
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, Golden Boys change it.
36:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is all right?
36:19
Speaker 6: So do you ever think about that, like, all right,
36:24
Speaker 6: maybe I should just do a little bit more add
36:26
Speaker 6: a little bit more flash or are you just comfortable
36:29
Speaker 6: just staying in your lane?
36:31
Speaker 7: Always being comfortable with standing in my line? I never
36:34
Speaker 7: wanted to be like nobody else, you know what was
36:39
Speaker 7: meant for me I have. You know, if they couldn't
36:44
Speaker 7: you know, respect me for being authentic in myself, then
36:48
Speaker 7: it wasn't meant to be. You know, I never wanted
36:51
Speaker 7: to put on a show for for ones entertainment. I'm
36:57
Speaker 7: entertaining in the ring now outside the you know, you're
37:01
Speaker 7: paying for what I'm doing to these guys in the ring,
37:04
Speaker 7: not for what I'm saying and hopping up and down
37:08
Speaker 7: on the stage. You know, when you look at all
37:12
Speaker 7: those guys that you just name, you know, look at
37:16
Speaker 7: what comes with what they've done negativity. They got to
37:20
Speaker 7: have all these security guards around them. They gotta you know,
37:23
Speaker 7: watch they back because so many people want to do
37:27
Speaker 7: harmful things to them. Just because of their actions, and
37:30
Speaker 7: not only that, now they start getting into it with
37:34
Speaker 7: people outside of the ring because.
37:37
Speaker 4: Of their character, you know.
37:40
Speaker 7: So yeah, I never want to be something that I'm
37:44
Speaker 7: not because you know, what you see is what you get.
37:48
Speaker 5: You built the gym, I believe you said it was
37:52
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand inn. But even in that story when
37:55
Speaker 5: you spent your first million, the most important pieces that
37:58
Speaker 5: you were buying with real estate, right is that something
38:02
Speaker 5: and even the renovation part that's something that you know
38:04
Speaker 5: that's hands on. How evolved are you in terms of
38:07
Speaker 5: the real estate portfolio, because I'm sure at this point
38:10
Speaker 5: it is growing. We just talked about, you know, you're
38:12
Speaker 5: doing a new build, how involved you in that process?
38:14
Speaker 3: And you enjoy it?
38:16
Speaker 4: Heavy? Heavy, you know what I mean. Like it's crazy.
38:20
Speaker 7: I just closed on, you know, a housewipe before this fight,
38:26
Speaker 7: and I closed on, you know, a big old building,
38:31
Speaker 7: you know, right in the middle of this. Like I
38:35
Speaker 7: got probably like over forty houses in Nebraska. In Nebraska,
38:42
Speaker 7: probably like six seven apartment complexes. You know, I got land,
38:49
Speaker 7: I got you know, storefronts. So I'm heavy. I'm heavy
38:55
Speaker 7: in the real estate.
38:56
Speaker 6: Talk about the land. How lot A lot of people
38:59
Speaker 6: are interested in real estate right now. But why is
39:01
Speaker 6: important for you to own land? God ain't making no
39:04
Speaker 6: more land, you know. So if you can buy some
39:08
Speaker 6: land that's in in a great area and.
39:12
Speaker 7: You can you can build on it, you can sell it,
39:15
Speaker 7: you can rent it, you can do multiple things with it,
39:18
Speaker 7: you know, or you can just hold on to it
39:22
Speaker 7: till you figure out what you're gonna do with it,
39:25
Speaker 7: you know, because the world is constantly shifting, you know,
39:30
Speaker 7: and it may it may shift from one area to
39:34
Speaker 7: another area because that area is already you know, to
39:39
Speaker 7: to flooded, so you know, you got to move elsewhere.
39:44
Speaker 7: So you know, I got some some real valuable properties, you.
39:51
Speaker 4: Know that I'm a build on and.
39:54
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's gonna accumulate general wealth, generational wealth.
39:59
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, you got a lot going on.
