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The Kenny Report | 8 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report. Well,
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Speaker 1: good evening and welcome on Chris Yulman sitting in for
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Speaker 1: Chris Kenny this week coming up. One Nation surge is
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Speaker 1: ahead of Labor in the latest News poll. As the
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Speaker 1: Victorian election looms, the focus is on the regions where
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Speaker 1: the roll out of industrial wind and transmission lines is
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Speaker 1: turning the politics of the energy transition toxic and what
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Speaker 1: made President Donald Trump storm out of a TV interview.
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Speaker 2: That's while it question because I've had another Thank you, darling, have.
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Speaker 3: A good tests.
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Speaker 1: Another day, another poll, another sign that time has been
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Speaker 1: called on politics as usual in Australia. A surge of
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Speaker 1: support for One Nation and News poll has nudged its
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Speaker 1: primary vote past Labor to make it on paper at
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Speaker 1: least the most popular party in the land. After three
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Speaker 1: decades of wandering in the wilderness. The Times now suit
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Speaker 1: paul Inu Hansen if she can seize the Times. There's
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Speaker 1: a long way to run between now and the next
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Speaker 1: federal poll, and time is a great leveler, so time
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Speaker 1: will tell. But Hanson has harnessed a mood, and that
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Speaker 1: mood is rage. It's a mood that's sweeping democracies worldwide.
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Speaker 1: The same rage drove Donald Trumpt to the presidency. The
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Speaker 1: same rage feeds reform in the UK, Rage against the
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Speaker 1: machine of government, rage against the suffocating sameness of it all, labor, liberal,
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Speaker 1: national the turnstile tied of suits who flow in and
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Speaker 1: out of state in federal parliaments as an illusion of change,
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Speaker 1: as nothing changes. Different players in the same pantomime, the
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Speaker 1: same manicured lines, the same glib answers, the same focus
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Speaker 1: group tested politics. The rote lies that roll so easily
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Speaker 1: from the tongue and land like a punch to the
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Speaker 1: gut because it's a profoundly personal betrayal of trust. Trust
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Speaker 1: is not only the glue of human relationships, it's essential
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Speaker 1: for a healthy society. Once lost, trust is the hardest
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Speaker 1: treasure to recover, and the party parade is just the
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Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg of a ruling order that many
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Speaker 1: voters deeply distrust and have no chance to change. What
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Speaker 1: lies beneath is the vast, permanent aristocracy of bureaucrats, business leaders,
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Speaker 1: academics and activists, all devoted to a tyranny of ideas
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Speaker 1: that they parade as progress. Globalization, offshoring the just in
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Speaker 1: time supply chains that hollowed out our productive capacity and
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Speaker 1: outsourced our industry to China. Net zero a slogan masquerading
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Speaker 1: as a plan, driving up costs, weakening energy security and
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Speaker 1: making it harder to build things in Australia, Mass migration, multiculturalism,
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Speaker 1: identity politics that risks atomize in our community and turning
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Speaker 1: citizens into competing tribes. And above all, the ever increasing
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Speaker 1: weight of governments, growing fat as they gorge on taxpayer dollars,
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Speaker 1: hoover it out of the pockets of taxpayers, with so
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Speaker 1: many millions sprayed away in waste. The maze of laws
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Speaker 1: and regulations that makes it hard for small businesses to
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Speaker 1: breathe and discourages the big ones from investing. To all
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Speaker 1: of this, add a new class of millionaire and billionaire
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Speaker 1: political hobbyists who treat government as another asset class to
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Speaker 1: be traded and manipulated. Is it any wonder that people
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Speaker 1: feel powerless? The rage of this age was foreseen in
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Speaker 1: the movie Network and given voice by the Australian actor
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Speaker 1: Peter Finch.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do about the depression and
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Speaker 4: the inflation, and the Russians and the crime in the street.
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Speaker 1: All I know is that.
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Speaker 4: First, you've got to get mad. You've got to say
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Speaker 4: I'm a human being. God damn it, my life has value.
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Speaker 4: So I want you to get up now. I want
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Speaker 4: all of you to get up out of your chairs.
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Speaker 4: I want you to get up right now and go
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Speaker 4: to the window, open it and stick your head out
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Speaker 4: and yell him as mad as hell.
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Speaker 5: And I'm not.
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Speaker 1: Trying to take this anymore. You are not powerless, and
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Speaker 1: you don't just have to scream out the window. Your
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Speaker 1: life and your vote have value. If decent people walk
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Speaker 1: away from politics, somebody else will fill the space. Now
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Speaker 1: would be a good time to join a political party,
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Speaker 1: any political party. Join Labor and remind it that it
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Speaker 1: should be the party of the working people. Join the
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Speaker 1: Liberals and remind it that individual rights demand smaller government
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Speaker 1: and lower taxes. Join the Nationals and fight for the
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Speaker 1: farmers who feed us and the miners who make us wealthy.
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Speaker 1: Join the Greens and remind them that caring for the
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Speaker 1: environment demands an end to the forests of wind turbines
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Speaker 1: and transmission lines. I don't know why anyone would join
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Speaker 1: the Teals, but even rich people need representation. Join one
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Speaker 1: nation and ensure that it is not merely a party
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Speaker 1: of rage, and it can be useful if it has
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Speaker 1: a purpose. Join any political party, make it better, because
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Speaker 1: democracy is not something that happens to you, it's something
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Speaker 1: that you do.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 1: One Nation rules, One Nation looms as an existential threat
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Speaker 1: to the National Party and joining me now as the
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Speaker 1: Shadow Minister for Regional Health and federal member for the
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Speaker 1: Victorian seat of Mali Doctor and Webster, welcome, Thank you, Chris.
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Speaker 7: Great to be with you.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the latest news pole and
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Speaker 1: all the other polls and which point in one direction,
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Speaker 1: which is that One Nation is essentially eating away at
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Speaker 1: the Liberal and National parties.
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Speaker 8: It is curious to me. I've got to say, I
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Speaker 8: don't know whether it's because they are conservative and therefore
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Speaker 8: going after conservative seats for the very reasons that you
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Speaker 8: raised in your peace is easier for them to do.
