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A Brilliant Man on a Serious Topic · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: A brilliant man on a serious topic.
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  Speaker 2: It's one more thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm one more thing.
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  Speaker 2: Serious.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, a brilliant man, Douglas Murray on a serious topic.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody have anything that you want to throw in before
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  Speaker 1: we get down to business. I got a fair amount
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  Speaker 1: of audio here. Why don't we just get to all right?
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  Speaker 1: What are you laughing at?
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  Speaker 2: Katie?
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  Speaker 3: I have something that if I say it, you're you specifically, Joe,
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  Speaker 3: You'll just be like, get off the show?
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy is it? Why did it leap to mind?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I need to know this.
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  Speaker 3: I got a random text from a friend yesterday informing
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  Speaker 3: me that a group of young males is known as
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  Speaker 3: a scrot.
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  Speaker 2: Like I heard murder of crows, So you'd say, a
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  Speaker 2: scrope just came through here.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I told my son go be safe when
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  Speaker 3: he went to go hang out with his scroat.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: And we really do have to get started on the
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  Speaker 1: brilliance of Douglas Murray and anti Semitism. But I have
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  Speaker 1: read those very amusing lists of a group of crows
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  Speaker 1: as a murder or a group of hens or whatever. That's
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  Speaker 1: a clutch, that's a whatever, and a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: are really weird, and who decided in the beginning that
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  Speaker 1: everything just wouldn't be a herd if you say a
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  Speaker 1: herd of crows or a flock or a flock of
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  Speaker 1: cow of cattle. Why do we need different words?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like a scroat of young
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  Speaker 2: men coming through the mall.
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  Speaker 1: That is, that's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: That's my contribution.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I wish you had not brought it up. You're right,
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  Speaker 1: I need to just listen to you when you warn
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  Speaker 1: us so. On a much more serious topic, Douglas Murray
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  Speaker 1: gave a speech in Paris recently talking about Israel and
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  Speaker 1: Hamas and anti Semitism. We have divided a substantial part
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  Speaker 1: of it into four cuts. We can discuss in between
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  Speaker 1: as desired. Michael were starting with ninety there. We should
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  Speaker 1: have gotten ready for that, and we'll go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Hit it.
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  Speaker 4: I've spent most of the months since the seventh October
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  Speaker 4: in Israel and Gaza and have seen as much of
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  Speaker 4: the conflicts I think it's possible for non combatant to see.
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  Speaker 4: I've been I went to all of the massacre sites
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  Speaker 4: when they were still fresh. I have spent a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time with the survivors, the families of the hostages.
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  Speaker 4: I've been in the morgues of Tel Aviv where they're
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  Speaker 4: still trying to identify the dead. One young man's body
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  Speaker 4: was only identified yesterday. And think what it takes, what
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  Speaker 4: you have to do to a man to make his
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  Speaker 4: body unidentifiable for eight months.
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  Speaker 1: This is more than just a recitation of horror. He's
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  Speaker 1: working toward greater points. But roll on, Michael.
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  Speaker 4: The things that struck me most after the seventh October
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  Speaker 4: was I was at one of the reunions of the
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  Speaker 4: Nova party, and these are all young people who'd seen
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  Speaker 4: their friends raped and murdered in front of them. One
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  Speaker 4: young man, a survivor, showed me footage from his phone,
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  Speaker 4: and it included footage of a young friend of his
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  Speaker 4: who didn't make it into his car and was lynched
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  Speaker 4: by a mob immediately afterwards. This young man, this survivor,
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  Speaker 4: said to me, what would you do if this happened
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  Speaker 4: in your country? And I thought, I didn't say, but
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  Speaker 4: it has. It has happened in my society, in my Europe,
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  Speaker 4: in my West. The scale may be different, but the
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  Speaker 4: terrorists are the same. It happened here in Paris at
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  Speaker 4: the butterclar It happened in Manchester, twenty two young girls
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  Speaker 4: were blown up for the crime of going to a
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  Speaker 4: pop concert. Happened at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. The
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  Speaker 4: scale was different, but the perpetrators are all the same.
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  Speaker 4: They're always the same people who, whether in Toulouse or
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  Speaker 4: Porte de Vasnes, Copenhagen or Mumbai, can never restrain themselves
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  Speaker 4: from targeting the Jews. Yet the sympathy of so many
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  Speaker 4: people here in New Europe since the seventh has not
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  Speaker 4: been on the side of the victims, but on the
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  Speaker 4: side of the perpetrators. Too many people mistake the victim
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  Speaker 4: for the oppressor, the underdog for the overdog, and those
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  Speaker 4: who fight terrorism with those who dream of it and
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  Speaker 4: bring up their children to love it from the cradle.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with that list of four Mumbai
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  Speaker 1: among them, those are all notable terrible, deadly attacks by
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  Speaker 1: Islami fascists, Islamic supremacists, whatever you want to call them,
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  Speaker 1: on innocent people, terrorist attacks, they comment or shall we
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  Speaker 1: roll on little finish and then I will next clip.