40:02
Speaker 6: Do you have somebody like that it's like running those
40:04
Speaker 6: day to day operations of your real estate portfolio.
40:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:07
Speaker 7: Well, I'm a partner with my guy Mark and my
40:13
Speaker 7: girl she handled all my homes and stuff like that.
40:16
Speaker 7: And I got people that give me advice on you know,
40:22
Speaker 7: things to buy that's that's hot, that's not even on the.
40:26
Speaker 4: Market, you know, And whatnot.
40:30
Speaker 7: So I got I got a lot of great opportunities
40:34
Speaker 7: for you know, great business adventures.
40:38
Speaker 3: When we think Omaha, we think Nebraska.
40:42
Speaker 5: I wonder from a standpoint of real estate, is there
40:44
Speaker 5: an agricultural play as well, because we know a lot
40:47
Speaker 5: of farm land, a lot of resources come from middle
40:50
Speaker 5: of America. Are you looking at from that standpoint or
40:53
Speaker 5: are you looking at it from a commercial standpoint where
40:56
Speaker 5: I can bring additional businesses to add to the appreciation.
41:01
Speaker 7: All you know, I got, like I said, I got,
41:04
Speaker 7: I got twenty acres. You know that I'm building on
41:07
Speaker 7: right now, you know, and I can I can do
41:10
Speaker 7: all that there.
41:11
Speaker 4: You know.
41:12
Speaker 7: I can build a greenhouse out in the back of
41:15
Speaker 7: my yard. I can put some cows and stuff horses
41:19
Speaker 7: in the back of my yard.
41:20
Speaker 4: You know.
41:22
Speaker 7: That's that's That's not anything that I can't do. I
41:27
Speaker 7: already have the store fronts and all that. So yeah,
41:31
Speaker 7: like the sky's the limon. Let's talk about boxing.
41:37
Speaker 6: If you what all right, if you had to give
41:40
Speaker 6: advice with some a young fighter coming up right, what path?
41:44
Speaker 6: Because it's like I think your path you've signed with
41:47
Speaker 6: a promotional company and then you go independent. That's pretty
41:50
Speaker 6: common with a lot of boxes, and then it's like
41:53
Speaker 6: do you just do one off deals? We saw Canelo
41:56
Speaker 6: he did a major deal with the streaming service. I
41:59
Speaker 6: don't know ever watching these fights though, but he's getting
42:02
Speaker 6: paid regardless. There's different strategies, Like what do you think,
42:06
Speaker 6: like one off deal's the streaming service way, the long
42:09
Speaker 6: term partnership with a promoter, Like what do you think
42:13
Speaker 6: is the best way to go about it?
42:15
Speaker 7: Well, it's hard for you to say that because, like
42:17
Speaker 7: I said, you know, what part and what part in
42:22
Speaker 7: their career are we talking? Are we talking when you
42:26
Speaker 7: first start, or when you become champion or when you.
42:30
Speaker 6: Like as a champion, Like once you're established already, it's
42:33
Speaker 6: now you got leverage, right, You don't have leverage when
42:35
Speaker 6: you first start. So I guess you have to go
42:36
Speaker 6: with a promoter.
42:37
Speaker 4: It depends on It depends on how your name is.
42:41
Speaker 7: Like I said that, that takes to where I was saying,
42:44
Speaker 7: you can become a champion, but know, nobody really too
42:48
Speaker 7: much care about who you are. You know, do you
42:51
Speaker 7: got to name that's been marketed? Do you got a
42:56
Speaker 7: name that's been pushed because some promoters they'll keep you
42:59
Speaker 7: on this level where you need them on purpose, you
43:03
Speaker 7: know what I mean. Yeah, they don't want you to
43:05
Speaker 7: get to reach that. They don't want you to reach
43:07
Speaker 7: too high. So you know what I mean, They ain't
43:11
Speaker 7: gonna do certain things to push you to be this superstar,
43:14
Speaker 7: because once you become a superstar.