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Speaker 8: I would certainly prefer that they go after labor seats
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Speaker 8: and knock out labor who Let's face it, they came
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Speaker 8: to power in this last election built on a fabric
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Speaker 8: of lies and they have proven that now with walking
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Speaker 8: back on CGT, negative gearing, all the things that continue
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Speaker 8: to cause harm. As you rightly point out to small businesses,
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Speaker 8: certainly to farms when you're talking about trusts as well
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Speaker 8: as negative gearing and CGT. And you're absolutely right. The
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Speaker 8: regions are in a rage. They are angry, and I
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Speaker 8: just loved that you said people are not powerless. It
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Speaker 8: is so important that people understand that. I mean, I
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Speaker 8: have so many people coming to me, Chris, and it
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Speaker 8: has in the past, over the last seven years that
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Speaker 8: I've been in office, been women who have said to me, oh,
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Speaker 8: I really don't I really don't get into politics. I
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Speaker 8: guarantee you that more people are paying attention to politics now,
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Speaker 8: and thank goodness, because we need their voice. I cannot
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Speaker 8: represent my people unless I'm hearing what they're saying.
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Speaker 1: And what are you hearing about one nation in the
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Speaker 1: region where you are you hearing that they feel that
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Speaker 1: they've been betrayed by the Liberal and National parties, that
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Speaker 1: they feel that this malaise in politics goes back a
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Speaker 1: long way. It's not just the Labor Party.
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Speaker 8: I'm hearing that they're very angry now under Labor. I'm
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Speaker 8: hearing that they are moving to one nation all the time.
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Speaker 8: Of course, somebody said to me last week's the it's
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Speaker 8: the wave or you know, I took it as it's
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Speaker 8: the vibe, and you know, I understand that absolutely. I
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Speaker 8: think people are wanting to be saved, They're looking for
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Speaker 8: a savior. Are one nation the savior? I don't know
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Speaker 8: meant series of governments, both under Labor and Liberal and
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Speaker 8: nationals have not come up with good solutions to the
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Speaker 8: problems that we now face. I think Net zero was
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Speaker 8: a huge mistake and my region in particular is facing
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Speaker 8: the consequence of that. We've obviously said we're walking away.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Zero was Scott Morrison's mistake though, wasn't it. That was
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Speaker 1: him going into the Glasgow Climate change summit and supported
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Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce.
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Speaker 8: Correct, And we were told that which I hope people remember.
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Speaker 8: We were told that we would lose out on free
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Speaker 8: trade agreements, that we would lose out in the global
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Speaker 8: market space more generally if we didn't buy into net zero.
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Speaker 8: Now I don't think that's true. I think, you know,
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Speaker 8: I've seen plenty of your material on this. I've certainly
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Speaker 8: been saying it for a long time, and Matt Canavan,
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Speaker 8: our leader, has certainly been saying that we should not
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Speaker 8: be going down this track and I'm really pleased to
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Speaker 8: see that LIPS and NATS together US have stood against it.
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Speaker 1: Now, you've got some large renewable energy zones in your electorate.
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Speaker 1: Tell us what's happening there, how far have they progressed,
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Speaker 1: and what's the feeling of the landowners.
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Speaker 8: Well, the feeling of the landover owners is anger, pure anger,
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Speaker 8: and I so don't blame them. The Victorian Labor Party
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Speaker 8: has railroaded my communities and you're well aware of this.
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Speaker 8: In terms of the renewable energy zones, I've got three
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Speaker 8: in my electorate, three energy zones, the V and I West.
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Speaker 8: We have said we will not fund Angus Taylor has
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Speaker 8: come out and said that we will not be funding
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Speaker 8: rewiring the nation. I think that's a Hallelujah moment because
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Speaker 8: it is a huge mistake and Labor have not been
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Speaker 8: upfront with Victorians or Australians about what this is all
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Speaker 8: all costing us. We can all see it in our bills.
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Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what we're not there yet and.
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Speaker 1: How far progressed are they because we're seeing some now
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Speaker 1: that aren't going forward because wind has become essentially an
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Speaker 1: economic liability for people who are getting into it.
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Speaker 8: Well, this is true. I think the cost benefit analysis
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Speaker 8: is somewhat shonky on the whole deal. Frankly, the transmission
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Speaker 8: lines the Labor Party in Victoria are trying to railroad through.
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Speaker 8: Two of my farmers have been charged this week because
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Speaker 8: they call triple zero because Vicgrid we're trespassing their land.
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Speaker 8: I mean, honestly, this is about biosecurity, it is about
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Speaker 8: land rights, It's about a whole range of things that
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Speaker 8: the Victorian Labor Party have just trashed, absolutely trashed in Victoria.
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Speaker 8: And November can't come quick enough, and we need to
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Speaker 8: see a government that actually respects people's rights and people's
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Speaker 8: property right and values agriculture.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the further and further these projects get behind,
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Speaker 1: the more and more we're going to see more onerous
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Speaker 1: government intervention to make sure that they do go ahead,
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Speaker 1: because they will have to be forced if they come
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Speaker 1: up against the pinch point, which is that they need
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Speaker 1: the energy, they need to get the energy into the grid.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, absolutely right. And I would like to think
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Speaker 8: that the government will change in Victoria and therefore these
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Speaker 8: onerous requirements, these targets will not be continually sought, that
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Speaker 8: it will all stop that there will be a rethink
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Speaker 8: about the energy grid moreover, and that we will be
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Speaker 8: looking at coal, we will be looking at nuclear. The
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Speaker 8: change will come because we're not seeing success and you
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Speaker 8: spoken your piece upfront about manufacturing walking away, and you
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Speaker 8: know we're seeing investment, foreign investment, even reconsidering their options
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Speaker 8: about coming to us for other reasons, but also because
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Speaker 8: energy is so expensive, let alone ir red tape all
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Speaker 8: the other things.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Liberals have any realistic chance in
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Speaker 1: Victoria because they've spent the last three years essentially parading
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Speaker 1: their incompetence and their divisions, so it's a little bit
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Speaker 1: late now to be making a comeback. Can they win?
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Speaker 8: I think that the Victorian Liberal Party is in the
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Speaker 8: best position it's been in over the last three years.
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Speaker 8: It has not been glorious, and my hope is that
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Speaker 8: the Nationals and the Liberals will be ambitious and will
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Speaker 8: be going for as many seats as they can. I
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Speaker 8: know Andrew Leflein, who stood for Bendigo in the federal
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Speaker 8: election last year, missed out by ten percent of some
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Speaker 8: small number. Anyway, he was very very close to beating
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Speaker 8: the incumbent, and my hope is that he will move
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Speaker 8: just into alan aside and take her space about.
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Speaker 1: One nation taking your space. When it comes to voting
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Speaker 1: in Victoria, what if that right hand side of politics
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Speaker 1: collapses and fractures and that just re elects another labor government.
