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Mom Disappears After Birthday Party—Did Her Husband Do It True Crime Mystery · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Cassandra Robinson was the last scene on February.
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  Speaker 2: First at her daughter's first birthday party. So where does
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: she say she was going?
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  Speaker 3: She settled the way out the door. It's none of
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  Speaker 3: your business where I'm going or whatever. You want to
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  Speaker 3: come back.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know what happened, how it happened, when it happened.
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  Speaker 5: You've seen No, I've destroyed my life effectively and practically speaking.
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  Speaker 5: You have disassembled everything that I've been working for.
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  Speaker 6: I care about this girl.
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  Speaker 7: I care about that found her dead body in a veneral,
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  Speaker 7: rotting in a trait.
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  Speaker 6: Tell us what happened that way?
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  Speaker 8: Got the complicated situation I got going this lady she's
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  Speaker 8: twenty five years old. Family said the last time they
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  Speaker 8: saw her was four months ago. Cassandra Robinson's ad to
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  Speaker 8: Avenue advise airbat.
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  Speaker 9: Ten for.
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  Speaker 10: Same Miss Robinson. Yes, yes, can you come out to
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  Speaker 10: the carference her?
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  Speaker 8: Did you ever know her to live in an address
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  Speaker 8: I find forced birth?
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  Speaker 1: That's my dad.
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  Speaker 2: She used to stay there with her.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, it was she was coming from aport Just your
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  Speaker 11: sister has a history of having mental health, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 11: when my.
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  Speaker 12: Mom passed away, she went that right, you know I say,
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  Speaker 12: people go a certain routes. She went that, but once
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  Speaker 12: she had a baby, it's like that was all.
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  Speaker 13: It was a whole nother her.
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  Speaker 12: It was I'm glad she had them, Glad she had
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  Speaker 12: a child because it changed her. She was good, like happy,
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  Speaker 12: everything was good. So it's just all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 12: she's gone, like it's not normal.
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  Speaker 8: Is she on Facebook and stuff like that?
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  Speaker 12: So Facebook is still there, everything is still up. She
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  Speaker 12: just hasn't been on it since February. She just February first,
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  Speaker 12: my niece's first birthday. She disagress his dad, so that's
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  Speaker 12: why we want to make sure she's okay.
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  Speaker 2: At the time of the report, family relayed that Cassandra
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  Speaker 2: was living with her boyfriend and the father of the child,
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  Speaker 2: and his name is Henry Steiger.
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  Speaker 13: This is the guy, but my phone just looked jacked up.
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  Speaker 8: He goes by him by Henry, and he said he
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  Speaker 8: might be living downtown.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, what ever, because that was my sister said she
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  Speaker 12: was staying. So we assumed she was staying with him
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  Speaker 12: because if he moved, she usually moves with him.
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  Speaker 8: So there was an address for Henry that we sent
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  Speaker 8: officers to. The officer went to that Strong Street address
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  Speaker 8: to try to make contact, and he no longer lived
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  Speaker 8: at that address, got.
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  Speaker 9: The hispanic mal live there. I think we got blug move.
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  Speaker 13: He's not the floor at all.
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  Speaker 12: I think he's an entrepreneur, so he has like different
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  Speaker 12: business and travels a lot more.
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  Speaker 14: Hang on one second, let me look at one more thing.
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  Speaker 8: There's something in my gut that tells me that, hey,
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  Speaker 8: there's something not right about this.
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  Speaker 15: We've learned that Henry was on federal probation for some
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  Speaker 15: kind of money fraud charges.
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  Speaker 8: I felt like the top person we need to go
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  Speaker 8: find and talk to is Henry Steiger.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, hello, yes, yes, yes, I just got your message
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  Speaker 1: to call you back.
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  Speaker 9: February first, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, I'm breastfeeding this chuse. So she's one
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  Speaker 1: year old and on her first birthday, I'm leaving and
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  Speaker 1: I'm want you to respect my wishes not to contact me.
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  Speaker 1: And she left at night, and you know she was
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  Speaker 1: going to take a break. Yeah, So I just thought
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  Speaker 1: it was a brave I was just letting time go
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  Speaker 1: by and letting her give her space and letting her
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  Speaker 1: take the time she needs. And we never talked about
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  Speaker 1: what would happen if she never came back.
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  Speaker 15: I don't know of any mother who wants to leave
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  Speaker 15: their child on their first birthday. To me, that is
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  Speaker 15: very strange.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, where was that.