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  Speaker 4: Consider this in every European capital as well as in America,
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  Speaker 4: photographs of the Israeli hostages still in captivity by Hamaz
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  Speaker 4: have been put up and in every city outside of
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  Speaker 4: Israel they have been torn down. Think about that for
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  Speaker 4: a moment. If someone in London or Paris loses their dog,
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  Speaker 4: they will put up a poster asking people to help
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  Speaker 4: find them. And if even one person in our society
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  Speaker 4: went around tearing down such a poster, we would ask
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  Speaker 4: what had happened in our society. We would ask why
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  Speaker 4: we were producing people so pathological. We would want to
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  Speaker 4: find the person and punish them. Yet, when the missing
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  Speaker 4: a Jewish children, or Jewish women or Jewish men, because
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  Speaker 4: there's no crime in being a man either, these posters
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  Speaker 4: are torn down. One of the relatives of the be
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  Speaker 4: Best children held in captivity told me recently that he
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  Speaker 4: saw posters of his one year old relative torn down
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  Speaker 4: in the center of Dublin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a stunning point right there. You have got
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  Speaker 2: to be some sort of warped individual, and apparently there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of them to take down those posters.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you believe all of the nonsense of the
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  Speaker 2: land belonged to the Palestinians and the Jewish people stole it.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you believe all that stuff. You're still against
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  Speaker 2: the Jewish families getting their kids back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. But there's
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  Speaker 1: example after example just in the last century of ideology,
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  Speaker 1: particularly extremist ideology, warping what seemed like normal people and
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  Speaker 1: turning them into monsters. And often when that fever and
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  Speaker 1: era of history passes, they cannot explain how they got
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  Speaker 1: swept up in it and became monsters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew it happened the way humans are. I
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  Speaker 2: knew what had happened in New York and a number
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  Speaker 2: of our college campuses. I didn't know what happened everywhere
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  Speaker 2: in the world outside of Israel where those posters got
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  Speaker 2: torn down. That is highly troubling.
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  Speaker 1: The brilliant Douglas Murray in the final clip.
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  Speaker 4: One other consideration we have all for years heard the
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  Speaker 4: feminists issue a call on male sexual violence against women.
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  Speaker 4: Believe all women, But where was the solidarity, Where was
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  Speaker 4: the sympathy or even belief? When the women would Jews,
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  Speaker 4: the belief evaporates. And I won't even go into the
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  Speaker 4: psycho pathology and suicidalism of queers for Palestine, who are
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  Speaker 4: a branch of Turkeys for Christmas. It was Hermaz that
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  Speaker 4: started this war. Yet much of the world has forgotten this.
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  Speaker 4: They've been fooled by Hermas propaganda into imagining that Israel
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  Speaker 4: is the aggressor. Having seen this war up close, I
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  Speaker 4: can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that the
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  Speaker 4: war would be over tomorrow, not just if her As
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  Speaker 4: returned the Jewish hostages, but if the Palestinians in Gaza
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  Speaker 4: brought up their children not to hate, but to love,
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  Speaker 4: not to aspire to a cult of death, but to
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  Speaker 4: join Israel in a belief in life, not to believe
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  Speaker 4: in destroying a state, but to put their energies into
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  Speaker 4: building one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is something that whole believe all woman me too.
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  Speaker 2: Thing that obviously the road stopped on that at Jewish
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  Speaker 2: women being raped to death.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was. We had a clip this
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  Speaker 3: morning of that woman screaming I support Hamas, I am
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  Speaker 3: Hammas outside of the White House over the weekend, and
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  Speaker 3: prior to her saying that, in the clip, she was
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  Speaker 3: screaming about all sorts of other stuff, and one of
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  Speaker 3: the things she started screaming aboutse they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: There was no rape that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at this huge
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  Speaker 3: group of people going, I wonder how many of them
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  Speaker 3: were out there during the Me Too rallies. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 3: it's all the same kind of people that go to
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  Speaker 3: these protests.
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  Speaker 2: All of them. But that does help their argument. They
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  Speaker 2: don't believe those stories. So okay, you know.