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Speaker 8: Well, I do despair about that. I do despair that
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Speaker 8: people don't understand how the politics will play out. It's
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Speaker 8: not just a matter of preferences. It is also who
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Speaker 8: you're going to be voting for, and that is a
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Speaker 8: real risk. It is a risk that label will get
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Speaker 8: back in, not because they're popular, just because the conservative
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Speaker 8: vote is split in so many ways. So I'm hoping
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Speaker 8: that people will see reason. I know that plenty of
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Speaker 8: farmers and farming communities in my electorate are very angry
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Speaker 8: and you want to throw the whole system out, and
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Speaker 8: I understand that. But you want a government that can
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Speaker 8: form government. You want parties that can form government in
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Speaker 8: order to change where we are at. We have suffered
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Speaker 8: over the last ten years.
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Speaker 1: And do you think that people might think, in your
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Speaker 1: electric though, that they elect a liberal party that nothing
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Speaker 1: actually will change. There's certainly no push that I can
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Speaker 1: see for them to have another cul fired power plant,
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Speaker 1: or to say anything really that flies in the face
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Speaker 1: of the prevailing orthodoxity on all these sorts of things.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think the Liberal Party needs to be courageous.
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Speaker 8: I think every party in this time where one nation
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Speaker 8: is at the doorsteps, so to speak. I think that
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Speaker 8: the conservative right needs to be courageous. I think the
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Speaker 8: Liberal Party and the National Party needs to take courage
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Speaker 8: and step up because the people are crying out for
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Speaker 8: it and we have to listen. If we want change,
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Speaker 8: we have got to listen and respond.
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Speaker 1: Doc brand Webster, thank you, Thank you, Chris. Let's go
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Speaker 1: off shore now on Israel has launched strikes on Iran
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Speaker 1: in a retaliation for a wave of missiles fired at
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Speaker 1: its north. It comes to spider warning from President Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump for Israel to hold its fire as he tries
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Speaker 1: to land a peace deal to Camber now, where I'm
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Speaker 1: joined by Sky News defense analyst Peter Jennings and Peter,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to matter what Donald Trump says. Israel
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Speaker 1: will do what Israel does when it's attacked.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I've just read a report, Chris, which says
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Speaker 9: that Iranian state media is now forecasting a week of
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Speaker 9: military strikes against Israel. And if that is actually the case,
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Speaker 9: the Israeli responses is going to be hard and heavy,
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Speaker 9: and it will not be restrained by calls from Donald
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Speaker 9: Trump for them to do nothing. So I think we'll
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Speaker 9: probably be certain about this overnight, Chris. But it looks
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Speaker 9: to me like where we're going to see a return
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Speaker 9: to significant military escalation in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: And I think what that means is that it sitably.
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Speaker 9: The Americans will feel drawn in to protect the Israelis
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Speaker 9: against missile attacks in particular, So you know, we may
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Speaker 9: be heading back into a pretty hot stage of military conflict.
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Speaker 1: Well, but you mentioned Iranian state media. Let's have a
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Speaker 1: listen to what it had to say.
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Speaker 10: Our acceptance of the ceasefire on April eighth was conditional
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Speaker 10: upon the cessation of hostilities on all fronts. However, as always,
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Speaker 10: the United States and the Zionist regime failed to uphold
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Speaker 10: their commitments. They continued their aggression and crimes in Lebanon
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Speaker 10: and repeatedly violated the ceasefire through attacks on Iranian coasts
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Speaker 10: and vessels in the straight upol Moves, the Gulf of
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Speaker 10: Oman and the Indian Ocean. Tonight's operation was a warning,
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Speaker 10: should these acts of aggression be repeated, the responses will
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Speaker 10: be broader in scope and will encompass all American and
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Speaker 10: Zionist targets throughout the region.
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Speaker 1: Peter, isn't the problem here that the two different parties
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Speaker 1: on the allies side, Israel and the United States, have
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Speaker 1: very different ideas on how this war should progress. Yes, absolutely.
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Speaker 9: I think what we've seen, Chris is that Donald Trump
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Speaker 9: went into this war at the end of February thinking
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Speaker 9: that he was going to have a quick victory after
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Speaker 9: some rapid fire American strikes, and that turned.
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Speaker 1: Out not to be the case.
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Speaker 9: The Iranians have been tougher fighters. They've got their backs
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Speaker 9: against the wall, no place to turn, so they've kept
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Speaker 9: fighting pretty tough. The Israelis see this as an existential threat.
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Speaker 9: The Iranian missile attack which went into Israel's north led
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Speaker 9: to about the top third of Israel all going into
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Speaker 9: bomb shelters just in the last few hours. Tens of
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Speaker 9: thousands of people impacted in that way. And so for Israel,
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Speaker 9: this is an attack that they can't ignore. They have
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Speaker 9: to have and indeed have an international legal right to
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Speaker 9: defend themselves. So the war is more existentially important for
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Speaker 9: Israel than the United States. What I think is unusual
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Speaker 9: here is that Donald Trump seems to have got himself
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Speaker 9: into a mindset where he wants a ceasefire at all costs.
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Speaker 9: He's been prepared to make more concessions than I think
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Speaker 9: he should have to the Iranians. The Iranians sense weakness
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Speaker 9: and they're trying to build more strength for themselves by
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Speaker 9: continuing their attacks. And so this is where we're now at.
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Speaker 9: I think if we see a greater tempo of military
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Speaker 9: action between Iran and Israel, that's going to put an
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Speaker 9: immense pressure on Donald Trump to come in and support
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Speaker 9: the Israelis with their defense. And so you know, we
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Speaker 9: might be back into another cycle of conflict pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: But I think this a General Petraeus who said, tell
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Speaker 1: me how this ends. So tell me how this ends.
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Speaker 1: Aren't we now in a state of permanent wharf Israel
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Speaker 1: it has yet to defeat Hamas, it's going to continuing
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Speaker 1: to fight has Bulah, it has to fight Iran. It
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Speaker 1: is surrounded by enemies who see it content to be
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Speaker 1: in a state of perpetual war.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it certainly doesn't end quickly. Chris that the Israelis
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Speaker 9: have a phrase cutting the grass, which is a sort
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Speaker 9: of a line they used to talk about the need
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Speaker 9: to go and hit the Iranian proxies on a regular
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Speaker 9: basis to reduce the levels of immediate danger. The new element,
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Speaker 9: of course, is the direct involvement of Iran, and I
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Speaker 9: think frankly, the only way that I can see a
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Speaker 9: real end to conflict here is regime change in Iran.