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  Speaker 1: Strong Street be where we lived?
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  Speaker 14: When did you move out?
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  Speaker 1: So the birthday was February first, and that was the
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  Speaker 1: last that I saw her. And on February eighth was
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  Speaker 1: the official beginning date of the new lease for the
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  Speaker 1: house that she picked out for herself and the baby
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  Speaker 1: and me, and she never moved in.
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  Speaker 15: That makes no sense. Why would you pay got a
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  Speaker 15: house but never move in. It's another red flag.
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  Speaker 2: Henry Steiger was definitely considered a person of interest. We
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  Speaker 2: felt like there was something else going on. On February first,
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  Speaker 2: four months before, she made a post in reference to
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  Speaker 2: the baby's birthday and that you know, the baby changed
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  Speaker 2: her life and she was so proud of her and
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  Speaker 2: they were going to have a great birthday party and
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  Speaker 2: just enjoy the day. After that, there were no social
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  Speaker 2: media post, nothing, and then her phone last pinged on
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  Speaker 2: February second.
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  Speaker 15: We felt comfortable at depends call a police department that
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  Speaker 15: we need to move this case from a suspicious person's
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  Speaker 15: case to a missing person case and have Cassandra listed
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  Speaker 15: in the National Database for missing persons.
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  Speaker 2: He answered the door and he has this baby strapped
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  Speaker 2: to him, and he was caught off guard. I want
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  Speaker 2: whoever I'm going to talk to you to be caught
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  Speaker 2: off guard. Let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 10: Sure do you work?
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  Speaker 16: Where do you work at?
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  Speaker 10: I Roast Coffee?
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  Speaker 2: Are you in business with someone or in business by.
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  Speaker 6: Yourself doing that?
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  Speaker 10: I'm in business with someone.
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  Speaker 6: What's his name?
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  Speaker 10: His name is Julian miss It was the right hand man,
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  Speaker 10: my right hand man.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And so Cassandra, where did she work in? What kind
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  Speaker 2: of work did she do?
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  Speaker 14: Well?
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  Speaker 10: She had a luxury of being a stay at home mom.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, tell us about your relationship with.
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  Speaker 3: My relationship with Cassandra is mostly I'm kind of I
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  Speaker 3: love her like a brother, like I take care of her.
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  Speaker 16: At some point you had a relationship, Yeah, you had
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  Speaker 16: a baby, right, Well, we had a physical relationship off
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  Speaker 16: and on.
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  Speaker 2: So so the first year of the baby being born,
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  Speaker 2: she was a pretty good mom.
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  Speaker 10: She oh, she felt like she wasn't a good mom.
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  Speaker 3: So when she left, it was not surprised to me
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  Speaker 3: that she didn't come back for quite a while.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. So she so she tells you
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  Speaker 2: that she's going to leave on the baby's first birthday
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  Speaker 2: after the party. So where does she say she was going.
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  Speaker 3: She's said, on the way out the door, it's none
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  Speaker 3: of your business where I'm going or go, I'll go whatever.
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  Speaker 10: Want to come back. She's her attitude like, don't ask
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  Speaker 10: me to any questions kind of.
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  Speaker 9: So I moved.
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  Speaker 3: I moved into here on February eighth, and I assumed
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  Speaker 3: she'd be back by then to help move. And the
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  Speaker 3: thing is, she asked me to respect her privacy and
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  Speaker 3: respect her wishes.
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  Speaker 10: And to not contact her.
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  Speaker 2: He did nothing to try to get in touch with her.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't call her family. He just from the day
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  Speaker 2: of the birthday party, he moved on, moved into another house.
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  Speaker 2: All of that is not right. What do you think
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  Speaker 2: happened to her?
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  Speaker 9: Where do you think sheift? Do you think she's dead?
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  Speaker 13: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was very, very alarmed about the whole situation. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't seem concerned one bit that she was gone, And
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  Speaker 2: so we were all in by then, we were gonna
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  Speaker 2: find Cassandra.
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  Speaker 4: I found out Cassandra was dating Henry Steiger in two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and thirteen. According to her, she was happy, so
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  Speaker 4: I was happy. But as time went on, I knew
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  Speaker 4: that something's not right. Cassandra not telling me where exactly
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  Speaker 4: she was staying. When I asked her, it was really odd.