43:17
Speaker 4: You outgrow the belts, you outgrow in the promotional company.
43:20
Speaker 7: Your name speaks for yourself, kind of like Floyd Mayweather,
43:24
Speaker 7: you know, Manny Pak y'all, Oscar delo Oya.
43:27
Speaker 4: You know, they can do anything in boxing.
43:30
Speaker 7: When they was boxing and they didn't have to have
43:34
Speaker 7: a title, they didn't have to be named champion. Those
43:38
Speaker 7: sanctioned bodies wanted to be a part of them, like
43:41
Speaker 7: Canelo right now, Canelo don't have to be a champion.
43:45
Speaker 7: He's made a name for himself and he's earned the
43:50
Speaker 7: right to do what he's doing right now, and that's
43:53
Speaker 7: going to get a bag from here, going here, going here,
43:56
Speaker 7: doing business with him, them them, because he's he's got
44:00
Speaker 7: a name, and everybody know that if Canelo make a fight,
44:06
Speaker 7: then the people in Mexico is going to support them,
44:10
Speaker 7: the people in the United States is going to support them,
44:12
Speaker 7: and it's going to be a big event.
44:14
Speaker 5: When when you're I mean now as you're doing this
44:16
Speaker 5: independently and for people who are not familiar with how
44:19
Speaker 5: boxes make money, because that's why I rest up. They're
44:22
Speaker 5: interesting that there was hedge funds that were willing to
44:24
Speaker 5: put up the purse for you and dispense fight, which
44:28
Speaker 5: is like, okay, it's a.
44:29
Speaker 3: Lot of money. So like, how do our boxes getting
44:32
Speaker 3: the money?
44:33
Speaker 5: It's the purse, it's maybe percentage of the gate concessions.
44:38
Speaker 3: How what are the streams of income?
44:39
Speaker 7: It depends on, It depends, It depends on you know
44:43
Speaker 7: what I mean. A fighter see in my case, you know,
44:46
Speaker 7: I get it. I get a percentage of everything that
44:49
Speaker 7: come in, everything, every penny that come in, I get
44:53
Speaker 7: a percentage of it. You know, if you sign a guarantee,
44:57
Speaker 7: then that's all you you get. You know, one thing
45:01
Speaker 7: about the heads fine that you know, I'm glad, I'm
45:06
Speaker 7: kind of glad that we didn't you know, sign that,
45:12
Speaker 7: given that we don't get paid until they make their
45:16
Speaker 7: money back, you know what I mean. So once they
45:20
Speaker 7: make their money back, then they get a percentage of
45:24
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, everything that comes in. So
45:29
Speaker 7: it kind of take away from the fighters other towards
45:33
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, us betting on ourselves. We're
45:37
Speaker 7: just like all right, whatever come in is gonna be us.
45:41
Speaker 5: But like at this level that the marquee guys, like
45:45
Speaker 5: the person is the guarantee money that they get win
45:47
Speaker 5: or lose.
45:48
Speaker 6: And then if you can, you could get more than
45:50
Speaker 6: that if the pay per view numbers come back, right.
45:53
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, some people don't.
45:55
Speaker 7: Some people get like probably like eight percent nine percent
45:58
Speaker 7: of a.
45:59
Speaker 4: Pay per view fight.
46:00
Speaker 7: They probably get like I was getting what six eight
46:04
Speaker 7: percent of the gate, you know what I mean? So
46:09
Speaker 7: like I said, your promoter, he's getting all that.
46:13
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, you're getting six percent, then there's
46:15
Speaker 3: somebody that's in the ninety four percent.
46:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was getting six percent of the gate. I
46:19
Speaker 7: was getting eight eight to six percent of the pay
46:24
Speaker 7: per view shares after meet and meet, like a certain
46:30
Speaker 7: number that it never never messy.
46:33
Speaker 3: It's so crazy. Yeah.