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Speaker 9: That's the Israeli position. It may in a way be
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Speaker 9: the American position too, because they're continued refusal to let
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Speaker 9: Iranian ships leave the straight Offmors with oil means that
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Speaker 9: the Iranian economy is now tanking very very quickly, and
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Speaker 9: that could be the thing which brings Iranian dissidents back
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Speaker 9: onto the streets in protest against the regime. So, you know,
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Speaker 9: maybe that's the longer term goal, but I think over
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Speaker 9: the course of this year, if not longer, what we're
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Speaker 9: going to see is continued fighting at different levels of
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Speaker 9: intensity in the Middle East, with the Ran behind almost
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Speaker 9: all of it, and now a reluctant United States wanting
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Speaker 9: to really retreat rather than stay ready for the fight.
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Speaker 1: Peter, we know that the Uranians are courageous people, and
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Speaker 1: they have taken to the streets into the past but
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Speaker 1: why would they do that. Now they'll just be mowed down.
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Speaker 1: They don't actually have any weapons with which to fight,
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Speaker 1: and the regime at this stage seems to be emboldened.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I think that's right, But the situation potentially changes
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Speaker 9: when there's no power, there's no water, there's no bread
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Speaker 9: or food, there's no petrol for vehicles. When the daily
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Speaker 9: standards of living just become so desperate that people are
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Speaker 9: forced out into the streets, we might see a change.
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Speaker 9: And it's going to have to be particularly in to
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Speaker 9: run a sort of a mass movement against the bassiege.
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Speaker 9: That's the secret police would which maintain order. So I
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Speaker 9: think things will have to get much more desperate. But frankly,
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Speaker 9: that's the direction the Iranian economy is moving in.
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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, of course, the stratuple moves remains closed,
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Speaker 1: although we've been shielded from the real economic effect, so
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Speaker 1: that here they will come in time. If that straight
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Speaker 1: does not reopen, it's really exposed Australia, hasn't it, And
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Speaker 1: how fragile national security is it is?
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Speaker 9: I mean, we've been cursed by living for several decades
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Speaker 9: with a just in time mentality, which says the cheapest
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Speaker 9: way to have will and fuels supplied to Australia is
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Speaker 9: to have it coming towards us at sea. We don't
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Speaker 9: have to bother with expensive storage, let alone refining here
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Speaker 9: in the country. And therefore we've made ourselves extremely vulnerable
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Speaker 9: to international disruptions of supply. I think we've not actually
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Speaker 9: begun to see the real effect of this yet, Chris.
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Speaker 9: The straightupil moves continues to be bottled up. It will
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Speaker 9: take months to free up, even if peace breaks out tomorrow,
22:00
Speaker 9: which it won't. And there's a fresh element too, which
22:03
Speaker 9: is Hohothy's and now shooting it Israeli shipping in the
22:07
Speaker 9: Red Sea, which is another area for oil to leave
22:10
Speaker 9: the Middle East. So I think the crisis is going
22:13
Speaker 9: to get worse, particularly for Asian countries, and that means
22:16
Speaker 9: Australia and Peter.
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Speaker 1: Finally, and briefly, this could just be a warm up
22:20
Speaker 1: for the main game, because if there was a regional conflict,
22:22
Speaker 1: nothing would make its way to Australia.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely and hard to answer that, Christian briefly, but you're
22:30
Speaker 9: quite right, and we've got to look at an increasingly
22:33
Speaker 9: aggressive China looking hard at the lessons they think they
22:36
Speaker 9: see of an indecisive America emerging from the Middle East.
22:41
Speaker 9: This is a period of significant strategic risk for Australia
22:45
Speaker 9: and stability in the Asia Pacific. We just can't take
22:48
Speaker 9: that for granted any longer.
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Speaker 1: Peter Jennings, thank you, Thanks Chris well Ahead. Outrage in
22:56
Speaker 1: the UK aventeen Henry Noak's murder, with revelations police tried
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Speaker 1: to intervene in the trial. Sophie Ellsworth will bring us
23:04
Speaker 1: the latest welcome back or by now many of you
23:13
Speaker 1: will have no doubt seen the deeply disturbing footage of
23:16
Speaker 1: the last moments of the life of Henry Noak. The
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old was stabbed in Southampton in December by
23:23
Speaker 1: Vickram Digwa, who falsely claimed he had been racially abused
23:26
Speaker 1: and had acted in self defense. Noak was handcuffed by
23:30
Speaker 1: police and bled out as they dismissed the truth that
23:33
Speaker 1: he had been stabbed, they couldn't breathe, and that he
23:36
Speaker 1: was dying. A storm of protests followed the release of
23:39
Speaker 1: the video in the UK. So let's now bring in
23:42
Speaker 1: news Call Europe correspondent and Sky and News contributor Sophie
23:46
Speaker 1: Ellsworth and Sophie can you just give us a sense
23:50
Speaker 1: of what the politics of this is like and the
23:53
Speaker 1: visceral reaction to this in.
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Speaker 11: The UK, Chris, It's really been quite profound here in
24:00
Speaker 11: the UK. A lot of people are very angry at
24:03
Speaker 11: the handling of this case and the treatment of young Henry,
24:07
Speaker 11: the eighteen year old teenager that.
24:10
Speaker 3: Died while under arrest by police.
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Speaker 11: So there's been protests in Southampton as we can see
24:16
Speaker 11: on screen there, and there were reports on the weekend
24:20
Speaker 11: that there were claims police were initially trying to paint
24:24
Speaker 11: him Henry as the aggressor.
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Speaker 3: Now we must remember he was stabbed multiple.
24:30
Speaker 11: Times by the murderer and was lying on the ground
24:34
Speaker 11: handcuffed while police were questioning him, and he was saying
24:40
Speaker 11: I can't breathe, I can't breathe in his final moments
24:43
Speaker 11: when he was the one who was stabbed.
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Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of outrage over the handling
24:48
Speaker 3: of this.
24:48
Speaker 11: And criticism that the police are focusing more on claims
24:52
Speaker 11: of racial aggression than actual incidents on the ground.
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Speaker 3: So chrisis has been far reaching UK, and of courts.
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Speaker 1: That police tried to intervene in the trial, essentially to
25:04
Speaker 1: make themselves look better.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is highly unusual, Chris.
25:10
Speaker 11: Reports also came out that during the murder trial in
25:14
Speaker 11: recent weeks, police wanted to put out a statement saying
25:18
Speaker 11: there was a lot of disinformation about this case that
25:21
Speaker 11: was spreading online and they were told not to do
25:24
Speaker 11: that and not to intervene in this case. So the
25:28
Speaker 11: police force there in the UK are under immense pressure,
25:31
Speaker 11: immense criticism of the handling of this case, and the
25:35
Speaker 11: Police watchdog are investigating the officers on that night who
25:40
Speaker 11: decided to arrest young Henry when it was claimed he
25:45
Speaker 11: was making racial aggressive comments towards his murderer, which turned
25:50
Speaker 11: out to be completely false.