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  Speaker 4: She would just say downtown.
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  Speaker 10: She just would tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Henry was very controlling.
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  Speaker 17: She wanted to leave, but she said she was kind
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  Speaker 17: of scared because she didn't know how he would react,
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  Speaker 17: so she just stayed. When my mom told me she
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  Speaker 17: was missing, I knew something was wrong. She wouldn't just
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  Speaker 17: up and leave her baby. She loved her baby too
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  Speaker 17: much to do something like that.
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  Speaker 2: We served the search, weren't on his house in Pretty
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  Speaker 2: do Key and didn't really find anything that would lead
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  Speaker 2: to Cassandra. But in the garage there was a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of cash and it was determined to be like one
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. I'm like, what the hell's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: You know who's got one hundred thousand dollars in their garage.
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  Speaker 2: There was not enough evidence at that time to arrest
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  Speaker 2: him for the disappearance, but he had violated his probation
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  Speaker 2: by having the money and not telling that his probation officer,
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  Speaker 2: so he was taken into custody and taken to the jail.
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  Speaker 18: Once Henry Steiger was arrested, the child was given over
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  Speaker 18: to Cassandra Robinson's family for her well being and to
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  Speaker 18: take care of the child.
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  Speaker 2: He was going where he belonged, But I still did
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  Speaker 2: not know what happened to Cassandra. He did not want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that. He did not want for me
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  Speaker 2: to interview him. He's definitely not gonna tell me where
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  Speaker 2: she's at.
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  Speaker 18: At that point, law enforcement needed to find out more
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  Speaker 18: about Henry Steiger, more about Cassandra, and more about the
• 10:58
  Speaker 18: lifestyles that they lived.
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  Speaker 14: H you, you don't just have to see right there,
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  Speaker 14: They'll be right with you.
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  Speaker 9: Sounds good, feel how you don't check?
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  Speaker 6: I lest sad, coming very so you know why I'm here.
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  Speaker 6: No Cassandra Roberson.
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  Speaker 10: Do you know Cassandra?
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  Speaker 9: I think I met her a couple of times, But.
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  Speaker 13: Do you see no idea.
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  Speaker 2: My first impression of him was that he was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: He was very nervous. If you have nothing to hide,
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  Speaker 2: you're not gonna be that nervous.
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  Speaker 14: You never see so much shape as much as you're
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  Speaker 14: shaking right now.
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  Speaker 19: Mhm h, m hm hm.
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  Speaker 9: We're not here trying to get your trouble or concertos,
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  Speaker 9: trying to find that work. As Sandra way be at,
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  Speaker 9: I understand that.
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  Speaker 6: Did you have anything to do with Cassandra's disappearance?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he was giving himself away just with the nonverbal cues.
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  Speaker 2: We had to find out more information. We felt like
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  Speaker 2: that he was lying.
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  Speaker 6: So when Steiger moved from the beach where you moved, he.
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  Speaker 14: Moved to.
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  Speaker 9: It was like an in between temporary place on Strong Street.
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  Speaker 9: That's where he moved. I helped him move into there.
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  Speaker 6: Who all was living there?
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  Speaker 9: Him and then Cassandra and the baby.
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  Speaker 6: Who moved to the new house.
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  Speaker 9: Uh, just him and the and the kid. Scissandra. Uh,
• 13:01
  Speaker 9: she went on a vacation. I think they had pre
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  Speaker 9: orchestrated a vacation for her on my first is the
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  Speaker 9: kid's birthday?
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  Speaker 6: Alright?
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  Speaker 9: Is it in your mind?
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  Speaker 14: Is it normal for someone to go on vacation performance.
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  Speaker 9: Seriously, I mean it depends.
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  Speaker 14: I think it depends on the dynamic.
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  Speaker 9: Uh, leave her baby.
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  Speaker 6: She was always with that baby.
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  Speaker 20: She was always on social media, stay in contact with
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  Speaker 20: her family.
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  Speaker 6: And now there's nothing, nothing, she's not She's not on
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  Speaker 6: a vacation.
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  Speaker 7: She's not on a vacation, as Tiger says, white white
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  Speaker 7: vacation thing.
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  Speaker 6: And lift her baby.
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  Speaker 13: Oh something happened to her.
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  Speaker 6: There's only one.
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  Speaker 20: Person that relationship with her, and that's Stiger, And so
• 14:05
  Speaker 20: far there's only another person that's in that.