46:35
Speaker 7: So that's what I mean by when I say boxing
46:39
Speaker 7: is kind of shady, Well they ain't.
46:41
Speaker 6: Connoshated is so essentially all right, a kid sixteen years
46:46
Speaker 6: old shows shows very promising career ahead of himself. I'm
46:50
Speaker 6: a promoter, right, I come in. I give the kid
46:52
Speaker 6: five hundred thousand dollars. I signed him to an eight
46:55
Speaker 6: year contract. Never huh never longer no never. You can't
47:02
Speaker 6: sign nobody for a long five five all right, So
47:08
Speaker 6: that standard. I signed for a five year contract as
47:10
Speaker 6: soon as he turns pro and I pay for his training,
47:14
Speaker 6: I pay for a lot of the promotions, but I'm
47:17
Speaker 6: receiving the majority of the money I got it.
47:19
Speaker 4: It's an investment for me because he might not even
47:21
Speaker 4: work out.
47:22
Speaker 6: But if he does work out, I'm gonna recoup all
47:25
Speaker 6: of that money on the back end.
47:28
Speaker 4: Times tand.
47:30
Speaker 6: So you really but it's really looking at it like
47:32
Speaker 6: if I got ten fighters, nine of them probably not
47:35
Speaker 6: gonna work out. So the one fighter that does work out.
47:38
Speaker 3: What you're gonna get.
47:39
Speaker 7: But the thing is like this, you know you're not
47:42
Speaker 7: gonna You know, you've been around boxing long enough.
47:45
Speaker 4: So you can tell which one, you know what I mean?
47:48
Speaker 7: Uh, what fighters bring to the table and what fighters
47:53
Speaker 7: that you thought was gonna be something that they not,
47:57
Speaker 7: because it's how you move them.
47:59
Speaker 4: You know, you you you got all this money invested
48:02
Speaker 4: in him.
48:02
Speaker 7: You're not about to get him beat You're not about
48:04
Speaker 7: to put him in there with some crazy opponent. So
48:07
Speaker 7: you you constantly room in them step by step, and
48:12
Speaker 7: if you don't see what you you know what I
48:14
Speaker 7: mean you want to see in them, then you're gonna
48:16
Speaker 7: throw them to the wools and you're gonna have your
48:19
Speaker 7: other fighter knock him off and you still make money.
48:22
Speaker 7: You're gonna make as much money as you can with him.
48:26
Speaker 7: You know why, you got him to recoup the money
48:28
Speaker 7: that you invested in him. And then you're gonna get
48:31
Speaker 7: him knocked off. And then after that, after you can't
48:34
Speaker 7: use him, you're gonna you're gonna cut him just like that.
48:37
Speaker 7: You're gonna say, oh, termination, we don't want you no more.
48:41
Speaker 7: And I find that kind of messed up as well.
48:43
Speaker 7: You know that a promotional company can say they can
48:47
Speaker 7: terminate your contract like this, you know, but you can't
48:51
Speaker 7: terminate the promotional contract like all right, I don't want
48:55
Speaker 7: you to promote me no more.
48:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's always a one way stress.
48:58
Speaker 5: It's a so like even like the networks, like when
49:00
Speaker 5: Showtime does a fighter, the HBO does a fight, they're
49:02
Speaker 5: inside of that ninety four percent as well.
49:04
Speaker 3: Right, if you're making six percent.
49:05
Speaker 7: Of you got to understand like when these networks, when
49:09
Speaker 7: these networks go to a promotional company, they give a
49:13
Speaker 7: promotional company a budget and they say, okay, well here
49:18
Speaker 7: this is for you know, this fight these two guys
49:22
Speaker 7: to fight, you know, and you don't know about that.
49:26
Speaker 7: It could be ten million dollars, it could be five
49:29
Speaker 7: million dollars. You know, they give you a million, they
49:33
Speaker 7: give you a million and a half, and they just
49:35
Speaker 7: parket the reds because it ain't like you can say, oh,
49:38
Speaker 7: well what they put put it on the table, or
49:41
Speaker 7: sometimes you don't know.