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Speaker 1: And Reform has been pilloried for making a huge case
25:55
Speaker 1: of this.
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Speaker 11: They have indeed, I mean there's in a lot of
26:00
Speaker 11: criticism across the political spectrum that many of the political
26:04
Speaker 11: parties Chris have turned this, They've weaponized it to suit
26:08
Speaker 11: their own agendas. But I can assure you there is
26:12
Speaker 11: a lot of anger here on the ground.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm surprisingly jd Vance felt the need to weigh
26:18
Speaker 1: in and the Deputy Prime Minister David Lami has had
26:21
Speaker 1: a hit back at him. Let's have a listen to that.
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Speaker 12: Our democratic process is working well. This young man has
26:28
Speaker 12: been convicted. The second thing was I disagree with him.
26:31
Speaker 12: This has got nothing to do with mass migration. This
26:35
Speaker 12: young man was a bread let's be clear about that.
26:39
Speaker 12: And I said, look, mister Vice President, you're wrong about this.
26:45
Speaker 1: So if you don't know that jd Vance Weighingen actually
26:47
Speaker 1: helps any of the politics of.
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Speaker 11: This, no, it certainly doesn't. Chris, I think he was
26:52
Speaker 11: ill advised on this. The murderer is British, so that
26:57
Speaker 11: was not correct what he was saying. David Lammy did
26:59
Speaker 11: call him out on that. Look, David Lammy often gets
27:03
Speaker 11: things not right, but he was right on this one.
27:05
Speaker 11: And I think jd Vance acted too quickly on this
27:09
Speaker 11: and should have done his homework before he came out
27:12
Speaker 11: and attacked the UK on the handling of this.
27:15
Speaker 1: Now former PM Tony Blair has waded back into politics again.
27:18
Speaker 1: It's the second time in fact that he's taken aim
27:21
Speaker 1: at the energy policies of the UK. Let's hear it.
27:25
Speaker 5: To impose costs our own business and consumers in order
27:28
Speaker 5: to accelerate to that zero when the rest of the
27:31
Speaker 5: world is not doing so? Is I don't understand the
27:35
Speaker 5: logic behind it?
27:37
Speaker 1: So he wants cheap enery g surprise surprize and not
27:40
Speaker 1: net zero. Is there any sign at all that anyone
27:43
Speaker 1: in the government in the UK is listening to him?
27:47
Speaker 7: All?
27:47
Speaker 11: There are reports out Chris that Secure star of the
27:50
Speaker 11: British Prime Minister has directed civil servants to make cuts
27:56
Speaker 11: in the net zero department here in the UK to
28:00
Speaker 11: help bolster defense spending. So perhaps Sekir Starmer is listening
28:06
Speaker 11: to Tony Blair, because we know Sekir Starmer is fighting
28:09
Speaker 11: for his job. But similar to Australia, Chris, the net
28:13
Speaker 11: zero policies have been criticized far and wide here in
28:17
Speaker 11: the UK, and I think the government is starting to
28:20
Speaker 11: wake up that this dream of moving to net zero
28:23
Speaker 11: is costing them far too much.
28:24
Speaker 3: It's hitting households hard and they need to.
28:27
Speaker 11: Take action because there's other areas that are missing out,
28:30
Speaker 11: including defense spending, which Sakia Starmer has said he wants
28:34
Speaker 11: to increase by about eighteen billion dollars.
28:38
Speaker 1: Now, one thing Keir Starmer is listening to, that's the
28:40
Speaker 1: voice of Australia when it comes to a social media
28:43
Speaker 1: ban for those under sixteen years of age. Where is
28:46
Speaker 1: he up to with that?
28:49
Speaker 3: Well, Chris, any moment.
28:50
Speaker 11: Now he's expected to address the British public and may
28:55
Speaker 11: announce a social media ban. We know that it's going
28:59
Speaker 11: to happen in some shape or form. As to when
29:02
Speaker 11: it will be could be this morning, could be in
29:04
Speaker 11: a few days.
29:05
Speaker 3: But we do have that.
29:06
Speaker 11: Ashton by election next week which could see Andy Burnham
29:10
Speaker 11: win that seat and take on the Prime Minister. So
29:12
Speaker 11: there's a lot going on here risk but they are
29:15
Speaker 11: definitely listening to Australia. They're watching Australia's social media ban
29:19
Speaker 11: and it looks like they will follow sus.
29:22
Speaker 1: Sophie Elsworth, thank you, thanks Chris, and ahead of calls
29:29
Speaker 1: the scrap Australia's politicized school curriculum as education results doesn't
29:43
Speaker 1: seem no matter how much money we throw at Australian schools,
29:45
Speaker 1: the raw numbers show the education system is failing its students.
29:50
Speaker 1: We've tumbled down world rankings for two decades. So is
29:53
Speaker 1: it time to tear up the Australian curriculum and start again.
29:57
Speaker 1: That's the subject of a new report by the Men's's
29:59
Speaker 1: Research Center. It's author is doctor Kevin Donnelly, and Kevin,
30:03
Speaker 1: can you take us back through the last two decades
30:05
Speaker 1: or so, and tell us where we came from and
30:08
Speaker 1: where we have ended up when it comes to the
30:10
Speaker 1: strained education system.
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Speaker 6: Well, Chris, A good evening. That would take a lot
30:15
Speaker 6: longer than the time we had. I've been well. I
30:20
Speaker 6: taught for eighteen years and I've been writing about education
30:23
Speaker 6: for about thirty years. But there's been significant change in
30:28
Speaker 6: the curriculum. I taught English for many years when I
30:32
Speaker 6: was an English teacher, and when I went to school
30:34
Speaker 6: as a young boy, we were taught how to read
30:37
Speaker 6: with phonics, phonemic awareness. That changed. We became well. They
30:42
Speaker 6: took up the whole language approach. We were taught about pracy,
30:47
Speaker 6: about syntax, how to write a sentence, which is something
30:51
Speaker 6: you need to do. Even with AI, you still need
30:54
Speaker 6: to know what a sentence is. And we were taught
30:56
Speaker 6: clear thinking and I'm just talking about English now objective English.
31:01
Speaker 6: We were taught clear thinking and also how to pra
31:04
Speaker 6: see something. Now, all of that went out the window
31:07
Speaker 6: over the last thirty forty years, and we're seeing the
31:10
Speaker 6: results of that today, where a lot of young people
31:13
Speaker 6: can't write a legible sentence, and certainly can't write a
31:17
Speaker 6: properly structured essay.