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  Speaker 6: I can find out that's involved with Steiger.
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  Speaker 13: And that's you. I don't want to be involved in this.
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  Speaker 14: I'm not going to do with this. I don't know
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  Speaker 14: what's going on. I just why are you shaking so much?
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  Speaker 6: Are you cold? Are you nervous?
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  Speaker 2: He was flushed, he was sweaty, he was obviously very nervous.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like he was afraid. He was afraid of
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  Speaker 2: what Stiger had gotten him involved in. It was time
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  Speaker 2: now not to be so motherly.
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  Speaker 6: Can you tell me about February first? What was going
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  Speaker 6: on that day?
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  Speaker 14: W went to the DMV and made a deposit. I
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  Speaker 14: dropped him off.
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  Speaker 16: So did you when you dropped him off?
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  Speaker 14: Did you go and find him?
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  Speaker 9: I ask you directly this que go ahead. Did you
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  Speaker 9: you kill Cassandra? No? Did Henry tell you if he
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  Speaker 9: killed her?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 9: Did Henry tell you exactly where she's at?
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  Speaker 13: No?
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  Speaker 14: He just said she was on vacation.
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  Speaker 9: Don't I think you'll like I don't think you're being
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  Speaker 9: completely honest with us. I will keep digging until I
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  Speaker 9: find it. I'm feeling like I.
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  Speaker 14: Need a lawyer right now.
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna get somebody take it downstairs. Do you remember
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: my name? Lisa, Chad? Can you talk to me?
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  Speaker 5: Tell me?
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  Speaker 13: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: At that time, we didn't have enough to hold him,
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  Speaker 2: and so we let him go.
• 15:49
  Speaker 13: All right, to take the peasant?
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  Speaker 6: Can take you down? Do you swear everything you told
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  Speaker 6: us is a true? Okay? Take care.
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  Speaker 2: We felt like he knew more than what he had
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  Speaker 2: really and I was gonna find out the truth. Steiger
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  Speaker 2: had a friend named Shelby. He answered our questions and
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  Speaker 2: he said Steiger brought his trailer and parked it at
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  Speaker 2: my house.
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  Speaker 15: He goes on to say that it's in the middle
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  Speaker 15: of his honeybee farm and that we're more than welcome
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  Speaker 15: to go out there and check it anytime we want.
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  Speaker 2: So we get a search warrant for the trailer.
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  Speaker 15: Lisa and I go out to the area of town
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  Speaker 15: that he told us that the trailer was at, and
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  Speaker 15: indeed it is in the middle of a honeybee farm.
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  Speaker 2: We saw Steiger's trailer and it was backed into the bushes.
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  Speaker 15: Lisa gets out of the car. She is working her
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  Speaker 15: way around the trailer.
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  Speaker 2: As I'm walking around, I smelled what I know to
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  Speaker 2: be decomposition of a human body. We opened the trailer
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  Speaker 2: up and there was two green fifty five gallon drums.
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  Speaker 2: The first drum, the crime scene officers opened it up
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  Speaker 2: and there was nothing in there. The second drum they
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  Speaker 2: had to get tools get it open, and when they did,
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  Speaker 2: it was Cassandra's body in the drum. It was a
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  Speaker 2: very sad moment to me.
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  Speaker 4: They told me that they found my sister Cassandra's body
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  Speaker 4: in a trum.
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  Speaker 14: It was terrible, like like she was garbage.
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  Speaker 19: W I was someone to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: The Medical Examiner's office determined that the death of Cassandra
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  Speaker 2: was a homicide, but it was undetermined exactly how she
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  Speaker 2: died because of the decomposition of the body. She had
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: been there a long time and it was a hot summer.
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  Speaker 2: She was dressed in clothes to go out to leave.
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  Speaker 2: We had seen pictures of her at the birthday party
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  Speaker 2: she had with Steiger and the baby, and she got
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: on like a little nightgown so I knew that between
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that time she got dressed and was probably leaving with
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: the baby.
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  Speaker 15: Our next step is, okay, we need to go confront
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  Speaker 15: Henry with this.
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  Speaker 5: Stand up for me.
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  Speaker 6: Turnround.
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  Speaker 14: I'm gonna take you off when we talk and make
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  Speaker 14: you a little more comfortable. Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: He looked tired, he looked worried, and he said he
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: was willing to talk. He didn't know that we had
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: found her body, and I wasn't gonna tell him at
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that time. I did want him to feel comfortable. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: wanted him to feel like he could freely discuss things
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  Speaker 2: with me.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: How you doing well?