49:43
Speaker 5: In terms of sponsorships, we've seen some fighters have deals
49:47
Speaker 5: with athletic companies. I wonder how you approach that right
49:50
Speaker 5: like I've seen I remember when Roy Jones at the
49:53
Speaker 5: Joining brand that was like, ooh, this is crazy. You
49:54
Speaker 5: got to join a sneaker and then you know, Floyd
49:56
Speaker 5: did a quick thing with Reebok.
49:58
Speaker 3: What's that like for you? In terms of athletic brands
50:01
Speaker 3: and sponsorships when it comes to to your portfolio.
50:04
Speaker 7: It's it's very tough nowadays because a lot of those
50:09
Speaker 7: big Mrquie brands is UH going to other sports like football,
50:15
Speaker 7: basketball and the other other sports. So when you look
50:19
Speaker 7: at UH, the Jordan brand. Andre Ward was the last
50:24
Speaker 7: one to have a Jordan brand, right right, you know
50:26
Speaker 7: when you look at the under armor, Canelo was the
50:31
Speaker 7: last one. I had an under armored brand. Reebok Floyd
50:35
Speaker 7: was the last one.
50:36
Speaker 3: Nike. I think Nike did something with PA.
50:38
Speaker 4: Nike did somewhere pack y'all, and that was it.
50:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was it.
50:42
Speaker 4: You know.
50:42
Speaker 7: So you will see a lot of people wearing Nike.
50:46
Speaker 7: You'll see a lot of people wearing Adidas, and Adidas give.
50:49
Speaker 4: A little money.
50:50
Speaker 7: Ever last, give a little money, but not to the
50:54
Speaker 7: to the level of you know what I mean, what
50:56
Speaker 7: they was doing back then.
50:57
Speaker 4: So there's been reports that some fighters, like we just
51:01
Speaker 4: programmed program weren't paid in full after that bouts. Have
51:07
Speaker 4: that ever? Has that ever happened to you?
51:08
Speaker 7: No, I believe he got his money, but I don't.
51:12
Speaker 7: I don't know nothing about that. I heard about it,
51:14
Speaker 7: but I don't know.
51:16
Speaker 6: You've never seen that though, Yeah, okay, like a fighter
51:18
Speaker 6: actually forough and then still then' it's like that's like
51:20
Speaker 6: going to a club performing.
51:22
Speaker 7: Especially if you got to guarantee you supposed to get
51:25
Speaker 7: paid right after my Why.
51:26
Speaker 5: Feel comfortable if I owed your money you gotta pay
51:31
Speaker 5: a boxer.
51:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, this is not it's not gonna end.
51:33
Speaker 4: Well yeah, definitely, definitely. Well let me can we talk
51:39
Speaker 4: about black Prime? Yeah, let's go. So did you sign
51:44
Speaker 4: for ten million dollars for.
51:47
Speaker 3: All allegedly allegedly?
51:51
Speaker 6: So what happened? What happened with what happened with that situation?
51:53
Speaker 6: Because that's not even is it still around or yeah,
51:55
Speaker 6: it's still around. They still doing fights and all that. Okay,
51:59
Speaker 6: They reached out to me. They wanted to do business, and.
52:04
Speaker 7: They was looking for the opportunity to step in on
52:08
Speaker 7: a on a bigger platform because they was on low,
52:11
Speaker 7: low platform. And they shot me a number and I
52:14
Speaker 7: was just like, huh all right, you know, and uh
52:19
Speaker 7: at that time, I was in negotiations with Arrow last
52:24
Speaker 7: year and the negotiations was going south. You know, we
52:30
Speaker 7: wasn't we wasn't really getting anything accomplished. We was just
52:34
Speaker 7: going back and forth. But I wasn't talking with ear.
52:37
Speaker 7: I was just talking with his handlers and stuff like that.