31:21
Speaker 1: We are spending more money on schools than ever before,
31:23
Speaker 1: aren't we at a state and federal level? So how
31:25
Speaker 1: is it that we arrived here. It can't just be
31:28
Speaker 1: a lack of money.
31:30
Speaker 5: It's not.
31:31
Speaker 6: I mean it comes back to the curriculum. It's and
31:34
Speaker 6: I co chaired the review of the national curriculum the
31:38
Speaker 6: Australian curriculum in twenty fourteen, and I've done four international
31:42
Speaker 6: benchmarking projects looking at the Australian curriculum compared to that
31:47
Speaker 6: in England, America, New Zealand, South Korea, Hong Kong for example,
31:53
Speaker 6: and Singapore. Our curriculum was dumbed down. We lowered the spectation.
32:01
Speaker 6: We had this crazy idea that you didn't want to
32:04
Speaker 6: fail students. Everybody had to be a winner, so we
32:07
Speaker 6: lowered the bar as it were. At the same time,
32:10
Speaker 6: we've tried to do too much. As the Americans say,
32:14
Speaker 6: our curriculum is a mild wide and an inch deep.
32:18
Speaker 6: It's impossible for primary school teachers to cover it. It's
32:21
Speaker 6: very superstitial. At the same time, what happened in the
32:24
Speaker 6: classroom in terms of teaching practice changed radically, so teachers
32:30
Speaker 6: were no longer authority figures we moved away from what
32:33
Speaker 6: they called explicit teaching to collaborative work group, work process,
32:40
Speaker 6: inquiry based. We forgot about the need to teach essential
32:45
Speaker 6: content what your own Bruner the academic calls the structure
32:50
Speaker 6: of the discipline. If you don't have that, you can't
32:53
Speaker 6: be creative, you can't move on to high road to
32:57
Speaker 6: more difficult things.
33:00
Speaker 1: Loaded up the curriculum with ideology.
33:03
Speaker 6: The first time I looked at the curriculum when it
33:06
Speaker 6: was being developed. For some reason, they introduced the idea
33:10
Speaker 6: of the three Chris, sorry, three Chris cross curricular priorities.
33:16
Speaker 6: It's been a long day.
33:18
Speaker 1: It's hard to remember these concepts.
33:23
Speaker 6: All the subjects have to deal with Asia, sustainability, and
33:27
Speaker 6: aboriginal Now there's no educational purpose. And this is the
33:31
Speaker 6: other problem. The curriculum is designed by bureaucrats, by academics
33:36
Speaker 6: who've never taught in a classroom. So one issue is
33:40
Speaker 6: we must get rid of these priorities. The other thing is,
33:45
Speaker 6: and Jeffrey Blainey, how great historian, made the point you
33:48
Speaker 6: can go through ten years of school and never learn
33:51
Speaker 6: anything about ancient Egypt, Babylonia, Greece, Rome, the foundation civilizations
33:59
Speaker 6: of Western culture that we have inherited as a nation,
34:04
Speaker 6: and so even juda Christianity, which informs our political system,
34:08
Speaker 6: our legal system, much of our literature, music art. There's
34:13
Speaker 6: not enough about Christianity in the curriculum as well a
34:17
Speaker 6: lot about indigenous As I said, you can do indigenous algebra,
34:21
Speaker 6: indigenous science. So I'm not sure where that leaves Pythagoras
34:26
Speaker 6: and Euclid.
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Speaker 1: So what are your fixes for this, Kevin Well?
34:30
Speaker 6: Option one is to get rid of Akara, the body responsible.
34:35
Speaker 6: We have too many of these curriculum bodies. Every state
34:38
Speaker 6: and territory has one already. Get rid of Atara, get
34:42
Speaker 6: rid of the Australian curriculum, and move back to or
34:46
Speaker 6: move forward to what's called a syllabus approach, which is
34:50
Speaker 6: what the overseas countries do. Get rid of the competencies,
34:54
Speaker 6: get all the edu babble, as I call it, the
34:58
Speaker 6: woke ideology, and focus on what is critically essential for
35:04
Speaker 6: all the different subjects. We have to remember, as President
35:08
Speaker 6: Lincoln said, and it's a great quote, the philosophy of
35:11
Speaker 6: the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of
35:15
Speaker 6: government in the next. And we see that today with
35:19
Speaker 6: all the issues we face. So let's get back to
35:21
Speaker 6: a curriculum which is academically rigorous, morally grounded, and emotionally
35:26
Speaker 6: and spiritually enriching.
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Speaker 1: Well, Kevin, let's hope we don't have to wait for
35:31
Speaker 1: our generation for that to flow through into politics. Thank you,
35:35
Speaker 1: my pleasure, Kevin Donnelly. Well, soon the mood of the
35:39
Speaker 1: nation shifts as one nation hits new highs. My panel
35:43
Speaker 1: will weigh in next. Well time to bring in tonight's panel,
35:53
Speaker 1: Gemma ton Yini from GT Communications and Sky and News
35:55
Speaker 1: contributor Carolyn de Russo, both beautifully for now doing my
36:01
Speaker 1: best grinding through the gears. That's nice, look News poll underline,
36:05
Speaker 1: Please discuss or start with you, Jemma. It's not really
36:08
Speaker 1: a surprise because we've seen it in every other pole,
36:10
Speaker 1: but it underlines the fact that there is a movement
36:13
Speaker 1: on here. I guess the question is, hello, it can
36:16
Speaker 1: hold itself together.
36:17
Speaker 13: I'm not surprised, not just for that, but I think
36:19
Speaker 13: if you take a step back and look at the
36:21
Speaker 13: trends globally away from very far left leaning governments, which
36:25
Speaker 13: ours has become over time, the trend in Australia is
36:29
Speaker 13: following the pushback that we've seen and are seeing in
36:33
Speaker 13: other parts of the world, particularly in Europe.
36:35
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised by this at all.
36:36
Speaker 13: Australian elections have always been one in the center, more
36:39
Speaker 13: or less give or take over the years. And what
36:42
Speaker 13: this government has been doing, I think initially by stealth,
36:45
Speaker 13: but now they're basically out and proud about it and
36:48
Speaker 13: desperately trying to change the fabric of who we are.
36:51
Speaker 13: They're trying to gaslight Australians about what we think, who
36:56
Speaker 13: we are, how we want to run our companies, our families,
36:59
Speaker 13: all of those things. It's not surprising to meet or
37:02
Speaker 13: how long can it last? I don't see it stopping
37:06
Speaker 13: anytime soon, And I think the political class gets its
37:09
Speaker 13: nickers in a twist about oh, could Pauline Hanson be
37:11
Speaker 13: Prime Minister.