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: Not so great?
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  Speaker 13: You think you guys know about though?
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  Speaker 6: You got gags under your eyes. You're sleeping?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, in one week's time, I lost my business.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: I lost the coffee fund that I draw from to
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: drive that business I lost. I guess you have my
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: car now too. My child is separated from me, which
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  Speaker 5: is the worst thing. And you know I can't pay
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: the rent, so I'm losing the house. You've destroyed my
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: life as a matter of not not maybe on purpose,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: right right, but effectively and practically speaking, you have disassembled
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  Speaker 5: everything that I've been working for I have.
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  Speaker 13: I'm broken, I feel like giving up, and maybe that's
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: your goal and maybe.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's I don't say that disrespectful, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: So when you shroud your eyes, I'm just saying that
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: that's maybe your job and that's your toolkit, and maybe
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: that's what you're supposed to do. And I also know
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: that whenever there is a significant other, he's the number
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  Speaker 5: one suspect.
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  Speaker 13: I get that, okay, And so you have to start
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: right and so I understand that part.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: I can tell you this. I haven't used any trickery
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  Speaker 6: with you. I haven't lied to you.
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  Speaker 20: Everything I've told you I've been upfront about and everything
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  Speaker 20: you told me I have verified.
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  Speaker 6: We totally you know, understand the stress that you've been going.
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  Speaker 13: Through it you know, and it mean it's hard.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: When I went in the interview, I tried to make
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: him a little maybe at ease and act like that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I really cared.
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: My big kind of got.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Closed when the FBI was probing around my twelve years
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: or anything I do is logical.
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: I'm a very deliberate person.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: I also have an opportunity to be a honey sharecroppers.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: You said while ago that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 13: She loved you, right for sure?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: For sure?
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Did you love her?
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: I do, but not in the same way, more like
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: a caretaker.
• 21:58
  Speaker 20: After you found out you were the father, things kind
• 22:00
  Speaker 20: of changed a little bit.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Right you know?
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: Yeah, didn't because I was playing the role.
• 22:06
  Speaker 21: Gotch.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Did she ever use that against you?
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: Say?
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: You know, you know, you mean, I'm gonna take this.
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: She used that against me before she knew it was mine,
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: before I her what's mine? She did that all long, Right?
• 22:17
  Speaker 20: Did it ever make you nervous when she would stay
• 22:19
  Speaker 20: that kind of stuff, that she was gonna actually do
• 22:23
  Speaker 20: it her whole life?
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: Made me nervous. Yeah, She's not a controllable person. Right.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: When she said that she was gonna go on her vacation,
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: did she say she was gonna take the baby with her?
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: No, that she needed a vacation from the schedule.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I gotcha, And you were like, okay, we was not
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: gonna take the baby.
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: I'm cool.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: MM.
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: I wasn't like that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: It was like I was sympathetic to her reason for
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: wanting to go, which was the schedule. The schedule was
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: driving her nuts.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Okay, right, Mm. We've been doing a lot of investigating
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: since we talked. We've done a lot of search warrants.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: At that point, I do deliberately lowered my voice because
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: if you were talking low and slow, then he's got
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to listen to me. It was time to move in
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and for him to be honest and tell me what happened.
• 23:15
  Speaker 22: So I, myself and Chad two days ago brought mister
• 23:20
  Speaker 22: Johnson uh Shelby and he explained you know that he
• 23:24
  Speaker 22: had originally met you, I think through making honey.
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: And he said that you had a trailer on his property.
• 23:35
  Speaker 16: So I went over to the trailer yesterday and took
• 23:39
  Speaker 16: some pictures out.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: It didn't wanna show it to you, see.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Is that is that?
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: It?
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: That your trailer?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: How long have you had it?
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: Few years?
• 23:55
  Speaker 19: Few years?
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: So we went, I worked and we looked at it
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: and and I detected it in the odor in order
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: that I recognized very well for doing this job. And
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: it's the odor of decomposition from human body. Kay. So
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: that immediately put my head to standing.
• 24:21
  Speaker 20: Kay.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: So we got a search warrant for it and the keys,
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: the keys for these locks. Do you know where those
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: keys were at? The keys were at your house. So
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: we got the search warrant and we well the trailer
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: out and we'd open up the door.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: These containers were here. Do you recognize these containers? So
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: something happened. I I don't.