52:41
Speaker 7: And I was just like, look, and this is what
52:45
Speaker 7: needs to be put on the table for me to fight.
52:49
Speaker 7: And they basically was like, look, take it or leave it.
52:53
Speaker 7: You ain't got nowhere else to go. So at that
52:56
Speaker 7: point of time, I was just like, okay, all right,
53:01
Speaker 7: see y'all in a minute, you know what I mean.
53:03
Speaker 7: And I reached back out to be okay prime and
53:07
Speaker 7: it was like, man, we with it. You know who
53:11
Speaker 7: you want to fight? I'm like, I don't fight anybody.
53:14
Speaker 7: So at the time, we picked the highest rating person
53:17
Speaker 7: available and that was David Avenezian. He was ranked number
53:21
Speaker 7: six in the division, you know. And we got the
53:27
Speaker 7: fight done and I got paid, and you know, I
53:32
Speaker 7: went back to the drawing board and went back to
53:34
Speaker 7: the table and said, hey, look, you know, is we
53:38
Speaker 7: gonna get this fight lined up?
53:40
Speaker 4: Or is we gonna still keep waiting?
53:46
Speaker 3: So the most important thing to you boxing is your career.
53:49
Speaker 5: But the most important thing and it's evident every time
53:51
Speaker 5: I watch the fights, I see that front row, I
53:53
Speaker 5: see that family and being a father. Talk about that
53:56
Speaker 5: inside of you know, the stringer was training of preparing
54:00
Speaker 5: for something that like a prize fight, because even after
54:04
Speaker 5: the fight, I know, you know, you're still about like
54:06
Speaker 5: checking your kids schedule, like I gotta be at distract me,
54:08
Speaker 5: So like talk about that for a little bit.
54:10
Speaker 7: Man, being a father is one of the greatest things
54:14
Speaker 7: that ever happened to me.
54:16
Speaker 4: You know.
54:16
Speaker 7: I always say being a father saved my life because
54:21
Speaker 7: I was out on the streets getting shot, doing doing
54:24
Speaker 7: the most, you know what I mean. And once I
54:27
Speaker 7: had my first son, like that just changed my whole
54:31
Speaker 7: way of thinking, you know, uh, because I got to
54:34
Speaker 7: be here for him.
54:35
Speaker 4: I didn't want to.
54:38
Speaker 7: Be that selfish to be still doing the negative stuff
54:41
Speaker 7: that I was doing and end up in jail or day.
54:44
Speaker 7: And now you know, he's growing up without a father,
54:48
Speaker 7: and in this day and age.
54:51
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been good for him,
54:54
Speaker 4: you know.
54:54
Speaker 7: So uh, yeah, I always strive to be there for
54:58
Speaker 7: my kids and every way, shape or form. Because my
55:03
Speaker 7: dad left when I was one years old. He was
55:05
Speaker 7: in the Navy, so he was always out to sea,
55:09
Speaker 7: he was always He lived in Virginia, so that's two
55:12
Speaker 7: different states, you know, and we didn't get to see
55:16
Speaker 7: him as often. So yeah, like he wasn't there for nothing, really,
55:22
Speaker 7: you know. So I always told myself, I'm gonna be
55:27
Speaker 7: there for everything my kids do, per days, holidays, everything
55:33
Speaker 7: in that way, they don't never grow up and say
55:37
Speaker 7: dad wasn't there, or Dad didn't have time because the boxing,
55:41
Speaker 7: or Dad this or Dad that. All they're going to say,
55:45
Speaker 7: Dad was there through through it all. Dad left training
55:48
Speaker 7: camp to go to our national wrestling matches. Dad left
55:52
Speaker 7: training camp to go see us perform doing the national tracks,
55:59
Speaker 7: like just all that stuff that means stuff to him.
56:02
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to be there. So what's your walk?
56:05
Speaker 4: What's your walking weight? Ship one forty seven?
56:11
Speaker 6: Why everybody asks me that? That's a common question you get.
56:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody want to know how so I'm skinny man.
56:19
Speaker 6: We talked about Trillo, but from a financial standpoint. This
56:24
Speaker 6: is why I asked you this question, because you might
56:25
Speaker 6: have an advantage as far as the weight is concerned.
56:27
Speaker 6: But the biggest fight that I think that could be
56:30
Speaker 6: made is Tank Davis on a catchweight situation. He I
56:37
Speaker 6: think he said that he felt confident that he would
56:40
Speaker 6: win that fight. So how you feel about that? How
56:46
Speaker 6: you feel about that fight? Is it possible? Is it
56:49
Speaker 6: even possible to catch weight?
56:51
Speaker 3: Now?
56:51
Speaker 7: Ain't no Catchway's no catchway? And you come up to
56:55
Speaker 7: forty seven? Yeah, now entertaining and catchway?
57:00
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
57:01
Speaker 6: He's a champ though, too, undefeated and what cham He's
57:04
Speaker 6: not champ. You don't have belts. Bet he's not even
57:10
Speaker 6: a number one.
57:10
Speaker 4: Come on, man, tell me what bell you know boxing.
57:14
Speaker 3: I'm talking to a chim You forgot, you forgot.
57:17
Speaker 4: Devin Haney is under undisputed.
57:19
Speaker 3: They're still trying to get him a fight.
57:20
Speaker 4: Who undisputed? One thirty five? Devin Haney isn't. I want
57:25
Speaker 4: to ask you about Devin Hanes.
57:26
Speaker 7: Devin Haney got all the belts he did chance nobody
57:29
Speaker 7: else the chat.
57:29
Speaker 4: But he's a bigger draw.
57:31
Speaker 7: Devon is the champ, but tanks the bigger draw. Oh yeah,
57:34
Speaker 7: definitely tank the bigger draw.
57:37
Speaker 4: So you're not you're not. You're not catching weight weight.
57:39
Speaker 4: It's weight classes for a reason. Levels level. Tell him,
57:42
Speaker 4: come on, I'm gonna come up here with the big boys.
57:47
Speaker 4: I'll welcome. I just got a few more just pure
57:50
Speaker 4: boxing questions.
57:51
Speaker 6: This is something that's always frustrated me speaking at Devin
57:54
Speaker 6: Haney and shot to him great champion, but a lot
57:57
Speaker 6: of people felt that he lost that last fight, including me.
58:01
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's no I just think you lost.
58:03
Speaker 6: But I don't understand how boxing. You know how you
58:05
Speaker 6: watch the NBA, you know the score.
58:07
Speaker 4: You know that.
58:07
Speaker 6: Why can't boxing have each round the judges post this
58:12
Speaker 6: score so we know where we're at. No, because you
58:15
Speaker 6: might have you might not. You might think you're winning
58:17
Speaker 6: and you're losing. You might think you're losing and you're winning.
58:20
Speaker 6: So in my brain, why don't you just have it
58:23
Speaker 6: each score each round and now the fans know who's
58:27
Speaker 6: winning and the boxes know who's winning as well.
58:29
Speaker 4: They feel about that, that'd be crazy.
58:34
Speaker 7: Remind me of the amateurs when they was keeping score
58:38
Speaker 7: and letting us know round by round the score.
58:42
Speaker 4: But have you do like that idea? Yeah, it's cool.
58:46
Speaker 3: I don't.
58:46
Speaker 4: I don't.
58:46
Speaker 7: I don't care about none of it, you know, to
58:49
Speaker 7: be exact, cause I know I'm go in there and
58:53
Speaker 7: do what I gotta do to make sure that I'm
58:56
Speaker 7: winning decisively.
58:57
Speaker 4: Not but like I think a lotle bitch, do you
59:00
Speaker 4: think Lomach won that fight?
59:01
Speaker 7: It was a good flight, It was a close it
59:02
Speaker 7: was a close fight. Close, it was a close fight, Lomach.