37:12
Speaker 7: She's in the.
37:12
Speaker 13: Senate, so that's a moot point for now, right, But
37:15
Speaker 13: unless and until there is any sort of material difference
37:20
Speaker 13: in another offering, Australians have had a gutfull. They're flipping
37:23
Speaker 13: the middle finger to established political parties. That's so obvious. Personally,
37:28
Speaker 13: I think it's a really interesting time. I'm not nearly
37:30
Speaker 13: as fretful as other people are about the prospect of
37:32
Speaker 13: a one nation coalition, melding of families. It's like Sicilians
37:38
Speaker 13: and Northerners getting together.
37:39
Speaker 7: It could happen.
37:40
Speaker 1: Well, let's ask let's ask Caron if she's up for
37:42
Speaker 1: that great big melting pot. Does that sound good to you? Ah?
37:46
Speaker 14: Well, I think anything that puts the brakes on the
37:50
Speaker 14: Albert easy labor government is a good thing. And the
37:53
Speaker 14: simple fact of the matter is is the coalition has
37:55
Speaker 14: got a lot of work to do. We know we
37:57
Speaker 14: have a lot of work to do. So what like
38:00
Speaker 14: Jemma said, people are very frustrated. They are flipping the
38:03
Speaker 14: bird to establish parties. And the simple fact of the
38:06
Speaker 14: matter is is we had to stop the hemorrhaging and
38:10
Speaker 14: that has largely happened. But the rebuild back it's going
38:14
Speaker 14: to be long and slow and tough and going to
38:16
Speaker 14: require a lot of work and a lot of discipline.
38:18
Speaker 14: And the simple fact of the matter is when people
38:20
Speaker 14: are frustrated, they don't want to listen to politicians. So
38:24
Speaker 14: it is going to take time to be able to
38:27
Speaker 14: do that. Genuine engagement, not the BS stuff, genuine engagement
38:32
Speaker 14: to get people to listen and understand the message. And
38:35
Speaker 14: I think the budget and reply in a substance sense
38:39
Speaker 14: was a really really good start. And now it's the
38:42
Speaker 14: job of the coalition to make sure that they get
38:44
Speaker 14: around the country to have those conversations with voters so
38:49
Speaker 14: that they understand that there is a distinct and very
38:53
Speaker 14: different offering to what labor has given us so far,
38:57
Speaker 14: which you know, it's not particularly attractive.
38:59
Speaker 13: That steaming turd. Can I just call it that it's
39:03
Speaker 13: a steaming turd?
39:04
Speaker 1: You can call it what you like. Thanks big of
39:06
Speaker 1: the just the political parties, though there's an institutional beast
39:11
Speaker 1: that people are tired of as well, isn't there. It's
39:14
Speaker 1: this giant edifice of government that goes through the bureaucracy
39:18
Speaker 1: through a business.
39:18
Speaker 7: Well, I think so.
39:19
Speaker 13: I was thinking about it during the week, As most
39:21
Speaker 13: of you know.
39:22
Speaker 7: My day job. I run a company.
39:23
Speaker 13: I've been in the real economy for twenty three years now,
39:26
Speaker 13: and I think if I ran my business with the
39:29
Speaker 13: absolute we're using the metaphors, may as well use it again,
39:33
Speaker 13: the middle finger to efficiency, productivity, fiscal discipline. You know,
39:38
Speaker 13: you wouldn't have a private sector and not everybody can
39:40
Speaker 13: work in the public sector. And it's the older DAJ
39:43
Speaker 13: you know, who do you start taxing when the private
39:45
Speaker 13: sector money runs out? And people are so offended by
39:48
Speaker 13: the granular things and the large things. So I think
39:52
Speaker 13: they're offended by you know, a minister Minister Wells for example,
39:56
Speaker 13: and the constant revelations about the spending let's called the
39:59
Speaker 13: miss steps that.
40:00
Speaker 7: Are coming out of her office.
40:02
Speaker 13: Families that are doing it tough don't want to see
40:04
Speaker 13: that because they know what I know, and you know
40:06
Speaker 13: they work for us, and yet they carry on as
40:09
Speaker 13: if the reverse is true. So it's that granular stuff,
40:12
Speaker 13: but it's also the high level stuff. You know, they
40:14
Speaker 13: don't they don't have to. They insulate themselves from policy
40:18
Speaker 13: changes they sworn about. You know the Prime Minister, you know,
40:23
Speaker 13: he'll go to a dance party, He've got a podcast.
40:24
Speaker 7: You go to the tennis to go to a music festival.
40:28
Speaker 7: What are they doing.
40:28
Speaker 13: We're all out here doing the hard yards and they're
40:30
Speaker 13: all partying.
40:31
Speaker 1: Carolyn.
40:35
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, look points you're on a Unity ticket with
40:39
Speaker 14: Jemma there. I was just sitting there thinking to myself, well,
40:41
Speaker 14: that's about as good as you can put it. And
40:44
Speaker 14: the simple fact of the matter is is particularly those
40:47
Speaker 14: little things, the big things are one thing, but the
40:49
Speaker 14: little things really annoy people. Making a com car wait
40:54
Speaker 14: for hours on annoys people, you know, taking flights when
40:58
Speaker 14: you know you could take flights that are perhaps not
41:01
Speaker 14: as expensive.
41:02
Speaker 7: That annoys people.
41:03
Speaker 14: Because there's a lot of people who are sitting at
41:06
Speaker 14: home thinking, God, I'd really love to take the kids,
41:08
Speaker 14: you know, for a few days to Bali or whatever.
41:10
Speaker 7: They look at They look at.
41:12
Speaker 14: Basic economy flights and they can't afford them, and there
41:15
Speaker 14: is just this total dismissal and disdain for any sort
41:21
Speaker 14: of prudence. And the average Australian doesn't get to live
41:26
Speaker 14: the high life like that, and I think they find
41:28
Speaker 14: that particularly frustrating and for them it shows a disconnection
41:32
Speaker 14: of the political class. So you know, to the extent
41:35
Speaker 14: that those things really should be avoided, I think our
41:40
Speaker 14: parliamentarians should do. But equally, like Gemma, I run a
41:45
Speaker 14: business and I want the government as far away from
41:49
Speaker 14: the everyday goings on of what I need to do,
41:53
Speaker 14: because they do not understand being lean, being efficient, being
41:57
Speaker 14: productive and staying which the rest of us have to do.