• 24:51
  Speaker 23: I don't want my mind to be spending and everybody
• 24:54
  Speaker 23: else's mind to be spending.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I just need to know why.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: But and I need to know from you. Something happened,
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: something happened. I don't know. I don't know what happened,
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: but I know.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: In my heart I don't think it was a plan
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in on purposely because you love your.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: Baby and I don't think you would do anything to
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: harm her.
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: Or harm her mother.
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: Of course, Well.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: It is a story that I don't think anyone would believe.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: And that's my problem.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: This is, this is a heavy heavy load for you
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: to be having to deal with. I can't imagine what
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: you've been going through, the stress that you've been under.
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: No, not about that the one I met him. No,
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: I mean, I'm had, I'm at peace with with what occurred.
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: So I had I.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Understand it, what happened. I'm not, I mean I not,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: I'm not happy about it, but I'm I understand it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: So I don't don't think I can get anyone else
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: to understand it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: So I haven't.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I haven't explained it to anyone. I haven't shared it
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: with anyone. I don't know how to tell this story,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: or I would have told it. I would have told
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: it that night if I'd known how to tell it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I just assumed that it would look like something I
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: was re responsible.
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: For, and there was no way out of it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: His eyes did begin to water. That's the only time
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: he had really ever been emotional, and I thought, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I hoped that he was gonna let go and let
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and let let the water out of the dam. I
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: can't help you, and.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: I c I can't help to tell your story if
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: Here was so that I could.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Understand, so I didn't have to go by this evidence.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: You know that this evidence didn't speak.
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: For you, that you could speak for your eed to
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: this evidence. Yeah, well, what do like the boy now
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: that you are asking to explain?
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: How how.
• 27:38
  Speaker 23: Cause Sondra wound up in this beryl sealed in your
• 27:43
  Speaker 23: friend Hart and Shelby's property.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: This, This is the way she was found.
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: So this is what I have to do on.
• 28:13
  Speaker 20: So this is the.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: Evidence I have to explain. This is the evidence that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: Only thing I have to go on.
• 28:27
  Speaker 23: I understand, you know, I don't wanna believe that you're
• 28:31
  Speaker 23: a monster. I wanna believe you're a good person and
• 28:35
  Speaker 23: that you're gonna be you know, you're you're a good dad.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: That's what I was believing.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Thank you, that you're not leaving me any other choice
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: that to leave to believe this is a bad.
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: Thing and a monster.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: Didn't that hm, And I don't wanna believe that. That's
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: when I just an opportunity to.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Tell me, well, do you think I need the opportunity
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: to explain to you with professional assistance.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I did realize that he's speaking about an attorney, and
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to jeopardize what I already had, so
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I wasn't going to ask him any more questions after that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: Oh, I was just starting, thank you.
• 29:34
  Speaker 18: And these records painted a different story than what Julian
• 29:37
  Speaker 18: Majour had originally told law enforcement.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: Dropped him off?
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: When you dropped him off? Did you go finde?
• 29:46
  Speaker 18: They showed where he did not just drop off mister
• 29:48
  Speaker 18: Stiger and go home, but that he came back that
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: same night.
• 29:52
  Speaker 15: Why did he come back? Did he come back to
• 29:55
  Speaker 15: help Henry commit a murder? Did he come back to
• 29:59
  Speaker 15: help Henry disposed of the body. There was several unanswered
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: questions that needed to be answered.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: When we interviewed Julian, I just did not have the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: energy or the patience to try to dig it out
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: of him.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: This is it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: You need to tell me what you know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 23: My goal today is to get the details of Cassandra's death.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: The last time you and I talked, we could obviously
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: tell that you were holding back in some things. You
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: were saying that you weren't being honest.
• 30:45
  Speaker 23: I've talked to Starger, since I've talked to you, since
• 30:50
  Speaker 23: we found Cassandra's body.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: What do you think Starter told me about her death?
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: You think.
• 31:07
  Speaker 14: That's sure? I want to answer that question.
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: So what I would like to.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: Start with is February first, And you remember February first?
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: Can we run through that?
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: About what time you picked Starter up?
• 31:33
  Speaker 21: I want to say it was like around two, Okay.