59:08
Speaker 5: I'm looking at that, but I'm thinking to myself, I
59:10
Speaker 5: don't know if score cards mad to him. I feel
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Speaker 5: like you're going in there to knock somebody out. At
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Speaker 5: some point during the fight, there's going to be a
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Speaker 5: point and it's going to be decisive, and it's like
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Speaker 5: it's go time and there's another level you.
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Speaker 4: Can It's got to be frustrating and if you lose
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Speaker 4: a fight that you think you.
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Speaker 3: Want that I'm just saying for his like watching him.
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Speaker 4: It's the only sport that that can happen. That can't
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Speaker 4: happen in basketball. It can't happen in tennis. You just win.
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Speaker 4: The person who has the most points win.
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Speaker 6: Boxing is left to a person making a judgment, and
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Speaker 6: that that could actually be corrupted.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's definitely the bad and it's being bad and
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Speaker 7: you gotta do something about it. You know, you never
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Speaker 7: you never seen a bad a bad judgment get or
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Speaker 7: return either. I don't care how many times you watch
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Speaker 7: the fight and the whole world say this guy got robbed.
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Speaker 7: You never see they get overturned. So I think that
1:00:15
Speaker 7: that's something that needs to be fixed. I think there
1:00:20
Speaker 7: should be certain qualifications to allow you to be a judge.
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Speaker 7: I think they should go through certain things that the
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Speaker 7: fighters got to go through every every every time they
1:00:37
Speaker 7: have the opportunity to rest or judge because they play
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Speaker 7: a big impact to these these fights where you know
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Speaker 7: these fighters is fighting their ass off and to get
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Speaker 7: it tooken away from the judges is heartbreaking.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so well up times my brother.
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Speaker 5: One last question, I gotta I got a half of
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Speaker 5: a statement because I want to know if my good
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Speaker 5: brother and our brother, after you looked at you in
1:01:08
Speaker 5: your face and told you we're gonna lose, did Charlottage
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Speaker 5: reached out to you.
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Speaker 4: I'm going there in the more, but get back.
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Speaker 3: I want I want to see the look in the face.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 6: My last question is who's your all time top five
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Speaker 6: pound for pound fighters?
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Speaker 4: Gotta be Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Andre Wore, Sugar Ray Leonard,
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Speaker 4: Terrence Crawford.
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Speaker 3: Gotta be in the five. You got to be of course,
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Speaker 3: he was one of your favorites.
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Speaker 7: Easy, little Rose, I say that's your guy, listen.
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Speaker 3: I mean that's gonna be the Haney fight that should be.
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Speaker 4: Then he's gonna be the next pound for pound number one.
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Speaker 3: I can see how he's working with you.
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Speaker 4: He has that look, you know, he had that look
1:02:02
Speaker 4: in his eyes after that AINI fight. That was interesting. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Man, he's so talented. Yeah, he's he's on a right path.
1:02:10
Speaker 7: Got his head clear. I don't see too many people
1:02:13
Speaker 7: beating him. I see you know him and Devin, him
1:02:16
Speaker 7: and Tank being a great fight because they all three
1:02:20
Speaker 7: of them are talented, all three of them. You know,
1:02:23
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be fighting for supremacy, but I just think
1:02:28
Speaker 7: boxing ability, his reflexes and this defense is gonna take
1:02:32
Speaker 7: them to the next level.
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Speaker 6: Ope, my brother, appreciate you. Thank you for making the
1:02:37
Speaker 6: fight happen and these fights happen. I think that you're
1:02:40
Speaker 6: bringing the sport back a lot of other people as well.
1:02:43
Speaker 6: But it's important because boxing has always been, you know,
1:02:48
Speaker 6: one of these sports that doesn't get enough credit. And
1:02:53
Speaker 6: I'm glad to see real boxes now like being champion.
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Speaker 6: So appreciate it, and yeah, continue to make history.
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Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
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Speaker 5: We will be at the next five front row guard
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Speaker 5: See love is love.
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