42:02
Speaker 14: Otherwise we get a nasty letter from ask.
42:04
Speaker 1: Well, I'll show you something that's a disconnect and I'm
42:06
Speaker 1: rewinding now to twenty twenty two and the Channel nine
42:09
Speaker 1: election debate where Dead Night asked Anthony Albanisi what the
42:13
Speaker 1: definition of a woman was, and let's hear that, and
42:16
Speaker 1: then what he had to say that last week in.
42:19
Speaker 11: A sentence, How do you define a woman, mister Albanesi?
42:24
Speaker 1: An adult female?
42:26
Speaker 7: An adult female?
42:28
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think it's confusing.
42:30
Speaker 1: Well, that's good to hear.
42:31
Speaker 11: The Coalition has been saying they want to change the
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Speaker 11: Sex Discrimination Act to redefine women as biological women.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that should happen?
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Speaker 10: Oh, look, I'm not engaging in culture wars here.
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Speaker 1: Guess what. It just became confusing. And this is the
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Speaker 1: thing that gaslights me. We didn't start the culture wars,
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Speaker 1: did we?
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Speaker 5: Women?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 13: And this is the thing like, he has a life,
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Speaker 13: and he has a mother, and I assume he has
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Speaker 13: close female friends. And perhaps there are all of the
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Speaker 13: political left, and perhaps it doesn't bother them. That's not
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Speaker 13: the point. The point is I always like to use
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Speaker 13: this analogy. Let's say, God forbid, you know someone's burned
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Speaker 13: to death in.
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Speaker 7: A fiery crash. How do the coroners work out who
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Speaker 7: is in there? Whether they're a man or a woman.
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Speaker 7: They're pelvispones. So they work out whether.
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Speaker 13: The person who's dearly departed is that is not a
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Speaker 13: culture or that's science. And if they are the flat
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Speaker 13: earthers of the biology section, these people, they really are
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Speaker 13: they This Prime Minister cannot stick to anything. One minute,
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Speaker 13: it's the voice referendum. It's not my loss. Thirty seconds
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Speaker 13: after that's over, it's not my loss. Now it's like
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Speaker 13: I'm not starting a culture, not getting involved.
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Speaker 7: In the culture. Well, mate, if you can't.
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Speaker 13: Do the job, vacate left and get someone else who
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Speaker 13: can do it.
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Speaker 7: And it's clearly clear that he can't do the job.
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Speaker 1: Carolyn, your take, I'm assuming it's again you're on a
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Speaker 1: unity car. It'd be too hard to work as well.
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Speaker 14: I just don't know what the confusion is. I don't
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Speaker 14: know what the confusion is. This here is one of
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Speaker 14: the most simplest things. It's the night and day of biology.
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Speaker 14: This is not hard and we don't have to have
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Speaker 14: a culture war if your side of politics doesn't undermine
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Speaker 14: the culture.
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Speaker 1: All right, just briefly, we've seen, you know, in Victoria,
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Speaker 1: there's been some fairly ugly politics recently with the premiere there.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this advertising.
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Speaker 14: Of course, it's inappropriate and that sort of language, that
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Speaker 14: sort of discourse should never be used in politics, and
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Speaker 14: you know we shouldn't see this happening on our streets.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, Pauline Hanson, let's just cop her take
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Speaker 1: on this particular one. Ditch the Witch campaign, paull In Hansen.
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Speaker 15: Suck it up, sweetheart, right if you've seen what's happened
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Speaker 15: to me over there. So I remember years ago Tim
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Speaker 15: Fisher called me a witch and I should be burned
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Speaker 15: at the stake.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think ditch the Witch is something you
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Speaker 1: want to see an advertising campaign.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's edifying.
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Speaker 13: I don't think it's but I think it is simplistic
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Speaker 13: happening in Victoria. But the other thing that I want
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Speaker 13: to play Devil's advocate is, you know, everybody's so quick
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Speaker 13: to say sexism, but you kind of have sexism without
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Speaker 13: defining what sex is.
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Speaker 7: So pick a horse and rider.
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Speaker 9: Go.
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Speaker 14: I just think there is so much low hanging fruit
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Speaker 14: with that government that you actually don't need to resort
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Speaker 14: to this, and sometimes it can actually be counterproductive and
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Speaker 14: you think you're being strong and forceful and whatever. But
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Speaker 14: you're actually taking away from the substance of some very
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Speaker 14: very serious issues, which I think if you deal with
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Speaker 14: them head on, makes it a lot more difficult for
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Speaker 14: the government to squirm around them. The thing is, when
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Speaker 14: you do things like this, it gives just in to
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Speaker 14: Allan a platform to turn herself into the victim, when
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Speaker 14: in fact she's the perpetrator of one of the most
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Speaker 14: terrible economic conditions we've ever seen in this country.
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Speaker 1: All Right, one last thing. We got to head off
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Speaker 1: shore and Donald Trump storming out of an interview at
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Speaker 1: television indew. Let's have a look at it.
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Speaker 2: I won an election in a landslide and I got
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Speaker 2: ninety four percent bad press.
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Speaker 3: You know what I got.
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Speaker 2: I presented because you have no credibility, but you've never
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Speaker 2: presented evidence that it was ricked.
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Speaker 7: Let's keep talking about I want to talk about Tom
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Speaker 7: You have more evidence.
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Speaker 2: There's more evidence than ever presented. Let's talk Your elections
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Speaker 2: in this country were like a third world country. Your
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Speaker 2: elections are crooked, and your crooked and read the.
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Speaker 3: Press is crooked, and so is ABC and.
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Speaker 2: CBS and CNN, your one sided crooked network.
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Speaker 4: Let's call it questions because I've had enough.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, darling, have a good time for president. Let's please,
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Speaker 3: I traveled all the way to Wisconsin.
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Speaker 2: I've all I know on and off in the rain,
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Speaker 2: and I've given you enough time you would to straighten
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Speaker 2: out your press because you know what, the country can
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Speaker 2: never be great travel with the dishonor.
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Speaker 3: We traveled all the way to Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: I've traveled all the way to Wisconsin. I can't get
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Speaker 1: good coffee sheets In a sentence, what did you reckon?
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Speaker 7: Great show? That's all I'm going to say. Great entertainment, and.
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Speaker 1: You, Carolyn Great Wyo.
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Speaker 7: Is a great show.
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Speaker 14: And frankly, if she had a step to what was relevant,
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Speaker 14: I probably wouldn't have ended up like that.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. We'll have to leave it there and
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Speaker 1: that's it for us for tonight and next. Peter Kredlin,
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Speaker 1: good night,