• 31:38
  Speaker 21: We went to the DMV on W Street. We went
• 31:42
  Speaker 21: to the Wells Fargo, We went to a sandwich shop,
• 31:47
  Speaker 21: and then we went.
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: Back to the house.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Do you know about what time it was?
• 31:50
  Speaker 14: Then five five thirty somewhere around there. I dropped him
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: off and went home.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Okay, then what did you do?
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: Then? What did I do?
• 31:59
  Speaker 14: I got a call from cider?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Do you know about what time?
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: That was?
• 32:03
  Speaker 14: All right?
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: And so you got a call and was it a
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: phone call or text message?
• 32:10
  Speaker 19: Phone call?
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: I ignored it, text message please call?
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: Phone call?
• 32:16
  Speaker 16: I think.
• 32:16
  Speaker 21: I called back said hey, can you please come back
• 32:21
  Speaker 21: here real quick? So before I got home, our last conversation.
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: In the car was that he needed a laptop that
• 32:32
  Speaker 14: I had at that time, So that's what I went
• 32:35
  Speaker 14: to go bring him.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: All right, Then what happened?
• 32:39
  Speaker 14: Well I went in the house and he's holding the
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: baby and he was in a bit of a nervous mode.
• 32:48
  Speaker 21: Hyped up, not kind of hyped up, he was just
• 32:51
  Speaker 21: kind of like freaked out kind of thing. And he
• 32:58
  Speaker 21: said that she left. She'd taken off and left the baby,
• 33:02
  Speaker 21: and he was freaked out because he didn't know how
• 33:03
  Speaker 21: to how to raise the baby.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Did you ask him, well, where did she go?
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: He says, she's gone. Did she went on vacation?
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Alright? And then what happened after after he was nervous and.
• 33:17
  Speaker 21: Saying that she left, he said that we needed to
• 33:20
  Speaker 21: start moving because his move was on the eighth.
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: It was the first, and he said, we.
• 33:26
  Speaker 21: Need to get the stuff moved. We've gotta get some
• 33:28
  Speaker 21: stuff in storage. We gotta take some stuff to the trailer.
• 33:31
  Speaker 21: We gotta get the stunt.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: And did you think that was kind of odd that
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: he all of a sudden wanted to do this and
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: kind of late in the night.
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: Yeah, everything was packed up just like rubber Maid containers.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: Classic.
• 33:45
  Speaker 14: Yeah, like a classic box like it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: Has a lid that goes.
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: Down on it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: R right, Okay, how many boxses do you think?
• 33:51
  Speaker 19: They were?
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: Maybe five?
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: So were they heavy?
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: Some of them were a couple of 'em.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: And he didn't say what was in him.
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: We went to the storage unit, dropped off a couple
• 34:05
  Speaker 14: of boxes at the storage unit. After we went back
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: to the house. I ended up saying the night there,
• 34:12
  Speaker 14: slept on the couch. I was exhausted.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Did it appear that there had a struggle.
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: No, nothing was.
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: Off right.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Okay, and the baby stayed with you guys threw all
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: that going and dropping the truck off.
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: He was definitely more forthcoming than he had been, but
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: he was not telling the full truth. I knew that
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I felt that it was time for him to see
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: what I have I'm gonna show him my hand.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think that you are being completely honest with me.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: I'm not satisfied with half the truth. I care about
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: this girl.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I care about this girl I care about I care
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: about the fact that she is the mother of this baby.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: That that's what I care about. I care about that
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: I found her dead body in a barrel, rotting in
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: a trade. That's what I care about.
• 35:24
  Speaker 23: It's very horrible, horrible, horrible dream.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And you were a part of it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: There's your dead body in the trailers. Why don't you
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: want to see it? Why don't you want to see it?
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: Under seeing that body that they don't want to do?
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Well, tell us what happened that night.
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: I thought this may have been the best chance we
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: had up to this point to potentially break him, to
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: get him to tell us what happened.
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: Can you move the picture of the techno of your way?
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: Tell us what happened.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: You're gonna feel a whole lot better.
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: When you do.
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: It's not that I don't feel good. I didn't have
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: anything to do with her death, had nothing to do
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: with it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: What happened to her? He did it?
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: What did he tell you.
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: That night?
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: When you went over there, What do you tell you?
• 36:43
  Speaker 21: Said that she was frantically packing and she was grabbing
• 36:48
  Speaker 21: all her stuff and she was telling him she's gonna leave,
• 36:55
  Speaker 21: grabbing the baby, and he said he strangled her.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: He just said she did. You can fight back.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: What were you feeling when he said that?