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  Speaker 1: A final note, and if you listen to the radio
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  Speaker 1: show Are the Armstrong and Getting on demand, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to hear this again. But I just wanted to throw
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  Speaker 1: in just a little bit of what Sam Harris wrote recently.
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  Speaker 1: Is another thinker who I admire even when I don't
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  Speaker 1: agree with him. He provokes my thoughts. But he unleashed
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  Speaker 1: rather a long piece about fundamentalist Islam and how it's
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  Speaker 1: a political system and a relentively expansionist political system and
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  Speaker 1: totalitarian political system, and compares it and contrasts it in
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  Speaker 1: some ways with Christianity, which is also expansionist. But is
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  Speaker 1: you know, the blessed or the meek, for they will
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  Speaker 1: inherit the earth when it's done right. Christianity does not
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  Speaker 1: employ force in any way. But and he gets to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Islam from the first moment was a
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  Speaker 1: religion of power, and to quote him. The idea of
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  Speaker 1: non Muslims ruling over Muslims, or even having equivalent power
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  Speaker 1: alongside them perpetually has always been anathema. It's an error
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  Speaker 1: to be rectified through spiritual struggle, sure, but also through
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  Speaker 1: physical violence. The fact that Islam has failed to achieve
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  Speaker 1: dominance in our world and has proven for nearly a
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  Speaker 1: thousand years to be quite backward and weak is a
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  Speaker 1: perennial source of humiliation. By the light of the doctrine,
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  Speaker 1: it makes absolutely no sense. It's a sacrilege. From the
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  Speaker 1: point of view of Islam. The status quo is intolerable.
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  Speaker 1: And then he brings it to what we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: and this general attitude of affronted dignity, this yearning for victory,
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  Speaker 1: which century after century has been out of reach, affects
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  Speaker 1: everything that Islam touches. It is why the history of
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  Speaker 1: peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians has been so hopeless.
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  Speaker 1: Have the Israelis made mistakes, of course, do the Jews
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  Speaker 1: have their own religious fanatics, yes, But the peace process
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  Speaker 1: between the Israelis and the Palestinians has been rendered hopeless
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  Speaker 1: from the start because for a majority of Palestinians, and
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  Speaker 1: for the vast numbers of Muslims in the region, the
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  Speaker 1: mere presence of a Jewish state in the Holy Land
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  Speaker 1: is totally unacceptable. It's a knakma, a catastrophe. It is
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  Speaker 1: a perversion of sacred history, and it is an abject
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  Speaker 1: failure of the mission of Islam, which is to conquer
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  Speaker 1: the world for the glory of God, and above all,
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  Speaker 1: to never forsake Muslim lands once they have been conquered,
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  Speaker 1: which of course Palestine once was. And then it goes
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  Speaker 1: into some quotes from the Koran which make it clear
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  Speaker 1: that for fundamentalists, killing people to achieve their goals is
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  Speaker 1: just a hunky dory. But I think the point that
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  Speaker 1: Sam Harris is making is absolutely fundamental.
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  Speaker 2: To all of this.
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  Speaker 1: They can't come to a settlement with Israel and reach
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  Speaker 1: a two state solution. They want a one state solution,
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  Speaker 1: even if everybody dies, everybody on both sides. Two state solution.
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  Speaker 1: Please sell your idiot fantasies somewhere else. We're not buying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not buying. Yeah. So the question is Secretary of
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  Speaker 2: State's over there trying to work that deal out with
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  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, where we have some sort of agreement with
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  Speaker 2: them like we have with Japan where we would come
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  Speaker 2: to their aid if they were attacked, and which Saudi
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  Speaker 2: Arabia would love that because that helps them in that
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  Speaker 2: whole battle with Iran. But Saudi Arabia has to get
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  Speaker 2: on board with accepting, you know, normalizing relationship with Israel.
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  Speaker 2: They're saying, and they won't do that unless one the
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  Speaker 2: war ends and two they commit to a two state solution.
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  Speaker 2: But whether or not they actually mean that or not
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  Speaker 2: is an open question, Like if MBS might be willing
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  Speaker 2: to say, yeah, and you have to commit to us
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  Speaker 2: two state solutions sometime, but doesn't actually enforce it.
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  Speaker 1: Right for domestic political consumption, much as Anthony Blankett is
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  Speaker 1: desperate for things to calm down a little bit for
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  Speaker 1: domestic political consumption.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so those are the next steps there. That'd be
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  Speaker 2: a huge deal.
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  Speaker 1: Again, if politics was restricted to people only saying what
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  Speaker 1: they actually meant, that like eighty percent of it would vanish.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.