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: Complete shock?
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: What were you thinking?
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: You?
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: What do you had? What do you say after shed
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 14: Emotioned?
• 37:28
  Speaker 19: His hands were trembling as he checked the pulse. I
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: just told her to stop talking.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: What do you say when he checked her bolts?
• 37:38
  Speaker 19: Just that his hands were shaking.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: He said his hand was shaking.
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: He said, what the baby was?
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: I really don't wanna answer that question.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: You need to answer it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: She holding the baby?
• 37:53
  Speaker 19: He told me that she was holding her and she
• 37:56
  Speaker 19: kind of collapsed. The baby slid down her.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Did he say what he did? Then? Did he try
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: to get her help, try a reviver her?
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: Didn't say anything? Or do you think her body was
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: somewhere in the rest of the house.
• 38:14
  Speaker 19: He tried to get me to help him dispose of
• 38:16
  Speaker 19: the body.
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: I wouldn't do it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: Did he tell you where he could.
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: Her well and never passed?
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I don't wanna know. Did you ever think that you
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: needed to call the police.
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: Was a bit afraid to call the police?
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: When was that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: Just killed the mother of his child? What's the guy
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: that drives him around?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Julian was afraid that Henry was gonna hurt his family.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, he already knew what he was capable of,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: and he was scared. You know, he was a kid, right,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: seem to look at her like I want to go
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to prison.
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: That was my sin body I've never I don't know.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Is there anything else that you have not told me
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that I have not asked or I did ask that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: you weren't honest that.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: I need to know?
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: No, nothing I know of.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: In the end, Julian told the truth. Stiger was upset
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: because she was going to leave him, and that fueled
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: his flame and made him so angry that he killed her.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: All right, see right.
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: Julian Masuur was charged with accessory after the fact to
• 39:41
  Speaker 18: second degree murder of Cassandra Robinson. Mister Masur's charges were
• 39:46
  Speaker 18: based on his actions in helping mister Stiger try to
• 39:49
  Speaker 18: get away with Miss Robinson's murder.
• 39:52
  Speaker 15: So we were able to get the rest warrant for
• 39:55
  Speaker 15: Henry for the murder. We get to tell him you're
• 39:59
  Speaker 15: being arrested in Charle with the murder of Cassandra. It
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: is for me one of the happiest moments of the case.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It was really to me that I could now give
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the family the information that yes, he did kill her.
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: He swearing on the truth, poetry on the truth over
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: got her right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 21: Thank you.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I've got the baby in the front and I'm cleaning
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: up the kitchen and the cake, and then I go
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: back to look for her. I go to the laundry
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: room and I push open the door and she's lying
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: sideways on the floor against the door, and she is
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: got a plastic bag over her, over her face, over
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: her whole head. Her pulse is either thready or non existent.
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: He didn't do any compressions. You thought about it, but
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: you didn't do it. I did not do the compression,
• 41:04
  Speaker 13: didn't call nine one one.
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: Just let her be right.
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: That's right, all the police, all the police.
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: My baby's mother just killed herself.
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: I walked in here as tragic, Please come here.
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: That's not what he does.
• 41:22
  Speaker 13: That's not what he does, because that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: Story didn't happen.
• 41:28
  Speaker 13: That story is not in line.
• 41:31
  Speaker 14: With the evidence.
• 41:34
  Speaker 18: Ultimately, the jury found mister Stiger, guilty of second degree
• 41:37
  Speaker 18: murder is charged.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Henry Steiger will never get out of jail, and that's
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: exactly where he needs to be.
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: He was talking about how it happened so quickly. He
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: said that she did even like that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 18: Ultimately, Julian Mosoeur was sentenced to fifteen years of probation
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: and as a condition of that he had to serve
• 42:08
  Speaker 18: two years in the county jail.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Here locally, Julian was taking advantage of by Steiger. He
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: should have done the right thing, and the right thing
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: would have been to that day called the police. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: just missed my sister.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I feel like the world also a really good person,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: a good mother.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: This one was one that really hurt my heart. The tragedy.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Here is the baby. The baby now doesn't have her
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: beautiful mother, and she doesn't have a father.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: My aunt is taken care of her, my niece. She's
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: doing good.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: She looks like her.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: I see her, I see younger Cassandra in her